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October 23, 2023
The Penny Drops – The World Is Multi-Polar

In 2007, during his famous speech in Munich, the Russian President Vladimir Putin pointed to the inevitable rise of a multipolar world.

He started out by defining the opposite state:

However, what is a unipolar world? However one might embellish this term, at the end of the day it refers to one type of situation, namely one centre of authority, one centre of force, one centre of decision-making.

It is world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.

The unilateral tendencies of the U.S. and the West in general were described as dead ends:

[W]hat is happening in today’s world – and we just started to discuss this – is a tentative to introduce precisely this concept into international affairs, the concept of a unipolar world.

And with which results?

Unilateral and frequently illegitimate actions have not resolved any problems. Moreover, they have caused new human tragedies and created new centres of tension.

We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?

He pointed to the inevitable changes in the world that were arising to counter this trend:

The combined GDP measured in purchasing power parity of countries such as India and China is already greater than that of the United States. And a similar calculation with the GDP of the BRIC countries – Brazil, Russia, India and China – surpasses the cumulative GDP of the EU. And according to experts this gap will only increase in the future.

There is no reason to doubt that the economic potential of the new centres of global economic growth will inevitably be converted into political influence and will strengthen multipolarity.

There it is, multipolarity, the 'bad word' that the U.S. did not dare to take serious. Putin was laughed at, and then condemned, for making those very clear predictions.

But today multipolarity has risen.

Today we live in multilateral world. We see Russia, China and many smaller countries united in their will to preserve their rights and security. The cold-war is gone. The somewhat unilateral decades which had followed it are now over. We are in need a new world order.

In the U.S. that penny has finally started to drop.

It has not yet reached the ground. We do not know on which side it will land.

Two days ago U.S. President Joe Biden spoke at a campaign even. Among lots of the usual blah-blah this paragraph stood out:

We were in a post-war period for 50 years where it worked pretty damn well, but that’s sort of run out of steam. Sort of run out of steam. It needs a new — a new world order in a sense, like that was a world order.

There it is -  one can see the penny, slipping out of his hand and falling down.

The time for the U.S. to preserve some of its influence in the rising new world order is short:

Look, we’re at an inflection point in history — literally an inflection point in history, and that is that decisions we make in the next four or five years are going to determine what the next four or five decades look like. And that’s — that’s a fact.

The Ukrainian news site Strana, which was first to point to Biden's acknowledgement of global change, describes the implications of that thought (machine translation):

It should be noted that the "damn good" post-war 50-year peace that Biden spoke about arose as a result of the most brutal war in the history of mankind. It also appeared due to the agreements of the USSR and the United States, which essentially divided the spheres of influence in Europe.

If we proceed from this historical context, then Biden, it turns out, offers either to win a military victory over the Russian Federation and China, with which the United States is currently at enmity, or to negotiate with them and arrange a "new Yalta" with the division of spheres of influence.

On which side will the penny land? The side of a new global war? Or on the side of new negotiations?

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We do not know.

Putin had predicted that the pursuit of unilateral power would automatically lead to the end its pursuer. As Biden acknowledges, the U.S., in its delusion, is ripping itself apart.

Prior to the campaign event Biden had given a public speech from the White House.

Adam Tooze reflects on it:

Biden:

American leadership is what holds the world together.

The President wasn’t just improvising. He has not done a lot of speeches from the Oval Office. A speech-writing team crafted that extraordinary line.

It reflects deeply held views on the part of Washington. Back in February 2021, the newly appointed Secretary of State Antony Blinken gave several speeches and interviews in which he repeated the line:

The world doesn’t organize itself. When we’re not engaged, when we don’t lead, then one of two things happens: either some other country tries to take our place, but probably not in a way that advances our interests and values, or no one does, and then you get chaos.

This idea, that there is a “place” in the world, which is that of “America as the organizer”, and that without America occupying that place and doing its job, the world will fall apart, or some other power will take America’s place as the organizer, is deep-seated in US policy circle.

As a metaphysical proposition it is silly and self-deluding. It is bizarre to imagine that the world needs America to “hold it together”. America itself is hardly in one piece.

He describes the negative global consequences of delusional U.S. thinking to then muse about the outcome:

What is the impact of a dysfunctional US political system, where the more reasonable wing of the ruling elite cling to ideas about America’s role that are systematically self-deluding. You could say that hypocrisy is normal. It is the besetting sin of liberalism. But in light of the scale of looming global problems and the shift in the balance of power that has already taken place, let alone that which may still to come, how long can this tension be maintained and what will be the price?

He seems to ask if the now falling penny will ever hit the ground:

The only thing that seems for sure is that we should avoid falling into the trap of what I’ve called fin-fiction or fin-fi, which assumes that because these tension seem unbearable they must therefore resolve in some logical way, for instance in the speculation over the end of dollar hegemony, or what appears be the Biden fantasy of a return to the normality of American leadership.

I am skeptical even of invoking terms like “interregnum”, signifying a temporary hiatus between orders of power.

What gives us confidence that our current situation is temporary and that some new order, like the old, will emerge?

Is that not another version of the kind of thinking that says the world “needs organizing” by a power sitting at the head of the table – in “America’s place”?

That question, to me, seems to miss what multilateralism really means. It does not mean unilateralism with a different country in the lead. It means a somewhat democratic UN system, with an expanded Security Council that includes the large population countries of each continent.

It means to follow international law.

Will the U.S. come back into that system? Or does it need a global war to decide the outcome?

Comments

@ Sam | Oct 23 2023 19:56 utc | 149
well, at least you are consistent at moa for your hatred and loathing of russia and putin.. got it..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 20:14 utc | 301

@ Sam | Oct 23 2023 19:56 utc | 149
well, at least you are consistent at moa for your hatred and loathing of russia and putin.. got it..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 20:14 utc | 302

It think (and I suspect Putin and Xi would agree) that an assigned “spheres of influence” model is not practical with the more advanced communication and transport infrastructure of today, and is not wanted by many second-order countries.
Unless I misremember Putin and Xi have articulated a new order based on principles of undivided security and sovereign entities acting in rational self-interest within international law.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 23 2023 20:15 utc | 303

It think (and I suspect Putin and Xi would agree) that an assigned “spheres of influence” model is not practical with the more advanced communication and transport infrastructure of today, and is not wanted by many second-order countries.
Unless I misremember Putin and Xi have articulated a new order based on principles of undivided security and sovereign entities acting in rational self-interest within international law.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 23 2023 20:15 utc | 304

Look at important reaction of Putin to gaza hospital bombing.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 23 2023 19:56 utc | 149
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There are people who listen, and there are people who watch. It’s difficult to do both.
There is nothing that Putin could have said (words are just words) that would have had as profound of an effect as launching the Kinzhal patrols.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 20:25 utc | 305

Look at important reaction of Putin to gaza hospital bombing.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 23 2023 19:56 utc | 149
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There are people who listen, and there are people who watch. It’s difficult to do both.
There is nothing that Putin could have said (words are just words) that would have had as profound of an effect as launching the Kinzhal patrols.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 20:25 utc | 306

Pretty good essay by Craig Murray: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/10/genocide-unfolding/
It brings to mind Mao’s aperçu, vis a vis Western security states & intelligence agencies at the present time: “Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 23 2023 20:27 utc | 307

Pretty good essay by Craig Murray: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/10/genocide-unfolding/
It brings to mind Mao’s aperçu, vis a vis Western security states & intelligence agencies at the present time: “Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent.”

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 23 2023 20:27 utc | 308

The US is weakening domestically, including 600K homeless expected to triple, suicide (including 22 veterans per day), substance abuse, crime and obesity (nearly 70% of US troops are overweight or obese).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 23 2023 20:29 utc | 309

The US is weakening domestically, including 600K homeless expected to triple, suicide (including 22 veterans per day), substance abuse, crime and obesity (nearly 70% of US troops are overweight or obese).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 23 2023 20:29 utc | 310

The delusion grows the higher we go in the ruling class. That’s why an outlier like FDR was needed to rescue the ruling class and their deep state 90 years ago. The ‘problem’ is that there is no Great Depression now to motivate the ruling class.
And so all the major party Presidential candidates are die-hard unipolarists. I think the best the world can hope for short term is a Trump or Obama-like figure, a cautious, non-extremist Neocon who’s willing to negotiate with the multipolar world leaders.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 23 2023 20:29 utc | 311

The delusion grows the higher we go in the ruling class. That’s why an outlier like FDR was needed to rescue the ruling class and their deep state 90 years ago. The ‘problem’ is that there is no Great Depression now to motivate the ruling class.
And so all the major party Presidential candidates are die-hard unipolarists. I think the best the world can hope for short term is a Trump or Obama-like figure, a cautious, non-extremist Neocon who’s willing to negotiate with the multipolar world leaders.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 23 2023 20:29 utc | 312

Figleaf23 | Oct 23 2023 20:15 utc | 152
I have come to believe the term “spheres of influence” is very much an American western thing.
Once you dump that mindset and look at the world again, it becomes apparent that all countries have spheres of interest. Trade, relations with neighbors ect.
Australia for example – our sphere of interest is the Asia pacific to the north of us. Both neighbors and major trading partners. Most have high population densities so like China they will center more on manufacturing. Australia on the other hand has low population density, to low for manufacturing, but we have minerals and farm products that can be exported to these countries. That is combined with the short shorter transport distance compared to similar countries that export minerals and farm produce give us an advantage in that area.
China as the manufacturing superpower is the largest trade partner for a large number of countries around the world, so its sphere of interest is the entire world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:30 utc | 313

Figleaf23 | Oct 23 2023 20:15 utc | 152
I have come to believe the term “spheres of influence” is very much an American western thing.
Once you dump that mindset and look at the world again, it becomes apparent that all countries have spheres of interest. Trade, relations with neighbors ect.
Australia for example – our sphere of interest is the Asia pacific to the north of us. Both neighbors and major trading partners. Most have high population densities so like China they will center more on manufacturing. Australia on the other hand has low population density, to low for manufacturing, but we have minerals and farm products that can be exported to these countries. That is combined with the short shorter transport distance compared to similar countries that export minerals and farm produce give us an advantage in that area.
China as the manufacturing superpower is the largest trade partner for a large number of countries around the world, so its sphere of interest is the entire world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:30 utc | 314

The end of World War II saw the obliteration of most of the Europe’s industrial base. This put the US in an unique situation where due to it’s massive industrial capacity untouched by the carnage in Europe. It gave the US the ability to dictate to pretty much the rest of the world. i.e. the US basically said that if you want to be able to produce again you require massive amounts of US money. And it was true. Europe was in shambles. And the US reigned supreme. That is point 1. Point 2 is about the establishment of NATO – already the US had their erstwhile ally, the USSR, in it’s gunsights. NATO’s doctrine – entirelty constructed by the US – was to “keep the Russians out, the Germans down, and america in.[Europe]”. That still applies today. Germany suffered an act of war committed by it’s NATO boss, the good ol’ US of A. Of course I speak of the Nord Stream sabotage. When I consider both points, I can come to no other conclusion that america is trying it’s damnest to repeat history. They indeed still want the Russians – anything Russian – out, and in that they seem to have mostly succeeded. Germany is today facing a real prospect of de-industrialization, amazingly, seemingly willingly. For the americans, the time is ripe for a big war in the hope they can recreate the situation immediately following the 2nd World War, where everybody is devastated, and the world must once again turn to it to rebuild. Not possibly you say? Look at the shit-stirring the americans are involved in right now. Itching for a war with China – before it’s nuke arsenal gets to within parity range. And Russia? The US still believes that the Ukraine can subdue Russia! Just how delusional can the US admin get? Look at Biden and you will see just how delusional the US is. Nonetheless, I think a BIG war is in our immediate future.

Posted by: rgl | Oct 23 2023 20:31 utc | 315

The end of World War II saw the obliteration of most of the Europe’s industrial base. This put the US in an unique situation where due to it’s massive industrial capacity untouched by the carnage in Europe. It gave the US the ability to dictate to pretty much the rest of the world. i.e. the US basically said that if you want to be able to produce again you require massive amounts of US money. And it was true. Europe was in shambles. And the US reigned supreme. That is point 1. Point 2 is about the establishment of NATO – already the US had their erstwhile ally, the USSR, in it’s gunsights. NATO’s doctrine – entirelty constructed by the US – was to “keep the Russians out, the Germans down, and america in.[Europe]”. That still applies today. Germany suffered an act of war committed by it’s NATO boss, the good ol’ US of A. Of course I speak of the Nord Stream sabotage. When I consider both points, I can come to no other conclusion that america is trying it’s damnest to repeat history. They indeed still want the Russians – anything Russian – out, and in that they seem to have mostly succeeded. Germany is today facing a real prospect of de-industrialization, amazingly, seemingly willingly. For the americans, the time is ripe for a big war in the hope they can recreate the situation immediately following the 2nd World War, where everybody is devastated, and the world must once again turn to it to rebuild. Not possibly you say? Look at the shit-stirring the americans are involved in right now. Itching for a war with China – before it’s nuke arsenal gets to within parity range. And Russia? The US still believes that the Ukraine can subdue Russia! Just how delusional can the US admin get? Look at Biden and you will see just how delusional the US is. Nonetheless, I think a BIG war is in our immediate future.

Posted by: rgl | Oct 23 2023 20:31 utc | 316

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 23 2023 19:51 utc | 145
We’ve always been nothing but a bunch of slaves and owning properties didn’t change that. The hidden hand is being exposed as we speak, the hidden hand is only a hand. A massive uprising and a long reign of chaos is ahead of us. To predict the outcome of this is a fruitless endeavour.
How it unfolds is anyone’s guess.
Switching off the lights is the best way to scare us, but people adapt very quickly and the momentum once it starts will never stop.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 23 2023 20:35 utc | 317

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 23 2023 19:51 utc | 145
We’ve always been nothing but a bunch of slaves and owning properties didn’t change that. The hidden hand is being exposed as we speak, the hidden hand is only a hand. A massive uprising and a long reign of chaos is ahead of us. To predict the outcome of this is a fruitless endeavour.
How it unfolds is anyone’s guess.
Switching off the lights is the best way to scare us, but people adapt very quickly and the momentum once it starts will never stop.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 23 2023 20:35 utc | 318

Americans are victims of their own myth-making. There never was a unipolar world after WWII. There was a bipolar world since the ’50s until the early ’90s, then a transitional phase, where we are now. The beginning of this transitional phase was marked by the pretentious (pretentious because the USA never had any chance) attempt by the USA to craft a unipolar world: that ridiculous attempt already failed. Now we are heading toward the unknown. It could be that this is not a transitional phase, but the new normal: a new normal of chaos, wars and international instability.
Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 122
I agree, but think that this IS the transitional phase, characterized by instability, chaos and wars.
If the Western monster does not blow up the world, the US&All will undergo the necessary changes from within and become peaceful and decent, using their full potential for a harmonious world.

Posted by: JB | Oct 23 2023 20:36 utc | 319

Americans are victims of their own myth-making. There never was a unipolar world after WWII. There was a bipolar world since the ’50s until the early ’90s, then a transitional phase, where we are now. The beginning of this transitional phase was marked by the pretentious (pretentious because the USA never had any chance) attempt by the USA to craft a unipolar world: that ridiculous attempt already failed. Now we are heading toward the unknown. It could be that this is not a transitional phase, but the new normal: a new normal of chaos, wars and international instability.
Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 122
I agree, but think that this IS the transitional phase, characterized by instability, chaos and wars.
If the Western monster does not blow up the world, the US&All will undergo the necessary changes from within and become peaceful and decent, using their full potential for a harmonious world.

Posted by: JB | Oct 23 2023 20:36 utc | 320

@Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 19:15 utc | 131

Manufacturing power, technology, primary produce which includes minerals and energy, debt. European pissants don’t even factor in.

The usual nonsense about real economy you hear around here. Manufacturing power and technology are driven by the availability of machine tools, and there are only two places in the world that counts for that: Eastern Asia and Western Europe. The leading countries for machine tools production are:
1. China
2. Japan
3. Germany
4. Italy
5. USA
7. South Korea
8. Taiwan
9. Switzerland
10. India
Even more interesting, the biggest exporters of machine tools, that is those countries that produce the most valuable machines, those machines you cannot produce internally in you country, are:
1. Germany
2. Japan
3. China
4. Italy
5. Taiwan
6. South Korea
7. Switzerland
8. USA
As I said again and again and again, it is not Europe that is going down at the end of this story.

Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 20:37 utc | 321

@Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 19:15 utc | 131

Manufacturing power, technology, primary produce which includes minerals and energy, debt. European pissants don’t even factor in.

The usual nonsense about real economy you hear around here. Manufacturing power and technology are driven by the availability of machine tools, and there are only two places in the world that counts for that: Eastern Asia and Western Europe. The leading countries for machine tools production are:
1. China
2. Japan
3. Germany
4. Italy
5. USA
7. South Korea
8. Taiwan
9. Switzerland
10. India
Even more interesting, the biggest exporters of machine tools, that is those countries that produce the most valuable machines, those machines you cannot produce internally in you country, are:
1. Germany
2. Japan
3. China
4. Italy
5. Taiwan
6. South Korea
7. Switzerland
8. USA
As I said again and again and again, it is not Europe that is going down at the end of this story.

Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 20:37 utc | 322

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 19:55 utc | 148
Good metaphor. Extending it, Russia/China are like parents who just wait out their kid’s long crying fit. It’s why the Ukraine conflict drags on. And there are 100 other kids in the room (including the Europeans), trying to decide whether to join the crying kid or the multipolar world.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 23 2023 20:48 utc | 323

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 19:55 utc | 148
Good metaphor. Extending it, Russia/China are like parents who just wait out their kid’s long crying fit. It’s why the Ukraine conflict drags on. And there are 100 other kids in the room (including the Europeans), trying to decide whether to join the crying kid or the multipolar world.

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 23 2023 20:48 utc | 324

The World Science Fiction Convention just met in Chengdu, capital of Sichuan Province, PR China. That’s as multipolar as can be!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202310/22/WS653546dea31090682a5ea012.html
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202310/1300342.shtml

Posted by: lester | Oct 23 2023 20:50 utc | 325

The World Science Fiction Convention just met in Chengdu, capital of Sichuan Province, PR China. That’s as multipolar as can be!
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202310/22/WS653546dea31090682a5ea012.html
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202310/1300342.shtml

Posted by: lester | Oct 23 2023 20:50 utc | 326

Have barmembers any thoughts on how China’s demographics and the collapse in its birth rate is going to impact events over the next decade?

Posted by: jpc | Oct 23 2023 20:52 utc | 327

Have barmembers any thoughts on how China’s demographics and the collapse in its birth rate is going to impact events over the next decade?

Posted by: jpc | Oct 23 2023 20:52 utc | 328

SG | Oct 23 2023 20:37 utc | 162
Russia is not an exporter of manufactured goods. The Soviet Union had excellent machine tool production. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Machine tool production in the Russian federation dropped off and a lot were imported from Germany. With sanctions Russia was capable of quickly ramping up its production of machine tools for domestic use. The only thing that was missed before the ‘sanctions from hell’ was instrument making. the Soviet Union had excellent instrument making capabilities and that has been quickly ramped up again.
Germany has a well earned reputation for high quality machine tool but exports of these are now toast due to the cost of energy. China’s entry into quality manufacturing was boom time for German machine tools. All Chinese factories emphasized that they used German machine tool and German measurement standards. Now China is quite capable of, and is manufacturing its own high quality machine tools.
But as for Russia, it is self sufficient rather than exporter.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:54 utc | 329

SG | Oct 23 2023 20:37 utc | 162
Russia is not an exporter of manufactured goods. The Soviet Union had excellent machine tool production. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Machine tool production in the Russian federation dropped off and a lot were imported from Germany. With sanctions Russia was capable of quickly ramping up its production of machine tools for domestic use. The only thing that was missed before the ‘sanctions from hell’ was instrument making. the Soviet Union had excellent instrument making capabilities and that has been quickly ramped up again.
Germany has a well earned reputation for high quality machine tool but exports of these are now toast due to the cost of energy. China’s entry into quality manufacturing was boom time for German machine tools. All Chinese factories emphasized that they used German machine tool and German measurement standards. Now China is quite capable of, and is manufacturing its own high quality machine tools.
But as for Russia, it is self sufficient rather than exporter.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:54 utc | 330

Posted by: jpc | Oct 23 2023 20:52 utc | 165
You obviously drank The Kool Aid.
China’s population is 1.44 billion and not 1 million so there’s no way for China to collapse in 10 years. You’d be better off worrying about the disappearance of the Yipponese people.
Btw, I live in a Chinese tier 4 City and I see plenty of young families with 2-3 kids.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 23 2023 21:15 utc | 331

Posted by: jpc | Oct 23 2023 20:52 utc | 165
You obviously drank The Kool Aid.
China’s population is 1.44 billion and not 1 million so there’s no way for China to collapse in 10 years. You’d be better off worrying about the disappearance of the Yipponese people.
Btw, I live in a Chinese tier 4 City and I see plenty of young families with 2-3 kids.

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 23 2023 21:15 utc | 332

And to include the explicit threat that if these demands are not met within 24 hours, Israel’s power stations and water treatment plants and refineries will be taken out by Hezbollah. They can also give them 24 hours to vacate the north of Israel and go to the south if that isn’t enough. Nuff Sed.
Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:09 utc | 36
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Well said Nuff Sed. If the Axis of Resistance enters the fray I hope the first targets are Israel’s water desalination plants. They could write on the missiles “If Gaza can’t drink water, neither will Israel.” And giving Israel that evacuation order is another good eye for an eye tactic, which is all Israel and its USA proxy understand. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Chas | Oct 23 2023 21:19 utc | 333

And to include the explicit threat that if these demands are not met within 24 hours, Israel’s power stations and water treatment plants and refineries will be taken out by Hezbollah. They can also give them 24 hours to vacate the north of Israel and go to the south if that isn’t enough. Nuff Sed.
Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:09 utc | 36
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Well said Nuff Sed. If the Axis of Resistance enters the fray I hope the first targets are Israel’s water desalination plants. They could write on the missiles “If Gaza can’t drink water, neither will Israel.” And giving Israel that evacuation order is another good eye for an eye tactic, which is all Israel and its USA proxy understand. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Chas | Oct 23 2023 21:19 utc | 334

Have barmembers any thoughts on how China’s demographics and the collapse in its birth rate is going to impact events over the next decade?
Posted by: jpc | Oct 23 2023 20:52 utc | 165
The demographics haven’t “collapsed.” China’s overcrowded. 1.4 billion is too much, so slight decline is good for quality of life.
China’s real GDP barring nuclear war catastrophe will continue to grow at a pace far greater than the very gradual population decline

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 23 2023 21:21 utc | 335

Have barmembers any thoughts on how China’s demographics and the collapse in its birth rate is going to impact events over the next decade?
Posted by: jpc | Oct 23 2023 20:52 utc | 165
The demographics haven’t “collapsed.” China’s overcrowded. 1.4 billion is too much, so slight decline is good for quality of life.
China’s real GDP barring nuclear war catastrophe will continue to grow at a pace far greater than the very gradual population decline

Posted by: fairleft | Oct 23 2023 21:21 utc | 336

by: SG | Oct 23 2023 20:37 utc | 162
As I said again and again and again, it is not Europe that is going down at the end of this story.
Yes. With very expensive contract bills for energy, lack of rare earth ore, laughable resources, energy in general, pending on expensive US energy imports. What if the fleet of Atlantic merchant ships pipe is closed and even today American LNG is not sufficient at the basic level? That is an energy flow of a brook, in comparison of an Amazon river of cheap Russian gas delivered via NS 1. NS 2 was to double that. Not very excellent outlook, there.
Add Taiwan to China, and in a year or two, and the outcome (and a know-how and intellectual property in Germany and Italy) is far out-played. Swiss will trade with everyone, anyway. They like cash or gold and not anything virtual.
Europe will go to its auto-da-fé in its EU Parliament and it’ll spread to the national ones. That ends painfully, for many and it is going to be very expensive.
So, added political instability to all of it, I’d say EU as a federalization of European continent, was not the best idea Europeans ever had, let alone to let itself to be enslaved in some murky US “partnership”.
Plus EU is a super tiny archipelago, and at the south-western end of Belt and Road, with superior shopping power diminished.
I wish I share your optimism.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 21:23 utc | 337

by: SG | Oct 23 2023 20:37 utc | 162
As I said again and again and again, it is not Europe that is going down at the end of this story.
Yes. With very expensive contract bills for energy, lack of rare earth ore, laughable resources, energy in general, pending on expensive US energy imports. What if the fleet of Atlantic merchant ships pipe is closed and even today American LNG is not sufficient at the basic level? That is an energy flow of a brook, in comparison of an Amazon river of cheap Russian gas delivered via NS 1. NS 2 was to double that. Not very excellent outlook, there.
Add Taiwan to China, and in a year or two, and the outcome (and a know-how and intellectual property in Germany and Italy) is far out-played. Swiss will trade with everyone, anyway. They like cash or gold and not anything virtual.
Europe will go to its auto-da-fé in its EU Parliament and it’ll spread to the national ones. That ends painfully, for many and it is going to be very expensive.
So, added political instability to all of it, I’d say EU as a federalization of European continent, was not the best idea Europeans ever had, let alone to let itself to be enslaved in some murky US “partnership”.
Plus EU is a super tiny archipelago, and at the south-western end of Belt and Road, with superior shopping power diminished.
I wish I share your optimism.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 21:23 utc | 338

@Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:54 utc | 166
Those are the numbers for the year 2022. The USA kept dropping and Germany managed to edge Japan even with inflation from hell. That’s because know-how is something you either have or have not, and on top of that the machine tool market has big inertia. As a matter of fact machine tool production in Italy is going to grow steadily in 2023 too: I’m waiting for the data for Germany, but I do not expect a significant drop in 2023, if any. And that is why I always said that the idea that the USA could sink Europe with energy-related inflation is exaggerated: the USA have to import technological goods from Europe, that is, they cannot avoid to import back that inflation. There is an earthquake right now in the global economy: the USA are trying to raise an iron curtain over China, that is they are heavily curtailing their imports from China, including machine tools, and as a consequence they are driving up the demand for machine tools from “allied” countries.

Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 21:25 utc | 339

@Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:54 utc | 166
Those are the numbers for the year 2022. The USA kept dropping and Germany managed to edge Japan even with inflation from hell. That’s because know-how is something you either have or have not, and on top of that the machine tool market has big inertia. As a matter of fact machine tool production in Italy is going to grow steadily in 2023 too: I’m waiting for the data for Germany, but I do not expect a significant drop in 2023, if any. And that is why I always said that the idea that the USA could sink Europe with energy-related inflation is exaggerated: the USA have to import technological goods from Europe, that is, they cannot avoid to import back that inflation. There is an earthquake right now in the global economy: the USA are trying to raise an iron curtain over China, that is they are heavily curtailing their imports from China, including machine tools, and as a consequence they are driving up the demand for machine tools from “allied” countries.

Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 21:25 utc | 340

Thanks b, very well written, as usual. All this end of the world rhetoric brings to mind a truly excellent novel on the subject, ” A Canticle for Lebowitz’ by Walter Miller, an author with a brilliant foresight into the end of civilization. I’d highly recommend to your readers.

Posted by: madmarc | Oct 23 2023 21:28 utc | 341

Thanks b, very well written, as usual. All this end of the world rhetoric brings to mind a truly excellent novel on the subject, ” A Canticle for Lebowitz’ by Walter Miller, an author with a brilliant foresight into the end of civilization. I’d highly recommend to your readers.

Posted by: madmarc | Oct 23 2023 21:28 utc | 342

There’re many good comments to b’s article–too many to cite. The point at issue has been under discussion for months, but until today wasn’t the central topic. I’ve made my predictions and cited my reasons for them. However, there’s a more fundamental aspect related to the division of the world into two competing Blocs. The larger, Global Majority Bloc, seeks Harmony via equality and the seeking of a shared future within a series of political-economic systems that promote People Centered Development. Thus, the entire Bloc share a fundamental interest in common–the promotion of their citizenry which then reap rewards of a wholly different quality as they are beyond material. The smaller Neoliberal Bloc ruled by the Outlaw US Empire has vassals, not equal partners, whose one common interest is the exploitation of their people, not their development, which thus produces chaos in the dog-eat-dog world of competition for the few available material benefits. The supposed set of rules/laws in the latter bloc exist but are never followed to the letter and are more often trampled on. Within some of the latter bloc nations, enough inertia currently exists to perpetuate the economic vitality that made those nations strong. But since development of the people is no longer the political-economy’s goal, the chaos that will ensue is already visible in the close to 100 million people outside the official labor force (within the Outlaw US Empire) and the many homeless and semi-homeless (living in motels) who can’t afford housing because of Neoliberal Greed (what was once a nation of home-owners is becoming a nation of renters). (I focus on the Outlaw US Empire because I live within it and am most familiar with its detriments.)
The key factor for the Global Majority to attain Harmony and avoid the trap that’s captured the Neoliberal bloc of nations is to treat as many natural monopolies as public utilities as possible–and most importantly finance and real estate/land/housing. Private enterprise can co-exist with such a system while being closely regulated so oligarchs don’t rise that can threaten the integrity of the political system. Media is another issue–how should it be qualified–state or privately owned, or a hybrid where both exist? Concentration of ownership in any market or product segment should be strictly regulated and perhaps be made into a public utility if Harmony is threatened.
One key problem within many developing nations is they already have an oligarchy affecting politics and threatening Harmony–Argentina and Brazil are two very clear examples, but they aren’t alone. Oligarchies have interests very similar to that of the Neoliberal Bloc and crave such power and control. Their natural inclination is influenced by their addiction to Pleonexia and Megalomania often because oligarchs are sociopaths and narcissists who don’t give a damn about the wellbeing of their fellow humans. Thus, they are Anti-Humans. Efforts must be made to keep such people employed in places where they don’t constitute a threat to Harmony. How to accomplish that is well beyond the scope of my comment, but clearly some degree of social-engineering must be employed just as it must to create People Centered Development.
Currently a gap is widening as the Multipolar World’s rising while the Unipolar World’s falling, and that’s generating more chaos than previously existed. The chore is containing the chaos. As we’re seeing, that isn’t easy and can become very volatile, deadly and damaging. As many have said, the current historical process is relentless and unavoidable as it is with all Paradigm Changes. What will transpire between now and 2030 will be a spectacle as IMO we are now in the most trying period of the transitional process.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2023 21:29 utc | 343

There’re many good comments to b’s article–too many to cite. The point at issue has been under discussion for months, but until today wasn’t the central topic. I’ve made my predictions and cited my reasons for them. However, there’s a more fundamental aspect related to the division of the world into two competing Blocs. The larger, Global Majority Bloc, seeks Harmony via equality and the seeking of a shared future within a series of political-economic systems that promote People Centered Development. Thus, the entire Bloc share a fundamental interest in common–the promotion of their citizenry which then reap rewards of a wholly different quality as they are beyond material. The smaller Neoliberal Bloc ruled by the Outlaw US Empire has vassals, not equal partners, whose one common interest is the exploitation of their people, not their development, which thus produces chaos in the dog-eat-dog world of competition for the few available material benefits. The supposed set of rules/laws in the latter bloc exist but are never followed to the letter and are more often trampled on. Within some of the latter bloc nations, enough inertia currently exists to perpetuate the economic vitality that made those nations strong. But since development of the people is no longer the political-economy’s goal, the chaos that will ensue is already visible in the close to 100 million people outside the official labor force (within the Outlaw US Empire) and the many homeless and semi-homeless (living in motels) who can’t afford housing because of Neoliberal Greed (what was once a nation of home-owners is becoming a nation of renters). (I focus on the Outlaw US Empire because I live within it and am most familiar with its detriments.)
The key factor for the Global Majority to attain Harmony and avoid the trap that’s captured the Neoliberal bloc of nations is to treat as many natural monopolies as public utilities as possible–and most importantly finance and real estate/land/housing. Private enterprise can co-exist with such a system while being closely regulated so oligarchs don’t rise that can threaten the integrity of the political system. Media is another issue–how should it be qualified–state or privately owned, or a hybrid where both exist? Concentration of ownership in any market or product segment should be strictly regulated and perhaps be made into a public utility if Harmony is threatened.
One key problem within many developing nations is they already have an oligarchy affecting politics and threatening Harmony–Argentina and Brazil are two very clear examples, but they aren’t alone. Oligarchies have interests very similar to that of the Neoliberal Bloc and crave such power and control. Their natural inclination is influenced by their addiction to Pleonexia and Megalomania often because oligarchs are sociopaths and narcissists who don’t give a damn about the wellbeing of their fellow humans. Thus, they are Anti-Humans. Efforts must be made to keep such people employed in places where they don’t constitute a threat to Harmony. How to accomplish that is well beyond the scope of my comment, but clearly some degree of social-engineering must be employed just as it must to create People Centered Development.
Currently a gap is widening as the Multipolar World’s rising while the Unipolar World’s falling, and that’s generating more chaos than previously existed. The chore is containing the chaos. As we’re seeing, that isn’t easy and can become very volatile, deadly and damaging. As many have said, the current historical process is relentless and unavoidable as it is with all Paradigm Changes. What will transpire between now and 2030 will be a spectacle as IMO we are now in the most trying period of the transitional process.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2023 21:29 utc | 344

by: SG | Oct 23 2023 21:25 utc | 171
There is an earthquake right now in the global economy: the USA are trying to raise an iron curtain over China, that is they are heavily curtailing their imports from China, including machine tools, and as a consequence they are driving up the demand for machine tools from “allied” countries.
True, but how is that sustainable?
That is “I give you money to buy in my shop!” economy.
Not very long lasting, really.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 21:32 utc | 345

by: SG | Oct 23 2023 21:25 utc | 171
There is an earthquake right now in the global economy: the USA are trying to raise an iron curtain over China, that is they are heavily curtailing their imports from China, including machine tools, and as a consequence they are driving up the demand for machine tools from “allied” countries.
True, but how is that sustainable?
That is “I give you money to buy in my shop!” economy.
Not very long lasting, really.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 21:32 utc | 346

Surferket | Oct 23 2023 21:15 utc | 167
Thanks for posting that. There is something I always remember from my visit to China. While there I visited a factory which made cutting tools and met with my contact there. We looked at their products for sometime, but at midday it was lunch time. I was more interested in looking at more of their tools but lunch break was pretty much mandatory. In that case – in sales it seemed more to do with Chinese custom than law. My daughter was with me so being westerners she takes us to Macdonalds. I can’t stand that crap but they also had Chinese meals on the menu so I ordered one of those which I do like.
My daughter was doing an engineering degree, and the young Chinese women had not long finished hers before acquiring her current job so the two had much to talk about. She would also ask me about my family and I told her I had three children. At the time the one child policy had not been lifted and it was just on that point she looked a bit gloomy and said she would like to have a larger family – a number of children. That was the only dark spot on her future. Everything else upbeat and full of optimism. Several years later I heard the one child policy had been lifted and felt happy for her.
A very small sample size to put in a reply to jpc. As far as I can see, the only thing collapsing now is the US propaganda bubble.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 21:36 utc | 347

Surferket | Oct 23 2023 21:15 utc | 167
Thanks for posting that. There is something I always remember from my visit to China. While there I visited a factory which made cutting tools and met with my contact there. We looked at their products for sometime, but at midday it was lunch time. I was more interested in looking at more of their tools but lunch break was pretty much mandatory. In that case – in sales it seemed more to do with Chinese custom than law. My daughter was with me so being westerners she takes us to Macdonalds. I can’t stand that crap but they also had Chinese meals on the menu so I ordered one of those which I do like.
My daughter was doing an engineering degree, and the young Chinese women had not long finished hers before acquiring her current job so the two had much to talk about. She would also ask me about my family and I told her I had three children. At the time the one child policy had not been lifted and it was just on that point she looked a bit gloomy and said she would like to have a larger family – a number of children. That was the only dark spot on her future. Everything else upbeat and full of optimism. Several years later I heard the one child policy had been lifted and felt happy for her.
A very small sample size to put in a reply to jpc. As far as I can see, the only thing collapsing now is the US propaganda bubble.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 21:36 utc | 348

Christian J Chuba #19
BillB | Oct 23 2023 15:57 utc | 55
There’s no need for $ for the things you mentioned, only loans in BRICS currencies.
Buy gold from the US – loool, just you try…
The only thing to do with excess $ is pay off other countries’ $ debt or buy foreign assets of US/ western owners. US & EU corporations own a lot of factories, mines, real estate all over the world.

Posted by: smuks | Oct 23 2023 21:37 utc | 349

Christian J Chuba #19
BillB | Oct 23 2023 15:57 utc | 55
There’s no need for $ for the things you mentioned, only loans in BRICS currencies.
Buy gold from the US – loool, just you try…
The only thing to do with excess $ is pay off other countries’ $ debt or buy foreign assets of US/ western owners. US & EU corporations own a lot of factories, mines, real estate all over the world.

Posted by: smuks | Oct 23 2023 21:37 utc | 350

Rumor circulating that Putin suffered cardiac arrest in his presidential bedroom.
Unverified, and many false rumors before, but with the clot shot you never know.

Posted by: Putin? | Oct 23 2023 21:38 utc | 351

Rumor circulating that Putin suffered cardiac arrest in his presidential bedroom.
Unverified, and many false rumors before, but with the clot shot you never know.

Posted by: Putin? | Oct 23 2023 21:38 utc | 352

If the former Empires had Nuclear bombs or missiles, what would have happened?
Rome, Persia, Spain, Bizantine, Ottomans, Greeks, Brits, etc etc….
They would bomb their enemies if their power was in danger

hugo | Oct 23 2023 14:15 utc | 2
Very good & important point.
It’s different this time: There mustn’t be a war of ‘hegemonic transition’ under any circumstance.
The explains a lot of Europe’s, Russia’s, China’s etc. behaviour. They simply cannot let the bankrupt US/UK ‘implode’ – they have to help engineer a soft landing, a soft transition. Even if it means paying a high price themselves. EU, China & Japan stand ready to help rebuild the US economy & infrastructure, but US/UK have to play ball and start following the rules. Little by little, they’re giving in…
21st C. categorical imperative: “Do not leave a declining superpower alone.”

Posted by: smuks | Oct 23 2023 21:39 utc | 353

If the former Empires had Nuclear bombs or missiles, what would have happened?
Rome, Persia, Spain, Bizantine, Ottomans, Greeks, Brits, etc etc….
They would bomb their enemies if their power was in danger

hugo | Oct 23 2023 14:15 utc | 2
Very good & important point.
It’s different this time: There mustn’t be a war of ‘hegemonic transition’ under any circumstance.
The explains a lot of Europe’s, Russia’s, China’s etc. behaviour. They simply cannot let the bankrupt US/UK ‘implode’ – they have to help engineer a soft landing, a soft transition. Even if it means paying a high price themselves. EU, China & Japan stand ready to help rebuild the US economy & infrastructure, but US/UK have to play ball and start following the rules. Little by little, they’re giving in…
21st C. categorical imperative: “Do not leave a declining superpower alone.”

Posted by: smuks | Oct 23 2023 21:39 utc | 354

Posted by: Putin? | Oct 23 2023 21:38 utc | 179
Some CIA jerk forgot to take their medicine. This is the same stuff that’s been spinning on MSM for the last 20 months.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 23 2023 21:41 utc | 355

Posted by: Putin? | Oct 23 2023 21:38 utc | 179
Some CIA jerk forgot to take their medicine. This is the same stuff that’s been spinning on MSM for the last 20 months.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 23 2023 21:41 utc | 356

“The penny has dropped” ?????
Perhaps the “penny has dropped” in the mind of one Joe Biden but there are still A LOT OF people who have no (financial ??) interest in letting “the penny drop”.
It reminds me of one John F. Kennedy who was already convinced that the US wasn’t abble to win the Vietnam war and wanted to withdraw US troops from Vietnam. Kennedy paid for that conviction with his life. And the Vietnam war dragged on for another 10 years.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Oct 23 2023 21:43 utc | 357

“The penny has dropped” ?????
Perhaps the “penny has dropped” in the mind of one Joe Biden but there are still A LOT OF people who have no (financial ??) interest in letting “the penny drop”.
It reminds me of one John F. Kennedy who was already convinced that the US wasn’t abble to win the Vietnam war and wanted to withdraw US troops from Vietnam. Kennedy paid for that conviction with his life. And the Vietnam war dragged on for another 10 years.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Oct 23 2023 21:43 utc | 358

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:54 utc | 166
The West also profited a lot from the fall of the USSR on the short run (stealing reserves in the chaos) and the long run (USSR hightech sector).
For example the DDR. Their products were seen as high quality in the former Warsaw pakt countries. The area around Jena/Erfurt was a hightech powerhouse back in the USSR and the GDR absorbed it after unification.
Look up Carl Zeiss. They are very important in a certain strategic hightech sector.
There is also an advanced laser cluster in the Baltics, dating from USSR times as well.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 21:45 utc | 359

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:54 utc | 166
The West also profited a lot from the fall of the USSR on the short run (stealing reserves in the chaos) and the long run (USSR hightech sector).
For example the DDR. Their products were seen as high quality in the former Warsaw pakt countries. The area around Jena/Erfurt was a hightech powerhouse back in the USSR and the GDR absorbed it after unification.
Look up Carl Zeiss. They are very important in a certain strategic hightech sector.
There is also an advanced laser cluster in the Baltics, dating from USSR times as well.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 21:45 utc | 360

@Mary #81:

And daily practice my greeting for the day the Russians arrive:
Ya molilsya chtoby ty prishel

First of all, you’re female, so the correct form should be ya molilas’, “I [female] have been praying.” Secondly, ty prishyol, “you [singular] have come” refers to one person, so if you’re addressing multiple Russians or Russians in general, it should be vy prishli, “you [plural] have come.” So your greeting should be ya molilas’, chtoby vy prishli, “I’ve been praying for you to come” (note the comma before the conjunction, separating two non-homogenous subject–verb pairs). Obviously, there’s no point in memorizing this as we have zero desire to invade the U.S. (nor do we have the military means to do so).

Posted by: S | Oct 23 2023 21:47 utc | 361

@Mary #81:

And daily practice my greeting for the day the Russians arrive:
Ya molilsya chtoby ty prishel

First of all, you’re female, so the correct form should be ya molilas’, “I [female] have been praying.” Secondly, ty prishyol, “you [singular] have come” refers to one person, so if you’re addressing multiple Russians or Russians in general, it should be vy prishli, “you [plural] have come.” So your greeting should be ya molilas’, chtoby vy prishli, “I’ve been praying for you to come” (note the comma before the conjunction, separating two non-homogenous subject–verb pairs). Obviously, there’s no point in memorizing this as we have zero desire to invade the U.S. (nor do we have the military means to do so).

Posted by: S | Oct 23 2023 21:47 utc | 362

by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2023 21:29 utc | 173
Very well written and a beautiful secular humanist accent, right there.
What will transpire between now and 2030 will be a spectacle as IMO we are now in the most trying period of the transitional process.
It just bears the question: A transitional process to where?
The rest is above-Escobarish style of delivering the process and a formula of a conflict to our (mine, at least) general understanding.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 21:48 utc | 363

by: karlof1 | Oct 23 2023 21:29 utc | 173
Very well written and a beautiful secular humanist accent, right there.
What will transpire between now and 2030 will be a spectacle as IMO we are now in the most trying period of the transitional process.
It just bears the question: A transitional process to where?
The rest is above-Escobarish style of delivering the process and a formula of a conflict to our (mine, at least) general understanding.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 21:48 utc | 364

SG | Oct 23 2023 21:25 utc | 171
Quite interesting what you point out. The only thing I would consider is the size of the market in the west as compared to the Rising east. At the moment, the quickly rising Asia pacific region perhaps is now, but certainly will be in the not too distant future the main importer of machine tools. At some point after that, Africa as it develops. But at the same time, China is making its way forward in the manufacturing of high quality machine tools.
By restricting itself to the west, Germany is manufacturing while aboard the titanic.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 21:49 utc | 365

SG | Oct 23 2023 21:25 utc | 171
Quite interesting what you point out. The only thing I would consider is the size of the market in the west as compared to the Rising east. At the moment, the quickly rising Asia pacific region perhaps is now, but certainly will be in the not too distant future the main importer of machine tools. At some point after that, Africa as it develops. But at the same time, China is making its way forward in the manufacturing of high quality machine tools.
By restricting itself to the west, Germany is manufacturing while aboard the titanic.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 21:49 utc | 366

@Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 21:34 utc | 175

@ karlof1 god you are long winded

Its called taking the time to explain something properly rather than coming up with pissy, childish, “clever” comments that add nothing to the discussion.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 23 2023 21:54 utc | 367

@Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 21:34 utc | 175

@ karlof1 god you are long winded

Its called taking the time to explain something properly rather than coming up with pissy, childish, “clever” comments that add nothing to the discussion.

Posted by: Roger | Oct 23 2023 21:54 utc | 368

Posted by: averros | Oct 23 2023 18:19 utc | 108
Lol. I got that from google translate!
I had a dream some 10 years ago that Russia invaded the US through the Maine coast. I had moved further north near the coast. I was very old & destitute because the country had fallen apart, & I asked them to take care of my girls, referring to 2 mares, before collapsing. Then I woke up.
So I was trying to think of how I would greet my invaders, hoping, too, my Russian last name would garner some sympathy for an old babushka. Just. In. Case.
One of the books I have now & the one on order are by Russians. Not sure about the cd…haven’t listened yet, but hope so for quality pronounciation.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 21:54 utc | 369

Posted by: averros | Oct 23 2023 18:19 utc | 108
Lol. I got that from google translate!
I had a dream some 10 years ago that Russia invaded the US through the Maine coast. I had moved further north near the coast. I was very old & destitute because the country had fallen apart, & I asked them to take care of my girls, referring to 2 mares, before collapsing. Then I woke up.
So I was trying to think of how I would greet my invaders, hoping, too, my Russian last name would garner some sympathy for an old babushka. Just. In. Case.
One of the books I have now & the one on order are by Russians. Not sure about the cd…haven’t listened yet, but hope so for quality pronounciation.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 21:54 utc | 370

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 23 2023 21:41 utc | 181
We already know from the msm that he has 30 cancers. At least.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 23 2023 21:56 utc | 371

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 23 2023 21:41 utc | 181
We already know from the msm that he has 30 cancers. At least.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 23 2023 21:56 utc | 372

Posted by: Putin? | Oct 23 2023 21:38 utc | 179
Sputnik is a traditional vax, not mrna.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 21:56 utc | 373

Posted by: Putin? | Oct 23 2023 21:38 utc | 179
Sputnik is a traditional vax, not mrna.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 21:56 utc | 374

SG | Oct 23 2023 20:37 utc | 162
Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:54 utc | 166
Interesting lists you posted.
I agree energy costs aren’t a problem for German/ EU machine tool production (unlike for basic industries steel, chemistry etc.), however the terms of trade change in favour of energy exporters. Less consumption in Europe itself, more exports.
But I think this should be viewed through a geopolitics lens, rather than economics.
It’s less about GDP or import/export value, than about dependency in vital sectors.
Things look less rosy there.
EU and China have manufacturing and educated workforce, while both lack raw materials, military (which includes control of shipping lanes); Europe also lacks intel. US and Russia have complementary strengths & weaknesses. Who’s more dependent, who has more options to choose allies/ trade partners?

Posted by: smuks | Oct 23 2023 21:57 utc | 375

SG | Oct 23 2023 20:37 utc | 162
Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 20:54 utc | 166
Interesting lists you posted.
I agree energy costs aren’t a problem for German/ EU machine tool production (unlike for basic industries steel, chemistry etc.), however the terms of trade change in favour of energy exporters. Less consumption in Europe itself, more exports.
But I think this should be viewed through a geopolitics lens, rather than economics.
It’s less about GDP or import/export value, than about dependency in vital sectors.
Things look less rosy there.
EU and China have manufacturing and educated workforce, while both lack raw materials, military (which includes control of shipping lanes); Europe also lacks intel. US and Russia have complementary strengths & weaknesses. Who’s more dependent, who has more options to choose allies/ trade partners?

Posted by: smuks | Oct 23 2023 21:57 utc | 376

The agreement in Yalta is what enabled the USA to gain such immense power across the world. Then greed and avarice set in. It is the way of these people. Then justification to stab the other major power holder, Russia, in the back. The USA’s time is done. Wait until the citizens find out how tge countey has been robbed blind, and tgey are supposed to foot the bill. Everything unravels from ghe inside out.

Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Oct 23 2023 21:58 utc | 377

The agreement in Yalta is what enabled the USA to gain such immense power across the world. Then greed and avarice set in. It is the way of these people. Then justification to stab the other major power holder, Russia, in the back. The USA’s time is done. Wait until the citizens find out how tge countey has been robbed blind, and tgey are supposed to foot the bill. Everything unravels from ghe inside out.

Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Oct 23 2023 21:58 utc | 378

btw – very good post karlof1… i have missed your substack articles the past 1-2 days… i guess you are still in transit?

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 22:00 utc | 379

btw – very good post karlof1… i have missed your substack articles the past 1-2 days… i guess you are still in transit?

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 22:00 utc | 380

Obviously, there’s no point in memorizing this as we have zero desire to invade the U.S. (nor do we have the military means to do so).
Posted by: S | Oct 23 2023 21:47 utc | 184
Thank you for the correction, S. I still will be praying for it. Someone needs to take out the psychos running the asylum here!
And never say never. None of us knows what the next decade will bring…

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 22:01 utc | 381

Obviously, there’s no point in memorizing this as we have zero desire to invade the U.S. (nor do we have the military means to do so).
Posted by: S | Oct 23 2023 21:47 utc | 184
Thank you for the correction, S. I still will be praying for it. Someone needs to take out the psychos running the asylum here!
And never say never. None of us knows what the next decade will bring…

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 22:01 utc | 382

Posted by: Fourth Turning | Oct 23 2023 21:34 utc | 176
The exceptionality is strong in this one.
“The best and brightest” lol

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 22:01 utc | 383

Posted by: Fourth Turning | Oct 23 2023 21:34 utc | 176
The exceptionality is strong in this one.
“The best and brightest” lol

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 22:01 utc | 384

It’s darkly hilarious watching the yids murdering 150 toddlers a day chickenshit style using bombing while their nazi US/EU globohomoshlomo enablers revel in the carnage like a snuff movie writ large. That great social democrat, Reinhard Heydrich, at least owned his handiwork stating: “nits become lice”.

Posted by: 24ouncer | Oct 23 2023 22:08 utc | 385

It’s darkly hilarious watching the yids murdering 150 toddlers a day chickenshit style using bombing while their nazi US/EU globohomoshlomo enablers revel in the carnage like a snuff movie writ large. That great social democrat, Reinhard Heydrich, at least owned his handiwork stating: “nits become lice”.

Posted by: 24ouncer | Oct 23 2023 22:08 utc | 386

To be accurate though, there NEVER WAS true “Unipolarity”.
The US NEVER Fully Controlled China.
The US NEVER Fully Controlled Russia.
The US NEVER Fully Controlled India.
The US NEVER Fully Controlled countries like Iran & North Korea either, and hasn’t controlled Cuba for over six decades..
China, Russia & India are countries that are there own centres of power and have been for centuries.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 23 2023 22:19 utc | 387

To be accurate though, there NEVER WAS true “Unipolarity”.
The US NEVER Fully Controlled China.
The US NEVER Fully Controlled Russia.
The US NEVER Fully Controlled India.
The US NEVER Fully Controlled countries like Iran & North Korea either, and hasn’t controlled Cuba for over six decades..
China, Russia & India are countries that are there own centres of power and have been for centuries.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 23 2023 22:19 utc | 388

Hospitals run out of electricity in Aleppo.

Director of the Ministry of Health in Gaza told Al Jazeera live:
Fuel ran out for the hospitals, which means killing hundreds of patients and premature babies.
There’s a COMPLETE power outage at the Indonesian Hospital, in Gaza, due to the lack of fuel. This threatens thousands of wounded inside the hospital during the coming hours.

https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1716576295918694693

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 23 2023 22:19 utc | 389

Hospitals run out of electricity in Aleppo.

Director of the Ministry of Health in Gaza told Al Jazeera live:
Fuel ran out for the hospitals, which means killing hundreds of patients and premature babies.
There’s a COMPLETE power outage at the Indonesian Hospital, in Gaza, due to the lack of fuel. This threatens thousands of wounded inside the hospital during the coming hours.

https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1716576295918694693

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 23 2023 22:19 utc | 390

Posted by: fake james | Oct 23 2023 21:34 utc | 175
@ karlof1 god you are long winded
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Compared to you, karlof1 pretty much is god.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 23 2023 22:26 utc | 391

Posted by: fake james | Oct 23 2023 21:34 utc | 175
@ karlof1 god you are long winded
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Compared to you, karlof1 pretty much is god.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 23 2023 22:26 utc | 392

1. But today multipolarity has risen.
2. Today we live in multilateral world. We see Russia, China and many smaller countries united in their will to preserve their rights and security. The cold-war is gone. The somewhat unilateral decades which had followed it are now over. We are in need a new world order.
3. In the U.S. that penny has finally started to drop.
4. It has not yet reached the ground. We do not know on which side it will land.
………
1. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
2. Cold war replaced by threat of the hottest war ever seen.
3.It will take more than a penny or two dropping on their heads to make a substantial difference. Said it long ago, (2014) or thereabouts, they won’t go quietly into that good night, unless radical change is the ultimate goal. “Creative destruction is our middle name” Bush 2 era neocon Micheal ledeen. Look it up and see the madness for yourself. And they never went away, certainly not in spirit nor intent.
4.”We do not know on which side it will land”. ‘We’ never do until the fat lady sings, then we are left with no choice but to live with the consequences. All the careful planning one had done can disappear like a life caught in a thermobaric explosion.
It’s not like this sort of thing is new, never happened before, yet new generations become distracted with trinkets and easily forget the past and it’s horrors. The old, like me, often fail to impress upon them that everything in their world is more fluid than they think it is and bad things don’t just happen to folks in far away lands.
The Western consumer based society faces extraordinary challenges and at present, it would seem to me, what’s holding it together is a ponzi scheme our betters call the finance industry. That’s our weak spot.
Read today that current interest rate hikes in the US translate to an increase in payments on a $500,000 mortgage of $1,400 per month. But Biden wants yet another $105 billion to give to Ukraine, Israel including several billion for US border security.
I give you some goodies to sell to your base Mr.and Ms. Republican outsider, now be good boys and girls and go along, to get along. The Go Along to Get Along Gang as a much younger Girlfriend of mine in the distant past used to say. You know, if young people aren’t purposely dumbed down and given a chance, they can be quite in tune with how things work. Brilliant even 🙂
Some say Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Might have been an illustration to make a point, I dunno.
What I do know about, is the horror and how it keeps happening even though, we are a civilized people. Some are so civilized, why they even live in a Garden, not in some jungle with the beasts.
And that is what passes as head ‘diplomat’ in the EU.

Posted by: bubbles | Oct 23 2023 22:29 utc | 393

1. But today multipolarity has risen.
2. Today we live in multilateral world. We see Russia, China and many smaller countries united in their will to preserve their rights and security. The cold-war is gone. The somewhat unilateral decades which had followed it are now over. We are in need a new world order.
3. In the U.S. that penny has finally started to drop.
4. It has not yet reached the ground. We do not know on which side it will land.
………
1. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
2. Cold war replaced by threat of the hottest war ever seen.
3.It will take more than a penny or two dropping on their heads to make a substantial difference. Said it long ago, (2014) or thereabouts, they won’t go quietly into that good night, unless radical change is the ultimate goal. “Creative destruction is our middle name” Bush 2 era neocon Micheal ledeen. Look it up and see the madness for yourself. And they never went away, certainly not in spirit nor intent.
4.”We do not know on which side it will land”. ‘We’ never do until the fat lady sings, then we are left with no choice but to live with the consequences. All the careful planning one had done can disappear like a life caught in a thermobaric explosion.
It’s not like this sort of thing is new, never happened before, yet new generations become distracted with trinkets and easily forget the past and it’s horrors. The old, like me, often fail to impress upon them that everything in their world is more fluid than they think it is and bad things don’t just happen to folks in far away lands.
The Western consumer based society faces extraordinary challenges and at present, it would seem to me, what’s holding it together is a ponzi scheme our betters call the finance industry. That’s our weak spot.
Read today that current interest rate hikes in the US translate to an increase in payments on a $500,000 mortgage of $1,400 per month. But Biden wants yet another $105 billion to give to Ukraine, Israel including several billion for US border security.
I give you some goodies to sell to your base Mr.and Ms. Republican outsider, now be good boys and girls and go along, to get along. The Go Along to Get Along Gang as a much younger Girlfriend of mine in the distant past used to say. You know, if young people aren’t purposely dumbed down and given a chance, they can be quite in tune with how things work. Brilliant even 🙂
Some say Nero fiddled while Rome burned. Might have been an illustration to make a point, I dunno.
What I do know about, is the horror and how it keeps happening even though, we are a civilized people. Some are so civilized, why they even live in a Garden, not in some jungle with the beasts.
And that is what passes as head ‘diplomat’ in the EU.

Posted by: bubbles | Oct 23 2023 22:29 utc | 394

Netanyahu stays in the government as long as there is a war status.
Netanyahu’s aZ is cooked once the IDF stands down.
This does not bode well for peace.

Posted by: librul | Oct 23 2023 22:33 utc | 395

Netanyahu stays in the government as long as there is a war status.
Netanyahu’s aZ is cooked once the IDF stands down.
This does not bode well for peace.

Posted by: librul | Oct 23 2023 22:33 utc | 396

bubbles | Oct 23 2023 22:29 utc | 201
This concept of civilization being equated with peace, goodness and all things nicey nicey.
The history of civilization is the history of industrial warfare that kills on a grand scale.
This began as soon as humans could produce sufficient food and weapons to maintain an army in the field – long campaigns, standing armies ect.
Battles involving fifty thousand dead or more in a single days battle are not uncommon going right back to the earliest written history.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 22:39 utc | 397

bubbles | Oct 23 2023 22:29 utc | 201
This concept of civilization being equated with peace, goodness and all things nicey nicey.
The history of civilization is the history of industrial warfare that kills on a grand scale.
This began as soon as humans could produce sufficient food and weapons to maintain an army in the field – long campaigns, standing armies ect.
Battles involving fifty thousand dead or more in a single days battle are not uncommon going right back to the earliest written history.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 22:39 utc | 398

The problem, however, of imperialism will remain, because it is a function of capitalist class rule and the longing for monopoly to free capitalists from the disciplines of markets, such as they are.
The global war that is needed is a class war between the many and the few: a revolution, of the sort that in both 1917 and 1949 there was a possibility of spreadsing. A possibility that was suppressed by Imperialism employed to protect the interests of the Capitalist few.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 14:24 utc | 10
I assume you’re alluding to Lenin, since you’re using some of Lenin’s terms here to describe the current situation. But remember Lenin theorized that Imperialism was a STAGE of capitalism, and the Leninist view is that there’s no point in quibbling over who’s right and who’s wrong when the Imperialist superpowers start battling over table scraps (new markets, whatever natural resources are left, etc.). The US could be the global hegemon for another 100 years, or it might be replaced by China, or even a new era of multipolarity… In strict Marxist terms, these are merely distributive changes, and don’t necessarily entail changes in the real heart of the matter: the capitalist mode of production. Until humanity moves beyond this mode of production and the commodity form itself, human liberation is not possible.

Posted by: Lukacs | Oct 23 2023 22:58 utc | 399

The problem, however, of imperialism will remain, because it is a function of capitalist class rule and the longing for monopoly to free capitalists from the disciplines of markets, such as they are.
The global war that is needed is a class war between the many and the few: a revolution, of the sort that in both 1917 and 1949 there was a possibility of spreadsing. A possibility that was suppressed by Imperialism employed to protect the interests of the Capitalist few.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 14:24 utc | 10
I assume you’re alluding to Lenin, since you’re using some of Lenin’s terms here to describe the current situation. But remember Lenin theorized that Imperialism was a STAGE of capitalism, and the Leninist view is that there’s no point in quibbling over who’s right and who’s wrong when the Imperialist superpowers start battling over table scraps (new markets, whatever natural resources are left, etc.). The US could be the global hegemon for another 100 years, or it might be replaced by China, or even a new era of multipolarity… In strict Marxist terms, these are merely distributive changes, and don’t necessarily entail changes in the real heart of the matter: the capitalist mode of production. Until humanity moves beyond this mode of production and the commodity form itself, human liberation is not possible.

Posted by: Lukacs | Oct 23 2023 22:58 utc | 400