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October 13, 2023
The Split In Israel And The War Of Al-Aqsa

What is the reason for the 'Al-Aqsa Deluge', as Hamas had named its terror operation against the Zionists?

On October 8 Alastair Crooke, one of most experienced Middle East hands, wrote in AlMahadeen:

"Israel" has shattered into two equally weighted factions holding to two irreconcilable visions of "Israel’s" future; two mutually opposing readings of history and of what it means to be Jewish.

The fissure could not be more complete. Except it is. One faction, which holds a majority in parliament, is broadly Mizrahi — a former underclass in Israeli society; and the other, largely well-to-do liberal Ashkenazi.

Mizrahi are mostly the original Middle Eastern Jews and often on the religious far right, Ashkenazi are mostly liberal European ones. The current Netanyahoo government is the first which includes far-right Mizrahi ministers.

Most Mizrahi follow the Sephardi religious rites. They want an religious state based on Jewish law.  They are as radial as ISIS.

The high court of Israel has 14 Ashkenazi judges and one Mizrahi one. It is one of the reasons why the Netanyahoo government wants the parliament to be able to vote down high court judgements. There have been large, U.S. sponsored 'regime change' protests in Israel against that move. The leaders of the military and security services, mostly Ashkenazi, have also opposed the government move against the court.

I therefore think that it is quite possible that there was intelligence pointing to the Hamas attack, but that it was not revealed to let Netanyahoo fall into a trap. We have however no evidence that there were reasonably precise intelligence warnings, or that they were held up.

There are already demands for Netanyahoo to go. If only for his long term sponsoring of Hamas as a counterweight to the more secular Fatah Palestinians. Should he no longer be prime minister the courts will take up the three bribe cases against him which are currently pending. He would likely end up in jail.

Another reason for Hamas' success was the fact that three of the four infantry battalions, with 800 soldiers each, that usually guard the Gaza strip,  had been moved to the West Bank to protect right-wing Zionist settlers during a religious holiday. This allowed for Hamas' easy breach of the fence.

Back to Alastair Crooke on the real motive of the Al-Aqsa flood:

Well, the Right in Netanyahu’s government has two long-standing commitments. One is to rebuild the (Jewish) Temple on ‘Temple Mount’ (Haram al-Shariff).

Just to be clear, that would entail demolishing Al-Aqsa.

The second overriding commitment is to the founding of "Israel", on the "Land of Israel". And again, to be clear, this (in their view) would entail clearing Palestinians from the West Bank. Indeed, the settlers have been cleansing Palestinians from swaths of the West Bank over the past year (notably between Ramallah and Jericho).

On Thursday morning (two days preceding Al-Aqsa Flood), more than 800 settlers stormed the Mosque Compound, under the full protection of Israeli forces. The drumbeat of such provocations is rising.

This is nothing new. The First Intifada was triggered by (then) PM Sharon making a provocative visit into the mosque. I was a part of Senator George Mitchell’s Presidential Committee investigating that incident. Even then, it was clear that Sharon intended the visit to fuel the fire of religious nationalism. At that time, the Temple Mount Movement was a minnow; today it has ministers in Cabinet and in key security positions — and has promised its followers to build the ‘Third Temple’.

So, the threat to Al-Aqsa has been building for two decades, and today is reaching an apex. And yet US and Israeli intelligence didn’t see resistance coming, and nor did they see the settler violence building in the West Bank?

What happened on Saturday was widely expected and clearly extensively planned.

There is by the way no archaeologic evidence, none, that a Jewish 'Temple' ever existed in Jerusalem. If it did, it was most likely not on the hill of Al-Aqsa but one of the six other ones.

Al-Aqsa is holy to all Muslims, Shia and Sunni alike. Its destruction would inevitably lead to war. The West is clearly underestimating what forces calls like this one can rise:

Khalid Aljabri, MD د.خالد الجبري @JabriMD – 11:52 UTC · Oct 13, 2023

Friday sermon from the Grand Mosque in Mecca prays for the “liberation of Al-Aqsa Mosque” in Jerusalem.

This is significant for two reasons:
• Audience of 2 billion Muslims.
• Such sermons have been significantly censored under MBS. Today's sermon was likely pre-approved.
Video

Israel has used White Phosphorus on the people in Gaza, another war crime. Israel has given all people in north Gaza, 1.1 million human beings, 24 hours to move to south Gaza. That is impossible and will not happen. It is an attempt of ethnic cleansing.

Caitlin Johnstone @caitoz – 10:52 UTC · Oct 13, 2023

If there were two million Jewish people trapped by Christians in a giant open-air prison and placed under total siege, being told that half of them had 24 hours to relocate into the other half or be killed, nobody would have any confusion about what they were witnessing.

If Israel makes, as announced, a ground attack on Gaza, Hizbullah in Lebanon is likely to attack Israel. The U.S. has allegedly let Syria know (via France) that Damascus, and President Assad personally, would be attacked if that were to happen. This is a miscalculation. It is far from certain that Assad, or even Iran, has the means to hold Hizbullah back.

A U.S. attack on the government of Syria would bring Russia into the war. Iran would also respond which is exactly what some of the neocons want.

The war could easily escalate further from there.

Comments

Very sadly, I fear the beginning of the end will be Israel dropping an atomic bomb on Damascus.

Posted by: W | Oct 13 2023 17:15 utc | 101

Very sadly, I fear the beginning of the end will be Israel dropping an atomic bomb on Damascus.

Posted by: W | Oct 13 2023 17:15 utc | 102

Greater Israel? (a Twitter thread)
https://twitter.com/john30028168/status/1711863650070221261
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2023 17:17 utc | 103

Greater Israel? (a Twitter thread)
https://twitter.com/john30028168/status/1711863650070221261
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2023 17:17 utc | 104

Never say it’s the “Jews”, cuz it isn’t. Always say it’s the Europeans / Ashkanazi against the locals.
Posted by: Hot carl | Oct 13 2023 16:14 utc | 9
Boo hoo. Preposterous bullshit. It’s the Russians winning the SMO even if there’s a few Russians who oppose it. It’s the Americans bullying the world even if a couple weakly object. It’s the Chinese building BRICS even if some Chinese are corrupt and work for the West.
No need for the hand-wringing special apologism for the jews. They’ve had thousands of years to fix their problems. Any intelligent person knows that by “jews” we don’t implicate the precious few that do stand up. Besides, a hebrew bourla talking genocide through vaccines isn’t any better than an ashkenazi soros or netanyahu.

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 13 2023 17:22 utc | 105

Never say it’s the “Jews”, cuz it isn’t. Always say it’s the Europeans / Ashkanazi against the locals.
Posted by: Hot carl | Oct 13 2023 16:14 utc | 9
Boo hoo. Preposterous bullshit. It’s the Russians winning the SMO even if there’s a few Russians who oppose it. It’s the Americans bullying the world even if a couple weakly object. It’s the Chinese building BRICS even if some Chinese are corrupt and work for the West.
No need for the hand-wringing special apologism for the jews. They’ve had thousands of years to fix their problems. Any intelligent person knows that by “jews” we don’t implicate the precious few that do stand up. Besides, a hebrew bourla talking genocide through vaccines isn’t any better than an ashkenazi soros or netanyahu.

Posted by: Michael A | Oct 13 2023 17:22 utc | 106

Does anyone else find it odd that of the 150 or so hostages that Hamas has, I have not seen a single name published or story, other than a TikTok video of an Israeli mom pleading for her child to be released?
I may have missed something, as I haven’t been scouring Israeli media. However, here in the US, there has been a conspicuous absence of coverage of the individuals (Americans) who have been taken hostage, nor much mention of the identities of the 27 dead Americans.
Something is very wrong, here. Normally there would be a list of names, along with local coverage in the hometowns of the affected relatives. I have seen zero.
My theory on the hostages at least is that they’re deliberately holding back names so that when the IDF goes in and kills them, or a gravity bomb turns them into pink mist, their names are never known.
Surely the US State Dept. knows the identity of these folks, or could, if they wanted to.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 13 2023 17:24 utc | 107

Does anyone else find it odd that of the 150 or so hostages that Hamas has, I have not seen a single name published or story, other than a TikTok video of an Israeli mom pleading for her child to be released?
I may have missed something, as I haven’t been scouring Israeli media. However, here in the US, there has been a conspicuous absence of coverage of the individuals (Americans) who have been taken hostage, nor much mention of the identities of the 27 dead Americans.
Something is very wrong, here. Normally there would be a list of names, along with local coverage in the hometowns of the affected relatives. I have seen zero.
My theory on the hostages at least is that they’re deliberately holding back names so that when the IDF goes in and kills them, or a gravity bomb turns them into pink mist, their names are never known.
Surely the US State Dept. knows the identity of these folks, or could, if they wanted to.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 13 2023 17:24 utc | 108

Yup the frog that is the populations of the Collective Waste is about to get boiled – the Big All In move has to happen now or never. We have been told of greater and greater casualties – now we are to accept millions, perhaps billions.
Xi and Putin and co have known this for a long long time – hence their frantic efforts at trying to get the deluded rest of the world to understand, if not onside against the mass conflagration that is occurring.
Our masters need a New Narrative to inculcate into the surviving future generations. Having replaced Napoleon, with the Hun and Nazis, then the Commies, who actually almost annihilated these proxies. Shame that some were saved to make the current efforts.
So it’s only China that has been sitting out on the sidelines. Trying to work it out with the Arabs and Indians to do the same and not be led into a cauldron , which is where the Nukes will go off. These desert cities have been built to be brutally destroyed.
A bit dystopian and pessimistic of me, some may say. I hope they are right.
I’ll repeat the only option is to target these very few who pull all the strings, let them surrender and pay back and ship out of their grand palaces and bunkers where they have been frantically collecting the worlds art and wealth since the QE tap was turned on.
Where they have collected food for several generations as they expect to live on, whilst the remaining humanity returns to a Stone Age!
That is the actual psychopath world view that needs destroying. It has to be done by the tool and sacrifice of these other countries. We citizens and subjects are in no way capable of rising up against our sadistic masters as they have long since learned to hide away. There are no palaces to storm. No kings heads to chop off.
Threatening Assad directly? That is the desperate loser move. Because after his state visit to China it is obvious that both China and Russia and true believers of the multipolar will rally to his defence.
So it comes down to these still sat on the wall , I already mentioned India and Pakistan, previously. It’s Erdo and his natzo forces that may well decide whether it will be Peace or Total destruction.
Either way the Old Bastards must be removed for ever from their Power.
Hope to see the weekend through before we are toasted, as some great quarter final matches.
Have a great Friday folks. I’m off for a few pints befor the Vogons proceed with their plans.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 13 2023 17:25 utc | 109

Yup the frog that is the populations of the Collective Waste is about to get boiled – the Big All In move has to happen now or never. We have been told of greater and greater casualties – now we are to accept millions, perhaps billions.
Xi and Putin and co have known this for a long long time – hence their frantic efforts at trying to get the deluded rest of the world to understand, if not onside against the mass conflagration that is occurring.
Our masters need a New Narrative to inculcate into the surviving future generations. Having replaced Napoleon, with the Hun and Nazis, then the Commies, who actually almost annihilated these proxies. Shame that some were saved to make the current efforts.
So it’s only China that has been sitting out on the sidelines. Trying to work it out with the Arabs and Indians to do the same and not be led into a cauldron , which is where the Nukes will go off. These desert cities have been built to be brutally destroyed.
A bit dystopian and pessimistic of me, some may say. I hope they are right.
I’ll repeat the only option is to target these very few who pull all the strings, let them surrender and pay back and ship out of their grand palaces and bunkers where they have been frantically collecting the worlds art and wealth since the QE tap was turned on.
Where they have collected food for several generations as they expect to live on, whilst the remaining humanity returns to a Stone Age!
That is the actual psychopath world view that needs destroying. It has to be done by the tool and sacrifice of these other countries. We citizens and subjects are in no way capable of rising up against our sadistic masters as they have long since learned to hide away. There are no palaces to storm. No kings heads to chop off.
Threatening Assad directly? That is the desperate loser move. Because after his state visit to China it is obvious that both China and Russia and true believers of the multipolar will rally to his defence.
So it comes down to these still sat on the wall , I already mentioned India and Pakistan, previously. It’s Erdo and his natzo forces that may well decide whether it will be Peace or Total destruction.
Either way the Old Bastards must be removed for ever from their Power.
Hope to see the weekend through before we are toasted, as some great quarter final matches.
Have a great Friday folks. I’m off for a few pints befor the Vogons proceed with their plans.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 13 2023 17:25 utc | 110

“…where negotiating with them is a toxic position. Are these events true, has anyone in Iran or Hamas condemned it?” – @Christian J Chuba
Why Iran? Is Iran required to condemn anything anyone does? Iran had nothing to do with the Hamas attack, but do you (like many others) hold that Iran NOT condemning an act is tacit approval of that act? It happens all the time in the US- our government does messed up things to other countries, but Joe the Plumber doesn’t step up to the cameras and say he condemns whatever it was that was so bad- does that automatically make him a silent accomplice? No, of course not. When Iran is ready to make a statement it will make a statement- but don’t expect condemnation from them, considering many around the world are of the opinion that Israel had this coming (and ARE saying so in front of the cameras). (On the other hand, how many pro-Israel folks have come out to condemn the daily killing of Palestinians by Israeli forces? Not many, I’ll warrant. Does that mean the majority of Israelis support the killing of Palestinian civilians just for being Palestinian?)

Posted by: John S | Oct 13 2023 17:26 utc | 111

“…where negotiating with them is a toxic position. Are these events true, has anyone in Iran or Hamas condemned it?” – @Christian J Chuba
Why Iran? Is Iran required to condemn anything anyone does? Iran had nothing to do with the Hamas attack, but do you (like many others) hold that Iran NOT condemning an act is tacit approval of that act? It happens all the time in the US- our government does messed up things to other countries, but Joe the Plumber doesn’t step up to the cameras and say he condemns whatever it was that was so bad- does that automatically make him a silent accomplice? No, of course not. When Iran is ready to make a statement it will make a statement- but don’t expect condemnation from them, considering many around the world are of the opinion that Israel had this coming (and ARE saying so in front of the cameras). (On the other hand, how many pro-Israel folks have come out to condemn the daily killing of Palestinians by Israeli forces? Not many, I’ll warrant. Does that mean the majority of Israelis support the killing of Palestinian civilians just for being Palestinian?)

Posted by: John S | Oct 13 2023 17:26 utc | 112

Jonathan Cook has written an important article I warmly recommend:
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/13/lawless-in-gaza-why-west-backs-israel-no-matter-what/

Posted by: JB | Oct 13 2023 17:32 utc | 113

Jonathan Cook has written an important article I warmly recommend:
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/13/lawless-in-gaza-why-west-backs-israel-no-matter-what/

Posted by: JB | Oct 13 2023 17:32 utc | 114

b@24…..every wonder why the Apartheid State sent archaeologists to Iraq during the Gulf Wars. They spent weeks with full US military cover digging in the sand……where they looking for the keys…..to the Ark? Or the Deed to chattel?
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 13 2023 17:32 utc | 115

b@24…..every wonder why the Apartheid State sent archaeologists to Iraq during the Gulf Wars. They spent weeks with full US military cover digging in the sand……where they looking for the keys…..to the Ark? Or the Deed to chattel?
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 13 2023 17:32 utc | 116

@Monos Not defending Israel or anything, but this is blatant revisionism. There is plenty of archaeological evidence for the remains of the Jewish Temple situated on the summit the Temple Mount in Jerusalem that was destroyed by the Romans in 70.
Then show it. Show me a paper in an archeologist magazine that says so. There is zero evidence for the first (Solomon) temple and very dubious evidence for the temple the Romans allegedly destroyed.
The Zionist have dug under Al-Aqsa as far as possible and found … nothing

Let’s see, we have the surviving portions of the huge retaining wall that Herod built during his expansion of the Temple complex, along with the stairways and colonnades. We have the Trumpeting Place inscription and the Temple Warning inscription. As for digging underneath the Temple Mount, well you’re not going to find much of anything down there to prove the Second Temple’s existence because it stood on top the Temple Mount where the Al-Aqsa mosque stands today. The only way to get direct, instead of indirect, archaeological proof of the Second Temple’s existence would entail tearing down the mosque to examine its foundations. Doing so would be highly problematic, geopolitically-speaking, to say the least.
Your assertion also ignores the literary evidence of the Second Temple’s existence, and I’m not talking about the Bible either. Strabo (a Greek) states there was a temple to the Jewish God standing in Jerusalem in his day (early First Century AD), and Josephus (a Hellenized Jew) goes in to great detail describing its wholesale destruction (along with the rest of post-Herodian Jerusalem) during the Great Jewish Revolt. Or, do you suppose that Josephus just made all of that up?
One does not have to be a ‘Zionist’ to accept the available evidence that supports the existence of the Second Temple. Having said that, I acknowledge that the field of Second Temple Judaism studies is overrun with ‘Zionists’ who have a certain political agenda: namely that the evidence of the Second Temple somehow validates the Israeli state.

Posted by: Monos | Oct 13 2023 17:36 utc | 117

@Monos Not defending Israel or anything, but this is blatant revisionism. There is plenty of archaeological evidence for the remains of the Jewish Temple situated on the summit the Temple Mount in Jerusalem that was destroyed by the Romans in 70.
Then show it. Show me a paper in an archeologist magazine that says so. There is zero evidence for the first (Solomon) temple and very dubious evidence for the temple the Romans allegedly destroyed.
The Zionist have dug under Al-Aqsa as far as possible and found … nothing

Let’s see, we have the surviving portions of the huge retaining wall that Herod built during his expansion of the Temple complex, along with the stairways and colonnades. We have the Trumpeting Place inscription and the Temple Warning inscription. As for digging underneath the Temple Mount, well you’re not going to find much of anything down there to prove the Second Temple’s existence because it stood on top the Temple Mount where the Al-Aqsa mosque stands today. The only way to get direct, instead of indirect, archaeological proof of the Second Temple’s existence would entail tearing down the mosque to examine its foundations. Doing so would be highly problematic, geopolitically-speaking, to say the least.
Your assertion also ignores the literary evidence of the Second Temple’s existence, and I’m not talking about the Bible either. Strabo (a Greek) states there was a temple to the Jewish God standing in Jerusalem in his day (early First Century AD), and Josephus (a Hellenized Jew) goes in to great detail describing its wholesale destruction (along with the rest of post-Herodian Jerusalem) during the Great Jewish Revolt. Or, do you suppose that Josephus just made all of that up?
One does not have to be a ‘Zionist’ to accept the available evidence that supports the existence of the Second Temple. Having said that, I acknowledge that the field of Second Temple Judaism studies is overrun with ‘Zionists’ who have a certain political agenda: namely that the evidence of the Second Temple somehow validates the Israeli state.

Posted by: Monos | Oct 13 2023 17:36 utc | 118

VP stated a nazi like siege of Leningrad is unacceptable for Gaza. There’s a history lesson.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 13 2023 17:38 utc | 119

VP stated a nazi like siege of Leningrad is unacceptable for Gaza. There’s a history lesson.

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 13 2023 17:38 utc | 120

Posted by: Just Observing | Oct 13 2023 16:52 utc | 38
My observations re the “Dance Festival”…
1. That Tent – the focus of the Rave event, is extremely small. Even I could put it up in an hour. Maybe suitable for a yoga event for around 300 people, not 3,000. Only about 6 portaloos.
2. Why exactly was it there just across the border.
3. Most people at such dance events, might drink lots of water, but typically not loads of Jack Daniels – so what’s the added clip, showing a bar?
4. I have seen no evidence that anyone at the dance event was killed, but accept that, most there were probably innocent, and that the video that Syrian Girl posted was legit – They were terrified and ran – cos of some Gloks and AK47’s going bang – but no blood, no slaughter, and people hiding in grass and bushes in the desert???
5. The Girl reporting the head chopped baby thing, couldn’t stop smiling, and has been sourced to who she actually works for…The entire thing was complete bollocks – and the Daily Telegraph was disgusting today, still trying to make out this event was real
However, whilst much of the rest of it seems to be true, even I can notice the fakery, when I look at it all again.
It’s all extremely strange, and I hope things do calm down, or its all going to become extremely horrible for Billions of People, cos it really does have the potential to escallate into WWIII over a bunch of religious nutters

Posted by: tony_opmoc | Oct 13 2023 17:39 utc | 121

Posted by: Just Observing | Oct 13 2023 16:52 utc | 38
My observations re the “Dance Festival”…
1. That Tent – the focus of the Rave event, is extremely small. Even I could put it up in an hour. Maybe suitable for a yoga event for around 300 people, not 3,000. Only about 6 portaloos.
2. Why exactly was it there just across the border.
3. Most people at such dance events, might drink lots of water, but typically not loads of Jack Daniels – so what’s the added clip, showing a bar?
4. I have seen no evidence that anyone at the dance event was killed, but accept that, most there were probably innocent, and that the video that Syrian Girl posted was legit – They were terrified and ran – cos of some Gloks and AK47’s going bang – but no blood, no slaughter, and people hiding in grass and bushes in the desert???
5. The Girl reporting the head chopped baby thing, couldn’t stop smiling, and has been sourced to who she actually works for…The entire thing was complete bollocks – and the Daily Telegraph was disgusting today, still trying to make out this event was real
However, whilst much of the rest of it seems to be true, even I can notice the fakery, when I look at it all again.
It’s all extremely strange, and I hope things do calm down, or its all going to become extremely horrible for Billions of People, cos it really does have the potential to escallate into WWIII over a bunch of religious nutters

Posted by: tony_opmoc | Oct 13 2023 17:39 utc | 122

Hankster: Leningrad was an interesting choice for comparison by Putin wasn’t it?

Posted by: A | Oct 13 2023 17:40 utc | 123

Hankster: Leningrad was an interesting choice for comparison by Putin wasn’t it?

Posted by: A | Oct 13 2023 17:40 utc | 124

It is alarming how brittle our western countries, our supposed democracies, have become, particularly accelerated by the covid years. When not outright criminalized, dissent from official narrative is increasingly dealt with through a “social credit” apparatus – cancellations, demonetizations, etc – operating with zero due process to effectively intimidate the expression of unwanted opinion. The basic unrelenting mediocrity of elected officials almost ensures that bad decision-making is ahead, and it is warranted to be extremely concerned that some sort of overt authoritarian superstructure will be enforced as a result.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 13 2023 17:42 utc | 125

It is alarming how brittle our western countries, our supposed democracies, have become, particularly accelerated by the covid years. When not outright criminalized, dissent from official narrative is increasingly dealt with through a “social credit” apparatus – cancellations, demonetizations, etc – operating with zero due process to effectively intimidate the expression of unwanted opinion. The basic unrelenting mediocrity of elected officials almost ensures that bad decision-making is ahead, and it is warranted to be extremely concerned that some sort of overt authoritarian superstructure will be enforced as a result.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 13 2023 17:42 utc | 126

The greatest danger is from within: the rapidly expanding haredi state-within-a-state whose current dynamic cannot continue …….
https://m.jpost.com/opinion/haredim-not-arabs-or-iran-are-the-biggest-threat-to-israel-opinion-672968
Posted by: Exile | Oct 13 2023 16:17 utc | 12
This is clearly a ‘Bad for Business’ article, as if Israel goes full religious state, nobody will do business with them and this is a possibility as long as the situation escalates. Every bomb dropped on Gaza makes business worse.
On the other shoe, there is a great cover-up that is being advances, as we should all know, something is needed to disguise the increasing and up-coming radical effects of the C-19 mRNA (circular DNA; that was never removed) jabs [Bio-warfare]. Nuclear war by any means as long as the dust cloud(s) can be said to cover the globe.

Posted by: T S | Oct 13 2023 17:47 utc | 127

The greatest danger is from within: the rapidly expanding haredi state-within-a-state whose current dynamic cannot continue …….
https://m.jpost.com/opinion/haredim-not-arabs-or-iran-are-the-biggest-threat-to-israel-opinion-672968
Posted by: Exile | Oct 13 2023 16:17 utc | 12
This is clearly a ‘Bad for Business’ article, as if Israel goes full religious state, nobody will do business with them and this is a possibility as long as the situation escalates. Every bomb dropped on Gaza makes business worse.
On the other shoe, there is a great cover-up that is being advances, as we should all know, something is needed to disguise the increasing and up-coming radical effects of the C-19 mRNA (circular DNA; that was never removed) jabs [Bio-warfare]. Nuclear war by any means as long as the dust cloud(s) can be said to cover the globe.

Posted by: T S | Oct 13 2023 17:47 utc | 128

It’s quite ominous how b’s logic seems so inexorable, all but inescapable. After Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza, it’s hard to imagine Hezbollah keeping out of this fight — a thread which pulls in Lebanon, which pulls in Russia. Sometimes the path ahead charts a distinct future, like finding the solution to the puzzle “white to checkmate in four moves.”

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 13 2023 17:48 utc | 129

It’s quite ominous how b’s logic seems so inexorable, all but inescapable. After Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza, it’s hard to imagine Hezbollah keeping out of this fight — a thread which pulls in Lebanon, which pulls in Russia. Sometimes the path ahead charts a distinct future, like finding the solution to the puzzle “white to checkmate in four moves.”

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 13 2023 17:48 utc | 130

Well done, that is how I have understood things since shortly after the millenium. “Monkey with a grenade.”
Is Ariel Sharon still “alive”? I haven’t been keeping up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 13 2023 17:50 utc | 131

Well done, that is how I have understood things since shortly after the millenium. “Monkey with a grenade.”
Is Ariel Sharon still “alive”? I haven’t been keeping up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 13 2023 17:50 utc | 132

Putin compares Gaza blockade to Nazi siege of Leningrad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50wkv7C-vSY

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 13 2023 17:51 utc | 133

Putin compares Gaza blockade to Nazi siege of Leningrad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50wkv7C-vSY

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 13 2023 17:51 utc | 134

I do not agree to Crooke. As far as I see it, the radical national religious settler movement is mainly based on ashkenazi jews from the US and Canada, not on oriental jews. So there seems to be a split between secular liberal jews and radical national religious zionist jews on the ashkenazi side that is important to understand the actual conflict within Israels society.
Crooke is correct when he describes the oriental jews as the underdogs in Isreals society compared to the Ashkenazis, but he bis wrong when he seems them as mainly national religious radical zionists. The whole situation is much more complicate.

Posted by: Bystander | Oct 13 2023 17:54 utc | 135

I do not agree to Crooke. As far as I see it, the radical national religious settler movement is mainly based on ashkenazi jews from the US and Canada, not on oriental jews. So there seems to be a split between secular liberal jews and radical national religious zionist jews on the ashkenazi side that is important to understand the actual conflict within Israels society.
Crooke is correct when he describes the oriental jews as the underdogs in Isreals society compared to the Ashkenazis, but he bis wrong when he seems them as mainly national religious radical zionists. The whole situation is much more complicate.

Posted by: Bystander | Oct 13 2023 17:54 utc | 136

RE: “Have a great Friday folks. I’m off for a few pints befor the Vogons proceed with their plans.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 13 2023 17:25 utc | 55
Well, we will move through this weekend and many, many more to come as it appears “suffrage” is the commonality that all of humanity gets to partake in these days no matter where on the globe one is.
Nevertheless 🍻 Enjoy the pub!

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 13 2023 17:55 utc | 137

RE: “Have a great Friday folks. I’m off for a few pints befor the Vogons proceed with their plans.”
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 13 2023 17:25 utc | 55
Well, we will move through this weekend and many, many more to come as it appears “suffrage” is the commonality that all of humanity gets to partake in these days no matter where on the globe one is.
Nevertheless 🍻 Enjoy the pub!

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 13 2023 17:55 utc | 138

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 13 2023 17:48 utc | 65
Seems like its only a matter of time with Lebanon after the murder of journalists over the border and various Zionist operations against locations in the south. The Armed Forces of Lebanon have already shelled Zionist locations in response, but it all of course remains to be seen.

Posted by: warxism | Oct 13 2023 18:03 utc | 139

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 13 2023 17:48 utc | 65
Seems like its only a matter of time with Lebanon after the murder of journalists over the border and various Zionist operations against locations in the south. The Armed Forces of Lebanon have already shelled Zionist locations in response, but it all of course remains to be seen.

Posted by: warxism | Oct 13 2023 18:03 utc | 140

Crooke paid too much attention to Mizrahi-Ashkenazi split. In my observation, social and political divisions in Israel are only loosely correlated with that categorization. Number one, “mixed marriages” seem frequent, but since Ashkenazi came in larger number earlier and often had higher education before coming, they dominated leadership for decades, and that may persist in judiciary and military command. Number two, there is much deeper split between “ultra-Orthodox” and others. Ultra-Orthodox have worldview strongly influenced by Torah and Talmud, and there are both Mizrahi and Ashkenazi.
One of the pet causes of many Ultras is restoration of the Temple and instituting theocracy like in Iran. A religious council, Sanhedrin, would be ruling like analogous councils in Iran, and presumably there would be a “normal government” like in Iran that would obey the guidance of Sanhedrin. This is my interpretation, because Sanhedrin would consist of sages that, like in Iran, are not interested in bureaucratic duties. Needless to say, more secular folks (not necessarily agnostic) would have deep reservations in giving government ministries to such guy, but Likud and National Unity (fresh Likud offshoot) do not. Apart from Sanhedrin issue, there is a host of conflicts between secular and ultra-Orthodox, but a lot of positions in between.
The international importance of Ultras is their crazy plan that manifestly assures a vehement conflict with analogous folks on Muslim side. So they are perfect for sparking bloody conflicts, but probably more as a tool than the actual deciders.
A more profound problem is that Zionism from the start was not a universalist movement, but focused on building a new nation (restoring it their language) that would achieve greatness, lording over an area, so the area should be as large as possible and dominance over non-members of that nation as complete as possible. But from the beginning, there was a division on the question: what is possible? What the new/restored nation can do without some calamity or a lamentable setback. So we had a consensus about the goal, but disagreement about the means etc. Israel, being a smallish nation, must secure support of larger nations like France and Britain (allies in 1956 war) or USA (after that war), and those nations cannot be alienated by going too far.
The passing of the government-building majority from Labor to Likud meant that the cautious approach of Labor was viewed as inferior to bolder Likud. And that was true! In short, the history of Israel is that of constant “stretching the envelope” while avoiding alienating USA and other key countries. Due to indefatigable efforts of Israeli diplomacy and lobbying in diaspora, the envelope was wider and wider. To clarify, my conclusion is that the reality in Israel is continuously evolving because of external factor: the impulse to expand and dominate is constant, but external constraint eroded to what we see today and what we would not see 10 years ago, and 10 years ago the same could be said.
In the meantime, the demographic balance in Israel was changing, Ultras being extremely good in producing babies, new immigrants having more of neophytic zeal (perhaps), but the key dynamic was the more and more taboos created to accommodate “the nations” were broken because they could be broken. And why they could be broken? This is beyond my competence. E.g. one can point to “Christian Zionists”, but that does not explain the witch hunt on “anti-Semites” in the British Labour Party.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 13 2023 18:06 utc | 141

Crooke paid too much attention to Mizrahi-Ashkenazi split. In my observation, social and political divisions in Israel are only loosely correlated with that categorization. Number one, “mixed marriages” seem frequent, but since Ashkenazi came in larger number earlier and often had higher education before coming, they dominated leadership for decades, and that may persist in judiciary and military command. Number two, there is much deeper split between “ultra-Orthodox” and others. Ultra-Orthodox have worldview strongly influenced by Torah and Talmud, and there are both Mizrahi and Ashkenazi.
One of the pet causes of many Ultras is restoration of the Temple and instituting theocracy like in Iran. A religious council, Sanhedrin, would be ruling like analogous councils in Iran, and presumably there would be a “normal government” like in Iran that would obey the guidance of Sanhedrin. This is my interpretation, because Sanhedrin would consist of sages that, like in Iran, are not interested in bureaucratic duties. Needless to say, more secular folks (not necessarily agnostic) would have deep reservations in giving government ministries to such guy, but Likud and National Unity (fresh Likud offshoot) do not. Apart from Sanhedrin issue, there is a host of conflicts between secular and ultra-Orthodox, but a lot of positions in between.
The international importance of Ultras is their crazy plan that manifestly assures a vehement conflict with analogous folks on Muslim side. So they are perfect for sparking bloody conflicts, but probably more as a tool than the actual deciders.
A more profound problem is that Zionism from the start was not a universalist movement, but focused on building a new nation (restoring it their language) that would achieve greatness, lording over an area, so the area should be as large as possible and dominance over non-members of that nation as complete as possible. But from the beginning, there was a division on the question: what is possible? What the new/restored nation can do without some calamity or a lamentable setback. So we had a consensus about the goal, but disagreement about the means etc. Israel, being a smallish nation, must secure support of larger nations like France and Britain (allies in 1956 war) or USA (after that war), and those nations cannot be alienated by going too far.
The passing of the government-building majority from Labor to Likud meant that the cautious approach of Labor was viewed as inferior to bolder Likud. And that was true! In short, the history of Israel is that of constant “stretching the envelope” while avoiding alienating USA and other key countries. Due to indefatigable efforts of Israeli diplomacy and lobbying in diaspora, the envelope was wider and wider. To clarify, my conclusion is that the reality in Israel is continuously evolving because of external factor: the impulse to expand and dominate is constant, but external constraint eroded to what we see today and what we would not see 10 years ago, and 10 years ago the same could be said.
In the meantime, the demographic balance in Israel was changing, Ultras being extremely good in producing babies, new immigrants having more of neophytic zeal (perhaps), but the key dynamic was the more and more taboos created to accommodate “the nations” were broken because they could be broken. And why they could be broken? This is beyond my competence. E.g. one can point to “Christian Zionists”, but that does not explain the witch hunt on “anti-Semites” in the British Labour Party.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 13 2023 18:06 utc | 142

Posted by: JB | Oct 13 2023 17:32 utc | 57
I sometimes find Jonathan Cook a bit wishywashy – far too polite – but he is absolutely brilliant here, saying exactly what he thinks in Gaza, I suspect, totally terrified re whether he and his wife and family are going to survive.
Good Bloke

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Oct 13 2023 18:11 utc | 143

Posted by: JB | Oct 13 2023 17:32 utc | 57
I sometimes find Jonathan Cook a bit wishywashy – far too polite – but he is absolutely brilliant here, saying exactly what he thinks in Gaza, I suspect, totally terrified re whether he and his wife and family are going to survive.
Good Bloke

Posted by: tony_0pmoc | Oct 13 2023 18:11 utc | 144

Posted by: JB | Oct 13 2023 17:32 utc | 57
Yes, Gaza seems to be a larger trial model of the WEF’s 15 minute city concept. Given that, in the West, at least, many of our governments seem to be led and staffed by WEF young leaders these days, we should be really concerned about what Israel has ben doing in their Gaza concentration camp.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/13/lawless-in-gaza-why-west-backs-israel-no-matter-what/

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 13 2023 18:14 utc | 145

Posted by: JB | Oct 13 2023 17:32 utc | 57
Yes, Gaza seems to be a larger trial model of the WEF’s 15 minute city concept. Given that, in the West, at least, many of our governments seem to be led and staffed by WEF young leaders these days, we should be really concerned about what Israel has ben doing in their Gaza concentration camp.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/13/lawless-in-gaza-why-west-backs-israel-no-matter-what/

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 13 2023 18:14 utc | 146

Posted by: Hot carl | Oct 13 2023 16:14 utc | 9
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During the time of the Prophet in Medina, it was the Jews, who behaved a lot like today’s Jews. It’s uncanny how their strategies and motivations have stayed consistent for so long.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2023 18:17 utc | 147

Posted by: Hot carl | Oct 13 2023 16:14 utc | 9
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During the time of the Prophet in Medina, it was the Jews, who behaved a lot like today’s Jews. It’s uncanny how their strategies and motivations have stayed consistent for so long.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2023 18:17 utc | 148

Not sure if this TV report is mentioned anywhere in comments, so I just deliver the English transcript and the link to the video:
Zionist regime channel 12 TV report
Channel 12 of the Zionist regime published a report about the behavior of the Palestinian resistance fighters towards the settlers.
According to the report of “Quds” website, Rotim, a settler from Kibbutz “Kfar Gaza” in the southwest of the occupied territories, in an interview with Channel 12 of the Zionist regime, narrated the moment when the resistance forces entered her house as follows: “When the attack began, my children were asleep. . I entered the shelter to be with them. I closed the shelter door.
“I told them it’s dangerous out there and there are bad guys out there,” Rotim continues. Moments later, I heard the sudden entry of [forces] into my house; I heard that they are speaking Arabic in my house. I tried to push the shelter door hard so that they could not enter.”
And she adds: “But 6 [resistance] forces were in my house. They managed to open the shelter door. A bullet was fired at the door of the shelter. This bullet only wounded me and then hit the closet. The troops entered the shelter and I told them there are two children here! This was the first thing I told them.”
“I told them this in English and they looked at us for a moment and one of them said to us in English, ‘Don’t worry,'” added Rotim. We are Muslims and we will not harm you. On the one hand, I was surprised when I heard these words, and on the other hand, my stress decreased.”
“I sat next to my children and the [resistance] forces brought a chair from the dining room,” she continued. One of the armed forces was with us full-time in the shelter, and the others were constantly going back and forth in the house. One of them saw the bananas on the table and said to me: Can I take one? (Rotim’s smile) I said: Yes! You can take one.”
Rotim narrates: “My eldest son was a little stressed; But my daughter was not too impressed and was playing with her tablet. Those weapons did not scare my children very much. At first, they were talking to each other next to the shelter; They spoke Arabic. My son asked me: Does that mean they are thinking of apologizing to us? (Rotim’s smile) I told my son: “It doesn’t look like that.”
In the end, she said: “They were in my house for about two hours, and finally one of them closed the shelter door and they all left.”
Channel 12 of the Zionist regime TV also published pictures of the walls of the houses after the resistance forces entered them, on which it was written: “Qassam does not kill children”.
https://cdn.donya-e-eqtesad.com/servev2/OxCYosCxKyQl/aztreVakjSU,/14020718000280.mp4

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 13 2023 18:17 utc | 149

Not sure if this TV report is mentioned anywhere in comments, so I just deliver the English transcript and the link to the video:
Zionist regime channel 12 TV report
Channel 12 of the Zionist regime published a report about the behavior of the Palestinian resistance fighters towards the settlers.
According to the report of “Quds” website, Rotim, a settler from Kibbutz “Kfar Gaza” in the southwest of the occupied territories, in an interview with Channel 12 of the Zionist regime, narrated the moment when the resistance forces entered her house as follows: “When the attack began, my children were asleep. . I entered the shelter to be with them. I closed the shelter door.
“I told them it’s dangerous out there and there are bad guys out there,” Rotim continues. Moments later, I heard the sudden entry of [forces] into my house; I heard that they are speaking Arabic in my house. I tried to push the shelter door hard so that they could not enter.”
And she adds: “But 6 [resistance] forces were in my house. They managed to open the shelter door. A bullet was fired at the door of the shelter. This bullet only wounded me and then hit the closet. The troops entered the shelter and I told them there are two children here! This was the first thing I told them.”
“I told them this in English and they looked at us for a moment and one of them said to us in English, ‘Don’t worry,'” added Rotim. We are Muslims and we will not harm you. On the one hand, I was surprised when I heard these words, and on the other hand, my stress decreased.”
“I sat next to my children and the [resistance] forces brought a chair from the dining room,” she continued. One of the armed forces was with us full-time in the shelter, and the others were constantly going back and forth in the house. One of them saw the bananas on the table and said to me: Can I take one? (Rotim’s smile) I said: Yes! You can take one.”
Rotim narrates: “My eldest son was a little stressed; But my daughter was not too impressed and was playing with her tablet. Those weapons did not scare my children very much. At first, they were talking to each other next to the shelter; They spoke Arabic. My son asked me: Does that mean they are thinking of apologizing to us? (Rotim’s smile) I told my son: “It doesn’t look like that.”
In the end, she said: “They were in my house for about two hours, and finally one of them closed the shelter door and they all left.”
Channel 12 of the Zionist regime TV also published pictures of the walls of the houses after the resistance forces entered them, on which it was written: “Qassam does not kill children”.
https://cdn.donya-e-eqtesad.com/servev2/OxCYosCxKyQl/aztreVakjSU,/14020718000280.mp4

Posted by: Framarz | Oct 13 2023 18:17 utc | 150

@Down South | Oct 13 2023 16:32 utc | 25

Frames filmed by Hamas militants of the first minutes of the attack on participants in a music festival that took place on the border with Gaza on the night of October 7 have appeared.
The bodies of 260 people shot by the militants would later be found at the site of the attack.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/67981

The video is filmed around 9 am. The rocket and paraglider attack happened before 7 am. The partygoers would have had 2 hours to evacuate before the video was filmed.
P.S. – The gunmen on the video do not look like Hamas fighters. More like a bunch of armed civilians from Gaza.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 13 2023 18:28 utc | 151

@Down South | Oct 13 2023 16:32 utc | 25

Frames filmed by Hamas militants of the first minutes of the attack on participants in a music festival that took place on the border with Gaza on the night of October 7 have appeared.
The bodies of 260 people shot by the militants would later be found at the site of the attack.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/67981

The video is filmed around 9 am. The rocket and paraglider attack happened before 7 am. The partygoers would have had 2 hours to evacuate before the video was filmed.
P.S. – The gunmen on the video do not look like Hamas fighters. More like a bunch of armed civilians from Gaza.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 13 2023 18:28 utc | 152

” Israel must be thinking about a Final Solution without openly admitting it. Disease, starvation, bombing, snipers and so on. Gradually, so no one notices.”
Exactly. It’s high time we introduced that phrase into the discussion.
Recall that the whole phrase is “die Endloesung der Judenfrage”—the final solution to the Jewish Question. As of 1942, the 9-year attempt to get the Jews to leave Germany had “worked” fairly well, but with the attack on and annexation of large portions of Poland, there were just too many more Jews to deal with. This was all clearly set forth in the Wannsee Protokol. Hence, the Final Solution der Judenfrage.
The decades-long onslaught on the Palestinians has not “worked” for the Zionists to get rid of or control the Palestinians. Meanwhile, Israel’s international profile is slipping. The Ukraine conflict complicates things. Now a faction has grown impatient and intends to “seize the day” while their power in still on the ascendant in Zion. Time to accelerate events and usher in the Final Solution. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if these fanatics had somehow encouraged this Hamas break-out to create a “Make My Day” scenario and get the Final Solution 2.0 started.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 13 2023 18:29 utc | 153

” Israel must be thinking about a Final Solution without openly admitting it. Disease, starvation, bombing, snipers and so on. Gradually, so no one notices.”
Exactly. It’s high time we introduced that phrase into the discussion.
Recall that the whole phrase is “die Endloesung der Judenfrage”—the final solution to the Jewish Question. As of 1942, the 9-year attempt to get the Jews to leave Germany had “worked” fairly well, but with the attack on and annexation of large portions of Poland, there were just too many more Jews to deal with. This was all clearly set forth in the Wannsee Protokol. Hence, the Final Solution der Judenfrage.
The decades-long onslaught on the Palestinians has not “worked” for the Zionists to get rid of or control the Palestinians. Meanwhile, Israel’s international profile is slipping. The Ukraine conflict complicates things. Now a faction has grown impatient and intends to “seize the day” while their power in still on the ascendant in Zion. Time to accelerate events and usher in the Final Solution. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if these fanatics had somehow encouraged this Hamas break-out to create a “Make My Day” scenario and get the Final Solution 2.0 started.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 13 2023 18:29 utc | 154

With that demented smile, it is hard for me to see Netanyahu as a fall guy in the coming days. The guy has survived for a long time and there is a reason for that. There is a greater game afoot and the psychological theater put forth by media and pundits is part and parcel of its power.
Thank you, b, as always. Hezbollah does seem to be an incorruptible (read: unwilling to be steered by greater forces, even in the case of its allies, Iran and Russia) which, imo, will likely lead to the bigger guys having to swoop in when Hezbollah does indeed bite and gets the Ashkenazis on the ropes.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 13 2023 18:30 utc | 155

With that demented smile, it is hard for me to see Netanyahu as a fall guy in the coming days. The guy has survived for a long time and there is a reason for that. There is a greater game afoot and the psychological theater put forth by media and pundits is part and parcel of its power.
Thank you, b, as always. Hezbollah does seem to be an incorruptible (read: unwilling to be steered by greater forces, even in the case of its allies, Iran and Russia) which, imo, will likely lead to the bigger guys having to swoop in when Hezbollah does indeed bite and gets the Ashkenazis on the ropes.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 13 2023 18:30 utc | 156

Reuters has a posting up with the title
Israeli military says troops make first ground raids into Gaza
As I recall that is a red line for some folks….sad state of humanity

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 13 2023 18:31 utc | 157

Reuters has a posting up with the title
Israeli military says troops make first ground raids into Gaza
As I recall that is a red line for some folks….sad state of humanity

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 13 2023 18:31 utc | 158

DunGroanin @ 55
Enjoy ya pint.
I recomende the ‘Resteraunt at the end of the universe’

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 13 2023 18:31 utc | 159

DunGroanin @ 55
Enjoy ya pint.
I recomende the ‘Resteraunt at the end of the universe’

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 13 2023 18:31 utc | 160

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 13 2023 16:03 utc | 2
I hope you were simply parroting the assumption and that you are not stupid or gullible enough to believe 10 let alone 260 ravers were killed by Hamas.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 13 2023 18:31 utc | 161

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 13 2023 16:03 utc | 2
I hope you were simply parroting the assumption and that you are not stupid or gullible enough to believe 10 let alone 260 ravers were killed by Hamas.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 13 2023 18:31 utc | 162

The first and second temples were located 600 feet away from the so-called Temple Mount and were over the Spring of Gihon or Jihon. The Temple was situated over the spring. Why? WATER. AND PLENTY OF IT. The temple was an industrial kosher slaughterhouse. It was illegal to slaughter animals anywhere else. The present day Temple Mount was the Roman military base of the Antonia, built by Herod the Great in memory of his patron Marc Antony. The Dome of the Rock is built over an artificial cave which was a Temple to Mithras, the popular god of the Roman military. There never was a big Solomonic temple there. Solomon never had an empire or a large capital – but that’s another story. SO, extreme religious Zionists, reality check. Read your historical sources. The only spring within five miles of Jebus, at first a Canaanite city, was GIHON. The first name of Jerusalem was MIGDOL EDAR, the Tower or Citadel of the Flock. Linked with Jacob – Genesis 35:212 and Micah 4:8. It became later equivalent to the original Mount Zion. THERE WAS NO SPRING OF ANY KIND IN THE REGION WHERE THE so-called temple and later AL AQSA was situated. To sum up, the vast expanse now occupied by Al Aqsa has no relevance at all in locating the temples of Solomon, Zerubbabel and Herod. So where was Solomon’s temple? At the top of the Hill of OPHEL, a little bit higher above … you guessed right, the Gihon Spring. David had originally placed the Ark of the Covenant over the Gihon. The early temples were NOT located near the northern area of the Dome of the Rock, then outside the walls of Jerusalem. Settlers”: Go back and look at the biblical and historical eye-witnesses accounts …

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Oct 13 2023 18:35 utc | 163

The first and second temples were located 600 feet away from the so-called Temple Mount and were over the Spring of Gihon or Jihon. The Temple was situated over the spring. Why? WATER. AND PLENTY OF IT. The temple was an industrial kosher slaughterhouse. It was illegal to slaughter animals anywhere else. The present day Temple Mount was the Roman military base of the Antonia, built by Herod the Great in memory of his patron Marc Antony. The Dome of the Rock is built over an artificial cave which was a Temple to Mithras, the popular god of the Roman military. There never was a big Solomonic temple there. Solomon never had an empire or a large capital – but that’s another story. SO, extreme religious Zionists, reality check. Read your historical sources. The only spring within five miles of Jebus, at first a Canaanite city, was GIHON. The first name of Jerusalem was MIGDOL EDAR, the Tower or Citadel of the Flock. Linked with Jacob – Genesis 35:212 and Micah 4:8. It became later equivalent to the original Mount Zion. THERE WAS NO SPRING OF ANY KIND IN THE REGION WHERE THE so-called temple and later AL AQSA was situated. To sum up, the vast expanse now occupied by Al Aqsa has no relevance at all in locating the temples of Solomon, Zerubbabel and Herod. So where was Solomon’s temple? At the top of the Hill of OPHEL, a little bit higher above … you guessed right, the Gihon Spring. David had originally placed the Ark of the Covenant over the Gihon. The early temples were NOT located near the northern area of the Dome of the Rock, then outside the walls of Jerusalem. Settlers”: Go back and look at the biblical and historical eye-witnesses accounts …

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Oct 13 2023 18:35 utc | 164

Re: Siege of Leningrad ?
Barflies – Which current President of a great power had a older brother ( baby at the time ) who starved to death during the siege of Leningrad ?
Now do you Understand why he specifically referenced the Siege in his interview today 😳

Posted by: Exile | Oct 13 2023 18:35 utc | 165

Re: Siege of Leningrad ?
Barflies – Which current President of a great power had a older brother ( baby at the time ) who starved to death during the siege of Leningrad ?
Now do you Understand why he specifically referenced the Siege in his interview today 😳

Posted by: Exile | Oct 13 2023 18:35 utc | 166

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 13 2023 18:31 utc | 81
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* 6 million ravers. 😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2023 18:38 utc | 167

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 13 2023 18:31 utc | 81
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* 6 million ravers. 😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 13 2023 18:38 utc | 168

Rhodes, psychopaths, eloi and morlocks…I am reminded…
Til we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land!

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 13 2023 18:42 utc | 169

Rhodes, psychopaths, eloi and morlocks…I am reminded…
Til we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land!

Posted by: Dr Wellington Yueh | Oct 13 2023 18:42 utc | 170

Posted by: Just Observing | Oct 13 2023 16:52 utc | 38
Lol thanks for the Lester Holt NBC news clip Now where are 2 bodies, let alone 260?
We’ll wait.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 13 2023 18:42 utc | 171

Posted by: Just Observing | Oct 13 2023 16:52 utc | 38
Lol thanks for the Lester Holt NBC news clip Now where are 2 bodies, let alone 260?
We’ll wait.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 13 2023 18:42 utc | 172

To Whom it May Concern,
I don’t know who writes this crap, but to say that Middle Eastern Jews are as radical as ISIS is utterly indefensible, insane really. Why don’t you just come out and admit it: you’re a Jew hater.
Shame, shame on you!

Posted by: Craig Luther | Oct 13 2023 18:44 utc | 173

To Whom it May Concern,
I don’t know who writes this crap, but to say that Middle Eastern Jews are as radical as ISIS is utterly indefensible, insane really. Why don’t you just come out and admit it: you’re a Jew hater.
Shame, shame on you!

Posted by: Craig Luther | Oct 13 2023 18:44 utc | 174

As far as I know, the indigenous Jews i.e. those who are native to Palestine are a tiny minority in Israel. Many of them actually oppose the existence of the state of Israel and if there are any radical religious nuts between them, they are the exception, not the rule. The most blood thirsty seem to be the settlers, immigrants who came to Israel from around the world. The Jews who lived in Palestine for centuries are not the settlers because they have settled already centuries ago and lived peacefully amongst Muslims and Christians of Palestine during the 400 years of Ottoman rule.

Posted by: ABC | Oct 13 2023 18:45 utc | 175

As far as I know, the indigenous Jews i.e. those who are native to Palestine are a tiny minority in Israel. Many of them actually oppose the existence of the state of Israel and if there are any radical religious nuts between them, they are the exception, not the rule. The most blood thirsty seem to be the settlers, immigrants who came to Israel from around the world. The Jews who lived in Palestine for centuries are not the settlers because they have settled already centuries ago and lived peacefully amongst Muslims and Christians of Palestine during the 400 years of Ottoman rule.

Posted by: ABC | Oct 13 2023 18:45 utc | 176

I heard his interview, good explaining the plans for Israel by Israeli extremists… including Netanyahu showing map of ‘New Middle East’– without Palestine — to UN General Assembly!
To reference a GOOD article: Operation Al Aqsa Storm: How, why, and where to now in Gaza? By Antony Loewenstein, October 11, 2023
BUT, to blame a specific ethnic group is DISGUSTING… THE ‘Mizrahi’ Jews… is an erroneous grouping !!! perhaps it could be called all-the-jews-that-are-NOT-Ashkenazi…
When you look at all the Ashkenazi’s that are hip-hip annihilate all Palestinians! Including the US-americans, virtually ALL the Europeans who are calling for ethnic cleansing, especially because they don’t want Jews living their own countries!
A racist bunch of crap!

Posted by: Kim Sky | Oct 13 2023 18:49 utc | 177

I heard his interview, good explaining the plans for Israel by Israeli extremists… including Netanyahu showing map of ‘New Middle East’– without Palestine — to UN General Assembly!
To reference a GOOD article: Operation Al Aqsa Storm: How, why, and where to now in Gaza? By Antony Loewenstein, October 11, 2023
BUT, to blame a specific ethnic group is DISGUSTING… THE ‘Mizrahi’ Jews… is an erroneous grouping !!! perhaps it could be called all-the-jews-that-are-NOT-Ashkenazi…
When you look at all the Ashkenazi’s that are hip-hip annihilate all Palestinians! Including the US-americans, virtually ALL the Europeans who are calling for ethnic cleansing, especially because they don’t want Jews living their own countries!
A racist bunch of crap!

Posted by: Kim Sky | Oct 13 2023 18:49 utc | 178

b : « There is by the way no archaeologic evidence, none, that a Jewish ‘Temple’ ever existed in Jerusalem. If it did, it was most likely not on the hill of Al-Aqsa but one of the six other ones. »

There is plenty of archaeological evidence for the remains of the Jewish Temple situated on the summit the Temple Mount in Jerusalem that was destroyed by the Romans in 70.
Posted by: Monos | Oct 13 2023 16:19 utc | 17

There is none. There is every indication that the Wailing Wall is in fact a remnant of the Roman fort.
On this point I recommend the documentary The Coming Temple:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oKTO8YYs29c
You can skip the introduction, which is far too long, and start at 9’30”.
It should be added that verse 1 of Sura 17, “The Night Journey”, makes no explicit mention of Jerusalem as the destination of Muhammad’s journey (which would give the Temple Mount its sacred character), this destination being defined simply as “the most distant (al aqsa) mosque (al masjid)”. It is tradition that places this mosque in Jerusalem, and it can be disputed. But that’s another story.

Posted by: Leuk | Oct 13 2023 18:50 utc | 179

b : « There is by the way no archaeologic evidence, none, that a Jewish ‘Temple’ ever existed in Jerusalem. If it did, it was most likely not on the hill of Al-Aqsa but one of the six other ones. »

There is plenty of archaeological evidence for the remains of the Jewish Temple situated on the summit the Temple Mount in Jerusalem that was destroyed by the Romans in 70.
Posted by: Monos | Oct 13 2023 16:19 utc | 17

There is none. There is every indication that the Wailing Wall is in fact a remnant of the Roman fort.
On this point I recommend the documentary The Coming Temple:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oKTO8YYs29c
You can skip the introduction, which is far too long, and start at 9’30”.
It should be added that verse 1 of Sura 17, “The Night Journey”, makes no explicit mention of Jerusalem as the destination of Muhammad’s journey (which would give the Temple Mount its sacred character), this destination being defined simply as “the most distant (al aqsa) mosque (al masjid)”. It is tradition that places this mosque in Jerusalem, and it can be disputed. But that’s another story.

Posted by: Leuk | Oct 13 2023 18:50 utc | 180

Saudi Arabia is becoming increasingly vocal. Foreign Ministry has released a statement demanding the end to the siege on Gaza. More words, but an interesting development nonetheless.

Posted by: warxism | Oct 13 2023 18:51 utc | 181

Saudi Arabia is becoming increasingly vocal. Foreign Ministry has released a statement demanding the end to the siege on Gaza. More words, but an interesting development nonetheless.

Posted by: warxism | Oct 13 2023 18:51 utc | 182

https://t.me/llordofwar/215761

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi: the cause of the conflict is injustice to the Palestinians.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2023 18:57 utc | 183

https://t.me/llordofwar/215761

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi: the cause of the conflict is injustice to the Palestinians.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 13 2023 18:57 utc | 184

They want 1,000,000 inocent
Palistinians to evacuate north Gaza in 24 hours ending at 12pm tonight. They may invade or carpet bomb. Is that right.
I suggest new york city should evacuate. Just to be on the safe side. And washington.
This shit is about to hit the fan. And Americans seem to think its some kind of holywood entertainment.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 13 2023 18:57 utc | 185

They want 1,000,000 inocent
Palistinians to evacuate north Gaza in 24 hours ending at 12pm tonight. They may invade or carpet bomb. Is that right.
I suggest new york city should evacuate. Just to be on the safe side. And washington.
This shit is about to hit the fan. And Americans seem to think its some kind of holywood entertainment.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 13 2023 18:57 utc | 186

ZH has a posting up with the title
Iran FM Meets Nasrallah, Threatens To Open Hezbollah War With Israel If ‘Brutality’ Against Gaza Doesn’t Cease
the quote

On Friday Lebanese Hezbollah released a rare photograph of a meeting between Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah and Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian. The two discussed the Gaza crisis and ongoing hostilities with Israel, also after days of internecine shelling and exchanges of fire along the Israel-Lebanon border.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 13 2023 18:58 utc | 187

ZH has a posting up with the title
Iran FM Meets Nasrallah, Threatens To Open Hezbollah War With Israel If ‘Brutality’ Against Gaza Doesn’t Cease
the quote

On Friday Lebanese Hezbollah released a rare photograph of a meeting between Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah and Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian. The two discussed the Gaza crisis and ongoing hostilities with Israel, also after days of internecine shelling and exchanges of fire along the Israel-Lebanon border.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 13 2023 18:58 utc | 188

Blinken says at least 25 Americans killed in Hamas attack. Probably Americans looking at real estate in the West Bank.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 13 2023 18:59 utc | 189

Blinken says at least 25 Americans killed in Hamas attack. Probably Americans looking at real estate in the West Bank.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 13 2023 18:59 utc | 190

Can someone recommend me a rational book or article on how religious Israelis came to want a third temple? Usually it’s been Christian Dispensationalists who wanted a temple, so the anti-christ could defile it and provoke the second coming of Jesus.
I was always told that the rabbinic movement replaced sacrifices with prayers millenia ago. I find it hard to believe that the present-day rabbinic establishment would want to give up power to a bunch of sacred butchers. Can someone explain the steps to me? In a rational, unemotional way?
Thanks.

Posted by: lester | Oct 13 2023 19:01 utc | 191

Can someone recommend me a rational book or article on how religious Israelis came to want a third temple? Usually it’s been Christian Dispensationalists who wanted a temple, so the anti-christ could defile it and provoke the second coming of Jesus.
I was always told that the rabbinic movement replaced sacrifices with prayers millenia ago. I find it hard to believe that the present-day rabbinic establishment would want to give up power to a bunch of sacred butchers. Can someone explain the steps to me? In a rational, unemotional way?
Thanks.

Posted by: lester | Oct 13 2023 19:01 utc | 192

Posted by: warxism | Oct 13 2023 18:51 utc | 91
Saudi Arabian does not need to lift a finger, just announce that if the siege doesn’t stop, all oil exports to the West will be halted, and watch the Dow go limit down.
Do it, MBS!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 13 2023 19:02 utc | 193

Posted by: warxism | Oct 13 2023 18:51 utc | 91
Saudi Arabian does not need to lift a finger, just announce that if the siege doesn’t stop, all oil exports to the West will be halted, and watch the Dow go limit down.
Do it, MBS!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 13 2023 19:02 utc | 194

I just want to point out that “Middle Eastern Jews” aren’t what they USED TO BE. Most of the SEMITIC Jews were driven out quite early in the invasion of Palestine. The invaders distrusted and harassed them because they had lived peacefully with the Arabs there for centuries… (did I mention the settlers were also RACIST and Semitic Jews have dark skin?), and the Arabs stopped trusting them because they were Jews, and Palestine was being invaded by Jews.
I knew quite a few Semitic Jews that fled the region while growing up in Brooklyn in the early 1960s. What’s left are most likely collaborators with the invaders and their descendants. Over the years I’ve seen a number of histories on the internet written by those Semitic Jews whose families fled.

Posted by: Heretical_i | Oct 13 2023 19:03 utc | 195

I just want to point out that “Middle Eastern Jews” aren’t what they USED TO BE. Most of the SEMITIC Jews were driven out quite early in the invasion of Palestine. The invaders distrusted and harassed them because they had lived peacefully with the Arabs there for centuries… (did I mention the settlers were also RACIST and Semitic Jews have dark skin?), and the Arabs stopped trusting them because they were Jews, and Palestine was being invaded by Jews.
I knew quite a few Semitic Jews that fled the region while growing up in Brooklyn in the early 1960s. What’s left are most likely collaborators with the invaders and their descendants. Over the years I’ve seen a number of histories on the internet written by those Semitic Jews whose families fled.

Posted by: Heretical_i | Oct 13 2023 19:03 utc | 196

Saudi Arabian does not need to lift a finger, just announce that if the siege doesn’t stop, all oil exports to the West will be halted, and watch the Dow go limit down.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 13 2023 19:02 utc | 97

Funny enough, there was a video circulating today of the Emir of Qatar apparently threatening to cut off gas supplies to the West if the attack on Gaza does not cease. I guess it turned out to be false and out-of-context, but I don’t speak the language, so I can’t translate the video.

Posted by: warxism | Oct 13 2023 19:06 utc | 197

Saudi Arabian does not need to lift a finger, just announce that if the siege doesn’t stop, all oil exports to the West will be halted, and watch the Dow go limit down.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 13 2023 19:02 utc | 97

Funny enough, there was a video circulating today of the Emir of Qatar apparently threatening to cut off gas supplies to the West if the attack on Gaza does not cease. I guess it turned out to be false and out-of-context, but I don’t speak the language, so I can’t translate the video.

Posted by: warxism | Oct 13 2023 19:06 utc | 198

I am concerned…that if Palestinians do not evacuate north Gaza…IDF will assume any that remain they will assume to be Hamas to be liquidated.
Not a remote chance that there is a trap to get IDF in and kettled?????

Posted by: Jo | Oct 13 2023 19:08 utc | 199

I am concerned…that if Palestinians do not evacuate north Gaza…IDF will assume any that remain they will assume to be Hamas to be liquidated.
Not a remote chance that there is a trap to get IDF in and kettled?????

Posted by: Jo | Oct 13 2023 19:08 utc | 200