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October 23, 2023

The Penny Drops - The World Is Multi-Polar

In 2007, during his famous speech in Munich, the Russian President Vladimir Putin pointed to the inevitable rise of a multipolar world.

He started out by defining the opposite state:

However, what is a unipolar world? However one might embellish this term, at the end of the day it refers to one type of situation, namely one centre of authority, one centre of force, one centre of decision-making.

It is world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.

The unilateral tendencies of the U.S. and the West in general were described as dead ends:

[W]hat is happening in today’s world – and we just started to discuss this – is a tentative to introduce precisely this concept into international affairs, the concept of a unipolar world.

And with which results?

Unilateral and frequently illegitimate actions have not resolved any problems. Moreover, they have caused new human tragedies and created new centres of tension.
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We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?

He pointed to the inevitable changes in the world that were arising to counter this trend:

The combined GDP measured in purchasing power parity of countries such as India and China is already greater than that of the United States. And a similar calculation with the GDP of the BRIC countries – Brazil, Russia, India and China – surpasses the cumulative GDP of the EU. And according to experts this gap will only increase in the future.

There is no reason to doubt that the economic potential of the new centres of global economic growth will inevitably be converted into political influence and will strengthen multipolarity.

There it is, multipolarity, the 'bad word' that the U.S. did not dare to take serious. Putin was laughed at, and then condemned, for making those very clear predictions.

But today multipolarity has risen.

Today we live in multilateral world. We see Russia, China and many smaller countries united in their will to preserve their rights and security. The cold-war is gone. The somewhat unilateral decades which had followed it are now over. We are in need a new world order.

In the U.S. that penny has finally started to drop.

It has not yet reached the ground. We do not know on which side it will land.

Two days ago U.S. President Joe Biden spoke at a campaign even. Among lots of the usual blah-blah this paragraph stood out:

We were in a post-war period for 50 years where it worked pretty damn well, but that’s sort of run out of steam. Sort of run out of steam. It needs a new — a new world order in a sense, like that was a world order.

There it is -  one can see the penny, slipping out of his hand and falling down.

The time for the U.S. to preserve some of its influence in the rising new world order is short:

Look, we’re at an inflection point in history — literally an inflection point in history, and that is that decisions we make in the next four or five years are going to determine what the next four or five decades look like. And that’s — that’s a fact.

The Ukrainian news site Strana, which was first to point to Biden's acknowledgement of global change, describes the implications of that thought (machine translation):

It should be noted that the "damn good" post-war 50-year peace that Biden spoke about arose as a result of the most brutal war in the history of mankind. It also appeared due to the agreements of the USSR and the United States, which essentially divided the spheres of influence in Europe.

If we proceed from this historical context, then Biden, it turns out, offers either to win a military victory over the Russian Federation and China, with which the United States is currently at enmity, or to negotiate with them and arrange a "new Yalta" with the division of spheres of influence.

On which side will the penny land? The side of a new global war? Or on the side of new negotiations?

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We do not know.

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Putin had predicted that the pursuit of unilateral power would automatically lead to the end its pursuer. As Biden acknowledges, the U.S., in its delusion, is ripping itself apart.

Prior to the campaign event Biden had given a public speech from the White House.

Adam Tooze reflects on it:

Biden:
American leadership is what holds the world together.

The President wasn’t just improvising. He has not done a lot of speeches from the Oval Office. A speech-writing team crafted that extraordinary line.

It reflects deeply held views on the part of Washington. Back in February 2021, the newly appointed Secretary of State Antony Blinken gave several speeches and interviews in which he repeated the line:

The world doesn’t organize itself. When we’re not engaged, when we don’t lead, then one of two things happens: either some other country tries to take our place, but probably not in a way that advances our interests and values, or no one does, and then you get chaos.

This idea, that there is a “place” in the world, which is that of “America as the organizer”, and that without America occupying that place and doing its job, the world will fall apart, or some other power will take America’s place as the organizer, is deep-seated in US policy circle.

As a metaphysical proposition it is silly and self-deluding. It is bizarre to imagine that the world needs America to “hold it together”. America itself is hardly in one piece.

He describes the negative global consequences of delusional U.S. thinking to then muse about the outcome:

What is the impact of a dysfunctional US political system, where the more reasonable wing of the ruling elite cling to ideas about America’s role that are systematically self-deluding. You could say that hypocrisy is normal. It is the besetting sin of liberalism. But in light of the scale of looming global problems and the shift in the balance of power that has already taken place, let alone that which may still to come, how long can this tension be maintained and what will be the price?

He seems to ask if the now falling penny will ever hit the ground:

The only thing that seems for sure is that we should avoid falling into the trap of what I’ve called fin-fiction or fin-fi, which assumes that because these tension seem unbearable they must therefore resolve in some logical way, for instance in the speculation over the end of dollar hegemony, or what appears be the Biden fantasy of a return to the normality of American leadership.

I am skeptical even of invoking terms like “interregnum”, signifying a temporary hiatus between orders of power.

What gives us confidence that our current situation is temporary and that some new order, like the old, will emerge?

Is that not another version of the kind of thinking that says the world “needs organizing” by a power sitting at the head of the table - in “America’s place”?

That question, to me, seems to miss what multilateralism really means. It does not mean unilateralism with a different country in the lead. It means a somewhat democratic UN system, with an expanded Security Council that includes the large population countries of each continent.

It means to follow international law.

Will the U.S. come back into that system? Or does it need a global war to decide the outcome?

Posted by b on October 23, 2023 at 13:57 UTC | Permalink

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US is not going to negotiate anything because it does not know how.

Nor should anyone negotiate with us. America simply scoffs at treaties, any fool enough to enter an agreement with US is a sucker who deserves what they get, and should expect to get it good and hard

Posted by: oldhippiewilsontaxi@ | Oct 23 2023 14:06 utc | 1

If the former Empires had Nuclear bombs or missiles, what would have happened?

Rome, Persia, Spain, Bizantine, Ottomans, Greeks, Brits, etc etc....

They would bomb their enemies if their power was in danger

Posted by: hugo | Oct 23 2023 14:15 utc | 2

I fear the US simply lacks the kind of faculties that it would take to accept anything other than imperial domination of the world. I find it extremely unlikely that it would let things go without trying to either use force to attempt to stop this process (it technically already is, in the Ukraine and Middle East) or just to say "if I can't have you, no-one can!" and burn the globe.

Which is not good news for anyone. We'd all have to fight in that war. But I simply see no other way the US might possibly behave, just going off its track record. And with the majority of Westerners being mentally disjointed sheep, they'll let it all happen and whoever might survive will then wonder about how could anyone possibly have let it happen.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Oct 23 2023 14:16 utc | 3

thank you b. My people learned that all treaties with the US were worthless. some were broken almost immediately, others when they learned we'd hidden their oil or gold or uranium on our land. and the american people are always good with this policy.

Posted by: Oso | Oct 23 2023 14:17 utc | 4

Its like a crackhead. Some days rare days he regains his lucidity temporarily. And says "this path is wrong. I must change. I will try"

And then next day is lost in a week long crack binge.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 5

I will tell a story:

During the onset of the covid years, I and many others went into isolation as my main attempt to fight the illness, and my youngest son moved in with me, bought an old car, fixed it up, and took me shopping with that. So, I stopped using public transportation with my trundler, and basically became a couch potato when I wasn't riding to the store for groceries.

Then, as the threat from the virus diminished, my son took himself back to his independent ways, and suddenly I was having to go back to mine -- it was hard! At first it seemed I would not be able to do it; the muscles no longer worked, my joints seemed to be falling apart; I had frequent cramps in my legs. But I had to do it, so I did.

Now, I feel like a new person, I really do. We can do more than we think we can. At first it is hard; at first it will be hard. But we can do it, we can rejoin the rest of the world. That's our project in the US for the forseeable future. It is very good to have such a challenge -- humbling, but good!

Thank you, b!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6

I fear that the American boss class will go down fighting, even as I hope not.

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 23 2023 14:20 utc | 7

thank you b. My people learned that all treaties with the US were worthless. some were broken almost immediately, others when they learned we'd hidden their oil or gold or uranium on our land. and the american people are always good with this policy.

Posted by: Oso | Oct 23 2023 14:17 utc | 4

According to Henry Kissinger, if the desire is to make a treaty that will hold up, then it has to work to the interests of all of the parties. Treaties of that sort do hold up. Otherwise, as asserted, they are often worth little more than the value of the paper upon which they are written.

Posted by: Jmaas | Oct 23 2023 14:22 utc | 8

Time for us Americans to communicate to our rulers that we want peace as much as the rest of the world.

Posted by: Ross | Oct 23 2023 14:23 utc | 9

I am all in favour of the move to multipolarity. But its success can only be relative: it will upset the current hegemonic Empire which is the direct descendant of the Iberian, Dutch and British empires. And that will be a liberating change.
The problem, however, of imperialism will remain, because it is a function of capitalist class rule and the longing for monopoly to free capitalists from the disciplines of markets, such as they are.
The global war that is needed is a class war between the many and the few: a revolution, of the sort that in both 1917 and 1949 there was a possibility of spreadsing. A possibility that was suppressed by Imperialism employed to protect the interests of the Capitalist few.

Which brings us back to "..the "damn good" post-war 50-year peace that Biden spoke about.." It was damn good at the centres of the (capitalist) world system but on the peripheries, where the fight for change was being waged by desperate people dealing with the daily reality of imperialism-the people of Indo China, Indonesia, the Middle East,colonised Africa and Latin America- it was fifty years in which unprecedented massacres, genocides and the systematic assassination of dissenters led to the deaths of tens of millions.
It's that "damn good" era that is, we hope, coming to an end.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 14:24 utc | 10

China is currently testing the US-Philippines Defense Pact by physically pushing Philippines ships around, regarding ownership of a shoal. What will the US do about it? Will we go to war for ownership of the Second Thomas Shoal?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 23 2023 14:26 utc | 11

It doesn't sound right, but as an American I think the best thing that could happen for *everyone* is the US losing a war it provoked completely and decisively. The saying goes that when you're in a hole the first thing you do is stop digging. The US never stops digging, ever, so Putin is doing everyone a favor by taking away the shovel.

Posted by: chunga | Oct 23 2023 14:26 utc | 12

If current trends continue without some global paroxysm which creates new unforeseen general chaos, then in the future V.Putin will be thought of as the wise man of the early 21st. century, for his clear eyed analysis of the international "quadrilateral equation". His 2007 speech, which I paid close attention to at the time, was a masterpiece of realism where he laid out the conditions of 2007 and where they led.

Posted by: A. Pols | Oct 23 2023 14:26 utc | 13

I think America needs a wake up call to acknowledge defeat. No need for wars just pure and simple diplomacy and courage.

Posted by: AI | Oct 23 2023 14:28 utc | 14

Christopher Nolan's film Tenet is ironic these days, since it's more likely that western oligarchs will bring about the world's destruction since they can't imagine the world going on without them.

Posted by: Chris N | Oct 23 2023 14:29 utc | 15

There once was a time when there was trouble in the middle east. America would send in the peacemakers. Now America sends deadly weapons of war. All the black eyed leadership in America talks is War, War, War for the last Three years. You never hear the word Peace come from their mouths. Those who call for peace are mocked.
There is a new world coming America. If you dont straighten up and walk the path of Peace and Multi Polarity.
You wont be in it.

Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 23 2023 14:30 utc | 16

Yalta was not implemented.

Truman lost the intent of Yalta, let Churchill renege on demilitarizing Germany and start a Cold War against Russia in the sterile object of Soviet dangers.

Europe was not to be armed!

Peace lost at Potsdam

Posted by: paddy | Oct 23 2023 14:30 utc | 17

what have we become
said the father to his son
we have failed to respond to
the battles they have won

we have turned our heads
in hopes they do not tread
on what little we have left
as we eat our daily bread

It is hard to comprehend
our willingness to bend
as we shamble toward the end
of all that was

Posted by: ld | Oct 23 2023 14:31 utc | 18

Our Secret Weapon, our massive trade deficit

Multi-polars have to overcome the fact that they rely on trade surpluses and are constantly being flooded with toxic U.S. dollars. The U.S. Treasury Dept then uses those dollars as leverage.
We stole $300B from Russia's Central Bank because it was denominated in gold (held by the BoE), dollars, and Euros.

Russia, China, and the Global South need a way to cleanse themselves of toxic dollars. Theft and the threat of theft is our power. That is how the U.S. forced S. Korea to stop trading w/Iran.

But how does one get rid of toxic dollars? The only way I can think of is to use the USD to purchase gold that is in the U.S. and insist on delivery (not a bank account controlled by us).

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 23 2023 14:33 utc | 19

One of your BEST yet.

Posted by: c | Oct 23 2023 14:34 utc | 20

There's no military solution to US decline. The outcome will be largely the same no matter on what side the penny lands, except where it directly concerns the US and its satraps. What's at stake for the US is the difference between time well spent and inanely squandered.

Posted by: Skiffer | Oct 23 2023 14:35 utc | 21

I can only imagine that the US will push back forcibly against the emerging multipolar organization. As Antony Blinken let slip in the quote above, "[W]hen we don’t lead, then...some other country tries to take our place...not in a way that advances our interests". I don't expect America's leaders to let the empire come apart without a struggle. Which is likely to be ugly. But I'm still hoping for the best.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Oct 23 2023 14:40 utc | 22

Decline is slow and painful but inevitable. In hindsight we can see how unjust the post Yalta world turned out but our concepts of fairness have taken time to mature. It becomes increasingly obvious that the US centric world order is exploitive and colonial but when we started, it was progressive and free. This is because of moving goalposts and because our leadership class is old and grasping for past glory. I'd say the biggest mistake has been to allow the uber-rich to push for an unsustainable financial world designed to ensconce their power. Our culture glorified greedy narcissists and now they are difficult to get rid of. They keep trying to "solve" problems they created with construction of solutions that preserve their influence.

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Oct 23 2023 14:42 utc | 23

The crimes been comitted.
The red lines have all been crossed.
The jury has passed a verdict of guilty.

Now is the time for sentence and punishment. For the west.

An eye for an eye.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 14:46 utc | 24

Thanks for the posting b

You wrote
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It means to follow international law.

Will the U.S. come back into that system?
"

I don't think the God Of Mammon cult in control of the US ever followed international law. And I don't think they believe that the world is going to multipolarity but will stay in unipolarity with a new top dog. That is where the biggest adjustment in the West is going to have to take place......learning to live by human merit instead of gaming whatever system is in place.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 23 2023 14:46 utc | 25

thank you b. My people learned that all treaties with the US were worthless. some were broken almost immediately, others when they learned we'd hidden their oil or gold or uranium on our land. and the american people are always good with this policy.

Posted by: Oso | Oct 23 2023 14:17 utc | 4

Chief Red Cloud: "They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they never kept but one; they promised to take our land, and they took it."

Posted by: Dequilo | Oct 23 2023 14:48 utc | 26

Nobody will ever trust the Imperialist States of Amerikastan to negotiate anything. Not even its own peaceful dissolution.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 23 2023 14:51 utc | 27

If the former Empires had Nuclear bombs or missiles, what would have happened?

Rome, Persia, Spain, Bizantine, Ottomans, Greeks, Brits, etc etc....

They would bomb their enemies if their power was in danger

Posted by: hugo | Oct 23 2023 14:15 utc | 2

I"m pretty sure they would think twice about if the use of such a bomb resulted in their own destruction by a similar weapon as is the case with nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons changes all the rules around military power and it's limits. Even if for example the USA used nuclear weapons against Pakistan which doesn't currently have the reach to retaliate in kind.

Such an attack would put Russian and Chinese nukes on a hair trigger because they don't know if the US intention is to simply harm Pakistan or if it's the opening salvo of a wider war in which they will also be attacked ... a flash is detected then the clock starts running ... you have about 5 minutes to decide whether to start the launch sequence or risk losing your country.


Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 23 2023 14:55 utc | 28

If the former Empires had Nuclear bombs or missiles, what would have happened?

They would bomb their enemies if their power was in danger

Posted by: hugo | Oct 23 2023 14:15 utc | 2

I'm afraid they did just that... I guess only china "remembers" (and the last cycles show it is not a vain pledge)

Never seek hegemony

Posted by: newbie | Oct 23 2023 14:56 utc | 29

This was Posted by: migueljose | Oct 23 2023 3:39 utc | 58 over on the Week in Review thread
and has received very little attention. I just watched the video which fits in well with the theme
of multipolarity. I too found it uplifting, something rare lately.

Vietnam's U.S. upgrade explained
This 22 minute video surprised me and gave me hope. It might do the same for you. very informative. concise history. She lays out Vietnam's foreign policy.

Vietnam has 4 categories it places countries in. The U.S. was just upgraded to category 2 which is shared by China, Russia, India and South Korea. Only 1 country is in the number 1 category--Laos-- and one other country is in a special "best friend" category-- Cuba.

The woman who explains all this confessed that she personally hates the U.S. because she lost family (ancestors) during the Vietnam war, along with virtually every Vietnamese citizen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ndytFy5-vc

Posted by: migueljose | Oct 23 2023 3:39 utc | 58

Big thanks migueljose! Hope all is well.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 23 2023 14:58 utc | 30

Something's going on in the South China Sea:


A little conveniently timed jostling between a Philippine and a Chinese vessels over a contested shoal has both parties red faced and spoiling for a fight, and Uncle Sam as usual want's to play both fight promoter and referee:

US renews warning it will defend Philippines after incidents with Chinese vessels in South China Sea


MANILA, Philippines (AP) — The United States renewed a warning Monday that it would defend the Philippines in case of an armed attack under a 1951 treaty, after Chinese ships blocked and collided with two Filipino vessels off a contested shoal in the South China Sea.

Philippine diplomats summoned a Chinese Embassy official in Manila on Monday for a strongly worded protest following Sunday’s collisions off Second Thomas Shoal. No injuries were reported but the encounters damaged a Philippine coast guard ship and a wooden-hulled supply boat operated by navy personnel, officials said.

Now I wonder who triggered this one and if it was intentionally timed at all.


Would the U.S send carriers over there in a hurry - or are they all stuck in the Med and the Persian Gulf covering for 'israel'?

Does the U.S have enough carriers to go scooting about the world's oceans from manufactured crisis to manufactured crisis?


Perhaps while we're watching Taiwan for the next war to breakout it's actually the Philippines that's looking for the title of "The Next Ukraine" ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2023 15:01 utc | 31

In light of the obsession with all the details and particular elements of this world historic shift, I'm glad you've given the Olympian perspective here. From this the lesser elements make better sense.

"That question, to me, seems to miss what multilateralism really means. It does not mean unilateralism with a different country in the lead.".

You're absolutely right. Tooze is very bright and has shown himself able to understand complex historical questions in his analysis of WW2. Nonetheless, he's an empire intellectual, so he deliberately won't understand multipolar. For him and the rest of the court jesters it's just two possibilities: a new good imperialist hegemony or a irretrievably bad chaos. This is how they'll sell nuclear war to Americans.

"Will the U.S. come back into that system? Or does it need a global war to decide the outcome?"

On this question one must go back to Lenin's short work on imperialism. It remains the definitive analysis of late stage Capitalism and the best predictor of how a collapsing imperialism will behave.

In short, it will seek to violently reorder the world to it's advantage until it is stopped by an alternative power emerging from its own country, aka a civil war or until it's crushed by an external rival which will then reorganize the world to it's interests.

The Biden view of the US winning a third world war is impossible and just translates into nuclear Holocaust.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 15:04 utc | 32

w/r/t hegemony and self organization in general. At various points in the self organization of life, human and otherwise, hierarchy shows up. And the hegemon of the moment goes through its phases of ascendancy and then decline and replacement. But ultimately, some entity generates or accumulates enough power to enforce compliance of others with whatever the organizing principles of the cycle are. Yes, we may be heading into a multi polar phase, and few alive now will see what comes next, but don't fool yourself that a new hegemon will not eventually arise. In the meanwhile, I recommend taking with a grain of salt those idealizing the so called "United Nations."

Posted by: anonymous | Oct 23 2023 15:05 utc | 33

It does not seem multipolar if the entire Muslim world can’t stand against Israel and the US. What we have is a clash of the titans, US vs Russia and China.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 23 2023 15:05 utc | 34

no Pym, you bought the lie then, you're eyes are open now. The US has always been a colonizer and never progressive or free. The Spanish American war was to "liberate" Cuban and the Philippines after Spain announced they were leaving those lands; Lend lease bought our way to colonial control in outside the Americas. Ike toppled dozens of gov'ts; Korea was colonialism, as was Vietnam. And, we've been colonizing the Americas since the Monroe doctrine.

Posted by: scottindallas | Oct 23 2023 15:08 utc | 35

All this talk doesn't mean dick if it isn't followed up by action, b. We'll know we're in a multipolar world when Russia, China, and Iran issue a joint statement declaring Israel a terrorist state, demand an immediate cease fire, a restoration of power and water to Gaza, guaranteed security for the Rafah crossing, etc. And to include the explicit threat that if these demands are not met within 24 hours, Israel's power stations and water treatment plants and refineries will be taken out by Hezbollah. They can also give them 24 hours to vacate the north of Israel and go to the south if that isn't enough. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:09 utc | 36

It does not seem multipolar if the entire Muslim world can’t stand against Israel and the US. What we have is a clash of the titans, US vs Russia and China.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Oct 23 2023 15:05 utc | 34

Give them time, they'll catch up, as Russia and China did.
And when they do, there'll be nothing left for the Anglo-Zionist Empire to do but go out with a bang
Or a whimper, either is fine.

Here, for a example, is progress: The Muslim world has at least learned that suicide drones work better than suicide people:

The Qassam Brigades says it has launched two 'suicide drone' attacks at Israeli army locations

Mechanise Your Martyrs.

That key lesson alone is the one that stands between an extinct native people and one that has a future.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 23 2023 15:12 utc | 37

The US constitution is not designed to deal with a US empire. Nations within our sphere of hegemony have no say in their own affairs other than unfair negotiations processes that are not binding on hegemonic power. Simply put US hegemonic power outside of the United States has no checks and balances originating from the people it serves in the imperial territories. Thus US hegemony it is corrupt in every way. Even the European Union gave up hope. Without a system of honest checks and balances that guarantees certain rights and justice US hegemony will face never ending uprising at some point, as it did in Afganistán.

Posted by: ATM | Oct 23 2023 15:13 utc | 38

thanks b. my biggest takeaway from Putin's speech is that the hegemon's pursuit of full spectrum dominance is destructive to itself.

this can be elaborated upon in many ways. such as how the military industrial congressional complex has distorted US domestic politics, gutted its foreign service talent such that it is incapable of real diplomacy, or even of understanding the world outside its disinformation bubble. such as how the role of world policeman comes home to roost, making the US the true police state. (having left the US several years now, it's amazing to realize how rarely I hear police sirens now or how I used to take for granted that xops are to be feared instead of seen as a source of safety and security.)

another implication of this insight about hegemony"s self destructiveness is that we can be sure that Xi,in his many consultations with Putin, probably sees it the same way. therefore contrary to US think tanks, china really is not interested in supplanting the US, to take over its role in the world. the pursuit and frantic maintenance of empire only precipitates its demise. seen from the long duree of Chinese civilization, this becomes even more clear.

what the Chinese government means when it speaks of the rejuvenation of china is development that is sustainable. sustainable in a time horizon that surpasses what any governance can tangibly plan for or project, far beyond the imminent generations to come. but certainly the foundation of sustainability is the minimization of war. under such conditions, cui bono? not any would-be hegemon but the Belt and Road. which ultimately is about connectivity, and is not strictly about china per se, but under such conditions national rejuvenation will follow.

Posted by: mastameta | Oct 23 2023 15:13 utc | 39

Just elect Trump, he will fix everything.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 15:17 utc | 40

It's so nice to wake up to a good comment thread...
Bevin - one of your best @ 10.
Julianna- way to go. Good advice @ 6.
All others - worthwhile thoughts.

Posted by: Paul Spencer | Oct 23 2023 15:18 utc | 41

Apropos the untrustworthiness of the Septic government, try this,

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

Speech by Palmerston in the House of Commons (1 March 1848)

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 23 2023 15:19 utc | 42

"The problem, however, of imperialism will remain, because it is a function of capitalist class rule and the longing for monopoly to free capitalists from the disciplines of markets, such as they are.
The global war that is needed is a class war between the many and the few: a revolution, of the sort that in both 1917 and 1949 there was a possibility of spreadsing. A possibility that was suppressed by Imperialism employed to protect the interests of the Capitalist few.

Which brings us back to "..the "damn good" post-war 50-year peace that Biden spoke about.." It was damn good at the centres of the (capitalist) world system but on the peripheries, where the fight for change was being waged by desperate people dealing with the daily reality of imperialism-the people of Indo China, Indonesia, the Middle East,colonised Africa and Latin America- it was fifty years in which unprecedented massacres, genocides and the systematic assassination of dissenters led to the deaths of tens of millions.
It's that "damn good" era that is, we hope, coming to an end."

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 14:24 utc | 10

Ameen. You naiked it Bevin. This latest post by b summarizes the myopic european-centered arrogance of the western liberals nostalgia for the "good old days of the 1945 to 1991 era". It was pne od the most brutal epoch for the majority of humanity, it was the third world war, against the globsl south, to crush any postcolonial (political, social, cultural, spiritual) aspiration and to capture more energy units (and the rest of the natural rent extracted via industrial ecocide) to the western capitalist centers.
That those "liberal" europeans want to restore this collective insanity is not surprising, but intellectually instructive regarding their delusional social constructs. They learned nothing and will learn nothing.

Posted by: Dialectical Arab | Oct 23 2023 15:20 utc | 43

b's penny analogy can be read as posing ever higher-intensity nuclear chicken on one side of the coin (say heads) versus global ceasefire and Yalta-style agreements, between big strong guys standing for big strong nations, on tails. Round and round and round it goes, and where it lands, nobody knows. Gentlemen, take your bets.

Interesting, but essentially cyclic, I think: subscribing to the subtle but pervasive fiction that history revolves in cycles, or rhymes, or occasionally attains anything vaguely comparable to physical equilibrium. Human history is encased in planetary history, where the physical realm tips into entropy, and the technological realm uncorks too many genies which can never be captured and stored. The only direction now is forward into the entirely unknown. There's no ring to grab, the next time around on the merry-go-round.

Maybe we'll consider striking this worn out stage, someday: the context of nation-states to represent and protect us. At this point, it does not appear likely to work out, whether the penny tells us heads or tails. How do you get great nations to negotiate themselves out of existence? That seems beyond impossible.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 23 2023 15:23 utc | 44

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:09 utc | 36

Didn't know you are the authority on the question "when is Multipolarity achieved".

I'd wager your conception is a bit overspecific though. Which makes you fit in just right with the typical western liberal. Everything is either black or white. Only capable of dealing in binary categories. Friend or foe? Nothing inbetween. Basically what Putin stated in 2007, thanks for acting as example i guess.

Now back to reality: the very fact that country 404 wasn't succesul of cleansing Donbas, the very fact that Israel has to resort to bombing and starving civillians is epitome to multipolariy.

Whether that fits your very specific and perosnal definition of the term or not does not matter.

Posted by: kspr | Oct 23 2023 15:31 utc | 45

If the former Empires had Nuclear bombs or missiles, what would have happened?

I agree Hugo. America is an Imperial power whose kingdom is the world. The point of American power and domination of the world is one capitalist economic system it heads, and the military means to enforce the obedience to that system. Power and domination don't negotiate, they use violence and other forms of coercion to instill obedience. America will fight wars as its doing in Ukraine and Gaza and Taiwan to keep ruling, military violence is the only tool America has to fight.

Posted by: Bakunin17 | Oct 23 2023 15:38 utc | 46

The problem, however, of imperialism will remain, because it is a function of capitalist class rule and the longing for monopoly to free capitalists from the disciplines of markets, such as they are.
The global war that is needed is a class war between the many and the few: a revolution, of the sort that in both 1917 and 1949 there was a possibility of spreadsing. A possibility that was suppressed by Imperialism employed to protect the interests of the Capitalist few.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 14:24 utc | 10

Yes, definitely true. Common sense says to understand the next war you must analyze carefully the last.

This is even more true with history. The last word in a civil war that managed to end an imperialist war is the Bolsheviks. Like it or not, that historical period must be studied by "the many" (working class) in the west or at least by their new leadership.

The Bolsheviks did just this with a critical analysis of the French revolution, 1848 and 1905.

History has restarted, but this time there is no margin for error. If someone could start an occupy wall street, then an anti war movement at this moment should not be so difficult.

That's clearly the first step in the process: a mass anti Imperialist war movement throughout the west. From this new political alternatives can then freely emerge and compete until we find the real revolutionaries.

Official politics in the US will offer no alternatives to WW3 and that includes Trump and Kennedy.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 23 2023 15:40 utc | 47

Add to the picture that since a couple of years EU countries include the profits of drug trafficking (all kinds) in their GDP figures to enhance them.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 23 2023 15:40 utc | 48

The U.S.appears divided between a hawkish administration and more cautious officials within State and Defence Dept.

Blinken had his Madeline Albright moment yesterday, when asked about the high number of dead children in Gaza:

"when I hear the stories, when I see the pictures of young children, who have lost their lives in this conflict of Hamas' making- whoever they are, wherever they are, whether they're Palestinians, whether they're Israelis, whether they're- they're Jews or Muslims. It hits me, and I know it hits virtually everyone right in the heart. And that's why it's so important to do everything possible to protect them…(but) we have to remember. Israel has to do everything it can to make sure this doesn't happen again."

He emphasizes the point:

"Israel has both the the right and even the obligation, not only to defend itself, but to try to make sure that, to the best of its ability, this can't happen again."

The above could mean: dismantle Hamas. Or it could mean: expel the Palestinians. The expressed policy isn't clear. However, Blinken also suggests the U.S. is prepared for direct intervention regionally:

"we are concerned at the possibility of Iranian proxies, escalating their attacks against our own personnel, our own people. We're taking every measure to make sure that we can defend them and if necessary, respond decisively."

Meanwhile, U.S. "officials"on background claim that Israel has been asked to delay a ground offensive so the humanitarian crisis in Gaza can be addressed. However, Israeli Army radio, according to Middle East Eye, is saying the delay is only to ensure more U.S. troop deployments arrive in region.

Cease-fire or decisive attack? Not yet clear, but Biden administration appears committed to the latter.

Posted by: jayc | Oct 23 2023 15:41 utc | 49

The Russians, Chinese, and Arab states haven't even called the Israeli ambassadors in to have them explain why their country is commiting war crimes, let alone expelling them. Pitiful. If we can do it (here in Iran), they can do it too. What in Hell are they waiting for? We did it 43 years ago! Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:43 utc | 50

Not to quibble, but I am going to quibble with B's point:

I think that what Blinken was saying (pealing away the fancy words) was that if the US is not involved in the decision making process, then we will have no control of the outcome and the outcome may no be in our favor. It's kind of an obvious point. But the obverse is not that if we are involved that we will get the outcome we prefer, with Blinken's involvement it's quite the reverse - We would be better-off if he did not show up for work he is an incompetent moron. Regardless, his observation which he finds so eloquent leads to the need for a fascist vigilance - we must control all outcomes to ensure that we protect our interests. Only bureaucrats are capable of such stupidity (Von Der Leyen).

But is argument is not (I think) with the rest of the world, so much. The greatest threat to the western preservers of (their) status is the rise of lassez faire mood - AKA populism and morality.

Posted by: jared | Oct 23 2023 15:49 utc | 51

Kspr the Friendly Ghost:

I refer you to my post @50, which was posted before I read your response. I am unmoved by your grey vs. black and white argument, as there has to be SOME evidence of a proposition in order to be able legitimately to posit it. So far, Russia's and China's silence in practice is deafening. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:53 utc | 52

Peskov has responded to Biden's statement.

“Whatever new world order the US envisions, it means an American-centric world order. A world revolving around the US. This will not be anymore,” Peskov added.

https://www.rt.com/russia/585589-kremlin-biden-world-order/

Posted by: dh | Oct 23 2023 15:55 utc | 53


Brzezinski quote from the 1970's:

International banks and Multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state.

(Blood sucking vampires want it all)

They want it all, and they'll get it. - George Carlin

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 15:55 utc | 54

@Christian J Chuba #19

Buying gold is one way, but it is not the only way. Using excess USD to build infrastructure like the Belt and Road initative in other countries produces productive (if it's done right) capital investments that represent a win-win arrangement with those countries. Or investing in equipment and expertise to raise the technical level of your country (to the extent those things are not sanctioned to the point it is impossible).

There is an intense dislike of both the latter things by the US, for good reason.

Posted by: BillB | Oct 23 2023 15:57 utc | 55

Great post! This is exactly the sort of subject we all need to reflect on much more. We all need to understand that in the USA political ideas follow the application of power. The Washington gangsters only want power--in their own minds they justify that by saying to themselves (as Blinken clearly does) that US power based on Western values based in the 18th century Enlightenment is the only power that can provide a healthy future for us all. Eastern power can only be despotic by definition.

People often wonder why and how the Neoconservative movement captured the loyalty of almost the entire Washington foreign policy elite. The liberalism of 1932 to about 1992 had the drawback of not believing that the ends justify the means. Others known as "realists" believed in cooperation and diplomacy as a way to game the system in Washington's favor--nudges here and there could have dramatic effects without the need of dramatic and wasteful threats and wars. These two groups dominated Washington's foreign policy whereas conservatives, mainly in the military, wanted to bomb the hell out of anyone they could find.

Neoconservatives came up with an ideology that was more compelling than anything that preceded it. They took the idea that we should use our dominant military force to reshape the world after the fall of the USSR in our own image. We had, they argued, the only truly dynamic multi-cultural society that also had a coherent national culture. They also argued that without a common purpose, the country would devolve into competing sub-cultures, factions, localities, economic interests and, as they stated, hedonism and the moral corruption that would follow. They were right and they were wrong. They were absolutely correct that the US national culture would devolve but they were wrong in asserting that the common purpose of all Americans would be and could only be the ideological commitment to the use of force and only force to unify the world under the aegis of the new Western Roman Empire echoing the old conflict between Rome and Constantinople in which the East means Peking. It's either us or them. In a confusing and rapidly changing cultural and technological world this simplistic view allowed the obsessive careerism of the Washington scene (I f-ing lived in it) to thrive and continue to blow up shit for the higher good. To put it another way, it is exactly what it appears to be, a blend of communism and fascism.

The US finance oligarchs, of course, loved this because it allowed them to take over control of the national scene through everything from woke-ism, BLM, and forms of medical fascism (the silencing of medical and research dissent from, e.g., policies that forced people to do whatever. The interesting thing for me is to see Europe to adopt the same ideology as the neocons in not only ruling circles but the intellectual culture that should have known better.

People require meaning to live a good life, as Victor Frankl pointed out long ago. The Neoconservative movement provided a simple ideology that had been latent in American culture at least since Wilson's "making the world safe for democracy." The difference today is that there are no limits to the neocon project. They will gladly, kill, torture, and risk blowing up the globe. Not because their ideology requires that but in the competitive careerist culture of Washington the degree to which you are ruthless is the degree to which you succeed.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 56


Posted by: Ross | Oct 23 2023 14:23 utc | 9
Time for us Americans to communicate to our rulers that we want peace as much as the rest of the world.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 23 2023 14:24 utc | 10
The problem, imperialism remains, because it is a function of capitalist class rule and the longing for monopoly to free capitalists from the disciplines of markets

The problem is not capitalism, but monopolism..without monopoly power in private hands there is a significant reduction in the need for aggression between nations. Monopolism results from privatization of the elements of capital [horizontal accumulation of wealth] and unconscionable stores of wealth results from allowing the parent to pass wealth vertically to siblings(vertical accumulation of wealth) ..

I propose that to reduce the capitalist class to the level of the working class it is necessary only to move the elements of capital into public ownership and to allocate the use of the elements of capital according to the numbers in the population.

What is needed is to remove private ownership of any and all elements of capital,but leave the contest for money (competition) in the hands of the capitalist.

Posted by: snake | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 57

31 . Philippines was slipping away from usa into China or more so it's natural Asian orbit under Duterte. So cue the son of last super corrupt poodle and all is well. Gob smacking , and the nation grinds to halt as those USN bases and now expanding land forces is the only thing the ex Territory has of value . Trade and investment , who needs that,

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 23 2023 16:01 utc | 58

Posted by: snake | Oct 23 2023 15:58 utc | 57

What is needed is to remove private ownership of any and all elements of capital,but leave the contest for money (competition) in the hands of the capitalist.

It would be a nice change but but about as possible as me sprouting wings and flying to the Moon. Why? Because the consciousness of ordinary people is too low to grasp what you say and also, assuming such a notion were to enter the heads of many people, our collective ability to organize into loyal and powerful communities of interest is, every day, growing more remote. We have begun, at least in the USA, to lose the ability to creatively interact and cooperate into groups small and large unless there's a way to make a lot of money doing that. Social media was supposed to help but it atrophies rather than aids us in organizing into committed communities. So the oligarchs will continue to rule us--the best we can do is influence them to act one way or the other.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 23 2023 16:05 utc | 59

All this talk doesn't mean dick if it isn't followed up by action, b. We'll know we're in a multipolar world when Russia, China, and Iran issue a joint statement declaring Israel a terrorist state, demand an immediate cease fire, a restoration of power and water to Gaza, guaranteed security for the Rafah crossing, etc. And to include the explicit threat that if these demands are not met within 24 hours, Israel's power stations and water treatment plants and refineries will be taken out by Hezbollah. They can also give them 24 hours to vacate the north of Israel and go to the south if that isn't enough. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 15:09 utc | 36

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You're not talking about multipolarity. You're talking about a new hegemon in the form of a bloc.

Red-faced threats and bluster are not progress.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:07 utc | 60

Just elect Trump, he will fix everything.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 15:17 utc | 40

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When he inevitably fixes nothing, he will be sure to remind us that he did. Even for an American, his big talk and self-delusion are off of the charts.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:10 utc | 61

The Empire of Lies is mired in endless and unpayable debt. It's societies are fractured and fractious as peoples realize 'democracy' is a Big Lie. The people in charge belong to a cult/cabal of GREED. The entirety of the 'west' hangs by a thread of propaganda and threats.

The only question that remains is to what lengths will the tippy-top of the pyramid scheme go to maintain its delusions.

Thanks as always to b for this forum.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 62

Recently I read an American thinktank which recognised the shift in world power. Its advice was for the US to learn to be friendly to other nations, respect them and treat them decently in order that the US might continue to achieve what it wants.

Posted by: Valerie Swales | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 63

Posted by: BillB | Oct 23 2023 15:57 utc | 55

Using usd to build infrastructures won't work, it will only keep usd as the dominant currency.

Buying gold from us, and only us, could work.
Return useless green to us and use gold for investment in any other currency but usd.

Stop buying tbond will also work in a medium long term, not that this is already happening.

Japan has overseaded China as tbond buyer around the world.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 16:13 utc | 64

I was all in with this Tooze fellow when, early on in his article, he said "As a metaphysical proposition it is silly and self-deluding. It is bizarre to imagine that the world needs America to “hold it together”

But as I read on, I began to suspect he would turn into somebody I could not agree with.

Sure enough, he morphed into another ordinary climate change nut case.

Still, I like some of the stuff he's saying, so, put me in the category of a strange bedfellow.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Oct 23 2023 16:23 utc | 65

great essay b.... your question at the end - i think the answer is the later.. we are seeing that in real time at present, sorry to say..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:25 utc | 66

Yalta was not implemented.

Truman lost the intent of Yalta, let Churchill renege on demilitarizing Germany and start a Cold War against Russia in the sterile object of Soviet dangers.

Europe was not to be armed!

Peace lost at Potsdam

Posted by: paddy | Oct 23 2023 14:30 utc | 17

I have to admit Paddy, you are right

Posted by: canuck | Oct 23 2023 16:26 utc | 67

Historically that’s not how empires were ended they fight to their end, as evident ever since WWII starting the Korean War US is been in process of doing just that. Thankfully as again is evident we are near the end this current war of Gaza is example not only militarily but also control of information and sentiment.

Posted by: Kooshy | Oct 23 2023 16:30 utc | 68

The fundamental problem is that the United States is desperately short of statesmen, and seasoned political leaders. In fact, most of capitol hill are embarrassments - and would not be able to stand head to head with their counterparts in other nations. Many have very limited global or foreign travel experience. Almost none speak a second language. Beyond stereotypes, they also have very limited history or geography in their educational tool kits. Ask them to name the capital of Mongolia - they would have no idea. Or South Africa for that matter. I could go on and on. You can not lead if you don't have leadership. This is the core reason why US leadership is such a failure. Nothing the US has touched has been better as a result of US involvement - Iraq, Afghanistan... tell me what we have added value to? And then (because of the ignorance and lack of depth) we end up depending on allies like the Brits or Israelis or worse foreign lobbyists like AIPAC etc. who consistently lead us up the proverbial garden path - to screw us - for their own benefit. Blaming the demise on Russia or China or BRICS is a big mistake. Men at times are masters of their fate (Shakespeare - Julius Caesar). This is the bed we made and we are sleeping in it. There needs to be a complete overhaul of government and governance in the U.S. No I am NOT talking about insurrection, but I am saying the system is broken. We do not right now have a speaker of the house ... what does that tell anyone?

Posted by: Ayatoilet | Oct 23 2023 16:32 utc | 69

Posted by: Valerie Swales | Oct 23 2023 16:12 utc | 63

It won't work.

USA and the rest of west, which I belong to, need to have cheaply access to resources that are mostly located in the, so called, global South.

In order to have this cheap access we need to have an imperial/colonialist posture so to force global South to give us the resources we need.

In a world of friendly west we will need to accept a lower living standard and, I guess, west governments will be grilled on that reality.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 23 2023 16:36 utc | 70

@ jayc | Oct 23 2023 15:41 utc | 49

blinken quote you make and thanks for your posts here at moa..

"who have lost their lives in this conflict of Hamas' making-" he lets that cat out of the bag with that statement that is an inverse reflection on israels and the usa's too... no acknowledgement that we are witnessing what we see due israel or usa's role in all of this.. instead, all the bad shit is on hamas... these folks are not very good liars.. oh well..

reading the comments backwards... see what else i find..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:38 utc | 71

Chris Cosmos 59

1/ One solution is to ban ownership private as well as public and to replace it by a finely tuned right of Usufruct.

"The usufruct is the right to enjoy a property without being the owner and on condition that it is preserved, that is to say maintained. It's another person who has the bare-ownership good. In this case, we are talking about dismemberment of property rights."

Mankind should acknowledge once and for all they have no right of ownership upon mother nature over the land or over the sky over the space.

Humans deserve a guaranteed right of usufruct based on respect and solidarity for everyone.

2/ Anonymous companies ought to be forbidden and replaced by associations of identified and responsable people formed in view of insuring shared prosperity under the rule of shared usufruct, i.e. consumation of commonly produced profit in solidarity implying respect of mother Nature.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72

"a flash is detected then the clock starts running ... you have about 5 minutes to decide whether to start the launch sequence or risk losing your country.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Oct 23 2023 14:55 utc | 28"

Indeed but if your country is targeted, it is lost anyway, launch sequence or not

the conflict in Ukraine has demonstrated that nuclear deterrence no longer works, on the contrary, Russia and NATO have been keen to show how much they no longer stop at that

if WE don't act and mobilize for cease-fire, negociations and nuclear disarmament, future can be worrying

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 23 2023 16:46 utc | 73

Helmer has a new article up which seems very relevant and that I much agree with:

THE EXISTENTIAL TRAP – THE PENTAGON HAS JUST FALLEN INTO IT, AS BIDEN TRIES TO AVOID CARTER’S HOSTAGE RESCUE DISASTER

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 23 2023 16:48 utc | 74

The penny dropped a long time ago in the halls of western power, don't delude yourself into thinking otherwise.
The real penny dropping that's happening in the west is not the inevitable multipolarity, but the realisation that the plebians will rise up and take away their power.
War with Russia or China is not going to stop the plebian takeover and they know it.
Europeans, Canadians, Americans, they're all waking up to the absolute rottenness of their society and their rulers. The scam is up, the anger is rising, violence is around the corner.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Oct 23 2023 16:52 utc | 75

10 years. Just 10 more years and then 'they' can rip everything to shreds, give it heck, nukes and all........I will be gone by then or too tattered to notice.
On the flip side, we all might worry about the wrong evil - it could indeed be coming from the left field, just one corporation with the absolute power derived from a singular AI, and an entirely new over-lord ruling by bits and bytes.

Posted by: Peter Camenzind | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 76

Thank you, b for highlighting Putin's 2007 speech. Putin is clearly the most important statesman of the 21st century and the main figure in the change to a multipolar world.

However, some of the commentators here, and perhaps Putin himself, are delusional if they believe that the vast differences in average living standards around the world are best explained as a legacy of colonialism. As an intelligence researcher, I have to tell you that international differences in cognitive ability may narrow to some extent, but they are not going to disappear. Moreover, even when many less developed countries have achieved independence, they have often instituted terribly dysfunctional economic policies.

Posted by: greg | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 77

LoveDonbass

Thanks for your response. What I'm saying is that talk of multipolarity is somewhat premature if the two largest "poles" don't even call the war criminal ambassadors to account, let alone expel them. Ditto their hegemon enabler. Just trying to keep it real.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 78

The fundamental problem is that the United States is desperately short of statesmen, and seasoned political leaders.

...

This is the bed we made and we are sleeping in it. There needs to be a complete overhaul of government and governance in the U.S. No I am NOT talking about insurrection, but I am saying the system is broken. We do not right now have a speaker of the house ... what does that tell anyone?

Posted by: Ayatoilet | Oct 23 2023 16:32 utc | 69

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Consider the issue is not statesmen, but rather human nature. Which societies are better constructed to protect people from human nature, at the citizen AND leadership level? Some of it is historical, some of it is legal, some of it is cultural values.

No Speaker is a feature, not a bug. The longer there is no Speaker, the fewer bills that can be passed, and less bad government is a net win for everyone (except the donors who have no one to bribe and control at the moment).

I don't think any political system is broken. I think that Westerners believe that politics can solve everyone's problems, and that is why the US has such an enormous debt. Money gets thrown at everything, whether it works or not because people are able to skim and collect a vigorish off of it. The incentive is not to solve a problem but to spend a lot of money on it repeatedly.

You don't know how lucky America is to be in political chaos right now. That was one good thing about Trump is that he introduced a lot of chaos and uncertainty to a system that when working "properly" is a very efficient money-laundering scheme run by psychopaths.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:55 utc | 79

When he inevitably fixes nothing, he will be sure to remind us that he did. Even for an American, his big talk and self-delusion are off of the charts.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 16:10 utc | 61

When Trump ascends the throne, we shall all wake up in the most glorious day. People along the world will rejoice, flock the streets in celebration, chanting his name with hearths full of hope and love for their neighbor. For humanity will once again know a future as Satan will be gone.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 80

"Now is the time for sentence and punishment. For the west.

An eye for an eye.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 14:46 utc | 24"

And that is what drives their panic.

Me, I'm starting to learn a little Russian. Have 2 conversation books, a 10 lesson cd, a 3rd book on the way.

And daily practice my greeting for the day the Russians arrive:

Ya molilsya chtoby ty prishel

Posted by: Mary | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 81

@ juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6

always inspirational.. thanks for that.. if the usa was led by people like you, it'd be a very different reality..

@ waynorinorway... thanks for pointing out migueljoses post.. i have watched some of it and will see if i can watch the rest.. good stuff..

Posted by: james | Oct 23 2023 16:59 utc | 82

This can change overnight. Lavrov is here in Tehran as we speak... But so far, no one has done shit. No one has *said* shit. The least they could do is state, at the highest level, that what is taking place are massive war crimes that are on the brink of genocide, and that the war criminals, including people in the US administration and press corps, will be held to account. Hopefully some concrete action will come of the Lavrov visit. Nuff Sed.

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 83

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72

Yeah that is pretty much what the corporate globalists want for you. “You shall own nothing and be happy”.

Uhm, no thanks. I will keep trying to live a good life for me, my family and the rest without bureocratic tyrrants. Believe me, we tried such hardcore socialism and it didnt exactly work out.

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 84

Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 23 2023 16:54 utc | 78

################

I get it. I understand the frustration absolutely. I have tried to avoid it because I don't think men are able to hold men to account.

Rather than addressing past crimes, let's hope to limit the opportunities for future ones. And that is what multi-polarity is. Diminished power by the hegemon across all domains. Fewer opportunities for malfeasance and exploitation. More eyes "minding the store".

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:02 utc | 85

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 16:56 utc | 80
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
Uneducated Trump is not a leader by any means. In fact, he may end up in jail after all.

Posted by: AI | Oct 23 2023 17:08 utc | 86

The way I see things this is Ukraine 2.0. where Israel is simply another US proxy. The US is fooling everyone to believe that they are defending Israel. Their aim is to fight Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. However, they will never succeed. The need to admit defeat and walk away with their tail between their legs.

Posted by: AI | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 87

A new world will arrive in a flash of light - that quickly.

An epiphany will dawn upon the consciousness of the world
and the evil that is Zionism and it's allied nations of the imperialist Axis
will lay naked.

The monsters that have power in Israel have repeatedly threatened to use nukes
on Lebanon. Once they do the shock to the conscience of decent humanity will be so great that
humanity will transform and the hold that Zionism and it's allied Axis have will dissipate.

Could the threat of nukes be made clearer?
Clear enough for Lebanon,
veiled enough so that the West's politicians and news media
can "pull down the window shades" as demons walk freely amongst them.

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/middle-east/lebanon/if-hezbollah-enters-the-war-it-will-be-making-the-mistake-of-its-life/2023/10/22/

“If Hezbollah decides to enter the war, it will long for the Second Lebanon War,” Netanyahu said during a meeting with IDF commandos on Israel’s northern border.

“It will be making the mistake of its life. We will strike it with a force that it cannot even imagine, that will be destructive for it and for the Lebanese state,” he said. “We are ready for any scenario.You are ready for any scenario,” he told the commandos.

And Netanyahu's Defense Minister:

“The strength of the entire IDF…is at our disposal,” Gallant pointed out. “We are alert, and if Hezbollah wants to start a war, it should first look at the photographs of Gaza City.”

During a tour of the tense Mount Dov region this past August, where Hezbollah has repeatedly attacked IDF positions, Gallant repeated his warning that the IDF would destroy Lebanon if Hezbollah “makes a mistake” and chooses conflict with Israel.

In a video statement, Gallant warned Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah, “You have made mistakes in the past; you have paid very heavy prices. If … an escalation or conflict develops here, we will return Lebanon to the Stone Age. We will not hesitate to use all our power, and erode every inch of Hezbollah and Lebanon if we have to.

Posted by: librul | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 88

Mary @ 81
Now thats a prudent move, thanks for the idea.
Any person truly loyal to britain or england should support Russia.
Our politians are the traitors, all partys.
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 17:17 utc | 89

The Dollar Drops

There is a danger that oil-producing muslim countries will stop accepting dollars as payment for oil.

If the war in Gaza escalates into a regional war, muslim countries, including even Saudi Arabia, will have to side with Palestine and Hamas. If this happens, it is possible that the US will start sanctioning them. In anticipation of such an eventuality, these countries will need to take pre-emptive actions, i.e. offload their dollar holdings.

If there is no ceasefire soon, the petrodollar may be gone. With it, the status of the dollar as the global reserve currency.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 23 2023 17:20 utc | 90

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72

You mentioned two things that do not exist at a high enough level to support your theory. Respect. Maintenance. Not sure where you live, but in my locale 90% of the people here have no respect for anything and could not maintain a fish tank. So how does that work in your plan?

Posted by: CeaClearly | Oct 23 2023 17:23 utc | 91

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 16:43 utc | 72

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You're promoting a Utopia where humans ignore their nature with your property rebranding idea. Human nature is one of the few things we can rely upon. It's resilient. As long as there are humans, there will be human nature. And human nature includes greed, jealousy, exploitation, self-interest, etc.

If you're talking about the abolition of corporate charters I am 1,000% on board with that. Incorporation is one of the greatest mistakes humanity has made, IMO. Nothing is improved in any area by removing absolute accountability.

We might as well abolish intellectual property laws too, leveling the playing field for everyone when it comes to material creation and innovation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:26 utc | 92

Posted by: alek_a | Oct 23 2023 17:01 utc | 84

That is keeping the world as it is?
And the money people owning you?

I am closer to them than you are, and could make it very decently but you arent likely to.

Usufruct is the way out ... not socialism but local solidarity (local very much important so you got to know those you are solidary with).
Nothing anonymous.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Oct 23 2023 17:27 utc | 93

A new world will arrive in a flash of light - that quickly.

An epiphany will dawn upon the consciousness of the world
and the evil that is Zionism and it's allied nations of the imperialist Axis
will lay naked.

The monsters that have power in Israel have repeatedly threatened to use nukes
on Lebanon. Once they do the shock to the conscience of decent humanity will be so great that
humanity will transform and the hold that Zionism and it's allied Axis have will dissipate.

Could the threat of nukes be made clearer?
Clear enough for Lebanon,
veiled enough so that the West's politicians and news media
can "pull down the window shades" as demons walk freely amongst them.

Posted by: librul | Oct 23 2023 17:12 utc | 88

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If Israel nukes anyone, they will be wiped off of the map for real. And I would expect an (undeserved) pogrom globally against Jews.

Threatening with nukes isn't a power move. It is a desperate one. The Israeli leadership must be absolutely terrified right now.

And I believe that Russia and America have contingencies in place for a rogue state trying to start armageddon.

I don't know that I am going to paradise, my life has been a mixed bag, but I am not scared of death. It was always on my schedule.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:31 utc | 94

Posted by: juliania | Oct 23 2023 14:19 utc | 6

Thanks for the story Juliania! I appreciate your hopeful comments

Posted by: migueljose | Oct 23 2023 17:32 utc | 95

Hamas Now Armed With Anti-Tank Weapons

Resources close to Hamas published footage of the next batch of weapons that the group received. As can be seen from the footage, Hamas is now armed with modern Western AT-4s and NLAWs. Re-export from Ukraine is gaining momentum.

https://t.me/intelslava/52602

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Oct 23 2023 17:37 utc | 96

When will the "Israelis" begin the Gaza ground invasion?

I'm thinking not any time this year.

Might be a mutinous event if it happens.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 17:39 utc | 97

96

No one could have imagined that Ukrainians would sell their US weapons. /S

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 23 2023 17:42 utc | 98

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 23 2023 14:46 utc | 24

my days of not considering you psychotic have come to an end. bye.

Posted by: frkorz | Oct 23 2023 17:43 utc | 99

“I don't know that I am going to paradise, my life has been a mixed bag, but I am not scared of death. It was always on my schedule.”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 23 2023 17:31 utc | 94

Funny, it is on everyone’s schedule. It is our true equality, to Live requires you to Leave.

How people react to this truth is what differentiates us.

Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Oct 23 2023 17:44 utc | 100

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