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October 31, 2023
The War Is Lost – Zelenski Will Leave – The White House Has Failed

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Time's big new story is quite revealing:

‘Nobody Believes in Our Victory Like I Do.’ Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the FightTime – Oct. 30, 2023

That offensive has proceeded at an excruciating pace and with enormous losses, making it ever more difficult for Zelensky to convince partners that victory is around the corner. With the outbreak of war in Israel, even keeping the world’s attention on Ukraine has become a major challenge.

 Quoting a soldier on the front of the counter-offensive, the Economist agrees:

"Left Handed", an infantryman fighting at the front between Robotyne and Verbove, says Ukrainian losses have increased to alarming levels, in part due to the work of drones. The plains of Zaporizhia have turned their back on life, he says. “It’s hellish. Corpses, the smell of corpses, death, blood and fear. Not a whiff of life, just the stench of death.” Those in units such as his own had more chance of dying than surviving. “Seventy-thirty. Some don’t even see their first battle.”

Still, Zelenski is urging them on:

But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace.

On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”

Zelensky’s stubbornness, some of his aides say, has hurt their team’s efforts to come up with a new strategy, a new message. As they have debated the future of the war, one issue has remained taboo: the possibility of negotiating a peace deal with the Russians. Judging by recent surveys, most Ukrainians would reject such a move, especially if it entailed the loss of any occupied territory.

The war is lost. They know it. But they are unwilling to give up.

Zelenski's people put the blame everywhere but on the those who have caused the mess. It was the 'victory' messaging by Zelenski and his crew that has led the public into utter complacency.

As Strana headlines (machine translation):

Ukraine is losing the war with the Russian Federation due to the inadequate perception of the situation by society — commander of the Armed Forces of UkraineStrana.news – Oct. 30, 2023

Strategically, Ukraine is losing the war because of the inadequate perception of the situation by society.

This opinion was expressed by the commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Dmitry Kukharchuk in an interview with Channel Five.

He claims that at the beginning of the war, all Ukrainians were ready to defend the country, there were many volunteers. But after the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kiev, the situation changed.

"Immediately after that, I noticed that there were theses in the media that we are fighting with homeless people, that the Russian army does not know how to fight, that in principle victory will be in a week or two, a maximum of a month. That first in the spring, then in the summer, then in the autumn, then in the winter, without specifying which winter, we will go to the Crimea. That the victory is basically victorious. So people were put in a warm bathroom. We have broken down the vision of reality. But it didn't happen in Russia. They began to realize that the war was not going to be easy for them. They realized that they would have to fight for a long time, " Kukharchuk believes.

He also says that the Russians are "getting stronger" every day, and if Ukraine really fought the "degenerates", it would have defeated them long ago.

"That's why we're losing. They have these processes going on, and their public readiness is much higher than that of our society. And when they talk about a nuclear bomb, a war of all against all, for some reason it seems to me that they are ready for these processes, " the battalion commander added.

Napoleon, Hitler and several other folks who had sought war with Russia, had to learn to never underestimate the depth of its resources. Now NATO, the U.S. and its European proxies, are learning that lesson.

Zelenski still hasn't. He won't concede:

The cold will also make military advances more difficult, locking down the front lines at least until the spring. But Zelensky has refused to accept that. “Freezing the war, to me, means losing it,” he says. Before the winter sets in, his aides warned me to expect major changes in their military strategy and a major shake-up in the President’s team. At least one minister would need to be fired, along with a senior general in charge of the counteroffensive, they said, to ensure accountability for Ukraine’s slow progress at the front. “We’re not moving forward,” says one of Zelensky’s close aides. Some front-line commanders, he continues, have begun refusing orders to advance, even when they came directly from the office of the President. “They just want to sit in the trenches and hold the line,” he says. “But we can’t win a war that way.”

When I raised these claims with a senior military officer, he said that some commanders have little choice in second-guessing orders from the top. At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to “retake” the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? “They don’t have the men or the weapons,” says the officer. “Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?”

In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.”

Since the start of the invasion, Ukraine has refused to release official counts of dead and wounded. But according to U.S. and European estimates, the toll has long surpassed 100,000 on each side of the war. It has eroded the ranks of Ukraine’s armed forces so badly that draft offices have been forced to call up ever older personnel, raising the average age of a soldier in Ukraine to around 43 years. “They’re grown men now, and they aren’t that healthy to begin with,” says the close aide to Zelensky. “This is Ukraine. Not Scandinavia.”

The Ukraine's old problems, foremost corruption, persist:

Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely. “Simon, you’re mistaken,” he says. “People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow.”

Knowing that the ship is sinking, this its probably what I would do too. Bring anything available onto my personal life raft and prepare for cutting its lines to the mother ship.

The Time piece is a signal. It announces the end of Zelenski's regime. I am sure that the National Security Council, as well as the State Department, is feverishly looking for an alternative – and for a face saving way to install it.

Someone seems to protect and promote Alexey Arestovich for exactly that purpose (machine translation):

After leaving the Presidential Office with a scandal in January 2023, Arestovich, although he began to criticize the actions of the authorities, nevertheless did it carefully until recently.

But right now, he's just slamming the ruling team.

Arestovich focuses on two things: the military decisions of the country's leadership and its domestic policy.

The second version: Arestovich enlisted the support of Americans who want to see more political diversity in Ukraine and are not interested in Zelensky's monopolization of power.

In favor of this version, they also use the fact mentioned above that the tightening of the rhetoric of the ex-adviser to the president's Office began after his trip to the United States. Also in this regard, they recall his interview with Gordon in early October, where he says that if the West decides to end the war without reaching the borders of 1991 and Zelensky resists this, then the president of Ukraine will be "changed" in the elections.

"It is possible that Arestovich is supported by a certain part of the Western elites, who care about the breadth of opinions in Ukraine. They say that the country can speak not only with Zelensky's voice, but there are also different critical opinions, " political analyst Ruslan Bortnik comments to Strana.

In its grand strategy the White House had sought to pivot to Asia. But the U.S. is – first in Ukraine, in a completely unnecessary conflict the U.S. itself has caused, and, with Gaza in flames, again in the Middle East.

In a recent talk in Australia John Mearsheimer takes a deep dive into this dilemma (video). He doesn't foresee a good outcome.

Comments

Certainly Zelensky is scum. If Ukraine had just told Russia ‘OK we’ll stay neutral and not join NATO now go away. Oh, but keep subsidizing our energy bills.” All of this could have been avoided and – corrupt as the country is – the average Ukrainian could have lived their lives, had a few beers with friends, raised children etc. Instead he trashed the country, one way or the other it will never recover, and for nothing. Though don’t shed too many tears, I’m sure Zelensky will live a very nice life in Italy or Israel or whatever. Probably get a huge advance for publishing his memoirs, as reward for services rendered.
But one thing we need to remember: I don’t think Ukraine can negotiate for peace. I don’t think Putin will accept that. Putin got suckered once before, he knows that any ceasefire will just let the west rebuild Ukraine’s army and Putin would have to fight this war all over again. I can’t read minds but I would think that Putin will now stop at nothing less than the total collapse of Ukraine.
IMHO Zelensky’s only chance is to hunker down in the defensive – where modern weapons let even small forces hold off large forces – and keep launching attacks into Russia, hoping to cause enough pain that Russia attacks sites in western Europe and brings NATO directly into the war. What else can he do?

Posted by: TG | Oct 31 2023 12:55 utc | 101

Certainly Zelensky is scum. If Ukraine had just told Russia ‘OK we’ll stay neutral and not join NATO now go away. Oh, but keep subsidizing our energy bills.” All of this could have been avoided and – corrupt as the country is – the average Ukrainian could have lived their lives, had a few beers with friends, raised children etc. Instead he trashed the country, one way or the other it will never recover, and for nothing. Though don’t shed too many tears, I’m sure Zelensky will live a very nice life in Italy or Israel or whatever. Probably get a huge advance for publishing his memoirs, as reward for services rendered.
But one thing we need to remember: I don’t think Ukraine can negotiate for peace. I don’t think Putin will accept that. Putin got suckered once before, he knows that any ceasefire will just let the west rebuild Ukraine’s army and Putin would have to fight this war all over again. I can’t read minds but I would think that Putin will now stop at nothing less than the total collapse of Ukraine.
IMHO Zelensky’s only chance is to hunker down in the defensive – where modern weapons let even small forces hold off large forces – and keep launching attacks into Russia, hoping to cause enough pain that Russia attacks sites in western Europe and brings NATO directly into the war. What else can he do?

Posted by: TG | Oct 31 2023 12:55 utc | 102

@ Posted by: Red Outsider | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 52
I think you mis-judge the west.
I think they see corruption as a feature to be exploited.

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:55 utc | 103

@ Posted by: Red Outsider | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 52
I think you mis-judge the west.
I think they see corruption as a feature to be exploited.

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:55 utc | 104

I mean, ya gotta laugh. Every sane person in the world knew it was coming — that Zelensky would be betrayed by the US as soon as he lost usefulness and Putin gained irreversible ascendency! Everyone except the Kiev gang, that is.
People are saying he has become deluded. Lol. He was deluded since long ago — since his TV show role. THAT’S how and why he could be made a puppet. Duh!
All I can say is “Phew, thank god he will soon be off the stage”.
Happy days.

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 31 2023 12:58 utc | 105

I mean, ya gotta laugh. Every sane person in the world knew it was coming — that Zelensky would be betrayed by the US as soon as he lost usefulness and Putin gained irreversible ascendency! Everyone except the Kiev gang, that is.
People are saying he has become deluded. Lol. He was deluded since long ago — since his TV show role. THAT’S how and why he could be made a puppet. Duh!
All I can say is “Phew, thank god he will soon be off the stage”.
Happy days.

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 31 2023 12:58 utc | 106

In retrospect, the endless bleating about Ukraine’s imperatives for success announced from day-1 that they had already lost.
In this age of information, I would expect the pragmatic planners of empire here in the States knew it was false cause from the get-go.
I mean this with all the implications of sadism, betrayal, and malingering greed that such an observations imply.
Even the most contrary are somehow working for the dark side of these disparate states.
Thinking back on Nordstream sabotage, it was such a brazen act of desperation it might have well been accompanied by a Times headline announcing there was no chance for Z’s Ukraine: “U.S., tells Zelensky to go to hell, the actual war is elsewhere.”
Hersh has functioned as a stooge by making it seem like there was some open question of executive accountability towards Ukraine’s interests. There never was.
Why are we unable to fathom the obvious in its own time: A TV personality was hired to make a Russian territory seem like it belonged to Europe and that personality dutifully acted the part of a patriot by running pledge drives and bakesales all the way onto the floor of Congress. How could Z not know he was utterly bereft when Kamala Harris’s Congress gave him back his country’s own flag with their names written all over it. They handed him a pristine U.S. flag in a protective box, and scribbled on Ukraine’s flag with a sharpie like they were all signing autographs for the TV actor. How could the essential power dynamic be any clearer?
I watched all of Oliver Stone’s 2015–2017 interviews with Putin, and based on those interchanges I came to think that Putin has been dumbfounded and at a loss of any vocabulary for comprehending the United States. My guess is he sees US as insane.
I hang my head at the unnecessary losses, because this community, even at its most well-meaning, is part of the insanity. Looking back, there should never been any cause for discussion here about the U.S. prospects except out of pure ignorance, which is an embarrassment to a generation raised on the personal computer and the web.
I will use my powers of bullshitery to challenge this immediate culture of bullshitery: The same scandalous forces of Republican power have been at work for decades to wreck life around the world, while at every step celebrating their magnificence and majesty behind that wreckage, as if it is God’s gift.
It’s always one more step in a long tradition of supporting horrible policies, first and foremost against our own at home, so why do we feign surprise at the abuse of others.
We all know that there’s no light vs. dark in the corridors of U.S. power: a political ecology that would insist on a figurehead as craven and foolish as Trump has no counterpoint in an opposing party.
We’re trapped, and as long as the U.S. is trapped, the world is trapped, because the U.S. for all its hideous foibles is the center of the revolution of thought, however insane it may be.
Russia and China have no answers: they are merely counterpoints to our wretched state.
Exhausting.

Posted by: Arrnon | Oct 31 2023 13:03 utc | 107

In retrospect, the endless bleating about Ukraine’s imperatives for success announced from day-1 that they had already lost.
In this age of information, I would expect the pragmatic planners of empire here in the States knew it was false cause from the get-go.
I mean this with all the implications of sadism, betrayal, and malingering greed that such an observations imply.
Even the most contrary are somehow working for the dark side of these disparate states.
Thinking back on Nordstream sabotage, it was such a brazen act of desperation it might have well been accompanied by a Times headline announcing there was no chance for Z’s Ukraine: “U.S., tells Zelensky to go to hell, the actual war is elsewhere.”
Hersh has functioned as a stooge by making it seem like there was some open question of executive accountability towards Ukraine’s interests. There never was.
Why are we unable to fathom the obvious in its own time: A TV personality was hired to make a Russian territory seem like it belonged to Europe and that personality dutifully acted the part of a patriot by running pledge drives and bakesales all the way onto the floor of Congress. How could Z not know he was utterly bereft when Kamala Harris’s Congress gave him back his country’s own flag with their names written all over it. They handed him a pristine U.S. flag in a protective box, and scribbled on Ukraine’s flag with a sharpie like they were all signing autographs for the TV actor. How could the essential power dynamic be any clearer?
I watched all of Oliver Stone’s 2015–2017 interviews with Putin, and based on those interchanges I came to think that Putin has been dumbfounded and at a loss of any vocabulary for comprehending the United States. My guess is he sees US as insane.
I hang my head at the unnecessary losses, because this community, even at its most well-meaning, is part of the insanity. Looking back, there should never been any cause for discussion here about the U.S. prospects except out of pure ignorance, which is an embarrassment to a generation raised on the personal computer and the web.
I will use my powers of bullshitery to challenge this immediate culture of bullshitery: The same scandalous forces of Republican power have been at work for decades to wreck life around the world, while at every step celebrating their magnificence and majesty behind that wreckage, as if it is God’s gift.
It’s always one more step in a long tradition of supporting horrible policies, first and foremost against our own at home, so why do we feign surprise at the abuse of others.
We all know that there’s no light vs. dark in the corridors of U.S. power: a political ecology that would insist on a figurehead as craven and foolish as Trump has no counterpoint in an opposing party.
We’re trapped, and as long as the U.S. is trapped, the world is trapped, because the U.S. for all its hideous foibles is the center of the revolution of thought, however insane it may be.
Russia and China have no answers: they are merely counterpoints to our wretched state.
Exhausting.

Posted by: Arrnon | Oct 31 2023 13:03 utc | 108

Mearsheimer has been giving nearly the same speech on Ukraine many times since 2015, correctly predicting that the attempt to move Ukraine into NATO was leading that country “down a primrose path” to being “wrecked” by Russia. Yet in all the many iterations of this speech I’ve watched, he has specifically defined Russia as not a peer competitor with the US. Until this speech last week in Australia wherein he now adopts the view that the world is now multipolar, with two relatively equal poles of US and China, with Russia a third, sort of less equal pole. In this Australia talk he explicitly pushes the idea that it is necessary for the US to “pivot” to Asia, and he is clearly frustrated that Ukraine, and now Israel/Palestine, prevents that from happening. In short his worldview precludes the kind of multipolarity envisioned by BRICS+ in which the largest economy does not unilaterally determine the development of the smaller economies [contrast Mearsheimer’s view with Michael Hudson’s view of developing multipolarity].

Posted by: mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 109

Mearsheimer has been giving nearly the same speech on Ukraine many times since 2015, correctly predicting that the attempt to move Ukraine into NATO was leading that country “down a primrose path” to being “wrecked” by Russia. Yet in all the many iterations of this speech I’ve watched, he has specifically defined Russia as not a peer competitor with the US. Until this speech last week in Australia wherein he now adopts the view that the world is now multipolar, with two relatively equal poles of US and China, with Russia a third, sort of less equal pole. In this Australia talk he explicitly pushes the idea that it is necessary for the US to “pivot” to Asia, and he is clearly frustrated that Ukraine, and now Israel/Palestine, prevents that from happening. In short his worldview precludes the kind of multipolarity envisioned by BRICS+ in which the largest economy does not unilaterally determine the development of the smaller economies [contrast Mearsheimer’s view with Michael Hudson’s view of developing multipolarity].

Posted by: mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 110

How many more of the foreign policy farces must we endure before America matures?

Posted by: Northern Observer | Oct 31 2023 13:27 utc | 111

How many more of the foreign policy farces must we endure before America matures?

Posted by: Northern Observer | Oct 31 2023 13:27 utc | 112

Zelensky has been the perfect fit for President of Ukraine ….. the Ukrainians got what they deserved and got exactly what they voted for.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:32 utc | 113

Zelensky has been the perfect fit for President of Ukraine ….. the Ukrainians got what they deserved and got exactly what they voted for.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:32 utc | 114

Fascinating how fast Zelensky goes from being a modern day Churchill to a scapegoat. Zelensky may be intransigent, but he doesn’t run the show…as Gerhard Schroeder revealed in an interview with Berliner Zeitung. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/former-german-leader-schroeder-divulges-more-on-russia-ukraine-peace-deal-that-seemed-within-reach/ar-AA1iLthT
If Zelensky had ever bothered to study history, he would have known that that’s exactly what happened to Ngo Dinh Diem, who was assassinated shortly after the US blessed a coup against him.
Now Blinkered Biden needs someone to blame…just in time for election season.

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 31 2023 13:35 utc | 115

Fascinating how fast Zelensky goes from being a modern day Churchill to a scapegoat. Zelensky may be intransigent, but he doesn’t run the show…as Gerhard Schroeder revealed in an interview with Berliner Zeitung. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/former-german-leader-schroeder-divulges-more-on-russia-ukraine-peace-deal-that-seemed-within-reach/ar-AA1iLthT
If Zelensky had ever bothered to study history, he would have known that that’s exactly what happened to Ngo Dinh Diem, who was assassinated shortly after the US blessed a coup against him.
Now Blinkered Biden needs someone to blame…just in time for election season.

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 31 2023 13:35 utc | 116

Anyone left in Washington, DC or the EU who still believes in the delusion of Ukrainian victory had better pray to God that Putin does not launch a multi front attack against the depleted and reportedly highly demoralized UA.
If the Russians should suddenly decide to attack, everything east of the Dnieper River along with the capture of the vital port city of Odessa will be up for grabs. After that, who really knows, but if I were in Ukraine without a visa out, I might be watching Poland. NATO’s loyal member also appears to look a bit hungry these days.

Posted by: Packard | Oct 31 2023 13:35 utc | 117

Anyone left in Washington, DC or the EU who still believes in the delusion of Ukrainian victory had better pray to God that Putin does not launch a multi front attack against the depleted and reportedly highly demoralized UA.
If the Russians should suddenly decide to attack, everything east of the Dnieper River along with the capture of the vital port city of Odessa will be up for grabs. After that, who really knows, but if I were in Ukraine without a visa out, I might be watching Poland. NATO’s loyal member also appears to look a bit hungry these days.

Posted by: Packard | Oct 31 2023 13:35 utc | 118

Yes , the sooner your MI6 controllers can get rid of their proxy Nazis, who took their instructions from MI6 Boris Johnson not to make peace with Russia, Perfidious Albion can slough off responsbility for another genocide , the totally unnecessary murdering of one million soldiers in Ukraine, who elected Zelensky on a peace ticket with Russia
Why not crawl back into your Salisbury Novichok, perfume genie bottle from whence you came?

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 13:39 utc | 119

Yes , the sooner your MI6 controllers can get rid of their proxy Nazis, who took their instructions from MI6 Boris Johnson not to make peace with Russia, Perfidious Albion can slough off responsbility for another genocide , the totally unnecessary murdering of one million soldiers in Ukraine, who elected Zelensky on a peace ticket with Russia
Why not crawl back into your Salisbury Novichok, perfume genie bottle from whence you came?

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 13:39 utc | 120

Elensky and most of the Ukrainian government won’t concede because he literally makes more money every day, including dead Ukrainian soldiers.
Even if he wanted to – he would be immediately killed by the far-right types around him.
The only way this agony ends for Ukraine is a popular uprising; what we are witnessing now is a sad race between ruthless state repression and the percentage of Ukraine’s population with nothing to lose by rising up. There are many historical examples where this went on far longer than anyone thought was possible.
The only potential exit is an AFU collapse a la Germany 1918.
Gaza 10/7/2023 means this has become far more likely, far sooner.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 121

Elensky and most of the Ukrainian government won’t concede because he literally makes more money every day, including dead Ukrainian soldiers.
Even if he wanted to – he would be immediately killed by the far-right types around him.
The only way this agony ends for Ukraine is a popular uprising; what we are witnessing now is a sad race between ruthless state repression and the percentage of Ukraine’s population with nothing to lose by rising up. There are many historical examples where this went on far longer than anyone thought was possible.
The only potential exit is an AFU collapse a la Germany 1918.
Gaza 10/7/2023 means this has become far more likely, far sooner.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 122

Zelensky has been the perfect fit for President of Ukraine ….. the Ukrainians got what they deserved and got exactly what they voted for.

Zelensky was elected on a peace with Russia platform. He was a Trojan horse like Obama ‘ima close guantanamo’. Feel sorry for the Ukrainians whose democracy like all others was subverted in service of a foreign state. The majority wanted peace.
The fact Zelensky will rot in hell is entirely on him not the voters who were lied to.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 123

Zelensky has been the perfect fit for President of Ukraine ….. the Ukrainians got what they deserved and got exactly what they voted for.

Zelensky was elected on a peace with Russia platform. He was a Trojan horse like Obama ‘ima close guantanamo’. Feel sorry for the Ukrainians whose democracy like all others was subverted in service of a foreign state. The majority wanted peace.
The fact Zelensky will rot in hell is entirely on him not the voters who were lied to.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 124

@ mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57
You’re right about Mearsheimer, he’s full of shit and full of extreme unconscious pro-US Empire biases.
China is not a threat either. The US is bat shit crazy Paranoid from top to bottom. His pro-Israel anti-Palestinian bias is equally telling — like all Americans and westerners he is thoroughly brainwashed and doesn’t even know it.
I appreciate his factual historical knowledge but his pathetic word choices (and framing of the discussion points) signal the mental discrepancies he lives within. He does not get it … and yes, he is also a broken record.
See Australian lecture …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FCVJycwSA

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:41 utc | 125

@ mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57
You’re right about Mearsheimer, he’s full of shit and full of extreme unconscious pro-US Empire biases.
China is not a threat either. The US is bat shit crazy Paranoid from top to bottom. His pro-Israel anti-Palestinian bias is equally telling — like all Americans and westerners he is thoroughly brainwashed and doesn’t even know it.
I appreciate his factual historical knowledge but his pathetic word choices (and framing of the discussion points) signal the mental discrepancies he lives within. He does not get it … and yes, he is also a broken record.
See Australian lecture …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FCVJycwSA

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:41 utc | 126

@Arrnon #56

In this age of information, I would expect the pragmatic planners of empire here in the States knew it was false cause from the get-go.

I don’t know why anyone thinks there are “pragmatic planners of empire” in the US or West overall, period.
In what universe is uniting China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Brazil, Egypt, Ethiopia, India and South Africa in a defensive relationship, a good idea?
And to empoverish Europe in the process?
It is literally like the West’s “pragmatic planners” are doing the diametric opposite of Western policy ever since the Halford Mackinder era.
A far more likely explanation is uncompetence. Incompetence is too mild a word to describe what is happening; uncompetence is doing literally the exact opposite of what competence dictates.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 31 2023 13:46 utc | 127

@Arrnon #56

In this age of information, I would expect the pragmatic planners of empire here in the States knew it was false cause from the get-go.

I don’t know why anyone thinks there are “pragmatic planners of empire” in the US or West overall, period.
In what universe is uniting China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Brazil, Egypt, Ethiopia, India and South Africa in a defensive relationship, a good idea?
And to empoverish Europe in the process?
It is literally like the West’s “pragmatic planners” are doing the diametric opposite of Western policy ever since the Halford Mackinder era.
A far more likely explanation is uncompetence. Incompetence is too mild a word to describe what is happening; uncompetence is doing literally the exact opposite of what competence dictates.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 31 2023 13:46 utc | 128

The word for actors without employment is’ resting’. Maybe he’s researching another role starring as Hitler to obfuscate Britain’s perfidious pitching of Nazis against the Soviet Union.
Killing two birds with one evil stone.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 13:46 utc | 129

The word for actors without employment is’ resting’. Maybe he’s researching another role starring as Hitler to obfuscate Britain’s perfidious pitching of Nazis against the Soviet Union.
Killing two birds with one evil stone.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 13:46 utc | 130

…… the voters who were lied to.
@ Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 64
Not so. The Voters were as dumb as dirt, greedy and as corrupt and lazy as hell on earth.
Instead of the Voters bombing Donestc and joining the fucking army they could have burnt the Presidents Office to the ground.
Fuck ’em. They got what they deserved another fucking asswipe as President and another 5 years of Corrupt Criminal Ukrainian Government.
They should have grown the fuck up after 2014 ….. I’m on the other side of the world and I could see how fucked up Ukraine and what a FRAUD Zelensky was …. in 2019 they elected this fake Jewish asshole, this COWARD, and did what the Jewish billionaire who promoted him told them to do …. Fuck ’em they got what they Voted for – DEATH by the hundreds of thousands!
Do not make excuses for these Losers people.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 131

…… the voters who were lied to.
@ Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 64
Not so. The Voters were as dumb as dirt, greedy and as corrupt and lazy as hell on earth.
Instead of the Voters bombing Donestc and joining the fucking army they could have burnt the Presidents Office to the ground.
Fuck ’em. They got what they deserved another fucking asswipe as President and another 5 years of Corrupt Criminal Ukrainian Government.
They should have grown the fuck up after 2014 ….. I’m on the other side of the world and I could see how fucked up Ukraine and what a FRAUD Zelensky was …. in 2019 they elected this fake Jewish asshole, this COWARD, and did what the Jewish billionaire who promoted him told them to do …. Fuck ’em they got what they Voted for – DEATH by the hundreds of thousands!
Do not make excuses for these Losers people.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 132

If Steiner attacks, everything will be alright.

Posted by: Sentient | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 133

If Steiner attacks, everything will be alright.

Posted by: Sentient | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 134

@mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57
Thanks for your summary and commentary. Saves me the time for watching Mearsheimer’s lecture.

Posted by: tawharanui | Oct 31 2023 13:52 utc | 135

@mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57
Thanks for your summary and commentary. Saves me the time for watching Mearsheimer’s lecture.

Posted by: tawharanui | Oct 31 2023 13:52 utc | 136

re: If Steiner attacks, everything will be alright.
Posted by: Sentient | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 69
Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning.

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 31 2023 14:00 utc | 137

re: If Steiner attacks, everything will be alright.
Posted by: Sentient | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 69
Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning.

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 31 2023 14:00 utc | 138

Do you hold Maerica to the same standard? Given that it has a stage managed democracy and is by far the primary cause of the world’s current half second to midnight state.
Should Maericans be collectively assuming the guilt of their policies? Despite the fact most are deluded / drug addicted/ impoverished ? I mean to some extent yes they do. But it’s complex.
I guess at the end of the day I see people as essentially misled children. The enemy is ignorance and stupidity. The cure is knowledge. The problem is professional lies and propaganda, greed and hubris.
Zoroastrianism conceptualized evil as ignorance (Ahriman) and good as knowledge and wisdom (Ahura Mazda). This seems pretty on the nose to me.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 14:01 utc | 139

Do you hold Maerica to the same standard? Given that it has a stage managed democracy and is by far the primary cause of the world’s current half second to midnight state.
Should Maericans be collectively assuming the guilt of their policies? Despite the fact most are deluded / drug addicted/ impoverished ? I mean to some extent yes they do. But it’s complex.
I guess at the end of the day I see people as essentially misled children. The enemy is ignorance and stupidity. The cure is knowledge. The problem is professional lies and propaganda, greed and hubris.
Zoroastrianism conceptualized evil as ignorance (Ahriman) and good as knowledge and wisdom (Ahura Mazda). This seems pretty on the nose to me.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 14:01 utc | 140

I’ll say it again, ZELENSKY IS A JUDAS GOAT!

Posted by: Gurrker | Oct 31 2023 14:06 utc | 141

I’ll say it again, ZELENSKY IS A JUDAS GOAT!

Posted by: Gurrker | Oct 31 2023 14:06 utc | 142

Now here’s the problem the West has:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 31 2023 10:29 utc | 22
Medvedev. To start.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 31 2023 14:08 utc | 143

Now here’s the problem the West has:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 31 2023 10:29 utc | 22
Medvedev. To start.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 31 2023 14:08 utc | 144

Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:32 utc | 59–
As I recall, Zelensky campaigned for peace and was elected on that basis. Thus, voters voted for peace but were betrayed and further propagandized to hate all things Russian, which in reality meant hating themselves. The lucky ones were those who left Ukraine before 2022 and those who surrendered and refused to be repatriated in prisoner exchanges. Some of those ex-prisoners are now in the Russian Army.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 31 2023 14:13 utc | 145

Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:32 utc | 59–
As I recall, Zelensky campaigned for peace and was elected on that basis. Thus, voters voted for peace but were betrayed and further propagandized to hate all things Russian, which in reality meant hating themselves. The lucky ones were those who left Ukraine before 2022 and those who surrendered and refused to be repatriated in prisoner exchanges. Some of those ex-prisoners are now in the Russian Army.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 31 2023 14:13 utc | 146

In short his worldview precludes the kind of multipolarity envisioned by BRICS+
Posted by: mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57
BRI. Big turnout for the convention

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 31 2023 14:14 utc | 147

In short his worldview precludes the kind of multipolarity envisioned by BRICS+
Posted by: mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57
BRI. Big turnout for the convention

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 31 2023 14:14 utc | 148

The captain of a Ukrainian ship refused to return to his homeland, fearing mobilization
According to the Bulgarian newspaper “Flagship”, the captain of the cargo ship “Izmail”, which has been standing in the Bulgarian port of Burgas for more than a week, said he was ready to take a course anywhere except Ukraine.
@ukr_leaks_eng

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1719267356025737412

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 14:20 utc | 149

The captain of a Ukrainian ship refused to return to his homeland, fearing mobilization
According to the Bulgarian newspaper “Flagship”, the captain of the cargo ship “Izmail”, which has been standing in the Bulgarian port of Burgas for more than a week, said he was ready to take a course anywhere except Ukraine.
@ukr_leaks_eng

https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1719267356025737412

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 14:20 utc | 150

Bubbles burst. That’s how it is. I don’t see how Zelensky rides this out ( or Netanyahu for that matter). Who would give him asylum? I have doubts about the US doing that. I think he might claim return as a Jew to Israel. That’s about it.
Ukraine is a game of Jenga. We think the army will collapse or rebel but the End could come from any number of directions. The best outcome for me is that Zaluzhny does a coup, declares a ceasefire and gives a Mannerheim speech ( which I think he once mentioned !). He might be the only leader with any credibility left.
Is local rebellion possible? Could a branch of the army declare themselves “out”? I still think Odessa should go independent.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 31 2023 14:22 utc | 151

Bubbles burst. That’s how it is. I don’t see how Zelensky rides this out ( or Netanyahu for that matter). Who would give him asylum? I have doubts about the US doing that. I think he might claim return as a Jew to Israel. That’s about it.
Ukraine is a game of Jenga. We think the army will collapse or rebel but the End could come from any number of directions. The best outcome for me is that Zaluzhny does a coup, declares a ceasefire and gives a Mannerheim speech ( which I think he once mentioned !). He might be the only leader with any credibility left.
Is local rebellion possible? Could a branch of the army declare themselves “out”? I still think Odessa should go independent.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 31 2023 14:22 utc | 152

@ Posted by: Arrnon | Oct 31 2023 13:03 utc | 56
“ We’re trapped, and as long as the U.S. is trapped, the world is trapped, because the U.S. for all its hideous foibles is the center of the revolution of thought, however insane it may be.
Russia and China have no answers: they are merely counterpoints to our wretched state.”
I thought you were making sense until that “center of the revolution of thought”
Wtf ? What revolution of thought? What makes it a centre? Unless you mean a center as in a shopping center. Lots of choice as in Ford T’sin any colour as long as it’s black.
Don’t forget the dumb daily oath all have to take and USA USA USA – mindlessness.
The absurd evangelicals , the gun bearers, the fucking survivalists , the titty bars and the porn industry and a complete mindless culture – the only good one that came out was from the Rhythm and Blues of the unwilling Slaves. The willing slaves who throw themselves into that continent on a lie of Get Rich Quick – mostly end up with a useless lottery ticket – like all lotteries.
To be sure there has been a never ending stream of ‘Thought’ coming out of EurAsia for many Millenia and they have just resumed that Normal Service.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 31 2023 14:26 utc | 153

@ Posted by: Arrnon | Oct 31 2023 13:03 utc | 56
“ We’re trapped, and as long as the U.S. is trapped, the world is trapped, because the U.S. for all its hideous foibles is the center of the revolution of thought, however insane it may be.
Russia and China have no answers: they are merely counterpoints to our wretched state.”
I thought you were making sense until that “center of the revolution of thought”
Wtf ? What revolution of thought? What makes it a centre? Unless you mean a center as in a shopping center. Lots of choice as in Ford T’sin any colour as long as it’s black.
Don’t forget the dumb daily oath all have to take and USA USA USA – mindlessness.
The absurd evangelicals , the gun bearers, the fucking survivalists , the titty bars and the porn industry and a complete mindless culture – the only good one that came out was from the Rhythm and Blues of the unwilling Slaves. The willing slaves who throw themselves into that continent on a lie of Get Rich Quick – mostly end up with a useless lottery ticket – like all lotteries.
To be sure there has been a never ending stream of ‘Thought’ coming out of EurAsia for many Millenia and they have just resumed that Normal Service.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 31 2023 14:26 utc | 154

◾ Ukrainian Nazi, war criminal and Azov commander Dmitro Kukharchuk talks on TV about how Ukraine is losing the war. At the same time, he notes that Ukrainian propaganda is to blame for everything:
– Today I am sincerely sure that strategically we will lose the war… I notice the narrative in the Ukrainian media, that we are fighting with the bums, that the Russian army does not know how to fight, that the victory will be in a week, in two, well, maybe at most in a month. That in the beginning of spring, then in the summer, then in the fall, then in the winter…
◾Dmitro Kukharchuk is a favourite of US officials, having previously paraded around Ukraine of US Congresswoman Victoria Spartz.

https://t.me/geromanat/13152
Subtitled video in link

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 14:30 utc | 155

◾ Ukrainian Nazi, war criminal and Azov commander Dmitro Kukharchuk talks on TV about how Ukraine is losing the war. At the same time, he notes that Ukrainian propaganda is to blame for everything:
– Today I am sincerely sure that strategically we will lose the war… I notice the narrative in the Ukrainian media, that we are fighting with the bums, that the Russian army does not know how to fight, that the victory will be in a week, in two, well, maybe at most in a month. That in the beginning of spring, then in the summer, then in the fall, then in the winter…
◾Dmitro Kukharchuk is a favourite of US officials, having previously paraded around Ukraine of US Congresswoman Victoria Spartz.

https://t.me/geromanat/13152
Subtitled video in link

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 14:30 utc | 156

the best sign for it to be lost will be Hollywood productions hitting “a theatre near you” which are already in the making, only question who will play Z?

Posted by: AG | Oct 31 2023 14:34 utc | 157

the best sign for it to be lost will be Hollywood productions hitting “a theatre near you” which are already in the making, only question who will play Z?

Posted by: AG | Oct 31 2023 14:34 utc | 158

The “Too Big To Fail” Scam refilled the coffers of the Copper Pot Pedlars in control of the Image Department.
Whether the USSA can pull off another “rob the poor to enrich the few” chosen again is debatable. This applies to Ukraine and Palestine.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 31 2023 14:38 utc | 159

The “Too Big To Fail” Scam refilled the coffers of the Copper Pot Pedlars in control of the Image Department.
Whether the USSA can pull off another “rob the poor to enrich the few” chosen again is debatable. This applies to Ukraine and Palestine.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 31 2023 14:38 utc | 160

Ok so there are few options we have for the Z-Man.
Whacked by your own security in a military coup style event….fitting.
Fake your own death, and repair to Epstein Island. Hey don’t knock this underrated escape plan!
Lose an actual “election” and attempt to escape. Could get messy, I’ll bet you can rule out 75% of your estates due to “safety issues”
Get blind drunk and railed to the gills on the last of your blow, and swan dive from 23 stories. What a way to go!
Lead the final charge, and in doing so perish like the hero you so desperately want to be.

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 31 2023 14:56 utc | 161

Ok so there are few options we have for the Z-Man.
Whacked by your own security in a military coup style event….fitting.
Fake your own death, and repair to Epstein Island. Hey don’t knock this underrated escape plan!
Lose an actual “election” and attempt to escape. Could get messy, I’ll bet you can rule out 75% of your estates due to “safety issues”
Get blind drunk and railed to the gills on the last of your blow, and swan dive from 23 stories. What a way to go!
Lead the final charge, and in doing so perish like the hero you so desperately want to be.

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 31 2023 14:56 utc | 162

John Mearsheimer is an idiot. A populist, so-called great whatever…
peer competitor b.s.

Posted by: Kim Sky | Oct 31 2023 14:57 utc | 163

John Mearsheimer is an idiot. A populist, so-called great whatever…
peer competitor b.s.

Posted by: Kim Sky | Oct 31 2023 14:57 utc | 164

@ mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57
You’re right about Mearsheimer, he’s full of shit and full of extreme unconscious pro-US Empire biases.
China is not a threat either. The US is bat shit crazy Paranoid from top to bottom. His pro-Israel anti-Palestinian bias is equally telling — like all Americans and westerners he is thoroughly brainwashed and doesn’t even know it.
I appreciate his factual historical knowledge but his pathetic word choices (and framing of the discussion points) signal the mental discrepancies he lives within. He does not get it … and yes, he is also a broken record.
See Australian lecture …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FCVJycwSA
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:41 utc | 65

With due respect, unlike Mearsheimer, you seem to have forgotten whom he was addressing. The audience was a gaggle of AmeriKkka 1st, jewed-up political ‘consultancy’ suckholes in lap-dog Oz. In fact exactly the same sort of self-enriching suckholes who populate ‘both sides’ (cough cough) of Labor/Liberal politics in Oz.
His entire address was based on telling them exactly what he knew they wanted to hear. Had he begun by spouting facts and realty, he’d still be explaining it. And he managed to cover all of the salient parts of his thesis without offending one obedient Drone.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 31 2023 15:09 utc | 165

@ mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57
You’re right about Mearsheimer, he’s full of shit and full of extreme unconscious pro-US Empire biases.
China is not a threat either. The US is bat shit crazy Paranoid from top to bottom. His pro-Israel anti-Palestinian bias is equally telling — like all Americans and westerners he is thoroughly brainwashed and doesn’t even know it.
I appreciate his factual historical knowledge but his pathetic word choices (and framing of the discussion points) signal the mental discrepancies he lives within. He does not get it … and yes, he is also a broken record.
See Australian lecture …. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FCVJycwSA
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:41 utc | 65

With due respect, unlike Mearsheimer, you seem to have forgotten whom he was addressing. The audience was a gaggle of AmeriKkka 1st, jewed-up political ‘consultancy’ suckholes in lap-dog Oz. In fact exactly the same sort of self-enriching suckholes who populate ‘both sides’ (cough cough) of Labor/Liberal politics in Oz.
His entire address was based on telling them exactly what he knew they wanted to hear. Had he begun by spouting facts and realty, he’d still be explaining it. And he managed to cover all of the salient parts of his thesis without offending one obedient Drone.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 31 2023 15:09 utc | 166

Just listened to the Mearsheimer lecture. He’s right about the number fatal mistakes America made, but what a psychopath. America should have teamed up with Russia to “get” China? Never mind all the destruction and lives lost. And for what? To remain #1? He shouldn’t be surprised at what comes America’s way.

Posted by: RobertNW | Oct 31 2023 15:14 utc | 167

Just listened to the Mearsheimer lecture. He’s right about the number fatal mistakes America made, but what a psychopath. America should have teamed up with Russia to “get” China? Never mind all the destruction and lives lost. And for what? To remain #1? He shouldn’t be surprised at what comes America’s way.

Posted by: RobertNW | Oct 31 2023 15:14 utc | 168

You guys don’t understand. This war isn’t ending anytime soon. The Ukrainians don’t care about their losses, they just want to kill Russians. This may sound insane to normal thinking peoples, but most Ukrainians aren’t right in the head. So there’s no rush to negotiate as long as Ukrainians are still willing to fight and die for Zelensky. They are still partying hard in Kiev and the northern and western 2/3 of the country.

Posted by: bored | Oct 31 2023 15:22 utc | 169

You guys don’t understand. This war isn’t ending anytime soon. The Ukrainians don’t care about their losses, they just want to kill Russians. This may sound insane to normal thinking peoples, but most Ukrainians aren’t right in the head. So there’s no rush to negotiate as long as Ukrainians are still willing to fight and die for Zelensky. They are still partying hard in Kiev and the northern and western 2/3 of the country.

Posted by: bored | Oct 31 2023 15:22 utc | 170

Denazification continues.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/11644

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 31 2023 15:24 utc | 171

Denazification continues.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/11644

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 31 2023 15:24 utc | 172

“He claims that at the beginning of the war, all Ukrainians were ready to defend the country, there were many volunteers. But after the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kiev, the situation changed.”

Except for the millions who fled the country when the war started, … yeah. (Even before the invasion I remember reading stories about young Ukrainian men hiding out the forests to avoid being sent to fight against the breakaway Donbas.)

Posted by: Jonathan Canuck | Oct 31 2023 15:27 utc | 173

“He claims that at the beginning of the war, all Ukrainians were ready to defend the country, there were many volunteers. But after the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kiev, the situation changed.”

Except for the millions who fled the country when the war started, … yeah. (Even before the invasion I remember reading stories about young Ukrainian men hiding out the forests to avoid being sent to fight against the breakaway Donbas.)

Posted by: Jonathan Canuck | Oct 31 2023 15:27 utc | 174

Don’t kid yourselves. As long as people of influence and authority in the United States want the war to continue, it will continue.
Johnson already is showing signs of having caved.
We’ve been down this road before.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:28 utc | 175

Don’t kid yourselves. As long as people of influence and authority in the United States want the war to continue, it will continue.
Johnson already is showing signs of having caved.
We’ve been down this road before.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:28 utc | 176

Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24
The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time.

Good point. If the Ukrainians think the Israelis persuaded the West to abandon them so they could focus on supplying weapons for the slaughter of Gazans (“hey, you said you had no weapons left for us here in Ukraine, but sent 50 Galaxy cargo plane-loads to Israel in the space of a week!”) then I could see antisemitism exploding there… and a serious backlash against “Jewish” Zelenskyy, who might even be seen to be collaborating with Israel to ensure they’re getting the weapons they need before the g0yim in Ukraine.

Posted by: Observer | Oct 31 2023 15:31 utc | 177

Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24
The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time.

Good point. If the Ukrainians think the Israelis persuaded the West to abandon them so they could focus on supplying weapons for the slaughter of Gazans (“hey, you said you had no weapons left for us here in Ukraine, but sent 50 Galaxy cargo plane-loads to Israel in the space of a week!”) then I could see antisemitism exploding there… and a serious backlash against “Jewish” Zelenskyy, who might even be seen to be collaborating with Israel to ensure they’re getting the weapons they need before the g0yim in Ukraine.

Posted by: Observer | Oct 31 2023 15:31 utc | 178

““Freezing the war, to me, means losing it,” [Zelensky] says.”
Well, yes. But pursuing the war means losing it as well.
Losing is the default and the inevitable expectation.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 31 2023 15:32 utc | 179

““Freezing the war, to me, means losing it,” [Zelensky] says.”
Well, yes. But pursuing the war means losing it as well.
Losing is the default and the inevitable expectation.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 31 2023 15:32 utc | 180

Time will tell:
Now:

As they have debated the future of the war, one issue has remained taboo: the possibility of negotiating a peace deal with the Russians.​​​​Judging by recent surveys
most Ukrainians would reject such a move, especially if it entailed the loss of any occupied territory.

Seriously?
If you lived in East Germany before The Wall fell
and there was a knock on the door
and it was someone doing “a survey”
you would certainly look behind you, to your left and then to your right,
before you gave an answer. And, unless you had been drinking heavily for three straight days,
you would only give the answers that you believed would keep the official thugs away.
How different is it in Ukraine now?
“Survery?!, you want me to answer questions? what did I do wrong? I haven’t done anything. Trust me, I am loyal.”

Posted by: librul | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 181

Time will tell:
Now:

As they have debated the future of the war, one issue has remained taboo: the possibility of negotiating a peace deal with the Russians.​​​​Judging by recent surveys
most Ukrainians would reject such a move, especially if it entailed the loss of any occupied territory.

Seriously?
If you lived in East Germany before The Wall fell
and there was a knock on the door
and it was someone doing “a survey”
you would certainly look behind you, to your left and then to your right,
before you gave an answer. And, unless you had been drinking heavily for three straight days,
you would only give the answers that you believed would keep the official thugs away.
How different is it in Ukraine now?
“Survery?!, you want me to answer questions? what did I do wrong? I haven’t done anything. Trust me, I am loyal.”

Posted by: librul | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 182

“Our source reports that the Western lobby behind the scenes gave Zelensky an ultimatum.
Either he begins the process of peace negotiations-truce-freeze of the conflict, or financial and military assistance will gradually decrease until it drops to “zero”. At this moment, a lot of negative articles against ZeErmak will be published in the West.
The source indicates that so far we are only talking about negotiations/truce/freeze, without any signed official agreements like the Minsk agreements.
Zelensky hopes that the Israeli case will soon end with the victory of the Jews and the collective West, the British will back up Zelensky, and in 2024 Kiev will be helped by Chisinau, which will reactivate the second front by starting the Transnistrian crisis.
Zelensky is in a difficult situation now, but he can safely raise the stakes. When and to what extent, time will tell.
https://t.me/legitimniy/16592
Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 10:03 utc | 18″
A protracted war in the Middle East is the worst case scenario for Zelenskii, as it distracts the attention of his sponsors and sucks up munitions that are needed to keep the Kiev regime afloat.
A quick Israeli victory is an ideal boost for the Kiev regime, as it gives the West confidence that its wars are easily winnable.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 183

“Our source reports that the Western lobby behind the scenes gave Zelensky an ultimatum.
Either he begins the process of peace negotiations-truce-freeze of the conflict, or financial and military assistance will gradually decrease until it drops to “zero”. At this moment, a lot of negative articles against ZeErmak will be published in the West.
The source indicates that so far we are only talking about negotiations/truce/freeze, without any signed official agreements like the Minsk agreements.
Zelensky hopes that the Israeli case will soon end with the victory of the Jews and the collective West, the British will back up Zelensky, and in 2024 Kiev will be helped by Chisinau, which will reactivate the second front by starting the Transnistrian crisis.
Zelensky is in a difficult situation now, but he can safely raise the stakes. When and to what extent, time will tell.
https://t.me/legitimniy/16592
Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 10:03 utc | 18″
A protracted war in the Middle East is the worst case scenario for Zelenskii, as it distracts the attention of his sponsors and sucks up munitions that are needed to keep the Kiev regime afloat.
A quick Israeli victory is an ideal boost for the Kiev regime, as it gives the West confidence that its wars are easily winnable.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 184

New Russian bio briefing. Includes new activities in Ukraine, possibility of bio false flag. In Russian so will require machine translation.
https://telegra.ph/Materialy-brifinga-po-voenno-biologicheskoj-deyatelnosti-SSHA-10-31

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 31 2023 15:35 utc | 185

New Russian bio briefing. Includes new activities in Ukraine, possibility of bio false flag. In Russian so will require machine translation.
https://telegra.ph/Materialy-brifinga-po-voenno-biologicheskoj-deyatelnosti-SSHA-10-31

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 31 2023 15:35 utc | 186

“Zelenski still hasn’t. He won’t concede:
It’s obvious what’s going on with Zelensky.
Zelensky had a peace deal with Russia ready to go in March/April 2022.
BUT
Zelensky was told by the US/UK – by Boris/Biden/Blinken/Nuland etc. – NO DEAL – Boris/Biden/Blinken told Zelensky the US/UK would support Ukraine until victory and NOT TO SIGN ANY DEALS.
Zelensky had a deal – but was told TEAR IT UP OR WE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOU.
Zelensky is HOLDING US/UK to that promise.
It’s that simple.
If Ukraine loses – it is not Zelensky who will be proven WRONG (HE HAD A DEAL!) – it is the US/UK etc. who will be proven wrong.
That is his angle – and he will play it all the way. ALL THE WAY.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 31 2023 10:55 utc | 25”
A deal is worthless if you cannot enforce it.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:36 utc | 187

“Zelenski still hasn’t. He won’t concede:
It’s obvious what’s going on with Zelensky.
Zelensky had a peace deal with Russia ready to go in March/April 2022.
BUT
Zelensky was told by the US/UK – by Boris/Biden/Blinken/Nuland etc. – NO DEAL – Boris/Biden/Blinken told Zelensky the US/UK would support Ukraine until victory and NOT TO SIGN ANY DEALS.
Zelensky had a deal – but was told TEAR IT UP OR WE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOU.
Zelensky is HOLDING US/UK to that promise.
It’s that simple.
If Ukraine loses – it is not Zelensky who will be proven WRONG (HE HAD A DEAL!) – it is the US/UK etc. who will be proven wrong.
That is his angle – and he will play it all the way. ALL THE WAY.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 31 2023 10:55 utc | 25”
A deal is worthless if you cannot enforce it.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:36 utc | 188

“About his only realistic option is to flee the country, but where can he flee to, and using what transport? If he hangs in until Kyiv collapses, he can hope that, as P J O’Rourke put it, the USAF will Baby Doc him somewhere nice.
Posted by: MFB | Oct 31 2023 11:27 utc | 29”
How did this work for Saakashvili or Ghani?

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:37 utc | 189

“About his only realistic option is to flee the country, but where can he flee to, and using what transport? If he hangs in until Kyiv collapses, he can hope that, as P J O’Rourke put it, the USAF will Baby Doc him somewhere nice.
Posted by: MFB | Oct 31 2023 11:27 utc | 29”
How did this work for Saakashvili or Ghani?

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:37 utc | 190

“You guys don’t understand. This war isn’t ending anytime soon. The Ukrainians don’t care about their losses, they just want to kill Russians. This may sound insane to normal thinking peoples, but most Ukrainians aren’t right in the head. So there’s no rush to negotiate as long as Ukrainians are still willing to fight and die for Zelensky. They are still partying hard in Kiev and the northern and western 2/3 of the country.
Posted by: bored | Oct 31 2023 15:22 utc | 88”
So tell us about the lines of Ukrainian fanatics waiting in line at the recruiting offices so that they can get turned into hamburger.
I lived much of my adult life in Ukraine, although I have not a drop of Slavic blood in me. I speak Russian and more Ukrainian than most people living there. You really don’t know the Ukrainian mentality at all.
Basically, Ukrainians see The West as the Golden Land Where Institutions Basically Work. It isn’t that way at all, but that’s the perception. If hating their fathers and brothers is the price charged for admission to that Blessed Land, then that is the price that they will pay.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:48 utc | 191

“You guys don’t understand. This war isn’t ending anytime soon. The Ukrainians don’t care about their losses, they just want to kill Russians. This may sound insane to normal thinking peoples, but most Ukrainians aren’t right in the head. So there’s no rush to negotiate as long as Ukrainians are still willing to fight and die for Zelensky. They are still partying hard in Kiev and the northern and western 2/3 of the country.
Posted by: bored | Oct 31 2023 15:22 utc | 88”
So tell us about the lines of Ukrainian fanatics waiting in line at the recruiting offices so that they can get turned into hamburger.
I lived much of my adult life in Ukraine, although I have not a drop of Slavic blood in me. I speak Russian and more Ukrainian than most people living there. You really don’t know the Ukrainian mentality at all.
Basically, Ukrainians see The West as the Golden Land Where Institutions Basically Work. It isn’t that way at all, but that’s the perception. If hating their fathers and brothers is the price charged for admission to that Blessed Land, then that is the price that they will pay.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:48 utc | 192

“Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24
The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time.
Good point. If the Ukrainians think the Israelis persuaded the West to abandon them so they could focus on supplying weapons for the slaughter of Gazans (“hey, you said you had no weapons left for us here in Ukraine, but sent 50 Galaxy cargo plane-loads to Israel in the space of a week!”) then I could see antisemitism exploding there… and a serious backlash against “Jewish” Zelenskyy, who might even be seen to be collaborating with Israel to ensure they’re getting the weapons they need before the g0yim in Ukraine.
Posted by: Observer | Oct 31 2023 15:31 utc | 92″
There already is no shortage of antisemitism in Ukraine, although not as bad as Poland (another country I know well).

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:50 utc | 193

“Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24
The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time.
Good point. If the Ukrainians think the Israelis persuaded the West to abandon them so they could focus on supplying weapons for the slaughter of Gazans (“hey, you said you had no weapons left for us here in Ukraine, but sent 50 Galaxy cargo plane-loads to Israel in the space of a week!”) then I could see antisemitism exploding there… and a serious backlash against “Jewish” Zelenskyy, who might even be seen to be collaborating with Israel to ensure they’re getting the weapons they need before the g0yim in Ukraine.
Posted by: Observer | Oct 31 2023 15:31 utc | 92″
There already is no shortage of antisemitism in Ukraine, although not as bad as Poland (another country I know well).

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:50 utc | 194

The Time article had a photo of a man being loaded into an ambulance with caption claiming that he was injured by a missile strike in Kostiantynivka.
Say what? That is one attack on civilians that was finally admitted to be from the Kiev regime, unlike all the others, right?
To be sure, I put the name in a search engine. The first thing that popped up, as always, was Wikipedia, and damned if the first line of their article also claimed that Russia attacked the city.
I had to go down the line to get to the admission that it was actually a Kiev regime (Ukrainian, they call it), missile.
And then they have the nerve to pontificate and censor, in the name of “combatting misinformation”.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 31 2023 15:50 utc | 195

The Time article had a photo of a man being loaded into an ambulance with caption claiming that he was injured by a missile strike in Kostiantynivka.
Say what? That is one attack on civilians that was finally admitted to be from the Kiev regime, unlike all the others, right?
To be sure, I put the name in a search engine. The first thing that popped up, as always, was Wikipedia, and damned if the first line of their article also claimed that Russia attacked the city.
I had to go down the line to get to the admission that it was actually a Kiev regime (Ukrainian, they call it), missile.
And then they have the nerve to pontificate and censor, in the name of “combatting misinformation”.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 31 2023 15:50 utc | 196

The Time caption claimed that the man was injured by a Russian missile strike, sorry. I left that out.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 31 2023 15:51 utc | 197

The Time caption claimed that the man was injured by a Russian missile strike, sorry. I left that out.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 31 2023 15:51 utc | 198

“If you lived in East Germany before The Wall fell
and there was a knock on the door
and it was someone doing “a survey”
you would certainly look behind you, to your left and then to your right,
before you gave an answer. And, unless you had been drinking heavily for three straight days,
you would only give the answers that you believed would keep the official thugs away.
How different is it in Ukraine now?
“Survery?!, you want me to answer questions? what did I do wrong? I haven’t done anything. Trust me, I am loyal.”
Posted by: librul | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 94″
Shortly before the regime in Kabul fell, surveys purported to show that there was little support for the Taliban, that the government had problems but was generally supported by a substantial majority of respondents, etc..
Well, duh.
Even in a supposedly “blind” survey, there’s nothing to be gained and potentially much to be lost in telling the truth.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:52 utc | 199

“If you lived in East Germany before The Wall fell
and there was a knock on the door
and it was someone doing “a survey”
you would certainly look behind you, to your left and then to your right,
before you gave an answer. And, unless you had been drinking heavily for three straight days,
you would only give the answers that you believed would keep the official thugs away.
How different is it in Ukraine now?
“Survery?!, you want me to answer questions? what did I do wrong? I haven’t done anything. Trust me, I am loyal.”
Posted by: librul | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 94″
Shortly before the regime in Kabul fell, surveys purported to show that there was little support for the Taliban, that the government had problems but was generally supported by a substantial majority of respondents, etc..
Well, duh.
Even in a supposedly “blind” survey, there’s nothing to be gained and potentially much to be lost in telling the truth.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:52 utc | 200