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October 29, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-254
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@Mike R | Oct 31 2023 2:56 utc | 139
Although the Arabs are just sand or camel fucking Arabs, the Iranians are a different kettle of fish. They were the Persians previously, which means that Islam cannot completely lobotomize them. Proof that the Iranians are a more capable form of Muslim is the fact that the Russians credit them with finding some new scientific principals or other, the same principles which Russia now uses in some of its high end weaponry. This insight, the equations, are said to have reached an Iranian in his dreams, believe it or not. This was published in pravdareport a few years back.
Another more capable form of Muslim is the Turks, but they are utterly untrustworthy. Either Iran or Turkey can win in battle against the Israelis. Both those sides have in fact ruled over Jewish arse for long periods, longer than Israel has ever existed in its various guises in fact.
And even though the Arabs are useless, imagine what they could do with Russian weaponry. Ok, the Russian’s would have to run the airforce, artillery, most of the tanks, and the overall strategy, but all the Arabs would have to do is charge forward, something they don’t have a problem doing.
And shadowbanned is back, good stuff, now I’ll hear much more about what is going on in Russia, until he goes overboard again.
Posted by: gT | Oct 31 2023 6:52 utc | 301
@Mike R | Oct 31 2023 2:56 utc | 139
Although the Arabs are just sand or camel fucking Arabs, the Iranians are a different kettle of fish. They were the Persians previously, which means that Islam cannot completely lobotomize them. Proof that the Iranians are a more capable form of Muslim is the fact that the Russians credit them with finding some new scientific principals or other, the same principles which Russia now uses in some of its high end weaponry. This insight, the equations, are said to have reached an Iranian in his dreams, believe it or not. This was published in pravdareport a few years back.
Another more capable form of Muslim is the Turks, but they are utterly untrustworthy. Either Iran or Turkey can win in battle against the Israelis. Both those sides have in fact ruled over Jewish arse for long periods, longer than Israel has ever existed in its various guises in fact.
And even though the Arabs are useless, imagine what they could do with Russian weaponry. Ok, the Russian’s would have to run the airforce, artillery, most of the tanks, and the overall strategy, but all the Arabs would have to do is charge forward, something they don’t have a problem doing.
And shadowbanned is back, good stuff, now I’ll hear much more about what is going on in Russia, until he goes overboard again.
Posted by: gT | Oct 31 2023 6:52 utc | 302
As much as i hate the pessimistic doomsday tone of shadowbanned, rk and so on, they do have a point.
Us/uk/nato kill russian soldiers/mercs/civilians, and destroy russian assets, without getting punished. In their eyes, and many of them said as much, this war is a fantastic investment.
Zerohedge had an article or two about the profits the mic makes. Its disgusting. And its also a racket.
They dont care. As long as no nato standing army assets (i know, just for ease of writing) are beeing destroyed, this will continiue.
Ad long as there is an “ukraine“ left, this will continiue. There are so many smaller weapons in that country, granted much sold on the black market, that even if russia takes it all, there will be constant terrorism against civilians.
And if russia destroys the whole country, the “international community“ will (try) to make them a pariah indefinetly.
Nato does not care about ukraine, only that it can be used to hurt russia, whichever way it may end.
And as long as they dont feel the pain in real loss of personel/material (the money does not count, they will cheat their way trough this), they can say with plausible deniability, that they have nothing to do with this, and that they are the good guys.
Its disgusting, but it still works.
Brics have to get their stuff rolling, faster. Only then will the “pariah solution“ falter.
In my uneducated view.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 31 2023 7:26 utc | 303
As much as i hate the pessimistic doomsday tone of shadowbanned, rk and so on, they do have a point.
Us/uk/nato kill russian soldiers/mercs/civilians, and destroy russian assets, without getting punished. In their eyes, and many of them said as much, this war is a fantastic investment.
Zerohedge had an article or two about the profits the mic makes. Its disgusting. And its also a racket.
They dont care. As long as no nato standing army assets (i know, just for ease of writing) are beeing destroyed, this will continiue.
Ad long as there is an “ukraine“ left, this will continiue. There are so many smaller weapons in that country, granted much sold on the black market, that even if russia takes it all, there will be constant terrorism against civilians.
And if russia destroys the whole country, the “international community“ will (try) to make them a pariah indefinetly.
Nato does not care about ukraine, only that it can be used to hurt russia, whichever way it may end.
And as long as they dont feel the pain in real loss of personel/material (the money does not count, they will cheat their way trough this), they can say with plausible deniability, that they have nothing to do with this, and that they are the good guys.
Its disgusting, but it still works.
Brics have to get their stuff rolling, faster. Only then will the “pariah solution“ falter.
In my uneducated view.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 31 2023 7:26 utc | 304
Here’s a thought. Ukraine has made negotiation with Putin illegal and the West has told everyone for decades that Putin is the devil incarnate, so negotiation with him is impossible.
But of course, if Putin has died, there is no reason not to negotiate with his “body double”…
Are the psychotics it the State Dept. lunatic to try this?
Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 7:35 utc | 305
Here’s a thought. Ukraine has made negotiation with Putin illegal and the West has told everyone for decades that Putin is the devil incarnate, so negotiation with him is impossible.
But of course, if Putin has died, there is no reason not to negotiate with his “body double”…
Are the psychotics it the State Dept. lunatic to try this?
Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 7:35 utc | 306
@Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 31 2023 4:53 utc | 145
“in EVERY “clobber list” air force missions are noted !!!! — since first day”
This spring I found an Indian online newspaper article which mentioned that Shoigu said in a press conference, that the Russian Air Force flew 140’000 combat missions. Which at that time were a daily average of 360-370 combat missions per day.
Richard Steven Hack wrote as answer to my post that the Russian Air Force flies a daily approx. 150-200 strike missions. I’m no expert on this topic so I guess combat mission is not the same as strike mission. Furthermore I don’t know if this numbers included helicopters missions…
… what I’m trying to say is, of course you are right, that this is going on since the first day. Btw I searched for the article… but mostly I found articles “Russian Air Force destroyed…” “Ukrainian Air Force flew 14’000 missions…” They certainly make sure that you get mostly the information they want you to get… or maybe I just didn’t search long enough 😉
Posted by: NoName | Oct 31 2023 12:14 utc | 307
@Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 31 2023 4:53 utc | 145
“in EVERY “clobber list” air force missions are noted !!!! — since first day”
This spring I found an Indian online newspaper article which mentioned that Shoigu said in a press conference, that the Russian Air Force flew 140’000 combat missions. Which at that time were a daily average of 360-370 combat missions per day.
Richard Steven Hack wrote as answer to my post that the Russian Air Force flies a daily approx. 150-200 strike missions. I’m no expert on this topic so I guess combat mission is not the same as strike mission. Furthermore I don’t know if this numbers included helicopters missions…
… what I’m trying to say is, of course you are right, that this is going on since the first day. Btw I searched for the article… but mostly I found articles “Russian Air Force destroyed…” “Ukrainian Air Force flew 14’000 missions…” They certainly make sure that you get mostly the information they want you to get… or maybe I just didn’t search long enough 😉
Posted by: NoName | Oct 31 2023 12:14 utc | 308
@ shadowbanned, §§118, 119:
Dagestan is over six times the size of the Adygh republic, so it could easily be split into five similar ethnic/cultural republics based on language, viz. Avar, Tsez, Lak, Dargwa and Lezgian.
All the others are basically Turkish minorities (Nogai, Kumyk, etc.) whose Muslim, pan-Turkic sympathies, especially with the encouragement of Erdoğan, make them a bit of a Muslim fifth column.
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 31 2023 14:31 utc | 309
@ shadowbanned, §§118, 119:
Dagestan is over six times the size of the Adygh republic, so it could easily be split into five similar ethnic/cultural republics based on language, viz. Avar, Tsez, Lak, Dargwa and Lezgian.
All the others are basically Turkish minorities (Nogai, Kumyk, etc.) whose Muslim, pan-Turkic sympathies, especially with the encouragement of Erdoğan, make them a bit of a Muslim fifth column.
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 31 2023 14:31 utc | 310
+ §155:
An Avar-Tsez republic based at Xunzax, a Lak-Dargwa republic based at Aquša and a Lezgian republic based at Derbent would reduce the republics to just three, with Maxačkala the seaport of the Avar republic, Izberbaš the seaport of the Dargin republic and Derbent the seaport of the Lezgin republic. Each would average 10k sq. kms., considerably bigger than the Abkhaz republic.
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 31 2023 14:46 utc | 311
+ §155:
An Avar-Tsez republic based at Xunzax, a Lak-Dargwa republic based at Aquša and a Lezgian republic based at Derbent would reduce the republics to just three, with Maxačkala the seaport of the Avar republic, Izberbaš the seaport of the Dargin republic and Derbent the seaport of the Lezgin republic. Each would average 10k sq. kms., considerably bigger than the Abkhaz republic.
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 31 2023 14:46 utc | 312
https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.de.252ba22b-6541176e-5c159e2b-74722d776562/https/ukraina-ru.turbopages.org/ukraina.ru/s/20231030/1050620391.html
The encirclement of Avdiivka continues. Russian forces move Ukrainian artillery away from Donetsk.
The distance between the northern flank of the Russian forces, which are trying to encircle Avdiivka, and the southern flank is already less than 7 kilometers.
However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to transfer reinforcements to the Avdiivka front and now their group is about 35 thousand people. Reserves were transferred from near Chernihiv, Kupyansk and from the Zaporozhye front.
As he told the online publication Ukraine.
“First of all, our people, moving from the south, the locality of Vodiane, in the direction of Severny and Tonenky, took the area of the Avdiivka quarry. This is an artificial pond, which used to be a favorite place of recreation for residents of Donetsk and Avdiivka.
Posted by: AW | Oct 31 2023 15:08 utc | 313
https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.de.252ba22b-6541176e-5c159e2b-74722d776562/https/ukraina-ru.turbopages.org/ukraina.ru/s/20231030/1050620391.html
The encirclement of Avdiivka continues. Russian forces move Ukrainian artillery away from Donetsk.
The distance between the northern flank of the Russian forces, which are trying to encircle Avdiivka, and the southern flank is already less than 7 kilometers.
However, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to transfer reinforcements to the Avdiivka front and now their group is about 35 thousand people. Reserves were transferred from near Chernihiv, Kupyansk and from the Zaporozhye front.
As he told the online publication Ukraine.
“First of all, our people, moving from the south, the locality of Vodiane, in the direction of Severny and Tonenky, took the area of the Avdiivka quarry. This is an artificial pond, which used to be a favorite place of recreation for residents of Donetsk and Avdiivka.
Posted by: AW | Oct 31 2023 15:08 utc | 314
I mentioned it before, this is more important than it seems, here is another mention form TG,
Soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are increasingly voluntarily joining the Russian army . Each of them has their own story, but they are all confident that they made the right decision. Now the men are being trained at the center of the operational-combat tactical formation and are being prepared for combat operations
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71576
If Russia’s goal is to pacify the entire Ukraine then I expect to see more reports like this. If Russia wants a peaceful Ukraine on it’s border it will need to “liberate” Ukraine not “defeat” it. Russia can’t just make that up, it will need a partisan force, one that grows into a political movement and can deprogram the people there with legitimacy. These TG posts don’t pop out of nowhere, probably RF psyops and maybe a sign of a long term objective in the works, to turn the AFU around.
Given the state of the world, we are not headed towards a cold war but a hot war, I’d say there not much point for Russia to think small, a DMZ on the Dnieper and some half-assed Korean style cease fire with a war bent, agreement incapable west, even taking Kharkov and Odessa will not bring Russia any peace or stability. The Middle East exploding was the end of the SMO, Putin needs to think big like the Soviets did, I don’t think he needs me to tell him.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 18:23 utc | 315
I mentioned it before, this is more important than it seems, here is another mention form TG,
Soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are increasingly voluntarily joining the Russian army . Each of them has their own story, but they are all confident that they made the right decision. Now the men are being trained at the center of the operational-combat tactical formation and are being prepared for combat operations
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71576
If Russia’s goal is to pacify the entire Ukraine then I expect to see more reports like this. If Russia wants a peaceful Ukraine on it’s border it will need to “liberate” Ukraine not “defeat” it. Russia can’t just make that up, it will need a partisan force, one that grows into a political movement and can deprogram the people there with legitimacy. These TG posts don’t pop out of nowhere, probably RF psyops and maybe a sign of a long term objective in the works, to turn the AFU around.
Given the state of the world, we are not headed towards a cold war but a hot war, I’d say there not much point for Russia to think small, a DMZ on the Dnieper and some half-assed Korean style cease fire with a war bent, agreement incapable west, even taking Kharkov and Odessa will not bring Russia any peace or stability. The Middle East exploding was the end of the SMO, Putin needs to think big like the Soviets did, I don’t think he needs me to tell him.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 18:23 utc | 316
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 18:23 utc | 158
If that becomes a trend, and Russia eventually gets to start posting pictures and video of Western equipment getting turned over to the Russian side, then it would become a lot easier in America to argue for cutting aid to the Zelenskyy regime.
“We can’t afford another Afghanistan!” would make for a potent rallying cry.
The MIC enjoys and appreciates stability, and would likely be at least temporarily inconvenienced if Biden was replaced by a Republican, or the Governor of California, the somewhat liberal Gavin Newsom. If there’s a decent chance that Zelenskyy will be in the long and drawn out process of going down in flames during the election cycle, and election day, a time when the budget for the MIC is discussed, debated, and maybe even considered on the ballot, with the candidates as proxy, the MIC would want him out of the picture before then, and with him gone an arrangement made with Russia that would allow the MIC to declare victory without its media allies being unable to repeat that claim with a straight face.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 31 2023 18:41 utc | 317
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 18:23 utc | 158
If that becomes a trend, and Russia eventually gets to start posting pictures and video of Western equipment getting turned over to the Russian side, then it would become a lot easier in America to argue for cutting aid to the Zelenskyy regime.
“We can’t afford another Afghanistan!” would make for a potent rallying cry.
The MIC enjoys and appreciates stability, and would likely be at least temporarily inconvenienced if Biden was replaced by a Republican, or the Governor of California, the somewhat liberal Gavin Newsom. If there’s a decent chance that Zelenskyy will be in the long and drawn out process of going down in flames during the election cycle, and election day, a time when the budget for the MIC is discussed, debated, and maybe even considered on the ballot, with the candidates as proxy, the MIC would want him out of the picture before then, and with him gone an arrangement made with Russia that would allow the MIC to declare victory without its media allies being unable to repeat that claim with a straight face.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 31 2023 18:41 utc | 318
Babel-17 @ 159
I wonder if Newson is the representative of Silicon Valley capitalism push back to the neocon misadventure, it would be about time they spoke up, or their money did. California itself is I believe the world’s 7th largest economy and you could argue it’s part of the Asia Pacific. You would think California above all needs good relations with China and peace and stability in Asia. Guess we’ll know the score if Newson is in some way Russiagated, or piss taped, or Steele Dossiered, antisemitism baited, or has the primaries stolen outright.
On the other hand if he’s anointed to replace Biden might as well give up any hope for the non MIC, productive, industrial part of global corporate capitalism pushing back and coming to the rescue. Sad our only hope at this point is that instead of the international proletariat rising to save the world it has to be global corporate capitalism rising up to save itself from end stage derangement.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 319
Babel-17 @ 159
I wonder if Newson is the representative of Silicon Valley capitalism push back to the neocon misadventure, it would be about time they spoke up, or their money did. California itself is I believe the world’s 7th largest economy and you could argue it’s part of the Asia Pacific. You would think California above all needs good relations with China and peace and stability in Asia. Guess we’ll know the score if Newson is in some way Russiagated, or piss taped, or Steele Dossiered, antisemitism baited, or has the primaries stolen outright.
On the other hand if he’s anointed to replace Biden might as well give up any hope for the non MIC, productive, industrial part of global corporate capitalism pushing back and coming to the rescue. Sad our only hope at this point is that instead of the international proletariat rising to save the world it has to be global corporate capitalism rising up to save itself from end stage derangement.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 320
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 160
I hadn’t taken that into account, but it’s a great point about Newsom and the Pacific Rim silicon valley tech investor class.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 31 2023 19:41 utc | 321
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 160
I hadn’t taken that into account, but it’s a great point about Newsom and the Pacific Rim silicon valley tech investor class.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Oct 31 2023 19:41 utc | 322
LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 160
‘Old’ capital rules via energy resources, finance & military power.
‘New’ capital uses control of information networks.
(Debatable whether it’s still capitalism, or something else entirely.)
Posted by: smuks | Oct 31 2023 20:46 utc | 323
LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 160
‘Old’ capital rules via energy resources, finance & military power.
‘New’ capital uses control of information networks.
(Debatable whether it’s still capitalism, or something else entirely.)
Posted by: smuks | Oct 31 2023 20:46 utc | 324
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LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 160
‘Old’ capital rules via energy resources, finance & military power.
‘New’ capital uses control of information networks.
(Debatable whether it’s still capitalism, or something else entirely.)
Posted by: smuks | Oct 31 2023 20:46 utc | 162
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Capitalism, socialism, and communism have never existed and never will. All nations have had these things economists called mixed economies since the Roman era. The government does some things and private enterprise does the rest.
If Newson supports global private finance, he is no different than the “Old Capital” folks you write about…..and yes, I believe he is the new Blue team savior in the wings.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2023 21:14 utc | 325
In response to
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LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 160
‘Old’ capital rules via energy resources, finance & military power.
‘New’ capital uses control of information networks.
(Debatable whether it’s still capitalism, or something else entirely.)
Posted by: smuks | Oct 31 2023 20:46 utc | 162
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Capitalism, socialism, and communism have never existed and never will. All nations have had these things economists called mixed economies since the Roman era. The government does some things and private enterprise does the rest.
If Newson supports global private finance, he is no different than the “Old Capital” folks you write about…..and yes, I believe he is the new Blue team savior in the wings.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2023 21:14 utc | 326
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 160
The Silicon Valley billionaires enthusiastically helped the Democrats ‘fortify’ the election, select a corrupt neocon puppet and then protect him from investigation. Newson is as fundamentally corrupt, with a legacy that millions of Californians have, or are trying to runaway from. The ‘hope’ you speak of is a proletariat revolution US style, with those corporations, MIC, intel-agencies and Uni-party grifters firmly in the sights of people who feel deceived and betrayed. The movement grows from strength to strength, fuelled by foreign misadventures, grotesque corruption and destruction of national institutions and the kabuki theatre of club politics revealed. Replace Lenin’s cap with a MAGA one and you begin to see a fascinating turnaround, of course the ‘usual-suspects’ and rent-quote academics will moan and gnash their teeth (when do they ever stop), but they forget that revolutions are not the sole-province of the Left.
Posted by: Milites | Oct 31 2023 21:15 utc | 327
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 19:12 utc | 160
The Silicon Valley billionaires enthusiastically helped the Democrats ‘fortify’ the election, select a corrupt neocon puppet and then protect him from investigation. Newson is as fundamentally corrupt, with a legacy that millions of Californians have, or are trying to runaway from. The ‘hope’ you speak of is a proletariat revolution US style, with those corporations, MIC, intel-agencies and Uni-party grifters firmly in the sights of people who feel deceived and betrayed. The movement grows from strength to strength, fuelled by foreign misadventures, grotesque corruption and destruction of national institutions and the kabuki theatre of club politics revealed. Replace Lenin’s cap with a MAGA one and you begin to see a fascinating turnaround, of course the ‘usual-suspects’ and rent-quote academics will moan and gnash their teeth (when do they ever stop), but they forget that revolutions are not the sole-province of the Left.
Posted by: Milites | Oct 31 2023 21:15 utc | 328
smuks @ 162
‘New’ capital uses control of information networks (Debatable whether it’s still capitalism, or something else entirely.)
Varoufakis tags it techno-feudalism, which might seems obvious but Varoufakis’s point, he usually cites Amazon, is that it is absolutely not capitalism. Which leads into Milites’s comment and might explain why the sane part of capitalism isn’t pushing back against the insane self destructive part. Because capitalism no longer exists, at least in the west. Which is unsettling, there’s no going back.
Milites @ 164
“Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right…” Agree completely and it’s ugly any way you look at it, MAGA vs Woke with MAGA to the rescue is terrifying, only (small) hope with that is the fundamentally anarchist armed to teeth inchoate USA proletariat will clusterfuck the state fascism, but more likely it’ll usher in something like the Handmaid’s Tale. I’ve absolutely no idea what Europe’s hope is other than to break up any way possible.
I place all my hope in Communism with Chinese Characteristics 🙃
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 22:21 utc | 329
smuks @ 162
‘New’ capital uses control of information networks (Debatable whether it’s still capitalism, or something else entirely.)
Varoufakis tags it techno-feudalism, which might seems obvious but Varoufakis’s point, he usually cites Amazon, is that it is absolutely not capitalism. Which leads into Milites’s comment and might explain why the sane part of capitalism isn’t pushing back against the insane self destructive part. Because capitalism no longer exists, at least in the west. Which is unsettling, there’s no going back.
Milites @ 164
“Clowns to the left of me jokers to the right…” Agree completely and it’s ugly any way you look at it, MAGA vs Woke with MAGA to the rescue is terrifying, only (small) hope with that is the fundamentally anarchist armed to teeth inchoate USA proletariat will clusterfuck the state fascism, but more likely it’ll usher in something like the Handmaid’s Tale. I’ve absolutely no idea what Europe’s hope is other than to break up any way possible.
I place all my hope in Communism with Chinese Characteristics 🙃
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 22:21 utc | 330
@ Milites | Oct 31 2023 21:15 utc | 164
Where was your proletarian revolution during the crushing of the working-class by the “deindustrialization”/”financialization”/”globalization” of the US in the 1980s?
That bus left the station forty years ago.
Everything “proletarian” since has been bourgeois facsimile, subversion and virtue-signaling.
Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 31 2023 22:42 utc | 331
@ Milites | Oct 31 2023 21:15 utc | 164
Where was your proletarian revolution during the crushing of the working-class by the “deindustrialization”/”financialization”/”globalization” of the US in the 1980s?
That bus left the station forty years ago.
Everything “proletarian” since has been bourgeois facsimile, subversion and virtue-signaling.
Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 31 2023 22:42 utc | 332
Further thought, riffing on Varoufakis, over the last 40ys of the Great Decline everyone, in the west at least, wonders where’s the peace movement, where’s the labor movement, and it’s all coming to a head since COVID and the SMO. Maybe the answer is that there’s no organized call for socialist or even progressive reform because there is no proletariat – because there is no more capitalism, the transition already happened and nobody noticed. There’s a good doctorate thesis there for someone.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 22:47 utc | 333
Further thought, riffing on Varoufakis, over the last 40ys of the Great Decline everyone, in the west at least, wonders where’s the peace movement, where’s the labor movement, and it’s all coming to a head since COVID and the SMO. Maybe the answer is that there’s no organized call for socialist or even progressive reform because there is no proletariat – because there is no more capitalism, the transition already happened and nobody noticed. There’s a good doctorate thesis there for someone.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 31 2023 22:47 utc | 334
Thanks JohninMK for all the info on the pipelines. Does MK mean Macedonia?
Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2023 4:17 utc | 143
No its MK in England.
An interesting aspect of the NG pipelines exiting Turkey is that it is really difficult to tell where the gas originated from as it is effectively blended together within the Turkish pipeline network. So when say Serbia buys gas from Russia that gas will enter Turkey but it will not know (neither will any sanctioning Russia authority) if it is receiving actual Russian gas. The purchased Russian gas may be used in Turkey.
Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 1 2023 0:28 utc | 335
Thanks JohninMK for all the info on the pipelines. Does MK mean Macedonia?
Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2023 4:17 utc | 143
No its MK in England.
An interesting aspect of the NG pipelines exiting Turkey is that it is really difficult to tell where the gas originated from as it is effectively blended together within the Turkish pipeline network. So when say Serbia buys gas from Russia that gas will enter Turkey but it will not know (neither will any sanctioning Russia authority) if it is receiving actual Russian gas. The purchased Russian gas may be used in Turkey.
Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 1 2023 0:28 utc | 336
Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 31 2023 22:42 utc | 166
Plenty of Reagan Democrats, or are you talking about the world proletariat, in which case screw them were ok, probably explains the mood in the 80’s. The proletariat revolution, building now in the US has the potential to write another chapter in Americas history, offering a tantalising glimpse of the possibility of a country resetting itself. The crony capitalism that emerged from 90’s, fuelled by the corruption of the education system, seems now to be in terminal decline, as it has abandoned fiduciary duty for ESG priorities, whilst DEI has replaced meritocracy, eliminating two of its strongest assets.
As for MAGA v Woke, the former every time, the latter are near psychotic, tinpot dictators (Personal experience of witnessing their toxicity at work). As for Chinese Communism, you might want to sit down and have a chat about the experiences of some of its former members/inmates before you sign on the dotted line. Also, some leftists equate Chinese Communism with capitalism, so are you saying you want capitalism to be more equitable?
The death/transformation of capitalism was being discussed by the Harvard Business Review as long ago as the late ‘90’s, linking it to many diverse topics such as the decline in spiritual values to its success in the Cold-War and everything in between, with the ‘death of the working class’ also linked as a topic.
Posted by: Milites | Nov 1 2023 0:55 utc | 337
Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 31 2023 22:42 utc | 166
Plenty of Reagan Democrats, or are you talking about the world proletariat, in which case screw them were ok, probably explains the mood in the 80’s. The proletariat revolution, building now in the US has the potential to write another chapter in Americas history, offering a tantalising glimpse of the possibility of a country resetting itself. The crony capitalism that emerged from 90’s, fuelled by the corruption of the education system, seems now to be in terminal decline, as it has abandoned fiduciary duty for ESG priorities, whilst DEI has replaced meritocracy, eliminating two of its strongest assets.
As for MAGA v Woke, the former every time, the latter are near psychotic, tinpot dictators (Personal experience of witnessing their toxicity at work). As for Chinese Communism, you might want to sit down and have a chat about the experiences of some of its former members/inmates before you sign on the dotted line. Also, some leftists equate Chinese Communism with capitalism, so are you saying you want capitalism to be more equitable?
The death/transformation of capitalism was being discussed by the Harvard Business Review as long ago as the late ‘90’s, linking it to many diverse topics such as the decline in spiritual values to its success in the Cold-War and everything in between, with the ‘death of the working class’ also linked as a topic.
Posted by: Milites | Nov 1 2023 0:55 utc | 338
Some videos for today.
Russian artillery pounds enemy positions near Belogorovka:
https://rutube.ru/video/e4295b215e14030ee3f60a22c9ae5400/
Russian drone destroys another enemy tank:
https://rutube.ru/video/51b8ceac0ecb6c51bbd6dc2baeb8c148/
Another Leopard 2A6 bites the dust:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/K55eU4o1wiWswU:6
Russian self-propelled howitzer strikes enemy position near Krasny Liman:
https://rutube.ru/video/6144727b48179dc8204f46717fabb67f/
Russian ATGM destroys another US-supplied Bradley infantry fighting vehicle:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20231031_125507_477:b
Russian Su-34 conducts airstrike on enemy position in Kherson oblast:
https://rutube.ru/video/f3fd6277d4ccdce50c4fecf961a4c930/
Posted by: Nate | Nov 1 2023 1:13 utc | 339
Some videos for today.
Russian artillery pounds enemy positions near Belogorovka:
https://rutube.ru/video/e4295b215e14030ee3f60a22c9ae5400/
Russian drone destroys another enemy tank:
https://rutube.ru/video/51b8ceac0ecb6c51bbd6dc2baeb8c148/
Another Leopard 2A6 bites the dust:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/K55eU4o1wiWswU:6
Russian self-propelled howitzer strikes enemy position near Krasny Liman:
https://rutube.ru/video/6144727b48179dc8204f46717fabb67f/
Russian ATGM destroys another US-supplied Bradley infantry fighting vehicle:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20231031_125507_477:b
Russian Su-34 conducts airstrike on enemy position in Kherson oblast:
https://rutube.ru/video/f3fd6277d4ccdce50c4fecf961a4c930/
Posted by: Nate | Nov 1 2023 1:13 utc | 340
“Blinken Says US Needs to Fund Wars in Ukraine, Gaza Because of China”
One really is at a loss for words in the face of such corrupt and cruel fatuity.
We passed Vietnam levels of lying and derangement years ago.
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/31/blinken-says-us-needs-to-fund-wars-in-ukraine-gaza-because-of-china/
Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 1 2023 11:31 utc | 341
“Blinken Says US Needs to Fund Wars in Ukraine, Gaza Because of China”
One really is at a loss for words in the face of such corrupt and cruel fatuity.
We passed Vietnam levels of lying and derangement years ago.
https://news.antiwar.com/2023/10/31/blinken-says-us-needs-to-fund-wars-in-ukraine-gaza-because-of-china/
Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 1 2023 11:31 utc | 342
Cynic @141: “Just how could so many Americans end up as fanatically Zio-worshipping planks?”
This is strange to me since all of the “Southern right-wing deplorables” that I know are fairly disdainful of any religion, and they are certainly not pro-Israel for that crazy Rapture nonsense. All of the ones I know mistakenly believe the Zionists are the victims and the underdogs. They support Israel out of a mistaken – to the point of inversion – sense of justice. They are ambivalent about the proxy war in the Ukraine because they buy into the narrative that Russia is a weak and backward “gas station with nukes”. Since they correctly understand that Russia, economically, is just a faint ghost of the Soviet Union, they assume their nukes are old and rusty and probably won’t work anyway. In any case, the Soviet Union caved and threw in the towel when Ronald Reagan slapped them in the face with his dick, and Russia being dramatically weaker than the USSR will do likewise when pushed. That is the perspective of the “Southern right-wing deplorables” that I know.
On the other hand, they see Arabs as nasty and despicable bullies, barely any different from criminals. Remember the oil embargo? A surprising number of “deplorables” do. They don’t understand any context, but they see Arabs as thieves, cheats, and crooked dealers, sorta the way many people see Jews in fact, with the difference being that most Jews make an effort to pretend to be civilized, at least when they are not chewing the foreskins off babies… that freaks the “deplorables” out pretty seriously.
Of course, I don’t hang around mega-churches or anything like that, so my circle of acquaintances might not be representative of the American South as a whole, but I don’t see religion as having that big of an influence on American working class geopolitical perspectives.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2023 13:06 utc | 343
Cynic @141: “Just how could so many Americans end up as fanatically Zio-worshipping planks?”
This is strange to me since all of the “Southern right-wing deplorables” that I know are fairly disdainful of any religion, and they are certainly not pro-Israel for that crazy Rapture nonsense. All of the ones I know mistakenly believe the Zionists are the victims and the underdogs. They support Israel out of a mistaken – to the point of inversion – sense of justice. They are ambivalent about the proxy war in the Ukraine because they buy into the narrative that Russia is a weak and backward “gas station with nukes”. Since they correctly understand that Russia, economically, is just a faint ghost of the Soviet Union, they assume their nukes are old and rusty and probably won’t work anyway. In any case, the Soviet Union caved and threw in the towel when Ronald Reagan slapped them in the face with his dick, and Russia being dramatically weaker than the USSR will do likewise when pushed. That is the perspective of the “Southern right-wing deplorables” that I know.
On the other hand, they see Arabs as nasty and despicable bullies, barely any different from criminals. Remember the oil embargo? A surprising number of “deplorables” do. They don’t understand any context, but they see Arabs as thieves, cheats, and crooked dealers, sorta the way many people see Jews in fact, with the difference being that most Jews make an effort to pretend to be civilized, at least when they are not chewing the foreskins off babies… that freaks the “deplorables” out pretty seriously.
Of course, I don’t hang around mega-churches or anything like that, so my circle of acquaintances might not be representative of the American South as a whole, but I don’t see religion as having that big of an influence on American working class geopolitical perspectives.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2023 13:06 utc | 344
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2023 13:06 utc | 172
My experience is the complete inversion of yours, which is always the problem with anecdotal evidence. Then again, I lived in Israel, worked with both Israelis and Arabs and know MAGA ‘deplorables’ from a wide spectrum of US society. As regards Ukraine and Russia, most MAGA cyber-watering holes I frequent (The Treehouse being the one on the pulse of the revolution) think US involvement in the region is disastrous and will often link to articles picked up by this website. Here’s an example from a couple of days ago.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/10/31/zelenskyy-official-admits-people-are-stealing-like-theres-no-tomorrow/
Posted by: Milites | Nov 1 2023 16:58 utc | 345
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 1 2023 13:06 utc | 172
My experience is the complete inversion of yours, which is always the problem with anecdotal evidence. Then again, I lived in Israel, worked with both Israelis and Arabs and know MAGA ‘deplorables’ from a wide spectrum of US society. As regards Ukraine and Russia, most MAGA cyber-watering holes I frequent (The Treehouse being the one on the pulse of the revolution) think US involvement in the region is disastrous and will often link to articles picked up by this website. Here’s an example from a couple of days ago.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/10/31/zelenskyy-official-admits-people-are-stealing-like-theres-no-tomorrow/
Posted by: Milites | Nov 1 2023 16:58 utc | 346
[Nov 1 @0:55] Clarification of the term ‘woke’ follows. “Woke is the corporate ideology needed to proclaim that capitalism produces just economic distribution. As long as there is equality of opportunity, defined through diversity –Rob Urie”
Posted by: Ben Trovata | Nov 1 2023 23:34 utc | 347
[Nov 1 @0:55] Clarification of the term ‘woke’ follows. “Woke is the corporate ideology needed to proclaim that capitalism produces just economic distribution. As long as there is equality of opportunity, defined through diversity –Rob Urie”
Posted by: Ben Trovata | Nov 1 2023 23:34 utc | 348
Over the decades on the news, docos whatever we have been told Nato Names for Soviet, then Russian aircraft, tanks and weapons systems. The talking heads say the name like its a ritualistic act, a taking away of Soviet Russia ownership. Names like Felon, Forger, Fagot, Fishcan. Sure they had to start with F for Fighter, but they pick derogatory names. A better sysem would have been F then assending letters and numbers like F1a, F1b.
Anyways as the USA is collapsing before our very eyes Im starting a list of ideas for Public code names of US weapon systems, feel free to ad. F35 The sparrow? It looks like a sparrow. It doesnt look wow or fearsome or just plain Majestic like the SU’s. Its one ugly plane made by a committee. The Pissant? This plane may be the death knell for a war. Its got so many things wrong with it. Its a lemon and the US and its allies have paid mountains of money for what many predict is a dud.
The Patriot? The Wanker.
Posted by: JakJones | Nov 2 2023 4:09 utc | 349
Over the decades on the news, docos whatever we have been told Nato Names for Soviet, then Russian aircraft, tanks and weapons systems. The talking heads say the name like its a ritualistic act, a taking away of Soviet Russia ownership. Names like Felon, Forger, Fagot, Fishcan. Sure they had to start with F for Fighter, but they pick derogatory names. A better sysem would have been F then assending letters and numbers like F1a, F1b.
Anyways as the USA is collapsing before our very eyes Im starting a list of ideas for Public code names of US weapon systems, feel free to ad. F35 The sparrow? It looks like a sparrow. It doesnt look wow or fearsome or just plain Majestic like the SU’s. Its one ugly plane made by a committee. The Pissant? This plane may be the death knell for a war. Its got so many things wrong with it. Its a lemon and the US and its allies have paid mountains of money for what many predict is a dud.
The Patriot? The Wanker.
Posted by: JakJones | Nov 2 2023 4:09 utc | 350
Ukraine’s top general reveals the situation of AFU on the frontline
The commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Valery Zaluzhny, has unexpectedly decided to tell the British magazine The Economist about the reasons for Ukraine’s failure on the battlefield.
“If you look at nato’s text books and at the maths which we did [in planning the counter-offensive], four months should have been enough time for us to have reached Crimea, to have fought in Crimea, to return from Crimea and to have gone back in and out again,” The commander-in-chief said. Following these words, the author of the article noted that instead of reaching Crimea, the AFU got stuck in minefields near Artemovsk and in the direction of Zaporozhye, where Western equipment was destroyed by the artillery of the Russian Armed Forces.
“First I thought there was something wrong with our commanders, so I changed some of them. Then I thought maybe our soldiers are not fit for purpose, so I moved soldiers in some brigades,” said the general, admitting that these reshuffles were useless.
The man publicly admits his own incompetence and even the ineffectiveness of NATO’s methods. To ask for more money and weapons for Kiev regime, of course.
“This means that arms supplied by the West have been sufficient in sustaining Ukraine in the war, but not enough to allow it to win.
In order for us to break this deadlock we need something new, like the gunpowder which the Chinese invented and which we are still using to kill each other.
We need to look for this solution, we need to find this gunpowder, quickly master it and use it for a speedy victory. Because sooner or later we are going to find that we simply don’t have enough people to fight.”
At first I wondered if Zaluzhny was a Russian agent, but much more likely he is an integral part of The Ukraine Racket™️
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Nov 2 2023 11:41 utc | 351
Ukraine’s top general reveals the situation of AFU on the frontline
The commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Valery Zaluzhny, has unexpectedly decided to tell the British magazine The Economist about the reasons for Ukraine’s failure on the battlefield.
“If you look at nato’s text books and at the maths which we did [in planning the counter-offensive], four months should have been enough time for us to have reached Crimea, to have fought in Crimea, to return from Crimea and to have gone back in and out again,” The commander-in-chief said. Following these words, the author of the article noted that instead of reaching Crimea, the AFU got stuck in minefields near Artemovsk and in the direction of Zaporozhye, where Western equipment was destroyed by the artillery of the Russian Armed Forces.
“First I thought there was something wrong with our commanders, so I changed some of them. Then I thought maybe our soldiers are not fit for purpose, so I moved soldiers in some brigades,” said the general, admitting that these reshuffles were useless.
The man publicly admits his own incompetence and even the ineffectiveness of NATO’s methods. To ask for more money and weapons for Kiev regime, of course.
“This means that arms supplied by the West have been sufficient in sustaining Ukraine in the war, but not enough to allow it to win.
In order for us to break this deadlock we need something new, like the gunpowder which the Chinese invented and which we are still using to kill each other.
We need to look for this solution, we need to find this gunpowder, quickly master it and use it for a speedy victory. Because sooner or later we are going to find that we simply don’t have enough people to fight.”
At first I wondered if Zaluzhny was a Russian agent, but much more likely he is an integral part of The Ukraine Racket™️
Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Nov 2 2023 11:41 utc | 352
With the RF pincers to its west now only four miles apart, Avdeyevka is effectually encircled, the remaining gap lying under RF drone and artillery and being actively contested.
See the SF November First map.
Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 2 2023 12:27 utc | 353
With the RF pincers to its west now only four miles apart, Avdeyevka is effectually encircled, the remaining gap lying under RF drone and artillery and being actively contested.
See the SF November First map.
Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 2 2023 12:27 utc | 354
Lev Davidovich | Nov 2 2023 11:41 utc | 176
*** At first I wondered if Zaluzhny was a Russian agent, but much more likely he is an integral part of The Ukraine Racket™️ ***
Perhaps a little unfair to Zaluzhny. He’s been over-ruled by Kiev, London and Washington so often — usually with failure as the result — that it is difficult to tell how he would have conducted the war if really allowed to direct it.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 355
Lev Davidovich | Nov 2 2023 11:41 utc | 176
*** At first I wondered if Zaluzhny was a Russian agent, but much more likely he is an integral part of The Ukraine Racket™️ ***
Perhaps a little unfair to Zaluzhny. He’s been over-ruled by Kiev, London and Washington so often — usually with failure as the result — that it is difficult to tell how he would have conducted the war if really allowed to direct it.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 356
@ Lev Davidovich | Nov 2 2023 11:41 utc | 176
@ Cynic | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 178
Let’s hope his somewhat bizarre gunpowder reference wasn’t an allusion to biowarfare.
Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 2 2023 15:29 utc | 357
@ Lev Davidovich | Nov 2 2023 11:41 utc | 176
@ Cynic | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 178
Let’s hope his somewhat bizarre gunpowder reference wasn’t an allusion to biowarfare.
Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 2 2023 15:29 utc | 358
Any reliable source on russian military dead at this point? Trying to find the non-propaganda number
Posted by: Zero | Nov 2 2023 21:54 utc | 359
Any reliable source on russian military dead at this point? Trying to find the non-propaganda number
Posted by: Zero | Nov 2 2023 21:54 utc | 360