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October 26, 2023
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Former German leader Schroeder divulges more detail on thwarted Russia-Ukraine peace deal – Intellinews
Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is the latest figure to confirm that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022. He discussed the apparent near-success that could have brought the war in Ukraine to an early end in an interview with Berliner Zeitung on October 21.
Former German leader Schroeder divulges more detail on thwarted Russia-Ukraine peace deal – Intellinews
Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is the latest figure to confirm that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022. He discussed the apparent near-success that could have brought the war in Ukraine to an early end in an interview with Berliner Zeitung on October 21.
The damage on the Baltic Connector pipeline between Finland and Estonia was caused by an anchor. China is cooperating with Finnish investigators.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 26 2023 14:01 utc | 3
The damage on the Baltic Connector pipeline between Finland and Estonia was caused by an anchor. China is cooperating with Finnish investigators.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 26 2023 14:01 utc | 4
Posted by: b | Oct 26 2023 13:36 utc | 1
It is evidence that the Russian strategy was the good one. We must remember that one Ukrainian negotiator was killed by the ukronazis.
Sorry, forgot the reference.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 26 2023 14:04 utc | 5
Posted by: b | Oct 26 2023 13:36 utc | 1
It is evidence that the Russian strategy was the good one. We must remember that one Ukrainian negotiator was killed by the ukronazis.
Sorry, forgot the reference.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 26 2023 14:04 utc | 6
Our source in the OP said that Zaluzhny asked Zelensky not to repeat the track with Bakhmut and to withdraw troops from Avdiivka, but the President demanded to increase reserves and wait a few weeks while negotiations with Western partners took place.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20264
We confirm our colleagues’ insight, but we will add our own information, which was provided to us by a source on the “Ze and Za” controversy around Avdiivka.
Zaluzhny suggested that Zelensky not surrender Avdiivka, but make it a trap for the Russian Federation. Letting them go where they are expected. Plus, Zaluzhny had long demanded that Ze build three lines of defense around significant territories. Bankova gave money and resources to one line of defense near Avdievka. Having said that the city is already well protected.
2. The Russian “Avdeevka noose” plan is aimed at strangling Zelensky’s rating. That’s why for Ze, losing Avdeevka is signing his own death sentence. He will be ready to send even “children” there to save his own skin. Because of this, he did not support Zaluzhny’s risky idea, but began to repeat previous actions, as in the Bakhmutov meat grinder.
All our sources predict an increase in the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the moment when the Russians throw an Avdeevka noose around the urban agglomeration and begin to tighten it, which will lead to the fact that all roads will be shot through, and thousands of Ukrainian soldiers will be blocked in the city itself / will fall into a cauldron. This will be the “Avdiivka Cauldron,” which could become much larger than the Ilovaisk Cauldron.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 14:28 utc | 7
Our source in the OP said that Zaluzhny asked Zelensky not to repeat the track with Bakhmut and to withdraw troops from Avdiivka, but the President demanded to increase reserves and wait a few weeks while negotiations with Western partners took place.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20264
We confirm our colleagues’ insight, but we will add our own information, which was provided to us by a source on the “Ze and Za” controversy around Avdiivka.
Zaluzhny suggested that Zelensky not surrender Avdiivka, but make it a trap for the Russian Federation. Letting them go where they are expected. Plus, Zaluzhny had long demanded that Ze build three lines of defense around significant territories. Bankova gave money and resources to one line of defense near Avdievka. Having said that the city is already well protected.
2. The Russian “Avdeevka noose” plan is aimed at strangling Zelensky’s rating. That’s why for Ze, losing Avdeevka is signing his own death sentence. He will be ready to send even “children” there to save his own skin. Because of this, he did not support Zaluzhny’s risky idea, but began to repeat previous actions, as in the Bakhmutov meat grinder.
All our sources predict an increase in the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine at the moment when the Russians throw an Avdeevka noose around the urban agglomeration and begin to tighten it, which will lead to the fact that all roads will be shot through, and thousands of Ukrainian soldiers will be blocked in the city itself / will fall into a cauldron. This will be the “Avdiivka Cauldron,” which could become much larger than the Ilovaisk Cauldron.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 14:28 utc | 8
🔥🔥 Avdeevka.
It is already obvious that in the coming days the Russian Armed Forces will gain a foothold on the waste heap and begin to take advantage of this very important position: they will install cameras there and mine the approaches. The Avdeevsky Coke and Chemical Plant is located right in front of the waste heap, so further progress in this direction is unlikely.
However, the plant was used as the closest rear point of the Avdeevka group. Now you won’t be able to use it in this mode, the enemy is too close. The same rule will also work against the Russian Armed Forces: the close proximity of the plant means the threat of constant attacks on the waste heap.
To partially remove this threat, we assume that the Russian Armed Forces will begin to move northwest from the waste heap along the railway track towards Novokalinovo.
However, the main events now, oddly enough, will take place on the southern face of the Avdeevskaya Loop. The fact is that from the waste heap to the forward positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the opposite side (Northern) there are only 7.5 km, and the waste heap faces these positions exactly to the rear.
It is difficult to imagine a better situation for attackers than to have a permanent observation post in the rear of the defenders. The Mavik 30t will perfectly see the supply routes of the entire group, and for something with more powerful optics, the positions in the Severny area will be in full view. Just a 3D review.
In just a day or two, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will begin to suffer significant logistical losses when supplying the Avdeevka group.
Let’s just list the problems that we encountered in Bakhmut in the same situation, when we switched to interval night supply:
✅ Increased mortality when injured. It is very important to provide qualified medical care to the wounded as quickly as possible. Waiting to evacuate at night reduces survival, especially for those who are wounded in the morning.
✅ Lack of constant logistics. It is difficult to respond to changes in the operational environment.
✅ It is morally difficult for the fighters to move into the city along a road dotted with burnt-out vehicles, understanding that it will be more difficult to get back.
✅ Increased losses caused by the fact that the routes to/from the city are under surveillance and are shot at.
Only, unlike Bakhmut, where the Russian Federation had almost no FPV drones, now the Russians have enough of them. So multiply these problems by 2 at once.
Colleagues, Zaluzhny understands the whole situation, but decisions are made at headquarters under the dictation of the Office of the President. It is worth considering the fact that Wagner near Bakhmut did not yet have the number of drones that the Russian army is currently using.
An additional factor is the weather, which will worsen sharply this week, meaning using dirt roads for supplies will be problematic.
The enemy has begun to tighten the Avdeevka stranglehold and soon the Ukrainian Armed Forces may fall into the Avdeevka cauldron, which in its scale will repeat Ilovaisk, especially considering the fact that reserves have been transferred there.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20266
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 14:39 utc | 9
🔥🔥 Avdeevka.
It is already obvious that in the coming days the Russian Armed Forces will gain a foothold on the waste heap and begin to take advantage of this very important position: they will install cameras there and mine the approaches. The Avdeevsky Coke and Chemical Plant is located right in front of the waste heap, so further progress in this direction is unlikely.
However, the plant was used as the closest rear point of the Avdeevka group. Now you won’t be able to use it in this mode, the enemy is too close. The same rule will also work against the Russian Armed Forces: the close proximity of the plant means the threat of constant attacks on the waste heap.
To partially remove this threat, we assume that the Russian Armed Forces will begin to move northwest from the waste heap along the railway track towards Novokalinovo.
However, the main events now, oddly enough, will take place on the southern face of the Avdeevskaya Loop. The fact is that from the waste heap to the forward positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the opposite side (Northern) there are only 7.5 km, and the waste heap faces these positions exactly to the rear.
It is difficult to imagine a better situation for attackers than to have a permanent observation post in the rear of the defenders. The Mavik 30t will perfectly see the supply routes of the entire group, and for something with more powerful optics, the positions in the Severny area will be in full view. Just a 3D review.
In just a day or two, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will begin to suffer significant logistical losses when supplying the Avdeevka group.
Let’s just list the problems that we encountered in Bakhmut in the same situation, when we switched to interval night supply:
✅ Increased mortality when injured. It is very important to provide qualified medical care to the wounded as quickly as possible. Waiting to evacuate at night reduces survival, especially for those who are wounded in the morning.
✅ Lack of constant logistics. It is difficult to respond to changes in the operational environment.
✅ It is morally difficult for the fighters to move into the city along a road dotted with burnt-out vehicles, understanding that it will be more difficult to get back.
✅ Increased losses caused by the fact that the routes to/from the city are under surveillance and are shot at.
Only, unlike Bakhmut, where the Russian Federation had almost no FPV drones, now the Russians have enough of them. So multiply these problems by 2 at once.
Colleagues, Zaluzhny understands the whole situation, but decisions are made at headquarters under the dictation of the Office of the President. It is worth considering the fact that Wagner near Bakhmut did not yet have the number of drones that the Russian army is currently using.
An additional factor is the weather, which will worsen sharply this week, meaning using dirt roads for supplies will be problematic.
The enemy has begun to tighten the Avdeevka stranglehold and soon the Ukrainian Armed Forces may fall into the Avdeevka cauldron, which in its scale will repeat Ilovaisk, especially considering the fact that reserves have been transferred there.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20266
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 14:39 utc | 10
Former German leader Schroeder divulges more detail on thwarted Russia-Ukraine peace deal – Intellinews
Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is the latest figure to confirm that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022. He discussed the apparent near-success that could have brought the war in Ukraine to an early end in an interview with Berliner Zeitung on October 21.
Posted by: b | Oct 26 2023 13:36 utc | 1
Years and more than a million destroyed lives latter Boris and his owner must be quite proud…
Sad sadnesses…
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 26 2023 14:47 utc | 11
Former German leader Schroeder divulges more detail on thwarted Russia-Ukraine peace deal – Intellinews
Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is the latest figure to confirm that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022. He discussed the apparent near-success that could have brought the war in Ukraine to an early end in an interview with Berliner Zeitung on October 21.
Posted by: b | Oct 26 2023 13:36 utc | 1
Years and more than a million destroyed lives latter Boris and his owner must be quite proud…
Sad sadnesses…
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 26 2023 14:47 utc | 12
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 14:28 utc | 5
Military summary claimed AFU is sending 20k additional troops inside Avdeevka itself.
Meanwhile, RF is investing only small secondary attacks to keep up some pressure SE, E, S and SW (on the flanks) of Avdeevka and the main focus is around Krasnogorovka, north of Avdeevka, which will probably be the actual, most crucial battle of this campaign.
RF need to take the area west of Krasnogorovka (around Stepove) and defend against the inevitable counter-attacks from the direction of Novobakmuthve, then they have effectively completed the isolation. Of course, they also need to hold against the inevitable counter-attacks along the Pervomaiske axis. With 30k troops inevitably lost inside Avdeevka is another large blow.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 15
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 14:28 utc | 5
Military summary claimed AFU is sending 20k additional troops inside Avdeevka itself.
Meanwhile, RF is investing only small secondary attacks to keep up some pressure SE, E, S and SW (on the flanks) of Avdeevka and the main focus is around Krasnogorovka, north of Avdeevka, which will probably be the actual, most crucial battle of this campaign.
RF need to take the area west of Krasnogorovka (around Stepove) and defend against the inevitable counter-attacks from the direction of Novobakmuthve, then they have effectively completed the isolation. Of course, they also need to hold against the inevitable counter-attacks along the Pervomaiske axis. With 30k troops inevitably lost inside Avdeevka is another large blow.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 16
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 14:55 utc | 8
If you consider who’s eligible for drafting as of 1 November Ukraine doesn’t have a future. This is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Starting from November 1, 18-year-old men and women liable for military service will be able to mobilize in Ukraine – FOCUS.
Before this, men between the ages of 18 and 24 were not conscripted unless they had previously fought.
From November 1, 2023, they will be able to mobilize according to the list:
▪️members of military service aged 18 to 60 years who are considered fit or limited fit and have military experience;
▪️Reservists aged 18 to 60 who are in reserve and do not have their own service experience;
▪️Men aged 18 to 27 years who are serving in the reserves and are considered fit or limited fit;
▪️Women liable for military service registered in the military registration system;
▪️ persons who were excluded from the list of those liable for military service and removed from the military register, if the VLK considers them suitable and they have not committed crimes;
▪️ persons aged 18 to 60 years with disabilities at their own request.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20268
One has hepatitis, the other has tuberculosis.”
◾That’s how a Ukrainian military officer described the mobilized soldiers who were sent to the front line as reinforcements. The youngest is 53, the oldest is 59. These “fighters” had no training before being sent to the war zone, even though they last held a machine gun in Soviet Union times.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 17
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 14:55 utc | 8
If you consider who’s eligible for drafting as of 1 November Ukraine doesn’t have a future. This is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Starting from November 1, 18-year-old men and women liable for military service will be able to mobilize in Ukraine – FOCUS.
Before this, men between the ages of 18 and 24 were not conscripted unless they had previously fought.
From November 1, 2023, they will be able to mobilize according to the list:
▪️members of military service aged 18 to 60 years who are considered fit or limited fit and have military experience;
▪️Reservists aged 18 to 60 who are in reserve and do not have their own service experience;
▪️Men aged 18 to 27 years who are serving in the reserves and are considered fit or limited fit;
▪️Women liable for military service registered in the military registration system;
▪️ persons who were excluded from the list of those liable for military service and removed from the military register, if the VLK considers them suitable and they have not committed crimes;
▪️ persons aged 18 to 60 years with disabilities at their own request.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20268
One has hepatitis, the other has tuberculosis.”
◾That’s how a Ukrainian military officer described the mobilized soldiers who were sent to the front line as reinforcements. The youngest is 53, the oldest is 59. These “fighters” had no training before being sent to the war zone, even though they last held a machine gun in Soviet Union times.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 18
Down South@10
Reading between the lines of these news releases is the saddest story ever told, that of a nation, full of confused, heavily propagandised people, stumbling towards their death.
What makes it sadder, is that it gives the last days of the Third Reich a new dignity, not only because the Fuhrer was obviously insane but because the whole world was against the last remnants falling into the ranks.
Here the fashionable world watches, wide eyed and slightly amused, like sadists, sipping their drinks and watching the inevitable happen. All that’s missing are the deck chairs from which Zionists used to watch snipers killing kids and ambulance attendants in the Gaza strip.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2023 15:18 utc | 19
Down South@10
Reading between the lines of these news releases is the saddest story ever told, that of a nation, full of confused, heavily propagandised people, stumbling towards their death.
What makes it sadder, is that it gives the last days of the Third Reich a new dignity, not only because the Fuhrer was obviously insane but because the whole world was against the last remnants falling into the ranks.
Here the fashionable world watches, wide eyed and slightly amused, like sadists, sipping their drinks and watching the inevitable happen. All that’s missing are the deck chairs from which Zionists used to watch snipers killing kids and ambulance attendants in the Gaza strip.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2023 15:18 utc | 20
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 10
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
Thank you for your input and links.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:28 utc | 21
Posted by: Down South | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 10
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
Thank you for your input and links.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:28 utc | 22
Former German leader Schroeder divulges more detail on thwarted Russia-Ukraine peace deal – Intellinews
Posted by: b | Oct 26 2023 13:36 utc | 1
Schroeder was involved in the talks and, according to his interview, most of the peace deal negotiations were conducted before the Bucha story broke. Moreover, he claims it was the White House that refused to accept a deal as it wanted to “keep Russia small”, by continuing to fight a resource-burning proxy war in Ukraine. Schroeder’s version of events suggests that Johnson was delivering a US message, not expressing his own view.
“History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.”
So let’s liven up and remember simpler times…
Nowadays he’d end up in jail
Posted by: newbie | Oct 26 2023 15:36 utc | 23
Former German leader Schroeder divulges more detail on thwarted Russia-Ukraine peace deal – Intellinews
Posted by: b | Oct 26 2023 13:36 utc | 1
Schroeder was involved in the talks and, according to his interview, most of the peace deal negotiations were conducted before the Bucha story broke. Moreover, he claims it was the White House that refused to accept a deal as it wanted to “keep Russia small”, by continuing to fight a resource-burning proxy war in Ukraine. Schroeder’s version of events suggests that Johnson was delivering a US message, not expressing his own view.
“History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.”
So let’s liven up and remember simpler times…
Nowadays he’d end up in jail
Posted by: newbie | Oct 26 2023 15:36 utc | 24
Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is the latest figure to confirm that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022. He discussed the apparent near-success that could have brought the war in Ukraine to an early end in an interview with Berliner Zeitung on October 21.
Posted by: b | Oct 26 2023 13:36 utc | 1
He may want to consider a 2d political career. He can start the Russia/China Friendship party focused on ending German support for the war, reconnecting the two economies and alleviating US induced poverty in the country. Millions already quietly support the idea.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 15:42 utc | 25
Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is the latest figure to confirm that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022. He discussed the apparent near-success that could have brought the war in Ukraine to an early end in an interview with Berliner Zeitung on October 21.
Posted by: b | Oct 26 2023 13:36 utc | 1
He may want to consider a 2d political career. He can start the Russia/China Friendship party focused on ending German support for the war, reconnecting the two economies and alleviating US induced poverty in the country. Millions already quietly support the idea.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 15:42 utc | 26
Is this correct? Barflies what do you think about this?
This article says Russia is relocating it’s Black Sea Naval Base away from Crimea
Russia’s plan to relocate its Black Sea naval base from Crimea is priceless for Ukraine’s morale
Published: October 25, 2023
“Following attacks on the Sevastopol shipyard on September 13 and on the Black Sea fleet headquarters on September 22, it has been reported that Russia is redeploying key naval assets away from their main base.
The fleet reportedly intends to base itself increasingly in two safer ports: Novorossiysk and Feodosia, on either sides of the Kerch strait connecting eastern Crimea with the Russian mainland. There are even reports of plans to build naval facilities in the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia. Whether this is a partial redeployment or a major one, and whether this is a long- or short-term redeployment, this demonstrates a new strategic reality in the Black Sea.
Even without an operational navy, Ukraine can threaten and hit Russian ships as far away as Sevastopol and beyond. Kyiv has developed a credible capability to engage Russia’s naval assets at long distances, using missiles and maritime drones”
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Oct 26 2023 15:47 utc | 27
Is this correct? Barflies what do you think about this?
This article says Russia is relocating it’s Black Sea Naval Base away from Crimea
Russia’s plan to relocate its Black Sea naval base from Crimea is priceless for Ukraine’s morale
Published: October 25, 2023
“Following attacks on the Sevastopol shipyard on September 13 and on the Black Sea fleet headquarters on September 22, it has been reported that Russia is redeploying key naval assets away from their main base.
The fleet reportedly intends to base itself increasingly in two safer ports: Novorossiysk and Feodosia, on either sides of the Kerch strait connecting eastern Crimea with the Russian mainland. There are even reports of plans to build naval facilities in the breakaway Georgian region of Abkhazia. Whether this is a partial redeployment or a major one, and whether this is a long- or short-term redeployment, this demonstrates a new strategic reality in the Black Sea.
Even without an operational navy, Ukraine can threaten and hit Russian ships as far away as Sevastopol and beyond. Kyiv has developed a credible capability to engage Russia’s naval assets at long distances, using missiles and maritime drones”
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Oct 26 2023 15:47 utc | 28
Laura Roslin@14…..school yard banter, “anything you can do, I can do better”. Yes, Russia will redeploy strategic assets…..their missile and drone platform forces makes it moot. Sea drones, surface and subsurface, have rendered all navel fleets, small and large, a liability. Using mice to kill elephants…..or a swarm in this case.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 26 2023 15:54 utc | 29
Laura Roslin@14…..school yard banter, “anything you can do, I can do better”. Yes, Russia will redeploy strategic assets…..their missile and drone platform forces makes it moot. Sea drones, surface and subsurface, have rendered all navel fleets, small and large, a liability. Using mice to kill elephants…..or a swarm in this case.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 26 2023 15:54 utc | 30
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Oct 26 2023 15:47 utc | 14
Has been discussed many times.
The fact is, as long as RUAF allows Nato recon aircraft within 200km of Sevastopol, Nato has the opportunity to take random pot shots with sea drones against surface ships. While likelihood of success is low, make enough attacks and at some point it will succeed.
As a response some ships were dispersed to a few locations east. Operationally it changes little as aircraft were primary source of sinking AFU landing attempts and ship based missiles have enough range to hit any target within Ukraine all the way from Novorrossyisk if needed.
But per the topic, sure, you can make a ”morale victory” from pissing in the pants in freezing temperature.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 15:56 utc | 31
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Oct 26 2023 15:47 utc | 14
Has been discussed many times.
The fact is, as long as RUAF allows Nato recon aircraft within 200km of Sevastopol, Nato has the opportunity to take random pot shots with sea drones against surface ships. While likelihood of success is low, make enough attacks and at some point it will succeed.
As a response some ships were dispersed to a few locations east. Operationally it changes little as aircraft were primary source of sinking AFU landing attempts and ship based missiles have enough range to hit any target within Ukraine all the way from Novorrossyisk if needed.
But per the topic, sure, you can make a ”morale victory” from pissing in the pants in freezing temperature.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 15:56 utc | 32
Laura Roslin @ 14
Avoiding having your navy sunk seems like a good idea. Being forced to protect it by shooting down NATO assets like AWACS and Global Hawks is an escalation the Russians are not up to, yet. Being forced to do anything in war is always a bad place to be, and exactly where the USA/UK wants them.
Moving the fleet to a safer harbor is a sane move by sane Russian minds to avoid WW3, the not sane minds in the Pentagon and UK are jumping up and down popping champagne thinking we’ve chased the Russians out of Sevastopol and have them on the run. You can be certain they’ll chase them to the eastern coast and continue to strike them there, then what? At some point Putin will have to declare Order No. 227 Not a step back! But, that point isn’t here yet.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:04 utc | 33
Laura Roslin @ 14
Avoiding having your navy sunk seems like a good idea. Being forced to protect it by shooting down NATO assets like AWACS and Global Hawks is an escalation the Russians are not up to, yet. Being forced to do anything in war is always a bad place to be, and exactly where the USA/UK wants them.
Moving the fleet to a safer harbor is a sane move by sane Russian minds to avoid WW3, the not sane minds in the Pentagon and UK are jumping up and down popping champagne thinking we’ve chased the Russians out of Sevastopol and have them on the run. You can be certain they’ll chase them to the eastern coast and continue to strike them there, then what? At some point Putin will have to declare Order No. 227 Not a step back! But, that point isn’t here yet.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:04 utc | 34
The damage on the Baltic Connector pipeline between Finland and Estonia was caused by an anchor. China is cooperating with Finnish investigators.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 26 2023 14:01 utc | 2
Of course we can assume it was a RUSSIAN anchor.
Really? Pipeline has hardly been in operation for only a few months and this strikes me as one of the obvious known hazards. Something smells fishy.
Posted by: oracle | Oct 26 2023 16:07 utc | 35
The damage on the Baltic Connector pipeline between Finland and Estonia was caused by an anchor. China is cooperating with Finnish investigators.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 26 2023 14:01 utc | 2
Of course we can assume it was a RUSSIAN anchor.
Really? Pipeline has hardly been in operation for only a few months and this strikes me as one of the obvious known hazards. Something smells fishy.
Posted by: oracle | Oct 26 2023 16:07 utc | 36
This is indirectly related. Quds Forces announced they are ready to start a long (multi-year) attritional war against the US and Israel. Exactly as Aleks of BMA predicted.
Obvious first steps would be to hit US airbases and force US fight without airpower in the deserts and oasis across Iraq and Syria. All of this will only worsen ukronazi situation.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 16:20 utc | 37
This is indirectly related. Quds Forces announced they are ready to start a long (multi-year) attritional war against the US and Israel. Exactly as Aleks of BMA predicted.
Obvious first steps would be to hit US airbases and force US fight without airpower in the deserts and oasis across Iraq and Syria. All of this will only worsen ukronazi situation.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 16:20 utc | 38
oracle @ 18
Really? Pipeline has hardly been in operation for only a few months and this strikes me as one of the obvious known hazards. Something smells fishy.
Yup. The Chinese response is pure boilerplate. Fishy is ok, better than the Chinese having to bomb Estonia 🙃
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:39 utc | 39
oracle @ 18
Really? Pipeline has hardly been in operation for only a few months and this strikes me as one of the obvious known hazards. Something smells fishy.
Yup. The Chinese response is pure boilerplate. Fishy is ok, better than the Chinese having to bomb Estonia 🙃
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:39 utc | 40
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Oct 26 2023 15:47 utc | 14
Please understand that moving assets around the battlefield out of harms way … even in retreat … is in no way a sign of weakness however leaving them in harms way to be destroyed when you could have moved them in order to appear strong is regarded as stupid.
Consider that since the Ukraine no longer has a navy or an air force to speak of the role of the Russian Black Sea fleet it to occasionally launch cruise missiles toward Ukraine and those missiles can still hit anywhere in Ukraine from anywhere in the Black Sea what does it matter where inj the Black Sea the fleet is based?
Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 26 2023 16:45 utc | 41
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Oct 26 2023 15:47 utc | 14
Please understand that moving assets around the battlefield out of harms way … even in retreat … is in no way a sign of weakness however leaving them in harms way to be destroyed when you could have moved them in order to appear strong is regarded as stupid.
Consider that since the Ukraine no longer has a navy or an air force to speak of the role of the Russian Black Sea fleet it to occasionally launch cruise missiles toward Ukraine and those missiles can still hit anywhere in Ukraine from anywhere in the Black Sea what does it matter where inj the Black Sea the fleet is based?
Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 26 2023 16:45 utc | 42
From Russell Bentley’s TG so I assume it’s real, sounds a bit too informal, probably from a TV show interview:
PRESIDENT PUTIN’S STATEMENT ON WAR…
I never wanted a war and I never started one.
What we are doing is not war.
I launched the military operation to save my people from neo-Nazis who have been killing peaceful and innocent people, Russians and not just Russians in Ukraine for years. I launched the military operation to protect my country from American and NATO bases.
I have started the military operation to stop the new world order because such an order is against Humanity. If I had started a war then things would look quite differently. I say it!
Russia will use all weapons, means… only if there is a nuclear attack against us, and I hope it does not get to the point where the world pays for the USA and Ukraine.
Nuclear war means the end of the world, and I don’t want that.
Zelensky calls NATO and the United States for a nuclear war and I hope that they will not make such a mistake, because they are a threat to the world.
Their nuclear weapons, even if they target us, the whole world will pay, because nuclear weapons don’t fall in one place, but 15 nuclear bombs are enough to destroy the earth.
It will not be possible to live on this planet . I don’t want war! I want a nice world where people can be human. I want a pure world of believers, I want a world without fascism. I want to drink clean water and breathe clean air.
If mine that I started in Ukraine was a war, nothing would be left of it by now. We protected peaceful, innocent civilians. War is when innocent and peaceful civilians are not protected! War is what the USA does in the world.
Russia throughout its history has always fought to save lives, not to create a fascist fake “democracy” like the United States…!!!
– Vladimir Putin
https://t.me/TXDPR/10131
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:49 utc | 43
From Russell Bentley’s TG so I assume it’s real, sounds a bit too informal, probably from a TV show interview:
PRESIDENT PUTIN’S STATEMENT ON WAR…
I never wanted a war and I never started one.
What we are doing is not war.
I launched the military operation to save my people from neo-Nazis who have been killing peaceful and innocent people, Russians and not just Russians in Ukraine for years. I launched the military operation to protect my country from American and NATO bases.
I have started the military operation to stop the new world order because such an order is against Humanity. If I had started a war then things would look quite differently. I say it!
Russia will use all weapons, means… only if there is a nuclear attack against us, and I hope it does not get to the point where the world pays for the USA and Ukraine.
Nuclear war means the end of the world, and I don’t want that.
Zelensky calls NATO and the United States for a nuclear war and I hope that they will not make such a mistake, because they are a threat to the world.
Their nuclear weapons, even if they target us, the whole world will pay, because nuclear weapons don’t fall in one place, but 15 nuclear bombs are enough to destroy the earth.
It will not be possible to live on this planet . I don’t want war! I want a nice world where people can be human. I want a pure world of believers, I want a world without fascism. I want to drink clean water and breathe clean air.
If mine that I started in Ukraine was a war, nothing would be left of it by now. We protected peaceful, innocent civilians. War is when innocent and peaceful civilians are not protected! War is what the USA does in the world.
Russia throughout its history has always fought to save lives, not to create a fascist fake “democracy” like the United States…!!!
– Vladimir Putin
https://t.me/TXDPR/10131
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:49 utc | 44
– Vladimir Putin
https://t.me/TXDPR/10131
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:49 utc | 22
“everything you read as a quote on the internets is the whole truth”
Jesus Christ
Posted by: newbie | Oct 26 2023 16:55 utc | 45
– Vladimir Putin
https://t.me/TXDPR/10131
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:49 utc | 22
“everything you read as a quote on the internets is the whole truth”
Jesus Christ
Posted by: newbie | Oct 26 2023 16:55 utc | 46
Za looks like a good candidate for the post-Ze era.
Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 26 2023 18:26 utc | 47
Za looks like a good candidate for the post-Ze era.
Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 26 2023 18:26 utc | 48
For me, this leads to the question why German media did not conduct and publish this interview in a timely manner? Instead, Schröder was hunted down in the media, and his ex-chancellor privileges were partially revoked.
At the same time, he kept Germany out of the Iraq war, just as Putin did Russia.
Then he helped German industry secure cheap energy.
Personally, I think that politicians all have bullshit jobs and are not necessary in principle.
But after him came the “unconditional “friendship”” in a pantsuit and now one who confuses her 0 degree view with 360 degrees. Psychotropic drugs?
Posted by: 600w | Oct 26 2023 19:40 utc | 49
For me, this leads to the question why German media did not conduct and publish this interview in a timely manner? Instead, Schröder was hunted down in the media, and his ex-chancellor privileges were partially revoked.
At the same time, he kept Germany out of the Iraq war, just as Putin did Russia.
Then he helped German industry secure cheap energy.
Personally, I think that politicians all have bullshit jobs and are not necessary in principle.
But after him came the “unconditional “friendship”” in a pantsuit and now one who confuses her 0 degree view with 360 degrees. Psychotropic drugs?
Posted by: 600w | Oct 26 2023 19:40 utc | 50
Military summary:
-RUAF seems to be digging in in the Vodiane/Pervomaiske area to prepare further advance west of Avdeevka and hold against potential counter-attacks from Pervomaiske
-RUAF made very notable gain south of Novomikhaloivke, a de-mining tank managed to pave a way through the field directly south of Novomikhalovke without counter fire, which means AFU may have lost control of those fields and RUAF has practically reached the very SE outskirt of the village.
-No news of the northern front of Novomikhalovka
-RUAF might be preparing to attack Malynivka with large bombing, artillery and drone preparation (west of Urozhaine)
-AFU seems to be withdrawing from the Rabotyne-Verbove pocket, leaving only rear guard forces (might be due to the failed attack west of Rabotyne yesterday)
-RUAF is also moving west of Verbove
-Lots of clashes in Kreminna forest
-RUAF established fire control on the road that supplies the AFU eastern flank of Kupyansk, including Ivanivka, Kyslivka and Kotliarivka
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 20:37 utc | 51
Military summary:
-RUAF seems to be digging in in the Vodiane/Pervomaiske area to prepare further advance west of Avdeevka and hold against potential counter-attacks from Pervomaiske
-RUAF made very notable gain south of Novomikhaloivke, a de-mining tank managed to pave a way through the field directly south of Novomikhalovke without counter fire, which means AFU may have lost control of those fields and RUAF has practically reached the very SE outskirt of the village.
-No news of the northern front of Novomikhalovka
-RUAF might be preparing to attack Malynivka with large bombing, artillery and drone preparation (west of Urozhaine)
-AFU seems to be withdrawing from the Rabotyne-Verbove pocket, leaving only rear guard forces (might be due to the failed attack west of Rabotyne yesterday)
-RUAF is also moving west of Verbove
-Lots of clashes in Kreminna forest
-RUAF established fire control on the road that supplies the AFU eastern flank of Kupyansk, including Ivanivka, Kyslivka and Kotliarivka
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 20:37 utc | 52
@ AI, §7:
The future of the Ukraine is to vanish.
Kiev and the six oblasts around it will be a republic like Belarus, and probably renamed Chornarus.
The five oblasts of Galicia will be under military occupation pending a peace with Poland/NATO.
The one-and-a-half oblasts of Ukrainian Bessarabia (Chernovtsy and Bujak) will be under military occupation pending a peace with Rumania/NATO.
Transcarpathia will become a peaceful exclave oblast (like Kaliningrad) of Russia.
ALL the rest of the erstwhile Ukraine will be Russian oblasts, from Odessa to Kharkov.
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 26 2023 20:38 utc | 53
@ AI, §7:
The future of the Ukraine is to vanish.
Kiev and the six oblasts around it will be a republic like Belarus, and probably renamed Chornarus.
The five oblasts of Galicia will be under military occupation pending a peace with Poland/NATO.
The one-and-a-half oblasts of Ukrainian Bessarabia (Chernovtsy and Bujak) will be under military occupation pending a peace with Rumania/NATO.
Transcarpathia will become a peaceful exclave oblast (like Kaliningrad) of Russia.
ALL the rest of the erstwhile Ukraine will be Russian oblasts, from Odessa to Kharkov.
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 26 2023 20:38 utc | 54
Alexander P @ 24
Za looks like a good candidate for the post-Ze era.
A Ukrainian Franco or Pinochet, a Generalissimo? Bad optics, normally anyway. As the democratic EU has been revealed to be a sham, a military, NATO, running a state, like Imperial Japan, a Ukrainian Generalissimo might be going with the zeitgeist. Problem is losing generals are hard to spin.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:45 utc | 55
Alexander P @ 24
Za looks like a good candidate for the post-Ze era.
A Ukrainian Franco or Pinochet, a Generalissimo? Bad optics, normally anyway. As the democratic EU has been revealed to be a sham, a military, NATO, running a state, like Imperial Japan, a Ukrainian Generalissimo might be going with the zeitgeist. Problem is losing generals are hard to spin.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:45 utc | 56
unimperator @ 26
I don’t want to jinx it but it does seem the AFU is starting to collapse. This would be the time when I was sure NATO would step in but the counter offensive fail and Avdiivka rout (fingers crossed) can’t be blamed on the AFU as NATO ran the entire show, so the NATO cavalry riding in over the hill would just be to fail twice. A morbid pity, would have been nice to see NATO military crushed rather than just politically ruined.
When the collapse comes will the EU liberate itself from the NATO tyranny or will it just usher in a new Dark Ages. Any bets?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:59 utc | 57
unimperator @ 26
I don’t want to jinx it but it does seem the AFU is starting to collapse. This would be the time when I was sure NATO would step in but the counter offensive fail and Avdiivka rout (fingers crossed) can’t be blamed on the AFU as NATO ran the entire show, so the NATO cavalry riding in over the hill would just be to fail twice. A morbid pity, would have been nice to see NATO military crushed rather than just politically ruined.
When the collapse comes will the EU liberate itself from the NATO tyranny or will it just usher in a new Dark Ages. Any bets?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:59 utc | 58
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Oct 26 2023 15:47 utc | 14
A move practiced by the Italians after Taranto, and the Brits after ‘The Royal Oak’, just as then a sensible move. The Russian Navy has has a diminishing impact on the SMO, especially now as the Ukrainian AD system is showing increasing signs of disintegration. Makes sense to move the ships and replace their missions with advanced drones and fixed wing strike aircraft and ALCM’s.
Posted by: Milites | Oct 26 2023 21:28 utc | 59
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Oct 26 2023 15:47 utc | 14
A move practiced by the Italians after Taranto, and the Brits after ‘The Royal Oak’, just as then a sensible move. The Russian Navy has has a diminishing impact on the SMO, especially now as the Ukrainian AD system is showing increasing signs of disintegration. Makes sense to move the ships and replace their missions with advanced drones and fixed wing strike aircraft and ALCM’s.
Posted by: Milites | Oct 26 2023 21:28 utc | 60
LightYearsFromHome
I guess their strategy is to perish bevor winter comes.
And the human being responsible for this horrible military disaster is the one and only Mr. Blinken in Washington.
All the european puppets can say that they are only servants of their Master – a really good chance, by the way, to tell the truth once.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Oct 26 2023 21:30 utc | 61
LightYearsFromHome
I guess their strategy is to perish bevor winter comes.
And the human being responsible for this horrible military disaster is the one and only Mr. Blinken in Washington.
All the european puppets can say that they are only servants of their Master – a really good chance, by the way, to tell the truth once.
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Oct 26 2023 21:30 utc | 62
@ LightYearsFromHome, §28:
When Japan took over Inner (Chinese) Manchuria in 1931 (“Manchukuo”) they turned it into an industrial powerhouse.
But the Japanese were united, determined and had a compliant puppet ruling the place: the last Manchu emperor, Pu Yi.
This is a far cry from the disunited EU, the chaotic, directionless NATO – and no Pu Yi who might command any loyalty from the few Ukrainians remaining . . .
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 26 2023 21:33 utc | 63
@ LightYearsFromHome, §28:
When Japan took over Inner (Chinese) Manchuria in 1931 (“Manchukuo”) they turned it into an industrial powerhouse.
But the Japanese were united, determined and had a compliant puppet ruling the place: the last Manchu emperor, Pu Yi.
This is a far cry from the disunited EU, the chaotic, directionless NATO – and no Pu Yi who might command any loyalty from the few Ukrainians remaining . . .
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 26 2023 21:33 utc | 64
With regard to #22:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-repeats-assertion-that-russia-did-not-start-war-ukraine-2023-10-05/
Posted by: Johnny | Oct 26 2023 21:39 utc | 65
With regard to #22:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-repeats-assertion-that-russia-did-not-start-war-ukraine-2023-10-05/
Posted by: Johnny | Oct 26 2023 21:39 utc | 66
Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2023 15:18 utc | 10
‘Here the fashionable world watches, wide eyed and slightly amused, like sadists, sipping their drinks and watching the inevitable happen. All that’s missing are the deck chairs from which Zionists used to watch snipers killing kids and ambulance attendants in the Gaza strips’.
Just wondering, are all your world experiences second hand? Have you actually talked to anyone in the IDF, or any one in the Middle East, or armed forces, or any anyone in the ‘fashionable world’, whatever that is? Just curious.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:59 utc | 29
I was told I was being an optimist when I said Ukraine was close to the breaking point, but all the indicators are there, just as all the indicators are showing Western populations are close to revolt against the globalist cabal.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 8
Where are those 20K coming from, and the follow up question, once they’re deployed which axis of attack will the Russians open or restart?
Posted by: Milites | Oct 26 2023 21:48 utc | 67
Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2023 15:18 utc | 10
‘Here the fashionable world watches, wide eyed and slightly amused, like sadists, sipping their drinks and watching the inevitable happen. All that’s missing are the deck chairs from which Zionists used to watch snipers killing kids and ambulance attendants in the Gaza strips’.
Just wondering, are all your world experiences second hand? Have you actually talked to anyone in the IDF, or any one in the Middle East, or armed forces, or any anyone in the ‘fashionable world’, whatever that is? Just curious.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:59 utc | 29
I was told I was being an optimist when I said Ukraine was close to the breaking point, but all the indicators are there, just as all the indicators are showing Western populations are close to revolt against the globalist cabal.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 8
Where are those 20K coming from, and the follow up question, once they’re deployed which axis of attack will the Russians open or restart?
Posted by: Milites | Oct 26 2023 21:48 utc | 68
WANTED – FOR WAR CRIMES – YAROSLAV HINKA
The Russian Interior Ministry has placed Yaroslav Hunka, an elderly Canadian-Ukrainian Nazi veteran, on its official database of wanted individuals, multiple media outlets reported on Tuesday.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 26 2023 22:50 utc | 69
WANTED – FOR WAR CRIMES – YAROSLAV HINKA
The Russian Interior Ministry has placed Yaroslav Hunka, an elderly Canadian-Ukrainian Nazi veteran, on its official database of wanted individuals, multiple media outlets reported on Tuesday.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 26 2023 22:50 utc | 70
Laura Roslin @ 14:
Be careful of the interpretation by The Conversation’s Misha Ketchell put on this move by Russia, if the news is correct.
Moving naval assets to Feodosia and Novorossiysk could be one way to shore up defences for the Crimea Bridge as it has been subjected to at least two major attacks and the Ukrainians will still be keen on destroying it and cutting Crimea off from mainland Russia.
The move may be temporary, for the duration of Russia’s SMO. It may also be a way of distracting and drawing Ukrainian attention away from Sevastopol. This might indicate that there will be things happening in Sevastopol that the Russians do not wish the Ukrainians (and especially the SBU and the CIA) to pry into.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 26 2023 23:04 utc | 71
Laura Roslin @ 14:
Be careful of the interpretation by The Conversation’s Misha Ketchell put on this move by Russia, if the news is correct.
Moving naval assets to Feodosia and Novorossiysk could be one way to shore up defences for the Crimea Bridge as it has been subjected to at least two major attacks and the Ukrainians will still be keen on destroying it and cutting Crimea off from mainland Russia.
The move may be temporary, for the duration of Russia’s SMO. It may also be a way of distracting and drawing Ukrainian attention away from Sevastopol. This might indicate that there will be things happening in Sevastopol that the Russians do not wish the Ukrainians (and especially the SBU and the CIA) to pry into.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 26 2023 23:04 utc | 72
LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:59 utc | 29
NATO will withdraw from its Ukraine proxy war, with EU funding the Kiev regime till the last day (cf. Afghanistan). The steady decline will continue, but there won’t be any collapse of the ‘West’ – both EU and China know that Washington, if left alone, could react in very unpredictable, violent ways.
Sorry to spoil the party, but no, neither “EU liberating itself” nor “new Dark Ages”.
Future head of Ukraine…dunno, would need to be acceptable to both Moscow and the oligarchs. Arestovich?
Posted by: smuks | Oct 26 2023 23:11 utc | 73
LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:59 utc | 29
NATO will withdraw from its Ukraine proxy war, with EU funding the Kiev regime till the last day (cf. Afghanistan). The steady decline will continue, but there won’t be any collapse of the ‘West’ – both EU and China know that Washington, if left alone, could react in very unpredictable, violent ways.
Sorry to spoil the party, but no, neither “EU liberating itself” nor “new Dark Ages”.
Future head of Ukraine…dunno, would need to be acceptable to both Moscow and the oligarchs. Arestovich?
Posted by: smuks | Oct 26 2023 23:11 utc | 74
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 26 2023 20:38 utc | 27
ALL the rest of the erstwhile Ukraine will be Russian oblasts, from Odessa to Kharkov.
Unless the Israelis move to Odessa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Odesa
Under the reign of Nicholas I, the persecution of Jews become official. The major provisions regarding Jews under his reign included: conscription of Jews, including their children, which was passed in 1827; provisions regarding travel and settlement restrictions, signed into law in 1835; abolition of Qahal system in 1844; expulsions of Jewish populations from Kyiv, Kherson, and Sevastopol; and bans regarding use of Hebrew and Yiddish in public. The Tsar also issued an 1844 decree providing for creation of new Jewish schools, similar to district and governmental schools, which were aimed at assimilation of Jews.[14]
Due to the blockade of Odesa port during the Crimean war and subsequent disruption of trade, the city’s exports rapidly dropped tenfold from 1853 to 1855. The losses forced Greek magnates of the city to close their offices, and the city failed to recover its lost clients following the war. However, unlike the Greeks, the Jews were able to withstand the recession due to their close contact with the producers, which greatly improved their ability to assess the market and allowed them to trade with a smaller profit margin.[2]: 70–71 As a result, the Greek stake in the export trade was quickly superseded by that of the Jews. By 1872–1875, Jews owned 60% of the commercial firms and most of retail stores in the city.
During 1860s, the city become a center of modern Jewish intelligentsia.[2]: 71 With Yiddish being spoken by almost a third of the population, the city rose as a centre of Yiddish literature during the 1860s, playing a large role in the cultural transformation of Russian Jewry. Many of the most successful Jewish institutions existed in Odesa, which attracted many Jewish intellectuals from across Russia.
I read an article somewhere a while back with higher percentage population figures than in this Wikipedia piece. They have a lot of history there, put it that way. (The first paragraph reveals one (of many) reasons for Jewish animus toward the Tzars, which led to two of them later being assassinated.)
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 26 2023 20:38 utc | 27
ALL the rest of the erstwhile Ukraine will be Russian oblasts, from Odessa to Kharkov.
Unless the Israelis move to Odessa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Odesa
Under the reign of Nicholas I, the persecution of Jews become official. The major provisions regarding Jews under his reign included: conscription of Jews, including their children, which was passed in 1827; provisions regarding travel and settlement restrictions, signed into law in 1835; abolition of Qahal system in 1844; expulsions of Jewish populations from Kyiv, Kherson, and Sevastopol; and bans regarding use of Hebrew and Yiddish in public. The Tsar also issued an 1844 decree providing for creation of new Jewish schools, similar to district and governmental schools, which were aimed at assimilation of Jews.[14]
Due to the blockade of Odesa port during the Crimean war and subsequent disruption of trade, the city’s exports rapidly dropped tenfold from 1853 to 1855. The losses forced Greek magnates of the city to close their offices, and the city failed to recover its lost clients following the war. However, unlike the Greeks, the Jews were able to withstand the recession due to their close contact with the producers, which greatly improved their ability to assess the market and allowed them to trade with a smaller profit margin.[2]: 70–71 As a result, the Greek stake in the export trade was quickly superseded by that of the Jews. By 1872–1875, Jews owned 60% of the commercial firms and most of retail stores in the city.
During 1860s, the city become a center of modern Jewish intelligentsia.[2]: 71 With Yiddish being spoken by almost a third of the population, the city rose as a centre of Yiddish literature during the 1860s, playing a large role in the cultural transformation of Russian Jewry. Many of the most successful Jewish institutions existed in Odesa, which attracted many Jewish intellectuals from across Russia.
I read an article somewhere a while back with higher percentage population figures than in this Wikipedia piece. They have a lot of history there, put it that way. (The first paragraph reveals one (of many) reasons for Jewish animus toward the Tzars, which led to two of them later being assassinated.)
Has there been any discussion around the bar on the fate of General Surovikin? I might have missed it. His replacement for Head of the Aerospace Forces was announced (his deputy, as far as I could make out) but no indication of a new position for General Apocalypse? He was last reported on official tour of Libya, I think, possibly tidying up some loose ends on Wagner business, but was there more to it, concerning the planned Gaza assault? Too good a general to just put out to grass, I wonder if some new position in Syria has been created, anticipating strife in Israel?
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Oct 26 2023 23:33 utc | 77
Has there been any discussion around the bar on the fate of General Surovikin? I might have missed it. His replacement for Head of the Aerospace Forces was announced (his deputy, as far as I could make out) but no indication of a new position for General Apocalypse? He was last reported on official tour of Libya, I think, possibly tidying up some loose ends on Wagner business, but was there more to it, concerning the planned Gaza assault? Too good a general to just put out to grass, I wonder if some new position in Syria has been created, anticipating strife in Israel?
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Oct 26 2023 23:33 utc | 78
See #14
What do you think? It seems to me…
US does not care how Ukraine is destroyed, they want to control the Black Sea, and they will keep war going. Even as Ukraine is dying… they will insist that Ukraine fight on, so USA — that is us– can create a mess in the Black Sea.
Posted by: medo | Oct 26 2023 23:51 utc | 79
See #14
What do you think? It seems to me…
US does not care how Ukraine is destroyed, they want to control the Black Sea, and they will keep war going. Even as Ukraine is dying… they will insist that Ukraine fight on, so USA — that is us– can create a mess in the Black Sea.
Posted by: medo | Oct 26 2023 23:51 utc | 80
Moving the Russian Black Sea surface fleet to eastern part of Crimea gives Russia the opportunity to use floating mines – the most potent naval weapon that has destroyed more ships than anything else.
I strongly suggest Russia use naval mines in the Black Sea as it’s super effective. Russia has the world’s largest stockpile of naval mines.
Russia has 3 Kilo class submarines active in the Black Sea. They are unaffected by floating mines. NATO will try to target them by submerged mines which can be retaliated by Russia also using submerged mines elsewhere in places where NATO is active.
Yes; it does escalate. “Escalate to de-escalate” is the Russian security doctrine. Russia must put money where its mouth is without ending up like Iran.
NATO is anyway going to attack Russia out of Black Sea if not escalated. USA has already demanded Turkey to open the entry and exit to Black Sea. NATO ships and submarines are going to flood the sea as they did before 2022 and outnumber the Russian fleet.
Posted by: Jason | Oct 26 2023 23:55 utc | 81
Moving the Russian Black Sea surface fleet to eastern part of Crimea gives Russia the opportunity to use floating mines – the most potent naval weapon that has destroyed more ships than anything else.
I strongly suggest Russia use naval mines in the Black Sea as it’s super effective. Russia has the world’s largest stockpile of naval mines.
Russia has 3 Kilo class submarines active in the Black Sea. They are unaffected by floating mines. NATO will try to target them by submerged mines which can be retaliated by Russia also using submerged mines elsewhere in places where NATO is active.
Yes; it does escalate. “Escalate to de-escalate” is the Russian security doctrine. Russia must put money where its mouth is without ending up like Iran.
NATO is anyway going to attack Russia out of Black Sea if not escalated. USA has already demanded Turkey to open the entry and exit to Black Sea. NATO ships and submarines are going to flood the sea as they did before 2022 and outnumber the Russian fleet.
Posted by: Jason | Oct 26 2023 23:55 utc | 82
“General Apocalypse”
Believe his nick is General Armageddon. Not heard of him.
Posted by: blueswede | Oct 27 2023 0:09 utc | 83
“General Apocalypse”
Believe his nick is General Armageddon. Not heard of him.
Posted by: blueswede | Oct 27 2023 0:09 utc | 84
The Pale of Settlement still looms large for many people that are Jews. It has come up in a few conversations with people I have met of the Jewish religion. In one conversation I had a few months back with a Rabbi from the Shul on Venice Beach, I mentioned Catherine the Great’s interest in art and her incredible amassing of fine art for the empire. The conversation came about because said Rabbi is in the art business when he isn’t doing his religious stuff. He reacted with restrained indignation. How dare a goy sheigitz like me even mention her name. He didn’t say “goy sheigitz,” but I understood it by the tone of his response.
Whatever.
I know these riches were purchased from the sweat and blood of the serfs and those not of “nobility.” During Catherine’s time, 13% of the annual income of Russia paid for her court. Anyways, many of the major artworks she bought were sold by the Bolsheviks to fund their Brave New World when they came to power. Or perhaps better stated, to pave the way for the dictatorship of the proletariat. The Hermitage still has a pretty good collection from what I understand, so Catherine must have done quite a good job as a collector.
I really don’t care, though. I only am adding this anecdote to say how much this Russian Empire time crap sticks in the head of a lot of people who follow the Jewish faith.
Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 27 2023 0:31 utc | 85
The Pale of Settlement still looms large for many people that are Jews. It has come up in a few conversations with people I have met of the Jewish religion. In one conversation I had a few months back with a Rabbi from the Shul on Venice Beach, I mentioned Catherine the Great’s interest in art and her incredible amassing of fine art for the empire. The conversation came about because said Rabbi is in the art business when he isn’t doing his religious stuff. He reacted with restrained indignation. How dare a goy sheigitz like me even mention her name. He didn’t say “goy sheigitz,” but I understood it by the tone of his response.
Whatever.
I know these riches were purchased from the sweat and blood of the serfs and those not of “nobility.” During Catherine’s time, 13% of the annual income of Russia paid for her court. Anyways, many of the major artworks she bought were sold by the Bolsheviks to fund their Brave New World when they came to power. Or perhaps better stated, to pave the way for the dictatorship of the proletariat. The Hermitage still has a pretty good collection from what I understand, so Catherine must have done quite a good job as a collector.
I really don’t care, though. I only am adding this anecdote to say how much this Russian Empire time crap sticks in the head of a lot of people who follow the Jewish faith.
Posted by: lex talionis | Oct 27 2023 0:31 utc | 86
Gerry Bell @ 39
Surovikin is one serious man of mystery, you would think he was FSB instead of MoD. Maybe Prigozhin willed him his disguise kit and wig collection?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 27 2023 1:05 utc | 89
Gerry Bell @ 39
Surovikin is one serious man of mystery, you would think he was FSB instead of MoD. Maybe Prigozhin willed him his disguise kit and wig collection?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 27 2023 1:05 utc | 90
Some videos for today.
Russian Su-34 drops a FAB-500 guided bomb onto an enemy position:
https://rutube.ru/video/07b93218a3e8c1536e2c252220547f82/
Russian soldier captures enemy troop in hand-to-hand combat:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/22ve4PWAN_YEQt2L:7
Russian artillery pound enemy positions near Belogorovka:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20231026_235345_123:b
Russian T-90 tank fired on the enemy near Kleshcheevka (south of the DPR’s Artemovsk):
https://rutube.ru/video/e71acf36c851fc9877c518ba9ed3c79c/
Russian Ka-52 conducting airstrike:
https://rutube.ru/video/ca357918ad9fe9a8991d41cd1617bd03/
Posted by: Nate | Oct 27 2023 1:10 utc | 91
Some videos for today.
Russian Su-34 drops a FAB-500 guided bomb onto an enemy position:
https://rutube.ru/video/07b93218a3e8c1536e2c252220547f82/
Russian soldier captures enemy troop in hand-to-hand combat:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/22ve4PWAN_YEQt2L:7
Russian artillery pound enemy positions near Belogorovka:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20231026_235345_123:b
Russian T-90 tank fired on the enemy near Kleshcheevka (south of the DPR’s Artemovsk):
https://rutube.ru/video/e71acf36c851fc9877c518ba9ed3c79c/
Russian Ka-52 conducting airstrike:
https://rutube.ru/video/ca357918ad9fe9a8991d41cd1617bd03/
Posted by: Nate | Oct 27 2023 1:10 utc | 92
lex talioni@43
One of the building blocks for the Hermitage Collection was that of Sir Robert Walpole at Houghton Hall in Norfolk (not Virginia). Catherine paid the Third Earl his grandson(?)forty thousand pounds or about 10,000 ounces of gold for the paintings.
That’s about 25 million in current pounds, which is probably a bargain. A Wise investment on behalf of the serfs I’d say.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 27 2023 1:36 utc | 93
lex talioni@43
One of the building blocks for the Hermitage Collection was that of Sir Robert Walpole at Houghton Hall in Norfolk (not Virginia). Catherine paid the Third Earl his grandson(?)forty thousand pounds or about 10,000 ounces of gold for the paintings.
That’s about 25 million in current pounds, which is probably a bargain. A Wise investment on behalf of the serfs I’d say.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 27 2023 1:36 utc | 94
Finally…. what I’ve been waiting for…
https://t.me/sitreports/17063
Front #Summary for 26 Oct 2023 by 19:34⚡️
🔹In #Kherson Direction, our fighters foil crossing attempts to our shore. The AFU from their foothold at Railway Bridge try to break through to #Poyma and #Peschanovka, as well as to reach the junction with the road to #Alyoshki. Our Marines are mopping up on the outskirts of #Krynki village.
🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, Autumn has come to the trenches with rain, mud and mice. Poor visibility complicates the work of aerial reconnaissance, and the AFU’s attack intensity has decreased. Our aviation is working with aerial bombs on AFU positions and clusters. Our drone pilots destroyed a Leopard tank east of #Rabotino. An AFU attempt to attack near #Verbovoye was foiled.
🔹In #Donetsk Direction, fierce fighting continues on both #Avdeyevka flanks. In the south, our forces have advanced west of #Avdeyevka to #Severnoye. Fights are now taking place northwest of #Vodyanoye, and near #Pervomayskoye. On the northern flank, our infantry is advancing west of the railway line near #Krasnogorovka. Our forces have managed to reach the southern outskirts of #Novokalinovo. All AFU attempts to counterattack have been repulsed.
🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, our military retook several previously lost positions near #Andreyevka. Ours trying to take the initiative, pushing the AFU away from the railway line. At #Kurdyumovka and #Kleshcheyevka, attempts to contract have not yet brought success, but the AFU is not progressing either. Northeast of #Khromovo, our army successfully attacked Ukrainian positions and entered the heights.
🔹In #Svatovo Direction, our forces took control of several more AFU strongholds near #Makeyevka. To the west of #Orlyanka, our military managed to advance and gain a foothold in the forest belt. In the area of #Kislovka, our troops have taken two key heights, and it is likely that our prospective goal is to encircle this fortified area.
t.me/sitreports /@olegtsarov (“>https://t.me/olegtsarov/9172)/#smo/
The Ukies have finally run out of steam….
Russians are pushing them everywhere….
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 27 2023 1:55 utc | 95
Finally…. what I’ve been waiting for…
https://t.me/sitreports/17063
Front #Summary for 26 Oct 2023 by 19:34⚡️
🔹In #Kherson Direction, our fighters foil crossing attempts to our shore. The AFU from their foothold at Railway Bridge try to break through to #Poyma and #Peschanovka, as well as to reach the junction with the road to #Alyoshki. Our Marines are mopping up on the outskirts of #Krynki village.
🔹In #Zaporozhye Direction, Autumn has come to the trenches with rain, mud and mice. Poor visibility complicates the work of aerial reconnaissance, and the AFU’s attack intensity has decreased. Our aviation is working with aerial bombs on AFU positions and clusters. Our drone pilots destroyed a Leopard tank east of #Rabotino. An AFU attempt to attack near #Verbovoye was foiled.
🔹In #Donetsk Direction, fierce fighting continues on both #Avdeyevka flanks. In the south, our forces have advanced west of #Avdeyevka to #Severnoye. Fights are now taking place northwest of #Vodyanoye, and near #Pervomayskoye. On the northern flank, our infantry is advancing west of the railway line near #Krasnogorovka. Our forces have managed to reach the southern outskirts of #Novokalinovo. All AFU attempts to counterattack have been repulsed.
🔹In #Bakhmut Direction, our military retook several previously lost positions near #Andreyevka. Ours trying to take the initiative, pushing the AFU away from the railway line. At #Kurdyumovka and #Kleshcheyevka, attempts to contract have not yet brought success, but the AFU is not progressing either. Northeast of #Khromovo, our army successfully attacked Ukrainian positions and entered the heights.
🔹In #Svatovo Direction, our forces took control of several more AFU strongholds near #Makeyevka. To the west of #Orlyanka, our military managed to advance and gain a foothold in the forest belt. In the area of #Kislovka, our troops have taken two key heights, and it is likely that our prospective goal is to encircle this fortified area.
t.me/sitreports /@olegtsarov (“>https://t.me/olegtsarov/9172)/#smo/
The Ukies have finally run out of steam….
Russians are pushing them everywhere….
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 27 2023 1:55 utc | 96
Even as Ukraine is dying… they will insist that Ukraine fight on, so USA — that is us– can create a mess in the Black Sea.
Posted by: medo | Oct 26 2023 23:51 utc | 40
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Word of advice medo, MoA is international, many of the barflies are not “us.” Just saying.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 27 2023 2:05 utc | 97
Even as Ukraine is dying… they will insist that Ukraine fight on, so USA — that is us– can create a mess in the Black Sea.
Posted by: medo | Oct 26 2023 23:51 utc | 40
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Word of advice medo, MoA is international, many of the barflies are not “us.” Just saying.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 27 2023 2:05 utc | 98
When the collapse comes will the EU liberate itself from the NATO tyranny or will it just usher in a new Dark Ages. Any bets?
When the collapse comes will the EU liberate itself from the NATO tyranny or will it just usher in a new Dark Ages. Any bets?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:59 utc | 29
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None of the above.
There will be a call for soul searching. I cannot see them wanting to ‘deep dive’ anything. They won’t quit. They will jst keep on going, just writing it off to experience. Z was ‘not effective.’ Furthermore, they gained Sweden and Finland. Now on to the South Pacific.
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I was told I was being an optimist when I said Ukraine was close to the breaking point, but all the indicators are there, just as all the indicators are showing Western populations are close to revolt against the globalist cabal.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 8
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To me, the winner is inertia. NATO is such a big beast that it will be hard to kill.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 27 2023 2:22 utc | 99
When the collapse comes will the EU liberate itself from the NATO tyranny or will it just usher in a new Dark Ages. Any bets?
When the collapse comes will the EU liberate itself from the NATO tyranny or will it just usher in a new Dark Ages. Any bets?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 20:59 utc | 29
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None of the above.
There will be a call for soul searching. I cannot see them wanting to ‘deep dive’ anything. They won’t quit. They will jst keep on going, just writing it off to experience. Z was ‘not effective.’ Furthermore, they gained Sweden and Finland. Now on to the South Pacific.
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I was told I was being an optimist when I said Ukraine was close to the breaking point, but all the indicators are there, just as all the indicators are showing Western populations are close to revolt against the globalist cabal.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 26 2023 15:01 utc | 8
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To me, the winner is inertia. NATO is such a big beast that it will be hard to kill.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 27 2023 2:22 utc | 100