Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 6 2023 13:14 utc | 126
You are correct about the US navy but the UK militarily has become a joke. Russia’s navy, with the exception of their submarines are historically poor. If I remember the Russo-Japanese war 1905 they were surprised by the Japanese at Port Arthur then they sent their coal fleet all the way round the word took like 10 months and when they finally got to Port Arthur the Japs beat them again on their arrival.
On the other hand, the City of London controls the West-just don’t confuse that supranational entity with the UK

Posted by: canuck | Oct 6 2023 17:25 utc | 304

bisfugged @ 150

For those that missed it, Putin came out with a statement that they just tested a nuclear-capable, global-range, hypersonic missile. This missile could very well bomb ANY target on earth from their launch site.

If I got it right, it’s not hypersonic, probably just supersonic, it’s a cruise missile, they’ve been working on it for a while, maybe even the Soviets played with it, guess they finally got it to work. Kind of crazy, has a nuclear reactor that heats the intake air directly, some of the space probes, Mars lander and Pluto probe have something similar, but obviously this has to get extremely hot, the air flow itself keeps it from going critical. It is powered from a conventional rocket till it gets up to speed and the air is moving rapidly through it, though it must have a way to turn the nuke part off otherwise they wouldn’t be able to test it, still, yikes! It’s a doomsday second strike weapon, when nothing’s left, no recall message, it heads for its target, a flying version of the Poseidon.
Scary engine but I want one anyway, it can stay in the air for days, weeks, maybe months, I can finally build my Jules Verne Airship.
Honestly, I wouldn’t put too much faith in this or the Poseidon to scare off the USA, even if it’s real, viable, and robust I’m sure the Pentagon laugh at this stuff. And, Russia getting the last laugh isn’t funny, to me anyways.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 6 2023 18:56 utc | 306

US Navy CVN’s are a potent force when attacking nation states without any real offensive capacity (although the new Ford class CVN has run into numerous operational problems with its new magnetic launch system, and its new weapons elevators).
In case of theaters of operations in North Vietnam, Iraq, Afghan, etc there was no credible threat to USN carrier battle groups.
Taking on the RF or CCP forces are a whole different ball game……….a mass cruise missile attack on a carrier group or task force from seaborne or airborne elements would pose a huge threat, not that the carrier group is defenseless, far from it.
However USN carrier groups are now somewhat ham strung by the absence of Ticonderoga class crusiers with their numerous AA missile cells (bascially due to a failure of the USN top brass to prioritize cruiser class repair, refitting and upgrades, funds instead being spent on the now problematic F35B), these cruisers being an essential part of the defense array……in addition to frigates, destroyers and other support ships.
So with one major defense armor link often missing now from many carrier battle groups, yes the USN needs to be very cautious about how to deploy these forces.
This is not Iraq 2003……plan accordingly…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 6 2023 19:15 utc | 308

US Navy CVN’s are a potent force when attacking nation states without any real offensive capacity (although the new Ford class CVN has run into numerous operational problems with its new magnetic launch system, and its new weapons elevators).
In case of theaters of operations in North Vietnam, Iraq, Afghan, etc there was no credible threat to USN carrier battle groups.
Taking on the RF or CCP forces are a whole different ball game……….a mass cruise missile attack on a carrier group or task force from seaborne or airborne elements would pose a huge threat, not that the carrier group is defenseless, far from it.
However USN carrier groups are now somewhat ham strung by the absence of Ticonderoga class crusiers with their numerous AA missile cells (bascially due to a failure of the USN top brass to prioritize cruiser class repair, refitting and upgrades, funds instead being spent on the now problematic F35B), these cruisers being an essential part of the defense array……in addition to frigates, destroyers and other support ships.
So with one major defense armor link often missing now from many carrier battle groups, yes the USN needs to be very cautious about how to deploy these forces.
This is not Iraq 2003……plan accordingly…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 6 2023 19:15 utc | 310

@LightYearsFromHome | Oct 6 2023 18:56 utc | 154
The Burevestnik cruise missile is real, Sputnik has an article about it today
How Russian Stormbringer Nuclear Cruise Missile Can Help Bankrupt US War Machine
It is 12 m long at launch and is rocket-powered to start the scram-jet engine, after wich it loses the starting stage and the missile becomes 9 m long and from then on it is air-breathing and nuclear powered. It has virtually unlimited range and can fly around the globe if needed.
Here is a 5 year old Youtube bideo showing it being made
Cruise missile with Burevestnik nuclear unit

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 6 2023 19:16 utc | 312

oldhippie | Oct 6 2023 15:07 utc | 148
*** US could lose it’s mind and do something really stupid at any time.***
True, but for whatever reasons the UK political establishment would seem to be even more unhinged than that of the USA (Neocons excepted).
Could it be that there are at least a few more semi-sane senior officers in the Pentagon than there are at the top of the UK military?

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 6 2023 19:23 utc | 314

One more thing. Russia wants the criminals behind the Trade Union building massacre to stand trial. If Russia has Odessa, it will be easier for witnesses to speak out without fear of reprisals.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Oct 6 2023 14:49 utc | 144
I aggree with your point on this and also that the city not come under fire. In my best hoped for scenario, the SMO leaves Odessa unharmed but also that such trials must ensue, with the support of its citizenry. Much as happened in Berlin as far as judiciary proceedings are concerned. This would be part of ensuring that the western regions of the former Ukraine become denatzified while still constituting a nation in its own right.
That was my original post above – not that Odessa become part of Russia, but that its citizenry could choose to remain Ukrainian. Apologies if that wasn’t clear in what I wrote.
I realize many would be feeling this isn’t possible unless Russia takes over the territory completely. I still remember the points Putin made early on, that Ukrainian citizens had historically never been able to choose their country’s affiliation, which was decided by others at various times. I just cannot see him wiping out Ukraine as a precursor to the multipolarity world he has envisioned in his speech at Valdai. He said this operation is not about territorial gains; it is about the people of the country as a mixture of cultures choosing their own destiny. And Odessa really fits as a cultural blend consistent with that vision.
For there still to remain an Ukraine, denazification and neutrality are the important factors, with peaceful existence as a nation the hoped for reality in the final outcome. And again, the choice is not ultimately Russia’s, but that of those who live there.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 6 2023 19:42 utc | 316

I will add that Putin emphasized at Valdai that Russia was not opposed to Ukraine becoming an EU member, just not Nato.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 6 2023 19:56 utc | 318

Posted by: juliania | Oct 6 2023 19:56 utc | 160
«I will add that Putin emphasized at Valdai that Russia was not opposed to Ukraine becoming an EU member, just not Nato.»
That is surprising: the EU also has a mutual defense clause, nearly all EU states are NATO and USA vassals too, and the EU is one of the mechanisms of transmission of USA policy.
The distinction between EU and NATO, as the Finland and Sweden cases show, is pretty small, without much of a difference.

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 6 2023 20:06 utc | 320

Blissex @ 161

The distinction between EU and NATO, as the Finland and Sweden cases show, is pretty small, without much of a difference.

I have no idea why Putin even brought up UKR in EU, a statement that seems stuck in some happy 1991-1997 rut, a comment so last century, before the west became agreement incapable, guess he was actually talking in retrospect, what could have been.
Ukraine is not now in either the EU or NATO and look where we’re at, doesn’t matter anymore, maybe this is what the leadership in Sweden and Finland understand. There will need to be a new world relationship to sort this mess out, Putin did say that, so, if not in retrospect the two statements would be in contradiction.
New orders of this scale are built on power not friendship and come out of exhaustion with fighting all around. Lots of ugliness ahead before Ukraine finds a stable place in the world, whatever is left of Ukraine.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 6 2023 21:11 utc | 322

Some videos for today.
17 more Ukrainian soldiers surrendered en masse to Russian forces near Donetsk:
https://odysee.com/@Overthrown:6/video_2023-10-06_13-50-15:9
Russian 2S31 Vena self-propelled mortar in action:
https://rutube.ru/video/c6774d4f576a96e3ecea922d0fe9866b/
Russian Geran drone strikes Kiev regime Danube River port infrastructure target:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20231007_000814_244:e
Russian MLRS open fire on enemy positions near Krasny Liman:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20231007_000931_879:6
Russian ATGM destroys enemy armored pickup:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20231006_221517_632:4

Posted by: Nate | Oct 7 2023 0:42 utc | 324

Posted by: Blissex | Oct 6 2023 20:06 utc | 161
Putin’s distinction (which I believe he also made for SWeden and Finland) is that the EU is not a military body as is Nato, in which the US dominates. I’m aware of the realities you express, but Putin is striving for a better world, a more rational one. He also stated that currently there is still an agreement with Ukraine in which transit for Russian gas across Ukraine is underway and the Ukrainians are accepting the fees for this, have been all along.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 7 2023 1:16 utc | 326

I am remembering (in reference to my post at 164) that the distinction Putin made is that the EU would not be posting weapons at the border between Ukraine and Russia, as Nato would do.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 7 2023 1:21 utc | 328

juliania | Oct 7 2023 1:21 utc | 165
*** I am remembering (in reference to my post at 164) that the distinction Putin made is that the EU would not be posting weapons at the border between Ukraine and Russia, as Nato would do.***
Yes the EU would be, since its central command is just a subsidiary of NATO, headed by indoctrinated appointees of the US-empire … and the EU is becoming ever more dictatorial.
though, to be fair to Brussels, so is the UK despite having allegedly left the EU
Missiles would be deployed either as “EU” or “NATO”, or even “USA” if the empire dropped its by now thoroughly threadbare facade.

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 7 2023 1:50 utc | 330

This is a disaster. This is in front of Stortinget, i.e. Parliament building.

🇳🇴🇺🇦 In Oslo, Norway in front of the foundations of their “democracy”, the Parliament, a group of Nazis were permitted to shout WW2 era Nazi slogans, and waving Nazi flags(see: Right/Pravy Sektor).
The perversion of history in the west continues to grow unabated with no end to the practice in sight. Only when the Nazi scourge comes back to bite them in the ass in their own backyard will they change their course.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/84234

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 7 2023 10:53 utc | 332

@Norwegian | Oct 7 2023 10:53 utc | 167
Yeah,you can see the masses responding . . . .

Posted by: John Kennard | Oct 7 2023 11:31 utc | 334

Not sure how this could impact ZNPP or other downstream locations.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66115

The Armed Forces of Ukraine have mined the Kremenchug hydroelectric power station, a provocation according to the “Kakhovka scenario” is possible – blowing up the station in order to blame the Russian army for this, a representative of the Russian security forces said, citing sources in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​the power plant itself
The Kremenchug hydroelectric power station is located in Svetlovodsk, Kirovograd region, the station’s dam forms the Kremenchug reservoir and is the third stage of the Dnieper cascade of Ukrainian hydroelectric power stations. The dam is crossed by roads and railways.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 7 2023 12:08 utc | 336

Flying Dutchman @139: “Besides, the Russians have long since gone all in calling the Kiev leaders war criminals that have to be put on trial. So how could any of them capitulate.”
“Put down the gun and come out with your hands up!”, I believe is how it is done.
Yes, there will be lots of war crimes trials in Russia after this, as well as plenty of plain old murder trials. But Russia doesn’t have a death penalty. The Ukraine does, and some of the Nazis might be tried there instead, though I honestly cannot see those trials being conducted based upon the current legal system in the Borderlands. In any case, Zelensky’s (and many others too) best hope for survival, despite being tried for crimes against humanity, will be to surrender to the Russians. Zelensky might get a couple months grace period if he bolts for his mansions in Miami or Colorado or wherever when the Ukraine goes down for the count, but the Nazis will want his head. As well, there is no way the CIA would pass up the last bit of gain to be had from him by snuffing him and winding up the Mighty Wurlitzer to cast the blame on the Russians. There are plenty of people in politics and the military in the Ukraine who are facing much harsher fates than living to old age banished to Siberia.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 7 2023 20:55 utc | 338