While submunitions can have a good effect on helos parked on the ground, the pilots and maintenance crews probably had few casualties. Some of the helos can be repaired. Russia has many more in reserve, and will spread them out (when on the ground) now to make any further attacks less productive.
Weather is getting more rainy, meaning FVP quadcopters will be less effective for both sides. Russian Lancet can fly better in the rain, so advantage there.
At what point does Ukraine artillery become a non-factor? Russia has taken out a LOT of old Soviet and NATO artillery pieces, there has to be a tipping point where it no longer has a large influence.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 17 2023 13:25 utc | 3

@ Tesla, #239,§264:
Fico, the new PM of Slovakia, will hopefully put an end to the EU shenanigans in Mihalovce.

Posted by: John Marks | Oct 17 2023 13:38 utc | 5

266
1)
Vietnam
40 kilometres from Saigon, around an area known as the Iron Triangle in the Cu Chi district, were the most complex Viet Cong underground fortifications.
During the Vietnam War, the US Air Force heavily bombed Cu Chi actually almost day and nights 24/7 with bunker busters.
Many reports from vietkong fighters available
They all survived
2)
Kosovo
Serbs had a underground network in Kosovo
US bombed with Bunker Busters
Serbs inside the Bunkers & tunnels survived
They were reporting about the impacts that they could feel the pressure in stomach & breast like a slight punch
The reported how the walls began to crack
Of course today u ve modernized versions of bunker busters but impact is still the same.
But ok lets see what will be the results of Israhell bombing campaign

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 17 2023 13:41 utc | 7

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/68843 1:18 am timestamp am for me
Note: This is a breaking story, we will provide further information as it becomes available
It’s not a good morning.
Last night, the khokhols launched a missile strike on one of our airfields, where army aviation was based. One of the most serious blows of the entire SMO, if not the most serious.
There are both human and equipment losses.
There is no point writing about us “needing to draw conclusions so that this doesn’t happen again.” This kind of thing will happen again as long as the war continues. We must be prepared for this.
8:27 am now for me.
Whatever happened the news is the lack of news.
RF has been sparse on news from Adviika, especially geolocated videos. In general, one lengthy in distance series of counterattacks, especially in the area of Adviika. 200s and 300s galore among the UKR forces and who really knows how many have surrendered from the UKR.
The severe diminishment of news, this is not just due to the events in Israel, this is very probably a decision made by RF weeks ago.
All things are connected. My biggest question these days is, will – actually “when” will RF and Turkiye start sending humanitarian aid to Gaza through Gazan ports?
I do believe UKR will muddle along for a couple more months. The 750 KV and 350 KV UKR substations are probably safe until Gaza gets electricity back as long as UKR does not flail too much and/or target successfully civilians in RF.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Oct 17 2023 13:43 utc | 9

Posted by: paxmark1 | Oct 17 2023 13:43 utc | 5
The info blackout from Avdeevka is most likely a deliberate decision made even beforehand it began. Consequentially, only AFU reports or videos are available, which usually are cut in a neat way or represented in a way to hyperbole everything to the tune of 600%. One can notice that nothing from Avdeevka is even included on the clobber list.
My guess is there is no shortcut for those forts, which extend north-west and probably west to Avdeevka. They must be reconned and then hit with large bunker busting bombs to neutralize the ammo depots and firing positions and entrances. Of course, we don’t have details how far those structures extend past Avdeevka, but probably far enough to slow things down.
As far as the attack on Berdaynsk air base, it was an ATACMS with some sort of cassette of cluster munitions. Since aircraft are usually thin metal they probably are rendered useless.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2023 13:50 utc | 11

#6 much obliged. mange tusen takk, many thousand thank you’s.

Posted by: paxmark1 | Oct 17 2023 13:54 utc | 13

@b
I believe the current Ukrainian offensive was already in a preparation stagw fifteen days ago. I saw a brief statement on Rybar or some other Telegram channel and I posred a brief note here back then. It seems to me the UAF will use the ATACMS in future combined arms operations. This was a practice run.
I view this development as a sign that the US armed forces are becoming more deeply involved in the Ukrainian conflict.

Posted by: Richard L | Oct 17 2023 14:25 utc | 15

Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 13:08 utc | 1
Love the way you just swallow RF propaganda whole, while accusing others of propaganda. Quite the cognitive dissonace you got going on there sport.
Posted by: Get Some | Oct 17 2023 14:17 utc | 10
My take on the situation is that Russia puts put news that favors Russia, and Ukraine puts out news that so favors Ukraine that it is disconnected from reality. Thus it doesn’t rise to the level of being useful information.
I am old enough that as a child I can remember the debate that went on between Nikita Khrushchev and President Nixon. Back then it was the Russians that lived in their mental never-never land. Now it is us.

Posted by: Jmaas | Oct 17 2023 14:33 utc | 17

John Marks @ 3

Fico, the new PM of Slovakia, will hopefully put an end to the EU shenanigans in Mihalovce.

More likely he’ll turn out like Meloni in Italy, or Tusk in Poland, total con job on the electorate.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 17 2023 14:38 utc | 19

Posted by: zorge | Oct 17 2023 14:37 utc | 13
the population is so enthusiastic that many (most?) of them have left, and they are using old men and teens to fight.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 14:38 utc | 21

Posted by: Jmaas | Oct 17 2023 14:33 utc | 12
Nixon wasn’t president till 1968. Kruschev was out of power then.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 14:42 utc | 23

@ pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 14:42 utc | 16
IIRC it was an exchange (hardly a debate) between Khrushchov and VICE President Nixon. Nixon was VP from January 1953 to January 1961.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 17 2023 14:48 utc | 25

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 17 2023 14:48 utc | 17
yeah, i just don’t think the US had any more of a clue back then than they do now.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 14:55 utc | 27

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/17/atacms-missile-ukraine-russia-war/
18 missiles to destroy 9 helicopters, one AD unit and some ammo and ‘special equipment’, and that’s the Ukrainian version so perhaps a 20-30% haircut on those figures. Hardly a wunderwaffen, and why not deployed to support the offensive, given the effectiveness of Russian Frontal Aviation at blunting the armoured attacks. This seems more like a variant of the Gorbachev gambit in Afghanistan being played before the West leaves and ‘switches off the lights’.
Using these new systems piecemeal, without supporting any operation is the hallmark of desperation. Striking numerous forward airfields, especially ground personnel and flight crews, whilst launching large armoured thrusts makes sense, dribbling in a few, when the offensive is over and the armour already destroyed suggests straw clutching. Russian strike platforms are robust and grass field capable, so damaging runways is irrelevant, they’ll just disperse more and the AD systems will have their algorithms tweaked after analysis of data from this attack.
Fitting they called it ‘Operation Dragonfly’ as that insect has a lifespan of between 1-8 weeks, which is probably the time the Ukrainians have left, before collapse, either internally or from external forces.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 17 2023 14:55 utc | 29

Well, who cares? It’s not as if people of quality will suffer from the deployment of such assets against RF, only the worthless plebs. That is their role after all, right?
On the other hand, all the fabulous folks that spat on Russia to travel elsewhere and even returned when the reception wasn’t as warm as expected, well now, we can’t be too harsh on them, can we? We couldn’t nationalize the shit out of these people to strengthen the country ans invigorate the war effort, because that would be Bolshevism or something and would have broken good ol’ Yeltsin’s heart.
Now, some might suggest that at some point the globalist scum and the Anglo-American empire should feel the heat for playing with fire, but that would be too radical and might hurt the feelings of those who want to continue full Dolce Vita in Russia. So the show will continue with more losses for the chumps, I mean the patriotic folks who brave the missiles, DU ordnance and all such assets that would never come close to harming the elites.
Somehow, I seriously doubt that, should push come to shove, the Chinese would put up with this type of phoney tough crap coming from the Anglo-Americans and their vassals…

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 17 2023 15:03 utc | 31

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 14:38 utc | 15
The most brutal and lethal blows against the Russians come directly from NATO personnel. This is either professional units on the ground or specialists operating high-tech assets that Russia thinks it’s okay to be used against its forces.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 17 2023 15:15 utc | 33

Russia is supposed to have eased up on Advika assault and wait for winter in December, according to British spy agency. Not surprise. Putin has no guts and is Expert in making winnable war into a frozen conflict. Putin has no guts that is why 3rdrate country like england openly wages war on Russia with no consequence on England. Shameful Russia. It relies on initiative of enemies with no initiative of its own. Putin must not be allowed another term. Sergei lavrov and pesko are British spies. Russia is under grave danger.

Posted by: Sam | Oct 17 2023 15:17 utc | 35

July 2006 warning about Russian treachery.
Iran and Russia
 RUSSIA NOT REALIZE THAT IF EVER IRAN IS ATTACKED AND DEFEATED BY USA THEN RUSSIA WILL LOSE ALL STATUS AND PRESTIGE OF EVEN THIRD RATE Power INT HE WORLD AND THEN NO COUNTRY WILL BE Willing TO BE ON SIDE OF Russia Because EVERYONE WANTS TO BE WITH A STRONG Country WHO CAN ORDER AND MANAGE THE AGENDA AS AMERICA IS TRYING TO DO AND THEN RUSSIA WILL BE =DESTROYED AS IS THE VERY INSTEDSION OF USA?
RUSSIA MUST NOT LET USA Score ANY MORE POINT ANYWHERE LET ALONE IN IRAN OTHERWISE RUSSIA IS FINISHED EVEN AS A COUNTRY .
 
 
=========================================================================
 
iran and russia.
 
If russia foolishly stop busher plant work or does not support iran a=verses the west then russia will be doomed as well because then resurgent west ,which has ben plotting against russia too,will have encircled and weakened russia.and russia will have no friend to look to when it is under pressure from the west.
therefore russia must support all the countries who have stood against angloamerican evil -only by this method russia and other countries can maintain their independence.
Written in 2006.
Russia wS wasting time and duping iran with no intention to supply paid for s300 to iran.

Posted by: Sam | Oct 17 2023 15:20 utc | 37

The English version of the Daily Report is now out.
The attack, as claimed by Ukraine, was with 18 ATAMCS. But, according to the Russians, GLSBD, ground launched small diameter bombs, were also involved.
The Daily Report says:

Five tactical missiles and four U.S.-manufactured guided GLSDB bombs have been intercepted.

I have seen pictures of two downed ATAMSC tactical missiles.
Again – no wunderwaffe but an extension of artillery reach.

Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 15:27 utc | 39

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 17 2023 15:15 utc | 19
NATO is still losing the war. which means the US is losing the war. The US was already embarked on the course of failure in 1960, it’s all playing out now.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 15:32 utc | 41

Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 15:27 utc | 22
I do not think anyone seriously considers the possibility of wunderwaffen weapons showing up and changing the course of the war decisively. However, the cost inflicted of the Russians by accumulation isn’t trivial. For this the Russian government should have stuck to its promise to bring about consequences to those who would cross its”redlines”. That didn’t happen and the result was a prolonging of the conflict with far greater losses on the Russians and the Ukrainians – I leave out Ukro-Nazis and NATO swine, they should be put down without pity – while undermining the credibility of the Russian government. This just didn’t need to happen. And no, that doesn’t mean that the RF should go immediately into nuclear mode.
I mean, there were so many serious western analysts who warned about the dangers of NATO doing far less than it has done and they have been proven wrong so till now precisely because there seem to be no meaningful consequences for the Anglo-American empire. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong too, but the bastards do not seem to back down at all. If anything, they appear to consider any attempts for de-escalation as a sign of weakness.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 17 2023 15:40 utc | 43

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 15:32 utc | 23
Yet the problem is that the overlords of the Anglo-American empire do not appear to be defeated right now. At all. And don’t take it wrong, I would love to see them hang, but they just double down, inflicting real harm to countless people directly and indirectly, including their own.
It owuld seem to me that that video in the UNSC, when Vasily Nebenzia pulling effectively anyone against the wishes of their masters to stand up in silence for ALL victims of the conflict in Ukraine is very representative of the state of affairs today. It would require some reassurance, motivation, even pressure for all those beaten down by the globalist regime to stand up and see the scum back down in defeat.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 17 2023 15:48 utc | 45

Shаlom, sweetie)
You know that we are not our favorite fried news, but the panic and hysteria in the morning on the AA site in Berdyansk, so we had to bother people who are running and flying there. Honestly, I don’t know what and how much was flown – honestly, I don’t know, there are some photos with M74 elements from ATACMS, but we won’t vouch for their reliability, based on the source.
Preliminary from what is known: no killed, wounded from the technical staff. On boards – 2 to scrap and 7 damaged, most likely, under restoration, but it will be clear later. For such a massive strike, the funds that were saved for something, but were given as retaliation for the strike on the Odessa airfield – in essence, a pittance.
Health to the wounded, and the iron factories of our world-conspirators have plenty of iron.
A special salute to “our” military bloggers who virtually killed a whole regiment.
Observe information hygiene and wash your hands after the Internet.
@Slavyangrad
https://t.me/VampireSix/919

Posted by: Fernando Boeing | Oct 17 2023 15:56 utc | 47

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 17 2023 15:48 utc | 25
people are standing up right now, some get beaten down, but more arise. sure the US can always commit suicide, but that isn’t “winning’ altho it is a possibility because there are some maniacs in Washington. The UN is rigged in favor of the US (they set it up), but the rest of the world has an advantage in population and increasingly even in wealth. meanwhile the US itself is on the downward spiral. there are already a lot of dissatisfied americans, and for that matter europeans. those are costs. there is no question the US and NATO can do a lot of harm before they finally. one way or another, end as THE world power.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 16:02 utc | 49

I tend to agree with some aspects that Constantine mentions above. It’s clear that the West doesn’t care about any red lines and hopefully Russia finally stops using this phrase, it’s pointless considering the amount of weapons already in the hands of ukes.
However, this is an unsual war meaning it’s fully funded by a side which is technically not part of the actual fighting which sadly seem to have unlimited amount of money to give.
I (for one) was expecting some sort of financial issues for the US but it seems that due to the “generosity” of the EU which basically sent their industry in US and buys expensive LNG, it managed to keep their economy going and by doing it, continue to fund and produce weapons for Ukraine.
While some weapons are given in high quantities, some are also used for testing ground and Ukraine is the best place to do it. Cheap for them but expensive for Ukr/Ru soldiers.
It’s very annoying to see those neocon pigs gloating about the cheapness of this war, but in a way .. they are sadly right.

Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 17 2023 16:10 utc | 51

10
„…..like ISIS..“
Hahaha 😁
With somebody like Netanyahoo in Kremlin u would get ur Millions of death ukronazis
Same Like Germans the Ukronazi civilians must be denazified the painful way. Otherwise they will never learn it. Once they smell their own blood the nazi settings in their brains will disappear
After ur million desth ukronazis we can discuss again about ukro isis terminator 😆
Ukronazis re just in a beneficial position because of of small brothers lovers in Kremlin
Don’t understand he love for Ukraine
Another chess move nobody understands?
Or maybe chessmaster has Ukraine blood in his venes?
Like the Ukrobastard Blinken or Nuland or Freeland…..
So many ukrobastards on powerful political positions

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 17 2023 16:28 utc | 53

1. It’s a great way to attack grounded aircraft. It requires less precision and I bet repairing the damage is a pain in the rear end.
2. Ukrophiles have been talking up how they devastated Russian at Avdeevka by using minefields and drone spotted artillery. Anyone know if this is true? Both Russian and Ukraine claim to thwart attacks using this method. How will tactics change as a result of this war. It looks like mine clearing technology is a must.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 17 2023 16:36 utc | 55

Constantine | Oct 17 2023 15:40 utc | 24
“I do not think anyone seriously considers the possibility of wunderwaffen weapons showing up and changing the course of the war decisively.”
Short of a change in the Russian leadership to a team that is willing to fight an actual war against an enemy fully committed, there sure won’t be any “Wunderwaffen”.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 17 2023 16:51 utc | 57

It’s pretty much a cluster f*** at the moment. Both sides basically have everything they need. Drones, mines, satellite imagery (Uks from NATO), lots of artillery. We won’t see any big advances anytime soon.
What I hope is indeed that Ru inflicts as much damage to uke manpower as possible. It might be their only relevant option to break the deadlock.

Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 17 2023 16:57 utc | 59

Blast from the past.
The Kitchen Debate
Nixon and Khruschev debated in a model American home built for an international exhibition in Moscow in 1959.
Wikipedia: The Kitchen Debate
Note that the Americans and the Soviets of the period were far more accommodating of each other, even cold warriors like Nixon, than the Americans are today.

Posted by: karel.v.praze | Oct 17 2023 17:00 utc | 61

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 17 2023 14:42 utc | 13
Nixon wasn’t president till 1968. Kruschev was out of power then.
—-
The debate happened while Nixon was Eisenhower’s VP. It was the famous “kitchen” debate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Debate

Posted by: john brewster | Oct 17 2023 17:07 utc | 63

Posted by: Fernando Boeing | Oct 17 2023 15:56 utc | 27
A voice of sanity finally, those damaged would need to be hit directly or near missed because those airframes are designed to be proof against 12.7-23mm rounds. The key statistic, if correct, is no technical personnel were injured, the British lost nearly 300 tanks in a day in Normandy, but the only thing that concerned them was crew casualties as they had two tanks spare for each bailed crew. Ditto the reason why the USAAF postponed daylight bombing in ‘43, the airframes lost were easily replaceable the aircrews were not. Stop fixating on platforms and start focusing on trained personnel, and here Ukraine have taken devastating loses in key technicians and NCO’s.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 17 2023 17:09 utc | 65

The attack with the ATACMS today is also a new escalation from a different point of view: the transfer was not announced beforehand. This means that NATO has escalated in the direction of unpredictability which is a new level on the hostility ladder.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 17 2023 17:11 utc | 67

Again – no wunderwaffe but an extension of artillery reach.
Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 15:27 utc | 22
————————————————————
Thanks, b.
It looks like angry outbursts from a cornered beast. Andiivka is slowly going down in carefully planned slow motion that is unstoppable. There is no magic for the Ukies anywhere. I can see NATO stepping up to the plate more, facing a certain loss, and likely angry as all can be for the position they are in. The do not have the option to leave unless their respective governments pull the plug.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 17 2023 17:12 utc | 69

The Ukrainians killed their own prisoners who were being transported by the Russians. Damn, ukrainians are just crazy.
https://t.me/rosgvardeez/5870
And cheap Ukrainians continue to disappear for the sake of the United States and NATO.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/55090

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 17 2023 17:23 utc | 71

Some call for ruaf to start hitting lwow and other border areas. That wont solve the issue, as nato, i mean “ukraine“, would only further escalate. As bad as it may sound, but they have russia in a bind there.
What if russia starts supplying weapons of equal measure to partners in other countries to attack illigal nato bases there, for example syria or iran? Nato would escalate again. Theyd either then attack the countries in “self-defense“, and russia coulndt realistically help their mich weaker partners, or they simply send more sophisticated weapons to “ukraine“. Bad on both ends.
Personally i was hoping and dreaming that putin gets permission from orban to use hungarian airspace to bomb the living hell out of camp bondsteele in kosovo. That would help serbia, as they had nothing to do with it, and would send a good messege to nato. But then hungary would get maybe some big problems…
Regardless, those attacks on ruaf airfields and harbours will continiue, as nato and the west wont back down and lose face in front of the whole world. Not against russia. The hate is to ingrained for that to happen.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 17 2023 17:34 utc | 73

In the same time, the war is very cheap for The West.

Where do you get this idea? This naked assertion is ridiculous on its face. All evidence shows the opposite, this war is accelerating the end of the mighty dollar.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 17 2023 17:37 utc | 75

[ Album ]
Update for Avdeevka .
Tactical successes were reported in the southern direction of the offensive operation; it was possible to advance from Vodyanoy and Opytny to half-cover the quarry , which is an important defensive position of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
It was not possible to take the waste heap in the northern direction, but there are reports of access to houses near the railway in the direction from Krasnogorovka to Stepovoy .
Attempts to develop an offensive in the northwest in the direction of the city blocks of Avdeevka itself are stopped by the enemy with fire from their fortified positions in the area of ​​the Tsarskaya Okhota hotel.
There are heavy battles with advances ranging from several tens of meters to a couple of landings.
#Source (https://t.me/milinfolive/108812?single)
@Slavyangrad

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2023 17:40 utc | 77

the Russian government should have stuck to its promise to bring about consequences to those who would cross its”redlines”

I dont recall a timeline for said consequences. So, escalation then, is indicated in your view. I don’t disagree.. but its all about time. There is a Goldilocks time. Until then any overt response just gets you a larger war. At the right time I’m sure debts will be paid.
Doubt over Ukraine grows in the nation most responsible for this bloody fiasco as well as its many vassals.
Now in undeniably marked decline, I very much disagree that Maerica is weathering the economic headwinds caused by their war of choice. Their economy is like a junky with a fresh dose of their favorite opioid. It’s all good until it isn’t. And never will be again.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 17 2023 17:47 utc | 79

So what does Russia propose to do about it?

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 17 2023 18:05 utc | 81

You know, some of the commentators here remind me of Welsh rugby journalists. Either the Welsh team are world-beaters or they’re rubbish – there’s no sense of balance or proportion.
Russia is fighting NATO – the Ukrainians are just the poor bloody infantry. There will be bad days like last night, there will inshallah be good days and more of them.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Oct 17 2023 18:08 utc | 83

alek_a@37….one might wonder how many rungs the escalation ladder has.
Red line here
Red line there
I’m thinking once the nuke capable F16s show up, well if they show up show up unannounced……oops.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 17 2023 18:09 utc | 85

The empire wouldn’t have been able to go along with this provocation in Gaza if Russia had really been fighting a war in Europe.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 17 2023 18:10 utc | 87

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 17 2023 18:05 utc | 44
Ukraine is basically dead already, it’s just a body tied to very strong strings attached to Nato. Nato can keep the Ukrainian body keep doing half-hearted moves and punches.
The mobilization procedures, and depth in Ukraine is the single most important hint. Mobilization is run through kidnapping on the street, the accepted age is raised to 70 and lowered to 16, and women’s participation and total proportion is increasing.
Russia should think about how to cut those strings between the Ukraine puppet and Nato, but it seems pretty much impossible to do. So they just keep up with their active defense tactics waiting for things to deteriorate further for Ukraine and Nato. Occasionally, we get these sort of lashing out we saw at Berdyansk.
Maybe they should start hitting energy facilities in Ukraine, since it’s now open season vs. Israel.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2023 18:13 utc | 89

@ Acco Hengst, §38:
“They [EU-NATO]do not have the option to leave unless their respective governments pull the plug.”
Their respective governments are having the plug pulled from them, by their respective electorates.

Posted by: John Marks | Oct 17 2023 18:19 utc | 91

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/17/atacms-missile-ukraine-russia-war/
18 missiles to destroy 9 helicopters, one AD unit and some ammo and ‘special equipment’, and that’s the Ukrainian version so perhaps a 20-30% haircut on those figures. Hardly a wunderwaffen, and why not deployed to support the offensive, given the effectiveness of Russian Frontal Aviation at blunting the armoured attacks. This seems more like a variant of the Gorbachev gambit in Afghanistan being played before the West leaves and ‘switches off the lights’.
To which Andrei Martynov says….
Now report from real people on the ground:
1. No ATACMS have been used, the attack was by HIMARS;
2. All munitions have been intercepted by AD;
3. The fragments of one intercepted HIMARS munition fell on the airfield in Berdyansk where the Korenovsky Air Regiment is based currently;
4. “Losses” amounted to some damage to two Ural fueling trucks. NO damage or losses to personnel and air assets.
Next in line: Zelensky farts, Politico reports regime change in Moscow. Per all those “voenkors”–you know my opinion, most of them are human trash monetizing their BS. Simple as that.
In related news:
Israel’s military leadership has vowed to learn from the mistakes made by Russia’s commanders as it gears up to send tanks into war, the commander of its Armored Corps said in a recent interview.
LOL, yeah, sure. How about Israeli tankers learn how to fight real war and recall 2006. I am sure, shooting at defenseless civilians is what makes IDF great.
It Is A Party.
Mr. Putin (also increasingly known as the leader of the free world) arrives to Beijing. They will discuss among those representatives of 140 nations how to form unified Eurasian and global markets at Belt and Road Forum.
I saw the video of Putin and Xi entering the hall together BEFORE the remaining delegates….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 17 2023 18:19 utc | 93

More excuses as usual. The wisest comment has been Russia has no red lines. Everything added up (minus “Russia will never run out of missles”) Russia is the David not the Goliath. Z is snacking on hors d’deuvres this very day.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Oct 17 2023 18:34 utc | 95

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 17 2023 18:19 utc | 50
Ukraine begins to sound like the “Tokyo Rose” in WW2 who proclaimed that: “Today, the Imperial Japanese navy announced the sinking of 2 carriers, 2 battleships, numerous cruisers and destroyers” while they sunk 2 destroyers. All PR.
I give a 60% discount for AFU claims.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2023 18:35 utc | 97

It was clear, that ucraine will receive atacms.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/23/us-agrees-to-send-long-range-missiles-atacms-to-ukraine-in-military-boost-for-kyiv
Somebody was caught off-guard.
Maybe distracted by gaza conflict…
The “Black Knight” can still kick.

Posted by: 600w | Oct 17 2023 18:41 utc | 99