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October 23, 2023
The Penny Drops – The World Is Multi-Polar

In 2007, during his famous speech in Munich, the Russian President Vladimir Putin pointed to the inevitable rise of a multipolar world.

He started out by defining the opposite state:

However, what is a unipolar world? However one might embellish this term, at the end of the day it refers to one type of situation, namely one centre of authority, one centre of force, one centre of decision-making.

It is world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.

The unilateral tendencies of the U.S. and the West in general were described as dead ends:

[W]hat is happening in today’s world – and we just started to discuss this – is a tentative to introduce precisely this concept into international affairs, the concept of a unipolar world.

And with which results?

Unilateral and frequently illegitimate actions have not resolved any problems. Moreover, they have caused new human tragedies and created new centres of tension.

We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?

He pointed to the inevitable changes in the world that were arising to counter this trend:

The combined GDP measured in purchasing power parity of countries such as India and China is already greater than that of the United States. And a similar calculation with the GDP of the BRIC countries – Brazil, Russia, India and China – surpasses the cumulative GDP of the EU. And according to experts this gap will only increase in the future.

There is no reason to doubt that the economic potential of the new centres of global economic growth will inevitably be converted into political influence and will strengthen multipolarity.

There it is, multipolarity, the 'bad word' that the U.S. did not dare to take serious. Putin was laughed at, and then condemned, for making those very clear predictions.

But today multipolarity has risen.

Today we live in multilateral world. We see Russia, China and many smaller countries united in their will to preserve their rights and security. The cold-war is gone. The somewhat unilateral decades which had followed it are now over. We are in need a new world order.

In the U.S. that penny has finally started to drop.

It has not yet reached the ground. We do not know on which side it will land.

Two days ago U.S. President Joe Biden spoke at a campaign even. Among lots of the usual blah-blah this paragraph stood out:

We were in a post-war period for 50 years where it worked pretty damn well, but that’s sort of run out of steam. Sort of run out of steam. It needs a new — a new world order in a sense, like that was a world order.

There it is -  one can see the penny, slipping out of his hand and falling down.

The time for the U.S. to preserve some of its influence in the rising new world order is short:

Look, we’re at an inflection point in history — literally an inflection point in history, and that is that decisions we make in the next four or five years are going to determine what the next four or five decades look like. And that’s — that’s a fact.

The Ukrainian news site Strana, which was first to point to Biden's acknowledgement of global change, describes the implications of that thought (machine translation):

It should be noted that the "damn good" post-war 50-year peace that Biden spoke about arose as a result of the most brutal war in the history of mankind. It also appeared due to the agreements of the USSR and the United States, which essentially divided the spheres of influence in Europe.

If we proceed from this historical context, then Biden, it turns out, offers either to win a military victory over the Russian Federation and China, with which the United States is currently at enmity, or to negotiate with them and arrange a "new Yalta" with the division of spheres of influence.

On which side will the penny land? The side of a new global war? Or on the side of new negotiations?

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We do not know.

Putin had predicted that the pursuit of unilateral power would automatically lead to the end its pursuer. As Biden acknowledges, the U.S., in its delusion, is ripping itself apart.

Prior to the campaign event Biden had given a public speech from the White House.

Adam Tooze reflects on it:

Biden:

American leadership is what holds the world together.

The President wasn’t just improvising. He has not done a lot of speeches from the Oval Office. A speech-writing team crafted that extraordinary line.

It reflects deeply held views on the part of Washington. Back in February 2021, the newly appointed Secretary of State Antony Blinken gave several speeches and interviews in which he repeated the line:

The world doesn’t organize itself. When we’re not engaged, when we don’t lead, then one of two things happens: either some other country tries to take our place, but probably not in a way that advances our interests and values, or no one does, and then you get chaos.

This idea, that there is a “place” in the world, which is that of “America as the organizer”, and that without America occupying that place and doing its job, the world will fall apart, or some other power will take America’s place as the organizer, is deep-seated in US policy circle.

As a metaphysical proposition it is silly and self-deluding. It is bizarre to imagine that the world needs America to “hold it together”. America itself is hardly in one piece.

He describes the negative global consequences of delusional U.S. thinking to then muse about the outcome:

What is the impact of a dysfunctional US political system, where the more reasonable wing of the ruling elite cling to ideas about America’s role that are systematically self-deluding. You could say that hypocrisy is normal. It is the besetting sin of liberalism. But in light of the scale of looming global problems and the shift in the balance of power that has already taken place, let alone that which may still to come, how long can this tension be maintained and what will be the price?

He seems to ask if the now falling penny will ever hit the ground:

The only thing that seems for sure is that we should avoid falling into the trap of what I’ve called fin-fiction or fin-fi, which assumes that because these tension seem unbearable they must therefore resolve in some logical way, for instance in the speculation over the end of dollar hegemony, or what appears be the Biden fantasy of a return to the normality of American leadership.

I am skeptical even of invoking terms like “interregnum”, signifying a temporary hiatus between orders of power.

What gives us confidence that our current situation is temporary and that some new order, like the old, will emerge?

Is that not another version of the kind of thinking that says the world “needs organizing” by a power sitting at the head of the table – in “America’s place”?

That question, to me, seems to miss what multilateralism really means. It does not mean unilateralism with a different country in the lead. It means a somewhat democratic UN system, with an expanded Security Council that includes the large population countries of each continent.

It means to follow international law.

Will the U.S. come back into that system? Or does it need a global war to decide the outcome?

Comments

Not to quibble, but I am going to quibble with B’s point:
I think that what Blinken was saying (pealing away the fancy words) was that if the US is not involved in the decision making process, then we will have no control of the outcome and the outcome may no be in our favor. It’s kind of an obvious point. But the obverse is not that if we are involved that we will get the outcome we prefer, with Blinken’s involvement it’s quite the reverse – We would be better-off if he did not show up for work he is an incompetent moron. Regardless, his observation which he finds so eloquent leads to the need for a fascist vigilance – we must control all outcomes to ensure that we protect our interests. Only bureaucrats are capable of such stupidity (Von Der Leyen).
But is argument is not (I think) with the rest of the world, so much. The greatest threat to the western preservers of (their) status is the rise of lassez faire mood – AKA populism and morality.

Posted by: jared | Oct 23 2023 15:49 utc | 101

Not to quibble, but I am going to quibble with B’s point:
I think that what Blinken was saying (pealing away the fancy words) was that if the US is not involved in the decision making process, then we will have no control of the outcome and the outcome may no be in our favor. It’s kind of an obvious point. But the obverse is not that if we are involved that we will get the outcome we prefer, with Blinken’s involvement it’s quite the reverse – We would be better-off if he did not show up for work he is an incompetent moron. Regardless, his observation which he finds so eloquent leads to the need for a fascist vigilance – we must control all outcomes to ensure that we protect our interests. Only bureaucrats are capable of such stupidity (Von Der Leyen).
But is argument is not (I think) with the rest of the world, so much. The greatest threat to the western preservers of (their) status is the rise of lassez faire mood – AKA populism and morality.

Posted by: jared | Oct 23 2023 15:49 utc | 102

Kspr the Friendly Ghost:
I refer you to my post @50, which was posted before I read your response. I am unmoved by your grey vs. black and white argument, as there has to be SOME evidence of a proposition in order to be able legitimately to posit it. So far, Russia’s and China’s silence in practice is deafening. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:53 utc | 103

Kspr the Friendly Ghost:
I refer you to my post @50, which was posted before I read your response. I am unmoved by your grey vs. black and white argument, as there has to be SOME evidence of a proposition in order to be able legitimately to posit it. So far, Russia’s and China’s silence in practice is deafening. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:53 utc | 104

Peskov has responded to Biden’s statement.
“Whatever new world order the US envisions, it means an American-centric world order. A world revolving around the US. This will not be anymore,” Peskov added.
https://www.rt.com/russia/585589-kremlin-biden-world-order/

Posted by: dh | Oct 23 2023 15:55 utc | 105

Peskov has responded to Biden’s statement.
“Whatever new world order the US envisions, it means an American-centric world order. A world revolving around the US. This will not be anymore,” Peskov added.
https://www.rt.com/russia/585589-kremlin-biden-world-order/

Posted by: dh | Oct 23 2023 15:55 utc | 106

Brzezinski quote from the 1970’s:
International banks and Multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.
(Blood sucking vampires want it all)
They want it all, and they’ll get it. – George Carlin

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 15:55 utc | 107

Brzezinski quote from the 1970’s:
International banks and Multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.
(Blood sucking vampires want it all)
They want it all, and they’ll get it. – George Carlin

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 15:55 utc | 108

@Christian J Chuba #19
Buying gold is one way, but it is not the only way. Using excess USD to build infrastructure like the Belt and Road initative in other countries produces productive (if it’s done right) capital investments that represent a win-win arrangement with those countries. Or investing in equipment and expertise to raise the technical level of your country (to the extent those things are not sanctioned to the point it is impossible).
There is an intense dislike of both the latter things by the US, for good reason.

Posted by: BillB | Oct 23 2023 15:57 utc | 109

@Christian J Chuba #19
Buying gold is one way, but it is not the only way. Using excess USD to build infrastructure like the Belt and Road initative in other countries produces productive (if it’s done right) capital investments that represent a win-win arrangement with those countries. Or investing in equipment and expertise to raise the technical level of your country (to the extent those things are not sanctioned to the point it is impossible).
There is an intense dislike of both the latter things by the US, for good reason.

Posted by: BillB | Oct 23 2023 15:57 utc | 110

Great post! This is exactly the sort of subject we all need to reflect on much more. We all need to understand that in the USA political ideas follow the application of power. The Washington gangsters only want power–in their own minds they justify that by saying to themselves (as Blinken clearly does) that US power based on Western values based in the 18th century Enlightenment is the only power that can provide a healthy future for us all. Eastern power can only be despotic by definition.
People often wonder why and how the Neoconservative movement captured the loyalty of almost the entire Washington foreign policy elite. The liberalism of 1932 to about 1992 had the drawback of not believing that the ends justify the means. Others known as “realists” believed in cooperation and diplomacy as a way to game the system in Washington’s favor–nudges here and there could have dramatic effects without the need of dramatic and wasteful threats and wars. These two groups dominated Washington’s foreign policy whereas conservatives, mainly in the military, wanted to bomb the hell out of anyone they could find.
Neoconservatives came up with an ideology that was more compelling than anything that preceded it. They took the idea that we should use our dominant military force to reshape the world after the fall of the USSR in our own image. We had, they argued, the only truly dynamic multi-cultural society that also had a coherent national culture. They also argued that without a common purpose, the country would devolve into competing sub-cultures, factions, localities, economic interests and, as they stated, hedonism and the moral corruption that would follow. They were right and they were wrong. They were absolutely correct that the US national culture would devolve but they were wrong in asserting that the common purpose of all Americans would be and could only be the ideological commitment to the use of force and only force to unify the world under the aegis of the new Western Roman Empire echoing the old conflict between Rome and Constantinople in which the East means Peking. It’s either us or them. In a confusing and rapidly changing cultural and technological world this simplistic view allowed the obsessive careerism of the Washington scene (I f-ing lived in it) to thrive and continue to blow up shit for the higher good. To put it another way, it is exactly what it appears to be, a blend of communism and fascism.
The US finance oligarchs, of course, loved this because it allowed them to take over control of the national scene through everything from woke-ism, BLM, and forms of medical fascism (the silencing of medical and research dissent from, e.g., policies that forced people to do whatever. The interesting thing for me is to see Europe to adopt the same ideology as the neocons in not only ruling circles but the intellectual culture that should have known better.
People require meaning to live a good life, as Victor Frankl pointed out long ago. The Neoconservative movement provided a simple ideology that had been latent in American culture at least since Wilson’s “making the world safe for democracy.” The difference today is that there are no limits to the neocon project. They will gladly, kill, torture, and risk blowing up the globe. Not because their ideology requires that but in the competitive careerist culture of Washington the degree to which you are ruthless is the degree to which you succeed.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 111

Great post! This is exactly the sort of subject we all need to reflect on much more. We all need to understand that in the USA political ideas follow the application of power. The Washington gangsters only want power–in their own minds they justify that by saying to themselves (as Blinken clearly does) that US power based on Western values based in the 18th century Enlightenment is the only power that can provide a healthy future for us all. Eastern power can only be despotic by definition.
People often wonder why and how the Neoconservative movement captured the loyalty of almost the entire Washington foreign policy elite. The liberalism of 1932 to about 1992 had the drawback of not believing that the ends justify the means. Others known as “realists” believed in cooperation and diplomacy as a way to game the system in Washington’s favor–nudges here and there could have dramatic effects without the need of dramatic and wasteful threats and wars. These two groups dominated Washington’s foreign policy whereas conservatives, mainly in the military, wanted to bomb the hell out of anyone they could find.
Neoconservatives came up with an ideology that was more compelling than anything that preceded it. They took the idea that we should use our dominant military force to reshape the world after the fall of the USSR in our own image. We had, they argued, the only truly dynamic multi-cultural society that also had a coherent national culture. They also argued that without a common purpose, the country would devolve into competing sub-cultures, factions, localities, economic interests and, as they stated, hedonism and the moral corruption that would follow. They were right and they were wrong. They were absolutely correct that the US national culture would devolve but they were wrong in asserting that the common purpose of all Americans would be and could only be the ideological commitment to the use of force and only force to unify the world under the aegis of the new Western Roman Empire echoing the old conflict between Rome and Constantinople in which the East means Peking. It’s either us or them. In a confusing and rapidly changing cultural and technological world this simplistic view allowed the obsessive careerism of the Washington scene (I f-ing lived in it) to thrive and continue to blow up shit for the higher good. To put it another way, it is exactly what it appears to be, a blend of communism and fascism.
The US finance oligarchs, of course, loved this because it allowed them to take over control of the national scene through everything from woke-ism, BLM, and forms of medical fascism (the silencing of medical and research dissent from, e.g., policies that forced people to do whatever. The interesting thing for me is to see Europe to adopt the same ideology as the neocons in not only ruling circles but the intellectual culture that should have known better.
People require meaning to live a good life, as Victor Frankl pointed out long ago. The Neoconservative movement provided a simple ideology that had been latent in American culture at least since Wilson’s “making the world safe for democracy.” The difference today is that there are no limits to the neocon project. They will gladly, kill, torture, and risk blowing up the globe. Not because their ideology requires that but in the competitive careerist culture of Washington the degree to which you are ruthless is the degree to which you succeed.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 112

Posted by: Ross | Oct 23 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Time for us Americans to communicate to our rulers that we want peace as much as the rest of the world.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 14:24 utc | 10
The problem, imperialism remains, because it is a function of capitalist class rule and the longing for monopoly to free capitalists from the disciplines of markets
The problem is not capitalism, but monopolism..without monopoly power in private hands there is a significant reduction in the need for aggression between nations. Monopolism results from privatization of the elements of capital [horizontal accumulation of wealth] and unconscionable stores of wealth results from allowing the parent to pass wealth vertically to siblings(vertical accumulation of wealth) ..
I propose that to reduce the capitalist class to the level of the working class it is necessary only to move the elements of capital into public ownership and to allocate the use of the elements of capital according to the numbers in the population.
What is needed is to remove private ownership of any and all elements of capital,but leave the contest for money (competition) in the hands of the capitalist.

Posted by: snake | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 113

Posted by: Ross | Oct 23 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Time for us Americans to communicate to our rulers that we want peace as much as the rest of the world.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 14:24 utc | 10
The problem, imperialism remains, because it is a function of capitalist class rule and the longing for monopoly to free capitalists from the disciplines of markets
The problem is not capitalism, but monopolism..without monopoly power in private hands there is a significant reduction in the need for aggression between nations. Monopolism results from privatization of the elements of capital [horizontal accumulation of wealth] and unconscionable stores of wealth results from allowing the parent to pass wealth vertically to siblings(vertical accumulation of wealth) ..
I propose that to reduce the capitalist class to the level of the working class it is necessary only to move the elements of capital into public ownership and to allocate the use of the elements of capital according to the numbers in the population.
What is needed is to remove private ownership of any and all elements of capital,but leave the contest for money (competition) in the hands of the capitalist.

Posted by: snake | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 114

31 . Philippines was slipping away from usa into China or more so it’s natural Asian orbit under Duterte. So cue the son of last super corrupt poodle and all is well. Gob smacking , and the nation grinds to halt as those USN bases and now expanding land forces is the only thing the ex Territory has of value . Trade and investment , who needs that,

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 23 2023 16:01 utc | 115

31 . Philippines was slipping away from usa into China or more so it’s natural Asian orbit under Duterte. So cue the son of last super corrupt poodle and all is well. Gob smacking , and the nation grinds to halt as those USN bases and now expanding land forces is the only thing the ex Territory has of value . Trade and investment , who needs that,

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 23 2023 16:01 utc | 116

Posted by: snake | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 57
What is needed is to remove private ownership of any and all elements of capital,but leave the contest for money (competition) in the hands of the capitalist.
It would be a nice change but but about as possible as me sprouting wings and flying to the Moon. Why? Because the consciousness of ordinary people is too low to grasp what you say and also, assuming such a notion were to enter the heads of many people, our collective ability to organize into loyal and powerful communities of interest is, every day, growing more remote. We have begun, at least in the USA, to lose the ability to creatively interact and cooperate into groups small and large unless there’s a way to make a lot of money doing that. Social media was supposed to help but it atrophies rather than aids us in organizing into committed communities. So the oligarchs will continue to rule us–the best we can do is influence them to act one way or the other.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 23 2023 16:05 utc | 117

Posted by: snake | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 57
What is needed is to remove private ownership of any and all elements of capital,but leave the contest for money (competition) in the hands of the capitalist.
It would be a nice change but but about as possible as me sprouting wings and flying to the Moon. Why? Because the consciousness of ordinary people is too low to grasp what you say and also, assuming such a notion were to enter the heads of many people, our collective ability to organize into loyal and powerful communities of interest is, every day, growing more remote. We have begun, at least in the USA, to lose the ability to creatively interact and cooperate into groups small and large unless there’s a way to make a lot of money doing that. Social media was supposed to help but it atrophies rather than aids us in organizing into committed communities. So the oligarchs will continue to rule us–the best we can do is influence them to act one way or the other.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 23 2023 16:05 utc | 118

All this talk doesn’t mean dick if it isn’t followed up by action, b. We’ll know we’re in a multipolar world when Russia, China, and Iran issue a joint statement declaring Israel a terrorist state, demand an immediate cease fire, a restoration of power and water to Gaza, guaranteed security for the Rafah crossing, etc. And to include the explicit threat that if these demands are not met within 24 hours, Israel’s power stations and water treatment plants and refineries will be taken out by Hezbollah. They can also give them 24 hours to vacate the north of Israel and go to the south if that isn’t enough. Nuff Sed.
Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:09 utc | 36
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You’re not talking about multipolarity. You’re talking about a new hegemon in the form of a bloc.
Red-faced threats and bluster are not progress.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:07 utc | 119

All this talk doesn’t mean dick if it isn’t followed up by action, b. We’ll know we’re in a multipolar world when Russia, China, and Iran issue a joint statement declaring Israel a terrorist state, demand an immediate cease fire, a restoration of power and water to Gaza, guaranteed security for the Rafah crossing, etc. And to include the explicit threat that if these demands are not met within 24 hours, Israel’s power stations and water treatment plants and refineries will be taken out by Hezbollah. They can also give them 24 hours to vacate the north of Israel and go to the south if that isn’t enough. Nuff Sed.
Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:09 utc | 36
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You’re not talking about multipolarity. You’re talking about a new hegemon in the form of a bloc.
Red-faced threats and bluster are not progress.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:07 utc | 120

Just elect Trump, he will fix everything.
Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 15:17 utc | 40
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When he inevitably fixes nothing, he will be sure to remind us that he did. Even for an American, his big talk and self-delusion are off of the charts.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:10 utc | 121

Just elect Trump, he will fix everything.
Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 15:17 utc | 40
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When he inevitably fixes nothing, he will be sure to remind us that he did. Even for an American, his big talk and self-delusion are off of the charts.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:10 utc | 122

The Empire of Lies is mired in endless and unpayable debt. It’s societies are fractured and fractious as peoples realize ‘democracy’ is a Big Lie. The people in charge belong to a cult/cabal of GREED. The entirety of the ‘west’ hangs by a thread of propaganda and threats.
The only question that remains is to what lengths will the tippy-top of the pyramid scheme go to maintain its delusions.
Thanks as always to b for this forum.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 123

The Empire of Lies is mired in endless and unpayable debt. It’s societies are fractured and fractious as peoples realize ‘democracy’ is a Big Lie. The people in charge belong to a cult/cabal of GREED. The entirety of the ‘west’ hangs by a thread of propaganda and threats.
The only question that remains is to what lengths will the tippy-top of the pyramid scheme go to maintain its delusions.
Thanks as always to b for this forum.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 124

Recently I read an American thinktank which recognised the shift in world power. Its advice was for the US to learn to be friendly to other nations, respect them and treat them decently in order that the US might continue to achieve what it wants.

Posted by: Valerie Swales | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 125

Recently I read an American thinktank which recognised the shift in world power. Its advice was for the US to learn to be friendly to other nations, respect them and treat them decently in order that the US might continue to achieve what it wants.

Posted by: Valerie Swales | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 126

Posted by: BillB | Oct 23 2023 15:57 utc | 55
Using usd to build infrastructures won’t work, it will only keep usd as the dominant currency.
Buying gold from us, and only us, could work.
Return useless green to us and use gold for investment in any other currency but usd.
Stop buying tbond will also work in a medium long term, not that this is already happening.
Japan has overseaded China as tbond buyer around the world.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 16:13 utc | 127

Posted by: BillB | Oct 23 2023 15:57 utc | 55
Using usd to build infrastructures won’t work, it will only keep usd as the dominant currency.
Buying gold from us, and only us, could work.
Return useless green to us and use gold for investment in any other currency but usd.
Stop buying tbond will also work in a medium long term, not that this is already happening.
Japan has overseaded China as tbond buyer around the world.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 16:13 utc | 128

I was all in with this Tooze fellow when, early on in his article, he said “As a metaphysical proposition it is silly and self-deluding. It is bizarre to imagine that the world needs America to “hold it together”
But as I read on, I began to suspect he would turn into somebody I could not agree with.
Sure enough, he morphed into another ordinary climate change nut case.
Still, I like some of the stuff he’s saying, so, put me in the category of a strange bedfellow.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Oct 23 2023 16:23 utc | 129

I was all in with this Tooze fellow when, early on in his article, he said “As a metaphysical proposition it is silly and self-deluding. It is bizarre to imagine that the world needs America to “hold it together”
But as I read on, I began to suspect he would turn into somebody I could not agree with.
Sure enough, he morphed into another ordinary climate change nut case.
Still, I like some of the stuff he’s saying, so, put me in the category of a strange bedfellow.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Oct 23 2023 16:23 utc | 130

great essay b…. your question at the end – i think the answer is the later.. we are seeing that in real time at present, sorry to say..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:25 utc | 131

great essay b…. your question at the end – i think the answer is the later.. we are seeing that in real time at present, sorry to say..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:25 utc | 132

Yalta was not implemented.
Truman lost the intent of Yalta, let Churchill renege on demilitarizing Germany and start a Cold War against Russia in the sterile object of Soviet dangers.
Europe was not to be armed!
Peace lost at Potsdam
Posted by: paddy | Oct 23 2023 14:30 utc | 17
I have to admit Paddy, you are right

Posted by: canuck | Oct 23 2023 16:26 utc | 133

Yalta was not implemented.
Truman lost the intent of Yalta, let Churchill renege on demilitarizing Germany and start a Cold War against Russia in the sterile object of Soviet dangers.
Europe was not to be armed!
Peace lost at Potsdam
Posted by: paddy | Oct 23 2023 14:30 utc | 17
I have to admit Paddy, you are right

Posted by: canuck | Oct 23 2023 16:26 utc | 134

Historically that’s not how empires were ended they fight to their end, as evident ever since WWII starting the Korean War US is been in process of doing just that. Thankfully as again is evident we are near the end this current war of Gaza is example not only militarily but also control of information and sentiment.

Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 23 2023 16:30 utc | 135

Historically that’s not how empires were ended they fight to their end, as evident ever since WWII starting the Korean War US is been in process of doing just that. Thankfully as again is evident we are near the end this current war of Gaza is example not only militarily but also control of information and sentiment.

Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 23 2023 16:30 utc | 136

The fundamental problem is that the United States is desperately short of statesmen, and seasoned political leaders. In fact, most of capitol hill are embarrassments – and would not be able to stand head to head with their counterparts in other nations. Many have very limited global or foreign travel experience. Almost none speak a second language. Beyond stereotypes, they also have very limited history or geography in their educational tool kits. Ask them to name the capital of Mongolia – they would have no idea. Or South Africa for that matter. I could go on and on. You can not lead if you don’t have leadership. This is the core reason why US leadership is such a failure. Nothing the US has touched has been better as a result of US involvement – Iraq, Afghanistan… tell me what we have added value to? And then (because of the ignorance and lack of depth) we end up depending on allies like the Brits or Israelis or worse foreign lobbyists like AIPAC etc. who consistently lead us up the proverbial garden path – to screw us – for their own benefit. Blaming the demise on Russia or China or BRICS is a big mistake. Men at times are masters of their fate (Shakespeare – Julius Caesar). This is the bed we made and we are sleeping in it. There needs to be a complete overhaul of government and governance in the U.S. No I am NOT talking about insurrection, but I am saying the system is broken. We do not right now have a speaker of the house … what does that tell anyone?

Posted by: Ayatoilet | Oct 23 2023 16:32 utc | 137

The fundamental problem is that the United States is desperately short of statesmen, and seasoned political leaders. In fact, most of capitol hill are embarrassments – and would not be able to stand head to head with their counterparts in other nations. Many have very limited global or foreign travel experience. Almost none speak a second language. Beyond stereotypes, they also have very limited history or geography in their educational tool kits. Ask them to name the capital of Mongolia – they would have no idea. Or South Africa for that matter. I could go on and on. You can not lead if you don’t have leadership. This is the core reason why US leadership is such a failure. Nothing the US has touched has been better as a result of US involvement – Iraq, Afghanistan… tell me what we have added value to? And then (because of the ignorance and lack of depth) we end up depending on allies like the Brits or Israelis or worse foreign lobbyists like AIPAC etc. who consistently lead us up the proverbial garden path – to screw us – for their own benefit. Blaming the demise on Russia or China or BRICS is a big mistake. Men at times are masters of their fate (Shakespeare – Julius Caesar). This is the bed we made and we are sleeping in it. There needs to be a complete overhaul of government and governance in the U.S. No I am NOT talking about insurrection, but I am saying the system is broken. We do not right now have a speaker of the house … what does that tell anyone?

Posted by: Ayatoilet | Oct 23 2023 16:32 utc | 138

Posted by: Valerie Swales | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 63
It won’t work.
USA and the rest of west, which I belong to, need to have cheaply access to resources that are mostly located in the, so called, global South.
In order to have this cheap access we need to have an imperial/colonialist posture so to force global South to give us the resources we need.
In a world of friendly west we will need to accept a lower living standard and, I guess, west governments will be grilled on that reality.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 16:36 utc | 139

Posted by: Valerie Swales | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 63
It won’t work.
USA and the rest of west, which I belong to, need to have cheaply access to resources that are mostly located in the, so called, global South.
In order to have this cheap access we need to have an imperial/colonialist posture so to force global South to give us the resources we need.
In a world of friendly west we will need to accept a lower living standard and, I guess, west governments will be grilled on that reality.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 16:36 utc | 140

@ jayc | Oct 23 2023 15:41 utc | 49
blinken quote you make and thanks for your posts here at moa..
“who have lost their lives in this conflict of Hamas’ making-” he lets that cat out of the bag with that statement that is an inverse reflection on israels and the usa’s too… no acknowledgement that we are witnessing what we see due israel or usa’s role in all of this.. instead, all the bad shit is on hamas… these folks are not very good liars.. oh well..
reading the comments backwards… see what else i find..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:38 utc | 141

@ jayc | Oct 23 2023 15:41 utc | 49
blinken quote you make and thanks for your posts here at moa..
“who have lost their lives in this conflict of Hamas’ making-” he lets that cat out of the bag with that statement that is an inverse reflection on israels and the usa’s too… no acknowledgement that we are witnessing what we see due israel or usa’s role in all of this.. instead, all the bad shit is on hamas… these folks are not very good liars.. oh well..
reading the comments backwards… see what else i find..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:38 utc | 142

Chris Cosmos 59
1/ One solution is to ban ownership private as well as public and to replace it by a finely tuned right of Usufruct.
“The usufruct is the right to enjoy a property without being the owner and on condition that it is preserved, that is to say maintained. It’s another person who has the bare-ownership good. In this case, we are talking about dismemberment of property rights.”
Mankind should acknowledge once and for all they have no right of ownership upon mother nature over the land or over the sky over the space.
Humans deserve a guaranteed right of usufruct based on respect and solidarity for everyone.
2/ Anonymous companies ought to be forbidden and replaced by associations of identified and responsable people formed in view of insuring shared prosperity under the rule of shared usufruct, i.e. consumation of commonly produced profit in solidarity implying respect of mother Nature.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 143

Chris Cosmos 59
1/ One solution is to ban ownership private as well as public and to replace it by a finely tuned right of Usufruct.
“The usufruct is the right to enjoy a property without being the owner and on condition that it is preserved, that is to say maintained. It’s another person who has the bare-ownership good. In this case, we are talking about dismemberment of property rights.”
Mankind should acknowledge once and for all they have no right of ownership upon mother nature over the land or over the sky over the space.
Humans deserve a guaranteed right of usufruct based on respect and solidarity for everyone.
2/ Anonymous companies ought to be forbidden and replaced by associations of identified and responsable people formed in view of insuring shared prosperity under the rule of shared usufruct, i.e. consumation of commonly produced profit in solidarity implying respect of mother Nature.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 144

“a flash is detected then the clock starts running … you have about 5 minutes to decide whether to start the launch sequence or risk losing your country.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 23 2023 14:55 utc | 28”
Indeed but if your country is targeted, it is lost anyway, launch sequence or not
the conflict in Ukraine has demonstrated that nuclear deterrence no longer works, on the contrary, Russia and NATO have been keen to show how much they no longer stop at that
if WE don’t act and mobilize for cease-fire, negociations and nuclear disarmament, future can be worrying

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 23 2023 16:46 utc | 145

“a flash is detected then the clock starts running … you have about 5 minutes to decide whether to start the launch sequence or risk losing your country.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 23 2023 14:55 utc | 28”
Indeed but if your country is targeted, it is lost anyway, launch sequence or not
the conflict in Ukraine has demonstrated that nuclear deterrence no longer works, on the contrary, Russia and NATO have been keen to show how much they no longer stop at that
if WE don’t act and mobilize for cease-fire, negociations and nuclear disarmament, future can be worrying

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 23 2023 16:46 utc | 146

Helmer has a new article up which seems very relevant and that I much agree with:
THE EXISTENTIAL TRAP – THE PENTAGON HAS JUST FALLEN INTO IT, AS BIDEN TRIES TO AVOID CARTER’S HOSTAGE RESCUE DISASTER

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2023 16:48 utc | 147

Helmer has a new article up which seems very relevant and that I much agree with:
THE EXISTENTIAL TRAP – THE PENTAGON HAS JUST FALLEN INTO IT, AS BIDEN TRIES TO AVOID CARTER’S HOSTAGE RESCUE DISASTER

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2023 16:48 utc | 148

The penny dropped a long time ago in the halls of western power, don’t delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
The real penny dropping that’s happening in the west is not the inevitable multipolarity, but the realisation that the plebians will rise up and take away their power.
War with Russia or China is not going to stop the plebian takeover and they know it.
Europeans, Canadians, Americans, they’re all waking up to the absolute rottenness of their society and their rulers. The scam is up, the anger is rising, violence is around the corner.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 23 2023 16:52 utc | 149

The penny dropped a long time ago in the halls of western power, don’t delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
The real penny dropping that’s happening in the west is not the inevitable multipolarity, but the realisation that the plebians will rise up and take away their power.
War with Russia or China is not going to stop the plebian takeover and they know it.
Europeans, Canadians, Americans, they’re all waking up to the absolute rottenness of their society and their rulers. The scam is up, the anger is rising, violence is around the corner.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 23 2023 16:52 utc | 150

10 years. Just 10 more years and then ‘they’ can rip everything to shreds, give it heck, nukes and all……..I will be gone by then or too tattered to notice.
On the flip side, we all might worry about the wrong evil – it could indeed be coming from the left field, just one corporation with the absolute power derived from a singular AI, and an entirely new over-lord ruling by bits and bytes.

Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 151

10 years. Just 10 more years and then ‘they’ can rip everything to shreds, give it heck, nukes and all……..I will be gone by then or too tattered to notice.
On the flip side, we all might worry about the wrong evil – it could indeed be coming from the left field, just one corporation with the absolute power derived from a singular AI, and an entirely new over-lord ruling by bits and bytes.

Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 152

Thank you, b for highlighting Putin’s 2007 speech. Putin is clearly the most important statesman of the 21st century and the main figure in the change to a multipolar world.
However, some of the commentators here, and perhaps Putin himself, are delusional if they believe that the vast differences in average living standards around the world are best explained as a legacy of colonialism. As an intelligence researcher, I have to tell you that international differences in cognitive ability may narrow to some extent, but they are not going to disappear. Moreover, even when many less developed countries have achieved independence, they have often instituted terribly dysfunctional economic policies.

Posted by: greg | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 153

LoveDonbass
Thanks for your response. What I’m saying is that talk of multipolarity is somewhat premature if the two largest “poles” don’t even call the war criminal ambassadors to account, let alone expel them. Ditto their hegemon enabler. Just trying to keep it real.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 154

Thank you, b for highlighting Putin’s 2007 speech. Putin is clearly the most important statesman of the 21st century and the main figure in the change to a multipolar world.
However, some of the commentators here, and perhaps Putin himself, are delusional if they believe that the vast differences in average living standards around the world are best explained as a legacy of colonialism. As an intelligence researcher, I have to tell you that international differences in cognitive ability may narrow to some extent, but they are not going to disappear. Moreover, even when many less developed countries have achieved independence, they have often instituted terribly dysfunctional economic policies.

Posted by: greg | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 155

LoveDonbass
Thanks for your response. What I’m saying is that talk of multipolarity is somewhat premature if the two largest “poles” don’t even call the war criminal ambassadors to account, let alone expel them. Ditto their hegemon enabler. Just trying to keep it real.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 156

The fundamental problem is that the United States is desperately short of statesmen, and seasoned political leaders.

This is the bed we made and we are sleeping in it. There needs to be a complete overhaul of government and governance in the U.S. No I am NOT talking about insurrection, but I am saying the system is broken. We do not right now have a speaker of the house … what does that tell anyone?
Posted by: Ayatoilet | Oct 23 2023 16:32 utc | 69
##############
Consider the issue is not statesmen, but rather human nature. Which societies are better constructed to protect people from human nature, at the citizen AND leadership level? Some of it is historical, some of it is legal, some of it is cultural values.
No Speaker is a feature, not a bug. The longer there is no Speaker, the fewer bills that can be passed, and less bad government is a net win for everyone (except the donors who have no one to bribe and control at the moment).
I don’t think any political system is broken. I think that Westerners believe that politics can solve everyone’s problems, and that is why the US has such an enormous debt. Money gets thrown at everything, whether it works or not because people are able to skim and collect a vigorish off of it. The incentive is not to solve a problem but to spend a lot of money on it repeatedly.
You don’t know how lucky America is to be in political chaos right now. That was one good thing about Trump is that he introduced a lot of chaos and uncertainty to a system that when working “properly” is a very efficient money-laundering scheme run by psychopaths.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:55 utc | 157

The fundamental problem is that the United States is desperately short of statesmen, and seasoned political leaders.

This is the bed we made and we are sleeping in it. There needs to be a complete overhaul of government and governance in the U.S. No I am NOT talking about insurrection, but I am saying the system is broken. We do not right now have a speaker of the house … what does that tell anyone?
Posted by: Ayatoilet | Oct 23 2023 16:32 utc | 69
##############
Consider the issue is not statesmen, but rather human nature. Which societies are better constructed to protect people from human nature, at the citizen AND leadership level? Some of it is historical, some of it is legal, some of it is cultural values.
No Speaker is a feature, not a bug. The longer there is no Speaker, the fewer bills that can be passed, and less bad government is a net win for everyone (except the donors who have no one to bribe and control at the moment).
I don’t think any political system is broken. I think that Westerners believe that politics can solve everyone’s problems, and that is why the US has such an enormous debt. Money gets thrown at everything, whether it works or not because people are able to skim and collect a vigorish off of it. The incentive is not to solve a problem but to spend a lot of money on it repeatedly.
You don’t know how lucky America is to be in political chaos right now. That was one good thing about Trump is that he introduced a lot of chaos and uncertainty to a system that when working “properly” is a very efficient money-laundering scheme run by psychopaths.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:55 utc | 158

When he inevitably fixes nothing, he will be sure to remind us that he did. Even for an American, his big talk and self-delusion are off of the charts.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:10 utc | 61
When Trump ascends the throne, we shall all wake up in the most glorious day. People along the world will rejoice, flock the streets in celebration, chanting his name with hearths full of hope and love for their neighbor. For humanity will once again know a future as Satan will be gone.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 159

When he inevitably fixes nothing, he will be sure to remind us that he did. Even for an American, his big talk and self-delusion are off of the charts.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:10 utc | 61
When Trump ascends the throne, we shall all wake up in the most glorious day. People along the world will rejoice, flock the streets in celebration, chanting his name with hearths full of hope and love for their neighbor. For humanity will once again know a future as Satan will be gone.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 160

“Now is the time for sentence and punishment. For the west.
An eye for an eye.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 14:46 utc | 24”
And that is what drives their panic.
Me, I’m starting to learn a little Russian. Have 2 conversation books, a 10 lesson cd, a 3rd book on the way.
And daily practice my greeting for the day the Russians arrive:
Ya molilsya chtoby ty prishel

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 161

“Now is the time for sentence and punishment. For the west.
An eye for an eye.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 14:46 utc | 24”
And that is what drives their panic.
Me, I’m starting to learn a little Russian. Have 2 conversation books, a 10 lesson cd, a 3rd book on the way.
And daily practice my greeting for the day the Russians arrive:
Ya molilsya chtoby ty prishel

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 162

@ juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6
always inspirational.. thanks for that.. if the usa was led by people like you, it’d be a very different reality..
@ waynorinorway… thanks for pointing out migueljoses post.. i have watched some of it and will see if i can watch the rest.. good stuff..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:59 utc | 163

@ juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6
always inspirational.. thanks for that.. if the usa was led by people like you, it’d be a very different reality..
@ waynorinorway… thanks for pointing out migueljoses post.. i have watched some of it and will see if i can watch the rest.. good stuff..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:59 utc | 164

This can change overnight. Lavrov is here in Tehran as we speak… But so far, no one has done shit. No one has *said* shit. The least they could do is state, at the highest level, that what is taking place are massive war crimes that are on the brink of genocide, and that the war criminals, including people in the US administration and press corps, will be held to account. Hopefully some concrete action will come of the Lavrov visit. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 165

This can change overnight. Lavrov is here in Tehran as we speak… But so far, no one has done shit. No one has *said* shit. The least they could do is state, at the highest level, that what is taking place are massive war crimes that are on the brink of genocide, and that the war criminals, including people in the US administration and press corps, will be held to account. Hopefully some concrete action will come of the Lavrov visit. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 166

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72
Yeah that is pretty much what the corporate globalists want for you. “You shall own nothing and be happy”.
Uhm, no thanks. I will keep trying to live a good life for me, my family and the rest without bureocratic tyrrants. Believe me, we tried such hardcore socialism and it didnt exactly work out.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 167

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72
Yeah that is pretty much what the corporate globalists want for you. “You shall own nothing and be happy”.
Uhm, no thanks. I will keep trying to live a good life for me, my family and the rest without bureocratic tyrrants. Believe me, we tried such hardcore socialism and it didnt exactly work out.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 168

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 78
################
I get it. I understand the frustration absolutely. I have tried to avoid it because I don’t think men are able to hold men to account.
Rather than addressing past crimes, let’s hope to limit the opportunities for future ones. And that is what multi-polarity is. Diminished power by the hegemon across all domains. Fewer opportunities for malfeasance and exploitation. More eyes “minding the store”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:02 utc | 169

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 78
################
I get it. I understand the frustration absolutely. I have tried to avoid it because I don’t think men are able to hold men to account.
Rather than addressing past crimes, let’s hope to limit the opportunities for future ones. And that is what multi-polarity is. Diminished power by the hegemon across all domains. Fewer opportunities for malfeasance and exploitation. More eyes “minding the store”.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:02 utc | 170

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 80
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
Uneducated Trump is not a leader by any means. In fact, he may end up in jail after all.

Posted by: AI | Oct 23 2023 17:08 utc | 171

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 80
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
Uneducated Trump is not a leader by any means. In fact, he may end up in jail after all.

Posted by: AI | Oct 23 2023 17:08 utc | 172

The way I see things this is Ukraine 2.0. where Israel is simply another US proxy. The US is fooling everyone to believe that they are defending Israel. Their aim is to fight Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. However, they will never succeed. The need to admit defeat and walk away with their tail between their legs.

Posted by: AI | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 173

The way I see things this is Ukraine 2.0. where Israel is simply another US proxy. The US is fooling everyone to believe that they are defending Israel. Their aim is to fight Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. However, they will never succeed. The need to admit defeat and walk away with their tail between their legs.

Posted by: AI | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 174

A new world will arrive in a flash of light – that quickly.
An epiphany will dawn upon the consciousness of the world
and the evil that is Zionism and it’s allied nations of the imperialist Axis
will lay naked.
The monsters that have power in Israel have repeatedly threatened to use nukes
on Lebanon. Once they do the shock to the conscience of decent humanity will be so great that
humanity will transform and the hold that Zionism and it’s allied Axis have will dissipate.
Could the threat of nukes be made clearer?
Clear enough for Lebanon,
veiled enough so that the West’s politicians and news media
can “pull down the window shades” as demons walk freely amongst them.
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/lebanon/if-hezbollah-enters-the-war-it-will-be-making-the-mistake-of-its-life/2023/10/22/

“If Hezbollah decides to enter the war, it will long for the Second Lebanon War,” Netanyahu said during a meeting with IDF commandos on Israel’s northern border.
“It will be making the mistake of its life. We will strike it with a force that it cannot even imagine, that will be destructive for it and for the Lebanese state,” he said. “We are ready for any scenario.You are ready for any scenario,” he told the commandos.

And Netanyahu’s Defense Minister:

“The strength of the entire IDF…is at our disposal,” Gallant pointed out. “We are alert, and if Hezbollah wants to start a war, it should first look at the photographs of Gaza City.”
During a tour of the tense Mount Dov region this past August, where Hezbollah has repeatedly attacked IDF positions, Gallant repeated his warning that the IDF would destroy Lebanon if Hezbollah “makes a mistake” and chooses conflict with Israel.
In a video statement, Gallant warned Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah, “You have made mistakes in the past; you have paid very heavy prices. If … an escalation or conflict develops here, we will return Lebanon to the Stone Age. We will not hesitate to use all our power, and erode every inch of Hezbollah and Lebanon if we have to.

Posted by: librul | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 175

A new world will arrive in a flash of light – that quickly.
An epiphany will dawn upon the consciousness of the world
and the evil that is Zionism and it’s allied nations of the imperialist Axis
will lay naked.
The monsters that have power in Israel have repeatedly threatened to use nukes
on Lebanon. Once they do the shock to the conscience of decent humanity will be so great that
humanity will transform and the hold that Zionism and it’s allied Axis have will dissipate.
Could the threat of nukes be made clearer?
Clear enough for Lebanon,
veiled enough so that the West’s politicians and news media
can “pull down the window shades” as demons walk freely amongst them.
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/lebanon/if-hezbollah-enters-the-war-it-will-be-making-the-mistake-of-its-life/2023/10/22/

“If Hezbollah decides to enter the war, it will long for the Second Lebanon War,” Netanyahu said during a meeting with IDF commandos on Israel’s northern border.
“It will be making the mistake of its life. We will strike it with a force that it cannot even imagine, that will be destructive for it and for the Lebanese state,” he said. “We are ready for any scenario.You are ready for any scenario,” he told the commandos.

And Netanyahu’s Defense Minister:

“The strength of the entire IDF…is at our disposal,” Gallant pointed out. “We are alert, and if Hezbollah wants to start a war, it should first look at the photographs of Gaza City.”
During a tour of the tense Mount Dov region this past August, where Hezbollah has repeatedly attacked IDF positions, Gallant repeated his warning that the IDF would destroy Lebanon if Hezbollah “makes a mistake” and chooses conflict with Israel.
In a video statement, Gallant warned Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah, “You have made mistakes in the past; you have paid very heavy prices. If … an escalation or conflict develops here, we will return Lebanon to the Stone Age. We will not hesitate to use all our power, and erode every inch of Hezbollah and Lebanon if we have to.

Posted by: librul | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 176

Mary @ 81
Now thats a prudent move, thanks for the idea.
Any person truly loyal to britain or england should support Russia.
Our politians are the traitors, all partys.
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 17:17 utc | 177

Mary @ 81
Now thats a prudent move, thanks for the idea.
Any person truly loyal to britain or england should support Russia.
Our politians are the traitors, all partys.
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 17:17 utc | 178

The Dollar Drops
There is a danger that oil-producing muslim countries will stop accepting dollars as payment for oil.
If the war in Gaza escalates into a regional war, muslim countries, including even Saudi Arabia, will have to side with Palestine and Hamas. If this happens, it is possible that the US will start sanctioning them. In anticipation of such an eventuality, these countries will need to take pre-emptive actions, i.e. offload their dollar holdings.
If there is no ceasefire soon, the petrodollar may be gone. With it, the status of the dollar as the global reserve currency.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 23 2023 17:20 utc | 179

The Dollar Drops
There is a danger that oil-producing muslim countries will stop accepting dollars as payment for oil.
If the war in Gaza escalates into a regional war, muslim countries, including even Saudi Arabia, will have to side with Palestine and Hamas. If this happens, it is possible that the US will start sanctioning them. In anticipation of such an eventuality, these countries will need to take pre-emptive actions, i.e. offload their dollar holdings.
If there is no ceasefire soon, the petrodollar may be gone. With it, the status of the dollar as the global reserve currency.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 23 2023 17:20 utc | 180

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72
You mentioned two things that do not exist at a high enough level to support your theory. Respect. Maintenance. Not sure where you live, but in my locale 90% of the people here have no respect for anything and could not maintain a fish tank. So how does that work in your plan?

Posted by: CeaClearly | Oct 23 2023 17:23 utc | 181

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72
You mentioned two things that do not exist at a high enough level to support your theory. Respect. Maintenance. Not sure where you live, but in my locale 90% of the people here have no respect for anything and could not maintain a fish tank. So how does that work in your plan?

Posted by: CeaClearly | Oct 23 2023 17:23 utc | 182

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72
#################
You’re promoting a Utopia where humans ignore their nature with your property rebranding idea. Human nature is one of the few things we can rely upon. It’s resilient. As long as there are humans, there will be human nature. And human nature includes greed, jealousy, exploitation, self-interest, etc.
If you’re talking about the abolition of corporate charters I am 1,000% on board with that. Incorporation is one of the greatest mistakes humanity has made, IMO. Nothing is improved in any area by removing absolute accountability.
We might as well abolish intellectual property laws too, leveling the playing field for everyone when it comes to material creation and innovation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:26 utc | 183

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72
#################
You’re promoting a Utopia where humans ignore their nature with your property rebranding idea. Human nature is one of the few things we can rely upon. It’s resilient. As long as there are humans, there will be human nature. And human nature includes greed, jealousy, exploitation, self-interest, etc.
If you’re talking about the abolition of corporate charters I am 1,000% on board with that. Incorporation is one of the greatest mistakes humanity has made, IMO. Nothing is improved in any area by removing absolute accountability.
We might as well abolish intellectual property laws too, leveling the playing field for everyone when it comes to material creation and innovation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:26 utc | 184

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 84
That is keeping the world as it is?
And the money people owning you?
I am closer to them than you are, and could make it very decently but you arent likely to.
Usufruct is the way out … not socialism but local solidarity (local very much important so you got to know those you are solidary with).
Nothing anonymous.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 17:27 utc | 185

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 84
That is keeping the world as it is?
And the money people owning you?
I am closer to them than you are, and could make it very decently but you arent likely to.
Usufruct is the way out … not socialism but local solidarity (local very much important so you got to know those you are solidary with).
Nothing anonymous.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 17:27 utc | 186

A new world will arrive in a flash of light – that quickly.
An epiphany will dawn upon the consciousness of the world
and the evil that is Zionism and it’s allied nations of the imperialist Axis
will lay naked.
The monsters that have power in Israel have repeatedly threatened to use nukes
on Lebanon. Once they do the shock to the conscience of decent humanity will be so great that
humanity will transform and the hold that Zionism and it’s allied Axis have will dissipate.
Could the threat of nukes be made clearer?
Clear enough for Lebanon,
veiled enough so that the West’s politicians and news media
can “pull down the window shades” as demons walk freely amongst them.
Posted by: librul | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 88
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If Israel nukes anyone, they will be wiped off of the map for real. And I would expect an (undeserved) pogrom globally against Jews.
Threatening with nukes isn’t a power move. It is a desperate one. The Israeli leadership must be absolutely terrified right now.
And I believe that Russia and America have contingencies in place for a rogue state trying to start armageddon.
I don’t know that I am going to paradise, my life has been a mixed bag, but I am not scared of death. It was always on my schedule.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:31 utc | 187

A new world will arrive in a flash of light – that quickly.
An epiphany will dawn upon the consciousness of the world
and the evil that is Zionism and it’s allied nations of the imperialist Axis
will lay naked.
The monsters that have power in Israel have repeatedly threatened to use nukes
on Lebanon. Once they do the shock to the conscience of decent humanity will be so great that
humanity will transform and the hold that Zionism and it’s allied Axis have will dissipate.
Could the threat of nukes be made clearer?
Clear enough for Lebanon,
veiled enough so that the West’s politicians and news media
can “pull down the window shades” as demons walk freely amongst them.
Posted by: librul | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 88
#################
If Israel nukes anyone, they will be wiped off of the map for real. And I would expect an (undeserved) pogrom globally against Jews.
Threatening with nukes isn’t a power move. It is a desperate one. The Israeli leadership must be absolutely terrified right now.
And I believe that Russia and America have contingencies in place for a rogue state trying to start armageddon.
I don’t know that I am going to paradise, my life has been a mixed bag, but I am not scared of death. It was always on my schedule.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:31 utc | 188

Posted by: juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6
Thanks for the story Juliania! I appreciate your hopeful comments

Posted by: migueljose | Oct 23 2023 17:32 utc | 189

Posted by: juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6
Thanks for the story Juliania! I appreciate your hopeful comments

Posted by: migueljose | Oct 23 2023 17:32 utc | 190

Hamas Now Armed With Anti-Tank Weapons
Resources close to Hamas published footage of the next batch of weapons that the group received. As can be seen from the footage, Hamas is now armed with modern Western AT-4s and NLAWs. Re-export from Ukraine is gaining momentum.
https://t.me/intelslava/52602

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 23 2023 17:37 utc | 191

Hamas Now Armed With Anti-Tank Weapons
Resources close to Hamas published footage of the next batch of weapons that the group received. As can be seen from the footage, Hamas is now armed with modern Western AT-4s and NLAWs. Re-export from Ukraine is gaining momentum.
https://t.me/intelslava/52602

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 23 2023 17:37 utc | 192

When will the “Israelis” begin the Gaza ground invasion?
I’m thinking not any time this year.
Might be a mutinous event if it happens.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 17:39 utc | 193

When will the “Israelis” begin the Gaza ground invasion?
I’m thinking not any time this year.
Might be a mutinous event if it happens.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 17:39 utc | 194

96
No one could have imagined that Ukrainians would sell their US weapons. /S

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 17:42 utc | 195

96
No one could have imagined that Ukrainians would sell their US weapons. /S

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 17:42 utc | 196

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 14:46 utc | 24
my days of not considering you psychotic have come to an end. bye.

Posted by: frkorz | Oct 23 2023 17:43 utc | 197

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 14:46 utc | 24
my days of not considering you psychotic have come to an end. bye.

Posted by: frkorz | Oct 23 2023 17:43 utc | 198

“I don’t know that I am going to paradise, my life has been a mixed bag, but I am not scared of death. It was always on my schedule.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:31 utc | 94
Funny, it is on everyone’s schedule. It is our true equality, to Live requires you to Leave.
How people react to this truth is what differentiates us.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Oct 23 2023 17:44 utc | 199

“I don’t know that I am going to paradise, my life has been a mixed bag, but I am not scared of death. It was always on my schedule.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:31 utc | 94
Funny, it is on everyone’s schedule. It is our true equality, to Live requires you to Leave.
How people react to this truth is what differentiates us.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Oct 23 2023 17:44 utc | 200