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October 1, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-229
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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“…That is something that even like so much. That feeling of superiority…” simplex@52 Posted by: bevin | Oct 1 2023 19:52 utc | 101 “…That is something that even like so much. That feeling of superiority…” simplex@52 Posted by: bevin | Oct 1 2023 19:52 utc | 102 The whole funding issue over Ukraine may be a stalling tactic or a a feint. If the Russians think the funding will be stopped then they may hold back on a large offensive. Posted by: circumspect | Oct 1 2023 20:00 utc | 103 The whole funding issue over Ukraine may be a stalling tactic or a a feint. If the Russians think the funding will be stopped then they may hold back on a large offensive. Posted by: circumspect | Oct 1 2023 20:00 utc | 104 Hope Poland wises up and studies the Map and the Nato future . They have been deceived much by Britain, France, and the USA since WW1. They think of Poland as a Pawn. Poland needs to be Neutral . Posted by: leocz | Oct 1 2023 20:09 utc | 105 Hope Poland wises up and studies the Map and the Nato future . They have been deceived much by Britain, France, and the USA since WW1. They think of Poland as a Pawn. Poland needs to be Neutral . Posted by: leocz | Oct 1 2023 20:09 utc | 106 Posted by: bevin | Oct 1 2023 19:52 utc | 54
Dunno about that, maybe in EU and parts of US but here in Australasia there appears to be, if not active support then widespread passive acceptance of the Yankee narrative – as in “war is bad” therefore “Putin Bad” … and if you suggest the story is not so simple then “… so you support the Russian invasion?!?!” which I hear as “… so you want to have Putler’s babies?!?!”. Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Oct 1 2023 20:23 utc | 107 Posted by: bevin | Oct 1 2023 19:52 utc | 54
Dunno about that, maybe in EU and parts of US but here in Australasia there appears to be, if not active support then widespread passive acceptance of the Yankee narrative – as in “war is bad” therefore “Putin Bad” … and if you suggest the story is not so simple then “… so you support the Russian invasion?!?!” which I hear as “… so you want to have Putler’s babies?!?!”. Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Oct 1 2023 20:23 utc | 108 Downfall?
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 1 2023 20:32 utc | 109 Downfall?
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 1 2023 20:32 utc | 110 Posted by: simplex | Oct 1 2023 15:53 utc | 17 Posted by: Patience | Oct 1 2023 20:39 utc | 111 Posted by: simplex | Oct 1 2023 15:53 utc | 17 Posted by: Patience | Oct 1 2023 20:39 utc | 112 Military summary: Posted by: unimperator | Oct 1 2023 20:44 utc | 113 Military summary: Posted by: unimperator | Oct 1 2023 20:44 utc | 114 Zeug Posted by: Watcher | Oct 1 2023 20:49 utc | 115 Zeug Posted by: Watcher | Oct 1 2023 20:49 utc | 116 Hey Simplex, shout out on your efforts at making sense of US/NATO’s insanity at taking down Russia using Ukraine as a proxy, join the club. Posted by: Suresh | Oct 1 2023 20:52 utc | 117 Hey Simplex, shout out on your efforts at making sense of US/NATO’s insanity at taking down Russia using Ukraine as a proxy, join the club. Posted by: Suresh | Oct 1 2023 20:52 utc | 118 Several months ago, CNN, Zelensky, et al, were a buzz about Americans, Canadians, British, etc. volunteering to fight in Ukraine. What happened to them? CNN used to interview these volunteers and they suddenly stopped. Posted by: Englishman | Oct 1 2023 20:56 utc | 119 Several months ago, CNN, Zelensky, et al, were a buzz about Americans, Canadians, British, etc. volunteering to fight in Ukraine. What happened to them? CNN used to interview these volunteers and they suddenly stopped. Posted by: Englishman | Oct 1 2023 20:56 utc | 120 Postil’s Newsletter has the following from Alexander Dugin Posted by: bevin | Oct 1 2023 20:59 utc | 121 Postil’s Newsletter has the following from Alexander Dugin Posted by: bevin | Oct 1 2023 20:59 utc | 122 RT
If anyone here can post a public t.me link from this clown, please do. Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 1 2023 21:15 utc | 123 RT
If anyone here can post a public t.me link from this clown, please do. Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 1 2023 21:15 utc | 124 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 1 2023 20:44 utc | 59 Posted by: Milites | Oct 1 2023 21:19 utc | 125 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 1 2023 20:44 utc | 59 Posted by: Milites | Oct 1 2023 21:19 utc | 126 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 1 2023 20:44 utc | 59
Acc.to to that, A message to the Nuland/Blinken Club is being awaiting today acc.to the further UAF strategy, based on current ‘facts’ of success on the “West-Front”. Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 1 2023 21:20 utc | 127 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 1 2023 20:44 utc | 59
Acc.to to that, A message to the Nuland/Blinken Club is being awaiting today acc.to the further UAF strategy, based on current ‘facts’ of success on the “West-Front”. Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 1 2023 21:20 utc | 128 Cleverley of the UK government wants to send British troops to Ukraine and British warships to the Black Sea. Posted by: anon | Oct 1 2023 21:50 utc | 129 Cleverley of the UK government wants to send British troops to Ukraine and British warships to the Black Sea. Posted by: anon | Oct 1 2023 21:50 utc | 130 Will RF take odessa? Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 1 2023 21:59 utc | 131 Will RF take odessa? Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 1 2023 21:59 utc | 132 Will RF take odessa? Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 1 2023 22:08 utc | 133 Will RF take odessa? Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 1 2023 22:08 utc | 134 Has anyone news about Gonzalo Lira…. in jail, dead or alive? seems to be out of the news now. Posted by: medo | Oct 1 2023 22:11 utc | 135 Has anyone news about Gonzalo Lira…. in jail, dead or alive? seems to be out of the news now. Posted by: medo | Oct 1 2023 22:11 utc | 136 @70….last heard his trial date is Oct 4th. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 1 2023 22:19 utc | 137 @70….last heard his trial date is Oct 4th. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 1 2023 22:19 utc | 138 ‘Either the Kiev regime capitulates on the terms of the Russian Federation Posted by: Milites | Oct 1 2023 22:22 utc | 139 ‘Either the Kiev regime capitulates on the terms of the Russian Federation Posted by: Milites | Oct 1 2023 22:22 utc | 140 Re: Posted by: LogosApplied | Oct 1 2023 22:28 utc | 141 Re: Posted by: LogosApplied | Oct 1 2023 22:28 utc | 142 @69 Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 1 2023 22:31 utc | 143 @69 Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 1 2023 22:31 utc | 144 A lot of private jets from major Nato countries flew to Lublin in Poland. They are holding an emergency meeting, probably about Ukraine. Media hasn’t been notified. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 1 2023 22:36 utc | 145 A lot of private jets from major Nato countries flew to Lublin in Poland. They are holding an emergency meeting, probably about Ukraine. Media hasn’t been notified. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 1 2023 22:36 utc | 146 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 1 2023 20:32 utc | 57 Posted by: watcher | Oct 1 2023 22:44 utc | 147 Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 1 2023 20:32 utc | 57 Posted by: watcher | Oct 1 2023 22:44 utc | 148 It’s gone all quiet today. There is hardly any activity being reported. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 1 2023 22:53 utc | 149 It’s gone all quiet today. There is hardly any activity being reported. Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 1 2023 22:53 utc | 150 War in Ukraine is the most important project of the collective West, ever. Posted by: Grishka | Oct 1 2023 23:13 utc | 151 War in Ukraine is the most important project of the collective West, ever. Posted by: Grishka | Oct 1 2023 23:13 utc | 152 Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 1 2023 22:08 utc | 69 Posted by: Milites | Oct 1 2023 23:27 utc | 153 Posted by: Muthaucker | Oct 1 2023 22:08 utc | 69 Posted by: Milites | Oct 1 2023 23:27 utc | 154 The stat’s about covid were interesting and translated through to general daily propaganda targets. The trumpeters as they were said hillbilly rednecks and the highly educated on top incomes were the demographics refusing to be vaccinated. So as an Australian myself media gives dozens per day across all banners that China Russia bad. Even Indonesia I don’t think I’ve ever seen a positive story. My wife is Indonesian we know the realities that are spun . But it suits the sky news reader echo chamber. Myself I post a bit on domestic media in the few articles that ever have comments section open. To only be immediately down voted and called a CCP BOT for ever pushing against the empire narrative. Social media purged all dissenters over the last few years , I’m not sure there are any left. Even Aussie Cossack is in hiding in RF embassy as a Assange type for his citizen journalism. Avi Yemeni the Zionist similar to upstart Cossack is left to freely roam as long as his alt journalism instigates race hate it seems. Posted by: Hankster | Oct 1 2023 23:38 utc | 155 The stat’s about covid were interesting and translated through to general daily propaganda targets. The trumpeters as they were said hillbilly rednecks and the highly educated on top incomes were the demographics refusing to be vaccinated. So as an Australian myself media gives dozens per day across all banners that China Russia bad. Even Indonesia I don’t think I’ve ever seen a positive story. My wife is Indonesian we know the realities that are spun . But it suits the sky news reader echo chamber. Myself I post a bit on domestic media in the few articles that ever have comments section open. To only be immediately down voted and called a CCP BOT for ever pushing against the empire narrative. Social media purged all dissenters over the last few years , I’m not sure there are any left. Even Aussie Cossack is in hiding in RF embassy as a Assange type for his citizen journalism. Avi Yemeni the Zionist similar to upstart Cossack is left to freely roam as long as his alt journalism instigates race hate it seems. Posted by: Hankster | Oct 1 2023 23:38 utc | 156 leocz @ 55 Posted by: Jane | Oct 1 2023 23:46 utc | 157 leocz @ 55 Posted by: Jane | Oct 1 2023 23:46 utc | 158 “Russia supposedly has tens of billions of dollars worth of Indian rupees stuck in its bank account in India from oil sales priced in rupees because Russia is not allowed to convert the rupees into dollars or euros.” Posted by: Jason | Oct 1 2023 23:47 utc | 159 “Russia supposedly has tens of billions of dollars worth of Indian rupees stuck in its bank account in India from oil sales priced in rupees because Russia is not allowed to convert the rupees into dollars or euros.” Posted by: Jason | Oct 1 2023 23:47 utc | 160 Posted by: Grishka | Oct 1 2023 23:13 utc | 78 Posted by: Milites | Oct 2 2023 0:02 utc | 161 Posted by: Grishka | Oct 1 2023 23:13 utc | 78 Posted by: Milites | Oct 2 2023 0:02 utc | 162 The $24B for Ukraine that McCarthy is working though the backdoor finances the Ukie government for exactly one quarter. The money for conducting war is in another tranche or various other US budgets. Biden alone has ways of throwing money around. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 2 2023 0:18 utc | 163 The $24B for Ukraine that McCarthy is working though the backdoor finances the Ukie government for exactly one quarter. The money for conducting war is in another tranche or various other US budgets. Biden alone has ways of throwing money around. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 2 2023 0:18 utc | 164 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Oct 2 2023 0:41 utc | 165 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Oct 2 2023 0:41 utc | 166 Operation Rope A Dope will continue as the west spends money and eventually loses interest in Project Ukraine. Time is Russia’s friend. I don’t see a big Russian Offensive as long as Ukraine continues to rush head long into kill zones. With good planning Russia could have a Fall of Saigon moment around the November 24 US elections. Posted by: Trimbly | Oct 2 2023 1:18 utc | 167 Operation Rope A Dope will continue as the west spends money and eventually loses interest in Project Ukraine. Time is Russia’s friend. I don’t see a big Russian Offensive as long as Ukraine continues to rush head long into kill zones. With good planning Russia could have a Fall of Saigon moment around the November 24 US elections. Posted by: Trimbly | Oct 2 2023 1:18 utc | 168 Sumy & Chernihiv will be taken long before Odessa is considered – they are far more strategic – and close – to Moscow. Posted by: Julian | Oct 2 2023 2:14 utc | 169 Sumy & Chernihiv will be taken long before Odessa is considered – they are far more strategic – and close – to Moscow. Posted by: Julian | Oct 2 2023 2:14 utc | 170 Russia is building up more forces in kupiansk again, after ukraine reinforced there to stop russia advances. Posted by: War Lord | Oct 2 2023 2:26 utc | 171 Russia is building up more forces in kupiansk again, after ukraine reinforced there to stop russia advances. Posted by: War Lord | Oct 2 2023 2:26 utc | 172 WTF?!?
What a prime target – gone begging. Posted by: Julian | Oct 2 2023 5:29 utc | 173 WTF?!?
What a prime target – gone begging. Posted by: Julian | Oct 2 2023 5:29 utc | 174 Posted by: Milites | Oct 1 2023 21:19 utc | 65 Posted by: jean levant | Oct 2 2023 6:03 utc | 175 Posted by: Milites | Oct 1 2023 21:19 utc | 65 Posted by: jean levant | Oct 2 2023 6:03 utc | 176 Posted by: Julian | Oct 2 2023 2:14 utc | 87 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 2 2023 6:22 utc | 177 Posted by: Julian | Oct 2 2023 2:14 utc | 87 Posted by: unimperator | Oct 2 2023 6:22 utc | 178
Imports for drone components from China drying up. But Russia already set up the production lines and can still get components through ”luggage” due to geographical proximity much easier than Ukraine. Ukraine relied on getting everything from Alibaba with USD credit lines. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 2 2023 6:39 utc | 179
Imports for drone components from China drying up. But Russia already set up the production lines and can still get components through ”luggage” due to geographical proximity much easier than Ukraine. Ukraine relied on getting everything from Alibaba with USD credit lines. Posted by: unimperator | Oct 2 2023 6:39 utc | 180
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Posted by: unimperator | Oct 2 2023 7:13 utc | 182 Re: Odessa Posted by: Mary | Oct 2 2023 7:21 utc | 183 Re: Odessa Posted by: Mary | Oct 2 2023 7:21 utc | 184 Apparently Borrell is in Kiev today, the Lublin confab must have been a consensus planning session. Posted by: Exile | Oct 2 2023 7:24 utc | 185 Apparently Borrell is in Kiev today, the Lublin confab must have been a consensus planning session. Posted by: Exile | Oct 2 2023 7:24 utc | 186 Neither of your links purporting to provide a statement from the Russian MoD are official. Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Oct 2 2023 7:36 utc | 187 Neither of your links purporting to provide a statement from the Russian MoD are official. Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Oct 2 2023 7:36 utc | 188 Why weren’t they sent to do their business?!?!? Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Oct 2 2023 7:37 utc | 189 Why weren’t they sent to do their business?!?!? Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Oct 2 2023 7:37 utc | 190 @ Julian Posted by: Jason | Oct 2 2023 7:37 utc | 191 @ Julian Posted by: Jason | Oct 2 2023 7:37 utc | 192 “Russia supposedly has tens of billions of dollars worth of Indian rupees stuck in its bank account in India from oil sales priced in rupees because Russia is not allowed to convert the rupees into dollars or euros“ Posted by: BillB | Oct 2 2023 7:43 utc | 193 “Russia supposedly has tens of billions of dollars worth of Indian rupees stuck in its bank account in India from oil sales priced in rupees because Russia is not allowed to convert the rupees into dollars or euros“ Posted by: BillB | Oct 2 2023 7:43 utc | 194 https://www.rt.com/news/583873-poland-blast-zelensky-help-ukraine/ Posted by: snake | Oct 2 2023 8:05 utc | 195 https://www.rt.com/news/583873-poland-blast-zelensky-help-ukraine/ Posted by: snake | Oct 2 2023 8:05 utc | 196 @99 Posted by: Mario | Oct 2 2023 8:25 utc | 197 @99 Posted by: Mario | Oct 2 2023 8:25 utc | 198 Just to note to those who might be interested on the current NATO ISR – I counted 8 NATO ISR AWACS stretching all the way around the Western borders of Kaliningrad, Ukraine, Belorussia, the Black Sea Romanian coast. Posted by: whirlX | Oct 2 2023 8:34 utc | 199 Just to note to those who might be interested on the current NATO ISR – I counted 8 NATO ISR AWACS stretching all the way around the Western borders of Kaliningrad, Ukraine, Belorussia, the Black Sea Romanian coast. Posted by: whirlX | Oct 2 2023 8:34 utc | 200 |
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