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October 23, 2023
The Penny Drops – The World Is Multi-Polar

In 2007, during his famous speech in Munich, the Russian President Vladimir Putin pointed to the inevitable rise of a multipolar world.

He started out by defining the opposite state:

However, what is a unipolar world? However one might embellish this term, at the end of the day it refers to one type of situation, namely one centre of authority, one centre of force, one centre of decision-making.

It is world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.

The unilateral tendencies of the U.S. and the West in general were described as dead ends:

[W]hat is happening in today’s world – and we just started to discuss this – is a tentative to introduce precisely this concept into international affairs, the concept of a unipolar world.

And with which results?

Unilateral and frequently illegitimate actions have not resolved any problems. Moreover, they have caused new human tragedies and created new centres of tension.

We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?

He pointed to the inevitable changes in the world that were arising to counter this trend:

The combined GDP measured in purchasing power parity of countries such as India and China is already greater than that of the United States. And a similar calculation with the GDP of the BRIC countries – Brazil, Russia, India and China – surpasses the cumulative GDP of the EU. And according to experts this gap will only increase in the future.

There is no reason to doubt that the economic potential of the new centres of global economic growth will inevitably be converted into political influence and will strengthen multipolarity.

There it is, multipolarity, the 'bad word' that the U.S. did not dare to take serious. Putin was laughed at, and then condemned, for making those very clear predictions.

But today multipolarity has risen.

Today we live in multilateral world. We see Russia, China and many smaller countries united in their will to preserve their rights and security. The cold-war is gone. The somewhat unilateral decades which had followed it are now over. We are in need a new world order.

In the U.S. that penny has finally started to drop.

It has not yet reached the ground. We do not know on which side it will land.

Two days ago U.S. President Joe Biden spoke at a campaign even. Among lots of the usual blah-blah this paragraph stood out:

We were in a post-war period for 50 years where it worked pretty damn well, but that’s sort of run out of steam. Sort of run out of steam. It needs a new — a new world order in a sense, like that was a world order.

There it is -  one can see the penny, slipping out of his hand and falling down.

The time for the U.S. to preserve some of its influence in the rising new world order is short:

Look, we’re at an inflection point in history — literally an inflection point in history, and that is that decisions we make in the next four or five years are going to determine what the next four or five decades look like. And that’s — that’s a fact.

The Ukrainian news site Strana, which was first to point to Biden's acknowledgement of global change, describes the implications of that thought (machine translation):

It should be noted that the "damn good" post-war 50-year peace that Biden spoke about arose as a result of the most brutal war in the history of mankind. It also appeared due to the agreements of the USSR and the United States, which essentially divided the spheres of influence in Europe.

If we proceed from this historical context, then Biden, it turns out, offers either to win a military victory over the Russian Federation and China, with which the United States is currently at enmity, or to negotiate with them and arrange a "new Yalta" with the division of spheres of influence.

On which side will the penny land? The side of a new global war? Or on the side of new negotiations?

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We do not know.

Putin had predicted that the pursuit of unilateral power would automatically lead to the end its pursuer. As Biden acknowledges, the U.S., in its delusion, is ripping itself apart.

Prior to the campaign event Biden had given a public speech from the White House.

Adam Tooze reflects on it:

Biden:

American leadership is what holds the world together.

The President wasn’t just improvising. He has not done a lot of speeches from the Oval Office. A speech-writing team crafted that extraordinary line.

It reflects deeply held views on the part of Washington. Back in February 2021, the newly appointed Secretary of State Antony Blinken gave several speeches and interviews in which he repeated the line:

The world doesn’t organize itself. When we’re not engaged, when we don’t lead, then one of two things happens: either some other country tries to take our place, but probably not in a way that advances our interests and values, or no one does, and then you get chaos.

This idea, that there is a “place” in the world, which is that of “America as the organizer”, and that without America occupying that place and doing its job, the world will fall apart, or some other power will take America’s place as the organizer, is deep-seated in US policy circle.

As a metaphysical proposition it is silly and self-deluding. It is bizarre to imagine that the world needs America to “hold it together”. America itself is hardly in one piece.

He describes the negative global consequences of delusional U.S. thinking to then muse about the outcome:

What is the impact of a dysfunctional US political system, where the more reasonable wing of the ruling elite cling to ideas about America’s role that are systematically self-deluding. You could say that hypocrisy is normal. It is the besetting sin of liberalism. But in light of the scale of looming global problems and the shift in the balance of power that has already taken place, let alone that which may still to come, how long can this tension be maintained and what will be the price?

He seems to ask if the now falling penny will ever hit the ground:

The only thing that seems for sure is that we should avoid falling into the trap of what I’ve called fin-fiction or fin-fi, which assumes that because these tension seem unbearable they must therefore resolve in some logical way, for instance in the speculation over the end of dollar hegemony, or what appears be the Biden fantasy of a return to the normality of American leadership.

I am skeptical even of invoking terms like “interregnum”, signifying a temporary hiatus between orders of power.

What gives us confidence that our current situation is temporary and that some new order, like the old, will emerge?

Is that not another version of the kind of thinking that says the world “needs organizing” by a power sitting at the head of the table – in “America’s place”?

That question, to me, seems to miss what multilateralism really means. It does not mean unilateralism with a different country in the lead. It means a somewhat democratic UN system, with an expanded Security Council that includes the large population countries of each continent.

It means to follow international law.

Will the U.S. come back into that system? Or does it need a global war to decide the outcome?

Comments

Threatening with nukes isn’t a power move. It is a desperate one. The Israeli leadership must be absolutely terrified right now.
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Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:31 utc | 94
Yep, they look spooked to me. They would not be talking so much if they thought they had the upper hand. All the bombing is a foolish displacement activity. I am sure this has all been a big surprise. Arrogance makes you stupid.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 201

Threatening with nukes isn’t a power move. It is a desperate one. The Israeli leadership must be absolutely terrified right now.
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Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:31 utc | 94
Yep, they look spooked to me. They would not be talking so much if they thought they had the upper hand. All the bombing is a foolish displacement activity. I am sure this has all been a big surprise. Arrogance makes you stupid.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 202

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:26 utc | 92
Not really true.
While some individuals will always be jealous/greedy whatever that’s not really ingrained in human nature.
In less civilized societies, collaboration was a better choice in front of competition, it’s capitalism and consumismo that pledge towards competition that drive towards greed and the rest.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 203

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:26 utc | 92
Not really true.
While some individuals will always be jealous/greedy whatever that’s not really ingrained in human nature.
In less civilized societies, collaboration was a better choice in front of competition, it’s capitalism and consumismo that pledge towards competition that drive towards greed and the rest.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 204

Defense Minister Gallant‘s language and tone seems oddly familiar. Now where did we hear a similar speech where a beleaguered leader asked for Totaler Krieg from his party faithful ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 205

Defense Minister Gallant‘s language and tone seems oddly familiar. Now where did we hear a similar speech where a beleaguered leader asked for Totaler Krieg from his party faithful ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 206

I fear that the American boss class will go down fighting, even as I hope not.
Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 23 2023 14:20 utc | 7
They wount go fighting themselves. They will make us fighting and killing each other.And they will sit in their armchairs and laughabout us.

Posted by: Mercurysilver | Oct 23 2023 17:49 utc | 207

I fear that the American boss class will go down fighting, even as I hope not.
Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 23 2023 14:20 utc | 7
They wount go fighting themselves. They will make us fighting and killing each other.And they will sit in their armchairs and laughabout us.

Posted by: Mercurysilver | Oct 23 2023 17:49 utc | 208

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 17:27 utc | 93
I understand where you come from but both things have already been tried and are not that great.
1. You have this today with all the (e)bike, car or scooter sharing apps. After 10 uses the good is damaged and polluting.
2. Corporate communal self governance. We had that in Eastern Europe under communism and in the USSR. Did not suck that much but was not competitive vs. western goods. No punishment for mistakes.
There is a middle way, the one of common prosperity that is nevertheless centrally managed but at an abstract level. China and Russia come to mind. Strong public services for the greater good. Zero organised crime that challenges the state authority (like in central america). Cultural conservatism and true tolerance at the same time.
Environmentally I hear you. The issue is with infinite material growth and the need for it for the economy to function. Underlying it is the social construct of material prosperity taken as measure of men.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 17:56 utc | 209

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 17:27 utc | 93
I understand where you come from but both things have already been tried and are not that great.
1. You have this today with all the (e)bike, car or scooter sharing apps. After 10 uses the good is damaged and polluting.
2. Corporate communal self governance. We had that in Eastern Europe under communism and in the USSR. Did not suck that much but was not competitive vs. western goods. No punishment for mistakes.
There is a middle way, the one of common prosperity that is nevertheless centrally managed but at an abstract level. China and Russia come to mind. Strong public services for the greater good. Zero organised crime that challenges the state authority (like in central america). Cultural conservatism and true tolerance at the same time.
Environmentally I hear you. The issue is with infinite material growth and the need for it for the economy to function. Underlying it is the social construct of material prosperity taken as measure of men.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 17:56 utc | 210

Defense Minister Gallant‘s language and tone seems oddly familiar. Now where did we hear a similar speech where a beleaguered leader asked for Totaler Krieg from his party faithful ?
Posted by: Exile | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 103
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The Ukraine. Couple of months ago. 😉

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 23 2023 18:02 utc | 211

Defense Minister Gallant‘s language and tone seems oddly familiar. Now where did we hear a similar speech where a beleaguered leader asked for Totaler Krieg from his party faithful ?
Posted by: Exile | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 103
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The Ukraine. Couple of months ago. 😉

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 23 2023 18:02 utc | 212

First rule of the bar, buy a drink for all your friends before you sit down.
Imagine a bar in 1973. Newcastle, the North of England, Friday night,a young man standing alone defending the rights of the Palestinians against his uneducated friends. That was me.
How far have we come in 50 years… That young man is now 71. How many more innocent children must die before I do.
Fuck me, sort it out, I`m crying in shame that I didn`t do more than just argue.
Much love from France x

Posted by: extremebuilder | Oct 23 2023 18:17 utc | 213

First rule of the bar, buy a drink for all your friends before you sit down.
Imagine a bar in 1973. Newcastle, the North of England, Friday night,a young man standing alone defending the rights of the Palestinians against his uneducated friends. That was me.
How far have we come in 50 years… That young man is now 71. How many more innocent children must die before I do.
Fuck me, sort it out, I`m crying in shame that I didn`t do more than just argue.
Much love from France x

Posted by: extremebuilder | Oct 23 2023 18:17 utc | 214

Ya molilsya chtoby ty prishel
Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 81
Mary… you may want to find textbooks which better reflect actual modern Russian. Nobody says something like that in the real life. It sounds like a phrase from a historical novel set in 19th century.

Posted by: averros | Oct 23 2023 18:19 utc | 215

Ya molilsya chtoby ty prishel
Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 81
Mary… you may want to find textbooks which better reflect actual modern Russian. Nobody says something like that in the real life. It sounds like a phrase from a historical novel set in 19th century.

Posted by: averros | Oct 23 2023 18:19 utc | 216

Russia’s next gen strategic weapons system have broken through the US hubris. As he said, he intends making Russia so strong, nobody will attack it.
That is what we are seeing now. Now push back is occurring in the form of blocking the US whichever war it turns for war.
The current policy of Russia, China and others simply by blocking is to allow the US to simply wither on the vine. Even doing that is walking the thin edge of a razor so has to be finely balanced.
I spent some time watching youtube videos of small workshops around the world. Engineering, blacksmithing ect. The US was noticeable/notable in that nearly all American small workshops had a large American flag pinned to the wall and was always seen in the background. Americans are by far the worst flag wavers in the world.
If major US assets are destroyed, and aircraft carrier or two, there will be massive outcry in the US population for war and more war. That is part of American culture, the American way. They have no understanding that can only result in the complete destruction of America with no survivors.
Palestine has the very real potential to blow up into a much wider war in which many more are killed, possibly leading straight to global nuclear war.
Those who say Russia, China, the Arab world should be doing this, should be doing that – the armchair generals have zero understanding of the death and destruction their proposed actions would bring on the world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 18:20 utc | 217

Russia’s next gen strategic weapons system have broken through the US hubris. As he said, he intends making Russia so strong, nobody will attack it.
That is what we are seeing now. Now push back is occurring in the form of blocking the US whichever war it turns for war.
The current policy of Russia, China and others simply by blocking is to allow the US to simply wither on the vine. Even doing that is walking the thin edge of a razor so has to be finely balanced.
I spent some time watching youtube videos of small workshops around the world. Engineering, blacksmithing ect. The US was noticeable/notable in that nearly all American small workshops had a large American flag pinned to the wall and was always seen in the background. Americans are by far the worst flag wavers in the world.
If major US assets are destroyed, and aircraft carrier or two, there will be massive outcry in the US population for war and more war. That is part of American culture, the American way. They have no understanding that can only result in the complete destruction of America with no survivors.
Palestine has the very real potential to blow up into a much wider war in which many more are killed, possibly leading straight to global nuclear war.
Those who say Russia, China, the Arab world should be doing this, should be doing that – the armchair generals have zero understanding of the death and destruction their proposed actions would bring on the world.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 18:20 utc | 218

Not really true.
While some individuals will always be jealous/greedy whatever that’s not really ingrained in human nature.
In less civilized societies, collaboration was a better choice in front of competition, it’s capitalism and consumismo that pledge towards competition that drive towards greed and the rest.
Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 102
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As I mentioned earlier, some cultures work to ameliorate these traits but they are well-rooted in human behavior recorded all over the world as long as we have had records.
So on top of Utopia where we change how everyone handles property and no one owns anything outright anymore, we have to return to a “less civilized” model. If that includes trial by combat and harems stocked with concubines, sign me up. 😂
I agree with the poster who said this sounds suspiciously like a Klaus Schwab plan. Next people will tell me that women will stop preferring tall handsome strong men, and men will stop preferring chaste shy, and feminine women. That sexbots and test tubes will continue the species. Coincidentally, I was rewatching Gattaca last night.
It all sounds like EAT THE BUGS to me. No thanks, I have been a Carnivore for 8 years now. Cow farts be damned.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 18:21 utc | 219

Not really true.
While some individuals will always be jealous/greedy whatever that’s not really ingrained in human nature.
In less civilized societies, collaboration was a better choice in front of competition, it’s capitalism and consumismo that pledge towards competition that drive towards greed and the rest.
Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 17:47 utc | 102
##############
As I mentioned earlier, some cultures work to ameliorate these traits but they are well-rooted in human behavior recorded all over the world as long as we have had records.
So on top of Utopia where we change how everyone handles property and no one owns anything outright anymore, we have to return to a “less civilized” model. If that includes trial by combat and harems stocked with concubines, sign me up. 😂
I agree with the poster who said this sounds suspiciously like a Klaus Schwab plan. Next people will tell me that women will stop preferring tall handsome strong men, and men will stop preferring chaste shy, and feminine women. That sexbots and test tubes will continue the species. Coincidentally, I was rewatching Gattaca last night.
It all sounds like EAT THE BUGS to me. No thanks, I have been a Carnivore for 8 years now. Cow farts be damned.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 18:21 utc | 220

Posted by: Bakunin17 | Oct 23 2023 15:38 utc | 46:

….Power and domination don’t negotiate, they use violence and other forms of coercion to instill obedience. America will fight wars as its doing in Ukraine and Gaza and Taiwan to keep ruling, military violence is the only tool America has to fight.

Yes, America will fight on. But since 1945 it seemed to have latched onto a losing streak: it lost China (at least the American Congress thought it did); then it lost again in Korea; then it lost again in Cuba; then it lost again in Xizang (Tibet); then it lost again in Vietnam; then it lost again in Iran; then it lost again in Lebanon; then it lost in Afghanistan; then it lost again in Syria; then, at present, it is losing again in Ukraine and soon in Gaza.
I think it will fight on, as you opined that it is its only tool on hand, but I don’t see its losing streak ending anytime soon. I just wonder how long it’ll take before America finally losing Europe, Japan, and ALL OF KOREA.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2023 18:24 utc | 221

Posted by: Bakunin17 | Oct 23 2023 15:38 utc | 46:

….Power and domination don’t negotiate, they use violence and other forms of coercion to instill obedience. America will fight wars as its doing in Ukraine and Gaza and Taiwan to keep ruling, military violence is the only tool America has to fight.

Yes, America will fight on. But since 1945 it seemed to have latched onto a losing streak: it lost China (at least the American Congress thought it did); then it lost again in Korea; then it lost again in Cuba; then it lost again in Xizang (Tibet); then it lost again in Vietnam; then it lost again in Iran; then it lost again in Lebanon; then it lost in Afghanistan; then it lost again in Syria; then, at present, it is losing again in Ukraine and soon in Gaza.
I think it will fight on, as you opined that it is its only tool on hand, but I don’t see its losing streak ending anytime soon. I just wonder how long it’ll take before America finally losing Europe, Japan, and ALL OF KOREA.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2023 18:24 utc | 222

On which side will the penny land? The side of a new global war? Or on the side of new negotiations?

The reason for the fall of the US, at least as hard and deep as it is going was the increasing influence of the so-called “neocons” (American Zionists) which had grown steadily during the 50s and 60s before having a big-bang moment during the Reagan admin and then another after waning (As did Israel) during the 90s and coming to their greatest power after 9/11 in what amounted to a coup (There is no other way to describe it since there were absolutely no consequences for anyone after Iraq even when public sentiment flipped and they just kept getting away with new wars) and then their current high in the Biden admin being absolutely saturated in the admin after Trump’s policy of not starting new wars for Israel in the Middle East caused them to mass decamp to the Democrats. They have already started an insane proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, something no other US admin would ever have even considered, let alone instigate as a result of “Russiagate” hysteria. Now the Blinken admin (Biden is not in control, Blinken is, let’s be real) is sending massive military support (Not one but two aircraft carriers, that is not an empty gesture, that is a real military deployment) and enabling Israel to get away with things that would have been seen as over the line in the past.
The question is now, with the US in terminal decline but still by far the most powerful military in the world and with a rare opening (Along with Netanyahu having a strong incentive personally) will the neocons consider this a now or never opportunity (Particularly with Russia still tied down in Ukraine) to take on Syria and even Iran. Consider the neocons worldview (Again, they’re just American Zionists) they consider Israel, as an explicit Jewish state as an existential issue, the ending of this would be the same as the end of the world as far as they care. The same goes for the Israelis. (And Netanyahu is going to jail or at least will have his political career ended unless he finesses this into an epic victory over Syria and Iran, bombing the hell out of Gaza isn’t going to do it, he needs to turn this into a regional war and win.)
The neocons only care about the state of the United States insofar as it concerns it’s ability to help Israel and smite it’s enemies for it. So that this regional war would likely be bad for the US is of no concern to them. For the Israelis this might be the best or even last chance to drag the US into fighting Syria or even Iran for them. And even better, the way to trigger the war and get Syria to attack it is also the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Two birds, one stone.
Now the US is continuing to send more missile defense stuff to Israel which means one thing, they anticipate that at least Hezbollah will start a barrage, and Hezbollah won’t start a barrage unless Israel invades Gaza. (The devastation in Lebanon is already too great) Therefore the US and Israel know and approve of a plan to invade Gaza and it hasn’t been called off. There is also nothing in the more nuanced US language of late that indicates any pushback or change of plan. The US seems to just want to pull out US passport holders because they know what’s coming is going to be horrific. Remember, the second carrier isn’t in position yet, there is no need to rush before it’s there to take action when the regional war starts and the slower this all moves the easier to boil the frog and take this at your pace.
As I said before for the neocons and Israelis the end of Israel as Jewish state is already the end of the world. When you have a deflating currency (US military and political hegemony) you spend it.

Posted by: Altai | Oct 23 2023 18:27 utc | 223

On which side will the penny land? The side of a new global war? Or on the side of new negotiations?

The reason for the fall of the US, at least as hard and deep as it is going was the increasing influence of the so-called “neocons” (American Zionists) which had grown steadily during the 50s and 60s before having a big-bang moment during the Reagan admin and then another after waning (As did Israel) during the 90s and coming to their greatest power after 9/11 in what amounted to a coup (There is no other way to describe it since there were absolutely no consequences for anyone after Iraq even when public sentiment flipped and they just kept getting away with new wars) and then their current high in the Biden admin being absolutely saturated in the admin after Trump’s policy of not starting new wars for Israel in the Middle East caused them to mass decamp to the Democrats. They have already started an insane proxy war with Russia in Ukraine, something no other US admin would ever have even considered, let alone instigate as a result of “Russiagate” hysteria. Now the Blinken admin (Biden is not in control, Blinken is, let’s be real) is sending massive military support (Not one but two aircraft carriers, that is not an empty gesture, that is a real military deployment) and enabling Israel to get away with things that would have been seen as over the line in the past.
The question is now, with the US in terminal decline but still by far the most powerful military in the world and with a rare opening (Along with Netanyahu having a strong incentive personally) will the neocons consider this a now or never opportunity (Particularly with Russia still tied down in Ukraine) to take on Syria and even Iran. Consider the neocons worldview (Again, they’re just American Zionists) they consider Israel, as an explicit Jewish state as an existential issue, the ending of this would be the same as the end of the world as far as they care. The same goes for the Israelis. (And Netanyahu is going to jail or at least will have his political career ended unless he finesses this into an epic victory over Syria and Iran, bombing the hell out of Gaza isn’t going to do it, he needs to turn this into a regional war and win.)
The neocons only care about the state of the United States insofar as it concerns it’s ability to help Israel and smite it’s enemies for it. So that this regional war would likely be bad for the US is of no concern to them. For the Israelis this might be the best or even last chance to drag the US into fighting Syria or even Iran for them. And even better, the way to trigger the war and get Syria to attack it is also the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Two birds, one stone.
Now the US is continuing to send more missile defense stuff to Israel which means one thing, they anticipate that at least Hezbollah will start a barrage, and Hezbollah won’t start a barrage unless Israel invades Gaza. (The devastation in Lebanon is already too great) Therefore the US and Israel know and approve of a plan to invade Gaza and it hasn’t been called off. There is also nothing in the more nuanced US language of late that indicates any pushback or change of plan. The US seems to just want to pull out US passport holders because they know what’s coming is going to be horrific. Remember, the second carrier isn’t in position yet, there is no need to rush before it’s there to take action when the regional war starts and the slower this all moves the easier to boil the frog and take this at your pace.
As I said before for the neocons and Israelis the end of Israel as Jewish state is already the end of the world. When you have a deflating currency (US military and political hegemony) you spend it.

Posted by: Altai | Oct 23 2023 18:27 utc | 224

Nature does abhor a vacuum. The question of multi-polar or new leader would likely follow the same adage. It will depend on the relative strengths of the players. If there are enough strong players at peer level, then multi-polar is likely, for as long as they remain peer level. If one emerges above the others, well, that is a strong likelihood of new boss (hopefully better than the old boss).
The coupling of China and other countries’ with the US is both the ZOG’s advantage and disadvantage. Does make for ZOG economy to be quite fragile. But as stated above, it also makes those countries tied to the ZOG’s fate. China has been maneuvering for a while now to lessen that impact. Its best bet is an alternate currency that competes with, but does not replace (yet) the USD. That way it can slowly bleed off USD holdings without taking too much of a haircut as it switches over to New Currency.

Posted by: c matt | Oct 23 2023 18:29 utc | 225

Nature does abhor a vacuum. The question of multi-polar or new leader would likely follow the same adage. It will depend on the relative strengths of the players. If there are enough strong players at peer level, then multi-polar is likely, for as long as they remain peer level. If one emerges above the others, well, that is a strong likelihood of new boss (hopefully better than the old boss).
The coupling of China and other countries’ with the US is both the ZOG’s advantage and disadvantage. Does make for ZOG economy to be quite fragile. But as stated above, it also makes those countries tied to the ZOG’s fate. China has been maneuvering for a while now to lessen that impact. Its best bet is an alternate currency that competes with, but does not replace (yet) the USD. That way it can slowly bleed off USD holdings without taking too much of a haircut as it switches over to New Currency.

Posted by: c matt | Oct 23 2023 18:29 utc | 226

Boy, Yalta is what it is all about isn’t it?
Except now what we can hope for is an Anti-Yalta. An undoing of the race to world domination that possessed these three monsters in their murderous frenzy to scapegoat Germany.
Rereading both Sean McMeekin’s ‘Stalin’s War’ and currently Pat Buchanan’s ‘Hitler, Churchill, and the Unnecessary War,’ you can easily see just how terrible the allied arrangement was and what it led to post-Yalta.
As I have said and will continue to say, Russia is now playing the part of Hitler’s Germany in their challenge to the world system that liberalism in the west seems determined, but incapable of, to deliver. Like it or not ye olde leftists, you are now rooting for the same challenging power to western liberalism that good ol’ Adolf, in all his haphazard gusto, sought for Germany to be. But now, Russia, unlike Germany then, has its back to Siberia, a place of untold riches, where the former was surrounded on all sides and had to import somewhere around 30% of its food.
Of all international leaders, only Putin and Putin alone seems the most philosophical in his approach and that is in a western sense.
The Chinese and Indians seem intent on cultural tradition and heritage, and within this they will remain eastern and natural in their outlook. Inward-looking is how neocons describe it and as a perjorative.
Russia is making it so the west can be the west again in a philosophical sense. Or at least it is a start.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 227

Boy, Yalta is what it is all about isn’t it?
Except now what we can hope for is an Anti-Yalta. An undoing of the race to world domination that possessed these three monsters in their murderous frenzy to scapegoat Germany.
Rereading both Sean McMeekin’s ‘Stalin’s War’ and currently Pat Buchanan’s ‘Hitler, Churchill, and the Unnecessary War,’ you can easily see just how terrible the allied arrangement was and what it led to post-Yalta.
As I have said and will continue to say, Russia is now playing the part of Hitler’s Germany in their challenge to the world system that liberalism in the west seems determined, but incapable of, to deliver. Like it or not ye olde leftists, you are now rooting for the same challenging power to western liberalism that good ol’ Adolf, in all his haphazard gusto, sought for Germany to be. But now, Russia, unlike Germany then, has its back to Siberia, a place of untold riches, where the former was surrounded on all sides and had to import somewhere around 30% of its food.
Of all international leaders, only Putin and Putin alone seems the most philosophical in his approach and that is in a western sense.
The Chinese and Indians seem intent on cultural tradition and heritage, and within this they will remain eastern and natural in their outlook. Inward-looking is how neocons describe it and as a perjorative.
Russia is making it so the west can be the west again in a philosophical sense. Or at least it is a start.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 228

“… human nature includes greed, jealousy, exploitation, self-interest, etc.” LoveDonbass@17:26 utc
You can’t separate the behavioural traits that people inherit from those that they learn.
It seems much more likely that people learn-from others, from responses to shortages, poverty, insecurity etc- greed, jealousy, exploitation etc than that, by some miracle involving their parents’ sperm and ovaries, these behaviours are inherited.
In other words: what you call human nature is largely behaviour taught humans by necessity, example or other identifiable factors.
Once you have decided that “human nature” is unchangeable you have resigned yourself to-something that history has never seen- a society in which real change is impossible. Which is why reactionaries, for centuries, have preached that human beings have built in behaviours and that there can be no escape from the appetites inherited.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 229

“… human nature includes greed, jealousy, exploitation, self-interest, etc.” LoveDonbass@17:26 utc
You can’t separate the behavioural traits that people inherit from those that they learn.
It seems much more likely that people learn-from others, from responses to shortages, poverty, insecurity etc- greed, jealousy, exploitation etc than that, by some miracle involving their parents’ sperm and ovaries, these behaviours are inherited.
In other words: what you call human nature is largely behaviour taught humans by necessity, example or other identifiable factors.
Once you have decided that “human nature” is unchangeable you have resigned yourself to-something that history has never seen- a society in which real change is impossible. Which is why reactionaries, for centuries, have preached that human beings have built in behaviours and that there can be no escape from the appetites inherited.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 230

Many forget that the current US administration has somewhat of a legitimacy issue. Biden and half of congress were elected through massive ballot harvesting and the BLM operation (which they now conveniently throw under the bus). They are therefore acting less in the democratic interests of the people but more in the interests of those that supported this (expensive) operation.
Even if we OK the ballot harvesting, the fact that many of the Biden voters would have otherwise not voted (due to lack of motivation/conviction or inability to form consequent opinions because they are e.g. on drugs promised a covid handout) casts a shadow on the administration.
It is therefore not quite correct to assign rational actor properties to them. Or put in a different way, they can go against public opinion and public interest for longer and deeper than with a “normal” administration.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 18:38 utc | 231

Many forget that the current US administration has somewhat of a legitimacy issue. Biden and half of congress were elected through massive ballot harvesting and the BLM operation (which they now conveniently throw under the bus). They are therefore acting less in the democratic interests of the people but more in the interests of those that supported this (expensive) operation.
Even if we OK the ballot harvesting, the fact that many of the Biden voters would have otherwise not voted (due to lack of motivation/conviction or inability to form consequent opinions because they are e.g. on drugs promised a covid handout) casts a shadow on the administration.
It is therefore not quite correct to assign rational actor properties to them. Or put in a different way, they can go against public opinion and public interest for longer and deeper than with a “normal” administration.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 18:38 utc | 232

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 18:21 utc | 110
What does collaboration VS competition have anything in common with handsome men/women? 🤔

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 18:40 utc | 233

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 18:21 utc | 110
What does collaboration VS competition have anything in common with handsome men/women? 🤔

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 18:40 utc | 234

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:53 utc | 52:

So far, Russia’s and China’s silence in practice is deafening. Nuff Sed.

You seem to keep up with such geopolitical intricacies, Mr. Sed, so could you please point me to find where Iran or the Arab states has beeped into any microphones about the western lies on Tibet/Xinjiang/SCS, or about Nazis killing Russians in Donbass/Mariupol/Odessa?
By the way, while I don’t read Russian press, I do Chinese media. Front pages in China are full of the atrocities happening in Gaza and the fingers are pointed straight at Israelis.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2023 18:40 utc | 235

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:53 utc | 52:

So far, Russia’s and China’s silence in practice is deafening. Nuff Sed.

You seem to keep up with such geopolitical intricacies, Mr. Sed, so could you please point me to find where Iran or the Arab states has beeped into any microphones about the western lies on Tibet/Xinjiang/SCS, or about Nazis killing Russians in Donbass/Mariupol/Odessa?
By the way, while I don’t read Russian press, I do Chinese media. Front pages in China are full of the atrocities happening in Gaza and the fingers are pointed straight at Israelis.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2023 18:40 utc | 236

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 115
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Not unchangeable. Perhaps you’re familiar with the concept of fitrah?
I do believe nature triumphs over nurture. How else to explain common behaviors and preferences across thousands of years and across oceans among peoples who never met one another, let alone had a common language to communicate in?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 18:42 utc | 237

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 115
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Not unchangeable. Perhaps you’re familiar with the concept of fitrah?
I do believe nature triumphs over nurture. How else to explain common behaviors and preferences across thousands of years and across oceans among peoples who never met one another, let alone had a common language to communicate in?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 18:42 utc | 238

If BRICS, China and Russia are seeking a new world order, we should see an influence in what is happening these days in Palestine, which unlike Ukraine, they are not first-parties to the conflict. I haven’t seen yet any influence for either China or Russia in it which means this new world order is still too far in the future. As a Palestinian, I can tell I think Putin still have some delusions that he still can restore relationships with the West (Israel is a Western country and not part of his order). If they can’t do anything to enforce international law in the case of the obvious war crimes being committed in Gaza, he has no chance of changing the world order.

Posted by: Ali | Oct 23 2023 18:45 utc | 239

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 115
What you describe are I believe called social constructs.
Our resident critical (race) theorist, fnord I think, can tell us more about them. And some intersectionality too.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 18:45 utc | 240

If BRICS, China and Russia are seeking a new world order, we should see an influence in what is happening these days in Palestine, which unlike Ukraine, they are not first-parties to the conflict. I haven’t seen yet any influence for either China or Russia in it which means this new world order is still too far in the future. As a Palestinian, I can tell I think Putin still have some delusions that he still can restore relationships with the West (Israel is a Western country and not part of his order). If they can’t do anything to enforce international law in the case of the obvious war crimes being committed in Gaza, he has no chance of changing the world order.

Posted by: Ali | Oct 23 2023 18:45 utc | 241

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 115
What you describe are I believe called social constructs.
Our resident critical (race) theorist, fnord I think, can tell us more about them. And some intersectionality too.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 18:45 utc | 242

Americans are victims of their own myth-making. There never was a unipolar world after WWII. There was a bipolar world since the ’50s until the early ’90s, then a transitional phase, where we are now. The beginning of this transitional phase was marked by the pretentious (pretentious because the USA never had any chance) attempt by the USA to craft a unipolar world: that ridiculous attempt already failed. Now we are heading toward the unknown. It could be that this is not a transitional phase, but the new normal: a new normal of chaos, wars and international instability.

Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 243

Americans are victims of their own myth-making. There never was a unipolar world after WWII. There was a bipolar world since the ’50s until the early ’90s, then a transitional phase, where we are now. The beginning of this transitional phase was marked by the pretentious (pretentious because the USA never had any chance) attempt by the USA to craft a unipolar world: that ridiculous attempt already failed. Now we are heading toward the unknown. It could be that this is not a transitional phase, but the new normal: a new normal of chaos, wars and international instability.

Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 244

@Mario. #64:
Japan has been the largest holder of US Treasury Bonds since 2008! The gap between Japan and China in T-Bill ownership has been widening since then.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 245

@Mario. #64:
Japan has been the largest holder of US Treasury Bonds since 2008! The gap between Japan and China in T-Bill ownership has been widening since then.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 246

Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 122
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Agreed. Instability has been the norm, not stability. The idea of instability (uncertainty) is useful to exploit for “security” purposes, and all of the necessary spending/power.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 18:54 utc | 247

Posted by: SG | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 122
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Agreed. Instability has been the norm, not stability. The idea of instability (uncertainty) is useful to exploit for “security” purposes, and all of the necessary spending/power.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 18:54 utc | 248

The US has been screwing over the Filipinos since 1898. I was a US sailor in the Philippines in 1972, when a coup d’etat installed a dictatorship. We US military men didn’t defend democracy for a second!
Fighting with their big neighbor China because Uncle Sam says so isn’t likely to improve Philippine life, either. If they made friends with their big prosperous neighbor, maybe the Philippines could prosper too.

Posted by: lester | Oct 23 2023 18:58 utc | 249

The US has been screwing over the Filipinos since 1898. I was a US sailor in the Philippines in 1972, when a coup d’etat installed a dictatorship. We US military men didn’t defend democracy for a second!
Fighting with their big neighbor China because Uncle Sam says so isn’t likely to improve Philippine life, either. If they made friends with their big prosperous neighbor, maybe the Philippines could prosper too.

Posted by: lester | Oct 23 2023 18:58 utc | 250

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 123
AFAIK japan surpassed China in 2019.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 18:59 utc | 251

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Oct 23 2023 18:49 utc | 123
AFAIK japan surpassed China in 2019.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 18:59 utc | 252

The US requires unconditional defeat before it can become part of an integrated world system of equals.

Posted by: Wilikins | Oct 23 2023 19:00 utc | 253

The US requires unconditional defeat before it can become part of an integrated world system of equals.

Posted by: Wilikins | Oct 23 2023 19:00 utc | 254

The world is emerging as two blocs based on gdp and military power.
1. US and other first world countries (with exceptions of Singapore and South Korea)
2. China and Russia
For reference GDP nominal basis in 2022, here is the top 10:
United States 2022 25,462,700.00
China 2022 17,963,170.52
Japan 2022 4,231,141.20
Germany 2022 4,072,191.74
India 2022 3,385,089.88
United Kingdom 2022 3,070,667.73
France 2022 2,782,905.33
Russian Federation 2022 2,240,422.44
Canada 2022 2,139,840.02
Italy 2022 2,010,431.60

Posted by: blot | Oct 23 2023 19:01 utc | 255

The world is emerging as two blocs based on gdp and military power.
1. US and other first world countries (with exceptions of Singapore and South Korea)
2. China and Russia
For reference GDP nominal basis in 2022, here is the top 10:
United States 2022 25,462,700.00
China 2022 17,963,170.52
Japan 2022 4,231,141.20
Germany 2022 4,072,191.74
India 2022 3,385,089.88
United Kingdom 2022 3,070,667.73
France 2022 2,782,905.33
Russian Federation 2022 2,240,422.44
Canada 2022 2,139,840.02
Italy 2022 2,010,431.60

Posted by: blot | Oct 23 2023 19:01 utc | 256

Playing devil’s advocate here, but assuming 9/11 wasn’t what we’re told it was, maybe a similar dynamic is playing out in the present Israel/Gaza ‘crisis’ and just possibly Israel and US are bird’s of a feather that complicity know and support each other’s secrets and false reasons for casus belli.

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 23 2023 19:07 utc | 257

Playing devil’s advocate here, but assuming 9/11 wasn’t what we’re told it was, maybe a similar dynamic is playing out in the present Israel/Gaza ‘crisis’ and just possibly Israel and US are bird’s of a feather that complicity know and support each other’s secrets and false reasons for casus belli.

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 23 2023 19:07 utc | 258

What does collaboration VS competition have anything in common with handsome men/women? 🤔
Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 18:40 utc | 117
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Competition and collaboration aren’t opposites. China and Russia are in competition, and in collaboration too.
The reference to men and women was part of mocking the “eat the bugs” Utopian obsession with remaking the world, rather than accepting and adapting to it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 19:12 utc | 259

What does collaboration VS competition have anything in common with handsome men/women? 🤔
Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 18:40 utc | 117
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Competition and collaboration aren’t opposites. China and Russia are in competition, and in collaboration too.
The reference to men and women was part of mocking the “eat the bugs” Utopian obsession with remaking the world, rather than accepting and adapting to it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 19:12 utc | 260

blot | Oct 23 2023 19:01 utc | 128
Your list is quite meaningless. Manufacturing power, technology, primary produce which includes minerals and energy, debt. European pissants don’t even factor in.
The two world leaders are China and Russia. Just the Ukraine war…. Russia is nearly out of missiles, Russia is nearly out of ammunition, Russia is nearly out of armors vehicles.
It is now quite clear Russia has a manufacturing capability far beyond the entire west. Mil tech is far above the vaunted US UK wonder weapons.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 19:15 utc | 261

blot | Oct 23 2023 19:01 utc | 128
Your list is quite meaningless. Manufacturing power, technology, primary produce which includes minerals and energy, debt. European pissants don’t even factor in.
The two world leaders are China and Russia. Just the Ukraine war…. Russia is nearly out of missiles, Russia is nearly out of ammunition, Russia is nearly out of armors vehicles.
It is now quite clear Russia has a manufacturing capability far beyond the entire west. Mil tech is far above the vaunted US UK wonder weapons.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 19:15 utc | 262

War Criminal Biden said

We were in a post-war period for 50 years where it worked pretty damn well

Complete nonsense.
Most of Europe and the world were actually better of 120 years ago, before The Century of World War and US Hegemony was engineered and thrust upon us.
GONE are homogeneous and relatively peaceful and productive nations, replaced by a myriad of incessant “strategies of tension”.

Posted by: Anti-Bolshevik | Oct 23 2023 19:27 utc | 263

War Criminal Biden said

We were in a post-war period for 50 years where it worked pretty damn well

Complete nonsense.
Most of Europe and the world were actually better of 120 years ago, before The Century of World War and US Hegemony was engineered and thrust upon us.
GONE are homogeneous and relatively peaceful and productive nations, replaced by a myriad of incessant “strategies of tension”.

Posted by: Anti-Bolshevik | Oct 23 2023 19:27 utc | 264

When the penny drops will our civil war be worse than the Spanish Civil War ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 23 2023 19:32 utc | 265

When the penny drops will our civil war be worse than the Spanish Civil War ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 23 2023 19:32 utc | 266

Once you have decided that “human nature” is unchangeable you have resigned yourself to-something that history has never seen- a society in which real change is impossible. Which is why reactionaries, for centuries, have preached that human beings have built in behaviours and that there can be no escape from the appetites inherited.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 115
He is an admitted royalist…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 19:32 utc | 267

Once you have decided that “human nature” is unchangeable you have resigned yourself to-something that history has never seen- a society in which real change is impossible. Which is why reactionaries, for centuries, have preached that human beings have built in behaviours and that there can be no escape from the appetites inherited.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 115
He is an admitted royalist…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 19:32 utc | 268

The penny will really drop when the dollar stops being the world reserve currency. Literally.

Posted by: Noah Nehm | Oct 23 2023 19:34 utc | 269

The penny will really drop when the dollar stops being the world reserve currency. Literally.

Posted by: Noah Nehm | Oct 23 2023 19:34 utc | 270

Posted by: juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6
One of your best!

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 23 2023 19:36 utc | 271

Posted by: juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6
One of your best!

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 23 2023 19:36 utc | 272

When the penny drops will our civil war be worse than the Spanish Civil War ?
Posted by: Exile | Oct 23 2023 19:32 utc | 133
Well, the Stalinists deliberately undermined the Spanish Civil war. They’ve voluntarily excited the stage of history and the closest living species is the CCP which is not revolutionary at the moment, but would benefit most from the collapse of US imperialism, so they’d have no interest in undermining a civil war in the west.
Short answer, the chances are much better today, but the political foundations of the progressive side of the fight will be determinative.
But with a few firm principles the civil war will be a success. Some ideas: absolute opposition to all imperialist war, nationalization of the assets of Western oligarchs and finance capital and finally economic rights to supplement political rights in the new constitution.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 19:40 utc | 273

When the penny drops will our civil war be worse than the Spanish Civil War ?
Posted by: Exile | Oct 23 2023 19:32 utc | 133
Well, the Stalinists deliberately undermined the Spanish Civil war. They’ve voluntarily excited the stage of history and the closest living species is the CCP which is not revolutionary at the moment, but would benefit most from the collapse of US imperialism, so they’d have no interest in undermining a civil war in the west.
Short answer, the chances are much better today, but the political foundations of the progressive side of the fight will be determinative.
But with a few firm principles the civil war will be a success. Some ideas: absolute opposition to all imperialist war, nationalization of the assets of Western oligarchs and finance capital and finally economic rights to supplement political rights in the new constitution.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 19:40 utc | 274

The Philippines are a testament to the power of US propaganda. They are inundated with US busshit and busshit entertainment. Striving for dollars and materialism, they covet. They generally dislike China and other Asian peoples.
“The Company” got to Duterte and turned him from a guy promising to cut the graft, bribery and corruption connected to USA. Early, Duterte had stated if he needed money, he’d borrow it from China.
That was a surprising statement and I remember it well. It seems to have been buried.
Now they have their pure US puppet in Bong Bong, whom has put the P I on the hot seat with more US bases than ever.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 19:40 utc | 275

The Philippines are a testament to the power of US propaganda. They are inundated with US busshit and busshit entertainment. Striving for dollars and materialism, they covet. They generally dislike China and other Asian peoples.
“The Company” got to Duterte and turned him from a guy promising to cut the graft, bribery and corruption connected to USA. Early, Duterte had stated if he needed money, he’d borrow it from China.
That was a surprising statement and I remember it well. It seems to have been buried.
Now they have their pure US puppet in Bong Bong, whom has put the P I on the hot seat with more US bases than ever.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 19:40 utc | 276

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 19:12 utc | 130
Not shure where China and Russia are competing, while I ‘m Shure that West only understand competition.
Regarding men/women your statement about more or less handsomest is really hard to believe.
Phisical appearance is not something you can change, unless you go under ahestetic surgery, but you behavior is something you can choise/change.
If you go after a nagging Karen because she is hot, your choice and your problem.
Same goes for a male Karen.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 19:41 utc | 277

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 19:12 utc | 130
Not shure where China and Russia are competing, while I ‘m Shure that West only understand competition.
Regarding men/women your statement about more or less handsomest is really hard to believe.
Phisical appearance is not something you can change, unless you go under ahestetic surgery, but you behavior is something you can choise/change.
If you go after a nagging Karen because she is hot, your choice and your problem.
Same goes for a male Karen.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 19:41 utc | 278

He is an admitted royalist…
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 19:32 utc | 134
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Monarchist.
Royalist conflates my position with people currently in ceremonial monarchical positions.
Putin and Xi, not Prince Charles.
It’s that I believe that autocracy is the best form of government we’ve tried. One ultimate (and accountable) decision-maker rather than the illusion of rule by committee, parliament or congress.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 19:43 utc | 279

He is an admitted royalist…
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 19:32 utc | 134
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Monarchist.
Royalist conflates my position with people currently in ceremonial monarchical positions.
Putin and Xi, not Prince Charles.
It’s that I believe that autocracy is the best form of government we’ve tried. One ultimate (and accountable) decision-maker rather than the illusion of rule by committee, parliament or congress.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 19:43 utc | 280

PeterAU1 @ 109
Regarding your comment on watching youtube vidos.
Were all traumatised having witnessed the last 2 years.
I agree your remarks re americans being triggerd (my term not yours)
But theirs a better way.
And here it is.
My armchar therpy at the momment is watching a large serese of youtube vids….
Jake and nichole off grid. Lovely soothing music, brilliant scenery ect ect. niceish couple (bit iratating) but there attempt at livin away from the rat race. If only the yanks followed this phlosaphy.
I recomend to all for your inner well being.
Dont bother with the vids under 20 min. There ripoff click bate.
Thank me later

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 19:43 utc | 281

PeterAU1 @ 109
Regarding your comment on watching youtube vidos.
Were all traumatised having witnessed the last 2 years.
I agree your remarks re americans being triggerd (my term not yours)
But theirs a better way.
And here it is.
My armchar therpy at the momment is watching a large serese of youtube vids….
Jake and nichole off grid. Lovely soothing music, brilliant scenery ect ect. niceish couple (bit iratating) but there attempt at livin away from the rat race. If only the yanks followed this phlosaphy.
I recomend to all for your inner well being.
Dont bother with the vids under 20 min. There ripoff click bate.
Thank me later

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 19:43 utc | 282

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 115

Once you have decided that “human nature” is unchangeable you have resigned yourself to-something that history has never seen- a society in which real change is impossible.

Excellent observation, however I submit to you that no choice was carefully undertaken by most of the populace, rather they have succumbed to a relentless onslaught, both physically (poison food, water, “medicines”) primarily) and psychologically, so as to render their default position of universal compliance.

Posted by: Anti-Bolshevik | Oct 23 2023 19:43 utc | 283

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 18:31 utc | 115

Once you have decided that “human nature” is unchangeable you have resigned yourself to-something that history has never seen- a society in which real change is impossible.

Excellent observation, however I submit to you that no choice was carefully undertaken by most of the populace, rather they have succumbed to a relentless onslaught, both physically (poison food, water, “medicines”) primarily) and psychologically, so as to render their default position of universal compliance.

Posted by: Anti-Bolshevik | Oct 23 2023 19:43 utc | 284

Competition and collaboration aren’t opposites. China and Russia are in competition, and in collaboration too.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 19:12 utc | 130
True. Economic collaboration, geopolitical conflict. The latter has undermined and will destroy the former.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 19:44 utc | 285

Competition and collaboration aren’t opposites. China and Russia are in competition, and in collaboration too.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 19:12 utc | 130
True. Economic collaboration, geopolitical conflict. The latter has undermined and will destroy the former.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 19:44 utc | 286

@Christian J Chuba #19:

We stole $300B from Russia’s Central Bank because it was denominated in gold (held by the BoE), dollars, and Euros.

No. Almost all Russian gold was and is held in Central Bank vaults located in Russia.

Posted by: S | Oct 23 2023 19:49 utc | 287

@Christian J Chuba #19:

We stole $300B from Russia’s Central Bank because it was denominated in gold (held by the BoE), dollars, and Euros.

No. Almost all Russian gold was and is held in Central Bank vaults located in Russia.

Posted by: S | Oct 23 2023 19:49 utc | 288

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 23 2023 16:52 utc | 75
The penny dropped a long time ago in the halls of western power, don’t delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
The real penny dropping that’s happening in the west is not the inevitable multipolarity, but the realisation that the plebians will rise up and take away their power.

Possible, but far more likely that a hidden hand is going to engineer both the upheaval and the ‘taking away their power’ part so that they end up in charge of the whole enchilada. There will indeed be no more private property; there will be indeed be equality for the vast majority, along with virtual slavery. A small intensely powerful rulership class overseeing all is a small price to pay for such otherwise universal equality, no?

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 23 2023 19:51 utc | 289

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 23 2023 16:52 utc | 75
The penny dropped a long time ago in the halls of western power, don’t delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
The real penny dropping that’s happening in the west is not the inevitable multipolarity, but the realisation that the plebians will rise up and take away their power.

Possible, but far more likely that a hidden hand is going to engineer both the upheaval and the ‘taking away their power’ part so that they end up in charge of the whole enchilada. There will indeed be no more private property; there will be indeed be equality for the vast majority, along with virtual slavery. A small intensely powerful rulership class overseeing all is a small price to pay for such otherwise universal equality, no?

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 23 2023 19:51 utc | 290

But how does one get rid of toxic dollars?
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 23 2023 14:33 utc | 19
In the end, the only thing you can do with treasury bills is pay toxic debt in dollars.
Suppose you’re an African country. You could make a deal with China. China pays your ddbt with the IMF and the World Bank. Of course, you’ll have to offer them something in return.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 23 2023 19:51 utc | 291

But how does one get rid of toxic dollars?
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 23 2023 14:33 utc | 19
In the end, the only thing you can do with treasury bills is pay toxic debt in dollars.
Suppose you’re an African country. You could make a deal with China. China pays your ddbt with the IMF and the World Bank. Of course, you’ll have to offer them something in return.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 23 2023 19:51 utc | 292

Sarah Wagenknecht and several other members of the Linke Party have left to form a new party of their own. It will context elections in 2024.
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/german-left-wing-lawmaker-launch-new-party

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 19:53 utc | 293

Sarah Wagenknecht and several other members of the Linke Party have left to form a new party of their own. It will context elections in 2024.
https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/german-left-wing-lawmaker-launch-new-party

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 19:53 utc | 294

by Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 18:20 utc | 109
Some very good points.
Now push back is occurring in the form of blocking the US whichever war it turns for war.
The current policy of Russia, China and others simply by blocking is to allow the US to simply wither on the vine. Even doing that is walking the thin edge of a razor so has to be finely balanced.

True that, also to the point that the USA’s palette of diplomatic options is also limited by the facts on the ground and the feeble people in the US administration.
I spent some time watching youtube videos of small workshops around the world. Engineering, blacksmithing ect. The US was noticeable/notable in that nearly all American small workshops…
…are just that – a small workshops. Surely many good skills are there exercised, but “the other team” has a massive industrial output, state regulated, unlimited resources, including vast manpower in skilled manufacturing.
To rebuild the WWII level of the output is not possible for the US under current economic and banking system. Banks do not wave American flags.
Palestine has the very real potential to blow up into a much wider war in which many more are killed, possibly leading straight to global nuclear war.
That is the same ‘leitmotif’ from the Cold War, narrative that many believed in, but the issue is who is going to twist Israel’s ears (also those of the USA), to prevent that possible global conflict? Only smart careful diplomacy with the military power added to it.
Those who say Russia, China, the Arab world should be doing this, should be doing that – the armchair generals have zero understanding of the death and destruction their proposed actions would bring on the world.
Absolutely true, those mislead, spread rumors and in general obfuscate about 30% of what is known in general, whether is MSM or independent news tubers.
Indeed, the West+Israel is like having a spoiled child with AK-12 unlocked in a room full of people and threatening about. To tame it, one has to very carefully negotiate drawing its attention away from the gun on possible chocolate, sweets and cookies in the closed box.
Basically, Putin, Xi and Co. are hypnotizing the USA to a Schroeder effect.
That is a hard, but doable job.
Noise just doesn’t help there.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 19:55 utc | 295

by Peter AU1 | Oct 23 2023 18:20 utc | 109
Some very good points.
Now push back is occurring in the form of blocking the US whichever war it turns for war.
The current policy of Russia, China and others simply by blocking is to allow the US to simply wither on the vine. Even doing that is walking the thin edge of a razor so has to be finely balanced.

True that, also to the point that the USA’s palette of diplomatic options is also limited by the facts on the ground and the feeble people in the US administration.
I spent some time watching youtube videos of small workshops around the world. Engineering, blacksmithing ect. The US was noticeable/notable in that nearly all American small workshops…
…are just that – a small workshops. Surely many good skills are there exercised, but “the other team” has a massive industrial output, state regulated, unlimited resources, including vast manpower in skilled manufacturing.
To rebuild the WWII level of the output is not possible for the US under current economic and banking system. Banks do not wave American flags.
Palestine has the very real potential to blow up into a much wider war in which many more are killed, possibly leading straight to global nuclear war.
That is the same ‘leitmotif’ from the Cold War, narrative that many believed in, but the issue is who is going to twist Israel’s ears (also those of the USA), to prevent that possible global conflict? Only smart careful diplomacy with the military power added to it.
Those who say Russia, China, the Arab world should be doing this, should be doing that – the armchair generals have zero understanding of the death and destruction their proposed actions would bring on the world.
Absolutely true, those mislead, spread rumors and in general obfuscate about 30% of what is known in general, whether is MSM or independent news tubers.
Indeed, the West+Israel is like having a spoiled child with AK-12 unlocked in a room full of people and threatening about. To tame it, one has to very carefully negotiate drawing its attention away from the gun on possible chocolate, sweets and cookies in the closed box.
Basically, Putin, Xi and Co. are hypnotizing the USA to a Schroeder effect.
That is a hard, but doable job.
Noise just doesn’t help there.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 23 2023 19:55 utc | 296

Whatever is in future but it is certain that Russia will compromise and betray her allies immediately the anglos offer her some minor concession like lifting some sanctions. Lavrov, pesko and Putin are that desperate for a slight approval from their arch ene. Y england and its 5 evil anglo eyes. Look at important reaction of Putin to gaza hospital bombing.

Posted by: Sam | Oct 23 2023 19:56 utc | 297

Whatever is in future but it is certain that Russia will compromise and betray her allies immediately the anglos offer her some minor concession like lifting some sanctions. Lavrov, pesko and Putin are that desperate for a slight approval from their arch ene. Y england and its 5 evil anglo eyes. Look at important reaction of Putin to gaza hospital bombing.

Posted by: Sam | Oct 23 2023 19:56 utc | 298

@ blot | Oct 23 2023 19:01 utc | 128
read michael hudson.. he disputes those numbers on the basis of so much of it in the usa and west in particular is part of the fire sector – finance, insurance, and real estate… the gdp as a consequence is financial bullshit.. maybe you’d get something from this article…
Global Economic History in 2.5 Hours

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 20:13 utc | 299

@ blot | Oct 23 2023 19:01 utc | 128
read michael hudson.. he disputes those numbers on the basis of so much of it in the usa and west in particular is part of the fire sector – finance, insurance, and real estate… the gdp as a consequence is financial bullshit.. maybe you’d get something from this article…
Global Economic History in 2.5 Hours

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 20:13 utc | 300