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October 29, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-254
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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It seems that Ukraine is advancing over Dniepr due to teh errors of the previous Russian commander. Posted by: zorge | Oct 30 2023 21:05 utc | 201 It seems that Ukraine is advancing over Dniepr due to teh errors of the previous Russian commander. Posted by: zorge | Oct 30 2023 21:05 utc | 202 We were expecting a big offensive this fall, but there is still a shortage of shots and competencies. In the near future we can predict the capture of Avdeevka, or Kupyansk, or, if you are very lucky, Orekhov. I wouldn’t count on more. Although there is little hope that before the elections the army will try to give the president a big victory like the liberation of Kherson. But in an operation of this scale, there are just as many risks as there are benefits. The probability is below average. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:12 utc | 203 We were expecting a big offensive this fall, but there is still a shortage of shots and competencies. In the near future we can predict the capture of Avdeevka, or Kupyansk, or, if you are very lucky, Orekhov. I wouldn’t count on more. Although there is little hope that before the elections the army will try to give the president a big victory like the liberation of Kherson. But in an operation of this scale, there are just as many risks as there are benefits. The probability is below average. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:12 utc | 204 pessimist @ 81 / newbie @ 97 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:17 utc | 205 pessimist @ 81 / newbie @ 97 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:17 utc | 206 An interesting aspect of the Gaza resupply by US/NATO to Israel is that it is quite likely to be very different from Ukraine. Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 30 2023 21:22 utc | 207 An interesting aspect of the Gaza resupply by US/NATO to Israel is that it is quite likely to be very different from Ukraine. Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 30 2023 21:22 utc | 208 65 comments on the Ukraine thread. Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 30 2023 21:26 utc | 209 65 comments on the Ukraine thread. Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 30 2023 21:26 utc | 210 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:12 utc | 102 Posted by: Milites | Oct 30 2023 21:29 utc | 211 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:12 utc | 102 Posted by: Milites | Oct 30 2023 21:29 utc | 212
Yes, Washington and it’s malleable public can go back to their dependable old nemesis and scapegoat, the Muslim world, that fits the US blame game mentality like a comfortable old shoe. The evil Russians did have some historical cold war cred, but nothing like the enmity that Islam generates among the Zionist Christians and their apocalyptic world view. Ukraine? What Ukraine. Posted by: Mike R | Oct 30 2023 21:33 utc | 213
Yes, Washington and it’s malleable public can go back to their dependable old nemesis and scapegoat, the Muslim world, that fits the US blame game mentality like a comfortable old shoe. The evil Russians did have some historical cold war cred, but nothing like the enmity that Islam generates among the Zionist Christians and their apocalyptic world view. Ukraine? What Ukraine. Posted by: Mike R | Oct 30 2023 21:33 utc | 214 An analysis of the method used by Russia to down StormShadow Missiles… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 30 2023 21:41 utc | 215 An analysis of the method used by Russia to down StormShadow Missiles… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 30 2023 21:41 utc | 216 Regarding the 4* SU attack on Crimea using 8 storm shadows: that sounds like a suicidal mission if the planes came out of Western Ukraine. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Oct 30 2023 21:43 utc | 217 Regarding the 4* SU attack on Crimea using 8 storm shadows: that sounds like a suicidal mission if the planes came out of Western Ukraine. Posted by: scepticalSOB | Oct 30 2023 21:43 utc | 218 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:12 utc | 102 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:53 utc | 219 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:12 utc | 102 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:53 utc | 220 Posted by: Mike R | Oct 30 2023 21:33 utc | 107 Posted by: Milites | Oct 30 2023 22:00 utc | 221 Posted by: Mike R | Oct 30 2023 21:33 utc | 107 Posted by: Milites | Oct 30 2023 22:00 utc | 222
This is how it is supposed to work, it isn’t some marvelous novel ingenuity. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:11 utc | 223
This is how it is supposed to work, it isn’t some marvelous novel ingenuity. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:11 utc | 224 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:53 utc | 110 Posted by: Milites | Oct 30 2023 22:15 utc | 225 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 21:53 utc | 110 Posted by: Milites | Oct 30 2023 22:15 utc | 226 Not quite how the Russians use a correlation of forces and means approach, they already know the likely butchers bill beforehand, as all the previous 20+ months operational outcomes have been thoroughly digested (the Ukrainian offensive provided a lot of missing pieces); but I agree that this is the testing time, albeit with different connotations for both sides. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 22:22 utc | 227 Not quite how the Russians use a correlation of forces and means approach, they already know the likely butchers bill beforehand, as all the previous 20+ months operational outcomes have been thoroughly digested (the Ukrainian offensive provided a lot of missing pieces); but I agree that this is the testing time, albeit with different connotations for both sides. Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 22:22 utc | 228
More likely they take off from Romania/Poland, touch down in Starokonstantinov to refuel and load missiles (or maybe not even that, just to refuel make it look like they are taking off from there), then launch the missiles, touch down briefly at another airfield to refuel, then bail out to NATO territory safety as quickly as possible. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:23 utc | 229
More likely they take off from Romania/Poland, touch down in Starokonstantinov to refuel and load missiles (or maybe not even that, just to refuel make it look like they are taking off from there), then launch the missiles, touch down briefly at another airfield to refuel, then bail out to NATO territory safety as quickly as possible. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:23 utc | 230 Finance minister asked for money for 132.000 Kia when the number wasn’t even 50.000 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 22:24 utc | 231 Finance minister asked for money for 132.000 Kia when the number wasn’t even 50.000 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 22:24 utc | 232
Wishful thinking. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:34 utc | 233
Wishful thinking. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:34 utc | 234
The problem with Dagestan, and probably the reason it was created as the current joint mess of ethnicities, is that it is just way too mixed and diverse. Maybe they could have carved out separate republics for e.g. Lezgyns, Nogais, Avars, and a couple others, but the other more than a dozen groups are just too small for that, and they are also very mixed geographically, so it’s hard. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:45 utc | 235
The problem with Dagestan, and probably the reason it was created as the current joint mess of ethnicities, is that it is just way too mixed and diverse. Maybe they could have carved out separate republics for e.g. Lezgyns, Nogais, Avars, and a couple others, but the other more than a dozen groups are just too small for that, and they are also very mixed geographically, so it’s hard. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:45 utc | 236
The problem with Dagestan, and probably the reason it was created as the current joint mess of ethnicities, is that it is just way too mixed and diverse. Maybe they could have carved out separate republics for e.g. Lezgyns, Nogais, Avars, and a couple others, but the other more than a dozen groups are just too small for that, and they are also very mixed geographically, so it’s hard. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:45 utc | 237
The problem with Dagestan, and probably the reason it was created as the current joint mess of ethnicities, is that it is just way too mixed and diverse. Maybe they could have carved out separate republics for e.g. Lezgyns, Nogais, Avars, and a couple others, but the other more than a dozen groups are just too small for that, and they are also very mixed geographically, so it’s hard. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:45 utc | 238
Wishful thinking again. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:46 utc | 239
Wishful thinking again. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:46 utc | 240
Exactly. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:52 utc | 241
Exactly. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:52 utc | 242 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:52 utc | 120, 119, 118, 117, 115, 112, Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 23:12 utc | 243 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 22:52 utc | 120, 119, 118, 117, 115, 112, Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 23:12 utc | 244 Alastair Crooke: The Deterrence Paradigm has Failed. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 30 2023 23:25 utc | 245 Alastair Crooke: The Deterrence Paradigm has Failed. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 30 2023 23:25 utc | 246 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 22:22 utc | 114 Posted by: Milites | Oct 30 2023 23:34 utc | 249 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 22:22 utc | 114 Posted by: Milites | Oct 30 2023 23:34 utc | 250 it should have been cut off completely even without physically encircling it. And yet… Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 23:38 utc | 251 it should have been cut off completely even without physically encircling it. And yet… Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 23:38 utc | 252
The most fortified place on Earth is not ideal for that purpose though… Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 23:40 utc | 253
The most fortified place on Earth is not ideal for that purpose though… Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 23:40 utc | 254 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 22:22 utc | 114 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 23:44 utc | 255 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 22:22 utc | 114 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 23:44 utc | 256
So we have now lowered the bar to “at least they are not attacking Russia’s strategic assets with cruise missiles daily”. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 23:45 utc | 257
So we have now lowered the bar to “at least they are not attacking Russia’s strategic assets with cruise missiles daily”. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 23:45 utc | 258 The most fortified place on Earth is not ideal for that purpose though… Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 23:46 utc | 259 The most fortified place on Earth is not ideal for that purpose though… Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 23:46 utc | 260 Not even the simple and obvious things are done to respond, e.g. to send a few Tornado-S to Syria with a few hundred missiles and destroy the absolutely illegal US bases there under the pretense that it was not done by Russia. Too scared to to do even that… Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 23:50 utc | 261 Not even the simple and obvious things are done to respond, e.g. to send a few Tornado-S to Syria with a few hundred missiles and destroy the absolutely illegal US bases there under the pretense that it was not done by Russia. Too scared to to do even that… Posted by: Newbie | Oct 30 2023 23:50 utc | 262 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 23:45 utc | 128 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 0:01 utc | 263 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 30 2023 23:45 utc | 128 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 0:01 utc | 264 BTW AFU loosing massively in adveevka Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:04 utc | 265 BTW AFU loosing massively in adveevka Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:04 utc | 266 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 0:01 utc | 131 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:07 utc | 267 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 0:01 utc | 131 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:07 utc | 268 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:04 utc | 132 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 0:11 utc | 269 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:04 utc | 132 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 0:11 utc | 270 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:04 utc | 132 Posted by: newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:27 utc | 271 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:04 utc | 132 Posted by: newbie | Oct 31 2023 0:27 utc | 272 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Oct 31 2023 0:31 utc | 273 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Oct 31 2023 0:31 utc | 274 Not true – many around here claimed Russia would be in Lemberg/Lviv/Lvov 12 months ago so easily would they roll over the AFU – which obviously didn’t happen. Posted by: smuks | Oct 31 2023 1:21 utc | 275 Not true – many around here claimed Russia would be in Lemberg/Lviv/Lvov 12 months ago so easily would they roll over the AFU – which obviously didn’t happen. Posted by: smuks | Oct 31 2023 1:21 utc | 276
Plenty of people claimed it early in the SMO, and it could have been done much easier had the SMO started with 500K instead of 190K manpower. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 31 2023 2:15 utc | 277
Plenty of people claimed it early in the SMO, and it could have been done much easier had the SMO started with 500K instead of 190K manpower. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Oct 31 2023 2:15 utc | 278
Simplicius’ latest post examines the religious footing that all the potentially relevant players in the Israeli/Palestine conflict are assuming, which covers all the Abrahamic religions. While Russia/china present far more of a potential threat in their actual military capability than does any Middle Eastern country, the perceived threat of Islam has more resonance with much of the American public, fundamentalist Christian to the hilt. Given that many congresscritters are also in the cult it’s hard for them to resist exploiting the paranoid sentiments of their constituents, like they did some years ago with the nonsense about Sharia law being implemented in the US. The actual threat that comes from Russia and China is their ability to rally much of the world with them and end US financial hegemony, IMO, leaving the US a much poorer nation whose newfound economic status would reflect its actual productive output and put most of the politicians out of office. Of course that concept goes over the heads of most people, so public sentiment will be moved by either religious zealotry or fear of the military capabilities of a peer competitor. Either way, America needs an enemy in order to have an identity, it’s what makes the US tick. Posted by: Mike R | Oct 31 2023 2:56 utc | 279
Simplicius’ latest post examines the religious footing that all the potentially relevant players in the Israeli/Palestine conflict are assuming, which covers all the Abrahamic religions. While Russia/china present far more of a potential threat in their actual military capability than does any Middle Eastern country, the perceived threat of Islam has more resonance with much of the American public, fundamentalist Christian to the hilt. Given that many congresscritters are also in the cult it’s hard for them to resist exploiting the paranoid sentiments of their constituents, like they did some years ago with the nonsense about Sharia law being implemented in the US. The actual threat that comes from Russia and China is their ability to rally much of the world with them and end US financial hegemony, IMO, leaving the US a much poorer nation whose newfound economic status would reflect its actual productive output and put most of the politicians out of office. Of course that concept goes over the heads of most people, so public sentiment will be moved by either religious zealotry or fear of the military capabilities of a peer competitor. Either way, America needs an enemy in order to have an identity, it’s what makes the US tick. Posted by: Mike R | Oct 31 2023 2:56 utc | 280 Mike R | Oct 31 2023 2:56 utc | 139 Posted by: Cynic | Oct 31 2023 3:27 utc | 281 Mike R | Oct 31 2023 2:56 utc | 139 Posted by: Cynic | Oct 31 2023 3:27 utc | 282 The situation will get much murkier if and when Ukraine shuts their pipelines on 31/12/23. If they can afford to piss off the EU by cutting critical gas supply to central/eastern EU countries in the middle of winter and walk away from $1B+ a year of transit fees. Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2023 3:55 utc | 283 The situation will get much murkier if and when Ukraine shuts their pipelines on 31/12/23. If they can afford to piss off the EU by cutting critical gas supply to central/eastern EU countries in the middle of winter and walk away from $1B+ a year of transit fees. Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2023 3:55 utc | 284 Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 30 2023 20:46 utc | 98 Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2023 4:17 utc | 285 Posted by: JohninMK | Oct 30 2023 20:46 utc | 98 Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 31 2023 4:17 utc | 286 Jfc, the sock puppet distortion of shadowbanned, newbie (whichever newbie happens to be pandering) along with rk and pals – we must be getting close to endgame for ukraine. Zanon lives! Posted by: comrade simba | Oct 31 2023 4:38 utc | 287 Jfc, the sock puppet distortion of shadowbanned, newbie (whichever newbie happens to be pandering) along with rk and pals – we must be getting close to endgame for ukraine. Zanon lives! Posted by: comrade simba | Oct 31 2023 4:38 utc | 288 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 29 2023 13:39 utc | 4
where did you get this nonsense from ? Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 31 2023 4:53 utc | 289 Posted by: Newbie | Oct 29 2023 13:39 utc | 4
where did you get this nonsense from ? Posted by: ghiwen | Oct 31 2023 4:53 utc | 290
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Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 5:19 utc | 294 @ Down South | Oct 31 2023 5:19 utc | 145 with the continued good balance of detail about the Ukraine SMO Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2023 6:17 utc | 295 @ Down South | Oct 31 2023 5:19 utc | 145 with the continued good balance of detail about the Ukraine SMO Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2023 6:17 utc | 296
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20326 Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 6:47 utc | 297
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20326 Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 6:47 utc | 298 Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2023 6:17 utc | 146 Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 6:51 utc | 299 Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 31 2023 6:17 utc | 146 Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 6:51 utc | 300 |
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