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October 12, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-236

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

News of the day: The Biden administration is throwing Ukraine under the bus:

United States National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said the support provided to Ukraine, currently at war with Russia, is not going to be indefinite. He added US is running out of money for Ukraine unless Congress approves additional funding

“In the near term, we’ve got appropriations and authorities for both Ukraine and for Israel,” Kirby said during the daily press briefing. “But you don’t want to be trying to bake in long-term support when you’re at the end of the rope.”

“And in Ukraine, on the Ukraine funding, we’re coming near to the end of the rope,” he added. “Today we announced $200 million, and we’ll keep that aid going as long as we can, but it’s not going to be indefinite.”

The current open thread for other issues is here.

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“At the end of the rope….”
So, now they are backing away from “As long as it takes….” !!!
And backing away from sound bites like how Russia must be stopped on the battlefield.
Reminds me of “Assad must go.”
The West is not only non-agreement capable.
They also shamelessly change their slogans like they change their underwear.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 12 2023 8:14 utc | 1

“At the end of the rope….”
So, now they are backing away from “As long as it takes….” !!!
And backing away from sound bites like how Russia must be stopped on the battlefield.
Reminds me of “Assad must go.”
The West is not only non-agreement capable.
They also shamelessly change their slogans like they change their underwear.

Posted by: kiwiklown | Oct 12 2023 8:14 utc | 2

Simplicius76 has also mentioned it here:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israeli-ground-forces-get-cold-feet
It was always going to be impossible for the Imperialist States of Amerikastan to arm and pay both its Ukranazi puppets and its zionistani masters at the same time, but then it was never going to be a choice Amerikastan would spend a millisecond thinking over. Ukranazistan is finished. Zionistan is more important to Amerikastan than Amerikastan itself. Besides which this is the golden chance to memory hole Ukranazistan, when all the media attention is focused on the zios.
Elensky knows it too and is frantic. Wait and see what he tries next.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 12 2023 8:15 utc | 3

Simplicius76 has also mentioned it here:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israeli-ground-forces-get-cold-feet
It was always going to be impossible for the Imperialist States of Amerikastan to arm and pay both its Ukranazi puppets and its zionistani masters at the same time, but then it was never going to be a choice Amerikastan would spend a millisecond thinking over. Ukranazistan is finished. Zionistan is more important to Amerikastan than Amerikastan itself. Besides which this is the golden chance to memory hole Ukranazistan, when all the media attention is focused on the zios.
Elensky knows it too and is frantic. Wait and see what he tries next.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 12 2023 8:15 utc | 4

Colin | Oct 12 2023 8:32 utc | 3
I think you have to admit that the “draining of resources” (attrition) has been going on for a long time. One of the biggest threats to Ukraine as I see it is simply the financial aspect. The ever-open tap of money which is needed for it’s daily running, which has systematically been “dematerialized” in favour of corrupt officials and the big man (men).
The timeline for the profiteers to panic and leave (with the last of the loot) could be shorter than the rate at which the poor sods on the ground are getting turned into fertilizer.
Although it is very clear that the Russians are using their more “limited” advances around Avdeevka to test the abilities of the Ukes to resist. Bakhmut may be the next front to open as the Russians are reported to be using incendiary munitions (Usual precursors of attacks)
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kiwiklown | Oct 12 2023 8:14 utc | 1
“They also shamelessly change their slogans like they change their underwear”.
I thought that they only change underwear when these become thoroughly knotted?

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 12 2023 9:04 utc | 5

Colin | Oct 12 2023 8:32 utc | 3
I think you have to admit that the “draining of resources” (attrition) has been going on for a long time. One of the biggest threats to Ukraine as I see it is simply the financial aspect. The ever-open tap of money which is needed for it’s daily running, which has systematically been “dematerialized” in favour of corrupt officials and the big man (men).
The timeline for the profiteers to panic and leave (with the last of the loot) could be shorter than the rate at which the poor sods on the ground are getting turned into fertilizer.
Although it is very clear that the Russians are using their more “limited” advances around Avdeevka to test the abilities of the Ukes to resist. Bakhmut may be the next front to open as the Russians are reported to be using incendiary munitions (Usual precursors of attacks)
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kiwiklown | Oct 12 2023 8:14 utc | 1
“They also shamelessly change their slogans like they change their underwear”.
I thought that they only change underwear when these become thoroughly knotted?

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 12 2023 9:04 utc | 6

Latest according to Military summary RUAF is trying to consolidate around Berdychi and Stepove, but they haven’t at least yet manage to fully control them.
RUAF also apparently managed to expand control around Sieverne, but haven’t yet managed to enter or capture it.
They have a small offensive directly south of Avdeevka, with the idea to force AFU send some troops to the south to counter it. They also managed to take full control of the waste mountain, other reports claim they also entered the coke plant itself.
AFU will yet through inevitable counter-offensives, and until the parameter is expanded and artillery and drone teams brought forward to support the new positions and trenches dug, the areas are still vulnerable. We’ll see how it develops.
Anyway you slice it, RUAF has done a much better job at suppressing the AFU artillery around Avdeevka than AFU did at Rabotyne. RU has 50 AFVs north of Avdeevka. The problem every time with extended attacks is you will be surrounded by depth of enemy territory, and they would have a lot of directions and lot of depth to hide artillery to hit you.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 9:17 utc | 7

Latest according to Military summary RUAF is trying to consolidate around Berdychi and Stepove, but they haven’t at least yet manage to fully control them.
RUAF also apparently managed to expand control around Sieverne, but haven’t yet managed to enter or capture it.
They have a small offensive directly south of Avdeevka, with the idea to force AFU send some troops to the south to counter it. They also managed to take full control of the waste mountain, other reports claim they also entered the coke plant itself.
AFU will yet through inevitable counter-offensives, and until the parameter is expanded and artillery and drone teams brought forward to support the new positions and trenches dug, the areas are still vulnerable. We’ll see how it develops.
Anyway you slice it, RUAF has done a much better job at suppressing the AFU artillery around Avdeevka than AFU did at Rabotyne. RU has 50 AFVs north of Avdeevka. The problem every time with extended attacks is you will be surrounded by depth of enemy territory, and they would have a lot of directions and lot of depth to hide artillery to hit you.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 9:17 utc | 8

We should not forget that yes, maybe the us will throw them under the bus, as per usa tradition with its allies. But they can also simply delegate this mess to the obedient dogs of the eu. Belgium is already saying that they will use aauch billion of russian stolen money to keep this mess going. Nato is making specialist teams, so that they have different task forces to focus on one aspect of the war, while others do another. For example, having the poles focus on logistics and repairs while the germans do air defence and the danes do planes or something along the lone. At least thats how i read it, though im probably wrong on that one.
Gardener borel trying to vue china currently. Then later india i bet.
en we have reports that they are going to stir things up in the -stans and so for.
As far as i see this, the empire of lies, perfidious albion and the lapdog eu would rather destroy everything rather then to simply go and sit on the table with the other party, admit that they did wrong, and try to adhere to basic human rights as they so often repeat ad nauseum.
At least claire daly told censursula to shut up. Thats the only positive thing out of the eu.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 12 2023 9:49 utc | 9

We should not forget that yes, maybe the us will throw them under the bus, as per usa tradition with its allies. But they can also simply delegate this mess to the obedient dogs of the eu. Belgium is already saying that they will use aauch billion of russian stolen money to keep this mess going. Nato is making specialist teams, so that they have different task forces to focus on one aspect of the war, while others do another. For example, having the poles focus on logistics and repairs while the germans do air defence and the danes do planes or something along the lone. At least thats how i read it, though im probably wrong on that one.
Gardener borel trying to vue china currently. Then later india i bet.
en we have reports that they are going to stir things up in the -stans and so for.
As far as i see this, the empire of lies, perfidious albion and the lapdog eu would rather destroy everything rather then to simply go and sit on the table with the other party, admit that they did wrong, and try to adhere to basic human rights as they so often repeat ad nauseum.
At least claire daly told censursula to shut up. Thats the only positive thing out of the eu.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 12 2023 9:49 utc | 10

They continue to escalate the track of forced mobilization, and now enterprises will have to be responsible for bringing men to the TCC.
Summons will be handed out at work, said Roman Istomin, a representative of the Poltava Regional TsK.
“The heads of enterprises and institutions keep records of those liable for military service and the TCC informs them of the order to notify them. In other words, they are authorized to serve subpoenas on their subordinates.
For convenience, they can even provide transportation so that people can undergo a military medical examination in an organized and prompt manner. If managers do not comply with these orders, they will be fined,” he explained.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20084

Posted by: Down South | Oct 12 2023 9:56 utc | 11

They continue to escalate the track of forced mobilization, and now enterprises will have to be responsible for bringing men to the TCC.
Summons will be handed out at work, said Roman Istomin, a representative of the Poltava Regional TsK.
“The heads of enterprises and institutions keep records of those liable for military service and the TCC informs them of the order to notify them. In other words, they are authorized to serve subpoenas on their subordinates.
For convenience, they can even provide transportation so that people can undergo a military medical examination in an organized and prompt manner. If managers do not comply with these orders, they will be fined,” he explained.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20084

Posted by: Down South | Oct 12 2023 9:56 utc | 12

In winter, a collapse is expected in Ukraine – there are all the prerequisites that the shortage of electricity, water and heat will be associated with the actions of Russia, whose missiles and drones will disable many of the country’s critical infrastructure facilities.
Thus, the Ukrainian energy infrastructure has become less reliable than last winter – due to a lack of excess capacity and spare equipment, it is now actually more vulnerable. And although the allies have allocated money for the purchase of new energy equipment, the bulk of the funds have not yet been received. To completely restore the networks, 9.6 billion hryvnia ($262 million) are needed, but only 681 million ($18.5 million) worth of work has been completed. To understand the problem: last season, 75% of Ukrainian thermal power plants and 30% of thermal power plants were damaged.
A separate problem is that with a large number of man-made disasters and accidents, there will be no one to eliminate them – the shortage of workers due to mobilization has exceeded all permissible limits. Frosts are especially dangerous for Ukraine – it makes sense to stock up on autonomous sources of heat and electricity supply, because the “Non-Evil Points” were pretty much stolen over the summer.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20085

Posted by: Down South | Oct 12 2023 9:57 utc | 13

In winter, a collapse is expected in Ukraine – there are all the prerequisites that the shortage of electricity, water and heat will be associated with the actions of Russia, whose missiles and drones will disable many of the country’s critical infrastructure facilities.
Thus, the Ukrainian energy infrastructure has become less reliable than last winter – due to a lack of excess capacity and spare equipment, it is now actually more vulnerable. And although the allies have allocated money for the purchase of new energy equipment, the bulk of the funds have not yet been received. To completely restore the networks, 9.6 billion hryvnia ($262 million) are needed, but only 681 million ($18.5 million) worth of work has been completed. To understand the problem: last season, 75% of Ukrainian thermal power plants and 30% of thermal power plants were damaged.
A separate problem is that with a large number of man-made disasters and accidents, there will be no one to eliminate them – the shortage of workers due to mobilization has exceeded all permissible limits. Frosts are especially dangerous for Ukraine – it makes sense to stock up on autonomous sources of heat and electricity supply, because the “Non-Evil Points” were pretty much stolen over the summer.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20085

Posted by: Down South | Oct 12 2023 9:57 utc | 14

Our source reports that Ramstein was a failure for Zelensky. Although Bankova tried to present this trip to Zee as a success to the average person.
If you look at the list of how much partners transfer, what exactly, you can immediately see:
– reduction in the total amount of “aid”.
– priorities have changed. They gave air defense, but did not give long-range missiles, new tanks, planes, howitzers, etc. A hint of defense.
– statements after Ramstein were “lackluster”. Almost no one in the world noticed.
The source is confident that Ukraine is being given aid from the leftovers. No new financial lines of credit have been opened. This means we are in the final phase.
Bankova hopes that the Israeli case will end this month, otherwise Kyiv will be cut off all the promised credit lines, forcing it to go on the defensive and collapse the hryvnia exchange rate.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16461

Our sources said that Zelensky is dissatisfied with the results of Ramstein, our partners are blocking the transfer of offensive weapons, we will receive additional air defense systems and missiles for them.
The meeting was difficult, on the sidelines everyone is talking about the conflict in Israel and the big war in the Middle East, and our requests for new types of weapons are ignored.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20086

Posted by: Down South | Oct 12 2023 10:01 utc | 15

Our source reports that Ramstein was a failure for Zelensky. Although Bankova tried to present this trip to Zee as a success to the average person.
If you look at the list of how much partners transfer, what exactly, you can immediately see:
– reduction in the total amount of “aid”.
– priorities have changed. They gave air defense, but did not give long-range missiles, new tanks, planes, howitzers, etc. A hint of defense.
– statements after Ramstein were “lackluster”. Almost no one in the world noticed.
The source is confident that Ukraine is being given aid from the leftovers. No new financial lines of credit have been opened. This means we are in the final phase.
Bankova hopes that the Israeli case will end this month, otherwise Kyiv will be cut off all the promised credit lines, forcing it to go on the defensive and collapse the hryvnia exchange rate.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16461

Our sources said that Zelensky is dissatisfied with the results of Ramstein, our partners are blocking the transfer of offensive weapons, we will receive additional air defense systems and missiles for them.
The meeting was difficult, on the sidelines everyone is talking about the conflict in Israel and the big war in the Middle East, and our requests for new types of weapons are ignored.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20086

Posted by: Down South | Oct 12 2023 10:01 utc | 16

From Ukrainian Pravda: Spain confirms it will give Ukraine launchers for Hawk air defence systems and additional ammunition
Note the Hawk missile missile is ancient. Development began in 1952. Initially deployment was in 1959. We are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 12 2023 10:16 utc | 17

From Ukrainian Pravda: Spain confirms it will give Ukraine launchers for Hawk air defence systems and additional ammunition
Note the Hawk missile missile is ancient. Development began in 1952. Initially deployment was in 1959. We are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 12 2023 10:16 utc | 18

USA seems to be now saying it will take over and manage… co-ordinate all the F16’s offered by various countries to create a Ukraine airforce…..

Posted by: Jo | Oct 12 2023 10:28 utc | 19

USA seems to be now saying it will take over and manage… co-ordinate all the F16’s offered by various countries to create a Ukraine airforce…..

Posted by: Jo | Oct 12 2023 10:28 utc | 20

Passerby @ 11

Spain confirms it will give Ukraine launchers for Hawk air defence systems and additional ammunition

Like giving some sucker an exploding cigar. Imagine the crew that has to fire it. Stand well clear!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2023 10:41 utc | 21

Passerby @ 11

Spain confirms it will give Ukraine launchers for Hawk air defence systems and additional ammunition

Like giving some sucker an exploding cigar. Imagine the crew that has to fire it. Stand well clear!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2023 10:41 utc | 22

It’s getting hard to see the Ukrainian military surviving the winter on any shape to resist come spring 2024. Everything will get worse. Much less cover at the same time that Russia’s capability to extend strikes in the near rear ramps up. 70 km range for lancets now. It seems highly likely that winter supplies will be much less than last year for frontline troops, which has high potential for accelerating local surrenders.
Russia only needs to put pressure on the line of contact and make some small to moderate advances in important sectors like Adveeka to collect outsized rewards in terms of momentum and public perception. It’s that which is the greatest danger to Kiev. Zelensky is trapped. He can’t stop or his government collapses but he can’t win. Foreign aid prolongs his government’s life span; it doesn’t change the diagnosis. So being forgotten is like going into hospice.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 12 2023 10:54 utc | 23

It’s getting hard to see the Ukrainian military surviving the winter on any shape to resist come spring 2024. Everything will get worse. Much less cover at the same time that Russia’s capability to extend strikes in the near rear ramps up. 70 km range for lancets now. It seems highly likely that winter supplies will be much less than last year for frontline troops, which has high potential for accelerating local surrenders.
Russia only needs to put pressure on the line of contact and make some small to moderate advances in important sectors like Adveeka to collect outsized rewards in terms of momentum and public perception. It’s that which is the greatest danger to Kiev. Zelensky is trapped. He can’t stop or his government collapses but he can’t win. Foreign aid prolongs his government’s life span; it doesn’t change the diagnosis. So being forgotten is like going into hospice.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 12 2023 10:54 utc | 24

They talked about F-16s to Ukraine, but they say it could happen in 2025.
Why 2025? Because there’s no actual commitment and they can easily memory-hole the entire F-16 idea by 2025 as the AFU will have crumbled long before that. And Hawk AD systems from 1950-1970s is another indication of low commitment, although it could also be that all the Nasams and IRIS-T were already used up.
The eurocrats are slowly being fed the message that US will pull the plug. Even most hardcore supporters will lose interest. The key task for Bided regime is making sure everyone pulls the plug on the same time, or it might be yet another thing that fractures EU from US. Not only trans-atlantic relations, but also fracture EU from within.
Poland is already talking about forming its own economic and currency block in anticipating of EU falling apart.
New Simplicus article. Very good compilation of news from Israel and Ukraine.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israeli-ground-forces-get-cold-feet

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 10:57 utc | 25

They talked about F-16s to Ukraine, but they say it could happen in 2025.
Why 2025? Because there’s no actual commitment and they can easily memory-hole the entire F-16 idea by 2025 as the AFU will have crumbled long before that. And Hawk AD systems from 1950-1970s is another indication of low commitment, although it could also be that all the Nasams and IRIS-T were already used up.
The eurocrats are slowly being fed the message that US will pull the plug. Even most hardcore supporters will lose interest. The key task for Bided regime is making sure everyone pulls the plug on the same time, or it might be yet another thing that fractures EU from US. Not only trans-atlantic relations, but also fracture EU from within.
Poland is already talking about forming its own economic and currency block in anticipating of EU falling apart.
New Simplicus article. Very good compilation of news from Israel and Ukraine.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israeli-ground-forces-get-cold-feet

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 10:57 utc | 26

Condition for Belgium to deliver its F16 to Ukraine
F35 purchased from US must be supplied.
A new government must be installed after the 2024 elections.
Knowing that the delivering of the F35 is nowhere to be seen yet and that it took 545 day and 480 day to form a new government after the last two elections, those F16 will not show in Ukraine before long.

Posted by: scc | Oct 12 2023 11:07 utc | 27

Condition for Belgium to deliver its F16 to Ukraine
F35 purchased from US must be supplied.
A new government must be installed after the 2024 elections.
Knowing that the delivering of the F35 is nowhere to be seen yet and that it took 545 day and 480 day to form a new government after the last two elections, those F16 will not show in Ukraine before long.

Posted by: scc | Oct 12 2023 11:07 utc | 28

F-16s aren’t trickling in like everything else to hide the scale of the western involvement though I think that’s over, in this case it’s probably to not get them knocked out one by one as they arrive into theater. Probably NATO figures best put them a big bunch at a time to give Ukraine a sufficiently robust air force to make it worth it.
F-16s are problem for Russia, it’s not aces and dog fights that’s long over fighters are now used as stand off missile platforms. But to take out F-16s in safety Russia would have to bring out it’s 5th gen fighters, that might also be a goal of NATO, they can test those plane’s abilities and NATO’s ability to shoot them down. Seems Russia wants to keep their SU-57s and Mig-35s capabilities secret for as long as possible and out of the fray until and if the real war with NATO starts.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2023 11:22 utc | 29

F-16s aren’t trickling in like everything else to hide the scale of the western involvement though I think that’s over, in this case it’s probably to not get them knocked out one by one as they arrive into theater. Probably NATO figures best put them a big bunch at a time to give Ukraine a sufficiently robust air force to make it worth it.
F-16s are problem for Russia, it’s not aces and dog fights that’s long over fighters are now used as stand off missile platforms. But to take out F-16s in safety Russia would have to bring out it’s 5th gen fighters, that might also be a goal of NATO, they can test those plane’s abilities and NATO’s ability to shoot them down. Seems Russia wants to keep their SU-57s and Mig-35s capabilities secret for as long as possible and out of the fray until and if the real war with NATO starts.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2023 11:22 utc | 30

The Russians have upgraded the Lancet UAV, almost doubling its range.
This was reported by the head of the press center of the Southern Defense Forces, Natalya Gumenyuk.
“As for their Lancet drones, indeed, recently the Russians have begun to show the wonders of their technical improvement. Because if previously these drones patrolled at a distance of up to 40 km, now their flight capabilities have increased to 60-70 km,” – Gumenyuk said.
According to her, in the Kherson region, Russians began to more often launch drones from the occupied territories on the left bank of the Dnieper.
“Even when our counter-battery fight is successful and we knock out enemy artillery, the Russians use attack drones, including those that drop explosive fragmentation munitions,” she added.

https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/40120

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 11:24 utc | 31

The Russians have upgraded the Lancet UAV, almost doubling its range.
This was reported by the head of the press center of the Southern Defense Forces, Natalya Gumenyuk.
“As for their Lancet drones, indeed, recently the Russians have begun to show the wonders of their technical improvement. Because if previously these drones patrolled at a distance of up to 40 km, now their flight capabilities have increased to 60-70 km,” – Gumenyuk said.
According to her, in the Kherson region, Russians began to more often launch drones from the occupied territories on the left bank of the Dnieper.
“Even when our counter-battery fight is successful and we knock out enemy artillery, the Russians use attack drones, including those that drop explosive fragmentation munitions,” she added.

https://t.me/NovichokRossiya/40120

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 11:24 utc | 32

⚡️⚡️Zaporozhye direction. Verbovoe. 11 October
Direct hit to the Ukrainian Armed Forces assault group.
Zaporozhye direction.
The 152 mm shell left no chance for the enemy to survive.
The original soundtrack of the drone operator who aimed the gun conveys the effect of presence and participation in combat work.
I would like to note that the attack did not end after this. After 40 minutes, as if nothing had happened, another group arrived. Having passed near the place of death, they did not stop for a moment and the artillery shelling continued on a new target.
This video is good to show in NATO training centers for military personnel before sending them to us.
Otherwise, the music in the background will forever remain in memory as the official anthem of the AFU counter-offensive.
by Front bird (https://t.me/frontbird).
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/6637

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 11:30 utc | 33

⚡️⚡️Zaporozhye direction. Verbovoe. 11 October
Direct hit to the Ukrainian Armed Forces assault group.
Zaporozhye direction.
The 152 mm shell left no chance for the enemy to survive.
The original soundtrack of the drone operator who aimed the gun conveys the effect of presence and participation in combat work.
I would like to note that the attack did not end after this. After 40 minutes, as if nothing had happened, another group arrived. Having passed near the place of death, they did not stop for a moment and the artillery shelling continued on a new target.
This video is good to show in NATO training centers for military personnel before sending them to us.
Otherwise, the music in the background will forever remain in memory as the official anthem of the AFU counter-offensive.
by Front bird (https://t.me/frontbird).
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/6637

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 11:30 utc | 34

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2023 11:22 utc | 17
F16s: I keep asking this: who in their right mind, and with the right qualifications (you can’t draft fighter pilots at gunpoint, like you can cannon fodder), are going to fly them?
Ex-fighter jocks are basically the most-skilled pilots in the world. Lots of extremely well-paid, safe, civilian flying jobs are available to them with a little conversion training. Or instructor pilot contractors for military airforces.

Posted by: JulianJ | Oct 12 2023 11:35 utc | 35

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 12 2023 11:22 utc | 17
F16s: I keep asking this: who in their right mind, and with the right qualifications (you can’t draft fighter pilots at gunpoint, like you can cannon fodder), are going to fly them?
Ex-fighter jocks are basically the most-skilled pilots in the world. Lots of extremely well-paid, safe, civilian flying jobs are available to them with a little conversion training. Or instructor pilot contractors for military airforces.

Posted by: JulianJ | Oct 12 2023 11:35 utc | 36

I’m wondering if the war in Palestine is partly being used as an excuse for the US to dump the increasingly unpopular war in Ukraine, or an attempt to escalate that war to another battlefield. maybe the people running things don’t know either.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 12 2023 12:23 utc | 37

I’m wondering if the war in Palestine is partly being used as an excuse for the US to dump the increasingly unpopular war in Ukraine, or an attempt to escalate that war to another battlefield. maybe the people running things don’t know either.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 12 2023 12:23 utc | 38

Yalensis of Awful Avalanche has started a new series of articles on the developing Battle of Avdeevka. First part here:
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2023/10/12/ukraine-war-day-596-the-battle-for-avdeevka-part-i/
Remember what I said before. This is a catastrophe for Ukranazistan because once it loses Avdeevka it can never again even pretend that it’ll “liberate” Donetsk. Nor can it directly shell the city. On top of which the military resources it has committed to Avdeevka are considerable enough to make their loss crippling. Which means Syrsky will have to do anything he possibly can to hold on to the town. Not that he can do much because Ukranazistan is much much weaker than it was during the battle of Artëmovsk (thank Ye Olde Greate Springe Counteroffensive for that), Russia is much much stronger than *it* was then, and Russia has finally sorted out the FAB and drone bottlenecks. So Syrsky is going to get his own cannon fodder massacred at unheard of levels..
By the way, one favourite Ukranazi fortification technique is to bury a whole railway carriage in the earth, with only the door opening on to a trench, and use it as a bunker. This kind of thing can withstand a direct hit from a 152 mm shell on the earth above. But even a near miss from an FAB will eliminate everyone inside from concussion. This is one reason why FABs are a game changer.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 12 2023 13:10 utc | 39

Yalensis of Awful Avalanche has started a new series of articles on the developing Battle of Avdeevka. First part here:
https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2023/10/12/ukraine-war-day-596-the-battle-for-avdeevka-part-i/
Remember what I said before. This is a catastrophe for Ukranazistan because once it loses Avdeevka it can never again even pretend that it’ll “liberate” Donetsk. Nor can it directly shell the city. On top of which the military resources it has committed to Avdeevka are considerable enough to make their loss crippling. Which means Syrsky will have to do anything he possibly can to hold on to the town. Not that he can do much because Ukranazistan is much much weaker than it was during the battle of Artëmovsk (thank Ye Olde Greate Springe Counteroffensive for that), Russia is much much stronger than *it* was then, and Russia has finally sorted out the FAB and drone bottlenecks. So Syrsky is going to get his own cannon fodder massacred at unheard of levels..
By the way, one favourite Ukranazi fortification technique is to bury a whole railway carriage in the earth, with only the door opening on to a trench, and use it as a bunker. This kind of thing can withstand a direct hit from a 152 mm shell on the earth above. But even a near miss from an FAB will eliminate everyone inside from concussion. This is one reason why FABs are a game changer.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 12 2023 13:10 utc | 40

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 12 2023 13:10 utc | 22
UA shills are confident that Avdeevka is a disaster for Russia, and have posted some pictures of destroyed vehicles as proof. Mappers other than Rybar show little progress, still less than Russia occupied around the city during Bakhmut. I hope your source is correct that AFU have already largely abandoned the city. Unfortunately your source seems to confirm that Rybar was overenthusiastic, and RU has NOT occupied the territory across the railroad tracks.

Posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 13:43 utc | 41

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 12 2023 13:10 utc | 22
UA shills are confident that Avdeevka is a disaster for Russia, and have posted some pictures of destroyed vehicles as proof. Mappers other than Rybar show little progress, still less than Russia occupied around the city during Bakhmut. I hope your source is correct that AFU have already largely abandoned the city. Unfortunately your source seems to confirm that Rybar was overenthusiastic, and RU has NOT occupied the territory across the railroad tracks.

Posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 13:43 utc | 42

So, does this mean that indeed, printing dollars does not equate to printing finished goods?
And all those people claiming the USA’s infinite resources would allow it to supply Ukraine indefinitely were no different from the “free energy” perpetual motion crowd?
They almost had me convinced …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2023 13:52 utc | 43

So, does this mean that indeed, printing dollars does not equate to printing finished goods?
And all those people claiming the USA’s infinite resources would allow it to supply Ukraine indefinitely were no different from the “free energy” perpetual motion crowd?
They almost had me convinced …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 12 2023 13:52 utc | 44

posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 13:43 utc | 21
i don’t believe anything UA shills say, or the pictures they post.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 12 2023 13:55 utc | 45

posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 13:43 utc | 21
i don’t believe anything UA shills say, or the pictures they post.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 12 2023 13:55 utc | 46

2Poseidons in the air off Romania and a hawk over the Black Sea, another attack on Crimea imminent?

Posted by: Norfolk Eagle | Oct 12 2023 13:57 utc | 47

2Poseidons in the air off Romania and a hawk over the Black Sea, another attack on Crimea imminent?

Posted by: Norfolk Eagle | Oct 12 2023 13:57 utc | 48

“🇷🇺🇺🇦 The boys are moving very slowly in the direction of Avdeevka. They don’t want to throw their brothers to the slaughter like the enemy has been doing for months along the Zaporozhye front.
Patience is required here. The enemy withdrew reserves from other fronts to send them to Avdeevka. This also opens the door for attacks on other fronts. And that is very good. Our boys are slowly but surely making progress, especially towards Kupyansk and Svatove.
But as already mentioned, the enemy has brought reserves to Avdeevka and will attempt massive counterattacks tomorrow at the latest. Our boys now have to secure their new positions and then hopefully fend off any attempts by the enemy.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed for them. They are really very difficult and intense fights. And the Avdeevka task will still take a lot of time and effort. Never forget the price you have to pay in such offensives. We believe in our fighters!”
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Avdeevka may fall by the New Year, maybe earlier.
▪️ We are advancing and we have seized the initiative everywhere. Even in the southern direction, the enemy is no longer attacking: short attacks are underway to improve tactical positions.
▪️ There is information that the enemy has begun transferring reserves to a dangerous direction, Avdeevka, where the day before we made a significant breakthrough. When Ukrainian soldiers published a video of themselves driving through Orlovka under Russian artillery fire, it became clear that Avdeevka was in a state of operational encirclement.
▪️ Today is a relatively calm day, our aviation and artillery are working, just no infantry attacks. Regrouping is underway. Today or tomorrow, perhaps, we will go on the attack, after serious preparation. There will obviously be another advance, after which the noose will tighten even more.
▪️ South of Avdeevka we also have local tactical successes. It is starting to look like Avdeevka may fall by the New Year, or even earlier. For Kiev, this will be a terrible psychological blow, especially considering the West’s refusal to provide serious assistance to the official Kiev regime.
▪️ Our second offensive is underway near Kupyansk. Yesterday we took several important positions. According to intelligence information, Kiev is morally prepared to retreat here. All of the crossings east of Kupyansk are mined: they expect that at any moment an attempt to break through may be made by our troops, after which they will have to pull back to the outer contour of the defense line of Kupyansk.
Is there confirmation that foreign mercenaries are being withdrawn from Ukraine to be sent to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict zone?
▪️ I don’t collect such data, but it makes perfect sense. It’s not like they are going to storm Gaza. The IDF has shown that they are not ready for a modern war, you get the impression that the Israeli command slept through the entire experience of our SMO. To quickly correct the situation, instructors with such experience are needed. I think this is what caused the urgent recall of a certain number of instructors. Otherwise Israel will suffer great losses if they decide to launch a land assault on Gaza.
YURI PODOLYAKA

So the first report says they are going slow and digging in to digest/secure the area they obtained north and west of Avdeevka. Second report also acknowledges regrouping.
Remember that there are supposedly 15000 AFU troops in Avdeevka and they most likely will not leave it. It will take months and from now on slow and methodical and fending off counter-attacks to achieve the sustainable encirclement. It was completely expected AFU will build-up further north / north-west of Avdeevka and launch counter-attacks.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 14:00 utc | 49

“🇷🇺🇺🇦 The boys are moving very slowly in the direction of Avdeevka. They don’t want to throw their brothers to the slaughter like the enemy has been doing for months along the Zaporozhye front.
Patience is required here. The enemy withdrew reserves from other fronts to send them to Avdeevka. This also opens the door for attacks on other fronts. And that is very good. Our boys are slowly but surely making progress, especially towards Kupyansk and Svatove.
But as already mentioned, the enemy has brought reserves to Avdeevka and will attempt massive counterattacks tomorrow at the latest. Our boys now have to secure their new positions and then hopefully fend off any attempts by the enemy.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed for them. They are really very difficult and intense fights. And the Avdeevka task will still take a lot of time and effort. Never forget the price you have to pay in such offensives. We believe in our fighters!”
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Avdeevka may fall by the New Year, maybe earlier.
▪️ We are advancing and we have seized the initiative everywhere. Even in the southern direction, the enemy is no longer attacking: short attacks are underway to improve tactical positions.
▪️ There is information that the enemy has begun transferring reserves to a dangerous direction, Avdeevka, where the day before we made a significant breakthrough. When Ukrainian soldiers published a video of themselves driving through Orlovka under Russian artillery fire, it became clear that Avdeevka was in a state of operational encirclement.
▪️ Today is a relatively calm day, our aviation and artillery are working, just no infantry attacks. Regrouping is underway. Today or tomorrow, perhaps, we will go on the attack, after serious preparation. There will obviously be another advance, after which the noose will tighten even more.
▪️ South of Avdeevka we also have local tactical successes. It is starting to look like Avdeevka may fall by the New Year, or even earlier. For Kiev, this will be a terrible psychological blow, especially considering the West’s refusal to provide serious assistance to the official Kiev regime.
▪️ Our second offensive is underway near Kupyansk. Yesterday we took several important positions. According to intelligence information, Kiev is morally prepared to retreat here. All of the crossings east of Kupyansk are mined: they expect that at any moment an attempt to break through may be made by our troops, after which they will have to pull back to the outer contour of the defense line of Kupyansk.
Is there confirmation that foreign mercenaries are being withdrawn from Ukraine to be sent to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict zone?
▪️ I don’t collect such data, but it makes perfect sense. It’s not like they are going to storm Gaza. The IDF has shown that they are not ready for a modern war, you get the impression that the Israeli command slept through the entire experience of our SMO. To quickly correct the situation, instructors with such experience are needed. I think this is what caused the urgent recall of a certain number of instructors. Otherwise Israel will suffer great losses if they decide to launch a land assault on Gaza.
YURI PODOLYAKA

So the first report says they are going slow and digging in to digest/secure the area they obtained north and west of Avdeevka. Second report also acknowledges regrouping.
Remember that there are supposedly 15000 AFU troops in Avdeevka and they most likely will not leave it. It will take months and from now on slow and methodical and fending off counter-attacks to achieve the sustainable encirclement. It was completely expected AFU will build-up further north / north-west of Avdeevka and launch counter-attacks.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 14:00 utc | 50

@ 21
UA shills have been saying that shite since day one, and doomers have been saying repeated large scale-slaughter on the RF defense line was irrelevant for Ukraine.
An RF spearhead or two getting roughly-handled is far less problematic now. Than it was in March 2022, when the Russian army deployements of men & machines were far smaller.
Plus it looks like the Russians are avoiding a head on assault, and suffer less losses, in doing so than the AFU does daily in their Ukro-Banzei charges.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 12 2023 14:03 utc | 51

@ 21
UA shills have been saying that shite since day one, and doomers have been saying repeated large scale-slaughter on the RF defense line was irrelevant for Ukraine.
An RF spearhead or two getting roughly-handled is far less problematic now. Than it was in March 2022, when the Russian army deployements of men & machines were far smaller.
Plus it looks like the Russians are avoiding a head on assault, and suffer less losses, in doing so than the AFU does daily in their Ukro-Banzei charges.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 12 2023 14:03 utc | 52

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 14:00 utc | 25
Damn. So much for hoping that gains would come quickly after Bakhmut and the failed counteroffensyiv.

Posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 14:06 utc | 53

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 14:00 utc | 25
Damn. So much for hoping that gains would come quickly after Bakhmut and the failed counteroffensyiv.

Posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 14:06 utc | 54

Just adding. Avdeevka is already pretty much effctively cut off, the question now is just to hold the positions. After AFU launched their attacks, a couple small advance will cut it off for good.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 14:06 utc | 55

Just adding. Avdeevka is already pretty much effctively cut off, the question now is just to hold the positions. After AFU launched their attacks, a couple small advance will cut it off for good.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 14:06 utc | 56

Posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 14:06 utc | 27
Well, war is a democracy, the enemy also gets to votes. Clearly AFU is not prepared to give it up easily and will throw everything to break a siege, including from other fronts.
Reminiscent of the situation after Stalingrad was encircled after operation Uranus.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 14:08 utc | 57

Posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 14:06 utc | 27
Well, war is a democracy, the enemy also gets to votes. Clearly AFU is not prepared to give it up easily and will throw everything to break a siege, including from other fronts.
Reminiscent of the situation after Stalingrad was encircled after operation Uranus.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 12 2023 14:08 utc | 58

Arestovich poured out the zrada. I fully described what we previously provided insight into the case of the failure of mobilization due to the fact that ZeErmak was given instructions to endlessly catch people and drag them to military registration and enlistment offices, which discredited mobilization in the eyes of society.
Arestovich is trying to ride the theme of anti-mobilization, realizing that almost 95% of the Ukrainian population is already against the methods that ZeErmak is pursuing.
Now experts are predicting a flurry of public negativity against Zelensky’s mobilization, and Bankova’s attempts to shift responsibility from herself to “scapegoats.” The case of catching bribe-taking military commissars did not appeal to people, since sadistic military commissars cause much more harm to people than corrupt officials.
The network has already compared the TCC buildings with concentration camps after dozens of videos of the beating of conscripts appeared online.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16464

Our sources from the General Staff report that the TCC failed plans to mobilize Ukrainians; now the national figure is 17.3%. The process is worst in the territories of national minorities; in the Odessa region, Bulgarians beat military commissars several times, after which they stopped visiting their villages; in Transcarpathia, Hungarians are on duty at the entrances to villages and warn all men via chats.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20089

Posted by: Down South | Oct 12 2023 14:21 utc | 59

Arestovich poured out the zrada. I fully described what we previously provided insight into the case of the failure of mobilization due to the fact that ZeErmak was given instructions to endlessly catch people and drag them to military registration and enlistment offices, which discredited mobilization in the eyes of society.
Arestovich is trying to ride the theme of anti-mobilization, realizing that almost 95% of the Ukrainian population is already against the methods that ZeErmak is pursuing.
Now experts are predicting a flurry of public negativity against Zelensky’s mobilization, and Bankova’s attempts to shift responsibility from herself to “scapegoats.” The case of catching bribe-taking military commissars did not appeal to people, since sadistic military commissars cause much more harm to people than corrupt officials.
The network has already compared the TCC buildings with concentration camps after dozens of videos of the beating of conscripts appeared online.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16464

Our sources from the General Staff report that the TCC failed plans to mobilize Ukrainians; now the national figure is 17.3%. The process is worst in the territories of national minorities; in the Odessa region, Bulgarians beat military commissars several times, after which they stopped visiting their villages; in Transcarpathia, Hungarians are on duty at the entrances to villages and warn all men via chats.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20089

Posted by: Down South | Oct 12 2023 14:21 utc | 60

in the Odessa region, Bulgarians beat military commissars several times, after which they stopped visiting their villages; in Transcarpathia, Hungarians are on duty at the entrances
Down South | Oct 12 2023 14:21 utc | 30
There’s a third large group missing from the list. Romanians are all dead or love to die for Slava Cocaini?

Posted by: rk | Oct 12 2023 14:25 utc | 61

in the Odessa region, Bulgarians beat military commissars several times, after which they stopped visiting their villages; in Transcarpathia, Hungarians are on duty at the entrances
Down South | Oct 12 2023 14:21 utc | 30
There’s a third large group missing from the list. Romanians are all dead or love to die for Slava Cocaini?

Posted by: rk | Oct 12 2023 14:25 utc | 62

https://t.me/milinfolive/108385

An unexploded American high-precision 155-mm M982 Excalibur shell that landed on Russian positions.

Unexploded = intact.
https://t.me/milinfolive/108424

Another video of the APU using a British mobile ersatz air defense system with ASRAAM IR missiles on a Supacat HMT truck chassis.
Apparently, the Geran-2 kamikaze drone was shot down by air defense missiles.

Shooting down Gerans with £200k+ ASRAAM missiles can’t last.
https://t.me/milinfolive/108382

Video of tests of the new high-precision GMLRS-ER missile with a flight range of 150 kilometers from the HIMARS MLRS launcher.
At the beginning of September, Lockheed Martin already reported on the successful testing of this missile, but now the American concert has published a video of the launch of the GMLRS-ER and its impact on the target, simulating an accumulation of manpower.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 12 2023 14:35 utc | 63

https://t.me/milinfolive/108385

An unexploded American high-precision 155-mm M982 Excalibur shell that landed on Russian positions.

Unexploded = intact.
https://t.me/milinfolive/108424

Another video of the APU using a British mobile ersatz air defense system with ASRAAM IR missiles on a Supacat HMT truck chassis.
Apparently, the Geran-2 kamikaze drone was shot down by air defense missiles.

Shooting down Gerans with £200k+ ASRAAM missiles can’t last.
https://t.me/milinfolive/108382

Video of tests of the new high-precision GMLRS-ER missile with a flight range of 150 kilometers from the HIMARS MLRS launcher.
At the beginning of September, Lockheed Martin already reported on the successful testing of this missile, but now the American concert has published a video of the launch of the GMLRS-ER and its impact on the target, simulating an accumulation of manpower.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 12 2023 14:35 utc | 64

unimperator, yes, but it is disappointing that AFU can still has the “votes” to hold multiple fronts at the same time. It seems we will not see any large sudden breakthrough like at Kharkhov last year, indicating that even after two major, grinding defeats in 2023, the AFU is still more powerful today than Russia was in the summer of 22.

Posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 14:54 utc | 65

unimperator, yes, but it is disappointing that AFU can still has the “votes” to hold multiple fronts at the same time. It seems we will not see any large sudden breakthrough like at Kharkhov last year, indicating that even after two major, grinding defeats in 2023, the AFU is still more powerful today than Russia was in the summer of 22.

Posted by: catdog | Oct 12 2023 14:54 utc | 66

Oberst der Garde Markus Reisner with some sober comments on the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bKrwqzJzQ

Posted by: Poul | Oct 12 2023 15:06 utc | 67

Oberst der Garde Markus Reisner with some sober comments on the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1bKrwqzJzQ

Posted by: Poul | Oct 12 2023 15:06 utc | 68

Zelensky’s days may be numbered.

Posted by: AI | Oct 12 2023 15:13 utc | 69

Zelensky’s days may be numbered.

Posted by: AI | Oct 12 2023 15:13 utc | 70

@AI | Oct 12 2023 15:13 utc | 35

Zelensky’s days may be numbered.

I am not yet ready to revise my estimate that he will not be available to mark the 10 year anniversary of the Maidan coup.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:25 utc | 71

@AI | Oct 12 2023 15:13 utc | 35

Zelensky’s days may be numbered.

I am not yet ready to revise my estimate that he will not be available to mark the 10 year anniversary of the Maidan coup.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:25 utc | 72

“NATO will hold a major nuclear exercise next week as Russia plans to pull out of a test ban treaty”
https://apnews.com/article/nato-russia-nuclear-treaty-ban-test-a6dc00cf5b634b6c71d24e8da265d6c6
“On Tuesday, a top Russian diplomat said that Moscow would pull out of the treaty to put itself on par with the United States but would only resume nuclear tests if Washington does it first.”
“Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told reporters that Russia will rescind its ratification to “mirror” the action by the U.S. He warned that in the case of a U.S. nuclear test, “we will be forced to mirror that as well.”
“On Wednesday, Stoltenberg said the move “demonstrates Russia’s lack of respect, and the continued disregard for its international commitments.” He added: “This is reckless and endangers the global norms against a nuclear explosive testing.”
Goodness Russia “lacks respect” for the “do as I say, not as I do” rules based order.
Exactly how is Russia supposed to know nuclear weapons for real are not involved in this “exercise”?? Yes, I know there are “technical “signatures”, but still… do you wait?
These people are beyond insane.
All I know is Putin is out of Country on CIS tour, probably ending with meeting in China with Xi as intended for BRI meeting.
Seriously dealing with crazies that are beyond desperate atm.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 12 2023 15:25 utc | 73

“NATO will hold a major nuclear exercise next week as Russia plans to pull out of a test ban treaty”
https://apnews.com/article/nato-russia-nuclear-treaty-ban-test-a6dc00cf5b634b6c71d24e8da265d6c6
“On Tuesday, a top Russian diplomat said that Moscow would pull out of the treaty to put itself on par with the United States but would only resume nuclear tests if Washington does it first.”
“Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told reporters that Russia will rescind its ratification to “mirror” the action by the U.S. He warned that in the case of a U.S. nuclear test, “we will be forced to mirror that as well.”
“On Wednesday, Stoltenberg said the move “demonstrates Russia’s lack of respect, and the continued disregard for its international commitments.” He added: “This is reckless and endangers the global norms against a nuclear explosive testing.”
Goodness Russia “lacks respect” for the “do as I say, not as I do” rules based order.
Exactly how is Russia supposed to know nuclear weapons for real are not involved in this “exercise”?? Yes, I know there are “technical “signatures”, but still… do you wait?
These people are beyond insane.
All I know is Putin is out of Country on CIS tour, probably ending with meeting in China with Xi as intended for BRI meeting.
Seriously dealing with crazies that are beyond desperate atm.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 12 2023 15:25 utc | 74

“United States National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said the support provided to Ukraine, currently at war with Russia, is not going to be indefinite. He added US is running out of money for Ukraine unless Congress approves additional funding…”
Much as I may wish otherwise, that just sounds like a plea for more appropriations, not an admission that the US cannot keep funding the war “as long as it takes”.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 12 2023 15:41 utc | 75

“United States National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said the support provided to Ukraine, currently at war with Russia, is not going to be indefinite. He added US is running out of money for Ukraine unless Congress approves additional funding…”
Much as I may wish otherwise, that just sounds like a plea for more appropriations, not an admission that the US cannot keep funding the war “as long as it takes”.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 12 2023 15:41 utc | 76

@Trubind1 | Oct 12 2023 15:25 utc | 37

These people are beyond insane.

Stoltenberg is in a bind just like Zelensky. If the ‘offensive’ stops, Zelensky can count his time in minutes. After what happened in 2011, Stoltenberg can only jump higher when told to do so, and since the SMO he is incriminated beyond salvation, like the true Quisling he is.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:42 utc | 77

@Trubind1 | Oct 12 2023 15:25 utc | 37

These people are beyond insane.

Stoltenberg is in a bind just like Zelensky. If the ‘offensive’ stops, Zelensky can count his time in minutes. After what happened in 2011, Stoltenberg can only jump higher when told to do so, and since the SMO he is incriminated beyond salvation, like the true Quisling he is.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:42 utc | 78

@Feral Finster | Oct 12 2023 15:41 utc | 38

Much as I may wish otherwise, that just sounds like a plea for more appropriations, not an admission that the US cannot keep funding the war “as long as it takes”.

“as long as it takes” is just a variant of “until it stops”.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:47 utc | 79

@Feral Finster | Oct 12 2023 15:41 utc | 38

Much as I may wish otherwise, that just sounds like a plea for more appropriations, not an admission that the US cannot keep funding the war “as long as it takes”.

“as long as it takes” is just a variant of “until it stops”.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:47 utc | 80

RE: “Stoltenberg is in a bind just like Zelensky. If the ‘offensive’ stops, Zelensky can count his time in minutes”
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:42 utc | 39
The “offensive” has “stopped” That’s the point. Clearly Russia is in the offensive and ramping up adding 3 new groups.
If you read these statements, you see clearly the nuclear threat as “Ukraine must prevail”.. what other way, what “conventional” way will “Ukraine prevail”… zip..nada…zero
I say again, these people are beyond crazy. And the whole world is on a knifes edge.
“Stoltenberg said that NATO allies have no plans to start testing again. He accused President Vladimir Putin of trying “to use this nuclear rhetoric to prevent NATO allies from supporting Ukraine, but he will not succeed, because again it is in our security interest that Ukraine prevails.”
NATO does not possess atomic weapons — as an organization it owns no weapons of any kind, only its individual members do — but three of its major powers, the United States, the United Kingdom and France are nuclear powers.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 12 2023 16:01 utc | 81

RE: “Stoltenberg is in a bind just like Zelensky. If the ‘offensive’ stops, Zelensky can count his time in minutes”
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:42 utc | 39
The “offensive” has “stopped” That’s the point. Clearly Russia is in the offensive and ramping up adding 3 new groups.
If you read these statements, you see clearly the nuclear threat as “Ukraine must prevail”.. what other way, what “conventional” way will “Ukraine prevail”… zip..nada…zero
I say again, these people are beyond crazy. And the whole world is on a knifes edge.
“Stoltenberg said that NATO allies have no plans to start testing again. He accused President Vladimir Putin of trying “to use this nuclear rhetoric to prevent NATO allies from supporting Ukraine, but he will not succeed, because again it is in our security interest that Ukraine prevails.”
NATO does not possess atomic weapons — as an organization it owns no weapons of any kind, only its individual members do — but three of its major powers, the United States, the United Kingdom and France are nuclear powers.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 12 2023 16:01 utc | 82

All these problems around Avdievka indicate thar Ukro army is still very strong.
For Russia it would be better to destroy Ukrainian prpduction capacities end cripple their export likecthey did by destroying harbours. Apparently, the armies cannot be crushed so fast.

Posted by: zorge | Oct 12 2023 16:06 utc | 83

All these problems around Avdievka indicate thar Ukro army is still very strong.
For Russia it would be better to destroy Ukrainian prpduction capacities end cripple their export likecthey did by destroying harbours. Apparently, the armies cannot be crushed so fast.

Posted by: zorge | Oct 12 2023 16:06 utc | 84

@Trubind1 | Oct 12 2023 16:01 utc | 41

I say again, these people are beyond crazy.

That was my point also.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 16:08 utc | 85

@Trubind1 | Oct 12 2023 16:01 utc | 41

I say again, these people are beyond crazy.

That was my point also.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 16:08 utc | 86

Poland sends Ukraine the bill for its “aid” that were not gifts 23 billion dollars plus exhumation of Volyn massacre bodies …see sputnik article…..I wonder are they setting up a case to seize part of Ukraine as compensation as well as the hammer going down with other conditions they insist on eg trade. .agriculture…stop egalvaction at WTO???

Posted by: Jo | Oct 12 2023 16:20 utc | 87

Poland sends Ukraine the bill for its “aid” that were not gifts 23 billion dollars plus exhumation of Volyn massacre bodies …see sputnik article…..I wonder are they setting up a case to seize part of Ukraine as compensation as well as the hammer going down with other conditions they insist on eg trade. .agriculture…stop egalvaction at WTO???

Posted by: Jo | Oct 12 2023 16:20 utc | 88

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:25 utc | 36
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Let’s keep an eye on it.

Posted by: AI | Oct 12 2023 16:30 utc | 89

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 12 2023 15:25 utc | 36
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Let’s keep an eye on it.

Posted by: AI | Oct 12 2023 16:30 utc | 90

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Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 12 2023 9:04 utc | 3
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Did Colin get knocked out of his #3 spot? Does anyone know why?

Posted by: Ed | Oct 12 2023 16:31 utc | 92

The extreme, fast and complete distancing of the Russian government from a part of Wagner/Prigo could also have been a forward-looking move.
Will we see the 5th Army rise again? Didn’t Wagner/5th Armee fight in foreign uniforms in Aleppo and Homs? (i rember somthing with yellow patches) But this sooldiers could also have been Russian special forces. I don’t know for sure.
The problem is Syria, Libanon … need anti-aircraft defense and not ground troops.

Posted by: theo | Oct 12 2023 17:29 utc | 93

The extreme, fast and complete distancing of the Russian government from a part of Wagner/Prigo could also have been a forward-looking move.
Will we see the 5th Army rise again? Didn’t Wagner/5th Armee fight in foreign uniforms in Aleppo and Homs? (i rember somthing with yellow patches) But this sooldiers could also have been Russian special forces. I don’t know for sure.
The problem is Syria, Libanon … need anti-aircraft defense and not ground troops.

Posted by: theo | Oct 12 2023 17:29 utc | 94

Blinked “We are here for as long as it takes unless we are out of rope”

Posted by: canuck | Oct 12 2023 18:40 utc | 95

Blinked “We are here for as long as it takes unless we are out of rope”

Posted by: canuck | Oct 12 2023 18:40 utc | 96

Much as I may wish otherwise, that just sounds like a plea for more appropriations, not an admission that the US cannot keep funding the war “as long as it takes”.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 12 2023 15:41 utc | 38
Find a way to watch the U.S. Treasury sell their bonds (IOU’s).
“As long as it takes” is that missile in your rearview mirror that is closer than you think.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 12 2023 18:42 utc | 97

Much as I may wish otherwise, that just sounds like a plea for more appropriations, not an admission that the US cannot keep funding the war “as long as it takes”.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 12 2023 15:41 utc | 38
Find a way to watch the U.S. Treasury sell their bonds (IOU’s).
“As long as it takes” is that missile in your rearview mirror that is closer than you think.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 12 2023 18:42 utc | 98

Right on cue:
“After two ugly, Dealer-heavy auctions, moments ago the Treasury concluded the week’s coupon issuance with the sale of $20 billion in 30Y paper, and boy was it ugly.
The auction, a reopening of 29-Year 10-month cusip TT5, priced at a high yield of 4.837%, which was almost 50bps higher than just last month’s 30Y auction (which priced at 4.345%). This was not only the highest stop on a 30Y auction since August 2007, but it tailed the When Issued 4.800% by 3.7bps, the 4th consecutive tail and the biggest since Nov 2021 when we saw a record 5.1bps tail, and the 3rd biggest tail on record.”
Dealers were required to mop up 18% as is their deal with the Fed even though no Dealer wants U.S. debt. The good news is Dealers can demand the Fed “cash them out” – also known as printing money to pay for spending the U.S. cannot fund out of taxes.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 12 2023 18:49 utc | 99

Right on cue:
“After two ugly, Dealer-heavy auctions, moments ago the Treasury concluded the week’s coupon issuance with the sale of $20 billion in 30Y paper, and boy was it ugly.
The auction, a reopening of 29-Year 10-month cusip TT5, priced at a high yield of 4.837%, which was almost 50bps higher than just last month’s 30Y auction (which priced at 4.345%). This was not only the highest stop on a 30Y auction since August 2007, but it tailed the When Issued 4.800% by 3.7bps, the 4th consecutive tail and the biggest since Nov 2021 when we saw a record 5.1bps tail, and the 3rd biggest tail on record.”
Dealers were required to mop up 18% as is their deal with the Fed even though no Dealer wants U.S. debt. The good news is Dealers can demand the Fed “cash them out” – also known as printing money to pay for spending the U.S. cannot fund out of taxes.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 12 2023 18:49 utc | 100