Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 27, 2023
Two Middle East Outlooks

Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor and dimwit, had written a laudation of his own and his bosses foreign policy for the November print edition of Foreign Affairs. The piece was finalized before the war in Palestine had begun.

The Sources of American Power
A Foreign Policy for a Changed World

Excerpts:

Indeed, although the Middle East remains beset with perennial challenges, the region is quieter than it has been for decades.

The progress is fragile, to be sure. But it is also not an accident.

[The president's] approach returns discipline to U.S. policy. It emphasizes deterring aggression, de-escalating conflicts, and integrating the region through joint infrastructure projects and new partnerships, including between Israel and its Arab neighbors. And it is bearing fruit.

This disciplined approach frees up resources for other global priorities, reduces the risk of new Middle Eastern conflicts, and ensures that U.S. interests are protected on a far more sustainable basis. Challenges remain. The Israeli-Palestinian situation is tense, particularly in the West Bank, but in the face of serious frictions, we have de-escalated crises in Gaza and restored direct diplomacy between the parties after years of its absence.

Alastair Crooke, who has personally negotiated prisoner exchanges between Hamas and Israel, has published a rather bleak outlook.

Escalations Cannot Be Stopped – The White House Is Rattled; Escalations Might All Fuse Into ‘One’
The reality of the necessity of war is permeating widely the consciousness of the Arabic and Islamic world.


It is no coincidence that Netanyahu flourished a map of Israel during his General Assembly address last month in which Israel dominated from the River to the Sea – and Palestine (indeed any Palestinian territory) was non-existent.

Tom Friedman in his NYT reflections may fear that just as NATO’s impaired performance in Ukraine has ruptured ‘the NATO myth’, so too the 7 October Israeli military and intelligence collapse and what happens in its wake in Gaza ‘might explode the entire pro-American alliance structure’ in the Middle East.

The confluence of two such humiliations might break the spine of western primacy. This seems to be the gist to Friedman’s analysis. (He likely is correct).

Hamas has succeeded in smashing the Israel deterrence paradigm: They were not afraid, the IDF proved far from invincible, and the Arab street mobilised as never before (confounding western cynics who laugh at the very notion of there being an ‘Arab Street’).

Well, that is where we are – and the White House is rattled.

This is what worries the White House Team. They are deeply unconfident that an Israeli invasion of Gaza will put ‘Humpty’ together again. Rather, they fear that events may go badly for the IDF, and further, that the images relayed across the Middle East of Israel using overwhelming force in a civilian urban setting will revolt the Islamic sphere.

In spite of western scepticism, there are signs that this insurrection in the Arab sphere is different, and resembles more the 1916 Arab Revolt that overthrew the Ottoman Empire. It is taking on a distinct ‘edge’ as both Shi’a and Sunni religious authorities state the duty of Muslims to stand with Palestinians. In other words, as the Israeli polity becomes plainly ‘Prophetical’, so the Islamic mood is turning eschatological, in its turn.

That the White House should be floating kites about ‘moderate’ Arab leaders pressing ‘moderate’ Palestinians to form an Israeli-friendly government in Gaza that would displace Hamas and impose security and order shows just how severed is the West from reality. Recall that Mahmoud Abbas, General Sisi and the King of Jordan (some of the region’s most pliable leaders) pointedly refused even to meet with Biden after the latter’s Israel trip.

The anger across the region is real and threatens ‘moderate’ Arab leaders, whose room for manoeuvre is now circumscribed.

So hotspots are proliferating, as are attacks on U.S. deployments around the region. Some in Washington claim to perceive an Iranian hand, and are hoping to expand a window for war with Iran.

Should Israel enter Gaza (and Israel may decide it has no choice but to launch a ground operation, given the domestic political dynamics and public sentiment), it is likely that Hizbullah will incrementally be drawn further in, leaving the U.S. with the binary option of seeing Israel defeated, or launching a major war in which all the hotspots become fused ‘as one’.

In a sense, the Israeli-Islamic conflict now may only be resolved in this kinetic way. All efforts since 1947 have seen the divide only deepen. The reality of the necessity of war is permeating widely the consciousness of the Arabic and Islamic world.

Comments

The anger across the region is real and threatens ‘moderate’ Arab leaders, whose room for manoeuvre is now circumscribed.
Posted by b on October 27, 2023 at 13:44 UTC
And yet nothing happens, what if the US forces are just there to pause everything until nothing happens?

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 27 2023 13:57 utc | 1

The anger across the region is real and threatens ‘moderate’ Arab leaders, whose room for manoeuvre is now circumscribed.
Posted by b on October 27, 2023 at 13:44 UTC
And yet nothing happens, what if the US forces are just there to pause everything until nothing happens?

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 27 2023 13:57 utc | 2

Dmitry Medvedev writes:
Israel keeps postponing its ground operation in Gaza. Mostly under pressure from the United States and fearing global anger.
But do not flatter yourself. The operation will take place, and will result in the most serious bloody consequences. Moloch always demands more and more victims, and the machine of mutual violence will now work for years.
In addition, the West is very tired of Ukraine. And he enthusiastically took up the support of Israel. Even the new speaker of the US House of Representatives, Michael Jackson (sorry, Mike Johnson, although what difference does it make), called helping Tel Aviv his first business.
Or maybe it’s better to resume the Middle East settlement process and finally try to implement UN Security Council Resolution No. 242 of 11/22/67? Or even the original Plan for the partition of Palestine, adopted on November 29, 1947 by UNGA Resolution No. 181?
Those questions are, of course, rhetorical. After all, it is much more interesting to divide the loot for someone else’s war away from the USA. The war must go on…

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/70553

Posted by: Down South | Oct 27 2023 13:59 utc | 3

Dmitry Medvedev writes:
Israel keeps postponing its ground operation in Gaza. Mostly under pressure from the United States and fearing global anger.
But do not flatter yourself. The operation will take place, and will result in the most serious bloody consequences. Moloch always demands more and more victims, and the machine of mutual violence will now work for years.
In addition, the West is very tired of Ukraine. And he enthusiastically took up the support of Israel. Even the new speaker of the US House of Representatives, Michael Jackson (sorry, Mike Johnson, although what difference does it make), called helping Tel Aviv his first business.
Or maybe it’s better to resume the Middle East settlement process and finally try to implement UN Security Council Resolution No. 242 of 11/22/67? Or even the original Plan for the partition of Palestine, adopted on November 29, 1947 by UNGA Resolution No. 181?
Those questions are, of course, rhetorical. After all, it is much more interesting to divide the loot for someone else’s war away from the USA. The war must go on…

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/70553

Posted by: Down South | Oct 27 2023 13:59 utc | 4

Nothing will happen except the decimation of Gaza and possibly its reoccupation by Israel, the deterioration and possible destruction of hard-won Syrian stability, and the further long-term isolation of the US and Israel.
Iran will not engage unless directly attacked and even then might not engage fully. Russia will do nothing. Neither will China. Arab states are useless pawns whose populations can be mollified by statements and symbolic gestures.
Nobody wants to set off the trip wire unleashing the resentful wrath of the dying empire.

Posted by: WJ | Oct 27 2023 14:03 utc | 5

Nothing will happen except the decimation of Gaza and possibly its reoccupation by Israel, the deterioration and possible destruction of hard-won Syrian stability, and the further long-term isolation of the US and Israel.
Iran will not engage unless directly attacked and even then might not engage fully. Russia will do nothing. Neither will China. Arab states are useless pawns whose populations can be mollified by statements and symbolic gestures.
Nobody wants to set off the trip wire unleashing the resentful wrath of the dying empire.

Posted by: WJ | Oct 27 2023 14:03 utc | 6

Sobering and rational analysis.
Bringing an ethnoreligious element into the analysyis is not only inaccurate, it gives war hawks all they need to inflame the population: “Them” (Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians) vs Us.
Let’s be clear: we are all about our own survival first and foremost.
The countries surrounding Israel are horrified by the scale of the violence because they are HUMAN and because they realize that if Israel gets away with this, they will be NEXT. Nothing to do with your ethnicity or where you pray.
American policy making is not done based on who is Catholic and who is Baptist. That’s a game of NATOstan media to frame Arabs as being concerned about that. First and foremost, any leader of a Middle East country other than Israel is most worried about staying ALIVE.
Israel is a colonial project. Worse, it is an apartheid and supremacist colonial project. The state of Israel explicitly brings “ethnicity” into their supremacy. On the flip side, those fighting colonial occupation are fighting colonial occuption. End Of.
We keep hearing about “moderate” Arabs, Hillary’s “moderate” rebels.
“Moderate” is code for Controlled By Us.
We never hear about radical violent Zionism, the Palestinian right to self defense, the Palestinian right to have an army other than the Palestinian (Paragliding) “Airforce, teaching Israelis how to “share” etc.
All of the more sober and rational voices including those by Ritter etc. to my mind overemphasize the religious and ethnic element.
I am not Muslim and have no ethnic or religious connection to that region of the world.
Yet I am horrified and have been for 30 years by NATO governments destroying countries to try and get stuff. This is no different. There are a ton of secular and Christian Palestinians. Hezbollah’s charter explicitly includes the protection of Christians. It’s just about resisting intolerable conditions.

Posted by: pq | Oct 27 2023 14:13 utc | 7

Sobering and rational analysis.
Bringing an ethnoreligious element into the analysyis is not only inaccurate, it gives war hawks all they need to inflame the population: “Them” (Arabs, Muslims, Palestinians) vs Us.
Let’s be clear: we are all about our own survival first and foremost.
The countries surrounding Israel are horrified by the scale of the violence because they are HUMAN and because they realize that if Israel gets away with this, they will be NEXT. Nothing to do with your ethnicity or where you pray.
American policy making is not done based on who is Catholic and who is Baptist. That’s a game of NATOstan media to frame Arabs as being concerned about that. First and foremost, any leader of a Middle East country other than Israel is most worried about staying ALIVE.
Israel is a colonial project. Worse, it is an apartheid and supremacist colonial project. The state of Israel explicitly brings “ethnicity” into their supremacy. On the flip side, those fighting colonial occupation are fighting colonial occuption. End Of.
We keep hearing about “moderate” Arabs, Hillary’s “moderate” rebels.
“Moderate” is code for Controlled By Us.
We never hear about radical violent Zionism, the Palestinian right to self defense, the Palestinian right to have an army other than the Palestinian (Paragliding) “Airforce, teaching Israelis how to “share” etc.
All of the more sober and rational voices including those by Ritter etc. to my mind overemphasize the religious and ethnic element.
I am not Muslim and have no ethnic or religious connection to that region of the world.
Yet I am horrified and have been for 30 years by NATO governments destroying countries to try and get stuff. This is no different. There are a ton of secular and Christian Palestinians. Hezbollah’s charter explicitly includes the protection of Christians. It’s just about resisting intolerable conditions.

Posted by: pq | Oct 27 2023 14:13 utc | 8

Palestine the Arab revolt..
https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine/The-Arab-Revolt https://strategic-culture.su/news/2023/10/26/escalations-cannot-be-stopped-the-white-house-is-rattled-escalations-might-all-fuse-into-one/
very interesting happenings posted on Russian times.
Israel bombing everything but Hamas in Gaza Jackson Hinkle
https://www.rt.com/news/585948-israel-forcing-palestinians-out-hinkle/
1. “The true goal of the operation is to force Palestinians out of the enclave..””
<=supports my thesis:the forced evacuation is about denying Palestinians benefits from offshore Lavante Reserve gas field and pipeline connecting the gas to Italy, Europe through Greece Turkey. Is Russia to Greece Turkey Europe Turkish Stream..next? 2."Hungary and Slovakia opposed a €50 billion ($52.8 USD) aid package for Ukraine.Thursday," "Orban .Ukrainians w\n win on the front lines.Putin w\n go away". https://www.rt.com/news/585951-nato-states-blocked-ukraine-aid/
3. New Israeli law? allows police to use live fire v. protesting Israeli citizens”.
https://www.rt.com/news/585947-israel-police-live-fire/
4. China to snub Zelensky’s ‘peace’ meeting in Malta – Bloomberg
https://www.rt.com/news/585952-china-snub-zelensky-peace-summit/
5. Biden must explain Ukraine endgame – [Mike Johnson, new House speaker] American people “are demanding some real accountability” for billions allocated to Kiev, https://www.rt.com/news/585926-biden-ukraine-aid-endgame-republicans/
6. A rift .. between the Neyanyahu and military leadership delays invasion source calls NYT says it..
https://www.rt.com/news/585930-netanyahu-gaza-plan-nyt/
7. https://www.rt.com/business/585942-russia-interest-rate-hike/
8. <= 240 pg Health Ministry Report 6,747 people killed by Israel’s strikes since Oct. 7 https://www.rt.com/news/585929-gaza-names-biden-israel/
9. Two different secret Israeli bases in Eritrea ..attacked. source southfront

Posted by: snake | Oct 27 2023 14:14 utc | 9

Palestine the Arab revolt..
https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine/The-Arab-Revolt https://strategic-culture.su/news/2023/10/26/escalations-cannot-be-stopped-the-white-house-is-rattled-escalations-might-all-fuse-into-one/
very interesting happenings posted on Russian times.
Israel bombing everything but Hamas in Gaza Jackson Hinkle
https://www.rt.com/news/585948-israel-forcing-palestinians-out-hinkle/
1. “The true goal of the operation is to force Palestinians out of the enclave..””
<=supports my thesis:the forced evacuation is about denying Palestinians benefits from offshore Lavante Reserve gas field and pipeline connecting the gas to Italy, Europe through Greece Turkey. Is Russia to Greece Turkey Europe Turkish Stream..next? 2."Hungary and Slovakia opposed a €50 billion ($52.8 USD) aid package for Ukraine.Thursday," "Orban .Ukrainians w\n win on the front lines.Putin w\n go away". https://www.rt.com/news/585951-nato-states-blocked-ukraine-aid/
3. New Israeli law? allows police to use live fire v. protesting Israeli citizens”.
https://www.rt.com/news/585947-israel-police-live-fire/
4. China to snub Zelensky’s ‘peace’ meeting in Malta – Bloomberg
https://www.rt.com/news/585952-china-snub-zelensky-peace-summit/
5. Biden must explain Ukraine endgame – [Mike Johnson, new House speaker] American people “are demanding some real accountability” for billions allocated to Kiev, https://www.rt.com/news/585926-biden-ukraine-aid-endgame-republicans/
6. A rift .. between the Neyanyahu and military leadership delays invasion source calls NYT says it..
https://www.rt.com/news/585930-netanyahu-gaza-plan-nyt/
7. https://www.rt.com/business/585942-russia-interest-rate-hike/
8. <= 240 pg Health Ministry Report 6,747 people killed by Israel’s strikes since Oct. 7 https://www.rt.com/news/585929-gaza-names-biden-israel/
9. Two different secret Israeli bases in Eritrea ..attacked. source southfront

Posted by: snake | Oct 27 2023 14:14 utc | 10

Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor and dimwit. B perfect comment and true…Bad actor also. He couldn’t sell air…..

Posted by: Dennis17 | Oct 27 2023 14:17 utc | 11

Jake Sullivan, National Security Advisor and dimwit. B perfect comment and true…Bad actor also. He couldn’t sell air…..

Posted by: Dennis17 | Oct 27 2023 14:17 utc | 12

“Dimwit” to describe Jake Sullivan is an excellent choice of words. Bernhard always surprises, few write so well in non-native languages.
Sullivan unfortunately is probably the brightest of the current staff. The rest are genuine dullards. Sullivan’s background is as Hillary’s toady, he has spent so much time saying the immediately opportune thing to powerful and witless auditors he may be genuinely confused as to what is real.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 27 2023 14:22 utc | 13

“Dimwit” to describe Jake Sullivan is an excellent choice of words. Bernhard always surprises, few write so well in non-native languages.
Sullivan unfortunately is probably the brightest of the current staff. The rest are genuine dullards. Sullivan’s background is as Hillary’s toady, he has spent so much time saying the immediately opportune thing to powerful and witless auditors he may be genuinely confused as to what is real.

Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 27 2023 14:22 utc | 14

Forgive my skepticism but I think, “anything goes and nothing matters” gets closest to the truth. Military experts ( who would be credible in a more sane time) have little or nothing predictive to offer because of the bizarre ( meh) mindset of the West.
Examples: the mighty US loses to goat herders after 20+ years of fighting. Reaction? Ho hum…. Ukraine loses Bakhmut after hyping it to the skies, then loses the counteroffensive and is losing in Avdeevka. Collapse? Nah. Israel loses diplomatically across the globe. That and $3 gets you coffee at Starbucks.
The biggest one of all is a national contest between two elderly men with mental problems who lie habitually. And no one seems to notice or care. Japan goes on decade after decade by printing money and doing shell games with its economy.
If a future headline read, “Last Ukrainian dies” (or Gaza resident), the followup would be ‘and in other news cute kittens now available at SPCA this week’
How does this ever change? I guess people have to starve, freeze, or die. Given the increase in US homelessness in major cities, I’m not sure that matters either. Maybe a future bankrupt US uses a stolen credit card to buy a couple bombs to drop on some brown people somewhere it decides are terrorist helpers.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 27 2023 14:26 utc | 15

Forgive my skepticism but I think, “anything goes and nothing matters” gets closest to the truth. Military experts ( who would be credible in a more sane time) have little or nothing predictive to offer because of the bizarre ( meh) mindset of the West.
Examples: the mighty US loses to goat herders after 20+ years of fighting. Reaction? Ho hum…. Ukraine loses Bakhmut after hyping it to the skies, then loses the counteroffensive and is losing in Avdeevka. Collapse? Nah. Israel loses diplomatically across the globe. That and $3 gets you coffee at Starbucks.
The biggest one of all is a national contest between two elderly men with mental problems who lie habitually. And no one seems to notice or care. Japan goes on decade after decade by printing money and doing shell games with its economy.
If a future headline read, “Last Ukrainian dies” (or Gaza resident), the followup would be ‘and in other news cute kittens now available at SPCA this week’
How does this ever change? I guess people have to starve, freeze, or die. Given the increase in US homelessness in major cities, I’m not sure that matters either. Maybe a future bankrupt US uses a stolen credit card to buy a couple bombs to drop on some brown people somewhere it decides are terrorist helpers.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 27 2023 14:26 utc | 16

Here’s a Times of Israel article that might be of interest to some, detailing strange military activity by Hamas on the Gaza border, as reported by IDF soldiers stationed there, that seemingly didn’t heighten IDF alertness/alarm/or readiness: https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-warned-of-hamas-activity-on-gaza-border-for-months-before-oct-7/

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 27 2023 14:26 utc | 17

Here’s a Times of Israel article that might be of interest to some, detailing strange military activity by Hamas on the Gaza border, as reported by IDF soldiers stationed there, that seemingly didn’t heighten IDF alertness/alarm/or readiness: https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-warned-of-hamas-activity-on-gaza-border-for-months-before-oct-7/

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 27 2023 14:26 utc | 18

9. Two different secret Israeli bases in Eritrea ..attacked. source southfront
Posted by: snake | Oct 27 2023 14:14 utc | 5
That was surprising.
I wouldn’t have pegged Eritrea for a stooge of Zion.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 27 2023 14:29 utc | 19

9. Two different secret Israeli bases in Eritrea ..attacked. source southfront
Posted by: snake | Oct 27 2023 14:14 utc | 5
That was surprising.
I wouldn’t have pegged Eritrea for a stooge of Zion.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 27 2023 14:29 utc | 20

Great find on Sullivan’s inane article, that deserves more study. As for Crooke’s piece, sadly I can’t agree. While Israel and the White House are indeed genuinely rattled, so far it isn’t clear that things have shifted enough on the Arab street. “Moderate” Arab regimes have always functioned as crumple zones to absorb anger at US/EU/Israeli action, and so far they are still funcitoning as designed. There is a risk that will fail as this goes longers and gets worse, but we aren’t there yet.

Posted by: Bob | Oct 27 2023 14:31 utc | 21

Great find on Sullivan’s inane article, that deserves more study. As for Crooke’s piece, sadly I can’t agree. While Israel and the White House are indeed genuinely rattled, so far it isn’t clear that things have shifted enough on the Arab street. “Moderate” Arab regimes have always functioned as crumple zones to absorb anger at US/EU/Israeli action, and so far they are still funcitoning as designed. There is a risk that will fail as this goes longers and gets worse, but we aren’t there yet.

Posted by: Bob | Oct 27 2023 14:31 utc | 22

Also from the Alaister Crooke piece:
‘The internal ‘myth’ holds that the Israeli State ‘has its citizens back’, wherever Jews live in Israel and the Occupied Territories – from the remotest settlements, to the alleyways of Jerusalem’s Old City. This is more than a social contract; rather, it is a spiritual obligation owed to all Jews living in Israel.
This ‘social contract’ of safety however just collapsed. The Kibbutzim in the Gaza envelope are evacuated; twenty kibbuz have been evacuated from the north, and a total of 43 border towns have been evacuated.‘

Posted by: Moses22 | Oct 27 2023 14:42 utc | 23

Also from the Alaister Crooke piece:
‘The internal ‘myth’ holds that the Israeli State ‘has its citizens back’, wherever Jews live in Israel and the Occupied Territories – from the remotest settlements, to the alleyways of Jerusalem’s Old City. This is more than a social contract; rather, it is a spiritual obligation owed to all Jews living in Israel.
This ‘social contract’ of safety however just collapsed. The Kibbutzim in the Gaza envelope are evacuated; twenty kibbuz have been evacuated from the north, and a total of 43 border towns have been evacuated.‘

Posted by: Moses22 | Oct 27 2023 14:42 utc | 24

Indeed the dynamics are changing rapidly. The rise of China and Russia as the driving force beyond Western narrative is allowing other countries more room for maneuver. It is increasingly obvious to anyone who bothers to study modern history that Israel is fundamentally a creation of the West built on Palestinian land that was imposed by the combination of US, UK, and Germany under the influence of Jewish pressure. The Global South including Russia and China are not burdened by such influences or historical baggage. If one reads the Reader’s comments section of NYT and WaPo, it is obvious that even English readers are dramatically changing. Perhaps there is hope for a free Palestinian State afterall.

Posted by: ConfuciusNow | Oct 27 2023 14:44 utc | 25

Indeed the dynamics are changing rapidly. The rise of China and Russia as the driving force beyond Western narrative is allowing other countries more room for maneuver. It is increasingly obvious to anyone who bothers to study modern history that Israel is fundamentally a creation of the West built on Palestinian land that was imposed by the combination of US, UK, and Germany under the influence of Jewish pressure. The Global South including Russia and China are not burdened by such influences or historical baggage. If one reads the Reader’s comments section of NYT and WaPo, it is obvious that even English readers are dramatically changing. Perhaps there is hope for a free Palestinian State afterall.

Posted by: ConfuciusNow | Oct 27 2023 14:44 utc | 26

In 1990 I remember the pundits saying the entire Arab world would explode if the US took Kuwait back. It did not happen.
In 2001 I remember the same if the US invade Afghanistan. It did not happen.
In 2003 I remember the same if the US invade Iraq. It did not happen.
It’s very easy to talk apocalypse. The question is how many people want it.
Not very many, it always turns out.

Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 27 2023 14:49 utc | 27

In 1990 I remember the pundits saying the entire Arab world would explode if the US took Kuwait back. It did not happen.
In 2001 I remember the same if the US invade Afghanistan. It did not happen.
In 2003 I remember the same if the US invade Iraq. It did not happen.
It’s very easy to talk apocalypse. The question is how many people want it.
Not very many, it always turns out.

Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 27 2023 14:49 utc | 28

Eighthman. This is so true! People in this country seem to be less and less interested in anything. They vote for which ever party they have voted for in the past using the same lines they used before. If we don’t win the world will end under the other guy. Our local media no longer does much but sports. National media does what the MICMAT wants. And the people still think they are being told the truth.
even my peace group went south because you know Russia. China! BAD guys. No one had ever been to either country or new anything about either country. But it goes beyond that in some ways I think people see our government doesn’t really care if we protest, if we call, if we scream, because they do not work for us and haven’t from Reagan and Clinton who manage to completely give the ownership of the country to the MICMAT. The UNI PARTY

Posted by: Susan | Oct 27 2023 14:50 utc | 29

Eighthman. This is so true! People in this country seem to be less and less interested in anything. They vote for which ever party they have voted for in the past using the same lines they used before. If we don’t win the world will end under the other guy. Our local media no longer does much but sports. National media does what the MICMAT wants. And the people still think they are being told the truth.
even my peace group went south because you know Russia. China! BAD guys. No one had ever been to either country or new anything about either country. But it goes beyond that in some ways I think people see our government doesn’t really care if we protest, if we call, if we scream, because they do not work for us and haven’t from Reagan and Clinton who manage to completely give the ownership of the country to the MICMAT. The UNI PARTY

Posted by: Susan | Oct 27 2023 14:50 utc | 30

Here’s a Times of Israel article that might be of interest to some, detailing strange military activity by Hamas on the Gaza border, as reported by IDF soldiers stationed there, that seemingly didn’t heighten IDF alertness/alarm/or readiness: https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-warned-of-hamas-activity-on-gaza-border-for-months-before-oct-7/
Posted by: Ludo | Oct 27 2023 14:26 utc | 9
I’m starting to think the IDF wouldn’t show up even if they were sent an invitation…
“Dear IDF, you are hereby invited to a grand event on the gaza strip october 7th RSVP”

Posted by: newbie | Oct 27 2023 14:52 utc | 31

Here’s a Times of Israel article that might be of interest to some, detailing strange military activity by Hamas on the Gaza border, as reported by IDF soldiers stationed there, that seemingly didn’t heighten IDF alertness/alarm/or readiness: https://www.timesofisrael.com/surveillance-soldiers-warned-of-hamas-activity-on-gaza-border-for-months-before-oct-7/
Posted by: Ludo | Oct 27 2023 14:26 utc | 9
I’m starting to think the IDF wouldn’t show up even if they were sent an invitation…
“Dear IDF, you are hereby invited to a grand event on the gaza strip october 7th RSVP”

Posted by: newbie | Oct 27 2023 14:52 utc | 32

From RT:

Israel to pass law allowing state to kill its own citizens – media
Police officers will only require permission from their commander to shoot at protesters

I’m sure all of Europe is salivating to pass such laws.

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 27 2023 14:57 utc | 33

From RT:

Israel to pass law allowing state to kill its own citizens – media
Police officers will only require permission from their commander to shoot at protesters

I’m sure all of Europe is salivating to pass such laws.

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 27 2023 14:57 utc | 34

Posted by: snake | Oct 27 2023 14:14 utc | 5
Nice list for today.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 27 2023 14:59 utc | 35

Posted by: snake | Oct 27 2023 14:14 utc | 5
Nice list for today.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 27 2023 14:59 utc | 36

My impression is the US has bombed some militia in Syria for purely internal US politics, to show the Biden administration is acting forcefully and aggressively. There does not seem to be any thoughtful external politics involved. How the rest of the world reacts does not seem to matter.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 27 2023 15:01 utc | 37

My impression is the US has bombed some militia in Syria for purely internal US politics, to show the Biden administration is acting forcefully and aggressively. There does not seem to be any thoughtful external politics involved. How the rest of the world reacts does not seem to matter.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 27 2023 15:01 utc | 38

The ‘Mexican stand-off’ between all the military forces assembled in and around Israel could be set off by an unpredictable spark. Alistair Crooke correctly describes how a panicked White House has overreacted.
Threatening the survival of the hostages is a lynchpin in Israeli hands. The internal dynamics of Israel demand revenge and they need to be addressed by responsible leadership which is lacking. In the meantime there will be more surface destruction of Gaza from the air, remote bombardment and ‘daytrips’ by Israeli armor (at night).
There is still plenty of room for more sternly worded, angry letters. The only good outcome is a two-state solution. Genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza will dissolve all American influence built up for a long time in the Middle East.
Sullivan, that dimwit (great choice of words) might be grasping some of it. Blinken is an incredibly arrogant SOB and perhaps, only friends and family in the neocon world can make him see a better light. Here is to waiting, impatiently.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 27 2023 15:01 utc | 39

The ‘Mexican stand-off’ between all the military forces assembled in and around Israel could be set off by an unpredictable spark. Alistair Crooke correctly describes how a panicked White House has overreacted.
Threatening the survival of the hostages is a lynchpin in Israeli hands. The internal dynamics of Israel demand revenge and they need to be addressed by responsible leadership which is lacking. In the meantime there will be more surface destruction of Gaza from the air, remote bombardment and ‘daytrips’ by Israeli armor (at night).
There is still plenty of room for more sternly worded, angry letters. The only good outcome is a two-state solution. Genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza will dissolve all American influence built up for a long time in the Middle East.
Sullivan, that dimwit (great choice of words) might be grasping some of it. Blinken is an incredibly arrogant SOB and perhaps, only friends and family in the neocon world can make him see a better light. Here is to waiting, impatiently.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 27 2023 15:01 utc | 40

Three somwhat disconnected thoughts about this whole situation:
1. There is a general assumption that the Russian Mig31/Kinzhal patrols over the Black Sea were put in place as a counter to US carriers in the East Mediterranean. However, I see another potential role: pinning down Israel’s nukes. Kinzhal’s bunker penetrating abilities have already been demonstrated, and I don’t find it inconveivable that Russian intelligence a) knows where Israel keeps their nuclear weapons, b) knows the scenarios in which they would be used, and c) perhaps is even somehow able to listen-in on the decision-making. I haven’t seen this discussed anywhere (apologies if this has come up here at MoA, I haven’t been able to follow comments lately).
If I am right, and the Mig31/Kinzhal Black Sea patrol can/are indeed a counter to Israel’s nukes, what would be the implications?
2. US is clearly preparing for war. But there are also increasing signs of an impending economic collapse, some saying it may be just around the corner. Assuming these predictions are true, and looking at the binary option described by Mr. Crooke: how does this economic collapse – and its timing – figure into this choice?
3. At Naked Capitalism, there was some good discussion about why Israel has delayed its ground offensive against Gaza: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/10/israels-coming-attack-on-gaza-boundary-conditions-and-delay.html
To me, it looks like the attack on October 7th was an “Announced Checkmate”, and what we see now is the panic that sets in after the realization that defeat has become inevitable. Every move appears to have its counter already in place. Does anyone else here think this might be the case? If not, why not?

Posted by: Palm & Needle | Oct 27 2023 15:05 utc | 41

Three somwhat disconnected thoughts about this whole situation:
1. There is a general assumption that the Russian Mig31/Kinzhal patrols over the Black Sea were put in place as a counter to US carriers in the East Mediterranean. However, I see another potential role: pinning down Israel’s nukes. Kinzhal’s bunker penetrating abilities have already been demonstrated, and I don’t find it inconveivable that Russian intelligence a) knows where Israel keeps their nuclear weapons, b) knows the scenarios in which they would be used, and c) perhaps is even somehow able to listen-in on the decision-making. I haven’t seen this discussed anywhere (apologies if this has come up here at MoA, I haven’t been able to follow comments lately).
If I am right, and the Mig31/Kinzhal Black Sea patrol can/are indeed a counter to Israel’s nukes, what would be the implications?
2. US is clearly preparing for war. But there are also increasing signs of an impending economic collapse, some saying it may be just around the corner. Assuming these predictions are true, and looking at the binary option described by Mr. Crooke: how does this economic collapse – and its timing – figure into this choice?
3. At Naked Capitalism, there was some good discussion about why Israel has delayed its ground offensive against Gaza: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/10/israels-coming-attack-on-gaza-boundary-conditions-and-delay.html
To me, it looks like the attack on October 7th was an “Announced Checkmate”, and what we see now is the panic that sets in after the realization that defeat has become inevitable. Every move appears to have its counter already in place. Does anyone else here think this might be the case? If not, why not?

Posted by: Palm & Needle | Oct 27 2023 15:05 utc | 42

Since its illegal inception as a colonial state in 1948, the Zionist regime is comparatively a continuation of the fascist crimes that were committed by Nazi Germany against Jews – the difference being that the newer victims are the Palestinians.
Hence my new favorite term for the Zionists: Zionazis. It’s not a mere epithet, but rather a historically accurate characterization of the RC in Israel, once the target of the Nazis and now fully adopting the supremacist world view and barbaric methods of it’s former persecutors.
What makes this most recent manifestation of Nazi ideology so dangerous is that it has US imperialism and all western media cast it’s crimes as legitimate internationally.
Hitler would be jealous.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 27 2023 15:09 utc | 43

Since its illegal inception as a colonial state in 1948, the Zionist regime is comparatively a continuation of the fascist crimes that were committed by Nazi Germany against Jews – the difference being that the newer victims are the Palestinians.
Hence my new favorite term for the Zionists: Zionazis. It’s not a mere epithet, but rather a historically accurate characterization of the RC in Israel, once the target of the Nazis and now fully adopting the supremacist world view and barbaric methods of it’s former persecutors.
What makes this most recent manifestation of Nazi ideology so dangerous is that it has US imperialism and all western media cast it’s crimes as legitimate internationally.
Hitler would be jealous.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 27 2023 15:09 utc | 44

Jake Sullivan has been a Washington Democrat insider for a long time, as is seen in his remark in a leaked e-mail to Hillary Clinton in 2012 that “[Al Qaeda] AQ is on our side in Syria”.

Posted by: Brendan | Oct 27 2023 15:10 utc | 45

Jake Sullivan has been a Washington Democrat insider for a long time, as is seen in his remark in a leaked e-mail to Hillary Clinton in 2012 that “[Al Qaeda] AQ is on our side in Syria”.

Posted by: Brendan | Oct 27 2023 15:10 utc | 46

@3 & @14
You are both right, nothing will come of this, it will go on for as long as it will go on, probably until Benji can go back to his people and tell them he has killed 10-20 times as many of them as they killed Israelis. It is very clear that it is open season on Syria, we can all postulate on why that is but for whatever reason, it will be continuously bombed, and nothing will happen. We have to be honest, the US has been defacto fighting Russia for almost 2 years now and if you don’t think that the ‘war’ is at some level an exercise in ‘kabuki’, you’re not paying attention. We always hear that this will lead to WW3 or that will lead to WW3 or WW3 will happen in 10 years, or we’re going to run out of money and you can’t just keep printing money and the stock market is here or there, it’s all noise. I’ve been hearing it for over 50 years and the only constant is that the people at the top stay there and they get wealthier and wealthier and amass more and more power.
I don’t see Russia, China or Iran getting involved, Iran is literally the biggest ‘smack talker’ out there but it does very little and I don’t think Xi or Putin are going to do anything either, not unless they is directly attacked (which they wont be). The land is the prize in Ukraine and I wont be surprised if Big Agriculture are in there once the barrels have cooled, Putin will do nothing to stop it, some part of the Ukraine will be annexed to the west and the east will go to Russia. Will Putin have stopped the west’s expansion, not really, but he’ll have a military ‘victory’ to sell at home and an end to the conflict, everyone will buy into it because life goes on.
Their game is not to destroy the planet, and while I would say that the combination of stupid people and Nuclear weapons could get us to that point, most of them are far too cowardly to go down that road, they like their cars, houses, boats, women/men and the ability to look down at the ‘little people’, far beneath them. I have no doubt that they want to get rid of a large portion of the world’s population, they say that part out loud, but I don’t think it will be by means of a Nuclear war. It will be slower and ‘cleaner’, I’m sure I don’t have to go into any great detail.
This will go away, and probably quite soon, and then, guess what, something else will replace it, some other pigeon ‘end of the world’ calamity to perpetuate the endless divide and conquer.

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Oct 27 2023 15:11 utc | 47

@3 & @14
You are both right, nothing will come of this, it will go on for as long as it will go on, probably until Benji can go back to his people and tell them he has killed 10-20 times as many of them as they killed Israelis. It is very clear that it is open season on Syria, we can all postulate on why that is but for whatever reason, it will be continuously bombed, and nothing will happen. We have to be honest, the US has been defacto fighting Russia for almost 2 years now and if you don’t think that the ‘war’ is at some level an exercise in ‘kabuki’, you’re not paying attention. We always hear that this will lead to WW3 or that will lead to WW3 or WW3 will happen in 10 years, or we’re going to run out of money and you can’t just keep printing money and the stock market is here or there, it’s all noise. I’ve been hearing it for over 50 years and the only constant is that the people at the top stay there and they get wealthier and wealthier and amass more and more power.
I don’t see Russia, China or Iran getting involved, Iran is literally the biggest ‘smack talker’ out there but it does very little and I don’t think Xi or Putin are going to do anything either, not unless they is directly attacked (which they wont be). The land is the prize in Ukraine and I wont be surprised if Big Agriculture are in there once the barrels have cooled, Putin will do nothing to stop it, some part of the Ukraine will be annexed to the west and the east will go to Russia. Will Putin have stopped the west’s expansion, not really, but he’ll have a military ‘victory’ to sell at home and an end to the conflict, everyone will buy into it because life goes on.
Their game is not to destroy the planet, and while I would say that the combination of stupid people and Nuclear weapons could get us to that point, most of them are far too cowardly to go down that road, they like their cars, houses, boats, women/men and the ability to look down at the ‘little people’, far beneath them. I have no doubt that they want to get rid of a large portion of the world’s population, they say that part out loud, but I don’t think it will be by means of a Nuclear war. It will be slower and ‘cleaner’, I’m sure I don’t have to go into any great detail.
This will go away, and probably quite soon, and then, guess what, something else will replace it, some other pigeon ‘end of the world’ calamity to perpetuate the endless divide and conquer.

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Oct 27 2023 15:11 utc | 48

I have been waiting a lifetime for the civilization war we are watching blossom and never thought I would see such.
Those that think this is just building to another do-nothing or stalemate have not been paying attention.
To those that have been following the civilization war progress, here we are at the point where the God Of Mammon cult bully goes down w/o human extinction or not……it is way past time in some minds.
Is humanity going to continue to live in a top/bottom world controlled by those that own global private finance and everything else? The RoW is coming together to say, NO MORE!
Here is a toast to the evolution of our species beyond barbaric patriarchy!!!!
Blessing to you b for everything you have done for humanity these past years.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 27 2023 15:11 utc | 49

I have been waiting a lifetime for the civilization war we are watching blossom and never thought I would see such.
Those that think this is just building to another do-nothing or stalemate have not been paying attention.
To those that have been following the civilization war progress, here we are at the point where the God Of Mammon cult bully goes down w/o human extinction or not……it is way past time in some minds.
Is humanity going to continue to live in a top/bottom world controlled by those that own global private finance and everything else? The RoW is coming together to say, NO MORE!
Here is a toast to the evolution of our species beyond barbaric patriarchy!!!!
Blessing to you b for everything you have done for humanity these past years.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 27 2023 15:11 utc | 50

WJ: “Nothing will happen except the decimation of Gaza and possibly its reoccupation by Israel, the deterioration and possible destruction of hard-won Syrian stability, and the further long-term isolation of the US and Israel.
Iran will not engage unless directly attacked and even then might not engage fully. Russia will do nothing. Neither will China. Arab states are useless pawns whose populations can be mollified by statements and symbolic gestures. ”
Not so fast buddy. It is almost a certainty that once the IDF pursues their client, Hamas, there will be an (unfortunate, sure) avalanche of collateral damage in Gaza… amounting to an Israeli “Final Solution to the Palestinian Question”… that will force Hezbollah to unsheathe 100,000 missiles and rockets down on the Israelis. That, in turn will trigger US intervention (hence the carrier groups now in the Mediterranean)… which may very well drag in Turkey… while the US finally gets its War on Iran. That brings in Russia and China, the latter of which is very vulnerable to food and fuel deliveries through Hormuz and the Suez Canal.

Posted by: posa | Oct 27 2023 15:11 utc | 51

WJ: “Nothing will happen except the decimation of Gaza and possibly its reoccupation by Israel, the deterioration and possible destruction of hard-won Syrian stability, and the further long-term isolation of the US and Israel.
Iran will not engage unless directly attacked and even then might not engage fully. Russia will do nothing. Neither will China. Arab states are useless pawns whose populations can be mollified by statements and symbolic gestures. ”
Not so fast buddy. It is almost a certainty that once the IDF pursues their client, Hamas, there will be an (unfortunate, sure) avalanche of collateral damage in Gaza… amounting to an Israeli “Final Solution to the Palestinian Question”… that will force Hezbollah to unsheathe 100,000 missiles and rockets down on the Israelis. That, in turn will trigger US intervention (hence the carrier groups now in the Mediterranean)… which may very well drag in Turkey… while the US finally gets its War on Iran. That brings in Russia and China, the latter of which is very vulnerable to food and fuel deliveries through Hormuz and the Suez Canal.

Posted by: posa | Oct 27 2023 15:11 utc | 52

Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 27 2023 14:57 utc | 17
Israel, by no way has a low birth rate, it’s much higher of that of western countries.
It’lower than that of the Palestinians.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 27 2023 15:13 utc | 53

Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 27 2023 14:57 utc | 17
Israel, by no way has a low birth rate, it’s much higher of that of western countries.
It’lower than that of the Palestinians.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 27 2023 15:13 utc | 54

Sullivan, that dimwit (great choice of words) might be grasping some of it. Blinken is an incredibly arrogant SOB and perhaps, only friends and family in the neocon world can make him see a better light. Here is to waiting, impatiently.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 27 2023 15:01 utc | 21
Honestly I think Blinken and Sullivan are just toadies of Nuland and Kagan. They’ll have a change of heart when Nuland and Kagan do, which is never.
The whole lot needs to be stripped of power, by whatever means necessary, to avert WW3.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 27 2023 15:16 utc | 55

Sullivan, that dimwit (great choice of words) might be grasping some of it. Blinken is an incredibly arrogant SOB and perhaps, only friends and family in the neocon world can make him see a better light. Here is to waiting, impatiently.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 27 2023 15:01 utc | 21
Honestly I think Blinken and Sullivan are just toadies of Nuland and Kagan. They’ll have a change of heart when Nuland and Kagan do, which is never.
The whole lot needs to be stripped of power, by whatever means necessary, to avert WW3.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 27 2023 15:16 utc | 56

Posted by: WJ | Oct 27 2023 14:03 utc | 3
Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 27 2023 14:49 utc | 14
Perhaps you are correct. That said, the world is a different place now, even compared to just 20 years ago. Crooke’s belief that it is not possible to return to the status quo ante this time seems to hold water to me. What will replace that remains to be seen. I think much of the world, in particular the states the West has consistently antagonized, sense weakness. There may be no better time to strike a blow, keeping in mind all the horrific potential consequences that would attend such action.

Posted by: KMRIA | Oct 27 2023 15:16 utc | 57

Posted by: WJ | Oct 27 2023 14:03 utc | 3
Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 27 2023 14:49 utc | 14
Perhaps you are correct. That said, the world is a different place now, even compared to just 20 years ago. Crooke’s belief that it is not possible to return to the status quo ante this time seems to hold water to me. What will replace that remains to be seen. I think much of the world, in particular the states the West has consistently antagonized, sense weakness. There may be no better time to strike a blow, keeping in mind all the horrific potential consequences that would attend such action.

Posted by: KMRIA | Oct 27 2023 15:16 utc | 58

Nobody wants to set off the trip wire unleashing the resentful wrath of the dying empire.
Posted by: WJ | Oct 27 2023 14:03 utc | 3
So they’re not dying at all then. The real reason is that everyone knows their place, from Russia to China. They will gladly accept anything as they did before and still do today. Don’t forget Kiev is much safer than Moscow, that is all you need to know about who is “dying”

Posted by: rk | Oct 27 2023 15:17 utc | 59

Nobody wants to set off the trip wire unleashing the resentful wrath of the dying empire.
Posted by: WJ | Oct 27 2023 14:03 utc | 3
So they’re not dying at all then. The real reason is that everyone knows their place, from Russia to China. They will gladly accept anything as they did before and still do today. Don’t forget Kiev is much safer than Moscow, that is all you need to know about who is “dying”

Posted by: rk | Oct 27 2023 15:17 utc | 60

Susan@15….there was a time when populations were controlled, molded by print (post Town Cryer). Only the ‘smartest’ could access it. It morphed to moving pictures with sound, one, or millions of one’s could sit idly, for hours, tuned out, and numb. On a sadder note, people are now controlled by small, hand held devices. One, ‘xcuse the off colour banter’ can now, tune in, and dumb down (in the most literal sense) while one swipes ones ass in the Privy Lou. Adds new dimension to, from the cradle to the grave……
Cheers M
As an example of moulding, the Harper PCs in Canada would run political adds and play Oh! Canada as the background music. Now credit were credit is due, it wasn’t in the populaces face, but subliminal, flute version, orchestral versions, but the message was clear. For as long as I’ve been here 50yrs, no party has done that. In house Beavers can correct if they so wish. But difinetly subliminal manipulation of the population. Turned my stomach. But not to be out done the sitting Libs are doing the same thing.
On a ‘patriotic’ note, no National Anthem should be affiliated with any policical party. Okay, in dictatorships like Canada, they do, and if short some cash, they’ll even freeze the bank accounts of old women, pregnant mothers, and cripples in wheel chairs…..and sonit goes.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 27 2023 15:18 utc | 61

Susan@15….there was a time when populations were controlled, molded by print (post Town Cryer). Only the ‘smartest’ could access it. It morphed to moving pictures with sound, one, or millions of one’s could sit idly, for hours, tuned out, and numb. On a sadder note, people are now controlled by small, hand held devices. One, ‘xcuse the off colour banter’ can now, tune in, and dumb down (in the most literal sense) while one swipes ones ass in the Privy Lou. Adds new dimension to, from the cradle to the grave……
Cheers M
As an example of moulding, the Harper PCs in Canada would run political adds and play Oh! Canada as the background music. Now credit were credit is due, it wasn’t in the populaces face, but subliminal, flute version, orchestral versions, but the message was clear. For as long as I’ve been here 50yrs, no party has done that. In house Beavers can correct if they so wish. But difinetly subliminal manipulation of the population. Turned my stomach. But not to be out done the sitting Libs are doing the same thing.
On a ‘patriotic’ note, no National Anthem should be affiliated with any policical party. Okay, in dictatorships like Canada, they do, and if short some cash, they’ll even freeze the bank accounts of old women, pregnant mothers, and cripples in wheel chairs…..and sonit goes.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 27 2023 15:18 utc | 62

osted by: Moses22 | Oct 27 2023 14:42 utc | 12
This ‘social contract’ of safety however just collapsed. The Kibbutzim in the Gaza envelope are evacuated; twenty kibbuz have been evacuated from the north, and a total of 43 border towns have been evacuated.‘

Possibly indicating areas Israel will be ceding in future negotiations. And there will be negotiations.
So many ME States joining BRICS+ has made the old ways of operating unworkable since they can no longer split the region into endless factions against each other.
This whole business, I suspect, is just a way for them to get the best deal possible. Using violence as leverage. It’s how they think, what they do. Materialists are suckers for physical force.
But it’s still rearguard action. Most of the US military presence may well be to protect their bases. Because there is a good chance they won’t be able to keep them in the region soon. Why should they? What are they for? Once the region comes together, one of the first items on the agenda should be to ask the Yankees to go home. Pronto!
The tide has turned.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 27 2023 15:20 utc | 63

osted by: Moses22 | Oct 27 2023 14:42 utc | 12
This ‘social contract’ of safety however just collapsed. The Kibbutzim in the Gaza envelope are evacuated; twenty kibbuz have been evacuated from the north, and a total of 43 border towns have been evacuated.‘

Possibly indicating areas Israel will be ceding in future negotiations. And there will be negotiations.
So many ME States joining BRICS+ has made the old ways of operating unworkable since they can no longer split the region into endless factions against each other.
This whole business, I suspect, is just a way for them to get the best deal possible. Using violence as leverage. It’s how they think, what they do. Materialists are suckers for physical force.
But it’s still rearguard action. Most of the US military presence may well be to protect their bases. Because there is a good chance they won’t be able to keep them in the region soon. Why should they? What are they for? Once the region comes together, one of the first items on the agenda should be to ask the Yankees to go home. Pronto!
The tide has turned.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 27 2023 15:20 utc | 64

Posted by: rk | Oct 27 2023 15:17 utc | 30
About Kiev much safer than Moscow you have got my really loud laugh. 🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: Mario | Oct 27 2023 15:23 utc | 65

Posted by: rk | Oct 27 2023 15:17 utc | 30
About Kiev much safer than Moscow you have got my really loud laugh. 🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: Mario | Oct 27 2023 15:23 utc | 66

Al Ahli Arab Hospital bombing investigations
I want to thank Diagonal for creating a page on the bombing of the al Ahli Arab Baptist Hospital in Gaza on our ACLOS research wiki, and for writing his own blog on the topic. (From the previous thread:)

I have now found some concrete supporting evidence for my theory that an Israeli Air Force Boeing GBU39 (FLM) smart glide bomb hit Al Ahli hospital. (Focused Lethality Munition)
Video from the early morning after shows two pieces of debris beside the crater that would match wing parts of the GBU39
https://nevergonnabelievethis.net/2023/10/24/what-hit-al-ahli-hospital-in-gaza/
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Al_Ahli_Hospital_Bombing
Posted by: Diagonal | Oct 26 2023 20:19 utc | 170

I commented on the topic yesterday, before noticing his work.
Also note the new video by Michael Kobs, partly based on findings by me and Adam Larson.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 27 2023 15:24 utc | 67

Al Ahli Arab Hospital bombing investigations
I want to thank Diagonal for creating a page on the bombing of the al Ahli Arab Baptist Hospital in Gaza on our ACLOS research wiki, and for writing his own blog on the topic. (From the previous thread:)

I have now found some concrete supporting evidence for my theory that an Israeli Air Force Boeing GBU39 (FLM) smart glide bomb hit Al Ahli hospital. (Focused Lethality Munition)
Video from the early morning after shows two pieces of debris beside the crater that would match wing parts of the GBU39
https://nevergonnabelievethis.net/2023/10/24/what-hit-al-ahli-hospital-in-gaza/
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Al_Ahli_Hospital_Bombing
Posted by: Diagonal | Oct 26 2023 20:19 utc | 170

I commented on the topic yesterday, before noticing his work.
Also note the new video by Michael Kobs, partly based on findings by me and Adam Larson.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 27 2023 15:24 utc | 68

Please, titles must be in proper order when describing a public figure.
Sullivan is dimwit (but aren’t they all, starting with the Chief; a fish rots from head down) and Ntl Security Advisor.
As for Thomas Friedman and his book From Beirut To Jerusalem, about his rites of passage through the Middle East, there is another similar title by Dr Ang Swee Chai, founder of British based Medical Aid for Palestine. The volunteer doctor had an epiphany during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the Shatila Sabra massacres 1982 that shed light the vile nature of the Zionist entity. Similarly the scales are falling from the eyes of the world with the fresh horrors and looming genocide in Gaza.

Posted by: LittleWhiteCabbage | Oct 27 2023 15:25 utc | 69

Please, titles must be in proper order when describing a public figure.
Sullivan is dimwit (but aren’t they all, starting with the Chief; a fish rots from head down) and Ntl Security Advisor.
As for Thomas Friedman and his book From Beirut To Jerusalem, about his rites of passage through the Middle East, there is another similar title by Dr Ang Swee Chai, founder of British based Medical Aid for Palestine. The volunteer doctor had an epiphany during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the Shatila Sabra massacres 1982 that shed light the vile nature of the Zionist entity. Similarly the scales are falling from the eyes of the world with the fresh horrors and looming genocide in Gaza.

Posted by: LittleWhiteCabbage | Oct 27 2023 15:25 utc | 70

From the point of view of Israeli domestic politics, Netanyahu’s actions have not only blown up Israel’s vaunted myth of invincibility, which stoked weapons sales to other countries seeking similar powers, but has also figuratively blown up pipeline deals for energy transport as well. Even before the Gaza incident, anticipating acceleration of Israel-Palestine conflict, Chevron (who purchased Noble Energy, one of three partners in the Leviathon project, the others being Delek, Ratio – private companies owned by Israelis) closed the controversial Israel-Egypt pipeline, rerouting to the Jordanian/Egypt FAJR pipline. The Turkey, Saudi, Israel pipeline is dead in the water. Finally, if and when, Netanyahu gains control of the part of the Leviathan field currently owned by Palestine, it may well be a Pryrric victory: The world is swimming in oil- BRICS+/GCC/ASEAN, now politically fused against Israel may strongly consider sanctioning Israeli energy while geopolitics would suggest that Israeli pipelines are simply too risky owing to being targets for any and all parties enraged at the Gaza genocide. Actions provoke reactions and Iran, China and Russia play very, very effective long games. US appears incapable…

Posted by: abierno | Oct 27 2023 15:27 utc | 71

From the point of view of Israeli domestic politics, Netanyahu’s actions have not only blown up Israel’s vaunted myth of invincibility, which stoked weapons sales to other countries seeking similar powers, but has also figuratively blown up pipeline deals for energy transport as well. Even before the Gaza incident, anticipating acceleration of Israel-Palestine conflict, Chevron (who purchased Noble Energy, one of three partners in the Leviathon project, the others being Delek, Ratio – private companies owned by Israelis) closed the controversial Israel-Egypt pipeline, rerouting to the Jordanian/Egypt FAJR pipline. The Turkey, Saudi, Israel pipeline is dead in the water. Finally, if and when, Netanyahu gains control of the part of the Leviathan field currently owned by Palestine, it may well be a Pryrric victory: The world is swimming in oil- BRICS+/GCC/ASEAN, now politically fused against Israel may strongly consider sanctioning Israeli energy while geopolitics would suggest that Israeli pipelines are simply too risky owing to being targets for any and all parties enraged at the Gaza genocide. Actions provoke reactions and Iran, China and Russia play very, very effective long games. US appears incapable…

Posted by: abierno | Oct 27 2023 15:27 utc | 72

MichaelA 17
“Israeli citizens of Arab origin could block army convoys in case of a military escalation with the Palestinians or with Lebanese armed group Hezbollah”
They are not israelis who might demonstrate.

Posted by: KingCobra | Oct 27 2023 15:28 utc | 73

MichaelA 17
“Israeli citizens of Arab origin could block army convoys in case of a military escalation with the Palestinians or with Lebanese armed group Hezbollah”
They are not israelis who might demonstrate.

Posted by: KingCobra | Oct 27 2023 15:28 utc | 74

Note: both Hamas and Hezbollah are sending out raiding parties often. The IDF has lost nearly 10% of its MBT strength in the last 20 days.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 27 2023 15:28 utc | 75

Note: both Hamas and Hezbollah are sending out raiding parties often. The IDF has lost nearly 10% of its MBT strength in the last 20 days.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 27 2023 15:28 utc | 76

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 27 2023 14:26 utc | 8
Not picking on the original poster.
“Beaten by goatherders” seems to be the new in crowd hip phrase these days.
May I point out that these so called “goatherders” of Afghanistan managed to beat the British Empire twice, booting their asses out for good, and fought the Russians and Americans, resulting in their departures, one ignominiously.
There is a reason why Afghanistan is called the Graveyard of Empires. Hegemons would do well to learn the phrase.

Posted by: morongobill | Oct 27 2023 15:29 utc | 77

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 27 2023 14:26 utc | 8
Not picking on the original poster.
“Beaten by goatherders” seems to be the new in crowd hip phrase these days.
May I point out that these so called “goatherders” of Afghanistan managed to beat the British Empire twice, booting their asses out for good, and fought the Russians and Americans, resulting in their departures, one ignominiously.
There is a reason why Afghanistan is called the Graveyard of Empires. Hegemons would do well to learn the phrase.

Posted by: morongobill | Oct 27 2023 15:29 utc | 78

reply to 27
It’s true, Israel has a remarkable birthrate. However, this could doom it. It’s the ultra Orthodox making the babies and generally they don’t want to be soldiers or even gainfully employed. They want to study Torah all day and let someone else pay the bills. They are a demographic disaster in the making. They don’t like real education either. Their fanaticism may drive more secular Israelis out of the country.
Long term, “Israel” may lose or cease to exist because of who makes the babies. This situation has been going on for decades with no clear solution.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 27 2023 15:30 utc | 79

reply to 27
It’s true, Israel has a remarkable birthrate. However, this could doom it. It’s the ultra Orthodox making the babies and generally they don’t want to be soldiers or even gainfully employed. They want to study Torah all day and let someone else pay the bills. They are a demographic disaster in the making. They don’t like real education either. Their fanaticism may drive more secular Israelis out of the country.
Long term, “Israel” may lose or cease to exist because of who makes the babies. This situation has been going on for decades with no clear solution.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 27 2023 15:30 utc | 80

Again, the complement to Crooke’s essay is his talk with Napolitano where much is repeated, but more is added.
Palm & Needle | Oct 27 2023 15:05 utc | 22–
Very curious list: #1 is quite possible; #2 is a certainty as was detailed immediately after 7 October in an article at The Cradle that I further commented upon. The Zionist economy is very fragile which is why it’s combatted the efforts to boycott its products so fiercely while enlisting the aid of its EU and Outlaw US Empire allies to help in that effort; thus, informing us of its potential effectiveness.
The demographic issue is also very important as noted by pyrrhus | Oct 27 2023 14:57 utc | 17. I liken it to what’s happened to the Aral Sea which is slowly evaporating into nothing. That’s also why the Zionists can’t afford to lose too many of its too few young people in a war of attrition, which is what an invasion of Gaza will become and is clearly part of Hamas’s strategy. I don’t have any figures to cite, but since 7 October an exodus is occurring as those who can leave are doing so, and with that is capital flight. Also, the conflict will deter the importation of the “guest workers” Occupied Palestine must have to keep its economy afloat. So, it’s not just Gaza that’s under siege, and the longer the conflict continues, the worse it will be economically for all, not just Palestinians.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 27 2023 15:31 utc | 81

Again, the complement to Crooke’s essay is his talk with Napolitano where much is repeated, but more is added.
Palm & Needle | Oct 27 2023 15:05 utc | 22–
Very curious list: #1 is quite possible; #2 is a certainty as was detailed immediately after 7 October in an article at The Cradle that I further commented upon. The Zionist economy is very fragile which is why it’s combatted the efforts to boycott its products so fiercely while enlisting the aid of its EU and Outlaw US Empire allies to help in that effort; thus, informing us of its potential effectiveness.
The demographic issue is also very important as noted by pyrrhus | Oct 27 2023 14:57 utc | 17. I liken it to what’s happened to the Aral Sea which is slowly evaporating into nothing. That’s also why the Zionists can’t afford to lose too many of its too few young people in a war of attrition, which is what an invasion of Gaza will become and is clearly part of Hamas’s strategy. I don’t have any figures to cite, but since 7 October an exodus is occurring as those who can leave are doing so, and with that is capital flight. Also, the conflict will deter the importation of the “guest workers” Occupied Palestine must have to keep its economy afloat. So, it’s not just Gaza that’s under siege, and the longer the conflict continues, the worse it will be economically for all, not just Palestinians.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 27 2023 15:31 utc | 82

William Schryver thinks this is the build up to US war with Iran:
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/aces-and-eights
I hope that he’s wrong, but it is exactly the kind of stupid plan that I expect from the neocons.

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 27 2023 15:33 utc | 83

William Schryver thinks this is the build up to US war with Iran:
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/aces-and-eights
I hope that he’s wrong, but it is exactly the kind of stupid plan that I expect from the neocons.

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 27 2023 15:33 utc | 84

Follow up, if the US does go to war with Iran then all western attention will be diverted and Gaza will be back page news. It will give Netanyahu a free hand to do anything he wants in Gaza while the western media are focused on the war with Iran.

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 27 2023 15:36 utc | 85

Follow up, if the US does go to war with Iran then all western attention will be diverted and Gaza will be back page news. It will give Netanyahu a free hand to do anything he wants in Gaza while the western media are focused on the war with Iran.

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 27 2023 15:36 utc | 86

Here is a link to a new Will Shryver post on the buildup in the eastern Mediterranean. He is quite concerned and thinks that there is a chance that the US might try to take out the Russian bases in Syria.
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/aces-and-eights
Money quote:
“Therefore I am increasingly persuaded that any massive US attack against Iranian surrogate forces in Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq will almost certainly include a simultaneous attack against the Russian air and naval bases in Syria.”

Posted by: morongobill | Oct 27 2023 15:37 utc | 87

Here is a link to a new Will Shryver post on the buildup in the eastern Mediterranean. He is quite concerned and thinks that there is a chance that the US might try to take out the Russian bases in Syria.
https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/aces-and-eights
Money quote:
“Therefore I am increasingly persuaded that any massive US attack against Iranian surrogate forces in Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq will almost certainly include a simultaneous attack against the Russian air and naval bases in Syria.”

Posted by: morongobill | Oct 27 2023 15:37 utc | 88

The truly terrifying thing about the Biden administration is that the manifestly mentally non-competent (at times) President of the United States is excellent cover for the even more manifestly non-competent advisers around him.
I use non-competent because incompetent is an insufficient word for these morons.
An incompetent is unable to discharge fiduciary duty; a non-competent is not only unable to discharge, but charges to the literal worst outcome.
And so 4 aircraft carriers are heading for the Middle East in a transparent “stealth” mobilization by a US administration which has already demonstrated, repeatedly, that it is agreement incapable, that it lies incessantly, that has zero interest in anything that isn’t 100% aligned with said regime’s ludicrous views and which is literally capable of anything.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 27 2023 15:39 utc | 89

The truly terrifying thing about the Biden administration is that the manifestly mentally non-competent (at times) President of the United States is excellent cover for the even more manifestly non-competent advisers around him.
I use non-competent because incompetent is an insufficient word for these morons.
An incompetent is unable to discharge fiduciary duty; a non-competent is not only unable to discharge, but charges to the literal worst outcome.
And so 4 aircraft carriers are heading for the Middle East in a transparent “stealth” mobilization by a US administration which has already demonstrated, repeatedly, that it is agreement incapable, that it lies incessantly, that has zero interest in anything that isn’t 100% aligned with said regime’s ludicrous views and which is literally capable of anything.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 27 2023 15:39 utc | 90

How short, and also how long, Israel’s warfighting plan will take depends on American and international acceptance, not only of the genocide intended for the Palestinians of Gaza, but of the Novichok-type chemical warfare planned by the IDF and the Pentagon for the Hamas tunnel system in Gaza City. After several years in which the US and UK have fabricated claims that Syria and Russia were using prohibited gas warfare weapons, the Israelis have reportedly persuaded the US to participate in the tunnel attac
https://johnhelmer.net/the-gods-are-going-against-the-chosen-people-mammon-against-israel-mars-against-the-pentagon/#more-88742

Posted by: ld | Oct 27 2023 15:41 utc | 91

How short, and also how long, Israel’s warfighting plan will take depends on American and international acceptance, not only of the genocide intended for the Palestinians of Gaza, but of the Novichok-type chemical warfare planned by the IDF and the Pentagon for the Hamas tunnel system in Gaza City. After several years in which the US and UK have fabricated claims that Syria and Russia were using prohibited gas warfare weapons, the Israelis have reportedly persuaded the US to participate in the tunnel attac
https://johnhelmer.net/the-gods-are-going-against-the-chosen-people-mammon-against-israel-mars-against-the-pentagon/#more-88742

Posted by: ld | Oct 27 2023 15:41 utc | 92

On Occupied Palestine demographics, this page is very educational. Of course, its projections don’t include war and exodus. Do note the rising median age. I also wonder if that page includes all those residing within Occupied Palestine since the Palestinian birth rate is much higher, almost double, that of the Zionist.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 27 2023 15:46 utc | 93

On Occupied Palestine demographics, this page is very educational. Of course, its projections don’t include war and exodus. Do note the rising median age. I also wonder if that page includes all those residing within Occupied Palestine since the Palestinian birth rate is much higher, almost double, that of the Zionist.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 27 2023 15:46 utc | 94

Where did my post go?
Did I hit Preview and then neglected to hit Post?
Do I try again?

Posted by: librul | Oct 27 2023 15:47 utc | 95

Where did my post go?
Did I hit Preview and then neglected to hit Post?
Do I try again?

Posted by: librul | Oct 27 2023 15:47 utc | 96

For years, decades, american foreign policy was designed precise to prevent a coming together of it’s two principal rivals: China and Russia. As you all have seen, incompetentence at the US dept of State has not only not prevented this, but has driven it both countries into each others arms – literally. Stupid america now faces a single unified foe in China and Russia. Likewise, the Shia and Sunni Islamic sects, once bitter foes, now have also come together to oppose the genocide that israel – copiously assisted by the US, is conducting in Palestine. Two serious foreign policy boo boos that will have serious adverse affects for the ‘indespensible’ US. america simply cannot help itself when it comes to making enemies … world wide. Not only is the present american geriatric administration of Joe Biden entirely incompetent, it is supremely dangerous. Not by intentional act, but rather by stupid, not-thought-out policies.

Posted by: rgl | Oct 27 2023 15:50 utc | 97

For years, decades, american foreign policy was designed precise to prevent a coming together of it’s two principal rivals: China and Russia. As you all have seen, incompetentence at the US dept of State has not only not prevented this, but has driven it both countries into each others arms – literally. Stupid america now faces a single unified foe in China and Russia. Likewise, the Shia and Sunni Islamic sects, once bitter foes, now have also come together to oppose the genocide that israel – copiously assisted by the US, is conducting in Palestine. Two serious foreign policy boo boos that will have serious adverse affects for the ‘indespensible’ US. america simply cannot help itself when it comes to making enemies … world wide. Not only is the present american geriatric administration of Joe Biden entirely incompetent, it is supremely dangerous. Not by intentional act, but rather by stupid, not-thought-out policies.

Posted by: rgl | Oct 27 2023 15:50 utc | 98

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 27 2023 14:57 utc | 17
Note it says protesters, meaning Palestinians, not own citizens (Israeliani Jews).

Posted by: Mario | Oct 27 2023 15:51 utc | 99

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 27 2023 14:57 utc | 17
Note it says protesters, meaning Palestinians, not own citizens (Israeliani Jews).

Posted by: Mario | Oct 27 2023 15:51 utc | 100