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October 31, 2023

The War Is Lost - Zelenski Will Leave - The White House Has Failed

What a difference a year makes ...

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Time's big new story is quite revealing:

‘Nobody Believes in Our Victory Like I Do.’ Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the Fight - Time - Oct. 30, 2023

That offensive has proceeded at an excruciating pace and with enormous losses, making it ever more difficult for Zelensky to convince partners that victory is around the corner. With the outbreak of war in Israel, even keeping the world’s attention on Ukraine has become a major challenge.

 Quoting a soldier on the front of the counter-offensive, the Economist agrees:

"Left Handed", an infantryman fighting at the front between Robotyne and Verbove, says Ukrainian losses have increased to alarming levels, in part due to the work of drones. The plains of Zaporizhia have turned their back on life, he says. “It’s hellish. Corpses, the smell of corpses, death, blood and fear. Not a whiff of life, just the stench of death.” Those in units such as his own had more chance of dying than surviving. “Seventy-thirty. Some don’t even see their first battle.”

Still, Zelenski is urging them on:

But his convictions haven’t changed. Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace.

On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”

Zelensky’s stubbornness, some of his aides say, has hurt their team’s efforts to come up with a new strategy, a new message. As they have debated the future of the war, one issue has remained taboo: the possibility of negotiating a peace deal with the Russians. Judging by recent surveys, most Ukrainians would reject such a move, especially if it entailed the loss of any occupied territory.

The war is lost. They know it. But they are unwilling to give up.

Zelenski's people put the blame everywhere but on the those who have caused the mess. It was the 'victory' messaging by Zelenski and his crew that has led the public into utter complacency.

As Strana headlines (machine translation):

Ukraine is losing the war with the Russian Federation due to the inadequate perception of the situation by society — commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Strana.news - Oct. 30, 2023

Strategically, Ukraine is losing the war because of the inadequate perception of the situation by society.

This opinion was expressed by the commander of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Dmitry Kukharchuk in an interview with Channel Five.

He claims that at the beginning of the war, all Ukrainians were ready to defend the country, there were many volunteers. But after the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kiev, the situation changed.

"Immediately after that, I noticed that there were theses in the media that we are fighting with homeless people, that the Russian army does not know how to fight, that in principle victory will be in a week or two, a maximum of a month. That first in the spring, then in the summer, then in the autumn, then in the winter, without specifying which winter, we will go to the Crimea. That the victory is basically victorious. So people were put in a warm bathroom. We have broken down the vision of reality. But it didn't happen in Russia. They began to realize that the war was not going to be easy for them. They realized that they would have to fight for a long time, " Kukharchuk believes.

He also says that the Russians are "getting stronger" every day, and if Ukraine really fought the "degenerates", it would have defeated them long ago.

"That's why we're losing. They have these processes going on, and their public readiness is much higher than that of our society. And when they talk about a nuclear bomb, a war of all against all, for some reason it seems to me that they are ready for these processes, " the battalion commander added.

Napoleon, Hitler and several other folks who had sought war with Russia, had to learn to never underestimate the depth of its resources. Now NATO, the U.S. and its European proxies, are learning that lesson.

Zelenski still hasn't. He won't concede:

The cold will also make military advances more difficult, locking down the front lines at least until the spring. But Zelensky has refused to accept that. “Freezing the war, to me, means losing it,” he says. Before the winter sets in, his aides warned me to expect major changes in their military strategy and a major shake-up in the President’s team. At least one minister would need to be fired, along with a senior general in charge of the counteroffensive, they said, to ensure accountability for Ukraine’s slow progress at the front. “We’re not moving forward,” says one of Zelensky’s close aides. Some front-line commanders, he continues, have begun refusing orders to advance, even when they came directly from the office of the President. “They just want to sit in the trenches and hold the line,” he says. “But we can’t win a war that way.”

When I raised these claims with a senior military officer, he said that some commanders have little choice in second-guessing orders from the top. At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to “retake” the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? “They don’t have the men or the weapons,” says the officer. “Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?”

In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.”

Since the start of the invasion, Ukraine has refused to release official counts of dead and wounded. But according to U.S. and European estimates, the toll has long surpassed 100,000 on each side of the war. It has eroded the ranks of Ukraine’s armed forces so badly that draft offices have been forced to call up ever older personnel, raising the average age of a soldier in Ukraine to around 43 years. “They’re grown men now, and they aren’t that healthy to begin with,” says the close aide to Zelensky. “This is Ukraine. Not Scandinavia.”

The Ukraine's old problems, foremost corruption, persist:

Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely. “Simon, you’re mistaken,” he says. “People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow.”

Knowing that the ship is sinking, this its probably what I would do too. Bring anything available onto my personal life raft and prepare for cutting its lines to the mother ship.

The Time piece is a signal. It announces the end of Zelenski's regime. I am sure that the National Security Council, as well as the State Department, is feverishly looking for an alternative - and for a face saving way to install it.

Someone seems to protect and promote Alexey Arestovich for exactly that purpose (machine translation):

After leaving the Presidential Office with a scandal in January 2023, Arestovich, although he began to criticize the actions of the authorities, nevertheless did it carefully until recently.

But right now, he's just slamming the ruling team.

Arestovich focuses on two things: the military decisions of the country's leadership and its domestic policy.
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The second version: Arestovich enlisted the support of Americans who want to see more political diversity in Ukraine and are not interested in Zelensky's monopolization of power.

In favor of this version, they also use the fact mentioned above that the tightening of the rhetoric of the ex-adviser to the president's Office began after his trip to the United States. Also in this regard, they recall his interview with Gordon in early October, where he says that if the West decides to end the war without reaching the borders of 1991 and Zelensky resists this, then the president of Ukraine will be "changed" in the elections.
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"It is possible that Arestovich is supported by a certain part of the Western elites, who care about the breadth of opinions in Ukraine. They say that the country can speak not only with Zelensky's voice, but there are also different critical opinions, " political analyst Ruslan Bortnik comments to Strana.

In its grand strategy the White House had sought to pivot to Asia. But the U.S. is - first in Ukraine, in a completely unnecessary conflict the U.S. itself has caused, and, with Gaza in flames, again in the Middle East.

In a recent talk in Australia John Mearsheimer takes a deep dive into this dilemma (video). He doesn't foresee a good outcome.

Posted by b on October 31, 2023 at 8:12 UTC | Permalink

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The Ukro loses doesnt matter as their sociery accepts them. The Ukro society is based on hate afainst Russia. So they can fight very long.

Posted by: zorge | Oct 31 2023 8:19 utc | 1

Russia must increase attrition attacks on UkraiNazistan. This is a very rare opportunity and it must be seized. The danger is NATO will repeatedly use Ukrainazistan to fight their wars. Make it impossible.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 31 2023 8:22 utc | 2

Here's a thought. Ukraine has made negotiation with Putin illegal and the West has told everyone for decades that Putin is the devil incarnate, so negotiation with him is impossible.

But of course, if Putin has died, there is no reason not to negotiate with his "body double"...
Is that a sufficiently lunatic idea to be a possible white House strategy?

Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 7:35 utc | 150

Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 8:33 utc | 3

Arestovich is pure evil, Zelensky is just playing a role like in one of his films.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Oct 31 2023 8:40 utc | 4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem#Coup_and_assassination

Oi! Zelensky!! Don't get in the back of the van!

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 31 2023 8:42 utc | 5

Former TIMES men/persons of the year: Hitler, Putin. In fact, I said a few months ago Zelenskyi would be next. Here we go. Fulfilled prophecy.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 8:46 utc | 6

I agree with Elensky. Victory is just around the corner and soon the orcs will break after suffering a million dead!
The sooner Elensky can get his 500,000 nubile Ukie girls charging forward in their bikinis the sooner the orcs will surrender enmass!
The darkest hour is just before dawn.

Once more into the breech!

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 31 2023 8:50 utc | 7

6 bibi next, what else can a despotic mass murderer ask for . a peace prize! Done deal next week, just gotta wait for the final body count

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 31 2023 8:50 utc | 8

8 You cannot think of anything that would be too absurd. I just Googled it and the search returne a result from the Times of Israel 2020:

Netanyahu touts his nomination for Nobel Peace Prize by N. Ireland laureate
PM had already been nominated for award by Italian and Finnish MPs for Israel’s normalization deals with UAE, Bahrain
By ToI Staff 24 November 2020, 3:45 pm

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office issued a statement Tuesday saying he had been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize following the normalization deals with the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Sudan, after the premier had already been nominated for the award multiple times in recent months.

“Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Lord David Trimble today nominated Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the Nobel Peace Prize, together with Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed [Al Nahyan], Abu Dhabi’s crown prince,” the Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 8:56 utc | 9

What a difference a year makes ...

Posted by b on October 31, 2023 at 8:12 UTC

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Next year in Jerusalem

Posted by: too scents | Oct 31 2023 8:59 utc | 10

Giving Zelensky agency is laughable. The curtain is torn beyond mending.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 31 2023 9:03 utc | 11

Look at how effortlessly they lie - the trash that they spew. "Tens of thousands have been killed". Try *hundreds* of thousands. Bastards.

Posted by: ivanislav | Oct 31 2023 9:04 utc | 12

10 settle down Charles next you will research why those guys thrust their hips against the wall while praying at an old Roman fort they call a temple

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 31 2023 9:08 utc | 13

The next war might be civil war and terrorism in European countries. The gloomier the prospects in war and economy in Ukraine getting poorer, the more corruption will leak and sell weapons to criminals and gangs across Europe. These will become more than merely a nuisance.

One thing you could also expect is Ukraine government losing control of increasing proportion of the country. The end game may be fracturing and absorption of the west by Poland, south-east by Russia, mid-north and center becoming a neutral buffer state. Finally, Romania and Hungary might have a couple of claims, as well.

This all happened as Ukraine/West will have no further communication with Russia as they have stated many times.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 9:26 utc | 14

It's worth noting that British neocon darling, Owen Matthews (Despite his name, his mother is a Russian Jew whose father was a brutal official, possibly NKVD in the Stalin regime who ran away with the family when when consequences came due to Britain) who combines the worst of the English upper classes with the worst of Russian Jewry. Arrogance, superiority complexes and outgroup hatred compounded. Matthews is notable in that he appears on Russian TV, often taking ridiculous neocon talking points and has appeared in some Russian scripted TV shows, demonstrating his connections to that community in Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Matthews

He wrote a book on the Ukraine war, hilariously titled "Overreach: The Inside Story of Putin’s War Against Ukraine". He seems to have taken far too long to write his book and exploit the ignorance of the masses, perhaps the advance from Harper-Collins was all he really wanted. However, coming out in September 2023, it's impossible for even the most stunted mind not to see who overreached in Ukraine and it wasn't Putin. If anything it's a fascinating artifact to prove to later generations that, yes, Virginia, people, particularly among the educated professional classes actually believed this, don't ever trust the upper middle classes, ever, they're not just anti-social, they're stupid. Lawyers and doctors should be banned from political office. (Or perhaps we should have a pure democracy with no representatives at all)

https://www.harpercollins.com/products/overreach-the-inside-story-of-putins-war-against-ukraine-owen-matthews


Winner of the Pushkin House Book Prize 2023

*A Telegraph Book of the Year*

A Times Best Book of Summer 2023

*Shortlisted for the Parliamentary Book Awards*

An astonishing investigation into the start of the Russo-Ukrainian war – from the corridors of the Kremlin to the trenches of Mariupol.

The Russo-Ukrainian War is the most serious geopolitical crisis since the Second World War – and yet at the heart of the conflict is a mystery. Vladimir Putin apparently lurched from a calculating, subtle master of opportunity to a reckless gambler, putting his regime – and Russia itself – at risk of destruction. Why?

Drawing on over 25 years’ experience as a correspondent in Moscow, as well as his own family ties to Russia and Ukraine, journalist Owen Matthews takes us through the poisoned historical roots of the conflict, into the Covid bubble where Putin conceived his invasion plans in a fog of paranoia about Western threats, and finally into the inner circle around Ukrainian president and unexpected war hero Volodimir Zelensky.

Using the accounts of current and former insiders from the Kremlin and its propaganda machine, the testimony of captured Russian soldiers and on-the-ground reporting from Russia and Ukraine, Overreach tells the story not only of the war’s causes but how the first six months unfolded.

With its panoramic view, Overreach is an authoritative, unmissable record of a conflict that shocked Europe to its core.

The reviews are pure gold.


Reviews:

”'Not merely the first full account of the war in Ukraine, but may set the standard for some time to come … a remarkable achievement, with Matthews’s expert eye like an all-seeing drone, buzzing from one side of the conflict to the other”
-5* Telegraph


”'A vivid and revealing first draft of history … The strength of his account lies in his ability to tell the story from many angles, weaving them into a single, fast-paced narrative … fascinating”
-Financial Times


”'The best current analysis of the countdown to war”
-Serhii Plokhy, TLS


‘There will be many more books on Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, but Owen Matthews’ extraordinary perspective has produced an interim account of special value.’ Daily Mail
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”'A wave of hurriedly written books about the Russo-Ukrainian war is about to crash over our bookshops and overburdened shelves, but it is hard not to feel sorry for most of their authors. Owen Matthews has already come out with what is not only one of the fastest, but also likely to be the best, setting a painfully high benchmark for those who follow.”
-Times


Posted by: Altai | Oct 31 2023 9:28 utc | 15

Re: Population within Kiev controled territory

Starting point 34 million as of 2014
Less
5 million fled to Europe 2014-21
5 million fled to Europe 2022-23
3 million fled to Russia 2014-21
3 million fled to Russia 2022-23
7 million living in DPR, LPR, Crimea
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11 million

Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 9:45 utc | 16

Our source reports that the Western lobby behind the scenes gave Zelensky an ultimatum.

Either he begins the process of peace negotiations-truce-freeze of the conflict, or financial and military assistance will gradually decrease until it drops to “zero”. At this moment, a lot of negative articles against ZeErmak will be published in the West.

The source indicates that so far we are only talking about negotiations/truce/freeze, without any signed official agreements like the Minsk agreements.

Zelensky hopes that the Israeli case will soon end with the victory of the Jews and the collective West, the British will back up Zelensky, and in 2024 Kiev will be helped by Chisinau, which will reactivate the second front by starting the Transnistrian crisis.

Zelensky is in a difficult situation now, but he can safely raise the stakes. When and to what extent, time will tell.


https://t.me/legitimniy/16592

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 10:03 utc | 17

What is going to be interesting is if/when Ukraine surrenders and the west refuses to accept it. Leading up to this, and to prevent a repeat of 1945, the "legitimate" government will have to flee abroad, and some sort of "illegal" sanctionable entity left holding the bag in Ukraine.

Posted by: Paul L | Oct 31 2023 10:04 utc | 18

Don’t forget to credit the extras, it’s good for them to understand that their contribution is recognised and appreciated.

https://t.me/llordofwar/228533

💬 Chief of Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Protection Troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov:

‘We complete the list of those involved in the Ukrainian military biological dossier with attendees of the training, which took place in Lviv.

Among them are:

▪ Filippa Lentzos, member of the UK Biosecurity Steering Board, ….

▪ Gemma Bowsher, from the Department of War Studies at King's College London, …

▪ Oksana Kucheryava, Head of Communications at the Public Health Centre of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine, ….

▪It was also found that Irina Demchishina, the head of the reference laboratory for the diagnosis of viral and highly dangerous pathogens, … acted as an intermediary in interaction with Pentagon contractors Black & Veatch and Metabiota, and supervised the implementation of DTRA projects in Ukraine.

We will continue to analyse incoming documents and keep you informed.’

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 31 2023 10:09 utc | 19

Zelensky this celebrated Western sock puppet his strings pulled by M16 will continue zombie like marching down a predestined road of death impervious to reason in the degenerate style of his fascist mentors in the UK Security State and ruling class who obsessed with the prospect of their revanchist vision of victory over Russian Orcs are yet haunted by the economic debilities of the Western Elites.

Posted by: Rick | Oct 31 2023 10:19 utc | 20

Nobody Believes in Our Victory Like I Do.’

Maybe Zelenski has already won.. the object may never have been to save the Army of, or the integrity of the territory of, or the government of, Ukraine? The object may have been about building a global infrastructure capable to cut Russian oil and gas out of global markets and to obtain monopoly control over the supply of oil and gas to Europe?

The object may have been to allow oil and gas pipelines and frac oriented shale oil production and packaging facilities, LNG, load, unload and transport facilities around the globe to be built, and for certain changes in Law of the Seas to be implemented? It takes time to build gas to liquid conversion facilities and time to build pipelines and ships capable to deliver the gas, oil and LNG.

If you accept that the whole purpose of the extended war in Ukraine may have been to keep Russia busy while private competitive, non Russian, owners of oil and gas monopolies build facilities needed to block Russian oil and gas from reaching European and other markets; then you can say without doubt, the western oil and gas owners have successfully used the nation state system to accomplish the objectives of their block and circumvent[B&C] project. The latest B&C accomplishment: 47 war ships in the Mediterranean capable to protect the new pipelines under the mediterranean sea from Palestine to Europe.

Russian pipelines feeding Europe, (NORDSTREAM II etc. and the Gasprom central gas pipeline distribution stations in Kiev both) have now been stopped? If you accept that the war in Ukraine gives plausible denial to circumvention and block objectives; then the circumvention and blocking of Russian energy products from having any access to western energy markets has been accomplished.

If the object of the continued NATO encroachments threatening the NATO borders of Russia, were designed to force the war in Ukraine in order to buy the time needed to put in place "circumvention pipelines and equipment and to build circumvention facilities necessary to the B&C project, then the object of the war in Ukraine, the war Zelenski and his walking dead army have already won? If you accept that the War in Gaza is about protecting monopoly control over those new oil and gas facilities, then you see the scenario used in Ukraine may have been used in Gaza; war was forced as a deception designed to hide the "B&C" oil and gas project". Accepting that scenario, explains the timing and purpose of removing the Palestinians from the Mediterranean sea coast they are slowing the progress of the B&C oil and gas project; accepting that premise even explains that the naval presence in the Med may be to protect B&C oil and gas project undersea circumvention assets?
Here are the links to study.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/monopoly-nation-how-a-handful-of-firms-control-prices-hold-israelis-to-ransom/
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/standing-up-to-israels-gas-monopoly/
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/
https://www.rt.com/business/586105-kiev-gas-transit-deal-moscow/
https://www.tiktok.com/@richardmedhurst/video/7295815659764714785?_r=1&_t=8gxCY2v3Hk1
https://www.newarab.com/sites/default/files/2023-06/afp.com-20120717-GR-INFO-GR309277-preview.jpg
https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF88GBvbXQGwndIi.jpg

Posted by: snake | Oct 31 2023 10:19 utc | 21

But of course, if Putin has died, there is no reason not to negotiate with his "body double"...
Is that a sufficiently lunatic idea to be a possible white House strategy?

Posted by: Tim | Oct 31 2023 7:35 utc | 150

Well they wouldn't negotiate with the real Putin, why would his body double be any better?

Now here's the problem the West has:


What if Putin's body double is not only as well educated and trained as him but also a dab hand at military-economic strategy?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 31 2023 10:29 utc | 22

If Zelensky knew what was good for him, he should give himself up to the Russians and accept any war crimes charges against him. If he is lucky, he will be in prison for the rest of his life, probably a prison in a remote part of Siberia. At least he will be kept alive on the Russian taxpayer's dime.

If he does not give himself up, he faces danger from the SBU (abetted by the CIA), the AFU or someone with an axe to grind against him. An early and very ignominious end will be awaiting him.

There is also a possibility that he might harm himself, if his cocaine supply is interrupted and his delusions of grandeur and self-importance fade away.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 31 2023 10:40 utc | 23

As I’ve said previously, Zelensky can’t let the war end. His political career would be over. Yes, he could slink off somewhere to enjoy his money. But he’s grown used to having all the power. And he’s a coke head. If you’ve ever known one you know.

What’s more interesting to me is the beginnings of Kiev blaming its sponsors for the failure. The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time. Increasingly this will be Zelensky’s political answer to all the problems. If it takes hold in Ukraine, the worst case scenario for Europe grows: Ukrainian terrorism directed west rather than east.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24

Zelenski still hasn't. He won't concede:

It's obvious what's going on with Zelensky.

Zelensky had a peace deal with Russia ready to go in March/April 2022.

BUT

Zelensky was told by the US/UK - by Boris/Biden/Blinken/Nuland etc. - NO DEAL - Boris/Biden/Blinken told Zelensky the US/UK would support Ukraine until victory and NOT TO SIGN ANY DEALS.

Zelensky had a deal - but was told TEAR IT UP OR WE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOU.

Zelensky is HOLDING US/UK to that promise.

It's that simple.

If Ukraine loses - it is not Zelensky who will be proven WRONG (HE HAD A DEAL!) - it is the US/UK etc. who will be proven wrong.

That is his angle - and he will play it all the way. ALL THE WAY.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 31 2023 10:55 utc | 25

Thank you, b, for the link to the John Mearsheimer talk. I will be passing that along to friends and family. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 31 2023 11:22 utc | 26

Zelensky knows he is becoming useless. And useless things tend to disappear.

They are now promoting Arestovich as a controlled opposition. Arestovich is a sleaze-bag, but he has occasionally been spouting the truth on various issues.

He said Ukraine's ATO operation since 2014 was completely illegal under international law, and constituted genocide in Donbass. Russia used the same context to enter Ukraine, as USA used UN article (something, can't remember) to enter Libya, under the "responsibility-to-protect" clausal.

Except there was no real genocide in Libya other than the one orchestrated by the US through their "moderate rebel" terrorists al-Qaeda. The genocide in Donbass was real.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 11:25 utc | 27

Is Zelensky allowed to change course?

Many arsenals have been drained, hundreds of billions in US contracts to re-stock them. But is that all? The costs of running this clown have to succeed the revenue for things to change.

Posted by: Ruediger | Oct 31 2023 11:26 utc | 28

Let's assume that the war is lost. Ukraine needs material and money which it just doesn't have, and is wholly dependent on NATO for an inadequate supply of both. If the Russians continue attacking even on the comparatively small scale that they are currently employing, this weakness will simply expand.

In that case, what can Zhelensky do? He can't face his people and say that he suckered them into an unwinnable war under false pretenses and killed hundreds of thousands of his people. He'd be lynched. He can't face the Nazis and say that they need to negotiatiate with the Russians; he'd be assassinated. He can't face NATO and say that he intends to surrender to the Russians; he'd be deposed (and then assassinated) or assassinated straight off.

About his only realistic option is to flee the country, but where can he flee to, and using what transport? If he hangs in until Kyiv collapses, he can hope that, as P J O'Rourke put it, the USAF will Baby Doc him somewhere nice.

Posted by: MFB | Oct 31 2023 11:27 utc | 29

The photo of Zelenzki, wandering alone on the perimeter of a gaggle of his Eurotrash 'friends' who were studiously ignoring him a few months ago, was an amusing glimpse of the future of his, Ukraine, and the West's eerie ineptitude.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 31 2023 11:29 utc | 30

Why all the speculation about Ukraine?
The answer is clear from Syria that USUKIS are annihilated immediately after serving their purpose of rendering a country either empty or unserviceable.

Proxies are totally disposable, except for some Azovs whose murder would scare the horses for future Henry Kissyourbackside covert operations.

Is it such an enigma to solve why the same people who have planned for , , and destroyed 7 countries in 20 years, chose the Ukraine project against Russia? Iraq Lebanon Syria Libya Somalia. Iran is next, Jordan , Saudi Arabia.

Russia interfered with Neocon plans in Syria. Hence Ukraine.. .
Now if Russia or Iran could be provoked to attack Israel, by totally unacceptable genocide in Gaza, USUKIS could complete its list of countries to be annihilated with Russia and Iran on the mantlepiece as decorative glass.

The only countries USUKIS wants to destroy are the countries that would form the Greater Israel. Anything else is Collateral Damage. In Netanyahu Zion has found its Hitler.

As for Israel's economy being frail, fuck me, it must be time for another worldwide recession, to re-fill their coffers. The 2007 scam of the century needs to be repeated. No wonder Sunak sacked his minister for calling for a ceasefire. He's clearing the way for a new refinancing of the Jewish Banksters.

How come even at a time that Israel has killed 12,000 civilians in Gaza, and declared Ukraine as an empty land for a people without land, they are still playing the victim card and getting believers ?

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 11:32 utc | 31

and some sort of "illegal" sanctionable entity left holding the bag in Ukraine.

Posted by: Paul L | Oct 31 2023 10:04 utc | 19

Couldnt they just put janukowitsh back? As the coup was unconditioal (per ukraines constitution, not sure if they changed that already), he would technically still be their president. I think.
But then again, the eu would cry “puppet“ since he fled to russia or something, so theres their sanctioanble entity i guess.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Oct 31 2023 11:34 utc | 32

“He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”

There have been many rumours that Zelensky likes cocaine. If any of you have seen the movie "Scarface", with Al Pacino as a diminutive drug lord, this sounds familiar.

Cocaine is a helluva drug.

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Oct 31 2023 11:37 utc | 33

zorge @1 "The Ukro loses doesnt matter as their sociery accepts them."

Which society are we talking about? Those who emigrated? Those who are dead? Those who have been forcibly conscripted?

My hunch is that, as in Washington, there is a little bubble of expert "society" in Kiev who are getting fat on the gravy train...and are the only ones that the Western media and politicians have been talking to. And that "society" has been more than happy to reinforce the frontline with a second line that shoots anyone who doesn't obey and advance into the meatgrinder.

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 31 2023 11:46 utc | 34

I hear Juan Guaido is available.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 31 2023 11:50 utc | 35

As I’ve said previously, Zelensky can’t let the war end.

Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24

Astute. That is why they needed to resurrect Putin from the dead last week and have him say he wants an endless war.

Anyway, we who have had to put up with this propaganda shit for two year have every right to feel vindicated at last. Just do not forget to shove the rifles up the asses of this worthless scum who call themselves our leaders.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 31 2023 12:00 utc | 36

11 million

Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 9:45 utc | 17

10.5 million babuskas.... kids... great grandfathers....

500,000 military personnel.... elites..... key technicians....

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 31 2023 12:01 utc | 37

So Time Magazine is now abandoning Elensky. Last December he was "person of the year", now he's out of touch with reality, listens to nobody, and Ukranazistan is so corrupt that everyone is stealing as fast as they can.

Remember:

Literally this exact scenario played out in mid 2021 with America's Afghan puppet Ashraf Ghani.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 31 2023 12:01 utc | 38

War is lost.
Trials of natzo banderist swastika tattooed Neanderthal supermen and women who were captured goes on daily. Sentences are being handed out for their documented crimes against civilians and pows, many confess.

The Russian prosecutors have been busy from day one collecting evidence and testimonies.

There’s not going to be some easy fast Nuremberg, with the 10’s of thousands of thr demented natzios and their string pullers disappearing into the woodwork to rise again. Not this time.

All that remains is some tearful bargaining and demand that the rump ukropia be handed to the poor dispossessed Israelis- so they can be back in their European ‘roots’.

The multipolarists will probably let them. As long as they don’t bring any nukes, stay neutral and keep their natzio dreams in a bin that can’t ever be opened. Heck they may even get to use Odessa!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 31 2023 12:15 utc | 39

31
I meant to write that USUKIS proxies are totally expendable , not USUKIS itself. Apologies.

Once a country has been given a child's dummy , that all the problems of corruption in Ukraine are all the fault of the Russians, or all the problems of corruption in Pakistan are all the fault of the English , NOTHING can get that dummy out of the toddler's face.

Especially in Israel all the problems of Israeli corruption are the fault of the Palestinians. I hate my dummy , mummy, I hate ny dummy. But nothing is going to pull that comforting dummy of projection out of the mind of the toddler, except compassionate brute force which nobody has.

It was Jesus pbuh who first explained about projection, take the plank out of your own eye , before removing the sawdust from another .

The Jews of Jesus pbuh had the Romans as a scapegoat for the corruption of their Rabbis. Now the whole Christian would want to remove that dummy but it won't come out. Itscstill there, 2000 years later .

Zelensky and the Zionist Neocons are psychologically incapable of introspection. They have a scapegoat to blame, and it's glued into their brains through their mouth.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 12:23 utc | 40

It seems to me that the CIA's TIME magazine (it mockingbird usurped cerca 1963) is setting up Elensky to be the lone fall guy (the deciderer!). To remove any blame on the USUKIS money machine. And the true rulers and strategizers of Ukronazilan - Nuland,the Kagans, Blinken and dopey Uncle Joe. (Please don't let 'em find out about all the money I stole).

Elenski is a sock puppet and he's in trouble. Has he anywhere to hide?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 31 2023 12:35 utc | 41

DunGroanin 39

The zionist Neocons opened the bin of Nazism because Russia was frusrrating the destruction of Syria for Greater Israel . Soros funded the indoctrination of Ukkraine with Russophobia for Greater Israel.

You have to prosecute the ringleaders first. We still don't know whether they used some kind of chemical torture rendition like the neocons used in the War on ( i.e. to manufacture ) Terror.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 12:36 utc | 42

He is/was deluded by the west. He had no ability to assess the potential for defeat of Russia and Russia's will to prevail - zero. Everyone of any intellectual ability knew this. He should have known this in fact it appears he did, but Boris the Clown convinced him otherwise. He was totally reliant on his handlers.

Well now his existence has become inconvenient - another botched project to be swept under the rug. I would think it would be safer for him to step-down. I wonder if that door is closed. How long will it take for Ukrainians to understand what they have done?

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:37 utc | 43

Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President suspects Zaluzhny of sabotaging the headquarters’ decisions on the Azov operation, which the Commander-in-Chief blocked from the first days and did not support the crossing of the Dnieper as the second stage of the counteroffensive. Andriy Ermak believes that Zaluzhny is working together with the Americans to weaken Zelensky.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19877
Our source in the OP said that Zelensky considers Zaluzhny to be to blame for the failure of the counteroffensive, who refused to begin the second stage with an amphibious operation on the left bank of the Dnieper.

Bankovaya is confident that the Commander-in-Chief has been building his political career for a long time, which is why he is blocking all military plans at headquarters, declaring the limited capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/20331
Our source in the OP said that Zelensky refused to withdraw troops from Avdiivka and demanded that Zaluzhny prepare the defense of the city. The Ukrainian Armed Forces must transfer all reserves from the Zaporozhye front and organize a counterattack on the flanks of the city in order to prevent the enemy from tightening the Avdeevka stranglehold.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20332

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 12:38 utc | 44

In the US-Mexican war, Santa Anna swore he would never give up territory or negotiate with the US.
Then the US took control of his capital.
He had no choice but to "sell" the seized land to pay off his war debts, and would have sold even more if the US had wanted to land.

Taking Kiev again is what will end the whole event. But that won't be until 2025 or so.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 31 2023 12:42 utc | 45

Zelensky's the patsy, the one upon whom all the blame will be heaped instead of it falling on the # 1 Criminal Class within the Outlaw US Empire who caused the Ukraine Crisis and all others. Putin was 100% correct with his words yesterday, "Putin's Alive: Security Council Meeting 10/30":

To reiterate, those behind the conflict in the Middle East and other regional crises will take advantage of their devastating consequences to sow hatred and to pit people against each other all over the world. This is the real mercenary goal of such geopolitical puppeteers....

We must clearly understand who is really behind the tragedy of the peoples of the Middle East and other regions of the world, who organizes the deadly chaos, and who benefits from it. Today, in my opinion, it has already become obvious and understandable for everyone....

It is the current US ruling elites and their satellites that are the main beneficiaries of global instability. They extract their blood rent from it. Their strategy is also obvious. The United States as a global superpower – everyone can see and understand this, even from the trends in the global economy-is weakening and losing its position. The American-style world, with one hegemon, is being destroyed, leaving, gradually but steadily becoming a thing of the past.

But the United States does not want to put up with this; on the contrary, they want to preserve and extend their dominance, their global dictatorship, and in conditions of general chaos it is more convenient to do this, because with the help of such chaos they expect to restrain and destabilize their competitors, as they say, their geopolitical opponents, which include our country, and in fact, there are new centers of global development, sovereign, independent countries that do not want to humiliate themselves and play the role of lackeys....

I will repeat again: the US ruling elites and their satellites are behind the tragedy of the Palestinians, the carnage in the Middle East as a whole, the conflict in Ukraine, and many other conflicts in the world – in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and so on. This is already obvious to everyone. They are the ones who plant their military bases everywhere, constantly use military force on occasion and without any occasion, and send weapons to conflict zones. They also send financial resources, including to Ukraine and the Middle East, and incite hatred in Ukraine and the Middle East. [My Emphasis]

Putin couldn't have made it any plainer, been more straightforward, as to where the guilt lies in the fomenting of global carnage and chaos. Those who try to shift that blame are running interference for the Outlaw US Empire and its actions since WW2, and in some cases well before. Except that it isn't yet "obvious to everyone" as with Time and other BigLie Media who continue to obfuscate and abet yesterday and today's crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 31 2023 12:44 utc | 46

The TIME cover foto of Elenski with his dour expression and his back turned portends nothing good for him.

Especially when one knows what entity controls TIME.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 31 2023 12:44 utc | 47

The Washington War Party abandons its staunch Allies like a used Kotex. Zelensky is learning like:

The South Vietnamese
The Panamanians
The Bosnians
The Kosovars
ISIS
The Iraqis
The Afghani’s
Etc. etc.
all abandoned and hung out to die….

Posted by: Exile | Oct 31 2023 12:45 utc | 48

The best part is that there's all but literally no good option for the West here. There is no-one "good" to choose from, they chose to champion one of the most Homerically corrupt, dishonorable and inept societies on Earth. Every neighbour to the Ukraine territories - Poles, Russians, Hungarians, Turks even - knew the Ukraine chiefly as the literal shady borderland its name means, where two-bit political whores are the only indigenous animal. But, of course, the West never thinks it's worth knowing the context or history of a place it blunders its way into, because it believes it's invincible and infallible - or that at least its opponents are feeble and doomed to fall before it by Manifest Destiny.

About bloody time this bullshit finally started to come back to bite the West. In every corner of the world their chief proxy is a corrupt weakling with no good options.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 49

I wonder, has there ever been a defeat that was so complete?
The west could proceed with development, but at great risk - private capital will not accept that risk, I think.
The government is already noted to be thoroughly corrupt - would consume any aid they receive.
Demographically and economically, they have been cut in half.
I could see Russia cutting a deal with Poland - an opportunity to collaborate constructively.

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 50

Certainly Zelensky is scum. If Ukraine had just told Russia 'OK we'll stay neutral and not join NATO now go away. Oh, but keep subsidizing our energy bills." All of this could have been avoided and - corrupt as the country is - the average Ukrainian could have lived their lives, had a few beers with friends, raised children etc. Instead he trashed the country, one way or the other it will never recover, and for nothing. Though don't shed too many tears, I'm sure Zelensky will live a very nice life in Italy or Israel or whatever. Probably get a huge advance for publishing his memoirs, as reward for services rendered.

But one thing we need to remember: I don't think Ukraine can negotiate for peace. I don't think Putin will accept that. Putin got suckered once before, he knows that any ceasefire will just let the west rebuild Ukraine's army and Putin would have to fight this war all over again. I can't read minds but I would think that Putin will now stop at nothing less than the total collapse of Ukraine.

IMHO Zelensky's only chance is to hunker down in the defensive - where modern weapons let even small forces hold off large forces - and keep launching attacks into Russia, hoping to cause enough pain that Russia attacks sites in western Europe and brings NATO directly into the war. What else can he do?

Posted by: TG | Oct 31 2023 12:55 utc | 51

@ Posted by: Red Outsider | Oct 31 2023 12:51 utc | 52

I think you mis-judge the west.
I think they see corruption as a feature to be exploited.

Posted by: jared | Oct 31 2023 12:55 utc | 52

I mean, ya gotta laugh. Every sane person in the world knew it was coming -- that Zelensky would be betrayed by the US as soon as he lost usefulness and Putin gained irreversible ascendency! Everyone except the Kiev gang, that is.

People are saying he has become deluded. Lol. He was deluded since long ago -- since his TV show role. THAT'S how and why he could be made a puppet. Duh!

All I can say is "Phew, thank god he will soon be off the stage".

Happy days.

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 31 2023 12:58 utc | 53

In retrospect, the endless bleating about Ukraine's imperatives for success announced from day-1 that they had already lost.

In this age of information, I would expect the pragmatic planners of empire here in the States knew it was false cause from the get-go.

I mean this with all the implications of sadism, betrayal, and malingering greed that such an observations imply.

Even the most contrary are somehow working for the dark side of these disparate states.

Thinking back on Nordstream sabotage, it was such a brazen act of desperation it might have well been accompanied by a Times headline announcing there was no chance for Z's Ukraine: "U.S., tells Zelensky to go to hell, the actual war is elsewhere."

Hersh has functioned as a stooge by making it seem like there was some open question of executive accountability towards Ukraine's interests. There never was.

Why are we unable to fathom the obvious in its own time: A TV personality was hired to make a Russian territory seem like it belonged to Europe and that personality dutifully acted the part of a patriot by running pledge drives and bakesales all the way onto the floor of Congress. How could Z not know he was utterly bereft when Kamala Harris's Congress gave him back his country's own flag with their names written all over it. They handed him a pristine U.S. flag in a protective box, and scribbled on Ukraine's flag with a sharpie like they were all signing autographs for the TV actor. How could the essential power dynamic be any clearer?

I watched all of Oliver Stone's 2015–2017 interviews with Putin, and based on those interchanges I came to think that Putin has been dumbfounded and at a loss of any vocabulary for comprehending the United States. My guess is he sees US as insane.

I hang my head at the unnecessary losses, because this community, even at its most well-meaning, is part of the insanity. Looking back, there should never been any cause for discussion here about the U.S. prospects except out of pure ignorance, which is an embarrassment to a generation raised on the personal computer and the web.

I will use my powers of bullshitery to challenge this immediate culture of bullshitery: The same scandalous forces of Republican power have been at work for decades to wreck life around the world, while at every step celebrating their magnificence and majesty behind that wreckage, as if it is God's gift.

It's always one more step in a long tradition of supporting horrible policies, first and foremost against our own at home, so why do we feign surprise at the abuse of others.

We all know that there's no light vs. dark in the corridors of U.S. power: a political ecology that would insist on a figurehead as craven and foolish as Trump has no counterpoint in an opposing party.

We're trapped, and as long as the U.S. is trapped, the world is trapped, because the U.S. for all its hideous foibles is the center of the revolution of thought, however insane it may be.

Russia and China have no answers: they are merely counterpoints to our wretched state.

Exhausting.

Posted by: Arrnon | Oct 31 2023 13:03 utc | 54

Mearsheimer has been giving nearly the same speech on Ukraine many times since 2015, correctly predicting that the attempt to move Ukraine into NATO was leading that country “down a primrose path” to being “wrecked” by Russia. Yet in all the many iterations of this speech I’ve watched, he has specifically defined Russia as not a peer competitor with the US. Until this speech last week in Australia wherein he now adopts the view that the world is now multipolar, with two relatively equal poles of US and China, with Russia a third, sort of less equal pole. In this Australia talk he explicitly pushes the idea that it is necessary for the US to “pivot” to Asia, and he is clearly frustrated that Ukraine, and now Israel/Palestine, prevents that from happening. In short his worldview precludes the kind of multipolarity envisioned by BRICS+ in which the largest economy does not unilaterally determine the development of the smaller economies [contrast Mearsheimer’s view with Michael Hudson’s view of developing multipolarity].

Posted by: mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 55

How many more of the foreign policy farces must we endure before America matures?

Posted by: Northern Observer | Oct 31 2023 13:27 utc | 56

Zelensky has been the perfect fit for President of Ukraine ..... the Ukrainians got what they deserved and got exactly what they voted for.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:32 utc | 57

Fascinating how fast Zelensky goes from being a modern day Churchill to a scapegoat. Zelensky may be intransigent, but he doesn't run the show...as Gerhard Schroeder revealed in an interview with Berliner Zeitung. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/former-german-leader-schroeder-divulges-more-on-russia-ukraine-peace-deal-that-seemed-within-reach/ar-AA1iLthT


If Zelensky had ever bothered to study history, he would have known that that's exactly what happened to Ngo Dinh Diem, who was assassinated shortly after the US blessed a coup against him.

Now Blinkered Biden needs someone to blame...just in time for election season.

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 31 2023 13:35 utc | 58

Anyone left in Washington, DC or the EU who still believes in the delusion of Ukrainian victory had better pray to God that Putin does not launch a multi front attack against the depleted and reportedly highly demoralized UA.

If the Russians should suddenly decide to attack, everything east of the Dnieper River along with the capture of the vital port city of Odessa will be up for grabs. After that, who really knows, but if I were in Ukraine without a visa out, I might be watching Poland. NATO’s loyal member also appears to look a bit hungry these days.

Posted by: Packard | Oct 31 2023 13:35 utc | 59

Yes , the sooner your MI6 controllers can get rid of their proxy Nazis, who took their instructions from MI6 Boris Johnson not to make peace with Russia, Perfidious Albion can slough off responsbility for another genocide , the totally unnecessary murdering of one million soldiers in Ukraine, who elected Zelensky on a peace ticket with Russia

Why not crawl back into your Salisbury Novichok, perfume genie bottle from whence you came?

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 13:39 utc | 60

Elensky and most of the Ukrainian government won't concede because he literally makes more money every day, including dead Ukrainian soldiers.
Even if he wanted to - he would be immediately killed by the far-right types around him.
The only way this agony ends for Ukraine is a popular uprising; what we are witnessing now is a sad race between ruthless state repression and the percentage of Ukraine's population with nothing to lose by rising up. There are many historical examples where this went on far longer than anyone thought was possible.
The only potential exit is an AFU collapse a la Germany 1918.
Gaza 10/7/2023 means this has become far more likely, far sooner.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 61

Zelensky has been the perfect fit for President of Ukraine ..... the Ukrainians got what they deserved and got exactly what they voted for.

Zelensky was elected on a peace with Russia platform. He was a Trojan horse like Obama 'ima close guantanamo'. Feel sorry for the Ukrainians whose democracy like all others was subverted in service of a foreign state. The majority wanted peace.

The fact Zelensky will rot in hell is entirely on him not the voters who were lied to.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 62

@ mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57

You're right about Mearsheimer, he's full of shit and full of extreme unconscious pro-US Empire biases.

China is not a threat either. The US is bat shit crazy Paranoid from top to bottom. His pro-Israel anti-Palestinian bias is equally telling -- like all Americans and westerners he is thoroughly brainwashed and doesn't even know it.

I appreciate his factual historical knowledge but his pathetic word choices (and framing of the discussion points) signal the mental discrepancies he lives within. He does not get it ... and yes, he is also a broken record.

See Australian lecture .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FCVJycwSA

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:41 utc | 63

@Arrnon #56

In this age of information, I would expect the pragmatic planners of empire here in the States knew it was false cause from the get-go.

I don't know why anyone thinks there are "pragmatic planners of empire" in the US or West overall, period.
In what universe is uniting China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Brazil, Egypt, Ethiopia, India and South Africa in a defensive relationship, a good idea?
And to empoverish Europe in the process?
It is literally like the West's "pragmatic planners" are doing the diametric opposite of Western policy ever since the Halford Mackinder era.
A far more likely explanation is uncompetence. Incompetence is too mild a word to describe what is happening; uncompetence is doing literally the exact opposite of what competence dictates.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 31 2023 13:46 utc | 64

The word for actors without employment is' resting'. Maybe he's researching another role starring as Hitler to obfuscate Britain's perfidious pitching of Nazis against the Soviet Union.
Killing two birds with one evil stone.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 31 2023 13:46 utc | 65

...... the voters who were lied to.
@ Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 13:40 utc | 64


Not so. The Voters were as dumb as dirt, greedy and as corrupt and lazy as hell on earth.

Instead of the Voters bombing Donestc and joining the fucking army they could have burnt the Presidents Office to the ground.

Fuck 'em. They got what they deserved another fucking asswipe as President and another 5 years of Corrupt Criminal Ukrainian Government.

They should have grown the fuck up after 2014 ..... I'm on the other side of the world and I could see how fucked up Ukraine and what a FRAUD Zelensky was .... in 2019 they elected this fake Jewish asshole, this COWARD, and did what the Jewish billionaire who promoted him told them to do .... Fuck 'em they got what they Voted for - DEATH by the hundreds of thousands!

Do not make excuses for these Losers people.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 66

If Steiner attacks, everything will be alright.

Posted by: Sentient | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 67

@mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57

Thanks for your summary and commentary. Saves me the time for watching Mearsheimer’s lecture.

Posted by: tawharanui | Oct 31 2023 13:52 utc | 68

re: If Steiner attacks, everything will be alright.

Posted by: Sentient | Oct 31 2023 13:49 utc | 69

Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning.

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 31 2023 14:00 utc | 69

Do you hold Maerica to the same standard? Given that it has a stage managed democracy and is by far the primary cause of the world's current half second to midnight state.

Should Maericans be collectively assuming the guilt of their policies? Despite the fact most are deluded / drug addicted/ impoverished ? I mean to some extent yes they do. But it's complex.

I guess at the end of the day I see people as essentially misled children. The enemy is ignorance and stupidity. The cure is knowledge. The problem is professional lies and propaganda, greed and hubris.

Zoroastrianism conceptualized evil as ignorance (Ahriman) and good as knowledge and wisdom (Ahura Mazda). This seems pretty on the nose to me.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 31 2023 14:01 utc | 70

I'll say it again, ZELENSKY IS A JUDAS GOAT!

Posted by: Gurrker | Oct 31 2023 14:06 utc | 71

Now here's the problem the West has:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 31 2023 10:29 utc | 22

Medvedev. To start.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 31 2023 14:08 utc | 72

Lavrov's Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:32 utc | 59--

As I recall, Zelensky campaigned for peace and was elected on that basis. Thus, voters voted for peace but were betrayed and further propagandized to hate all things Russian, which in reality meant hating themselves. The lucky ones were those who left Ukraine before 2022 and those who surrendered and refused to be repatriated in prisoner exchanges. Some of those ex-prisoners are now in the Russian Army.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 31 2023 14:13 utc | 73

In short his worldview precludes the kind of multipolarity envisioned by BRICS+
Posted by: mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57

BRI. Big turnout for the convention

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 31 2023 14:14 utc | 74

The captain of a Ukrainian ship refused to return to his homeland, fearing mobilization

According to the Bulgarian newspaper "Flagship", the captain of the cargo ship "Izmail", which has been standing in the Bulgarian port of Burgas for more than a week, said he was ready to take a course anywhere except Ukraine.

@ukr_leaks_eng


https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1719267356025737412

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 31 2023 14:20 utc | 75

Bubbles burst. That's how it is. I don't see how Zelensky rides this out ( or Netanyahu for that matter). Who would give him asylum? I have doubts about the US doing that. I think he might claim return as a Jew to Israel. That's about it.

Ukraine is a game of Jenga. We think the army will collapse or rebel but the End could come from any number of directions. The best outcome for me is that Zaluzhny does a coup, declares a ceasefire and gives a Mannerheim speech ( which I think he once mentioned !). He might be the only leader with any credibility left.

Is local rebellion possible? Could a branch of the army declare themselves "out"? I still think Odessa should go independent.

Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 31 2023 14:22 utc | 76

@ Posted by: Arrnon | Oct 31 2023 13:03 utc | 56
“ We're trapped, and as long as the U.S. is trapped, the world is trapped, because the U.S. for all its hideous foibles is the center of the revolution of thought, however insane it may be.
Russia and China have no answers: they are merely counterpoints to our wretched state.”

I thought you were making sense until that “center of the revolution of thought”

Wtf ? What revolution of thought? What makes it a centre? Unless you mean a center as in a shopping center. Lots of choice as in Ford T’sin any colour as long as it’s black.

Don’t forget the dumb daily oath all have to take and USA USA USA - mindlessness.
The absurd evangelicals , the gun bearers, the fucking survivalists , the titty bars and the porn industry and a complete mindless culture - the only good one that came out was from the Rhythm and Blues of the unwilling Slaves. The willing slaves who throw themselves into that continent on a lie of Get Rich Quick - mostly end up with a useless lottery ticket - like all lotteries.

To be sure there has been a never ending stream of ‘Thought’ coming out of EurAsia for many Millenia and they have just resumed that Normal Service.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 31 2023 14:26 utc | 77

◾ Ukrainian Nazi, war criminal and Azov commander Dmitro Kukharchuk talks on TV about how Ukraine is losing the war. At the same time, he notes that Ukrainian propaganda is to blame for everything:

- Today I am sincerely sure that strategically we will lose the war... I notice the narrative in the Ukrainian media, that we are fighting with the bums, that the Russian army does not know how to fight, that the victory will be in a week, in two, well, maybe at most in a month. That in the beginning of spring, then in the summer, then in the fall, then in the winter...

◾Dmitro Kukharchuk is a favourite of US officials, having previously paraded around Ukraine of US Congresswoman Victoria Spartz.


https://t.me/geromanat/13152

Subtitled video in link

Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 14:30 utc | 78

the best sign for it to be lost will be Hollywood productions hitting "a theatre near you" which are already in the making, only question who will play Z?

Posted by: AG | Oct 31 2023 14:34 utc | 79

The "Too Big To Fail" Scam refilled the coffers of the Copper Pot Pedlars in control of the Image Department.
Whether the USSA can pull off another "rob the poor to enrich the few" chosen again is debatable. This applies to Ukraine and Palestine.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 31 2023 14:38 utc | 80

Ok so there are few options we have for the Z-Man.

Whacked by your own security in a military coup style event….fitting.

Fake your own death, and repair to Epstein Island. Hey don’t knock this underrated escape plan!

Lose an actual “election” and attempt to escape. Could get messy, I’ll bet you can rule out 75% of your estates due to “safety issues”

Get blind drunk and railed to the gills on the last of your blow, and swan dive from 23 stories. What a way to go!

Lead the final charge, and in doing so perish like the hero you so desperately want to be.

Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 31 2023 14:56 utc | 81

John Mearsheimer is an idiot. A populist, so-called great whatever...

peer competitor b.s.

Posted by: Kim Sky | Oct 31 2023 14:57 utc | 82

@ mjh | Oct 31 2023 13:26 utc | 57

You're right about Mearsheimer, he's full of shit and full of extreme unconscious pro-US Empire biases.

China is not a threat either. The US is bat shit crazy Paranoid from top to bottom. His pro-Israel anti-Palestinian bias is equally telling -- like all Americans and westerners he is thoroughly brainwashed and doesn't even know it.

I appreciate his factual historical knowledge but his pathetic word choices (and framing of the discussion points) signal the mental discrepancies he lives within. He does not get it ... and yes, he is also a broken record.

See Australian lecture .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62FCVJycwSA

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Oct 31 2023 13:41 utc | 65

With due respect, unlike Mearsheimer, you seem to have forgotten whom he was addressing. The audience was a gaggle of AmeriKkka 1st, jewed-up political 'consultancy' suckholes in lap-dog Oz. In fact exactly the same sort of self-enriching suckholes who populate 'both sides' (cough cough) of Labor/Liberal politics in Oz.

His entire address was based on telling them exactly what he knew they wanted to hear. Had he begun by spouting facts and realty, he'd still be explaining it. And he managed to cover all of the salient parts of his thesis without offending one obedient Drone.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 31 2023 15:09 utc | 83

Just listened to the Mearsheimer lecture. He's right about the number fatal mistakes America made, but what a psychopath. America should have teamed up with Russia to "get" China? Never mind all the destruction and lives lost. And for what? To remain #1? He shouldn't be surprised at what comes America's way.

Posted by: RobertNW | Oct 31 2023 15:14 utc | 84

You guys don't understand. This war isn't ending anytime soon. The Ukrainians don't care about their losses, they just want to kill Russians. This may sound insane to normal thinking peoples, but most Ukrainians aren't right in the head. So there's no rush to negotiate as long as Ukrainians are still willing to fight and die for Zelensky. They are still partying hard in Kiev and the northern and western 2/3 of the country.

Posted by: bored | Oct 31 2023 15:22 utc | 85

Denazification continues.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/11644

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 31 2023 15:24 utc | 86

"He claims that at the beginning of the war, all Ukrainians were ready to defend the country, there were many volunteers. But after the withdrawal of Russian troops from Kiev, the situation changed."

Except for the millions who fled the country when the war started, ... yeah. (Even before the invasion I remember reading stories about young Ukrainian men hiding out the forests to avoid being sent to fight against the breakaway Donbas.)

Posted by: Jonathan Canuck | Oct 31 2023 15:27 utc | 87

Don't kid yourselves. As long as people of influence and authority in the United States want the war to continue, it will continue.

Johnson already is showing signs of having caved.

We've been down this road before.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:28 utc | 88

Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24

The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time.

Good point. If the Ukrainians think the Israelis persuaded the West to abandon them so they could focus on supplying weapons for the slaughter of Gazans ("hey, you said you had no weapons left for us here in Ukraine, but sent 50 Galaxy cargo plane-loads to Israel in the space of a week!") then I could see antisemitism exploding there... and a serious backlash against "Jewish" Zelenskyy, who might even be seen to be collaborating with Israel to ensure they're getting the weapons they need before the g0yim in Ukraine.

Posted by: Observer | Oct 31 2023 15:31 utc | 89

"“Freezing the war, to me, means losing it,” [Zelensky] says."

Well, yes. But pursuing the war means losing it as well.

Losing is the default and the inevitable expectation.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 31 2023 15:32 utc | 90

Time will tell:

Now:

As they have debated the future of the war, one issue has remained taboo: the possibility of negotiating a peace deal with the Russians.​​​​Judging by recent surveys
most Ukrainians would reject such a move, especially if it entailed the loss of any occupied territory.

Seriously?

If you lived in East Germany before The Wall fell
and there was a knock on the door
and it was someone doing "a survey"
you would certainly look behind you, to your left and then to your right,
before you gave an answer. And, unless you had been drinking heavily for three straight days,
you would only give the answers that you believed would keep the official thugs away.

How different is it in Ukraine now?
"Survery?!, you want me to answer questions? what did I do wrong? I haven't done anything. Trust me, I am loyal."

Posted by: librul | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 91

"Our source reports that the Western lobby behind the scenes gave Zelensky an ultimatum.
Either he begins the process of peace negotiations-truce-freeze of the conflict, or financial and military assistance will gradually decrease until it drops to “zero”. At this moment, a lot of negative articles against ZeErmak will be published in the West.

The source indicates that so far we are only talking about negotiations/truce/freeze, without any signed official agreements like the Minsk agreements.

Zelensky hopes that the Israeli case will soon end with the victory of the Jews and the collective West, the British will back up Zelensky, and in 2024 Kiev will be helped by Chisinau, which will reactivate the second front by starting the Transnistrian crisis.

Zelensky is in a difficult situation now, but he can safely raise the stakes. When and to what extent, time will tell.


https://t.me/legitimniy/16592
Posted by: Down South | Oct 31 2023 10:03 utc | 18"

A protracted war in the Middle East is the worst case scenario for Zelenskii, as it distracts the attention of his sponsors and sucks up munitions that are needed to keep the Kiev regime afloat.

A quick Israeli victory is an ideal boost for the Kiev regime, as it gives the West confidence that its wars are easily winnable.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 92

New Russian bio briefing. Includes new activities in Ukraine, possibility of bio false flag. In Russian so will require machine translation.
https://telegra.ph/Materialy-brifinga-po-voenno-biologicheskoj-deyatelnosti-SSHA-10-31

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 31 2023 15:35 utc | 93

"Zelenski still hasn't. He won't concede:

It's obvious what's going on with Zelensky.

Zelensky had a peace deal with Russia ready to go in March/April 2022.

BUT

Zelensky was told by the US/UK - by Boris/Biden/Blinken/Nuland etc. - NO DEAL - Boris/Biden/Blinken told Zelensky the US/UK would support Ukraine until victory and NOT TO SIGN ANY DEALS.

Zelensky had a deal - but was told TEAR IT UP OR WE WILL NOT SUPPORT YOU.

Zelensky is HOLDING US/UK to that promise.

It's that simple.

If Ukraine loses - it is not Zelensky who will be proven WRONG (HE HAD A DEAL!) - it is the US/UK etc. who will be proven wrong.

That is his angle - and he will play it all the way. ALL THE WAY.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 31 2023 10:55 utc | 25"

A deal is worthless if you cannot enforce it.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:36 utc | 94

"About his only realistic option is to flee the country, but where can he flee to, and using what transport? If he hangs in until Kyiv collapses, he can hope that, as P J O'Rourke put it, the USAF will Baby Doc him somewhere nice.

Posted by: MFB | Oct 31 2023 11:27 utc | 29"

How did this work for Saakashvili or Ghani?

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:37 utc | 95

"You guys don't understand. This war isn't ending anytime soon. The Ukrainians don't care about their losses, they just want to kill Russians. This may sound insane to normal thinking peoples, but most Ukrainians aren't right in the head. So there's no rush to negotiate as long as Ukrainians are still willing to fight and die for Zelensky. They are still partying hard in Kiev and the northern and western 2/3 of the country.

Posted by: bored | Oct 31 2023 15:22 utc | 88"

So tell us about the lines of Ukrainian fanatics waiting in line at the recruiting offices so that they can get turned into hamburger.

I lived much of my adult life in Ukraine, although I have not a drop of Slavic blood in me. I speak Russian and more Ukrainian than most people living there. You really don't know the Ukrainian mentality at all.

Basically, Ukrainians see The West as the Golden Land Where Institutions Basically Work. It isn't that way at all, but that's the perception. If hating their fathers and brothers is the price charged for admission to that Blessed Land, then that is the price that they will pay.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:48 utc | 96

"Posted by: Lex | Oct 31 2023 10:43 utc | 24
The stab in the back will be potent in Ukrainian politics (whatever’s left of it) for a long time.

Good point. If the Ukrainians think the Israelis persuaded the West to abandon them so they could focus on supplying weapons for the slaughter of Gazans ("hey, you said you had no weapons left for us here in Ukraine, but sent 50 Galaxy cargo plane-loads to Israel in the space of a week!") then I could see antisemitism exploding there... and a serious backlash against "Jewish" Zelenskyy, who might even be seen to be collaborating with Israel to ensure they're getting the weapons they need before the g0yim in Ukraine.

Posted by: Observer | Oct 31 2023 15:31 utc | 92"

There already is no shortage of antisemitism in Ukraine, although not as bad as Poland (another country I know well).

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:50 utc | 97

The Time article had a photo of a man being loaded into an ambulance with caption claiming that he was injured by a missile strike in Kostiantynivka.

Say what? That is one attack on civilians that was finally admitted to be from the Kiev regime, unlike all the others, right?

To be sure, I put the name in a search engine. The first thing that popped up, as always, was Wikipedia, and damned if the first line of their article also claimed that Russia attacked the city.

I had to go down the line to get to the admission that it was actually a Kiev regime (Ukrainian, they call it), missile.

And then they have the nerve to pontificate and censor, in the name of "combatting misinformation".

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 31 2023 15:50 utc | 98

The Time caption claimed that the man was injured by a Russian missile strike, sorry. I left that out.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Oct 31 2023 15:51 utc | 99

"If you lived in East Germany before The Wall fell
and there was a knock on the door
and it was someone doing "a survey"
you would certainly look behind you, to your left and then to your right,
before you gave an answer. And, unless you had been drinking heavily for three straight days,
you would only give the answers that you believed would keep the official thugs away.

How different is it in Ukraine now?
"Survery?!, you want me to answer questions? what did I do wrong? I haven't done anything. Trust me, I am loyal."

Posted by: librul | Oct 31 2023 15:34 utc | 94"

Shortly before the regime in Kabul fell, surveys purported to show that there was little support for the Taliban, that the government had problems but was generally supported by a substantial majority of respondents, etc..

Well, duh.

Even in a supposedly "blind" survey, there's nothing to be gained and potentially much to be lost in telling the truth.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 31 2023 15:52 utc | 100

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