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October 5, 2023
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The Sun and other outlets inclusive of non-tabloids are reporting a massacre of 49 civilians at a grocery in Hroza, Kharkov. Anyone know what’s up?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2023 14:11 utc | 1
The Sun and other outlets inclusive of non-tabloids are reporting a massacre of 49 civilians at a grocery in Hroza, Kharkov. Anyone know what’s up?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2023 14:11 utc | 2
It seems our usual friends, the UK Foreign Office, via their “Ukraine war Disinfo Working Group”, are aggressively ramping up their censorship through Zinc Network´s Open Information Partnership and the usual reptiles such as Bellingcat.
Be warned:
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/03/british-government-censorship-nato/
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 5 2023 14:12 utc | 3
It seems our usual friends, the UK Foreign Office, via their “Ukraine war Disinfo Working Group”, are aggressively ramping up their censorship through Zinc Network´s Open Information Partnership and the usual reptiles such as Bellingcat.
Be warned:
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/03/british-government-censorship-nato/
Posted by: John Marks | Oct 5 2023 14:12 utc | 4
Another tragedy in the Kharkov region, where 49 people died en masse – this is horror.
We do not undertake to say who may be behind this, but such a tragedy is very beneficial, but it is not suitable for Bankova (based on the logic of “look for someone, it is beneficial”). Especially at a time when Zelensky is in Spain at an international forum.
Also in the Western press, everything was moving towards freezing the conflict and easing the negativity towards the Russian Federation. The situation is difficult with pushing through a new sanctions case and the allocation of funding to Ukraine. The situation required increasing the degree of aggression towards Russia.
Plus, this may justify the OP’s strategy of tightening mobilization and an attempt to provoke a surge of mobilization assets against an emotional background.
Everyone understands that there will be no honest investigations on the line of combat contact. The perpetrators are immediately identified.
We also do not rule out that it could be either a Ukrainian or a Russian missile.
War is always a tragedy.
Let us recall that we have long warned that Bankova could stage a provocative tragedy in order to try to change the situation in the case of support for the Ukrainian crisis in the West. After all, there is not much time left in the 45 days when the United States must adopt a budget that might not contain money for Ukraine.
Think!
Posted by: Down South | Oct 5 2023 14:16 utc | 5
Another tragedy in the Kharkov region, where 49 people died en masse – this is horror.
We do not undertake to say who may be behind this, but such a tragedy is very beneficial, but it is not suitable for Bankova (based on the logic of “look for someone, it is beneficial”). Especially at a time when Zelensky is in Spain at an international forum.
Also in the Western press, everything was moving towards freezing the conflict and easing the negativity towards the Russian Federation. The situation is difficult with pushing through a new sanctions case and the allocation of funding to Ukraine. The situation required increasing the degree of aggression towards Russia.
Plus, this may justify the OP’s strategy of tightening mobilization and an attempt to provoke a surge of mobilization assets against an emotional background.
Everyone understands that there will be no honest investigations on the line of combat contact. The perpetrators are immediately identified.
We also do not rule out that it could be either a Ukrainian or a Russian missile.
War is always a tragedy.
Let us recall that we have long warned that Bankova could stage a provocative tragedy in order to try to change the situation in the case of support for the Ukrainian crisis in the West. After all, there is not much time left in the 45 days when the United States must adopt a budget that might not contain money for Ukraine.
Think!
Posted by: Down South | Oct 5 2023 14:16 utc | 6
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2023 14:11 utc | 1
DD Geopolitics on Telegram has the following:
The prosecutor’s office reports that 49 people died in Groza after flying into a rural cafe-shop.
The strike took place around 1:25 p.m Ukraine time.
7 people were injured
Posted by: kspr | Oct 5 2023 14:20 utc | 7
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2023 14:11 utc | 1
DD Geopolitics on Telegram has the following:
The prosecutor’s office reports that 49 people died in Groza after flying into a rural cafe-shop.
The strike took place around 1:25 p.m Ukraine time.
7 people were injured
Posted by: kspr | Oct 5 2023 14:20 utc | 8
Foreign Mercs dead everywhere along with NATO instructors. Why were they there?
Posted by: Peace | Oct 5 2023 14:32 utc | 9
Foreign Mercs dead everywhere along with NATO instructors. Why were they there?
Posted by: Peace | Oct 5 2023 14:32 utc | 10
How many times have the Ukrainians tried this game? Missile strike on the market, the train station, AD crashes killing civilians in Kiev and Kherson region, Bucha, Mariupol hospital and theater, AD missile in Poland… must be leaving out a few… plus shelling civillian areas in Donetsk, Kherson, Belgorad, killing and torturing POWs.
Remember, Russia is evil and anything bad that happens is their fault
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 14:38 utc | 11
How many times have the Ukrainians tried this game? Missile strike on the market, the train station, AD crashes killing civilians in Kiev and Kherson region, Bucha, Mariupol hospital and theater, AD missile in Poland… must be leaving out a few… plus shelling civillian areas in Donetsk, Kherson, Belgorad, killing and torturing POWs.
Remember, Russia is evil and anything bad that happens is their fault
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 14:38 utc | 12
For anyone with an interest in the subject, here’s an informative Russian language summary of various efforts to create guided rockets and / or guidance upgrade kits for existing rocket inventory. Auto-translation reads fine.
https://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2019/12/22/2994/print/
A wiki page on a related Russian project:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugroza
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2023 15:02 utc | 13
For anyone with an interest in the subject, here’s an informative Russian language summary of various efforts to create guided rockets and / or guidance upgrade kits for existing rocket inventory. Auto-translation reads fine.
https://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2019/12/22/2994/print/
A wiki page on a related Russian project:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugroza
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2023 15:02 utc | 14
Re: Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2023 14:11 utc | 1
Hroza was held by Russian forces a year ago before they evacuated and retreated from that area.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 5 2023 15:13 utc | 15
Re: Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 5 2023 14:11 utc | 1
Hroza was held by Russian forces a year ago before they evacuated and retreated from that area.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 5 2023 15:13 utc | 16
@8
Don’t be silly. But the supposed chemical attacks in Syria were carried out by US proxies. Same MO. Attempt to demonize your opponent in eyes of the public. Let’s attack the Zaparohzia NPP and blame it on the Russians (who control the area and like to bomb themselves), let’s attack and destroy the hydro dam in Kherson and blame it on the Russians (who use the reservoir to supply Crimea with water). The evil idiots like to make problems for themselves, as we know…
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 15:35 utc | 17
@8
Don’t be silly. But the supposed chemical attacks in Syria were carried out by US proxies. Same MO. Attempt to demonize your opponent in eyes of the public. Let’s attack the Zaparohzia NPP and blame it on the Russians (who control the area and like to bomb themselves), let’s attack and destroy the hydro dam in Kherson and blame it on the Russians (who use the reservoir to supply Crimea with water). The evil idiots like to make problems for themselves, as we know…
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 15:35 utc | 18
Salud to all barflies, thanks to b the host and to the many contributors that make this place a magnet even during times of no time, Bevin, Gruff, Karlof, Anon2020, OldHippie and many more that will excuse my short memory.
Got to see the end of the intervention by Putin in Valday 23 and the question posed by Karaganov concerning the nuclear doctrine of the RF and the possibility of changing it since in his opinion it is not deterring the rivals of the RF who keep on escalating the situation in Ukraine. With his reflexive manner Putin suggested that new weapons are to be put on duty, weapons that might need testing to be sure of their effectiveness, but Russia signed and ratified the treaty that prohibits nuclear tests while at the same time the US signed but did not ratify that treaty, so its up to the Duma to maybe call back that ratification. So there you go guys, a new twist and maybe another arms control device that is going to be dumped, the clock is ticking.
Posted by: Paco | Oct 5 2023 15:42 utc | 19
Salud to all barflies, thanks to b the host and to the many contributors that make this place a magnet even during times of no time, Bevin, Gruff, Karlof, Anon2020, OldHippie and many more that will excuse my short memory.
Got to see the end of the intervention by Putin in Valday 23 and the question posed by Karaganov concerning the nuclear doctrine of the RF and the possibility of changing it since in his opinion it is not deterring the rivals of the RF who keep on escalating the situation in Ukraine. With his reflexive manner Putin suggested that new weapons are to be put on duty, weapons that might need testing to be sure of their effectiveness, but Russia signed and ratified the treaty that prohibits nuclear tests while at the same time the US signed but did not ratify that treaty, so its up to the Duma to maybe call back that ratification. So there you go guys, a new twist and maybe another arms control device that is going to be dumped, the clock is ticking.
Posted by: Paco | Oct 5 2023 15:42 utc | 20
Were all those US strikes in Afghanistan and Iraq that hit weddings and funerals also all faked by the Taliban and Islamic State?….
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Oct 5 2023 15:07 utc | 8
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Stepping on a rake to make a point. 😂😂😂
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2023 16:17 utc | 21
Were all those US strikes in Afghanistan and Iraq that hit weddings and funerals also all faked by the Taliban and Islamic State?….
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Oct 5 2023 15:07 utc | 8
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Stepping on a rake to make a point. 😂😂😂
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 5 2023 16:17 utc | 22
Apparently we are not ready to recognize that they are Nazi’s*, but corrupt will work.
* Don’t care who’s painting they hang on the wall, but it’s the part about burning people alive and torturing that is a red flag.
Posted by: jared | Oct 5 2023 16:25 utc | 23
Apparently we are not ready to recognize that they are Nazi’s*, but corrupt will work.
* Don’t care who’s painting they hang on the wall, but it’s the part about burning people alive and torturing that is a red flag.
Posted by: jared | Oct 5 2023 16:25 utc | 24
Remember the Russian missile that hit the market in Kostyantynyvka just a month ago that turned out to be a Ukrainian missile? Yet MSM immediately blamed Russia for the strike, and photographs that clearly showed the direction the missile came from were doctored to eliminate that evidence. You can count on the idiot troll here who shall not be named to put up a comment so incredibly stupid that it beggars the imagination.
Posted by: Mike R | Oct 5 2023 16:33 utc | 25
Remember the Russian missile that hit the market in Kostyantynyvka just a month ago that turned out to be a Ukrainian missile? Yet MSM immediately blamed Russia for the strike, and photographs that clearly showed the direction the missile came from were doctored to eliminate that evidence. You can count on the idiot troll here who shall not be named to put up a comment so incredibly stupid that it beggars the imagination.
Posted by: Mike R | Oct 5 2023 16:33 utc | 26
I smell False Flag …
Ramp up the emotion …Grab the international headlines. and Zelenski at a security conference … and ammo to shame diehards in US Congress etc etc
I await more detail … but we have been here before …
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 5 2023 16:49 utc | 27
I smell False Flag …
Ramp up the emotion …Grab the international headlines. and Zelenski at a security conference … and ammo to shame diehards in US Congress etc etc
I await more detail … but we have been here before …
Posted by: Don Firineach | Oct 5 2023 16:49 utc | 28
Anyone who closely followed the War to Destroy Yugoslavia recognizes the false flag nature of the killing of the 46 (likely Russian speaking) people.
It was a consistent M.O. of the War Party to false flag a massacre to drive some immediate political act. The UN Blue Helmets were usually quick to illuminate the false flag, but were always drowned out by the War Party.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2023 16:53 utc | 29
Anyone who closely followed the War to Destroy Yugoslavia recognizes the false flag nature of the killing of the 46 (likely Russian speaking) people.
It was a consistent M.O. of the War Party to false flag a massacre to drive some immediate political act. The UN Blue Helmets were usually quick to illuminate the false flag, but were always drowned out by the War Party.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2023 16:53 utc | 30
False flags vs nuclear superpowers dont work.
Go back to doing it in Middle East and South Asia, clowns
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 5 2023 16:55 utc | 31
False flags vs nuclear superpowers dont work.
Go back to doing it in Middle East and South Asia, clowns
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 5 2023 16:55 utc | 32
Putin made some important statements this afternoon. Most would be wise to listen carefully:
‘The Ukrainian crisis is not a territorial conflict. Russia is the largest country in the world in terms of territory. We have both Eastern Siberia and the Far East to deal with. It’s not a territorial conflict. And not even establishing a regional geopolitical balance. The question is much broader and more fundamental: we are talking about the principles on which the new world order will be based.’
– ‘The United States does not just set rules arbitrarily. But they also demand at the same time – by who and how they should be fulfiled This is a manifestation of colonial thinking. We hear all the time: you have to, you have to, we warn you seriously. Who are you anyway? What right do you have to warn someone?’
– Let me remind you that in the Russian military doctrine there are two reasons for the possible use of nuclear weapons. The first is a counter blow, we respond to aggression. I want to assure you: the answer is absolutely unacceptable for any potential aggressor. In a retaliatory strike, so many hundreds of our missiles will appear in the air that no enemy will have a chance of survival. The second reason: the threat of the existence of the Russian state, even if conventional weapons are used against us.
– ‘ since June 4, Ukrainian units have lost more than 90 thousand people. These are irretrievable losses. 550 tanks.’
Posted by: Night Tripper | Oct 5 2023 17:00 utc | 33
Putin made some important statements this afternoon. Most would be wise to listen carefully:
‘The Ukrainian crisis is not a territorial conflict. Russia is the largest country in the world in terms of territory. We have both Eastern Siberia and the Far East to deal with. It’s not a territorial conflict. And not even establishing a regional geopolitical balance. The question is much broader and more fundamental: we are talking about the principles on which the new world order will be based.’
– ‘The United States does not just set rules arbitrarily. But they also demand at the same time – by who and how they should be fulfiled This is a manifestation of colonial thinking. We hear all the time: you have to, you have to, we warn you seriously. Who are you anyway? What right do you have to warn someone?’
– Let me remind you that in the Russian military doctrine there are two reasons for the possible use of nuclear weapons. The first is a counter blow, we respond to aggression. I want to assure you: the answer is absolutely unacceptable for any potential aggressor. In a retaliatory strike, so many hundreds of our missiles will appear in the air that no enemy will have a chance of survival. The second reason: the threat of the existence of the Russian state, even if conventional weapons are used against us.
– ‘ since June 4, Ukrainian units have lost more than 90 thousand people. These are irretrievable losses. 550 tanks.’
Posted by: Night Tripper | Oct 5 2023 17:00 utc | 34
curious how this latest missile tragedy will be reported and what really did happen.
Washington Post is quoting Kiev who speak about Iskander.
I have the impression media are more cautious. Or weary.
The story hit noon but then quickly was located in the lower parts of the papers.
Considering that it allegedly is the worst attack/accident so far that´s noteworthy.
Posted by: AG | Oct 5 2023 17:15 utc | 35
curious how this latest missile tragedy will be reported and what really did happen.
Washington Post is quoting Kiev who speak about Iskander.
I have the impression media are more cautious. Or weary.
The story hit noon but then quickly was located in the lower parts of the papers.
Considering that it allegedly is the worst attack/accident so far that´s noteworthy.
Posted by: AG | Oct 5 2023 17:15 utc | 36
I am increasingly getting the feeling that we have reached “Peak Ukraine”, with the tide most definitely turning both in Western nations and on the Ukrainian front. 2024 could be a long slow death for what is currently known as Ukraine, or a quicker collapse, depending much more on what the Russians prefer than what the Western elites want.
The Western elites will require some form of “sparkly object” to help take the focus of the public’s gaze away from Ukraine. It could be an economic collapse given the state of the Western nations, or further Taiwan escalations, or the domestic political mayhem that will become the US in the run up to the 2024 election, or something else. Whatever it is the obedient media will rapidly remove Ukraine from their screens and pages, just as they did with Afghanistan. US foreign policy is becoming more and more like a child with ADHD, moving from one unfinished failed project to another with no reflection that could trigger a course correction.
I am increasingly getting the feeling that we have reached “Peak Ukraine”, with the tide most definitely turning both in Western nations and on the Ukrainian front. 2024 could be a long slow death for what is currently known as Ukraine, or a quicker collapse, depending much more on what the Russians prefer than what the Western elites want.
The Western elites will require some form of “sparkly object” to help take the focus of the public’s gaze away from Ukraine. It could be an economic collapse given the state of the Western nations, or further Taiwan escalations, or the domestic political mayhem that will become the US in the run up to the 2024 election, or something else. Whatever it is the obedient media will rapidly remove Ukraine from their screens and pages, just as they did with Afghanistan. US foreign policy is becoming more and more like a child with ADHD, moving from one unfinished failed project to another with no reflection that could trigger a course correction.
If anyone has a vid with translation of Putin at Valdai please post the link.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2023 17:22 utc | 39
If anyone has a vid with translation of Putin at Valdai please post the link.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2023 17:22 utc | 40
General Betrayus tried false flag , mosque and market place bombs to stoke sectarian violence Iraq, but after a few months where witnesses clearly saw who was placing the bombs, every child in Iraq knew who was doing it.
It was Betrayus’ Road to nonentity, as it is for zjellybaby now.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2023 17:22 utc | 41
General Betrayus tried false flag , mosque and market place bombs to stoke sectarian violence Iraq, but after a few months where witnesses clearly saw who was placing the bombs, every child in Iraq knew who was doing it.
It was Betrayus’ Road to nonentity, as it is for zjellybaby now.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2023 17:22 utc | 42
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/hubris%E2%80%99-downfall-hard-road-ahead-russia-ukraine-war-206883
WOW ! Somebody finally gets it ! A ray of light in a darkened world ! Clarity !
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 5 2023 17:23 utc | 43
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/hubris%E2%80%99-downfall-hard-road-ahead-russia-ukraine-war-206883
WOW ! Somebody finally gets it ! A ray of light in a darkened world ! Clarity !
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 5 2023 17:23 utc | 44
German Newspaper reports 110 Ukrainians are living large in a 4 star Hotel in Garmisch. They took over the entire place. All at Taxpayers’ expense.
https://www.merkur.de/lokales/garmisch-partenkirchen/garmisch-partenkirchen-ort28711/posthotel-voll-belegt-110-ukrainer-im-zentrum-von-garmisch-partenkirchen-92560911.html
Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2023 17:25 utc | 45
German Newspaper reports 110 Ukrainians are living large in a 4 star Hotel in Garmisch. They took over the entire place. All at Taxpayers’ expense.
https://www.merkur.de/lokales/garmisch-partenkirchen/garmisch-partenkirchen-ort28711/posthotel-voll-belegt-110-ukrainer-im-zentrum-von-garmisch-partenkirchen-92560911.html
Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2023 17:25 utc | 46
My analysis of the war in a 6 part series in my blog `DeansMusings’ – rpdeans.blogspot.com
I use both Russian and western sources. My non commercial blog also posts on Indian national security.
My analysis of the war in a 6 part series in my blog `DeansMusings’ – rpdeans.blogspot.com
I use both Russian and western sources. My non commercial blog also posts on Indian national security.
52 corpse and a picture on Cassad
https://colonelcassad-livejournal-com.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=fr&_x_tr_hl=de
If this is really pic of today bloodbath in Hroza, do you really think that an explosion can kill all thise people and don’t even destroy the little fence, the tree and made no impact on the wall?
Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 5 2023 17:51 utc | 49
52 corpse and a picture on Cassad
https://colonelcassad-livejournal-com.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=fr&_x_tr_hl=de
If this is really pic of today bloodbath in Hroza, do you really think that an explosion can kill all thise people and don’t even destroy the little fence, the tree and made no impact on the wall?
Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 5 2023 17:51 utc | 50
Hopefully the reports provided by Simplicius in his most recent Sitrep will finally answer the question about Russia recouping the lands of Great Russia:
Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy on the return of historical lands to Russia: This process was started by civilians of two cities – Donetsk and Lugansk. Even then there was no turning back – it became clear that these lands must return to their historical homeland. But Russia must return the rest of its lands: Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov regions – all the lands where our Russian people live, who were betrayed and abandoned 30 years ago, having invented an independent Ukraine, not caring about the interests of the inhabitants of these regions. Better late than never, but we’ll fix it.
And from Medvedev:
Moscow will add more Ukrainian regions to its territory, former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev warned on the first anniversary of the country’s unification with the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, and Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.
“Victory will be ours. And there will be more new regions within Russia,” the former president wrote.
And from a Ukie source:
MI6 transmitted intelligence to the Ukrainian Office of the President and the General Staff that the Kremlin has prepared a plan to capture 5 regions of Ukraine if the war continues into 2024. For these purposes, reserves are being accumulated on the borders with Ukraine and new brigades are being formed. British intelligence believes the Russian army could employ a million men in a new offensive campaign.
Simplicius thus concludes:
Taken together these things appear to confirm more and more that Russia is serious about maximal objectives in the conflict. And now that the cracks in Western ‘solidarity’ are beginning to turn into giant crumbling ruptures there’s a possibility this process can speed up exponentially.
Hopefully the reports provided by Simplicius in his most recent Sitrep will finally answer the question about Russia recouping the lands of Great Russia:
Deputy Speaker of the State Duma Pyotr Tolstoy on the return of historical lands to Russia: This process was started by civilians of two cities – Donetsk and Lugansk. Even then there was no turning back – it became clear that these lands must return to their historical homeland. But Russia must return the rest of its lands: Odessa, Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov regions – all the lands where our Russian people live, who were betrayed and abandoned 30 years ago, having invented an independent Ukraine, not caring about the interests of the inhabitants of these regions. Better late than never, but we’ll fix it.
And from Medvedev:
Moscow will add more Ukrainian regions to its territory, former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev warned on the first anniversary of the country’s unification with the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, and Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.
“Victory will be ours. And there will be more new regions within Russia,” the former president wrote.
And from a Ukie source:
MI6 transmitted intelligence to the Ukrainian Office of the President and the General Staff that the Kremlin has prepared a plan to capture 5 regions of Ukraine if the war continues into 2024. For these purposes, reserves are being accumulated on the borders with Ukraine and new brigades are being formed. British intelligence believes the Russian army could employ a million men in a new offensive campaign.
Simplicius thus concludes:
Taken together these things appear to confirm more and more that Russia is serious about maximal objectives in the conflict. And now that the cracks in Western ‘solidarity’ are beginning to turn into giant crumbling ruptures there’s a possibility this process can speed up exponentially.
Ok, Others pics
https://www.rferl.org/a/death-devastation-ukraine-northeast-russian-attack/32624698.html
All the victims were collected and exposed for a better psyop.
Unfortunately not the best way to collect Evidenz
Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 5 2023 17:57 utc | 53
Ok, Others pics
https://www.rferl.org/a/death-devastation-ukraine-northeast-russian-attack/32624698.html
All the victims were collected and exposed for a better psyop.
Unfortunately not the best way to collect Evidenz
Posted by: La Bastille | Oct 5 2023 17:57 utc | 54
The massacre has all the fingerprints of a typical war party false flag. Noteably, the village was occupied for 6 months by Russians and is part of the Russian speaking regions. Therefore, it’s likely these victims were seen as disloyal and easily expendable by NATO war commanders.
Finally, the timing of the massacre to coincide with a big EU conclave in Granda points to shameless manipulation.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2023 18:12 utc | 55
The massacre has all the fingerprints of a typical war party false flag. Noteably, the village was occupied for 6 months by Russians and is part of the Russian speaking regions. Therefore, it’s likely these victims were seen as disloyal and easily expendable by NATO war commanders.
Finally, the timing of the massacre to coincide with a big EU conclave in Granda points to shameless manipulation.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2023 18:12 utc | 56
This is why Russia should have done much more to expose the hoaxes and false flags in Yugoslavia, because that war was preparation against Russia. But Russia was making too much money with people like Viktor Bout selling Soviet stocks to the Croats and to the Bosnian Muslims through Slovenia.
Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 5 2023 18:17 utc | 57
This is why Russia should have done much more to expose the hoaxes and false flags in Yugoslavia, because that war was preparation against Russia. But Russia was making too much money with people like Viktor Bout selling Soviet stocks to the Croats and to the Bosnian Muslims through Slovenia.
Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 5 2023 18:17 utc | 58
The false flags during the War to Destroy Yugoslavia were usually exposed by the Blue Helmet UN troops on the ground and other international observers. However, these voices were drowned out by the braying of the War Party. At that time, independent media hardly existed.
One good journalist-investigator was a Fellow by the name of Jared Israel who ran a investigative blog called The Emperors New Clothes. Lots of solid investigative reporting with a big archive
http://tenc.net/yugo.htm
Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2023 18:42 utc | 59
The false flags during the War to Destroy Yugoslavia were usually exposed by the Blue Helmet UN troops on the ground and other international observers. However, these voices were drowned out by the braying of the War Party. At that time, independent media hardly existed.
One good journalist-investigator was a Fellow by the name of Jared Israel who ran a investigative blog called The Emperors New Clothes. Lots of solid investigative reporting with a big archive
http://tenc.net/yugo.htm
Posted by: Exile | Oct 5 2023 18:42 utc | 60
in case you’re interested…
https://scheerpost.com/2023/10/05/patrick-lawrence-depleted-ukrainium/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2023 18:43 utc | 61
in case you’re interested…
https://scheerpost.com/2023/10/05/patrick-lawrence-depleted-ukrainium/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 5 2023 18:43 utc | 62
Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 5 2023 18:17 utc | 29
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Of course, that was under Yeltsin’s watch, what do you expect. He was a polyp on Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton’s ass.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2023 18:49 utc | 63
Posted by: MiniMO | Oct 5 2023 18:17 utc | 29
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Of course, that was under Yeltsin’s watch, what do you expect. He was a polyp on Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton’s ass.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 5 2023 18:49 utc | 64
Repply to: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2023 17:22 utc | 20
You may try this:
Vladimir Putin Meets with Members of the Valdai Discussion Club. Transcript of the Plenary Session of the 20th Annual Meeting, Valdai Discussian Club, Sochi 05.10.2023
Posted by: António Ferrão | Oct 5 2023 18:58 utc | 67
Repply to: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2023 17:22 utc | 20
You may try this:
Vladimir Putin Meets with Members of the Valdai Discussion Club. Transcript of the Plenary Session of the 20th Annual Meeting, Valdai Discussian Club, Sochi 05.10.2023
Posted by: António Ferrão | Oct 5 2023 18:58 utc | 68
Deans@24
Check out Anti-Spiegel’s recent piece which includes a summary of the lead up to the start of the SMO in Feb 2022 and see if you still with to assert that Russian military action in Ukraine was “illegal and unjustified”. The author only omits that after the Ukrainian regions voted to leave (disassociate) from Ukraine they then voted to ask Russia to receive them as part of the Russian Federation, the Russian Duma accepted these requests and President Putin signed them. (Unlike how Kosovo separated from Yugoslavia). Crimea took the same path, something they had been attempting for decades. Look for “Chronology of escalation” halfway down through the article.
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 18:58 utc | 69
Deans@24
Check out Anti-Spiegel’s recent piece which includes a summary of the lead up to the start of the SMO in Feb 2022 and see if you still with to assert that Russian military action in Ukraine was “illegal and unjustified”. The author only omits that after the Ukrainian regions voted to leave (disassociate) from Ukraine they then voted to ask Russia to receive them as part of the Russian Federation, the Russian Duma accepted these requests and President Putin signed them. (Unlike how Kosovo separated from Yugoslavia). Crimea took the same path, something they had been attempting for decades. Look for “Chronology of escalation” halfway down through the article.
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 18:58 utc | 70
Putin at Valdai:
“The head of the Investigative Committee reported just a few days ago that the bodies of those killed in the plane crash were found fragments of hand grenades. There was no external impact on the plane. This is an established fact. Fact – the result of an expert examination conducted by the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation.”
https://t.me/z_arhiv/25216
Posted by: too scents | Oct 5 2023 19:03 utc | 71
Putin at Valdai:
“The head of the Investigative Committee reported just a few days ago that the bodies of those killed in the plane crash were found fragments of hand grenades. There was no external impact on the plane. This is an established fact. Fact – the result of an expert examination conducted by the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation.”
https://t.me/z_arhiv/25216
Posted by: too scents | Oct 5 2023 19:03 utc | 72
Simplincius the Thinker weighs in…
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-10423-the-beginning-of-a-long
Kiev is no longer waging professional warfare by any metric of the term. It is now conducting the equivalent of a gambler who loses a hand, throws twice the money down to try again, loses again, and then moves onto the credit card, assuming that when the credit card is maxed out, it will somehow still be able to put money down.
A grim, very grim analysis….
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 5 2023 19:05 utc | 73
Simplincius the Thinker weighs in…
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-10423-the-beginning-of-a-long
Kiev is no longer waging professional warfare by any metric of the term. It is now conducting the equivalent of a gambler who loses a hand, throws twice the money down to try again, loses again, and then moves onto the credit card, assuming that when the credit card is maxed out, it will somehow still be able to put money down.
A grim, very grim analysis….
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 5 2023 19:05 utc | 74
Russian an attempt to penetrate into Crimea by a landing group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which was heading to Cape Tarkhankut on a boat and three jet skis.
Jet Skis !!!
Somebody would say they re watching too many James Bond movies
But this is really some UK Royal Marines specialty!
They re full on James Bond trip!
I remember one joint exercise at french coast twenty years ago. The Royal marines arrived with 40 jet skis
20 years ago
This was so funny 😆 we were laughing every day
Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 5 2023 19:05 utc | 75
Russian an attempt to penetrate into Crimea by a landing group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which was heading to Cape Tarkhankut on a boat and three jet skis.
Jet Skis !!!
Somebody would say they re watching too many James Bond movies
But this is really some UK Royal Marines specialty!
They re full on James Bond trip!
I remember one joint exercise at french coast twenty years ago. The Royal marines arrived with 40 jet skis
20 years ago
This was so funny 😆 we were laughing every day
Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 5 2023 19:05 utc | 76
Deans@24
You may wish to review Anti-Spiegel’s “Chronology of escalation” (reproduced below in translation from German) and decide whether you still wish to assert that Russia’s military action in Ukraine was “Unprovoked and illegal”. [I tried to past a link but this site prevented it]
“The chronology of the escalation
To clarify, I will show again how the escalation in Ukraine came about.
The last Normandy summit took place in Paris at the beginning of December 2019 . Zelensky then returned to Kiev and announced to his people behind closed doors that he would not implement the Minsk agreement. It was clear to everyone involved in Ukraine that a war with Russia had become unavoidable and Kiev began concrete preparations for war. The head of the Ukrainian Security Council, Alexei Danilov, said this openly in an interview in August 2022 and Zelensky has now confirmed this in the Spiegel interview.
In January 2021, Joe Biden became US President. Unlike his predecessor Trump, who did not want escalation in Ukraine, Biden gave Zelensky the green light. Zelensky then began cracking down on the opposition in February 2021 , after which the head of the largest opposition party was placed under house arrest and all opposition media was banned.
In March 2021, Zelensky put Ukraine’s new military doctrine into force, which stipulated a war with Russia with the aim of retaking Crimea by force and resolving the conflict in Donbass by force.
In mid-April 2021, the Biden administration announced the withdrawal from Afghanistan by September 11th.
In April and May 2021, Ukraine was on the verge of war with Russia, but was once again called back by the USA. Was the reason that the US troops were still in Afghanistan and therefore vulnerable, or that the US could not support Ukraine as extensively as long as they were still tied up in Afghanistan?
A summit meeting between Presidents Putin and Biden took place in mid-June 2021 , but there was no rapprochement.
The hasty escape of NATO and US troops from Afghanistan took place in August 2021 .
While Kiev escalated the situation in Donbass again from the end of 2021 and NATO increased its troop presence in Ukraine under the pretext of maneuvers and training missions, Germany and France officially buried the Minsk Agreement in November 2021 , although there was no mention of it in the Western media gave reports.
As Politico reported in October 2022, the Russia sanctions were already being prepared in talks between Washington and Brussels starting at least in November 2021 . That was three months before the start of the Russian intervention in Ukraine and just as Berlin and Paris were burying the Minsk Agreement. It was apparently clear to decision-makers in Washington and Brussels (and probably also in Berlin and Paris) that abandoning the Minsk Agreement would lead to war in Ukraine, which is why they prepared the corresponding sanctions at the same time. Afghanistan was a thing of the past and the USA had its hands free for a new conflict.
In December 2021, Russia ultimately demanded mutual security guarantees from the United States and NATO and the withdrawal of NATO troops from Ukraine, stating that in the event of rejection of mutual security guarantees, it would be forced to respond “militarily.” It was therefore clear that Russia would respond militarily to further efforts to draw Ukraine into NATO. That was the moment when all responsible politicians realized that refusing to negotiate with Russia would lead to war in Ukraine. The war and all the misery could have been prevented if the USA had been willing to permanently accept and guarantee a neutral status for Ukraine.
On January 8, 2022, Scott Miller was appointed US Ambassador to Switzerland. In a November 2022 interview , he openly said that the US had “ intelligence information about the invasion“ and he would have shown it to the Swiss government immediately, i.e. at the beginning of January 2022. Since discussions between Russia and the United States about whether there would be negotiations on the mutual security guarantees demanded by Russia were still ongoing at that time, Miller’s statement shows that the United States had already decided not to enter into negotiations were fully aware of the consequences, namely the Russian intervention in Ukraine. Miller also indirectly confirmed Politico’s report that the sanctions had been drawn up months in advance, something that Chancellor Scholz and other Western politicians later confirmed when they said that the Russia sanctions were “long in the making.”
At the end of January 2022, the Lend-Lease bill for Ukraine was introduced in the USA , about which it was written when it was submitted to Congress:
“This bill temporarily waives certain requirements related to the President’s authority to lend or lease defense equipment when the defense equipment is intended for the Government of Ukraine and is necessary to protect civilians in Ukraine from Russian military invasion.”
This once again confirms that the US was already preparing for war, while officially still talking with Russia about possible negotiations on mutual security guarantees, because the law to support Ukraine against the “Russian military invasion” was passed a month ago of Russian intervention was introduced in Congress.
Almost simultaneously with the submission of the law, the United States and NATO rejected Russia’s proposed negotiations on mutual security guarantees at the end of January 2022 .
On February 19, 2022, Zelensky threatened Ukraine’s nuclear armament at the Munich Security Conference to applause from high-ranking Western audiences . This meant that Russian intervention could no longer be prevented, because the fact that Ukraine, which had openly prepared for war against Russia in its military doctrine, was able to arm itself with nuclear weapons with the backing of the West was an unacceptable threat to Russia’s own security.
On February 21, 2022, Putin recognized the Donbas Republics and concluded assistance agreements with them. In his speech , Putin clearly warned Kiev of the consequences of further escalation. Kiev then demonstratively increased its shelling of civilian targets in Donbass.
On February 24 , 2022, Putin announced the start of the Russian military operation in Ukraine in another speech .
On March 29, 2022, there were negotiations between Kiev and Moscow regarding a ceasefire. Kiev itself proposed recognizing Crimea as Russian and finding a negotiated solution for Donbass. In addition, Kiev has agreed not to station foreign troops in its country and not to become a NATO member. However, Ukraine joining the EU was possible. In addition, as a sign of goodwill, Russia declared that it would withdraw its troops from the Kiev region, which Western media immediately re-declared as Russia’s military defeat, even though the Russian withdrawal took place without combat operations.
On April 3, 2022, reports of alleged massacres by the Russian army in Bucha appeared, but they quickly turned out to be a false flag operation . Nevertheless, Bucha was described as a Russian “crime” and widely covered in the media, while the possible negotiated settlement that had been reached just days earlier was not a topic in the media.
Great Britain also did not respond to the negotiated solution reached, but instead promised Ukraine military aid worth 100 million pounds to continue the fight against Russia on April 8, 2022 , which was one of the largest aid packages to date at the time.
A day later , on April 9, 2022 , British Prime Minister Johnson traveled to Kiev and spoke with Zelensky, who withdrew the Ukrainian offer following these talks and instead announced that the decision must be made on the battlefield.
On September 30, 2022, Ukrainian President Zelensky terminated negotiations with a Putin-led Russia by decree and penalty.
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 19:29 utc | 77
Deans@24
You may wish to review Anti-Spiegel’s “Chronology of escalation” (reproduced below in translation from German) and decide whether you still wish to assert that Russia’s military action in Ukraine was “Unprovoked and illegal”. [I tried to past a link but this site prevented it]
“The chronology of the escalation
To clarify, I will show again how the escalation in Ukraine came about.
The last Normandy summit took place in Paris at the beginning of December 2019 . Zelensky then returned to Kiev and announced to his people behind closed doors that he would not implement the Minsk agreement. It was clear to everyone involved in Ukraine that a war with Russia had become unavoidable and Kiev began concrete preparations for war. The head of the Ukrainian Security Council, Alexei Danilov, said this openly in an interview in August 2022 and Zelensky has now confirmed this in the Spiegel interview.
In January 2021, Joe Biden became US President. Unlike his predecessor Trump, who did not want escalation in Ukraine, Biden gave Zelensky the green light. Zelensky then began cracking down on the opposition in February 2021 , after which the head of the largest opposition party was placed under house arrest and all opposition media was banned.
In March 2021, Zelensky put Ukraine’s new military doctrine into force, which stipulated a war with Russia with the aim of retaking Crimea by force and resolving the conflict in Donbass by force.
In mid-April 2021, the Biden administration announced the withdrawal from Afghanistan by September 11th.
In April and May 2021, Ukraine was on the verge of war with Russia, but was once again called back by the USA. Was the reason that the US troops were still in Afghanistan and therefore vulnerable, or that the US could not support Ukraine as extensively as long as they were still tied up in Afghanistan?
A summit meeting between Presidents Putin and Biden took place in mid-June 2021 , but there was no rapprochement.
The hasty escape of NATO and US troops from Afghanistan took place in August 2021 .
While Kiev escalated the situation in Donbass again from the end of 2021 and NATO increased its troop presence in Ukraine under the pretext of maneuvers and training missions, Germany and France officially buried the Minsk Agreement in November 2021 , although there was no mention of it in the Western media gave reports.
As Politico reported in October 2022, the Russia sanctions were already being prepared in talks between Washington and Brussels starting at least in November 2021 . That was three months before the start of the Russian intervention in Ukraine and just as Berlin and Paris were burying the Minsk Agreement. It was apparently clear to decision-makers in Washington and Brussels (and probably also in Berlin and Paris) that abandoning the Minsk Agreement would lead to war in Ukraine, which is why they prepared the corresponding sanctions at the same time. Afghanistan was a thing of the past and the USA had its hands free for a new conflict.
In December 2021, Russia ultimately demanded mutual security guarantees from the United States and NATO and the withdrawal of NATO troops from Ukraine, stating that in the event of rejection of mutual security guarantees, it would be forced to respond “militarily.” It was therefore clear that Russia would respond militarily to further efforts to draw Ukraine into NATO. That was the moment when all responsible politicians realized that refusing to negotiate with Russia would lead to war in Ukraine. The war and all the misery could have been prevented if the USA had been willing to permanently accept and guarantee a neutral status for Ukraine.
On January 8, 2022, Scott Miller was appointed US Ambassador to Switzerland. In a November 2022 interview , he openly said that the US had “ intelligence information about the invasion“ and he would have shown it to the Swiss government immediately, i.e. at the beginning of January 2022. Since discussions between Russia and the United States about whether there would be negotiations on the mutual security guarantees demanded by Russia were still ongoing at that time, Miller’s statement shows that the United States had already decided not to enter into negotiations were fully aware of the consequences, namely the Russian intervention in Ukraine. Miller also indirectly confirmed Politico’s report that the sanctions had been drawn up months in advance, something that Chancellor Scholz and other Western politicians later confirmed when they said that the Russia sanctions were “long in the making.”
At the end of January 2022, the Lend-Lease bill for Ukraine was introduced in the USA , about which it was written when it was submitted to Congress:
“This bill temporarily waives certain requirements related to the President’s authority to lend or lease defense equipment when the defense equipment is intended for the Government of Ukraine and is necessary to protect civilians in Ukraine from Russian military invasion.”
This once again confirms that the US was already preparing for war, while officially still talking with Russia about possible negotiations on mutual security guarantees, because the law to support Ukraine against the “Russian military invasion” was passed a month ago of Russian intervention was introduced in Congress.
Almost simultaneously with the submission of the law, the United States and NATO rejected Russia’s proposed negotiations on mutual security guarantees at the end of January 2022 .
On February 19, 2022, Zelensky threatened Ukraine’s nuclear armament at the Munich Security Conference to applause from high-ranking Western audiences . This meant that Russian intervention could no longer be prevented, because the fact that Ukraine, which had openly prepared for war against Russia in its military doctrine, was able to arm itself with nuclear weapons with the backing of the West was an unacceptable threat to Russia’s own security.
On February 21, 2022, Putin recognized the Donbas Republics and concluded assistance agreements with them. In his speech , Putin clearly warned Kiev of the consequences of further escalation. Kiev then demonstratively increased its shelling of civilian targets in Donbass.
On February 24 , 2022, Putin announced the start of the Russian military operation in Ukraine in another speech .
On March 29, 2022, there were negotiations between Kiev and Moscow regarding a ceasefire. Kiev itself proposed recognizing Crimea as Russian and finding a negotiated solution for Donbass. In addition, Kiev has agreed not to station foreign troops in its country and not to become a NATO member. However, Ukraine joining the EU was possible. In addition, as a sign of goodwill, Russia declared that it would withdraw its troops from the Kiev region, which Western media immediately re-declared as Russia’s military defeat, even though the Russian withdrawal took place without combat operations.
On April 3, 2022, reports of alleged massacres by the Russian army in Bucha appeared, but they quickly turned out to be a false flag operation . Nevertheless, Bucha was described as a Russian “crime” and widely covered in the media, while the possible negotiated settlement that had been reached just days earlier was not a topic in the media.
Great Britain also did not respond to the negotiated solution reached, but instead promised Ukraine military aid worth 100 million pounds to continue the fight against Russia on April 8, 2022 , which was one of the largest aid packages to date at the time.
A day later , on April 9, 2022 , British Prime Minister Johnson traveled to Kiev and spoke with Zelensky, who withdrew the Ukrainian offer following these talks and instead announced that the decision must be made on the battlefield.
On September 30, 2022, Ukrainian President Zelensky terminated negotiations with a Putin-led Russia by decree and penalty.
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 19:29 utc | 78
If true, it must have been the funeral of one outstanding asshole to merit an Iskander.
The prosecutor of the Kharkiv region confirmed that the Russian missile strike was, but not the location of the Ukrainian military and foreign mercenaries, but the place of the wake of one of the Ukrainian nationalists.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/81745
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2023 19:35 utc | 79
If true, it must have been the funeral of one outstanding asshole to merit an Iskander.
The prosecutor of the Kharkiv region confirmed that the Russian missile strike was, but not the location of the Ukrainian military and foreign mercenaries, but the place of the wake of one of the Ukrainian nationalists.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/81745
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 5 2023 19:35 utc | 80
Just in case anyone thinks the chaos in the US Congress is going to stop the Ukrainian gravey train, think again. Biden has a major speech planned where he’ll address the fact that he’s going around Congress to funnel more funds and arms to Ukraine!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-suggests-path-around-congress-181538938.html
Posted by: bored | Oct 5 2023 19:37 utc | 81
Just in case anyone thinks the chaos in the US Congress is going to stop the Ukrainian gravey train, think again. Biden has a major speech planned where he’ll address the fact that he’s going around Congress to funnel more funds and arms to Ukraine!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-suggests-path-around-congress-181538938.html
Posted by: bored | Oct 5 2023 19:37 utc | 82
Posted by: Paco | Oct 5 2023 15:42 utc | 10
Too kind, always a pleasure.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2023 19:53 utc | 83
Posted by: Paco | Oct 5 2023 15:42 utc | 10
Too kind, always a pleasure.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 5 2023 19:53 utc | 84
Anyone confirm this one?
“An accident occurred. The body of US citizen Martin Hart was discovered at night near a residential complex under construction in the Shevchenko district between construction slabs”.
Posted by: jpc | Oct 5 2023 20:04 utc | 85
Anyone confirm this one?
“An accident occurred. The body of US citizen Martin Hart was discovered at night near a residential complex under construction in the Shevchenko district between construction slabs”.
Posted by: jpc | Oct 5 2023 20:04 utc | 86
@Posted by: bored | Oct 5 2023 19:37 utc | 40
Just in case anyone thinks the chaos in the US Congress is going to stop the Ukrainian gravey train, think again. Biden has a major speech planned where he’ll address the fact that he’s going around Congress to funnel more funds and arms to Ukraine!
“>https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-suggests-path-around-congress-181538938.html
Nothing like a good dictator move to protect the Ukrainian authoritarian fascist regime (otherwise known as “democracy”). This will end up at the Supreme Court and give more umph to the Biden impeachment drive.
@Posted by: bored | Oct 5 2023 19:37 utc | 40
Just in case anyone thinks the chaos in the US Congress is going to stop the Ukrainian gravey train, think again. Biden has a major speech planned where he’ll address the fact that he’s going around Congress to funnel more funds and arms to Ukraine!
“>https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-suggests-path-around-congress-181538938.html
Nothing like a good dictator move to protect the Ukrainian authoritarian fascist regime (otherwise known as “democracy”). This will end up at the Supreme Court and give more umph to the Biden impeachment drive.
Biden has a major speech planned
Posted by: bored | Oct 5 2023 19:37 utc | 40
Yeah well he ain’t orator like his ex boss Obama, known to me as the chocolate smoothie, so his plan best not hinge on his ability to persuade people.
Not sure if Joe knows about the first rule of holes, if not someone close might do him a good turn and explain it.
Posted by: bubbles | Oct 5 2023 20:19 utc | 89
Biden has a major speech planned
Posted by: bored | Oct 5 2023 19:37 utc | 40
Yeah well he ain’t orator like his ex boss Obama, known to me as the chocolate smoothie, so his plan best not hinge on his ability to persuade people.
Not sure if Joe knows about the first rule of holes, if not someone close might do him a good turn and explain it.
Posted by: bubbles | Oct 5 2023 20:19 utc | 90
RT is reporting that Ukraine is planning to punish those who fled abroad to avoid conscription. There is also a statement that such persons could be extradited from any country “except Russia”. Hmmm, seems like a suggestion.
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 20:25 utc | 91
RT is reporting that Ukraine is planning to punish those who fled abroad to avoid conscription. There is also a statement that such persons could be extradited from any country “except Russia”. Hmmm, seems like a suggestion.
Posted by: the pessimist | Oct 5 2023 20:25 utc | 92
Hey Eighthman @22 – That article “Hubris’ Downfall” was 10/10!
Posted by: Ezz | Oct 5 2023 20:28 utc | 93
Hey Eighthman @22 – That article “Hubris’ Downfall” was 10/10!
Posted by: Ezz | Oct 5 2023 20:28 utc | 94
Some weird messaging has come out of the Ukraine high command, seems more like something from The Sopranos or The Godfather: An Offer We Can’t Refuse?
Posted by: kana | Oct 5 2023 20:39 utc | 95
Some weird messaging has come out of the Ukraine high command, seems more like something from The Sopranos or The Godfather: An Offer We Can’t Refuse?
Posted by: kana | Oct 5 2023 20:39 utc | 96
On the subject of a possible collapse, here is a Ukraininan viewpoint
🇺🇸❌💲 = 🇺🇦😭 If the United States does not vote for additional funds for Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will run out of weapons in a month and a half – Strana publication.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/84112
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2023 20:45 utc | 97
On the subject of a possible collapse, here is a Ukraininan viewpoint
🇺🇸❌💲 = 🇺🇦😭 If the United States does not vote for additional funds for Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will run out of weapons in a month and a half – Strana publication.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/84112
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 5 2023 20:45 utc | 98
the pessimist 38
Can a prime minister elected to office purely by computer algorithms in a Tory Party privatised voting system be regarded as a prime minister?
USUKIS plant would be a better description. He not only thought he was above civil law, he also thought he was above the moral obligations on a ruler to protect civilians from war.
Difficult to tell who is the greater war criminal between Cameron and Johnson. Cameron created more havoc, and Johnson more bloodshed.
He should grow out his dyed blonde hair, get a nose job , jump off a private yacht and quietly disappear.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2023 20:47 utc | 99
the pessimist 38
Can a prime minister elected to office purely by computer algorithms in a Tory Party privatised voting system be regarded as a prime minister?
USUKIS plant would be a better description. He not only thought he was above civil law, he also thought he was above the moral obligations on a ruler to protect civilians from war.
Difficult to tell who is the greater war criminal between Cameron and Johnson. Cameron created more havoc, and Johnson more bloodshed.
He should grow out his dyed blonde hair, get a nose job , jump off a private yacht and quietly disappear.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 5 2023 20:47 utc | 100