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October 3, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Bad Demographics – End of Support

Via a Responsible Statecraft piece I came onto a EU study that tried to predict the future demographics of Ukraine's population.

The War and the Future of Ukraine’s Population

The study is from early 2022 and is based on Ukrainian casualty numbers from only the very first month of the war. Their worst case scenario was this:

Our third and fourth scenarios assume that the war will continue for a month or longer so that further casualties and refugees are expected. We assume the following casualties: 5,000 deaths among soldiers and 1,500 civilian deaths based on the current trends. There will be 5 million refugees, which is an estimate by UNHCR (UNHCR 2022a)

The real refugee numbers are twice as high and the casualty numbers, wounded and dead, are of course about 100 times higher than the study assumed. It was thus not worth the money that had been spend on it.

Still, some graphs in it are usable.

Yesterday I shortly discussed the op-ed by the former British Minister of Defense Ben Wallace in which he asserts:

The average age of the soldiers at the front is over 40.

He then urges the Ukrainian government to throw more young men into the meat grinder.

My response to Wallace was this:

The young Ukrainians are gone. They either have fled from Ukraine or are wounded, disabled or died. You can not mobilize what is no longer there.

Unfortunately the real situation is worse then I had thought. The EU demographic study included this graph:

Ukraine’s population by age and sex in 2020

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The 'age pyramid' in Ukraine isn't a pyramid. In 2020 there was a huge lack of 15 to 20 years old people. They were simply not there. They never existed. The number of newborns around 2000 must have been horribly low.

The reason for that was likely the serious downturn of Ukraine's economy after it had separated itself from the Soviet Union.


Ukraine’s GDP(PPP)

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It took a decade long severe recession for Ukraine to find a bottom for its economy. Bad economic times and low expectations of betterment had influenced the desire of its people to procreate. Two more downturns followed during the global recession around 2008 and due to the 2014 Maidan coup and the civil war following it.

Thus when the war started there were only half as many people of 20 year age than 40 year old ones. It is no wonder then that few of younger age are seen at the front line.

There is still one measure Ukraine might take to increase the numbers of young soldiers. There currently are exemptions from mobilization for those who study at a university. If Ukraine would draft these if could probably find a few ten-thousand additional soldiers. But it would also strip itself of its future elite.

The already bad demographic prediction some 20 years out would then look even worse than they currently do.

Early this year Ukraine's birthrate had hit a new low:

To keep a population steady, research shows it's necessary to have an average of about 2.1 babies per family — known as a replacement rate. In Ukraine, fertility rates have remained under that threshold since 1990. Over the last two decades, the rate has often dropped below what experts call a "very low" fertility rate of 1.3, when a population begins to shrink at an ever increasing rate. In January 2021, a year before Russia's full-scale invasion, the fertility rate was 1.16, according to national statistics.

The birthrate has since dropped further and is now the lowest one in the world:

Birthrates in Ukraine have fallen by 28% in the first half of 2023, compared to the same period prior to the war, marking the most significant drop since Ukraine gained its independence in 1991, The Wall Street Journal reported on Sept. 25.

Due to the ongoing war, millions of Ukrainian women with children were forced to leave the country, while men aged 18 to 60 were prohibited from leaving. As a result, many couples were physically separated, while others delayed starting families, the report says.

In the first half of 2023, there were 96,755 children born in Ukraine. Since 2013, the country's fertility rate has been dropping by approximately 7% per year.

The population of Ukraine will shrink further. In 1990 Ukraine had a population of more than 50 million people. Twenty years from now the country will have less than maybe 25 million inhabitants. This even if all refugees return. A large if that this is unlikely to happen.

Support for Ukraine is shrinking:

As Russia has become more bloodyminded, Ukraine’s allies seem caught in their own conflicting boundary conditions. There is no willingness to mobilize to defend Ukraine. There isn’t even a serious effort to ramp up military production to an adequate level to match, let alone surpass, Russia’s output.

And that’s before getting to the fact that Ukraine as a county has become a very costly ward of all its backers.

Yesterday a meeting of the EU's foreign ministers on further military assistance for Ukraine ended without results (machine translation):

The foreign ministers of the EU countries at today's summit in Kiev could not agree on the allocation of military assistance to Ukraine in the amount of 5 billion euros for 2024.

This was announced at a press conference following the event by EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrel.

The EU's budget for 2023 was €168.6 billion. €5 billion are peanuts but the EU countries could not unite over it. The senseless generosity has reached the end of the possible.

Borrel predicted the inevitable outcome:

Earlier, EU Foreign Policy Chief Josep Borrel said that the cessation of military support for Kiev from the West will lead to a quick end to the conflict in Ukraine, but as a result, the country will lose its independence.

A quick end to the conflict is what all sane people should hope for.

Look at the demographics and economics above and ask yourself what 30 years of 'independence' have done for Ukraine.

To end it could well be the best that could ever happen to it. Unfortunately for it Russia is unlikely to step in and to subsidize its further existence.

Comments

@sumant 199:
Elensky is a Jew only when it suits him to be, like Yatsenyuk before him. He’s also totally dependent on the nazis to stay in power and he knows it. By and large the nazi formations have been kept away from being wiped out in the meat grinders (the only major battle they’ve taken part in was Azov in Mariupol). If anything Elensky is protecting the nazis from destruction in return for them keeping him in power where he can steal as much as he wants.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 4 2023 4:07 utc | 401

@sumant 199:
Elensky is a Jew only when it suits him to be, like Yatsenyuk before him. He’s also totally dependent on the nazis to stay in power and he knows it. By and large the nazi formations have been kept away from being wiped out in the meat grinders (the only major battle they’ve taken part in was Azov in Mariupol). If anything Elensky is protecting the nazis from destruction in return for them keeping him in power where he can steal as much as he wants.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 4 2023 4:07 utc | 402

Then by a strange twist of fate he is in a position to foresee a path that can destroy these people for good.
Posted by: sumant | Oct 4 2023 3:52 utc | 199

Using Lenin’s National Socialism. 🙂

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 4 2023 4:10 utc | 403

Then by a strange twist of fate he is in a position to foresee a path that can destroy these people for good.
Posted by: sumant | Oct 4 2023 3:52 utc | 199

Using Lenin’s National Socialism. 🙂

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 4 2023 4:10 utc | 404

https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/10/03/are-the-talk-shows-on-russian-state-television-just-yes-men-to-power-are-the-duma-parties-other-than-the-governing-party-united-russia-just-poodles-that-never-bark-much-less-bite/
Gilbert Doctorow on the Russian economy, Putin’s liberal economics, and the non liberal opposition to Putin’s liberal economics.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 4 2023 4:34 utc | 405

https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/10/03/are-the-talk-shows-on-russian-state-television-just-yes-men-to-power-are-the-duma-parties-other-than-the-governing-party-united-russia-just-poodles-that-never-bark-much-less-bite/
Gilbert Doctorow on the Russian economy, Putin’s liberal economics, and the non liberal opposition to Putin’s liberal economics.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 4 2023 4:34 utc | 406

(36)

On occasion of this thread’s discussion: One cannot appreciate enough China’s one-child policy (meanwhile abandoned, did its job).

China’s “one child policy” in the 1970’s was a condition “The Club of Rome” (similar to WEF) forced the PRC to implement if China was to participate in the World economy. The Malthusian Western Empire doesn’t expose it’s treachery to the common man.
All this talk about overpopulation is simply false. We are “told” there is less than 8 Billion people on Earth (if you trust Government statistics) and there is an overpopulation crisis. The size of the USA (land only) is 3,531,904 square miles.
Divide the land area of the USA with # of people in the World and we get 0.00044 square miles per person which is roughly 12,266 feet per person. Without building skyscrapers or underground dwellings, every family of 5 has half a football field of living space while the rest of the World is completely empty; devoid of humans. You really think there is a population problem?
Human ingenuity and creativity can and will solve all problems if given a chance. Politics and special interests groups (i.e. Club of Rome, Eugenics Society,WEF etc..) are the barriers of mankind. Nuclear energy is just one of many human discoveries that are superior to past discoveries. The fission of 1 g of uranium or plutonium per day liberates about 1 MW. This is the energy equivalent of 3 tons of coal or about 600 gallons of fuel oil per day.
Believing we live have limits to growth is “willful” ignorance:
https://cynthiachung.substack.com/p/what-determines-a-limit-to-growth?utm_source=url

Posted by: Ron | Oct 4 2023 5:11 utc | 407

(36)

On occasion of this thread’s discussion: One cannot appreciate enough China’s one-child policy (meanwhile abandoned, did its job).

China’s “one child policy” in the 1970’s was a condition “The Club of Rome” (similar to WEF) forced the PRC to implement if China was to participate in the World economy. The Malthusian Western Empire doesn’t expose it’s treachery to the common man.
All this talk about overpopulation is simply false. We are “told” there is less than 8 Billion people on Earth (if you trust Government statistics) and there is an overpopulation crisis. The size of the USA (land only) is 3,531,904 square miles.
Divide the land area of the USA with # of people in the World and we get 0.00044 square miles per person which is roughly 12,266 feet per person. Without building skyscrapers or underground dwellings, every family of 5 has half a football field of living space while the rest of the World is completely empty; devoid of humans. You really think there is a population problem?
Human ingenuity and creativity can and will solve all problems if given a chance. Politics and special interests groups (i.e. Club of Rome, Eugenics Society,WEF etc..) are the barriers of mankind. Nuclear energy is just one of many human discoveries that are superior to past discoveries. The fission of 1 g of uranium or plutonium per day liberates about 1 MW. This is the energy equivalent of 3 tons of coal or about 600 gallons of fuel oil per day.
Believing we live have limits to growth is “willful” ignorance:
https://cynthiachung.substack.com/p/what-determines-a-limit-to-growth?utm_source=url

Posted by: Ron | Oct 4 2023 5:11 utc | 408

Posted by: OttoE | Oct 3 2023 18:51 utc | 105
“The evidence, both anecdotal and empirical, clearly identifies that higher CO2 concentrations have an adverse effect on employee well-being and productivity.”
Opening the windows might help, Otto.

Posted by: Panza | Oct 4 2023 5:18 utc | 409

Posted by: OttoE | Oct 3 2023 18:51 utc | 105
“The evidence, both anecdotal and empirical, clearly identifies that higher CO2 concentrations have an adverse effect on employee well-being and productivity.”
Opening the windows might help, Otto.

Posted by: Panza | Oct 4 2023 5:18 utc | 410

It’s almost like this whole war was just a way to free up a bunch of Ukrainian shiksas.

Posted by: Sentient | Oct 4 2023 5:27 utc | 411

It’s almost like this whole war was just a way to free up a bunch of Ukrainian shiksas.

Posted by: Sentient | Oct 4 2023 5:27 utc | 412

There’s no one left to round up and send to certain death, NATO can’t afford to spare more equipment and ammunition. Money is running low. The “cope” narratives are making the “Garden” a laughingstock. RoW or Global South has not only refused to submit but turned their backs to the Collective West.
Iraq was bad, Afghanistan was worse, but this……..,is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Russia has destroyed NATO’s biggest army with 1 hand tied behind it’s back and blindfolded. Not once or twice, but thrice.
There’s a sense of frantic desperation from both NATO and the EU countries. Fractures are appearing, people are voting current regimes out, the US is hair trigger away from a civil war.
“But, but what about inroads to Russia’s backyard? Armenia? The central Stans? Moldova?” asks the slow witted and those at the back of class.
When the West is humiliated completely, those sitting on the fence will jump.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 4 2023 5:48 utc | 413

There’s no one left to round up and send to certain death, NATO can’t afford to spare more equipment and ammunition. Money is running low. The “cope” narratives are making the “Garden” a laughingstock. RoW or Global South has not only refused to submit but turned their backs to the Collective West.
Iraq was bad, Afghanistan was worse, but this……..,is the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Russia has destroyed NATO’s biggest army with 1 hand tied behind it’s back and blindfolded. Not once or twice, but thrice.
There’s a sense of frantic desperation from both NATO and the EU countries. Fractures are appearing, people are voting current regimes out, the US is hair trigger away from a civil war.
“But, but what about inroads to Russia’s backyard? Armenia? The central Stans? Moldova?” asks the slow witted and those at the back of class.
When the West is humiliated completely, those sitting on the fence will jump.

Posted by: Suresh | Oct 4 2023 5:48 utc | 414

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 3 2023 14:45 utc | 21
Possible reason for drop in birth rate in Poland and other countries – the mRNA vax has been blamed for declining births due to negative impact on women’s fertility, births etc. there is also an excess death rate of 10-15% in highly vaxxed countries. These numbers are available from some health departments.

Posted by: Inki | Oct 4 2023 5:54 utc | 415

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 3 2023 14:45 utc | 21
Possible reason for drop in birth rate in Poland and other countries – the mRNA vax has been blamed for declining births due to negative impact on women’s fertility, births etc. there is also an excess death rate of 10-15% in highly vaxxed countries. These numbers are available from some health departments.

Posted by: Inki | Oct 4 2023 5:54 utc | 416

Lenin fundamentally changed Marxism with his New Economic Plan in order to allow USSR to recover from the First Great Russian Famine that had been caused by the implementation of Marxism. It was successful. When Lenin died, Stalin became the new Victor. He chose to return USSR to strict Marxism, creating the Second Russian Great Famine. He apparently was satisfied with the result, because he stuck with Marxism and worked to erase the history of NEP.
Posted by: barstool | Oct 4 2023 3:32 utc | 198
I never seen someone so shit all stupid as you, barstool. Read a book or something.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 4 2023 5:57 utc | 417

Lenin fundamentally changed Marxism with his New Economic Plan in order to allow USSR to recover from the First Great Russian Famine that had been caused by the implementation of Marxism. It was successful. When Lenin died, Stalin became the new Victor. He chose to return USSR to strict Marxism, creating the Second Russian Great Famine. He apparently was satisfied with the result, because he stuck with Marxism and worked to erase the history of NEP.
Posted by: barstool | Oct 4 2023 3:32 utc | 198
I never seen someone so shit all stupid as you, barstool. Read a book or something.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 4 2023 5:57 utc | 418

Ron #203
And yet, anywhere people are actually given a chance to develop, educate, and work, they choose to have fewer and fewer children. I suggest we consider adjusting our minds to this inevitable future.

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 4 2023 6:21 utc | 419

Ron #203
And yet, anywhere people are actually given a chance to develop, educate, and work, they choose to have fewer and fewer children. I suggest we consider adjusting our minds to this inevitable future.

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 4 2023 6:21 utc | 420

Posted by: barstool | Oct 3 2023 20:56 utc | 141
Yikes! Just when it you think it can’t get any worse. Just found this excretion.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 4 2023 6:22 utc | 421

Posted by: barstool | Oct 3 2023 20:56 utc | 141
Yikes! Just when it you think it can’t get any worse. Just found this excretion.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 4 2023 6:22 utc | 422

Putin has helped raise the birth rate in the last decade. Part of it is to make conditions where it is enjoyable to raise a child. It seems the West has forgotten this. Helicopter parenting is normal, having a child wander could get the cops, and family support is harder to get. We’re in a narcissistic society and this does not create people who want to give and give to children.
In Russia they’re more emphasizing family values, church, etc. There’s some good coming of that, and I’m not religious at all.

Posted by: Matthew | Oct 4 2023 6:22 utc | 423

Putin has helped raise the birth rate in the last decade. Part of it is to make conditions where it is enjoyable to raise a child. It seems the West has forgotten this. Helicopter parenting is normal, having a child wander could get the cops, and family support is harder to get. We’re in a narcissistic society and this does not create people who want to give and give to children.
In Russia they’re more emphasizing family values, church, etc. There’s some good coming of that, and I’m not religious at all.

Posted by: Matthew | Oct 4 2023 6:22 utc | 424

Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President is confident in the presidential ambitions of Zaluzhny, who refused to join Zelensky’s new political force.
Bankova is confident that the Commander-in-Chief is coordinating his actions with the Americans, which is why he did not want to publicly declare his renunciation of political ambitions.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19927

Colleagues, you are right that Zaluzhny retains interests in his personal political game/participation in elections.
All Western analysts are confident that the future president could be a man from the “army”, in simple words a military man.
That is why Zelensky devotes 90% to the military case, and only 10% to other government affairs. Ze also tried to privatize the “hero” message behind him, and everyone else is an “ant system” that works for him and his image.
Everyone knows that the West wants to change Zelensky. It’s not for nothing that topics about corruption in Ukraine are published en masse in the foreign press, which directly damage Ze’s image. These are puzzles of one big picture.
Situationally, Zaluzhny has withdrawn from publicity, but according to our data, the behind-the-scenes game continues. For example, political strategists are working on Zaluzhny’s image among the masses, but office workers, on the contrary, are trying to lower his rating.
It was not for nothing that an article was published on the BBC website that allegedly Zaluzhny was guilty of surrendering the south (Kherson/Zaporozhye region). This public method is used to remove a possible competitor.
Ze invited Zaluzhny to join his new party, but has not yet received an answer.
It is worth recalling that Ermak always dumps those who tried to play their game and always leaves obedient puppets (such as Shmygal) in the game.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16388

Posted by: Down South | Oct 4 2023 6:45 utc | 425

Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President is confident in the presidential ambitions of Zaluzhny, who refused to join Zelensky’s new political force.
Bankova is confident that the Commander-in-Chief is coordinating his actions with the Americans, which is why he did not want to publicly declare his renunciation of political ambitions.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19927

Colleagues, you are right that Zaluzhny retains interests in his personal political game/participation in elections.
All Western analysts are confident that the future president could be a man from the “army”, in simple words a military man.
That is why Zelensky devotes 90% to the military case, and only 10% to other government affairs. Ze also tried to privatize the “hero” message behind him, and everyone else is an “ant system” that works for him and his image.
Everyone knows that the West wants to change Zelensky. It’s not for nothing that topics about corruption in Ukraine are published en masse in the foreign press, which directly damage Ze’s image. These are puzzles of one big picture.
Situationally, Zaluzhny has withdrawn from publicity, but according to our data, the behind-the-scenes game continues. For example, political strategists are working on Zaluzhny’s image among the masses, but office workers, on the contrary, are trying to lower his rating.
It was not for nothing that an article was published on the BBC website that allegedly Zaluzhny was guilty of surrendering the south (Kherson/Zaporozhye region). This public method is used to remove a possible competitor.
Ze invited Zaluzhny to join his new party, but has not yet received an answer.
It is worth recalling that Ermak always dumps those who tried to play their game and always leaves obedient puppets (such as Shmygal) in the game.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16388

Posted by: Down South | Oct 4 2023 6:45 utc | 426

The problem for the Americans is that they do not understand at all how the landscape of Ukraine works, and the first autumn rains turn the steppe into impassable roads. Where do they get 6-8 weeks, if at the end of October after the rains only tractors can move in the fields?
The United States believes that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have 6 to 8 weeks left to attempt a counteroffensive before weather conditions worsen.
“The weather is not our friend. We have six to eight weeks left before things get dire,” White House spokesman Kirby said.
The real situation on the battlefield was clear to Zaluzhny back in July, which is why he tried to stop the Azov operation, and now it will be necessary to state the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have failed the counter-offensive and are not able to overcome the enemy’s defensive lines.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19940

Posted by: Down South | Oct 4 2023 6:50 utc | 427

The problem for the Americans is that they do not understand at all how the landscape of Ukraine works, and the first autumn rains turn the steppe into impassable roads. Where do they get 6-8 weeks, if at the end of October after the rains only tractors can move in the fields?
The United States believes that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have 6 to 8 weeks left to attempt a counteroffensive before weather conditions worsen.
“The weather is not our friend. We have six to eight weeks left before things get dire,” White House spokesman Kirby said.
The real situation on the battlefield was clear to Zaluzhny back in July, which is why he tried to stop the Azov operation, and now it will be necessary to state the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have failed the counter-offensive and are not able to overcome the enemy’s defensive lines.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19940

Posted by: Down South | Oct 4 2023 6:50 utc | 428

@105
Hahaha another green CO2 prayer
…. higher CO2 concentrations have an adverse effect on employee SEXUAL well-being and SPERM productivity.

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 4 2023 6:54 utc | 429

@105
Hahaha another green CO2 prayer
…. higher CO2 concentrations have an adverse effect on employee SEXUAL well-being and SPERM productivity.

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 4 2023 6:54 utc | 430

My sense is the 20 million population estimate is optimistic. The population currently living in Kiev controled territory is closer to 11 million.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2023 2:48 utc | 193
That is probably the real number. Everyone, from UN to EU, adds Donbass and Crimea to Ukr statistics.

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 6:58 utc | 431

My sense is the 20 million population estimate is optimistic. The population currently living in Kiev controled territory is closer to 11 million.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2023 2:48 utc | 193
That is probably the real number. Everyone, from UN to EU, adds Donbass and Crimea to Ukr statistics.

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 6:58 utc | 432

Ukraine has caused a political crisis in the United States, which could lead to a complete blocking of financial and military assistance.
Kevin McCarthy was removed from the post of Speaker of the House of Representatives by a vote of 216-210, he was accused by fellow party members of secret agreements with Biden on Ukraine.
It is noteworthy that the Democrats helped remove him from office, which means that in the future no one will risk their career for the sake of supporting Ukraine.
Now the House of Representatives must elect a new speaker. Last time it took 15 rounds of voting and 4 days…
We can only guess under what conditions to choose a new speaker.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19939

“Will make support for Ukraine more difficult” – Economist on the removal of Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House of Representatives
Kevin McCarthy’s tenure as Speaker of the House of Representatives ended the same way it began: extremely humiliatingly, writes The Economist. For the first time in American history, members of the lower house of the US Congress removed their leader from office.
But the biggest concern for those outside America is the issue of aid to Ukraine, which was not included in the US government’s government funding agreement to appease radical Republicans.
Ukraine supporters in Congress, who make up majorities in both chambers, are pushing for a vote that would guarantee funding for Ukraine during the 2024 race. However, “pushing this legislative needle” may be even more difficult than avoiding a government shutdown.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19941

Posted by: Down South | Oct 4 2023 7:03 utc | 433

Ukraine has caused a political crisis in the United States, which could lead to a complete blocking of financial and military assistance.
Kevin McCarthy was removed from the post of Speaker of the House of Representatives by a vote of 216-210, he was accused by fellow party members of secret agreements with Biden on Ukraine.
It is noteworthy that the Democrats helped remove him from office, which means that in the future no one will risk their career for the sake of supporting Ukraine.
Now the House of Representatives must elect a new speaker. Last time it took 15 rounds of voting and 4 days…
We can only guess under what conditions to choose a new speaker.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19939

“Will make support for Ukraine more difficult” – Economist on the removal of Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House of Representatives
Kevin McCarthy’s tenure as Speaker of the House of Representatives ended the same way it began: extremely humiliatingly, writes The Economist. For the first time in American history, members of the lower house of the US Congress removed their leader from office.
But the biggest concern for those outside America is the issue of aid to Ukraine, which was not included in the US government’s government funding agreement to appease radical Republicans.
Ukraine supporters in Congress, who make up majorities in both chambers, are pushing for a vote that would guarantee funding for Ukraine during the 2024 race. However, “pushing this legislative needle” may be even more difficult than avoiding a government shutdown.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19941

Posted by: Down South | Oct 4 2023 7:03 utc | 434

…..Ukraine has caused a political crisis in the United States, which could lead to a complete blocking of financial and military assistance……
Solution – divvy up the graft more equitably among both political parties

Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2023 7:17 utc | 435

…..Ukraine has caused a political crisis in the United States, which could lead to a complete blocking of financial and military assistance……
Solution – divvy up the graft more equitably among both political parties

Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2023 7:17 utc | 436

Posted by: Ron | Oct 4 2023 5:11 utc | 203
Ron, your beliefs are based on faith in the teeth of evidence and reason. We are already way past the limits to growth. And I am afraid human ingenuity can NOT solve all constraints imposed by physics and mathematics.

Posted by: Tim | Oct 4 2023 7:23 utc | 437

Posted by: Ron | Oct 4 2023 5:11 utc | 203
Ron, your beliefs are based on faith in the teeth of evidence and reason. We are already way past the limits to growth. And I am afraid human ingenuity can NOT solve all constraints imposed by physics and mathematics.

Posted by: Tim | Oct 4 2023 7:23 utc | 438

An interesting term has been creeping into Western media lingo — “full-scale.” As in “Russia’s full-scale invasion” of Ukraine. Can somebody tell me how the Russian Federation’s special military operation ever qualified as a “full-scale invasion”? I get why the New York Times and its underlings would use the term, but it’s been picked up now by MoA! Here’s the sentence: “In January 2021, a year before Russia’s full-scale invasion, the fertility rate was 1.16, according to national statistics.” I hear echoes there, of earlier propaganda — “unprovoked aggression” and “Putin’s brutal war.” (Was there ever a war that wasn’t brutal?)

Posted by: Deplorable D | Oct 4 2023 7:32 utc | 439

An interesting term has been creeping into Western media lingo — “full-scale.” As in “Russia’s full-scale invasion” of Ukraine. Can somebody tell me how the Russian Federation’s special military operation ever qualified as a “full-scale invasion”? I get why the New York Times and its underlings would use the term, but it’s been picked up now by MoA! Here’s the sentence: “In January 2021, a year before Russia’s full-scale invasion, the fertility rate was 1.16, according to national statistics.” I hear echoes there, of earlier propaganda — “unprovoked aggression” and “Putin’s brutal war.” (Was there ever a war that wasn’t brutal?)

Posted by: Deplorable D | Oct 4 2023 7:32 utc | 440

MSM says that “Ukraine entitled to €186bn after accession”. So the plan is for everyone in EU to pay for war against the little shitty smo and all the profits going exclusively to US. That explains plans for weapon factories in Ukr and Barecock’s speech a few days ago. So it should probably happen in less than a year

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 7:33 utc | 441

MSM says that “Ukraine entitled to €186bn after accession”. So the plan is for everyone in EU to pay for war against the little shitty smo and all the profits going exclusively to US. That explains plans for weapon factories in Ukr and Barecock’s speech a few days ago. So it should probably happen in less than a year

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 7:33 utc | 442

My sense is the 20 million population estimate is optimistic. The population currently living in Kiev controled territory is closer to 11 million.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2023 2:48 utc | 193
That is probably the real number. Everyone, from UN to EU, adds Donbass and Crimea to Ukr statistics.
Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 6:58 utc | 215
If 11 million is the real population number that Kiev can draw mobilization from, than likely the maximum mobilization number is 2 million, but probably closer to 1.6 million Ukrainians. That would be 16-20 percent of the population, a higher rate than any country’s mobilization in WWI or WWII (except maybe Nazi Germany).
That means casualty numbers are much lower. Half a million casualties would be 25 to 30 percent of the total force. No army could launch offensive operations with that amount of casualties. The threshold is usually twenty percent.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 4 2023 7:41 utc | 443

My sense is the 20 million population estimate is optimistic. The population currently living in Kiev controled territory is closer to 11 million.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2023 2:48 utc | 193
That is probably the real number. Everyone, from UN to EU, adds Donbass and Crimea to Ukr statistics.
Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 6:58 utc | 215
If 11 million is the real population number that Kiev can draw mobilization from, than likely the maximum mobilization number is 2 million, but probably closer to 1.6 million Ukrainians. That would be 16-20 percent of the population, a higher rate than any country’s mobilization in WWI or WWII (except maybe Nazi Germany).
That means casualty numbers are much lower. Half a million casualties would be 25 to 30 percent of the total force. No army could launch offensive operations with that amount of casualties. The threshold is usually twenty percent.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 4 2023 7:41 utc | 444

Stripping out Ukraine’s indigenous male population was probably part of the western elite’s game plan. Zelenski’s prime motivation seems to have been to feed as many of his countrymen into the grinder as possible. Some put it down to apathy, carelessness, desperation, others to his cocaine addled state of mind, maybe a combination of all of the above, but I believe there was method in this madness.
Once the war was won by the west, this demographic vacuum would need to have been filled in the only way possible; ‘how’ I hear you asking. Well by mass immigration of course, in the kinds of numbers that we are seeing right now in the UK, EU and US. Problem – reaction – solution. Kalergi would have been proud because Ukrainian culture and it’s future as a Slavic nation would have been destroyed forever.
This is what Mr Wallace is still advocating for – thankfully Putin has put a stop to it

Posted by: Sir Keef | Oct 4 2023 7:50 utc | 445

Stripping out Ukraine’s indigenous male population was probably part of the western elite’s game plan. Zelenski’s prime motivation seems to have been to feed as many of his countrymen into the grinder as possible. Some put it down to apathy, carelessness, desperation, others to his cocaine addled state of mind, maybe a combination of all of the above, but I believe there was method in this madness.
Once the war was won by the west, this demographic vacuum would need to have been filled in the only way possible; ‘how’ I hear you asking. Well by mass immigration of course, in the kinds of numbers that we are seeing right now in the UK, EU and US. Problem – reaction – solution. Kalergi would have been proud because Ukrainian culture and it’s future as a Slavic nation would have been destroyed forever.
This is what Mr Wallace is still advocating for – thankfully Putin has put a stop to it

Posted by: Sir Keef | Oct 4 2023 7:50 utc | 446

@James M. | Oct 4 2023 7:41 utc | 221
This is a zombie proxy army, they never used any logic. Not even before the smo. their idiotic attacks had no logic, it only increased the zombie losses. And today’s attacks are the same, the governor of Bryansk said that yesterday more than 50 buildings were hit by cluster ammo in a single village.
All of the ukro zombies will be pushed to death. And the dead/wounded ratio is also “wrong”. You did see that unrepairable nato soldiers have heads and hands removed and the locals are sold for parts? Is that going according to your imaginary rules?

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 8:01 utc | 447

@James M. | Oct 4 2023 7:41 utc | 221
This is a zombie proxy army, they never used any logic. Not even before the smo. their idiotic attacks had no logic, it only increased the zombie losses. And today’s attacks are the same, the governor of Bryansk said that yesterday more than 50 buildings were hit by cluster ammo in a single village.
All of the ukro zombies will be pushed to death. And the dead/wounded ratio is also “wrong”. You did see that unrepairable nato soldiers have heads and hands removed and the locals are sold for parts? Is that going according to your imaginary rules?

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 8:01 utc | 448

One good example of how a shrinking population is a bad thing: up until the French Revolution, France had for centuries been known as the most populous country in Europe. The revolution unleashed societal changes in France that resulted in people having far less children – really the first modern example of this happening. The result – in two generations France went from the most powerful country in Europe (occupying most of the continent under Napoleon) to getting their asses kicked by a recently unified (and high birth rate) Germany.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | Oct 4 2023 8:17 utc | 449

One good example of how a shrinking population is a bad thing: up until the French Revolution, France had for centuries been known as the most populous country in Europe. The revolution unleashed societal changes in France that resulted in people having far less children – really the first modern example of this happening. The result – in two generations France went from the most powerful country in Europe (occupying most of the continent under Napoleon) to getting their asses kicked by a recently unified (and high birth rate) Germany.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | Oct 4 2023 8:17 utc | 450

Could someone provide statistics for how many Russian speaking people in total have died in the Ukraine conflict, and a secound total of how many Americans, British and other NATO people.
That would give a clearer picture and understanding of where we are after 20 months.
For America its all about killing forigners. All ways has been, end of story.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 4 2023 8:36 utc | 451

Could someone provide statistics for how many Russian speaking people in total have died in the Ukraine conflict, and a secound total of how many Americans, British and other NATO people.
That would give a clearer picture and understanding of where we are after 20 months.
For America its all about killing forigners. All ways has been, end of story.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 4 2023 8:36 utc | 452

… Forbes report showing Russia’s manufacturing PMI running ahead of Kazakhstan at the top of the list, while the bottom ten also deserve scrutiny.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 3 2023 23:51 utc | 175
Impressive, especially since the Kazakhstan figure probably merely represents Russian sanctions evasion

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 4 2023 8:48 utc | 453

… Forbes report showing Russia’s manufacturing PMI running ahead of Kazakhstan at the top of the list, while the bottom ten also deserve scrutiny.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 3 2023 23:51 utc | 175
Impressive, especially since the Kazakhstan figure probably merely represents Russian sanctions evasion

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 4 2023 8:48 utc | 454

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 8:01 utc | 223
Yup, maybe peace will suddenly break out, maybe not, either way the only thing that genuinely improves Russia’s lot is to increase the lethality of their weapons and quality of their command structure. Almost everything else falls into the category of arguments that have already failed to be predictive.
It is axiomatic that any prominent figures the west hasn’t bothered to complain about can be safely dispensed with.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 4 2023 8:53 utc | 455

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 8:01 utc | 223
Yup, maybe peace will suddenly break out, maybe not, either way the only thing that genuinely improves Russia’s lot is to increase the lethality of their weapons and quality of their command structure. Almost everything else falls into the category of arguments that have already failed to be predictive.
It is axiomatic that any prominent figures the west hasn’t bothered to complain about can be safely dispensed with.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 4 2023 8:53 utc | 456

Minister of defense in Netherlands Kajsa Ollongren said Ukraine is a cheap way to ensure Russia causes no threat. Not that this is anything new to anyone who is not completely insane, Ukraine’s role can now legitimately be equated to that of a disposable c#ndom from Nato official statements.
By now, even toddlers might understand why Ukraine will never be in Nato and EU, which is the least of their worries anyway.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1709499621125275753

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2023 9:31 utc | 457

Minister of defense in Netherlands Kajsa Ollongren said Ukraine is a cheap way to ensure Russia causes no threat. Not that this is anything new to anyone who is not completely insane, Ukraine’s role can now legitimately be equated to that of a disposable c#ndom from Nato official statements.
By now, even toddlers might understand why Ukraine will never be in Nato and EU, which is the least of their worries anyway.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1709499621125275753

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2023 9:31 utc | 458

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 3 2023 18:04 utc | 86
You are very wrong. We have had much more CO2 in the world than today and I urge you to check your figures. It was before the the Industrial Age and that is why you and your sources may not know about it or want to mention it. One would then ask ,why would your sources not know it or want to mention it ,if they were giving fearless and frank information and not just pushing their own agendas ?
England once had a real wine industry as it was hot enough to grow grapes for real, and not just as a hobby- farm affair now. The English surname , Lees , refers to that time .
Scandinavia was once hot enough for cattle and sheep to be allowed to winter in the fields. This stopped around two thousand years ago when the Scands had to bring their sheep and cattle into barns over Winter or they would die . This eventually led to starvation of the Scands and thus we had a start to the great Barbarian invasions around 100 BC and again around 400 – 550AD. The Goths for instance came South then , and crossed over the Roman borders in what is now Germany etc.
This is not the first time climate has changed in the world , and it both certainly changed without one iota of help by humans and the ability to be prevented by us respectively.

Posted by: Wondrous | Oct 4 2023 9:48 utc | 459

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 3 2023 18:04 utc | 86
You are very wrong. We have had much more CO2 in the world than today and I urge you to check your figures. It was before the the Industrial Age and that is why you and your sources may not know about it or want to mention it. One would then ask ,why would your sources not know it or want to mention it ,if they were giving fearless and frank information and not just pushing their own agendas ?
England once had a real wine industry as it was hot enough to grow grapes for real, and not just as a hobby- farm affair now. The English surname , Lees , refers to that time .
Scandinavia was once hot enough for cattle and sheep to be allowed to winter in the fields. This stopped around two thousand years ago when the Scands had to bring their sheep and cattle into barns over Winter or they would die . This eventually led to starvation of the Scands and thus we had a start to the great Barbarian invasions around 100 BC and again around 400 – 550AD. The Goths for instance came South then , and crossed over the Roman borders in what is now Germany etc.
This is not the first time climate has changed in the world , and it both certainly changed without one iota of help by humans and the ability to be prevented by us respectively.

Posted by: Wondrous | Oct 4 2023 9:48 utc | 460

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 8:01 utc | 223
There’s no such thing as NATO troops. NATO is not a country they don’t have an army. Individual NATO members contribute to its missions, but they do so under their own banner.
As for my rules, they aren’t hard rules at all, just an observation. But find me a modern war post 1815 where an army has sustained a twenty percent or more irrevocable casualty rate relative to its mobilized force and still maintained offensive operations. I’d be curious if it did happen. As far as I know it hasn’t. Yes armies have had higher casualty rates but they were on the defensive.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 4 2023 9:52 utc | 461

Posted by: rk | Oct 4 2023 8:01 utc | 223
There’s no such thing as NATO troops. NATO is not a country they don’t have an army. Individual NATO members contribute to its missions, but they do so under their own banner.
As for my rules, they aren’t hard rules at all, just an observation. But find me a modern war post 1815 where an army has sustained a twenty percent or more irrevocable casualty rate relative to its mobilized force and still maintained offensive operations. I’d be curious if it did happen. As far as I know it hasn’t. Yes armies have had higher casualty rates but they were on the defensive.

Posted by: James M. | Oct 4 2023 9:52 utc | 462

Big Serge’s article of Nato’s cold war air-land battle doctrine and how Russians use against Ukraine. It also includes small scale counter-offensives during the defensive phase to strain the enemy.
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1709375022039806165

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2023 9:54 utc | 463

Big Serge’s article of Nato’s cold war air-land battle doctrine and how Russians use against Ukraine. It also includes small scale counter-offensives during the defensive phase to strain the enemy.
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1709375022039806165

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2023 9:54 utc | 464

«Nazi monuments in Canada should be torn down,»writes the Toronto Star today.
Thanks to the Ukrainian Nazi Gunka scandal in Parliament, Canadians have suddenly discovered that they already have monuments to the SS Galicia Division.
Oh, how many more wonderful discoveries await them!
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1709500636989948305

Look how the sentiment is turning. Ukraine is simply about to be memory holed, there are now rumors circulating US will cut funding in 4-6 weeks.
Of course, there are still die hards in eastern Europe and UK who demand the rest be sacrificed for Moloch.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2023 10:46 utc | 465

«Nazi monuments in Canada should be torn down,»writes the Toronto Star today.
Thanks to the Ukrainian Nazi Gunka scandal in Parliament, Canadians have suddenly discovered that they already have monuments to the SS Galicia Division.
Oh, how many more wonderful discoveries await them!
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1709500636989948305

Look how the sentiment is turning. Ukraine is simply about to be memory holed, there are now rumors circulating US will cut funding in 4-6 weeks.
Of course, there are still die hards in eastern Europe and UK who demand the rest be sacrificed for Moloch.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2023 10:46 utc | 466

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quTdZl2NBjk
from the Hindustan Times, I’m not familiar with it–about “massive protests in Berlin over German military aid to Ukraine”. I hope it’s true–I want to see cracks in the NATO alliance.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 4 2023 10:49 utc | 467

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quTdZl2NBjk
from the Hindustan Times, I’m not familiar with it–about “massive protests in Berlin over German military aid to Ukraine”. I hope it’s true–I want to see cracks in the NATO alliance.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 4 2023 10:49 utc | 468

Posted by: barstool | Oct 3 2023 20:56 utc | 141
I’m glad you summarized the talking points of contemporary fascists so comprehensively.
Even though it’s actually basically factually incorrect.
First, monasteries are landowners, not communist societies. Obviously, just because words are similar doesn’t mean they mean the same thing.
Second, the Nazis privatized much of the state property, the opposite of the Soviet Union which nationalized the vast majority of industry during the NEP.
Third, the part about oligarchs in ancient Greece is just nonsense. The oligarchs’ control was based on their ownership of slaves and land, not on any “socialism”.
Fourth, the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire because the aristocracy was unwilling to reduce its exploitation of the plebeians. The latter had to buy their own equipment for military service and often found themselves without their land upon discharge. This class conflict led to the possible emergence of populist leaders like Julius Caesar. However, Caesar himself did not build an empire. Octavian built an empire based on his full convergence to the nobility after the assassination. The empire arose because the privileges of the aristocracy could only be maintained by a stronger apparatus of repression and the disenfranchisement of more commoners. This is precisely the logic of fascism. Another critical problem was that the Roman Republic itself had become an empire whose expansion increased the wealth of the nobility while being a burden on the plebeians.
Since the Soviet Union failed, right-wing historical revisionism has given rise to claims such as yours and has entered the mainstream. This is exactly what you are talking about when you say “The first rule of history is that the victors write the history. The second rule is that historians change the history to fit their biases.”
Even though you failed on the most basic of facts. For example, it was never in the least bit a secret that Lincoln offered support to the fort, nor does it change any conclusion that the first shot was fired first by the South – even though it doesn’t matter much to Marxists who fired the first shot. Obviously, due to the absolute military superiority of the South, any resupply would not have been sufficient to change any situation, and therefore these resupply could not be construed as any aggression.
Primary sources mean “what they say”, which is meaningless unless you’re studying the history of ideology and believe that the US is promoting democracy.
What really matters is the cold, hard economic facts in the primary sources, i.e., what they actually did: privatized or nationalized, what percentage of output was private profit and how it changed.
In fact, after the Nazis came to power, private profits as a percentage of GDP rose to more than the pre-1929 figure, while at the same time Roosevelt’s America still have a private profit share that was only two-thirds of the pre-1929 figure. Obviously, the American bourgeoisie had their interests counted in supporting Hitler for a long time.
New Deal liberalism failed to restore previous profit margins as fully as the Nazis did.
From Adam Tooze, The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy.
From Suresh Naidu
Of course, if you’re interested in languages, words, concepts, newspapers, and “hidden secret histories” there’s a part for you here:

Apparently, the first use of the word “privatization” (or “reprivatization”) in English occurred in the 1930s, in the context of explaining economic policy in the Third Reich. Indeed, the English word was formulated as a translation of the German word “Reprivatisierung,” which had itself been newly minted under the Third Reich.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 4 2023 10:56 utc | 469

Posted by: barstool | Oct 3 2023 20:56 utc | 141
I’m glad you summarized the talking points of contemporary fascists so comprehensively.
Even though it’s actually basically factually incorrect.
First, monasteries are landowners, not communist societies. Obviously, just because words are similar doesn’t mean they mean the same thing.
Second, the Nazis privatized much of the state property, the opposite of the Soviet Union which nationalized the vast majority of industry during the NEP.
Third, the part about oligarchs in ancient Greece is just nonsense. The oligarchs’ control was based on their ownership of slaves and land, not on any “socialism”.
Fourth, the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire because the aristocracy was unwilling to reduce its exploitation of the plebeians. The latter had to buy their own equipment for military service and often found themselves without their land upon discharge. This class conflict led to the possible emergence of populist leaders like Julius Caesar. However, Caesar himself did not build an empire. Octavian built an empire based on his full convergence to the nobility after the assassination. The empire arose because the privileges of the aristocracy could only be maintained by a stronger apparatus of repression and the disenfranchisement of more commoners. This is precisely the logic of fascism. Another critical problem was that the Roman Republic itself had become an empire whose expansion increased the wealth of the nobility while being a burden on the plebeians.
Since the Soviet Union failed, right-wing historical revisionism has given rise to claims such as yours and has entered the mainstream. This is exactly what you are talking about when you say “The first rule of history is that the victors write the history. The second rule is that historians change the history to fit their biases.”
Even though you failed on the most basic of facts. For example, it was never in the least bit a secret that Lincoln offered support to the fort, nor does it change any conclusion that the first shot was fired first by the South – even though it doesn’t matter much to Marxists who fired the first shot. Obviously, due to the absolute military superiority of the South, any resupply would not have been sufficient to change any situation, and therefore these resupply could not be construed as any aggression.
Primary sources mean “what they say”, which is meaningless unless you’re studying the history of ideology and believe that the US is promoting democracy.
What really matters is the cold, hard economic facts in the primary sources, i.e., what they actually did: privatized or nationalized, what percentage of output was private profit and how it changed.
In fact, after the Nazis came to power, private profits as a percentage of GDP rose to more than the pre-1929 figure, while at the same time Roosevelt’s America still have a private profit share that was only two-thirds of the pre-1929 figure. Obviously, the American bourgeoisie had their interests counted in supporting Hitler for a long time.
New Deal liberalism failed to restore previous profit margins as fully as the Nazis did.
From Adam Tooze, The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy.
From Suresh Naidu
Of course, if you’re interested in languages, words, concepts, newspapers, and “hidden secret histories” there’s a part for you here:

Apparently, the first use of the word “privatization” (or “reprivatization”) in English occurred in the 1930s, in the context of explaining economic policy in the Third Reich. Indeed, the English word was formulated as a translation of the German word “Reprivatisierung,” which had itself been newly minted under the Third Reich.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 4 2023 10:56 utc | 470

All that in Europe’s poorest country, that couldn’t even afford to pay pensions, build infrastructure or even fix potholes in the roads before the war. A place where nobody would want to move to, to help rebuilding.
Posted by: Marvin | Oct 3 2023 19:26 utc | 120

At the time of the USSR breakup, Ukraine was the richest part. The Ukie elites wanted the split so they could pillage all the Soviet accumulated wealth… mines….industries…lands…
Komolsky, Poroshenko, etal were prominent in this…
In consequence, by 2006 when we were posted to Otapi, Namibia, Ukie MDs were scrambling to leave in droves because they, like all Ukie professionals, were paid a pittance. Therein lies the mass desire of the Ukie population to align with the EU… they wanted to emigrate to the EU for work…. at that time, Russia was not considered as desirable…
The collapse in Ukie wages made the country ripe for co-optation by Nuland, etal’s $ 5 billion, spread across thousands, if not tens of thousands of impoverished Ukies. That of course, was not enough, punishers like the Azov guys, and the Georgian snipers were needed to topple the Yanukovich government.
This brings us to the present. I agree of course, that Ukraine has lost it’s economic base, and the bulk of it’s child bearing age women, now refugees elsewhere. But, the Third Reich fought on for more than a year before it surrendered, and many months after Berlin fell.
This thing is not over, yet…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 4 2023 11:01 utc | 471

All that in Europe’s poorest country, that couldn’t even afford to pay pensions, build infrastructure or even fix potholes in the roads before the war. A place where nobody would want to move to, to help rebuilding.
Posted by: Marvin | Oct 3 2023 19:26 utc | 120

At the time of the USSR breakup, Ukraine was the richest part. The Ukie elites wanted the split so they could pillage all the Soviet accumulated wealth… mines….industries…lands…
Komolsky, Poroshenko, etal were prominent in this…
In consequence, by 2006 when we were posted to Otapi, Namibia, Ukie MDs were scrambling to leave in droves because they, like all Ukie professionals, were paid a pittance. Therein lies the mass desire of the Ukie population to align with the EU… they wanted to emigrate to the EU for work…. at that time, Russia was not considered as desirable…
The collapse in Ukie wages made the country ripe for co-optation by Nuland, etal’s $ 5 billion, spread across thousands, if not tens of thousands of impoverished Ukies. That of course, was not enough, punishers like the Azov guys, and the Georgian snipers were needed to topple the Yanukovich government.
This brings us to the present. I agree of course, that Ukraine has lost it’s economic base, and the bulk of it’s child bearing age women, now refugees elsewhere. But, the Third Reich fought on for more than a year before it surrendered, and many months after Berlin fell.
This thing is not over, yet…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 4 2023 11:01 utc | 472

Yes, we are facing the threat of the re-emergence of Nazism, not because of any “socialism”, but because of privatization, rising profit share, and increased repression against socialists.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2023 10:48 utc | 239
If only America wasn’t designed by the car corporations to be nearly impossible to live without a car.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 4 2023 11:03 utc | 473

Yes, we are facing the threat of the re-emergence of Nazism, not because of any “socialism”, but because of privatization, rising profit share, and increased repression against socialists.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 4 2023 10:48 utc | 239
If only America wasn’t designed by the car corporations to be nearly impossible to live without a car.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 4 2023 11:03 utc | 474

Elensky is a Jew only when it suits him to be, like Yatsenyuk before him. He’s also totally dependent on the nazis to stay in power and he knows it. By and large the nazi formations have been kept away from being wiped out in the meat grinders (the only major battle they’ve taken part in was Azov in Mariupol). If anything Elensky is protecting the nazis from destruction in return for them keeping him in power where he can steal as much as he wants.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 4 2023 4:07 utc | 200

The world, and the US in particular, make too much of jewry…. It’s a tribe… Before WWII this group had achieved a stable home in Poland, Ukraine, and Russia, primarily via the policies of the Czars before the October revolution, as those lands were part of the Russian empire of pre WWI period.
Yes, Hitler needed a scape goat, to hide NAZI eonomic failure(s) but jews were perhaps to Americans the most prominent part, but the gypsies, Rusyn, Magyars, Serbs, and Slavs were killed with equal abandon. Fully 25% of all Serbs were killed, for example.
To me, a Shakepearian quote applies to the jews of today… “Methinks the lady doth protest too much”…
Ashkenazis in Brooklyn work the welfare system to get outsized support for their large families, while other groups go wanting, for example…
Today’s Russia maintains the ancient policy of tolerance and inclusiveness for all it’s constituent ethnic groups, ditto Iran, ditto China. Including Jews. So, why are these targets of NATO aggression???
The answer lies in narcissism… racism… endemic in Anglo-Saxon culture.. Witness the hysteria of the UK vis a vis Russia, with whom it has no border, nor proximity…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 4 2023 11:14 utc | 475

Elensky is a Jew only when it suits him to be, like Yatsenyuk before him. He’s also totally dependent on the nazis to stay in power and he knows it. By and large the nazi formations have been kept away from being wiped out in the meat grinders (the only major battle they’ve taken part in was Azov in Mariupol). If anything Elensky is protecting the nazis from destruction in return for them keeping him in power where he can steal as much as he wants.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 4 2023 4:07 utc | 200

The world, and the US in particular, make too much of jewry…. It’s a tribe… Before WWII this group had achieved a stable home in Poland, Ukraine, and Russia, primarily via the policies of the Czars before the October revolution, as those lands were part of the Russian empire of pre WWI period.
Yes, Hitler needed a scape goat, to hide NAZI eonomic failure(s) but jews were perhaps to Americans the most prominent part, but the gypsies, Rusyn, Magyars, Serbs, and Slavs were killed with equal abandon. Fully 25% of all Serbs were killed, for example.
To me, a Shakepearian quote applies to the jews of today… “Methinks the lady doth protest too much”…
Ashkenazis in Brooklyn work the welfare system to get outsized support for their large families, while other groups go wanting, for example…
Today’s Russia maintains the ancient policy of tolerance and inclusiveness for all it’s constituent ethnic groups, ditto Iran, ditto China. Including Jews. So, why are these targets of NATO aggression???
The answer lies in narcissism… racism… endemic in Anglo-Saxon culture.. Witness the hysteria of the UK vis a vis Russia, with whom it has no border, nor proximity…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 4 2023 11:14 utc | 476

Larry Johnson/ sonar21.com
ACCOUNT SUSPENDED.
Gooble and PedoBill both chopped him.
The ComuNazis want CONTROL. At any cost.
And they will pay a cost. Personally.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 4 2023 11:17 utc | 477

Larry Johnson/ sonar21.com
ACCOUNT SUSPENDED.
Gooble and PedoBill both chopped him.
The ComuNazis want CONTROL. At any cost.
And they will pay a cost. Personally.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 4 2023 11:17 utc | 478

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/when-even-the-nazis-arent-nazis?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
she makes a number of good points, including the following:
“So let’s recap.
Jeremy Corbyn supporters: Nazis.
Palestinian rights activists: Nazis.
People who criticize Israel: Nazis.
People who didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton: Nazis.
Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi insignia and Nazi ideology: not Nazis.
Actual SS Nazis: not Nazis.”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 4 2023 11:20 utc | 479

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/when-even-the-nazis-arent-nazis?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
she makes a number of good points, including the following:
“So let’s recap.
Jeremy Corbyn supporters: Nazis.
Palestinian rights activists: Nazis.
People who criticize Israel: Nazis.
People who didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton: Nazis.
Ukrainian soldiers with Nazi insignia and Nazi ideology: not Nazis.
Actual SS Nazis: not Nazis.”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 4 2023 11:20 utc | 480

https://www.klubinteligencjipolskiej.pl/2023/10/%e2%96%a0-calkowity-koniec-istnienia-banderowskiej-ukrainy-bedzie-dobry-nie-tylko-dla-polski-%e2%96%a0/
Read the publication and the comments below – just like here, only from Poland. (and this is not the Polish mainstream).
Look how Poles outside the Polish government see it.
For once, look at other sources than usual.
I especially encourage b, karlof1, Dr. George W. Oprisko, Down South, ….
I’m interested in your opinions
Posted by: nc | Oct 3 2023 19:08 utc | 113

Apparently, the patient, attritional progress chosen by the Russians is having the effect of bringing the Poles to their senses… The piece above, implies that sufficient memory of NAZI atrocities in Poland remains, and Poles now realize that they could do worse, much worse than have Russia as a neighbor. They could have the Banderists, instead….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 4 2023 11:20 utc | 481

https://www.klubinteligencjipolskiej.pl/2023/10/%e2%96%a0-calkowity-koniec-istnienia-banderowskiej-ukrainy-bedzie-dobry-nie-tylko-dla-polski-%e2%96%a0/
Read the publication and the comments below – just like here, only from Poland. (and this is not the Polish mainstream).
Look how Poles outside the Polish government see it.
For once, look at other sources than usual.
I especially encourage b, karlof1, Dr. George W. Oprisko, Down South, ….
I’m interested in your opinions
Posted by: nc | Oct 3 2023 19:08 utc | 113

Apparently, the patient, attritional progress chosen by the Russians is having the effect of bringing the Poles to their senses… The piece above, implies that sufficient memory of NAZI atrocities in Poland remains, and Poles now realize that they could do worse, much worse than have Russia as a neighbor. They could have the Banderists, instead….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 4 2023 11:20 utc | 482

246 & 249
Yes. Larry is notoriously bad at technical side of things. OTOH, yeah, he has made some enemies and it is possible the knives are out. Larry is ex-CIA. There is no such thing as ex-CIA. They tolerate factions to some extent, meaning we get inside information to some extent. This is not same as a reliable conduit.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 4 2023 11:31 utc | 483

246 & 249
Yes. Larry is notoriously bad at technical side of things. OTOH, yeah, he has made some enemies and it is possible the knives are out. Larry is ex-CIA. There is no such thing as ex-CIA. They tolerate factions to some extent, meaning we get inside information to some extent. This is not same as a reliable conduit.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 4 2023 11:31 utc | 484

@60 Scot1and That report highlights quite dramatically what a blood-sucking parasite the MIC is on the body politic.
MIC: Feed me!!! More! More! Feeeeeeed meeeeeeeeee!!!!!
West: OK, but now we need you to ramp up production.
MIC: Nah, I don’t feel like doing that.
From the article: “The admiral, who chairs Nato’s Military Committee, said decades of underinvestment meant Nato countries had begun supplying Ukraine with weapons with their ammunition warehouse already half-full or even emptier”
Yet, decades of underinvestment amid decades of record profits.
I’m going to give that Admiral some advice: the MIC isn’t going to increase investment in production, because that is hard and they aren’t used to hard work. So NATO countries can double their defense expenditure and all that will do is lead to the MIC doubling the unit-cost of their ammo production.
Heck, those countries could increase their spending by an order of magnitude, and the immediate effect of that is that the MIC would increase their prices by ten times.
The alternative is to actually increase PRODUCTION by ten times, and they don’t want to do that.
Why? Because that’s hard to do, and it’s much easier to just pad out the prices to soak up the extra money that’s floating around.
Admiral, baby, the MIC is a C.A.R.T.E.L.
You know that’s true, because you are part of that cartel. Stop pretending otherwise.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 4 2023 11:40 utc | 485

@60 Scot1and That report highlights quite dramatically what a blood-sucking parasite the MIC is on the body politic.
MIC: Feed me!!! More! More! Feeeeeeed meeeeeeeeee!!!!!
West: OK, but now we need you to ramp up production.
MIC: Nah, I don’t feel like doing that.
From the article: “The admiral, who chairs Nato’s Military Committee, said decades of underinvestment meant Nato countries had begun supplying Ukraine with weapons with their ammunition warehouse already half-full or even emptier”
Yet, decades of underinvestment amid decades of record profits.
I’m going to give that Admiral some advice: the MIC isn’t going to increase investment in production, because that is hard and they aren’t used to hard work. So NATO countries can double their defense expenditure and all that will do is lead to the MIC doubling the unit-cost of their ammo production.
Heck, those countries could increase their spending by an order of magnitude, and the immediate effect of that is that the MIC would increase their prices by ten times.
The alternative is to actually increase PRODUCTION by ten times, and they don’t want to do that.
Why? Because that’s hard to do, and it’s much easier to just pad out the prices to soak up the extra money that’s floating around.
Admiral, baby, the MIC is a C.A.R.T.E.L.
You know that’s true, because you are part of that cartel. Stop pretending otherwise.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 4 2023 11:40 utc | 486

We have now a Nato statement that they are running out of ammunition. The objective of demilitarizing Nato seems to have occurred. While some may say US will build more, it is not that simple.
The west, especially EU controlled part of Europe is in especially bad shape. EU is now in hyperbolic expansion mode, they seek to acquire Balkan states and Ukraine. But that is insanity, considering the core structure of EU subsidy transfers and economic driver was the export industry in Germany, which enabled Germany to fund most other EU states and import their products.
The life cycle of EU can be compared to that of a star – it undergoes expansion, then starts shedding off outer layers and finally collapses. The size of the EU never quite managed to exceed that of the Third Reich.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2023 11:42 utc | 487

We have now a Nato statement that they are running out of ammunition. The objective of demilitarizing Nato seems to have occurred. While some may say US will build more, it is not that simple.
The west, especially EU controlled part of Europe is in especially bad shape. EU is now in hyperbolic expansion mode, they seek to acquire Balkan states and Ukraine. But that is insanity, considering the core structure of EU subsidy transfers and economic driver was the export industry in Germany, which enabled Germany to fund most other EU states and import their products.
The life cycle of EU can be compared to that of a star – it undergoes expansion, then starts shedding off outer layers and finally collapses. The size of the EU never quite managed to exceed that of the Third Reich.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 4 2023 11:42 utc | 488

I hope Bernard, or whoever, polices this blog permits the following to post….
I note that following the detonation at the power plant in Oxford, England…..
The level of UK hysteria vis a vis Russia dropped… dramatically…
Wallace was sacked….
Proposals for sending the Royal Navy into the Black Sea disappeared… etc….
I personally, believe the Brits don’t know for sure what the cause was..
They do know, however, that their barely balanced Electricity Grid, is now woefully short going into winter…
Matters are potentially worse, much worse in CONUS…
There is only one solid fuel rocket motor plant, and it’s in Utah
There is only one black powder plant, in Arkansas I believe…
There is only one LNG plant
Millions are simply entering the US by walking across the Rio Grande, and many get public transport from the USG for destinations nationwide…
Sequestering SRG(s) among this host is trivial….
This is a case of Biden/Nuland/etal. fiddling while NATO burns… potentially….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 4 2023 11:48 utc | 489

I hope Bernard, or whoever, polices this blog permits the following to post….
I note that following the detonation at the power plant in Oxford, England…..
The level of UK hysteria vis a vis Russia dropped… dramatically…
Wallace was sacked….
Proposals for sending the Royal Navy into the Black Sea disappeared… etc….
I personally, believe the Brits don’t know for sure what the cause was..
They do know, however, that their barely balanced Electricity Grid, is now woefully short going into winter…
Matters are potentially worse, much worse in CONUS…
There is only one solid fuel rocket motor plant, and it’s in Utah
There is only one black powder plant, in Arkansas I believe…
There is only one LNG plant
Millions are simply entering the US by walking across the Rio Grande, and many get public transport from the USG for destinations nationwide…
Sequestering SRG(s) among this host is trivial….
This is a case of Biden/Nuland/etal. fiddling while NATO burns… potentially….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 4 2023 11:48 utc | 490

https://t.me/vicktop55/17438
By the way, Elensky’s wife spent $1.1 million on jewellery at Cartier’s while her husband was demanding money at the UN. And got a sales girl fired too.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 4 2023 11:56 utc | 491

https://t.me/vicktop55/17438
By the way, Elensky’s wife spent $1.1 million on jewellery at Cartier’s while her husband was demanding money at the UN. And got a sales girl fired too.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 4 2023 11:56 utc | 492

pretzelattack 247
If the reality of capitalism is that industry is merely a way of money-laundering colonial plunder, while socialism is the building of state capital, we see that every political entity chooses a logo to disguise its real purpose.
The only reality I can see with my eyes and breve in is that 2003 secured Kurdish free oil to run the British lorry economy. Somalia, Libya and Syria are on the back boiler for our future .
The only way Britain can function is by colonial plunder and Ukraine is only on the agenda for seizing RF gas and oil.
Britain now regards industry and manufacturing as redundant methods of colonial loot laundering , because the laundering can be done by banking and real estate , and all you need is oil and gas for is heating and transport.
The Psychopaths at the Tory Party conference proclaimed that building public infrastructure like HS2 is ideogically incorrect and that it should be built by private finance that charges the end user .
The Tory wonks are delirious about privately financed modular nuclear power stations in every city to replace gas fired ones. Digging a little hole somewhere in Scotland for the toxic waste is ideologically superior to digging a hole in the currency by QE.
And of course digging a hole where Britain once stood by starting nuclear war with Russia is survivable for important people by temporary emigration to New Zealand luxury bunkers. All we need is planes services to get us there and we’ll run the world from there.
In conclusion , the only world the Tories are actively planning for is post- nuclear for a few thousand people. China and Russia plan for the future of the whole world after the troublemakers have been khinzalled in their NZ bunkers. You can’t beat a good bunker bomb when you know criminals are sheltering there.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 4 2023 12:08 utc | 493

pretzelattack 247
If the reality of capitalism is that industry is merely a way of money-laundering colonial plunder, while socialism is the building of state capital, we see that every political entity chooses a logo to disguise its real purpose.
The only reality I can see with my eyes and breve in is that 2003 secured Kurdish free oil to run the British lorry economy. Somalia, Libya and Syria are on the back boiler for our future .
The only way Britain can function is by colonial plunder and Ukraine is only on the agenda for seizing RF gas and oil.
Britain now regards industry and manufacturing as redundant methods of colonial loot laundering , because the laundering can be done by banking and real estate , and all you need is oil and gas for is heating and transport.
The Psychopaths at the Tory Party conference proclaimed that building public infrastructure like HS2 is ideogically incorrect and that it should be built by private finance that charges the end user .
The Tory wonks are delirious about privately financed modular nuclear power stations in every city to replace gas fired ones. Digging a little hole somewhere in Scotland for the toxic waste is ideologically superior to digging a hole in the currency by QE.
And of course digging a hole where Britain once stood by starting nuclear war with Russia is survivable for important people by temporary emigration to New Zealand luxury bunkers. All we need is planes services to get us there and we’ll run the world from there.
In conclusion , the only world the Tories are actively planning for is post- nuclear for a few thousand people. China and Russia plan for the future of the whole world after the troublemakers have been khinzalled in their NZ bunkers. You can’t beat a good bunker bomb when you know criminals are sheltering there.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 4 2023 12:08 utc | 494

Only 1% of Ukrainians are women between 20 and 25 years old. The largest age cohort is women of between 60 and 65 years old, who constitute 4.7% of the total population. Even the last cohort born under Stalin’s rule, now 70 to 75 years old, is 3.7% or 3.7 times larger than the 20 and 25 years olds.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 3 2023 14:41 utc | 19

If you are a young man living in Ukraine and you want to get married, you’d better look for a wife in the 60-65 age bracket. Macron, you’d better move to Ukraine. Maybe you can replace Zelensky after he gets eliminated by the CIA!

Posted by: BM | Oct 4 2023 12:09 utc | 495

Only 1% of Ukrainians are women between 20 and 25 years old. The largest age cohort is women of between 60 and 65 years old, who constitute 4.7% of the total population. Even the last cohort born under Stalin’s rule, now 70 to 75 years old, is 3.7% or 3.7 times larger than the 20 and 25 years olds.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 3 2023 14:41 utc | 19

If you are a young man living in Ukraine and you want to get married, you’d better look for a wife in the 60-65 age bracket. Macron, you’d better move to Ukraine. Maybe you can replace Zelensky after he gets eliminated by the CIA!

Posted by: BM | Oct 4 2023 12:09 utc | 496

Mario. Your post. I have a Co2 meter in my house. Guess what ? It hardly ever goes above 350 ppm-370 ppm. I don’t think I have ever seen a 400 reading on average ever! However , it does go up to 1200-3000 ppm momentarily when my steam kettle goes off.
By the way, C02 is not the only thing that affects warming. So does a high level of methane, or even the hexafluoride used to wash silicon chips in those super-duper computer chips we all hear about.
Climate change is also affected by the albedo or the reflection sun light off the earth . With more and more deforestation and desertification, our world is getting lighter-coloured so all things being equal we may be entering a long – term cooling period. Read all that firewood chopped down in Africa, Europe west of Russia and even Siberia itself being plowed-under for arable land ; with a slight increase in temperature both more methane is given off by the permafrost and more land becomes lighter-coloured as the dark conifers are removed or die from the heat. So what will happen? Will we be net warmer with the extra methane given off or net cooler by much of NorthAsia losing its dark coniferous forests?

Posted by: Wondrous | Oct 4 2023 12:54 utc | 497

Mario. Your post. I have a Co2 meter in my house. Guess what ? It hardly ever goes above 350 ppm-370 ppm. I don’t think I have ever seen a 400 reading on average ever! However , it does go up to 1200-3000 ppm momentarily when my steam kettle goes off.
By the way, C02 is not the only thing that affects warming. So does a high level of methane, or even the hexafluoride used to wash silicon chips in those super-duper computer chips we all hear about.
Climate change is also affected by the albedo or the reflection sun light off the earth . With more and more deforestation and desertification, our world is getting lighter-coloured so all things being equal we may be entering a long – term cooling period. Read all that firewood chopped down in Africa, Europe west of Russia and even Siberia itself being plowed-under for arable land ; with a slight increase in temperature both more methane is given off by the permafrost and more land becomes lighter-coloured as the dark conifers are removed or die from the heat. So what will happen? Will we be net warmer with the extra methane given off or net cooler by much of NorthAsia losing its dark coniferous forests?

Posted by: Wondrous | Oct 4 2023 12:54 utc | 498

Climate discussion here is at kindergarten level.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 4 2023 10:44 utc | 238
Really?
Mankind was down to ONE female in our last ice age 20,000 years ago. Cold kills people-when the planet was warm it had more species and more varied species.
Global warming is a fact-we have had 6 ice ages over the course of 4 billion years and very time the world warms up after the ice age and fauna and flora proliferate; we are in that stage today.
BUT there is NO such thing as “Man Made Global Warming.
Where I live on the Northern bank of Lake Ontario-500 MM years ago the average temperature was over 80 degrees F. and there was 500% more C02 in the air -20,000 years ago there was a mile and a half of ice over my house.
Was that caused by Man Made Global warming-of course not!!
With ail due respect it is your thinking that is at Kindergarten level.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2023 13:03 utc | 499

Climate discussion here is at kindergarten level.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 4 2023 10:44 utc | 238
Really?
Mankind was down to ONE female in our last ice age 20,000 years ago. Cold kills people-when the planet was warm it had more species and more varied species.
Global warming is a fact-we have had 6 ice ages over the course of 4 billion years and very time the world warms up after the ice age and fauna and flora proliferate; we are in that stage today.
BUT there is NO such thing as “Man Made Global Warming.
Where I live on the Northern bank of Lake Ontario-500 MM years ago the average temperature was over 80 degrees F. and there was 500% more C02 in the air -20,000 years ago there was a mile and a half of ice over my house.
Was that caused by Man Made Global warming-of course not!!
With ail due respect it is your thinking that is at Kindergarten level.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 4 2023 13:03 utc | 500