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October 31, 2023
The War Is Lost – Zelenski Will Leave – The White House Has Failed

What a difference a year makes …


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Time's big new story is quite revealing:

‘Nobody Believes in Our Victory Like I Do.’ Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the FightTime – Oct. 30, 2023

That offensive has proceeded at an excruciating pace and with enormous losses, making it ever more difficult for Zelensky to convince partners that victory is around the corner. With the outbreak of war in Israel, even keeping the world’s attention on Ukraine has become a major challenge.

 Quoting a soldier on the front of the counter-offensive, the Economist agrees:

"Left Handed", an infantryman fighting at the front between Robotyne and Verbove, says Ukrainian losses have increased to alarming levels, in part due to the work of drones. The plains of Zaporizhia have turned their back on life, he says. “It’s hellish. Corpses, the smell of corpses, death, blood and fear. Not a whiff of life, just the stench of death.” Those in units such as his own had more chance of dying than surviving. “Seventy-thirty. Some don’t even see their first battle.”

Still, Zelenski is urging them on:

But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace.

On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”

Zelensky’s stubbornness, some of his aides say, has hurt their team’s efforts to come up with a new strategy, a new message. As they have debated the future of the war, one issue has remained taboo: the possibility of negotiating a peace deal with the Russians. Judging by recent surveys, most Ukrainians would reject such a move, especially if it entailed the loss of any occupied territory.

The war is lost. They know it. But they are unwilling to give up.

Zelenski's people put the blame everywhere but on the those who have caused the mess. It was the 'victory' messaging by Zelenski and his crew that has led the public into utter complacency.

As Strana headlines (machine translation):

Ukraine is losing the war with the Russian Federation due to the inadequate perception of the situation by society — commander of the Armed Forces of UkraineStrana.news – Oct. 30, 2023

Strategically, Ukraine is losing the war because of the inadequate perception of the situation by society.

This opinion was expressed by the commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Dmitry Kukharchuk in an interview with Channel Five.

He claims that at the beginning of the war, all Ukrainians were ready to defend the country, there were many volunteers. But after the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kiev, the situation changed.

"Immediately after that, I noticed that there were theses in the media that we are fighting with homeless people, that the Russian army does not know how to fight, that in principle victory will be in a week or two, a maximum of a month. That first in the spring, then in the summer, then in the autumn, then in the winter, without specifying which winter, we will go to the Crimea. That the victory is basically victorious. So people were put in a warm bathroom. We have broken down the vision of reality. But it didn't happen in Russia. They began to realize that the war was not going to be easy for them. They realized that they would have to fight for a long time, " Kukharchuk believes.

He also says that the Russians are "getting stronger" every day, and if Ukraine really fought the "degenerates", it would have defeated them long ago.

"That's why we're losing. They have these processes going on, and their public readiness is much higher than that of our society. And when they talk about a nuclear bomb, a war of all against all, for some reason it seems to me that they are ready for these processes, " the battalion commander added.

Napoleon, Hitler and several other folks who had sought war with Russia, had to learn to never underestimate the depth of its resources. Now NATO, the U.S. and its European proxies, are learning that lesson.

Zelenski still hasn't. He won't concede:

The cold will also make military advances more difficult, locking down the front lines at least until the spring. But Zelensky has refused to accept that. “Freezing the war, to me, means losing it,” he says. Before the winter sets in, his aides warned me to expect major changes in their military strategy and a major shake-up in the President’s team. At least one minister would need to be fired, along with a senior general in charge of the counteroffensive, they said, to ensure accountability for Ukraine’s slow progress at the front. “We’re not moving forward,” says one of Zelensky’s close aides. Some front-line commanders, he continues, have begun refusing orders to advance, even when they came directly from the office of the President. “They just want to sit in the trenches and hold the line,” he says. “But we can’t win a war that way.”

When I raised these claims with a senior military officer, he said that some commanders have little choice in second-guessing orders from the top. At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to “retake” the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? “They don’t have the men or the weapons,” says the officer. “Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?”

In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.”

Since the start of the invasion, Ukraine has refused to release official counts of dead and wounded. But according to U.S. and European estimates, the toll has long surpassed 100,000 on each side of the war. It has eroded the ranks of Ukraine’s armed forces so badly that draft offices have been forced to call up ever older personnel, raising the average age of a soldier in Ukraine to around 43 years. “They’re grown men now, and they aren’t that healthy to begin with,” says the close aide to Zelensky. “This is Ukraine. Not Scandinavia.”

The Ukraine's old problems, foremost corruption, persist:

Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely. “Simon, you’re mistaken,” he says. “People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow.”

Knowing that the ship is sinking, this its probably what I would do too. Bring anything available onto my personal life raft and prepare for cutting its lines to the mother ship.

The Time piece is a signal. It announces the end of Zelenski's regime. I am sure that the National Security Council, as well as the State Department, is feverishly looking for an alternative – and for a face saving way to install it.

Someone seems to protect and promote Alexey Arestovich for exactly that purpose (machine translation):

After leaving the Presidential Office with a scandal in January 2023, Arestovich, although he began to criticize the actions of the authorities, nevertheless did it carefully until recently.

But right now, he's just slamming the ruling team.

Arestovich focuses on two things: the military decisions of the country's leadership and its domestic policy.

The second version: Arestovich enlisted the support of Americans who want to see more political diversity in Ukraine and are not interested in Zelensky's monopolization of power.

In favor of this version, they also use the fact mentioned above that the tightening of the rhetoric of the ex-adviser to the president's Office began after his trip to the United States. Also in this regard, they recall his interview with Gordon in early October, where he says that if the West decides to end the war without reaching the borders of 1991 and Zelensky resists this, then the president of Ukraine will be "changed" in the elections.

"It is possible that Arestovich is supported by a certain part of the Western elites, who care about the breadth of opinions in Ukraine. They say that the country can speak not only with Zelensky's voice, but there are also different critical opinions, " political analyst Ruslan Bortnik comments to Strana.

In its grand strategy the White House had sought to pivot to Asia. But the U.S. is – first in Ukraine, in a completely unnecessary conflict the U.S. itself has caused, and, with Gaza in flames, again in the Middle East.

In a recent talk in Australia John Mearsheimer takes a deep dive into this dilemma (video). He doesn't foresee a good outcome.

Comments

The Ukro loses doesnt matter as their sociery accepts them. The Ukro society is based on hate afainst Russia. So they can fight very long.

Posted by: zorge | Oct 31 2023 8:19 utc | 1

The Ukro loses doesnt matter as their sociery accepts them. The Ukro society is based on hate afainst Russia. So they can fight very long.

Posted by: zorge | Oct 31 2023 8:19 utc | 2

Russia must increase attrition attacks on UkraiNazistan. This is a very rare opportunity and it must be seized. The danger is NATO will repeatedly use Ukrainazistan to fight their wars. Make it impossible.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 31 2023 8:22 utc | 3

Russia must increase attrition attacks on UkraiNazistan. This is a very rare opportunity and it must be seized. The danger is NATO will repeatedly use Ukrainazistan to fight their wars. Make it impossible.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 31 2023 8:22 utc | 4

Here’s a thought. Ukraine has made negotiation with Putin illegal and the West has told everyone for decades that Putin is the devil incarnate, so negotiation with him is impossible.
But of course, if Putin has died, there is no reason not to negotiate with his “body double”…
Is that a sufficiently lunatic idea to be a possible white House strategy?
Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 7:35 utc | 150

Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 8:33 utc | 5

Here’s a thought. Ukraine has made negotiation with Putin illegal and the West has told everyone for decades that Putin is the devil incarnate, so negotiation with him is impossible.
But of course, if Putin has died, there is no reason not to negotiate with his “body double”…
Is that a sufficiently lunatic idea to be a possible white House strategy?
Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 7:35 utc | 150

Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 8:33 utc | 6

Arestovich is pure evil, Zelensky is just playing a role like in one of his films.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Oct 31 2023 8:40 utc | 7

Arestovich is pure evil, Zelensky is just playing a role like in one of his films.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Oct 31 2023 8:40 utc | 8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem#Coup_and_assassination
Oi! Zelensky!! Don’t get in the back of the van!

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 31 2023 8:42 utc | 9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem#Coup_and_assassination
Oi! Zelensky!! Don’t get in the back of the van!

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 31 2023 8:42 utc | 10

Former TIMES men/persons of the year: Hitler, Putin. In fact, I said a few months ago Zelenskyi would be next. Here we go. Fulfilled prophecy.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 8:46 utc | 11

Former TIMES men/persons of the year: Hitler, Putin. In fact, I said a few months ago Zelenskyi would be next. Here we go. Fulfilled prophecy.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 8:46 utc | 12

I agree with Elensky. Victory is just around the corner and soon the orcs will break after suffering a million dead!
The sooner Elensky can get his 500,000 nubile Ukie girls charging forward in their bikinis the sooner the orcs will surrender enmass!
The darkest hour is just before dawn.
Once more into the breech!

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 31 2023 8:50 utc | 13

I agree with Elensky. Victory is just around the corner and soon the orcs will break after suffering a million dead!
The sooner Elensky can get his 500,000 nubile Ukie girls charging forward in their bikinis the sooner the orcs will surrender enmass!
The darkest hour is just before dawn.
Once more into the breech!

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 31 2023 8:50 utc | 14

6 bibi next, what else can a despotic mass murderer ask for . a peace prize! Done deal next week, just gotta wait for the final body count

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 31 2023 8:50 utc | 15

6 bibi next, what else can a despotic mass murderer ask for . a peace prize! Done deal next week, just gotta wait for the final body count

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 31 2023 8:50 utc | 16

8 You cannot think of anything that would be too absurd. I just Googled it and the search returne a result from the Times of Israel 2020:
Netanyahu touts his nomination for Nobel Peace Prize by N. Ireland laureate
PM had already been nominated for award by Italian and Finnish MPs for Israel’s normalization deals with UAE, Bahrain
By ToI Staff 24 November 2020, 3:45 pm
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office issued a statement Tuesday saying he had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize following the normalization deals with the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan, after the premier had already been nominated for the award multiple times in recent months.
“Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Lord David Trimble today nominated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the Nobel Peace Prize, together with Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed [Al Nahyan], Abu Dhabi’s crown prince,” the Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 8:56 utc | 17

8 You cannot think of anything that would be too absurd. I just Googled it and the search returne a result from the Times of Israel 2020:
Netanyahu touts his nomination for Nobel Peace Prize by N. Ireland laureate
PM had already been nominated for award by Italian and Finnish MPs for Israel’s normalization deals with UAE, Bahrain
By ToI Staff 24 November 2020, 3:45 pm
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office issued a statement Tuesday saying he had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize following the normalization deals with the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan, after the premier had already been nominated for the award multiple times in recent months.
“Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Lord David Trimble today nominated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the Nobel Peace Prize, together with Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed [Al Nahyan], Abu Dhabi’s crown prince,” the Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 8:56 utc | 18

What a difference a year makes …
Posted by b on October 31, 2023 at 8:12 UTC

Next year in Jerusalem

Posted by: too scents | Oct 31 2023 8:59 utc | 19

What a difference a year makes …
Posted by b on October 31, 2023 at 8:12 UTC

Next year in Jerusalem

Posted by: too scents | Oct 31 2023 8:59 utc | 20

Giving Zelensky agency is laughable. The curtain is torn beyond mending.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 31 2023 9:03 utc | 21

Giving Zelensky agency is laughable. The curtain is torn beyond mending.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 31 2023 9:03 utc | 22

Look at how effortlessly they lie – the trash that they spew. “Tens of thousands have been killed”. Try *hundreds* of thousands. Bastards.

Posted by: ivanislav | Oct 31 2023 9:04 utc | 23

Look at how effortlessly they lie – the trash that they spew. “Tens of thousands have been killed”. Try *hundreds* of thousands. Bastards.

Posted by: ivanislav | Oct 31 2023 9:04 utc | 24

10 settle down Charles next you will research why those guys thrust their hips against the wall while praying at an old Roman fort they call a temple

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 31 2023 9:08 utc | 25

10 settle down Charles next you will research why those guys thrust their hips against the wall while praying at an old Roman fort they call a temple

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 31 2023 9:08 utc | 26

The next war might be civil war and terrorism in European countries. The gloomier the prospects in war and economy in Ukraine getting poorer, the more corruption will leak and sell weapons to criminals and gangs across Europe. These will become more than merely a nuisance.
One thing you could also expect is Ukraine government losing control of increasing proportion of the country. The end game may be fracturing and absorption of the west by Poland, south-east by Russia, mid-north and center becoming a neutral buffer state. Finally, Romania and Hungary might have a couple of claims, as well.
This all happened as Ukraine/West will have no further communication with Russia as they have stated many times.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 9:26 utc | 27

The next war might be civil war and terrorism in European countries. The gloomier the prospects in war and economy in Ukraine getting poorer, the more corruption will leak and sell weapons to criminals and gangs across Europe. These will become more than merely a nuisance.
One thing you could also expect is Ukraine government losing control of increasing proportion of the country. The end game may be fracturing and absorption of the west by Poland, south-east by Russia, mid-north and center becoming a neutral buffer state. Finally, Romania and Hungary might have a couple of claims, as well.
This all happened as Ukraine/West will have no further communication with Russia as they have stated many times.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 9:26 utc | 28

It’s worth noting that British neocon darling, Owen Matthews (Despite his name, his mother is a Russian Jew whose father was a brutal official, possibly NKVD in the Stalin regime who ran away with the family when when consequences came due to Britain) who combines the worst of the English upper classes with the worst of Russian Jewry. Arrogance, superiority complexes and outgroup hatred compounded. Matthews is notable in that he appears on Russian TV, often taking ridiculous neocon talking points and has appeared in some Russian scripted TV shows, demonstrating his connections to that community in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Matthews
He wrote a book on the Ukraine war, hilariously titled “Overreach: The Inside Story of Putin’s War Against Ukraine”. He seems to have taken far too long to write his book and exploit the ignorance of the masses, perhaps the advance from Harper-Collins was all he really wanted. However, coming out in September 2023, it’s impossible for even the most stunted mind not to see who overreached in Ukraine and it wasn’t Putin. If anything it’s a fascinating artifact to prove to later generations that, yes, Virginia, people, particularly among the educated professional classes actually believed this, don’t ever trust the upper middle classes, ever, they’re not just anti-social, they’re stupid. Lawyers and doctors should be banned from political office. (Or perhaps we should have a pure democracy with no representatives at all)
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/overreach-the-inside-story-of-putins-war-against-ukraine-owen-matthews

Winner of the Pushkin House Book Prize 2023
*A Telegraph Book of the Year*
A Times Best Book of Summer 2023
*Shortlisted for the Parliamentary Book Awards*
An astonishing investigation into the start of the Russo-Ukrainian war – from the corridors of the Kremlin to the trenches of Mariupol.
The Russo-Ukrainian War is the most serious geopolitical crisis since the Second World War – and yet at the heart of the conflict is a mystery. Vladimir Putin apparently lurched from a calculating, subtle master of opportunity to a reckless gambler, putting his regime – and Russia itself – at risk of destruction. Why?
Drawing on over 25 years’ experience as a correspondent in Moscow, as well as his own family ties to Russia and Ukraine, journalist Owen Matthews takes us through the poisoned historical roots of the conflict, into the Covid bubble where Putin conceived his invasion plans in a fog of paranoia about Western threats, and finally into the inner circle around Ukrainian president and unexpected war hero Volodimir Zelensky.
Using the accounts of current and former insiders from the Kremlin and its propaganda machine, the testimony of captured Russian soldiers and on-the-ground reporting from Russia and Ukraine, Overreach tells the story not only of the war’s causes but how the first six months unfolded.
With its panoramic view, Overreach is an authoritative, unmissable record of a conflict that shocked Europe to its core.

The reviews are pure gold.

Reviews:
”’Not merely the first full account of the war in Ukraine, but may set the standard for some time to come … a remarkable achievement, with Matthews’s expert eye like an all-seeing drone, buzzing from one side of the conflict to the other”
-5* Telegraph

”’A vivid and revealing first draft of history … The strength of his account lies in his ability to tell the story from many angles, weaving them into a single, fast-paced narrative … fascinating”
-Financial Times

”’The best current analysis of the countdown to war”
-Serhii Plokhy, TLS
‘There will be many more books on Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, but Owen Matthews’ extraordinary perspective has produced an interim account of special value.’ Daily Mail

”’A wave of hurriedly written books about the Russo-Ukrainian war is about to crash over our bookshops and overburdened shelves, but it is hard not to feel sorry for most of their authors. Owen Matthews has already come out with what is not only one of the fastest, but also likely to be the best, setting a painfully high benchmark for those who follow.”
-Times

Posted by: Altai | Oct 31 2023 9:28 utc | 29

It’s worth noting that British neocon darling, Owen Matthews (Despite his name, his mother is a Russian Jew whose father was a brutal official, possibly NKVD in the Stalin regime who ran away with the family when when consequences came due to Britain) who combines the worst of the English upper classes with the worst of Russian Jewry. Arrogance, superiority complexes and outgroup hatred compounded. Matthews is notable in that he appears on Russian TV, often taking ridiculous neocon talking points and has appeared in some Russian scripted TV shows, demonstrating his connections to that community in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Matthews
He wrote a book on the Ukraine war, hilariously titled “Overreach: The Inside Story of Putin’s War Against Ukraine”. He seems to have taken far too long to write his book and exploit the ignorance of the masses, perhaps the advance from Harper-Collins was all he really wanted. However, coming out in September 2023, it’s impossible for even the most stunted mind not to see who overreached in Ukraine and it wasn’t Putin. If anything it’s a fascinating artifact to prove to later generations that, yes, Virginia, people, particularly among the educated professional classes actually believed this, don’t ever trust the upper middle classes, ever, they’re not just anti-social, they’re stupid. Lawyers and doctors should be banned from political office. (Or perhaps we should have a pure democracy with no representatives at all)
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/overreach-the-inside-story-of-putins-war-against-ukraine-owen-matthews

Winner of the Pushkin House Book Prize 2023
*A Telegraph Book of the Year*
A Times Best Book of Summer 2023
*Shortlisted for the Parliamentary Book Awards*
An astonishing investigation into the start of the Russo-Ukrainian war – from the corridors of the Kremlin to the trenches of Mariupol.
The Russo-Ukrainian War is the most serious geopolitical crisis since the Second World War – and yet at the heart of the conflict is a mystery. Vladimir Putin apparently lurched from a calculating, subtle master of opportunity to a reckless gambler, putting his regime – and Russia itself – at risk of destruction. Why?
Drawing on over 25 years’ experience as a correspondent in Moscow, as well as his own family ties to Russia and Ukraine, journalist Owen Matthews takes us through the poisoned historical roots of the conflict, into the Covid bubble where Putin conceived his invasion plans in a fog of paranoia about Western threats, and finally into the inner circle around Ukrainian president and unexpected war hero Volodimir Zelensky.
Using the accounts of current and former insiders from the Kremlin and its propaganda machine, the testimony of captured Russian soldiers and on-the-ground reporting from Russia and Ukraine, Overreach tells the story not only of the war’s causes but how the first six months unfolded.
With its panoramic view, Overreach is an authoritative, unmissable record of a conflict that shocked Europe to its core.

The reviews are pure gold.

Reviews:
”’Not merely the first full account of the war in Ukraine, but may set the standard for some time to come … a remarkable achievement, with Matthews’s expert eye like an all-seeing drone, buzzing from one side of the conflict to the other”
-5* Telegraph

”’A vivid and revealing first draft of history … The strength of his account lies in his ability to tell the story from many angles, weaving them into a single, fast-paced narrative … fascinating”
-Financial Times

”’The best current analysis of the countdown to war”
-Serhii Plokhy, TLS
‘There will be many more books on Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, but Owen Matthews’ extraordinary perspective has produced an interim account of special value.’ Daily Mail

”’A wave of hurriedly written books about the Russo-Ukrainian war is about to crash over our bookshops and overburdened shelves, but it is hard not to feel sorry for most of their authors. Owen Matthews has already come out with what is not only one of the fastest, but also likely to be the best, setting a painfully high benchmark for those who follow.”
-Times

Posted by: Altai | Oct 31 2023 9:28 utc | 30

Re: Population within Kiev controled territory
Starting point 34 million as of 2014
Less
5 million fled to Europe 2014-21
5 million fled to Europe 2022-23
3 million fled to Russia 2014-21
3 million fled to Russia 2022-23
7 million living in DPR, LPR, Crimea
————————
11 million

Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 9:45 utc | 31

Re: Population within Kiev controled territory
Starting point 34 million as of 2014
Less
5 million fled to Europe 2014-21
5 million fled to Europe 2022-23
3 million fled to Russia 2014-21
3 million fled to Russia 2022-23
7 million living in DPR, LPR, Crimea
————————
11 million

Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 9:45 utc | 32

Our source reports that the Western lobby behind the scenes gave Zelensky an ultimatum.
Either he begins the process of peace negotiations-truce-freeze of the conflict, or financial and military assistance will gradually decrease until it drops to “zero”. At this moment, a lot of negative articles against ZeErmak will be published in the West.
The source indicates that so far we are only talking about negotiations/truce/freeze, without any signed official agreements like the Minsk agreements.
Zelensky hopes that the Israeli case will soon end with the victory of the Jews and the collective West, the British will back up Zelensky, and in 2024 Kiev will be helped by Chisinau, which will reactivate the second front by starting the Transnistrian crisis.
Zelensky is in a difficult situation now, but he can safely raise the stakes. When and to what extent, time will tell.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16592

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 10:03 utc | 33

Our source reports that the Western lobby behind the scenes gave Zelensky an ultimatum.
Either he begins the process of peace negotiations-truce-freeze of the conflict, or financial and military assistance will gradually decrease until it drops to “zero”. At this moment, a lot of negative articles against ZeErmak will be published in the West.
The source indicates that so far we are only talking about negotiations/truce/freeze, without any signed official agreements like the Minsk agreements.
Zelensky hopes that the Israeli case will soon end with the victory of the Jews and the collective West, the British will back up Zelensky, and in 2024 Kiev will be helped by Chisinau, which will reactivate the second front by starting the Transnistrian crisis.
Zelensky is in a difficult situation now, but he can safely raise the stakes. When and to what extent, time will tell.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16592

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 10:03 utc | 34

What is going to be interesting is if/when Ukraine surrenders and the west refuses to accept it. Leading up to this, and to prevent a repeat of 1945, the “legitimate” government will have to flee abroad, and some sort of “illegal” sanctionable entity left holding the bag in Ukraine.

Posted by: Paul L | Oct 31 2023 10:04 utc | 35

What is going to be interesting is if/when Ukraine surrenders and the west refuses to accept it. Leading up to this, and to prevent a repeat of 1945, the “legitimate” government will have to flee abroad, and some sort of “illegal” sanctionable entity left holding the bag in Ukraine.

Posted by: Paul L | Oct 31 2023 10:04 utc | 36

Don’t forget to credit the extras, it’s good for them to understand that their contribution is recognised and appreciated.
https://t.me/llordofwar/228533

💬 Chief of Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Protection Troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov:
‘We complete the list of those involved in the Ukrainian military biological dossier with attendees of the training, which took place in Lviv.
Among them are:
▪ Filippa Lentzos, member of the UK Biosecurity Steering Board, ….
▪ Gemma Bowsher, from the Department of War Studies at King’s College London, …
▪ Oksana Kucheryava, Head of Communications at the Public Health Centre of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, ….
▪It was also found that Irina Demchishina, the head of the reference laboratory for the diagnosis of viral and highly dangerous pathogens, … acted as an intermediary in interaction with Pentagon contractors Black & Veatch and Metabiota, and supervised the implementation of DTRA projects in Ukraine.

We will continue to analyse incoming documents and keep you informed.’

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 31 2023 10:09 utc | 37

Don’t forget to credit the extras, it’s good for them to understand that their contribution is recognised and appreciated.
https://t.me/llordofwar/228533

💬 Chief of Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Protection Troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov:
‘We complete the list of those involved in the Ukrainian military biological dossier with attendees of the training, which took place in Lviv.
Among them are:
▪ Filippa Lentzos, member of the UK Biosecurity Steering Board, ….
▪ Gemma Bowsher, from the Department of War Studies at King’s College London, …
▪ Oksana Kucheryava, Head of Communications at the Public Health Centre of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, ….
▪It was also found that Irina Demchishina, the head of the reference laboratory for the diagnosis of viral and highly dangerous pathogens, … acted as an intermediary in interaction with Pentagon contractors Black & Veatch and Metabiota, and supervised the implementation of DTRA projects in Ukraine.

We will continue to analyse incoming documents and keep you informed.’

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 31 2023 10:09 utc | 38

Zelensky this celebrated Western sock puppet his strings pulled by M16 will continue zombie like marching down a predestined road of death impervious to reason in the degenerate style of his fascist mentors in the UK Security State and ruling class who obsessed with the prospect of their revanchist vision of victory over Russian Orcs are yet haunted by the economic debilities of the Western Elites.

Posted by: Rick | Oct 31 2023 10:19 utc | 39

Zelensky this celebrated Western sock puppet his strings pulled by M16 will continue zombie like marching down a predestined road of death impervious to reason in the degenerate style of his fascist mentors in the UK Security State and ruling class who obsessed with the prospect of their revanchist vision of victory over Russian Orcs are yet haunted by the economic debilities of the Western Elites.

Posted by: Rick | Oct 31 2023 10:19 utc | 40

Nobody Believes in Our Victory Like I Do.’
Maybe Zelenski has already won.. the object may never have been to save the Army of, or the integrity of the territory of, or the government of, Ukraine? The object may have been about building a global infrastructure capable to cut Russian oil and gas out of global markets and to obtain monopoly control over the supply of oil and gas to Europe?
The object may have been to allow oil and gas pipelines and frac oriented shale oil production and packaging facilities, LNG, load, unload and transport facilities around the globe to be built, and for certain changes in Law of the Seas to be implemented? It takes time to build gas to liquid conversion facilities and time to build pipelines and ships capable to deliver the gas, oil and LNG.
If you accept that the whole purpose of the extended war in Ukraine may have been to keep Russia busy while private competitive, non Russian, owners of oil and gas monopolies build facilities needed to block Russian oil and gas from reaching European and other markets; then you can say without doubt, the western oil and gas owners have successfully used the nation state system to accomplish the objectives of their block and circumvent[B&C] project. The latest B&C accomplishment: 47 war ships in the Mediterranean capable to protect the new pipelines under the mediterranean sea from Palestine to Europe.
Russian pipelines feeding Europe, (NORDSTREAM II etc. and the Gasprom central gas pipeline distribution stations in Kiev both) have now been stopped? If you accept that the war in Ukraine gives plausible denial to circumvention and block objectives; then the circumvention and blocking of Russian energy products from having any access to western energy markets has been accomplished.
If the object of the continued NATO encroachments threatening the NATO borders of Russia, were designed to force the war in Ukraine in order to buy the time needed to put in place “circumvention pipelines and equipment and to build circumvention facilities necessary to the B&C project, then the object of the war in Ukraine, the war Zelenski and his walking dead army have already won? If you accept that the War in Gaza is about protecting monopoly control over those new oil and gas facilities, then you see the scenario used in Ukraine may have been used in Gaza; war was forced as a deception designed to hide the “B&C” oil and gas project”. Accepting that scenario, explains the timing and purpose of removing the Palestinians from the Mediterranean sea coast they are slowing the progress of the B&C oil and gas project; accepting that premise even explains that the naval presence in the Med may be to protect B&C oil and gas project undersea circumvention assets?
Here are the links to study.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/monopoly-nation-how-a-handful-of-firms-control-prices-hold-israelis-to-ransom/
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/standing-up-to-israels-gas-monopoly/
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/
https://www.rt.com/business/586105-kiev-gas-transit-deal-moscow/
https://www.tiktok.com/@richardmedhurst/video/7295815659764714785?_r=1&_t=8gxCY2v3Hk1
https://www.newarab.com/sites/default/files/2023-06/afp.com-20120717-GR-INFO-GR309277-preview.jpg
https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF88GBvbXQGwndIi.jpg

Posted by: snake | Oct 31 2023 10:19 utc | 41

Nobody Believes in Our Victory Like I Do.’
Maybe Zelenski has already won.. the object may never have been to save the Army of, or the integrity of the territory of, or the government of, Ukraine? The object may have been about building a global infrastructure capable to cut Russian oil and gas out of global markets and to obtain monopoly control over the supply of oil and gas to Europe?
The object may have been to allow oil and gas pipelines and frac oriented shale oil production and packaging facilities, LNG, load, unload and transport facilities around the globe to be built, and for certain changes in Law of the Seas to be implemented? It takes time to build gas to liquid conversion facilities and time to build pipelines and ships capable to deliver the gas, oil and LNG.
If you accept that the whole purpose of the extended war in Ukraine may have been to keep Russia busy while private competitive, non Russian, owners of oil and gas monopolies build facilities needed to block Russian oil and gas from reaching European and other markets; then you can say without doubt, the western oil and gas owners have successfully used the nation state system to accomplish the objectives of their block and circumvent[B&C] project. The latest B&C accomplishment: 47 war ships in the Mediterranean capable to protect the new pipelines under the mediterranean sea from Palestine to Europe.
Russian pipelines feeding Europe, (NORDSTREAM II etc. and the Gasprom central gas pipeline distribution stations in Kiev both) have now been stopped? If you accept that the war in Ukraine gives plausible denial to circumvention and block objectives; then the circumvention and blocking of Russian energy products from having any access to western energy markets has been accomplished.
If the object of the continued NATO encroachments threatening the NATO borders of Russia, were designed to force the war in Ukraine in order to buy the time needed to put in place “circumvention pipelines and equipment and to build circumvention facilities necessary to the B&C project, then the object of the war in Ukraine, the war Zelenski and his walking dead army have already won? If you accept that the War in Gaza is about protecting monopoly control over those new oil and gas facilities, then you see the scenario used in Ukraine may have been used in Gaza; war was forced as a deception designed to hide the “B&C” oil and gas project”. Accepting that scenario, explains the timing and purpose of removing the Palestinians from the Mediterranean sea coast they are slowing the progress of the B&C oil and gas project; accepting that premise even explains that the naval presence in the Med may be to protect B&C oil and gas project undersea circumvention assets?
Here are the links to study.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/monopoly-nation-how-a-handful-of-firms-control-prices-hold-israelis-to-ransom/
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/standing-up-to-israels-gas-monopoly/
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/
https://www.rt.com/business/586105-kiev-gas-transit-deal-moscow/
https://www.tiktok.com/@richardmedhurst/video/7295815659764714785?_r=1&_t=8gxCY2v3Hk1
https://www.newarab.com/sites/default/files/2023-06/afp.com-20120717-GR-INFO-GR309277-preview.jpg
https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF88GBvbXQGwndIi.jpg

Posted by: snake | Oct 31 2023 10:19 utc | 42

But of course, if Putin has died, there is no reason not to negotiate with his “body double”…
Is that a sufficiently lunatic idea to be a possible white House strategy?
Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 7:35 utc | 150
Well they wouldn’t negotiate with the real Putin, why would his body double be any better?
Now here’s the problem the West has:

What if Putin’s body double is not only as well educated and trained as him but also a dab hand at military-economic strategy?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 31 2023 10:29 utc | 43

But of course, if Putin has died, there is no reason not to negotiate with his “body double”…
Is that a sufficiently lunatic idea to be a possible white House strategy?
Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 7:35 utc | 150
Well they wouldn’t negotiate with the real Putin, why would his body double be any better?
Now here’s the problem the West has:

What if Putin’s body double is not only as well educated and trained as him but also a dab hand at military-economic strategy?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 31 2023 10:29 utc | 44

If Zelensky knew what was good for him, he should give himself up to the Russians and accept any war crimes charges against him. If he is lucky, he will be in prison for the rest of his life, probably a prison in a remote part of Siberia. At least he will be kept alive on the Russian taxpayer’s dime.
If he does not give himself up, he faces danger from the SBU (abetted by the CIA), the AFU or someone with an axe to grind against him. An early and very ignominious end will be awaiting him.
There is also a possibility that he might harm himself, if his cocaine supply is interrupted and his delusions of grandeur and self-importance fade away.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 31 2023 10:40 utc | 45

If Zelensky knew what was good for him, he should give himself up to the Russians and accept any war crimes charges against him. If he is lucky, he will be in prison for the rest of his life, probably a prison in a remote part of Siberia. At least he will be kept alive on the Russian taxpayer’s dime.
If he does not give himself up, he faces danger from the SBU (abetted by the CIA), the AFU or someone with an axe to grind against him. An early and very ignominious end will be awaiting him.
There is also a possibility that he might harm himself, if his cocaine supply is interrupted and his delusions of grandeur and self-importance fade away.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 31 2023 10:40 utc | 46

As I’ve said previously, Zelensky can’t let the war end. His political career would be over. Yes, he could slink off somewhere to enjoy his money. But he’s grown used to having all the power. And he’s a coke head. If you’ve ever known one you know.
What’s more interesting to me is the beginnings of Kiev blaming its sponsors for the failure. The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time. Increasingly this will be Zelensky’s political answer to all the problems. If it takes hold in Ukraine, the worst case scenario for Europe grows: Ukrainian terrorism directed west rather than east.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 47

As I’ve said previously, Zelensky can’t let the war end. His political career would be over. Yes, he could slink off somewhere to enjoy his money. But he’s grown used to having all the power. And he’s a coke head. If you’ve ever known one you know.
What’s more interesting to me is the beginnings of Kiev blaming its sponsors for the failure. The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time. Increasingly this will be Zelensky’s political answer to all the problems. If it takes hold in Ukraine, the worst case scenario for Europe grows: Ukrainian terrorism directed west rather than east.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 48

Zelenski still hasn’t. He won’t concede:
It’s obvious what’s going on with Zelensky.
Zelensky had a peace deal with Russia ready to go in March/April 2022.
BUT
Zelensky was told by the US/UK – by Boris/Biden/Blinken/Nuland etc. – NO DEAL – Boris/Biden/Blinken told Zelensky the US/UK would support Ukraine until victory and NOT TO SIGN ANY DEALS.
Zelensky had a deal – but was told TEAR IT UP OR WE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOU.
Zelensky is HOLDING US/UK to that promise.
It’s that simple.
If Ukraine loses – it is not Zelensky who will be proven WRONG (HE HAD A DEAL!) – it is the US/UK etc. who will be proven wrong.
That is his angle – and he will play it all the way. ALL THE WAY.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 31 2023 10:55 utc | 49

Zelenski still hasn’t. He won’t concede:
It’s obvious what’s going on with Zelensky.
Zelensky had a peace deal with Russia ready to go in March/April 2022.
BUT
Zelensky was told by the US/UK – by Boris/Biden/Blinken/Nuland etc. – NO DEAL – Boris/Biden/Blinken told Zelensky the US/UK would support Ukraine until victory and NOT TO SIGN ANY DEALS.
Zelensky had a deal – but was told TEAR IT UP OR WE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOU.
Zelensky is HOLDING US/UK to that promise.
It’s that simple.
If Ukraine loses – it is not Zelensky who will be proven WRONG (HE HAD A DEAL!) – it is the US/UK etc. who will be proven wrong.
That is his angle – and he will play it all the way. ALL THE WAY.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 31 2023 10:55 utc | 50

Thank you, b, for the link to the John Mearsheimer talk. I will be passing that along to friends and family. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 31 2023 11:22 utc | 51

Thank you, b, for the link to the John Mearsheimer talk. I will be passing that along to friends and family. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 31 2023 11:22 utc | 52

Zelensky knows he is becoming useless. And useless things tend to disappear.
They are now promoting Arestovich as a controlled opposition. Arestovich is a sleaze-bag, but he has occasionally been spouting the truth on various issues.
He said Ukraine’s ATO operation since 2014 was completely illegal under international law, and constituted genocide in Donbass. Russia used the same context to enter Ukraine, as USA used UN article (something, can’t remember) to enter Libya, under the “responsibility-to-protect” clausal.
Except there was no real genocide in Libya other than the one orchestrated by the US through their “moderate rebel” terrorists al-Qaeda. The genocide in Donbass was real.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 11:25 utc | 53

Zelensky knows he is becoming useless. And useless things tend to disappear.
They are now promoting Arestovich as a controlled opposition. Arestovich is a sleaze-bag, but he has occasionally been spouting the truth on various issues.
He said Ukraine’s ATO operation since 2014 was completely illegal under international law, and constituted genocide in Donbass. Russia used the same context to enter Ukraine, as USA used UN article (something, can’t remember) to enter Libya, under the “responsibility-to-protect” clausal.
Except there was no real genocide in Libya other than the one orchestrated by the US through their “moderate rebel” terrorists al-Qaeda. The genocide in Donbass was real.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 11:25 utc | 54

Is Zelensky allowed to change course?
Many arsenals have been drained, hundreds of billions in US contracts to re-stock them. But is that all? The costs of running this clown have to succeed the revenue for things to change.

Posted by: Ruediger | Oct 31 2023 11:26 utc | 55

Is Zelensky allowed to change course?
Many arsenals have been drained, hundreds of billions in US contracts to re-stock them. But is that all? The costs of running this clown have to succeed the revenue for things to change.

Posted by: Ruediger | Oct 31 2023 11:26 utc | 56

Let’s assume that the war is lost. Ukraine needs material and money which it just doesn’t have, and is wholly dependent on NATO for an inadequate supply of both. If the Russians continue attacking even on the comparatively small scale that they are currently employing, this weakness will simply expand.
In that case, what can Zhelensky do? He can’t face his people and say that he suckered them into an unwinnable war under false pretenses and killed hundreds of thousands of his people. He’d be lynched. He can’t face the Nazis and say that they need to negotiatiate with the Russians; he’d be assassinated. He can’t face NATO and say that he intends to surrender to the Russians; he’d be deposed (and then assassinated) or assassinated straight off.
About his only realistic option is to flee the country, but where can he flee to, and using what transport? If he hangs in until Kyiv collapses, he can hope that, as P J O’Rourke put it, the USAF will Baby Doc him somewhere nice.

Posted by: MFB | Oct 31 2023 11:27 utc | 57

Let’s assume that the war is lost. Ukraine needs material and money which it just doesn’t have, and is wholly dependent on NATO for an inadequate supply of both. If the Russians continue attacking even on the comparatively small scale that they are currently employing, this weakness will simply expand.
In that case, what can Zhelensky do? He can’t face his people and say that he suckered them into an unwinnable war under false pretenses and killed hundreds of thousands of his people. He’d be lynched. He can’t face the Nazis and say that they need to negotiatiate with the Russians; he’d be assassinated. He can’t face NATO and say that he intends to surrender to the Russians; he’d be deposed (and then assassinated) or assassinated straight off.
About his only realistic option is to flee the country, but where can he flee to, and using what transport? If he hangs in until Kyiv collapses, he can hope that, as P J O’Rourke put it, the USAF will Baby Doc him somewhere nice.

Posted by: MFB | Oct 31 2023 11:27 utc | 58

The photo of Zelenzki, wandering alone on the perimeter of a gaggle of his Eurotrash ‘friends’ who were studiously ignoring him a few months ago, was an amusing glimpse of the future of his, Ukraine, and the West’s eerie ineptitude.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 31 2023 11:29 utc | 59

The photo of Zelenzki, wandering alone on the perimeter of a gaggle of his Eurotrash ‘friends’ who were studiously ignoring him a few months ago, was an amusing glimpse of the future of his, Ukraine, and the West’s eerie ineptitude.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 31 2023 11:29 utc | 60

Why all the speculation about Ukraine?
The answer is clear from Syria that USUKIS are annihilated immediately after serving their purpose of rendering a country either empty or unserviceable.
Proxies are totally disposable, except for some Azovs whose murder would scare the horses for future Henry Kissyourbackside covert operations.
Is it such an enigma to solve why the same people who have planned for , , and destroyed 7 countries in 20 years, chose the Ukraine project against Russia? Iraq Lebanon Syria Libya Somalia. Iran is next, Jordan , Saudi Arabia.
Russia interfered with Neocon plans in Syria. Hence Ukraine.. .
Now if Russia or Iran could be provoked to attack Israel, by totally unacceptable genocide in Gaza, USUKIS could complete its list of countries to be annihilated with Russia and Iran on the mantlepiece as decorative glass.
The only countries USUKIS wants to destroy are the countries that would form the Greater Israel. Anything else is Collateral Damage. In Netanyahu Zion has found its Hitler.
As for Israel’s economy being frail, fuck me, it must be time for another worldwide recession, to re-fill their coffers. The 2007 scam of the century needs to be repeated. No wonder Sunak sacked his minister for calling for a ceasefire. He’s clearing the way for a new refinancing of the Jewish Banksters.
How come even at a time that Israel has killed 12,000 civilians in Gaza, and declared Ukraine as an empty land for a people without land, they are still playing the victim card and getting believers ?

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 11:32 utc | 61

Why all the speculation about Ukraine?
The answer is clear from Syria that USUKIS are annihilated immediately after serving their purpose of rendering a country either empty or unserviceable.
Proxies are totally disposable, except for some Azovs whose murder would scare the horses for future Henry Kissyourbackside covert operations.
Is it such an enigma to solve why the same people who have planned for , , and destroyed 7 countries in 20 years, chose the Ukraine project against Russia? Iraq Lebanon Syria Libya Somalia. Iran is next, Jordan , Saudi Arabia.
Russia interfered with Neocon plans in Syria. Hence Ukraine.. .
Now if Russia or Iran could be provoked to attack Israel, by totally unacceptable genocide in Gaza, USUKIS could complete its list of countries to be annihilated with Russia and Iran on the mantlepiece as decorative glass.
The only countries USUKIS wants to destroy are the countries that would form the Greater Israel. Anything else is Collateral Damage. In Netanyahu Zion has found its Hitler.
As for Israel’s economy being frail, fuck me, it must be time for another worldwide recession, to re-fill their coffers. The 2007 scam of the century needs to be repeated. No wonder Sunak sacked his minister for calling for a ceasefire. He’s clearing the way for a new refinancing of the Jewish Banksters.
How come even at a time that Israel has killed 12,000 civilians in Gaza, and declared Ukraine as an empty land for a people without land, they are still playing the victim card and getting believers ?

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 11:32 utc | 62

and some sort of “illegal” sanctionable entity left holding the bag in Ukraine.
Posted by: Paul L | Oct 31 2023 10:04 utc | 19
Couldnt they just put janukowitsh back? As the coup was unconditioal (per ukraines constitution, not sure if they changed that already), he would technically still be their president. I think.
But then again, the eu would cry “puppet“ since he fled to russia or something, so theres their sanctioanble entity i guess.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 31 2023 11:34 utc | 63

and some sort of “illegal” sanctionable entity left holding the bag in Ukraine.
Posted by: Paul L | Oct 31 2023 10:04 utc | 19
Couldnt they just put janukowitsh back? As the coup was unconditioal (per ukraines constitution, not sure if they changed that already), he would technically still be their president. I think.
But then again, the eu would cry “puppet“ since he fled to russia or something, so theres their sanctioanble entity i guess.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 31 2023 11:34 utc | 64

“He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”
There have been many rumours that Zelensky likes cocaine. If any of you have seen the movie “Scarface”, with Al Pacino as a diminutive drug lord, this sounds familiar.
Cocaine is a helluva drug.

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Oct 31 2023 11:37 utc | 65

“He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”
There have been many rumours that Zelensky likes cocaine. If any of you have seen the movie “Scarface”, with Al Pacino as a diminutive drug lord, this sounds familiar.
Cocaine is a helluva drug.

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Oct 31 2023 11:37 utc | 66

zorge @1 “The Ukro loses doesnt matter as their sociery accepts them.”
Which society are we talking about? Those who emigrated? Those who are dead? Those who have been forcibly conscripted?
My hunch is that, as in Washington, there is a little bubble of expert “society” in Kiev who are getting fat on the gravy train…and are the only ones that the Western media and politicians have been talking to. And that “society” has been more than happy to reinforce the frontline with a second line that shoots anyone who doesn’t obey and advance into the meatgrinder.

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 31 2023 11:46 utc | 67

zorge @1 “The Ukro loses doesnt matter as their sociery accepts them.”
Which society are we talking about? Those who emigrated? Those who are dead? Those who have been forcibly conscripted?
My hunch is that, as in Washington, there is a little bubble of expert “society” in Kiev who are getting fat on the gravy train…and are the only ones that the Western media and politicians have been talking to. And that “society” has been more than happy to reinforce the frontline with a second line that shoots anyone who doesn’t obey and advance into the meatgrinder.

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 31 2023 11:46 utc | 68

I hear Juan Guaido is available.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 31 2023 11:50 utc | 69

I hear Juan Guaido is available.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 31 2023 11:50 utc | 70

As I’ve said previously, Zelensky can’t let the war end.
Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24
Astute. That is why they needed to resurrect Putin from the dead last week and have him say he wants an endless war.
Anyway, we who have had to put up with this propaganda shit for two year have every right to feel vindicated at last. Just do not forget to shove the rifles up the asses of this worthless scum who call themselves our leaders.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 12:00 utc | 71

As I’ve said previously, Zelensky can’t let the war end.
Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24
Astute. That is why they needed to resurrect Putin from the dead last week and have him say he wants an endless war.
Anyway, we who have had to put up with this propaganda shit for two year have every right to feel vindicated at last. Just do not forget to shove the rifles up the asses of this worthless scum who call themselves our leaders.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 12:00 utc | 72

11 million
Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 9:45 utc | 17

10.5 million babuskas…. kids… great grandfathers….
500,000 military personnel…. elites….. key technicians….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 31 2023 12:01 utc | 73

11 million
Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 9:45 utc | 17

10.5 million babuskas…. kids… great grandfathers….
500,000 military personnel…. elites….. key technicians….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 31 2023 12:01 utc | 74

So Time Magazine is now abandoning Elensky. Last December he was “person of the year”, now he’s out of touch with reality, listens to nobody, and Ukranazistan is so corrupt that everyone is stealing as fast as they can.
Remember:
Literally this exact scenario played out in mid 2021 with America’s Afghan puppet Ashraf Ghani.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 31 2023 12:01 utc | 75

So Time Magazine is now abandoning Elensky. Last December he was “person of the year”, now he’s out of touch with reality, listens to nobody, and Ukranazistan is so corrupt that everyone is stealing as fast as they can.
Remember:
Literally this exact scenario played out in mid 2021 with America’s Afghan puppet Ashraf Ghani.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 31 2023 12:01 utc | 76

War is lost.
Trials of natzo banderist swastika tattooed Neanderthal supermen and women who were captured goes on daily. Sentences are being handed out for their documented crimes against civilians and pows, many confess.
The Russian prosecutors have been busy from day one collecting evidence and testimonies.
There’s not going to be some easy fast Nuremberg, with the 10’s of thousands of thr demented natzios and their string pullers disappearing into the woodwork to rise again. Not this time.
All that remains is some tearful bargaining and demand that the rump ukropia be handed to the poor dispossessed Israelis- so they can be back in their European ‘roots’.
The multipolarists will probably let them. As long as they don’t bring any nukes, stay neutral and keep their natzio dreams in a bin that can’t ever be opened. Heck they may even get to use Odessa!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 31 2023 12:15 utc | 77

War is lost.
Trials of natzo banderist swastika tattooed Neanderthal supermen and women who were captured goes on daily. Sentences are being handed out for their documented crimes against civilians and pows, many confess.
The Russian prosecutors have been busy from day one collecting evidence and testimonies.
There’s not going to be some easy fast Nuremberg, with the 10’s of thousands of thr demented natzios and their string pullers disappearing into the woodwork to rise again. Not this time.
All that remains is some tearful bargaining and demand that the rump ukropia be handed to the poor dispossessed Israelis- so they can be back in their European ‘roots’.
The multipolarists will probably let them. As long as they don’t bring any nukes, stay neutral and keep their natzio dreams in a bin that can’t ever be opened. Heck they may even get to use Odessa!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 31 2023 12:15 utc | 78

31
I meant to write that USUKIS proxies are totally expendable , not USUKIS itself. Apologies.
Once a country has been given a child’s dummy , that all the problems of corruption in Ukraine are all the fault of the Russians, or all the problems of corruption in Pakistan are all the fault of the English , NOTHING can get that dummy out of the toddler’s face.
Especially in Israel all the problems of Israeli corruption are the fault of the Palestinians. I hate my dummy , mummy, I hate ny dummy. But nothing is going to pull that comforting dummy of projection out of the mind of the toddler, except compassionate brute force which nobody has.
It was Jesus pbuh who first explained about projection, take the plank out of your own eye , before removing the sawdust from another .
The Jews of Jesus pbuh had the Romans as a scapegoat for the corruption of their Rabbis. Now the whole Christian would want to remove that dummy but it won’t come out. Itscstill there, 2000 years later .
Zelensky and the Zionist Neocons are psychologically incapable of introspection. They have a scapegoat to blame, and it’s glued into their brains through their mouth.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 12:23 utc | 79

31
I meant to write that USUKIS proxies are totally expendable , not USUKIS itself. Apologies.
Once a country has been given a child’s dummy , that all the problems of corruption in Ukraine are all the fault of the Russians, or all the problems of corruption in Pakistan are all the fault of the English , NOTHING can get that dummy out of the toddler’s face.
Especially in Israel all the problems of Israeli corruption are the fault of the Palestinians. I hate my dummy , mummy, I hate ny dummy. But nothing is going to pull that comforting dummy of projection out of the mind of the toddler, except compassionate brute force which nobody has.
It was Jesus pbuh who first explained about projection, take the plank out of your own eye , before removing the sawdust from another .
The Jews of Jesus pbuh had the Romans as a scapegoat for the corruption of their Rabbis. Now the whole Christian would want to remove that dummy but it won’t come out. Itscstill there, 2000 years later .
Zelensky and the Zionist Neocons are psychologically incapable of introspection. They have a scapegoat to blame, and it’s glued into their brains through their mouth.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 12:23 utc | 80

It seems to me that the CIA’s TIME magazine (it mockingbird usurped cerca 1963) is setting up Elensky to be the lone fall guy (the deciderer!). To remove any blame on the USUKIS money machine. And the true rulers and strategizers of Ukronazilan – Nuland,the Kagans, Blinken and dopey Uncle Joe. (Please don’t let ’em find out about all the money I stole).
Elenski is a sock puppet and he’s in trouble. Has he anywhere to hide?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 31 2023 12:35 utc | 81

It seems to me that the CIA’s TIME magazine (it mockingbird usurped cerca 1963) is setting up Elensky to be the lone fall guy (the deciderer!). To remove any blame on the USUKIS money machine. And the true rulers and strategizers of Ukronazilan – Nuland,the Kagans, Blinken and dopey Uncle Joe. (Please don’t let ’em find out about all the money I stole).
Elenski is a sock puppet and he’s in trouble. Has he anywhere to hide?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 31 2023 12:35 utc | 82

DunGroanin 39
The zionist Neocons opened the bin of Nazism because Russia was frusrrating the destruction of Syria for Greater Israel . Soros funded the indoctrination of Ukkraine with Russophobia for Greater Israel.
You have to prosecute the ringleaders first. We still don’t know whether they used some kind of chemical torture rendition like the neocons used in the War on ( i.e. to manufacture ) Terror.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 12:36 utc | 83

DunGroanin 39
The zionist Neocons opened the bin of Nazism because Russia was frusrrating the destruction of Syria for Greater Israel . Soros funded the indoctrination of Ukkraine with Russophobia for Greater Israel.
You have to prosecute the ringleaders first. We still don’t know whether they used some kind of chemical torture rendition like the neocons used in the War on ( i.e. to manufacture ) Terror.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 12:36 utc | 84

He is/was deluded by the west. He had no ability to assess the potential for defeat of Russia and Russia’s will to prevail – zero. Everyone of any intellectual ability knew this. He should have known this in fact it appears he did, but Boris the Clown convinced him otherwise. He was totally reliant on his handlers.
Well now his existence has become inconvenient – another botched project to be swept under the rug. I would think it would be safer for him to step-down. I wonder if that door is closed. How long will it take for Ukrainians to understand what they have done?

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:37 utc | 85

He is/was deluded by the west. He had no ability to assess the potential for defeat of Russia and Russia’s will to prevail – zero. Everyone of any intellectual ability knew this. He should have known this in fact it appears he did, but Boris the Clown convinced him otherwise. He was totally reliant on his handlers.
Well now his existence has become inconvenient – another botched project to be swept under the rug. I would think it would be safer for him to step-down. I wonder if that door is closed. How long will it take for Ukrainians to understand what they have done?

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:37 utc | 86

Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President suspects Zaluzhny of sabotaging the headquarters’ decisions on the Azov operation, which the Commander-in-Chief blocked from the first days and did not support the crossing of the Dnieper as the second stage of the counteroffensive. Andriy Ermak believes that Zaluzhny is working together with the Americans to weaken Zelensky.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19877

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky considers Zaluzhny to be to blame for the failure of the counteroffensive, who refused to begin the second stage with an amphibious operation on the left bank of the Dnieper.
Bankovaya is confident that the Commander-in-Chief has been building his political career for a long time, which is why he is blocking all military plans at headquarters, declaring the limited capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20331

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky refused to withdraw troops from Avdiivka and demanded that Zaluzhny prepare the defense of the city. The Ukrainian Armed Forces must transfer all reserves from the Zaporozhye front and organize a counterattack on the flanks of the city in order to prevent the enemy from tightening the Avdeevka stranglehold.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20332

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 12:38 utc | 87

Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President suspects Zaluzhny of sabotaging the headquarters’ decisions on the Azov operation, which the Commander-in-Chief blocked from the first days and did not support the crossing of the Dnieper as the second stage of the counteroffensive. Andriy Ermak believes that Zaluzhny is working together with the Americans to weaken Zelensky.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19877

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky considers Zaluzhny to be to blame for the failure of the counteroffensive, who refused to begin the second stage with an amphibious operation on the left bank of the Dnieper.
Bankovaya is confident that the Commander-in-Chief has been building his political career for a long time, which is why he is blocking all military plans at headquarters, declaring the limited capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20331

Our source in the OP said that Zelensky refused to withdraw troops from Avdiivka and demanded that Zaluzhny prepare the defense of the city. The Ukrainian Armed Forces must transfer all reserves from the Zaporozhye front and organize a counterattack on the flanks of the city in order to prevent the enemy from tightening the Avdeevka stranglehold.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20332

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 12:38 utc | 88

In the US-Mexican war, Santa Anna swore he would never give up territory or negotiate with the US.
Then the US took control of his capital.
He had no choice but to “sell” the seized land to pay off his war debts, and would have sold even more if the US had wanted to land.
Taking Kiev again is what will end the whole event. But that won’t be until 2025 or so.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 31 2023 12:42 utc | 89

In the US-Mexican war, Santa Anna swore he would never give up territory or negotiate with the US.
Then the US took control of his capital.
He had no choice but to “sell” the seized land to pay off his war debts, and would have sold even more if the US had wanted to land.
Taking Kiev again is what will end the whole event. But that won’t be until 2025 or so.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 31 2023 12:42 utc | 90

Zelensky’s the patsy, the one upon whom all the blame will be heaped instead of it falling on the # 1 Criminal Class within the Outlaw US Empire who caused the Ukraine Crisis and all others. Putin was 100% correct with his words yesterday, “Putin’s Alive: Security Council Meeting 10/30”:

To reiterate, those behind the conflict in the Middle East and other regional crises will take advantage of their devastating consequences to sow hatred and to pit people against each other all over the world. This is the real mercenary goal of such geopolitical puppeteers….
We must clearly understand who is really behind the tragedy of the peoples of the Middle East and other regions of the world, who organizes the deadly chaos, and who benefits from it. Today, in my opinion, it has already become obvious and understandable for everyone….
It is the current US ruling elites and their satellites that are the main beneficiaries of global instability. They extract their blood rent from it. Their strategy is also obvious. The United States as a global superpower – everyone can see and understand this, even from the trends in the global economy-is weakening and losing its position. The American-style world, with one hegemon, is being destroyed, leaving, gradually but steadily becoming a thing of the past.
But the United States does not want to put up with this; on the contrary, they want to preserve and extend their dominance, their global dictatorship, and in conditions of general chaos it is more convenient to do this, because with the help of such chaos they expect to restrain and destabilize their competitors, as they say, their geopolitical opponents, which include our country, and in fact, there are new centers of global development, sovereign, independent countries that do not want to humiliate themselves and play the role of lackeys….
I will repeat again: the US ruling elites and their satellites are behind the tragedy of the Palestinians, the carnage in the Middle East as a whole, the conflict in Ukraine, and many other conflicts in the world – in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and so on. This is already obvious to everyone. They are the ones who plant their military bases everywhere, constantly use military force on occasion and without any occasion, and send weapons to conflict zones. They also send financial resources, including to Ukraine and the Middle East, and incite hatred in Ukraine and the Middle East. [My Emphasis]

Putin couldn’t have made it any plainer, been more straightforward, as to where the guilt lies in the fomenting of global carnage and chaos. Those who try to shift that blame are running interference for the Outlaw US Empire and its actions since WW2, and in some cases well before. Except that it isn’t yet “obvious to everyone” as with Time and other BigLie Media who continue to obfuscate and abet yesterday and today’s crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 31 2023 12:44 utc | 91

Zelensky’s the patsy, the one upon whom all the blame will be heaped instead of it falling on the # 1 Criminal Class within the Outlaw US Empire who caused the Ukraine Crisis and all others. Putin was 100% correct with his words yesterday, “Putin’s Alive: Security Council Meeting 10/30”:

To reiterate, those behind the conflict in the Middle East and other regional crises will take advantage of their devastating consequences to sow hatred and to pit people against each other all over the world. This is the real mercenary goal of such geopolitical puppeteers….
We must clearly understand who is really behind the tragedy of the peoples of the Middle East and other regions of the world, who organizes the deadly chaos, and who benefits from it. Today, in my opinion, it has already become obvious and understandable for everyone….
It is the current US ruling elites and their satellites that are the main beneficiaries of global instability. They extract their blood rent from it. Their strategy is also obvious. The United States as a global superpower – everyone can see and understand this, even from the trends in the global economy-is weakening and losing its position. The American-style world, with one hegemon, is being destroyed, leaving, gradually but steadily becoming a thing of the past.
But the United States does not want to put up with this; on the contrary, they want to preserve and extend their dominance, their global dictatorship, and in conditions of general chaos it is more convenient to do this, because with the help of such chaos they expect to restrain and destabilize their competitors, as they say, their geopolitical opponents, which include our country, and in fact, there are new centers of global development, sovereign, independent countries that do not want to humiliate themselves and play the role of lackeys….
I will repeat again: the US ruling elites and their satellites are behind the tragedy of the Palestinians, the carnage in the Middle East as a whole, the conflict in Ukraine, and many other conflicts in the world – in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and so on. This is already obvious to everyone. They are the ones who plant their military bases everywhere, constantly use military force on occasion and without any occasion, and send weapons to conflict zones. They also send financial resources, including to Ukraine and the Middle East, and incite hatred in Ukraine and the Middle East. [My Emphasis]

Putin couldn’t have made it any plainer, been more straightforward, as to where the guilt lies in the fomenting of global carnage and chaos. Those who try to shift that blame are running interference for the Outlaw US Empire and its actions since WW2, and in some cases well before. Except that it isn’t yet “obvious to everyone” as with Time and other BigLie Media who continue to obfuscate and abet yesterday and today’s crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 31 2023 12:44 utc | 92

The TIME cover foto of Elenski with his dour expression and his back turned portends nothing good for him.
Especially when one knows what entity controls TIME.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 31 2023 12:44 utc | 93

The TIME cover foto of Elenski with his dour expression and his back turned portends nothing good for him.
Especially when one knows what entity controls TIME.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 31 2023 12:44 utc | 94

The Washington War Party abandons its staunch Allies like a used Kotex. Zelensky is learning like:
The South Vietnamese
The Panamanians
The Bosnians
The Kosovars
ISIS
The Iraqis
The Afghani’s
Etc. etc.
all abandoned and hung out to die….

Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 12:45 utc | 95

The Washington War Party abandons its staunch Allies like a used Kotex. Zelensky is learning like:
The South Vietnamese
The Panamanians
The Bosnians
The Kosovars
ISIS
The Iraqis
The Afghani’s
Etc. etc.
all abandoned and hung out to die….

Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 12:45 utc | 96

The best part is that there’s all but literally no good option for the West here. There is no-one “good” to choose from, they chose to champion one of the most Homerically corrupt, dishonorable and inept societies on Earth. Every neighbour to the Ukraine territories – Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Turks even – knew the Ukraine chiefly as the literal shady borderland its name means, where two-bit political whores are the only indigenous animal. But, of course, the West never thinks it’s worth knowing the context or history of a place it blunders its way into, because it believes it’s invincible and infallible – or that at least its opponents are feeble and doomed to fall before it by Manifest Destiny.
About bloody time this bullshit finally started to come back to bite the West. In every corner of the world their chief proxy is a corrupt weakling with no good options.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 97

The best part is that there’s all but literally no good option for the West here. There is no-one “good” to choose from, they chose to champion one of the most Homerically corrupt, dishonorable and inept societies on Earth. Every neighbour to the Ukraine territories – Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Turks even – knew the Ukraine chiefly as the literal shady borderland its name means, where two-bit political whores are the only indigenous animal. But, of course, the West never thinks it’s worth knowing the context or history of a place it blunders its way into, because it believes it’s invincible and infallible – or that at least its opponents are feeble and doomed to fall before it by Manifest Destiny.
About bloody time this bullshit finally started to come back to bite the West. In every corner of the world their chief proxy is a corrupt weakling with no good options.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 98

I wonder, has there ever been a defeat that was so complete?
The west could proceed with development, but at great risk – private capital will not accept that risk, I think.
The government is already noted to be thoroughly corrupt – would consume any aid they receive.
Demographically and economically, they have been cut in half.
I could see Russia cutting a deal with Poland – an opportunity to collaborate constructively.

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 99

I wonder, has there ever been a defeat that was so complete?
The west could proceed with development, but at great risk – private capital will not accept that risk, I think.
The government is already noted to be thoroughly corrupt – would consume any aid they receive.
Demographically and economically, they have been cut in half.
I could see Russia cutting a deal with Poland – an opportunity to collaborate constructively.

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 100