Posted by: catdog | Oct 19 2023 19:03 utc | 45
It means that sooner or later Ukraine will have nobody except women, schoolchildren and old people to go on fighting.
To the last Ukrainian. By the will a jew and the banderites who consider the slavs as Untermensch. Ethnic cleaning.
Then who will run a failed, dismembered country without access to the sea?

Posted by: Naive | Oct 19 2023 19:15 utc | 103

From the BUREAU OF POLITICAL-MILITARY AFFAIRS, State Department:
As of October 2023, the United States has 599 active Foreign Military Sales (FMS) cases, valued at $23.8 billion, with Israel. FMS cases notified to Congress are listed here; priority initiatives include: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Aircraft; CH-53K Heavy Lift Helicopters; KC-46A Aerial Refueling Tankers; and precision-guided munitions.
From FY 2018 through FY 2022, the U.S. has also authorized the permanent export of over $5.7billion in defense articles to Israel via the Direct Commercial Sales (DCS) process. The top categories of DCS to Israel were XIX-Toxicological Agents, Including Chemical Agents, Biological Agents, and Associated Equipment (this includes detection equipment ((f)), vaccines ((g)-(h)) and modeling software ((i)); IV- Launch Vehicles, Guided Missiles, Ballistic Missiles, Rockets, Torpedoes, Bombs, and Mines; and VII- Aircraft.
Since 1992, the United States has provided Israel with $6.6 billion worth of equipment under the Excess Defense Articles program, including weapons, spare parts, weapons, and simulators. U.S. European Command also maintains in Israel the U.S. War Reserve Stockpile, which can be used to boost Israeli defenses in the case of a significant military emergency.
They might go all-in against Arabic militaries, until the last Israeli, but they cannot run out of weapons any time soon.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 19 2023 19:24 utc | 105

Grim, but practical
Posted by: Tommy | Oct 19 2023 17:32 utc | 23
Yes, the only useful effect of slow. Would be even better outside or at least at the border, but that’s how it is.
However, natoids and their mercenaries can easily organize large scale terrorism with long range weapons without an army to kamikaze. they have 70% of the country, open borders, working energy and transport and so on. Very little damage outside Donbass

Posted by: rk | Oct 19 2023 19:26 utc | 107

@ unimperator, §50:
“After the sudden offensive . . . transferred the 35th, 36th, 37th and 38th separate marine brigades from . . . they were sent to Kherson at the request of Great Britain.”
So the Ukrainian war is now being conducted from Whitehall?

Posted by: John Marks | Oct 19 2023 19:32 utc | 109

@Lex – 2
Hello,
you wrote : “I don’t think the US actually knew or even thought Russia would invade Ukraine.”
If you check online media archives you will notice the opposit. Week(s) before US sounded the alarm and heralded imminent Russian intervention
most Europeans (gov. & peoples) didn’t think so, judging the US alarmist (according to some “well-informed source”, it seems that what convinced the CIA of the eminence of the assault was the massive transfer of (medical) blood to the borders with Ukraine).
I myself was paradoxically surprised : while I had been dreading such developments (legitimate on Russia’s part) for years, on the first day of the intervention I too was genuinely surprised.
As another commentator wrote a few days ago, I understood at that moment that we were going to “live in interesting times”, when, especially as a father, I was hoping for longer lead times…
BR.

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 19 2023 19:37 utc | 111

Posted by: catdog | Oct 19 2023 18:55 utc | 41
Territory is a secondary objective, killing the enemy the first. If capturing the first leads to the second then it will attempted, if not it won’t. Ukraine is a massive country, the Russian forces are comparatively small, yet Ukraine is on the third iteration of its army, unable to conduct any significant operational breakthroughs. Russia is very slowly increasing the pressure, both in terms of active operations across the front and the tempo they are conducted. Ukraine is rushing troops from one crisis zone to another, desperate to prevent the line breaking, like the proverbial boy and the dyke. The war is over, the fighting still goes on though, as it has in many conflicts that reach this point, fuelled by human irrationality.
As I’ve said on countless occasions, if Russia was struggling in achieving her operational aims then she’d look to change her tactics, as she isn’t so it’s odds on she’s satisfied with the way it’s progressing, bar the usual tweaks and changes active combatants engage in. I probably think the Russian strategy mirrors the West’s opening gambit, by using military forces as a vehicle to deploy a non-military ‘silver bullet’. In the case of the West, economic sanctions, in the case of the Russians, a political coup as a response to watching Ukraine be bled dry and existentially dismantled.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2023 19:39 utc | 113

@ unimperator, §50:
“After the sudden offensive . . . transferred the 35th, 36th, 37th and 38th separate marine brigades from . . . they were sent to Kherson at the request of Great Britain.”
So the Ukrainian war is now being conducted from Whitehall?
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 19 2023 19:32 utc | 55
Maybe so. When this enterprise crashes and burns, who better to blame than Perfidious Albion?
And as a Brit I hate to say it, but we really are DC’s lapdogs these days. And maybe for a long time before.
Looks to me like the Uk is playing high stakes poker in the big league and betting everything on maybe a pair of 3s, hoping Russia will fold first. Hmmmm….

Posted by: marcjf | Oct 19 2023 20:07 utc | 115

Anyone linking Russia’s fate to the Ruble exchange rates needs to understand that the lower the ruble is the better for the Russian military. They pay salaries and purchase weapons in Rubles. Their revenue comes from commodity sales in non-Ruble currencies. Lower Ruble exchange rate means more Rubles for every increment sold externally which means more Rubles to spend on salaries, weapons, etc. If Russia hadn’t already been disconnected from the rest of the world via sanctions this would result in extra inflation but they are autarkic now so only consumers buying foreign goods are affected by inflation. Also they are used to 10%+ inflation already and their economy is absolutely booming rn so this is actually a virtuous cycle: the lower the ruble goes the more local producers and the govt/military benefit.

Posted by: AHB | Oct 19 2023 20:24 utc | 117

“The continued suicide missions by Ukrainians, imo, is an indication that their willingness to fight is still high. The Crimea landings, Kherson landings, continued foot attacks out of Robotyne. Ukrainians I’ve spoken to say that they are prepared to fight and die, they don’t care. Even if Russia takes the country, the Ukrainians imagine that they will continue to fight as guerrillas.
Posted by: catdog | Oct 19 2023 15:57 utc | 5”
One thing that all successful insurgencies (e.g. Yemen, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe) have in common is a young population.
The median age in Yemen is some 19 years old. The median age in Ukraine was over 40, and that before the war.
Anyway, if I were a Ukrainian, I’d tell anyone who listens whatever I think the secret police want to hear.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 19 2023 20:24 utc | 119

US Global Hawk drone disabled, went back to NATO on autopilot.

Posted by: CeaClearly | Oct 19 2023 20:24 utc | 121

Posted by: John Marks | Oct 19 2023 19:32 utc | 55
“British military experts” have been running the Ukrainian military since the very beginning. They have planned pretty much every large operation:
-Snake Island attack(s) in May 2022
-Attack on Kherson
-The attack from Orekhov to Tokmak
-Attempt to storm the Zaporozhye NPP across the river
They have also now probably planned this attempt to cross over Dnieper river. They also planned the raids on Crimea. MI6 also apparently invented the “Russian Volunteer Corps” PR which made attacks in Belgorod region. Britain is the main sponsor of Ukraine and obviously it gets to dictate what they do.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2023 20:30 utc | 123

“The willingness to throw away the ‘meat’ of Ukraine’s military, it’s soldiers, is something unique to this conflict. Most responsible leadership would have taken a realistic assessment of the situation and conclude that the losses cannot be justified. Not the leadership in Ukraine, and not the leadership in the US, which complains that Ukraine is ‘casualty averse’ when it doesn’t want to sacrifice even more men.”
Since the oligarchs of Kiev are not sacrificing their children in hopeless assaults and the neocons in DC are not writing fat checks from their own personal accounts to fund the war, neither see any reason to stop the war.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 19 2023 20:34 utc | 125

Many here have realized that Ukrainian army is still very strong and highly motivated.
How can such army be defeated?
It cannot be defeated.
Russia must defeat Ukrainian society by destroying electricity, water and food resources.
The civilians would then safely leave to Germany.

Posted by: zorge | Oct 19 2023 20:45 utc | 127

Posted by: zorge | Oct 19 2023 20:45 utc | 64
Again that outright lie. Only the ukronazis are “motivated”. Mutinies, surrenders, refuse to go to the killing fields, and so on. When an army is mobilizing young women and shoolchilden, not only it has already lost, but it has also lost the future of the country. Country 404 for sure. The Ukrainian army still stands because nato is providing tools. Russia is in no hurry, destroying day after day those tools. And some people who do not understand the Russian strategy are full of illusions, such as the Ukrainian army cannot be defeated. It is already defeated0. Russia is fighting with one hand in its back, serious things did not even begin. Such as the destruction of all command centres, especially in Kiev and Lvov. For instance.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 19 2023 21:10 utc | 129

On the conflation of Israel with Banderastan to cleanse Russia: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend!” But it’s still Us vs. Them.

Posted by: persiflo | Oct 19 2023 21:14 utc | 131

Posted by: CeaClearly | Oct 19 2023 20:24 utc | 61
I wonder how the Ukrainian marines must feel, now their ‘guardian angel’ has been banished? If the Russians did jam it, and it wasn’t just a fortuitous technical malfunction, and they have prepared an ambush, then this scene from Alien might be a good visual metaphor for what is probably going to happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRXyWtv-huc

Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2023 21:19 utc | 133

Posted by: Milites | Oct 19 2023 21:19 utc | 67
My guess is they go to plan B? Whatever that is we can only speculate. But several images of needing to urgently “pee their pants” do dance through my head.

Posted by: CeaClearly | Oct 19 2023 21:37 utc | 135

@Posted by: John Marks | Oct 19 2023 19:32 utc | 55
It’s always been run from whitehall. It’s been amusing watching people discount them.

Posted by: S.O. | Oct 19 2023 21:51 utc | 137

The hot part of the conflict has a long way to run – at least until January 2025 – so at least 15 months.
Look at the Electoral calendar in 2024.
Elections in all the key players.
Ukrainian Elections (March 2024)
Russian Elections (March/April 2024)
European Union Elections (June 2024)
UK Elections (June 2024?)
USA Elections (November 2024)
There is no chance the conflict will be allowed to be resolved before any of these.
But after? Who knows.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 19 2023 23:00 utc | 139

It is difficult to see why the Ukrainian people- as suggested at least twice above- have such high morale and fight with such ferocity.
I don’t believe a word of it. Everything we know about Ukraine suggests that the population is fleeing, the economy is failing and that the place has become a dictatorship in which dissent is punished by beatings and imprisonment- if you are lucky.
If morale was high now would be a great time to hold elections and thousands of exiles would be pouring into the country to join the fight.
Nothing of the sort is happening.
Furthermore there are no indications that Ukrainians- a martial race is ever there was one- are actually invested in this war at all.
Ukrainians have more sense than to want to risk their lives for a cause which is diametrically opposed to their interests- a cause which takes away their rich agricultural land and gives it to US based monopolies who employ about two labourers for every five thousand acres, a cause which has already cut living standards in half and banned all attempts, from Unions to anti-wage theft laws, to protect what is left, a cause that has demolished the social safety net and left most people without healthcare, unemployment insurance, pensions or education beyond the Hitler Youth curriculum.
Anyone who believes that a popular uprising and guerrilla resistance would follow a Russian victory probably images that Zelensky would lead it.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 19 2023 23:39 utc | 141

Since there’s no more Wagner to sacrifice foot soldiers for military objectives the sensible solution to Avdeevka is to bury the Ukies in their underground fortress. No need to go in to root them out.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 19 2023 23:45 utc | 143

Catdog’s posts convey something rarely acknowledged or discussed here, which is why they hit something of a nerve: why do the Ukrainians fight? A: because they are utterly and hopelessly brainwashed. They are probably the most controlled and brainwashed people on earth outside of North Korea. Their dying people are called “heroes” and “liberators.” They practically celebrate the deaths. If there is an internal “opposition” in Western Ukraine (i.e. non Russian speaking) I have yet to detect any trace of its existence. Of course the western democratic darling Zelensky has banned all opposition and independent media.
It then begs the question why are they being goaded into exterminating themselves? Who benefits? And here we see that virtually all sides (except the people themselves) benefit from this. NATO gets free cannon fodder to kill Russians and weaken Russia. E.U. Maybe still has eyes on their “Lebensraum.” There is the “new Israel theory” of depopulation. Russians have little use for this brainwashed rabble and mostly feel anyone worth a damn has already left. Hence the slo-mo that accomplishes little else but rapidly killing Ukrainians.
Just an opinion, but I think they really will fight to the last Ukrainian right up until the day the western money stops flowing in. Money and corruption grease all the wheels there it seems. Russia seems to be banking on this day coming soon.

Posted by: Moonraker | Oct 19 2023 23:57 utc | 145

According to Newsweek today amerika has finally delivered the Abrams main battle tanks it promised the ukies back in jan/feb 2023. Of course as Newsweek does point out this is a lot later than the Leopard tanks which amerika insisted germany must send to the nazis. Understandably the german premier Scholtz was reluctant for tanks made by Rheinmetall (same company but different name changed from Reichmetall to Rheinmetall after ww2, who built the tiger & panther mbt’s used by ww2 nazis in Ukraine/Russia) to be rolling across the Steppes once more so he had told the amerikans that he would send Leopards to the ukies if amerika also sent abrams gas guzzlers. Germany kept their end of the deal but (surprise, surprise) amerikan neocons did not keep their’s.
Now long after the great autumn winter spring summer offensive has finally petered out with nothing more than hundreds of thousands of dead ukies to show for it, after much pressure from b.’s mob (sorry b. I know you didn’t support ’em but they do claim to be your leaders) amerika has decided to send the abrams knowing that they cannot be of any possible use to the ukies.
This means if the ukies use ’em and they all get bogged, bombed or breakdown, amerika can dismiss any criticism with “They used them wrong, we told the ukies not to use ’em in winter”. On the other hand if the Ukies don’t use ’em, most likely because the logistics demands of these huge white elephants are simply too much, those same amerikan neocon wise-arses will say “The ukies did this to themselves, we gave them abrams MBTs but they refused to implement them. Then they maybe even insinuate that the abrams are about to turn up in Africa or Palestine because of the corruption zelenski hasn’t managed to get a handle on.
win:win for amerikan neocons, lose:lose for ukie nazis. That should make people cheer of course nevermind the bitter taste in any decent human’s mouth.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 20 2023 0:12 utc | 147

@ Moonraker | Oct 19 2023 23:57 utc | 73
Keep in mind that the vast majority of press-ganged troops have been culturally Russians from the east, and despised minorities from the west (Hungarians, Transcarpathian Rusyns). It’s easy to be gung-ho when your number isn’t being called, or when you’re holding a gun at the backs of the aforementioned press-ganged demographics.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 20 2023 0:16 utc | 149

>> Then who will run a failed, dismembered country without access to the sea?
>>
>> Posted by: Naive | Oct 19 2023 19:15 utc | 52
Putin will sue for peace at the earliest opportunity. He will not take Odessa because he is either a p*ssy or compromised. Everyone knows this about Putin, even here on MoA that fact is bemoaned. Maybe he has undeclared kids in Europe that serve as leverage against him, who knows. Obviously that’s well known about Lavrov. Shoigu’s son, too.
He and the upper echelon in Russia just want to keep the resource export skim going and continued access to their foreign accounts. Putin will continue selling resources and food, not move up the value-added chain and instead import these high-value goods from China et al, and nothing will change until he is gone and probably not even then.

Posted by: ivanislav | Oct 20 2023 0:18 utc | 151

In response to
”
US Global Hawk drone disabled, went back to NATO on autopilot.
Posted by: CeaClearly | Oct 19 2023 20:24 utc | 61
”
I like reading it but require a link of confirmation, please and thank you.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 20 2023 0:24 utc | 153

Ukranian people – mostly the rural ones – hope to stay further on their still owned lands.
Others will leave the Ukrainian contry asap. as they can.
Tomorrow, UKR is an “Empty employee State”. All workers have to be imported (eg by China, etc.) to get the next furure Ukraine economy.
Beside of the Monsanto, B.Gates, Soros, BlackRock etc. companies / guys, the Ukrania State has NO CHANCE .. why that ,, why NOT ?
UKrania has a chance. But never with the above-called participants/partisans.
When Mr. Piano-Cock Player have “disappeared” on his show, some other US-styled gentlemen will appear.
They, the US/UK finance-market gamblers will privately occupy the good Ukranian Country.
That’s all to expect in 2024 ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 20 2023 0:36 utc | 155

Some videos for today.
Russian precision strikes destroy enemy armored vehicles near Kupyansk:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20231019_233222_982:d
Russian ATGM destroys Marder infantry fighting vehicle:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/germanmarderhitatgm:2
Russian Su-34 conducts airstrike on an enemy fortified position along the southern DPR front:
https://rutube.ru/video/12a61a7a9633f052003ad44ff292feb1/
Russian Lancet destroys Kiev regime military fuel truck:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/dM4NKH27Ufk0tEC8:0
Russian drone strike destroys group of enemy infantry:
https://rutube.ru/video/492ceeb9722096adc167a8b927bbf893/

Posted by: Nate | Oct 20 2023 1:01 utc | 157

With the 2 US vetoes in less than 48 hours it’s clear US has given Israel the green light to enter Gaza and enact the planned One State Solution.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231019/live-updates-israel-defense-forces-strike-hezbollahs-observation-point-along-lebanon-border-1114307620.html

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 20 2023 1:01 utc | 159

rezident_ua quoted by Down South @39: “And with the loss of Avdiivka, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will lose the opportunity to put pressure on Donetsk…”
This is infuriating. Nazi scum are upset over losing the ability to murder civilians. They’ll deny it, but they know they are deliberately targeting civilians to “put pressure on Donetsk”.
This is why all Nazis deserve to die.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 20 2023 1:07 utc | 161

Posted by: bevin | Oct 19 2023 23:39 utc | 71

Ukrainians have more sense than to want to risk their lives for a cause which is diametrically opposed to their interests- a cause which takes away their rich agricultural land and gives it to US based monopolies who employ about two labourers for every five thousand acres, a cause which has already cut living standards in half and banned all attempts, from Unions to anti-wage theft laws, to protect what is left, a cause that has demolished the social safety net and left most people without healthcare, unemployment insurance, pensions or education beyond the Hitler Youth curriculum. ..

I appreciate your correct statement above as a true fact of today, anyway have nothing to say once more.
But pls. have a remark hereto slightly beyond:
US will – now (2023-10-15) officially – sent its ATACMS’s to UKR. That means as known before – those have been “installed” yet a little bit more than a couple of weeks on stratecical UKR locations.
The fact is:
Several RF-Helis were destroyed – either in action – or staying on its airfields.
This is not a good msg to MoD!
Keep attention – even when US send ATACM’s max. 300 km unexpected hit Your(RF) headquarter!
This is a failure by you (RF). Putin knows it. The ATACM’s delivered by the US to destroy RF-Supports deep within its “Back land” is a real issue.
So, RF is working on that ..
Beside, they have started some MIG-35 equipped with “Khinzhals” hanging below, over the 2 US-MIL Plane-Carriers, .. only “watching” .. you know:
When I watch, You have nothing to do here in my area” v.s.
Ramstein – a good welcome – kept you.

Posted by: spare-truth | Oct 20 2023 1:31 utc | 163

Ramstein – in Germany – Is the US-Airforce Headquarter in Europe & Worldwide.
It’s located look-up Gggl: “Wiesbaden – Ramstein”
Wiesbaden is near Frankfurt in Germany, to notice:
All US-Airstrikes (even nuclear) will be started by Reconn “ONLY” from here.
Knew that?
So, Russia (Mr. Putin) just has canccelled the “NonTestNuclearWeapons” treaty,
or whatever the real name may be.
The USA have never signed this contract, RF did.
Now, RF cancelled this countract, means: RF can further make nuclear bomb testings.
What a bad guy – what’s that now?
US would start the “same” nuclear tests – once more in Arizona .. or where’?
They (US) have no more Test-Areas.
RF have some of it on own lands – and will starting test there.
Biden + Son + Trump – Go home, be lucky when not anymore being on COURT !

Posted by: spare-truth | Oct 20 2023 1:57 utc | 165

Julian | Oct 19 2023 23:00 utc | 70
All those elections next year make for an interesting setting indeed (didn’t know Ukraine also on the list). Someone speculated, and I find it fairly convincing, that the final offensive would take place after the Russian, but before the US elections. Putin doesn’t want to take major risks before March imo, and the US will be too busy with their internal campaign, er, “debates”. They’ll try to bury Ukraine in the news cycle, and certainly won’t risk increased involvement before November 2024.
Tak-Tik | Oct 19 2023 19:37 utc | 56
Similar thoughts here. Having watched tensions ebbing up and down for 8 years, I expected this new round of escalation would be resolved diplomatically, like all the previous ones. So, while from a big-picture view the Ukraine conflict was the “most expected war of the century”, widely discussed for 30+ years, the actual escalation into a full-blown (well, half-blown) war surprised me.
The question ‘why’ (and not earlier) is interesting indeed. Seems Moscow didn’t have enough leverage elsewhere, and London had some unforeseen trick up its sleeve. Remember Liz Truss went to Kiev one day before the AFU began their artillery offensive on Donbass – must’ve made Z. an offer he “couldn’t refuse”.
(Also, that weekend was G20 FinMin/CB meeting, and US/UK were in a rather weak position.)

Posted by: smuks | Oct 20 2023 2:09 utc | 167

even here on MoA that fact is bemoaned
ivanislav | Oct 20 2023 0:18 utc | 76
Thanks, you made me laugh. 🙂
(beMoAned on MoA)
As for the rest of your post: You may be right that Putin & Lavrov won’t take things till the end, and instead opt to end the war when the possibility arises. Whether that’s good or bad, dunno.
But as for relations with Europe, it would be strategically short-sighted to burn all bridges and focus entirely on China and the BRICS (i.e. place all eggs in one basket). Russia as a major power is well-advised to search and balance relations with *all* neighbours, in order to maximise its future strategic options. Also, the country just isn’t big enough to develop all those ‘high-value’ economic sectors; it has to focus on a limited number/ on its ‘strengths’.

Posted by: smuks | Oct 20 2023 2:20 utc | 169

So there are some doubts acc.to to the current RF MIL Successes/Losses (on either side per day: 200 died, 200 injured came back to their locally installed batallion- or not)..
That’s a terrible number of dead persons on either side.
Why they are doing that risking their lives + all of its faqmily?
Are they crazy?
Semm’s so. But Noone can imagine what a “Subscription” convoy may have a pressure to go ahead for Ukrain, so I’ll go with only a AK-47.

Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 20 2023 2:25 utc | 171

Maybe some heard that Germany (and other EU countries) are re-instating border checks on their *eastern* borders. I do wonder about the timing: It’s becoming obvious that neither the US nor EU are very willing to keep supporting Ukraine indefinitely. Bearing in mind what Z. said some while ago about “possible terror attacks by frustrated Ukies” – could that be the real reason for controlling the border more tightly?
(No, he didn’t say that verbatim of course, but something along those lines.)
spare_truth | Oct 20 2023 0:36 utc | 78
The destitute (economic) future of Ukraine has been discussed for a long time. In fact, population peaked around 2000 (52 Mio methinks) and has been in steep decline ever since; current estimates for Kiev-controlled territory c. 20 Mio.
Who cares? Certainly not the West. Sure, the country could be used for major refugee resettlement programmes, which would make both economic and strategic sense. But the western plan (presumably) is for Cargill, Monsanto etc. to do agriculture 4.0 for export – which requires almost zero human labour. Working-age Ukrainians will stay in Europe to do low-paid service work.

Posted by: smuks | Oct 20 2023 2:39 utc | 173

Now, I’m proud :
I’ve just today assembled some Tattoo-Guys to assemble to me as the “Anti-Russian Warriours” Guys,
But then, asking them for what to fight, they answered:
“Doesn’t matter, we fight for you(?) as it’s necessarily needed, and you further to co-operate.
So that’s the msgs like, you will receive.
That’s def-ly and clearly some msgs sent by CIA planning actually suspect OPs.
So wait for the next “BIG BOMB” , perhaps in Tel-Aviv ? .

Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 20 2023 2:44 utc | 175

Posted by: smuks | Oct 20 2023 2:39 utc | 87

The destitute (economic) future of Ukraine has been discussed for a long time. In fact, population peaked around 2000 (52 Mio methinks) and has been in steep decline ever since; current estimates for Kiev-controlled territory c. 20 Mio.
Who cares? Certainly not the West. Sure, the country could be used for major refugee resettlement programmes, which would make both economic and strategic sense. But the western plan (presumably) is for Cargill, Monsanto etc. to do agriculture 4.0 for export – which requires almost zero human labour. Working-age Ukrainians will stay in Europe to do low-paid service work.

You are truely speaking, but some mentioned “figures” do not match my statistics sampled at “this war”.
You are right! That’s all here to say (even 800 civis have died in a ONE Hospital Building – who can do such a strike technically today .. ? .. ?).

Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 20 2023 3:04 utc | 177

Biden wants to throw another $60B at Ukraine, contradicting the CIA which prefers to call it quits.
No limit to self deception in DC.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 20 2023 3:14 utc | 179

The goal is to keep any still available agriculture resoursses under control.
That is the goal of US-like “investors” like Monsanto, Gates, Biden/Nuland ..
But excuse, we here (MoA) all knew that facts.
So what to complan to “What”.
Search a solution, is not possible unless using “power”.
So wait – no more no less – let “Others” make a good job ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 20 2023 3:20 utc | 181

The continued suicide missions by Ukrainians, imo, is an indication that their willingness to fight is still high. The Crimea landings, Kherson landings, continued foot attacks out of Robotyne. Ukrainians I’ve spoken to say that they are prepared to fight and die, they don’t care. Even if Russia takes the country, the Ukrainians imagine that they will continue to fight as guerrillas.
Posted by: catdog | Oct 19 2023 15:57 utc | 5
Yet the ones caught as prisoners by the Russian forces always claim they were forced to fight. Of course they could very well be lying but that is the common story for most of them.

Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 20 2023 3:27 utc | 183

Posted by: smuks | Oct 20 2023 2:20 utc | 85
“Russia as a major power is well-advised to search and balance relations with *all* neighbours, in order to maximise its future strategic options. Also, the country just isn’t big enough to develop all those ‘high-value’ economic sectors; “
Hmm, that’s the first time I’ve seen anybody mention that russia ‘isn’t big enough’
I have no doubt the Kremlin thinks so, hence it’s lust for conquering territory.

Posted by: Membrum Virile | Oct 20 2023 3:33 utc | 185

The fact is:
Several RF-Helis were destroyed – either in action – or staying on its airfields.

Posted by: spare-truth | Oct 20 2023 1:31 utc | 82
The new hobby of Russians is painting.
For example, one loves to paint ridiculous red lines everywhere and everyone ignores his hobby.
But there are still a few Russians who paint 2-dimensional airplanes and helicopters on the airfields.
Perhaps these unfair works of art were not ignored this time?

Posted by: theo | Oct 20 2023 4:08 utc | 187

Thank you, John Marks @51

Posted by: chet380 | Oct 20 2023 4:15 utc | 189

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ #Chronicle of the Special Military Operation for 19 October 2023⚡️
🔹In the #Donetsk direction, Russian troops continue their operation to cover the #Avdeyevka fortified area. On the northern flank, soldiers of the RF Armed Forces have occupied the heap, but the enemy managed to counterattack near #Berdychi and push the Russian units back towards the railway.
🔹To the south of #Avdeyevka, the Assault Squads of the RF Armed Forces have managed to expand the zone of control near the railway line in recent days, nevertheless, the situation remains tense at the site. The Ukrainian command is redeploying additional forces and preparing for counterattack attempts.
🔹Meanwhile, in the #Kherson direction, enemy saboteurs landed and attacked #Krynki. They managed to gain a foothold in the village and advanced all the way to the road, but after artillery and air strikes they were forced out to the northern outskirts of the village.
🔹In the #Vremyevka and #Orekhov sections, the situation has not changed significantly. Positional battles and artillery duels continue. The Ukrainian formations occasionally make sluggish attempts to attack, all of which are successfully suppressed by artillery and small arms fire.

https://t.me/sitreports/16720

Posted by: Down South | Oct 20 2023 4:32 utc | 191

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Battle for #Avdeyevka – Situation until 20:00 on 19 October 2023⚡️
🗓 After several days of relative calm, around the fortified area, Russian troops resumed their assault on Ukrainian positions in several areas after artillery preparations.
🔹 On the northern flank, the fighters of the RF Armed Forces as a result of fierce fighting managed to fully occupy the most important stronghold on the terrace. The AFU under cover of tank fire retreated behind the railway track. The positions are now being cleared.
▪️ After the initial push towards #Berdychi, the AFU transferred several battalions of the 31st and 110th Mechanized Brigades to reinforce the lines. This allowed the enemy to push the RF Armed Forces back to the railway. Now there is the line of control.
🔹In the south of #Avdeyevka, the Russian army also conducted an offensive since several days. During the attack with the support of artillery they managed to advance from the #Avdeyevka Ring Road to the railway station “km 450”.
❗️Suspicious activity of the AFU is also observed in #Pervomayskoye. Mechanised groups, presumably of the 59th Separate Motorized Infantry Brigade, are being deployed to the village. Judging by the movements, the AFU wants to attack the #Vodyanoye – #Peski line from the flank while the RF Armed Forces are distracted on the offensive.
📌 The offensive by the RF Armed Forces near #Avdeyevka continues in a systematic manner without sharp and hasty actions in order to save the lives of personnel. The enemy has transferred a large amount of forces and means to stabilise the front.

https://t.me/sitreports/16718

Posted by: Down South | Oct 20 2023 4:34 utc | 193

US is sending artillery shells initially designated for Ukraine to Israel, as reported by Axios.
Tens of thousands of 155mm shells from US emergency stockpiles are involved in this situation.
Israeli military officials urgently require these shells for their preparations for a potential ground operation in the Gaza Strip and to deter Hezbollah forces in the north.
U.S. officials have agreed to supply these shells to Israel, believing that diverting the weapons away from Ukraine will not impact the ability of the AFU to fight.
It’s important to note that these shells were initially provided to Israel from their stockpile and then transferred to the Kiev regime. In the current situation, Israel is demanding, rather than requesting, the return of this debt, and Washington cannot refuse Tel Aviv.
Ultimately, it’s Kiev that remains at a disadvantage, lacking both its own production capacity and the necessary funds. The consequences of the shortage of shells at the combat line are quite foreseeable.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/69383

Posted by: Down South | Oct 20 2023 4:36 utc | 195

Yesterday some clowns in uk and eu talked about how there will not be a return to prewar trade with russia even after the war is over and another regime rules in russia, in regards to oil/lng.
All this posturing again, but i think its not about the “brutal and unprovoked aggression“, but rather the fact that they would have to use other currencies aside from euro and dollar, and that is their main issue/problem now.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 20 2023 4:44 utc | 197

…… People talk of the war continuing until mid 2024 or even 2025, but is that really practicable?……
As long as the War Party in Washington can sell cheap debt – the war will continue

Posted by: Exile | Oct 20 2023 5:01 utc | 199