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October 15, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-238

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What to believe about the European Council’s support of VdL’s “independent” pro-Israel stance?

European Council Press release 14 October 2023 20:54
Invitation letter by President Charles Michel to the members of the European Council ahead of their video conference of 17 October 2023
Hamas’ brutal terrorist attacks against Israel last Saturday resulted in the tragic loss of over a thousand innocent Israeli civilians. Hostages must be released immediately and without any preconditions. There is no justification for terror.
We stand in full solidarity with the people of Israel and the victims of the terrorist attacks. Israel has the right to defend itself in full compliance with international law, in particular international humanitarian law. …

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/10/14/invitation-letter-by-president-charles-michel-to-the-members-of-the-european-council-ahead-of-their-video-conference-of-17-october-2023/

Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2023 12:42 utc | 1

What to believe about the European Council’s support of VdL’s “independent” pro-Israel stance?

European Council Press release 14 October 2023 20:54
Invitation letter by President Charles Michel to the members of the European Council ahead of their video conference of 17 October 2023
Hamas’ brutal terrorist attacks against Israel last Saturday resulted in the tragic loss of over a thousand innocent Israeli civilians. Hostages must be released immediately and without any preconditions. There is no justification for terror.
We stand in full solidarity with the people of Israel and the victims of the terrorist attacks. Israel has the right to defend itself in full compliance with international law, in particular international humanitarian law. …

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/10/14/invitation-letter-by-president-charles-michel-to-the-members-of-the-european-council-ahead-of-their-video-conference-of-17-october-2023/

Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2023 12:42 utc | 2

Mali delegation is signing a deal for the construction of nuclear reactors.

Breaking 🚨- Mali 🇲🇱 signed a nuclear ☢️ deal with Russia
On Friday October 13th, 2023, on national television, the government announced that they signed two memoranda of understanding with the Russian federation. Here’s what the journalist was reading,
“The high-level Malian delegation led by the Minister of Economy and Finance continues his mission in Moscow. Two memoranda of understanding have been signed today, they are about in particular geological research, but also and above all civil nuclear power. Thanks to these memoranda of understanding, Mali will very soon take its first steps in civil nuclear power, with the key being the construction of four 57 megawatt nuclear power plants.
Our country will also be able to have an extra-mining case which will list all the mining substances which exist throughout the entire national territory. During this day, the country’s supply of fertilizers for the next agricultural season from Russia was also discussed. The Russian company responsible for the distribution of fertilizers is ready to supply Mali with the full quantities that the country needs as quickly as possible, and to continue our country’s supply of wheat. We will come back to this later in full details with our special envoys.”
Alright, folks, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Burkina Faso 🇧🇫, and Mali 🇲🇱 both embark on nuclear energy on the same day. Remember,
@CapitaineIb226
said that the federation between our two countries is well in progress and that any state is welcome to join. Now we have Niger on board. It’s important that you know that we have uranium, it’s that we haven’t started mining them yet. I guess those who thought they would control our raw materials ad vitam aeternam are in for a big surprise. We know they are hitting us with terrorism because we said no to them. But that’s not a problem. We’ll settle the score with the terrorists.
Anyway, if uranium is good for Mr colonizer or Mr imperialist, then it’s also good enough for us. The Alliance of Sahel states (AES) are going to work wonders. This is not the generation of our forefathers or our parents, this is our generation. Frantz Fanon said, “Each generation must in a relative opacity discover its mission, fulfill it or betray it.” We have discovered our mission, which is to liberate ourselves from bondage, we will, and we will not betray it. Long live Burkina Faso 🇧🇫- Mali 🇲🇱- Niger 🇳🇪 and long live Africa! A luta continua!

https://twitter.com/marcus_herve/status/1713341315050512730

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2023 13:01 utc | 3

Mali delegation is signing a deal for the construction of nuclear reactors.

Breaking 🚨- Mali 🇲🇱 signed a nuclear ☢️ deal with Russia
On Friday October 13th, 2023, on national television, the government announced that they signed two memoranda of understanding with the Russian federation. Here’s what the journalist was reading,
“The high-level Malian delegation led by the Minister of Economy and Finance continues his mission in Moscow. Two memoranda of understanding have been signed today, they are about in particular geological research, but also and above all civil nuclear power. Thanks to these memoranda of understanding, Mali will very soon take its first steps in civil nuclear power, with the key being the construction of four 57 megawatt nuclear power plants.
Our country will also be able to have an extra-mining case which will list all the mining substances which exist throughout the entire national territory. During this day, the country’s supply of fertilizers for the next agricultural season from Russia was also discussed. The Russian company responsible for the distribution of fertilizers is ready to supply Mali with the full quantities that the country needs as quickly as possible, and to continue our country’s supply of wheat. We will come back to this later in full details with our special envoys.”
Alright, folks, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Burkina Faso 🇧🇫, and Mali 🇲🇱 both embark on nuclear energy on the same day. Remember,
@CapitaineIb226
said that the federation between our two countries is well in progress and that any state is welcome to join. Now we have Niger on board. It’s important that you know that we have uranium, it’s that we haven’t started mining them yet. I guess those who thought they would control our raw materials ad vitam aeternam are in for a big surprise. We know they are hitting us with terrorism because we said no to them. But that’s not a problem. We’ll settle the score with the terrorists.
Anyway, if uranium is good for Mr colonizer or Mr imperialist, then it’s also good enough for us. The Alliance of Sahel states (AES) are going to work wonders. This is not the generation of our forefathers or our parents, this is our generation. Frantz Fanon said, “Each generation must in a relative opacity discover its mission, fulfill it or betray it.” We have discovered our mission, which is to liberate ourselves from bondage, we will, and we will not betray it. Long live Burkina Faso 🇧🇫- Mali 🇲🇱- Niger 🇳🇪 and long live Africa! A luta continua!

https://twitter.com/marcus_herve/status/1713341315050512730

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 15 2023 13:01 utc | 4

This includes a bit of history on Gaza which is of interest
Chartbook 245: Gaza, beyond de-development to disposability and destruction

Posted by: b | Oct 15 2023 13:09 utc | 5

This includes a bit of history on Gaza which is of interest
Chartbook 245: Gaza, beyond de-development to disposability and destruction

Posted by: b | Oct 15 2023 13:09 utc | 6

Add this, because in the week to come G7 will spread this “intentionality” sh!t all over the ruins and corpses in Gaza, while waiting for Israel to begin a bogus ground offense.
IDF denies striking Gaza evacuation convoys ‘on purpose’

The Israel Defense Forces have denied deliberately killing civilians trying to flee north Gaza in [IDF] airstrikes, saying any information coming from the Hamas-controlled Palestinian enclave [a/k/a “first nation” reservation] should be treated with “extreme caution and suspicion” as it serves their “propaganda purposes.”
While not completely ruling out the possibility of a “freak accident,” IDF spokesperson Lt. Colonel Jonathan Conricus insisted on Sunday that “there was no targeting of vehicles, there was no targeting of civilians” referring to Friday’s incident, in which dozens of people were killed or and injured.
The spokesman demonstrated a video showing cars driving down Salah al-Din road, following an Israeli evacuation order, before an explosion hit one of the vehicles.
“I’m not a forensic expert, I won’t be able to say if this is a roadside IED [?!] or if this is a strike from above. But what I am able to say with confidence, because we have asked, is that the IDF did not purposely strike in that area,” Conricus said..
[…]

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 13:10 utc | 7

Add this, because in the week to come G7 will spread this “intentionality” sh!t all over the ruins and corpses in Gaza, while waiting for Israel to begin a bogus ground offense.
IDF denies striking Gaza evacuation convoys ‘on purpose’

The Israel Defense Forces have denied deliberately killing civilians trying to flee north Gaza in [IDF] airstrikes, saying any information coming from the Hamas-controlled Palestinian enclave [a/k/a “first nation” reservation] should be treated with “extreme caution and suspicion” as it serves their “propaganda purposes.”
While not completely ruling out the possibility of a “freak accident,” IDF spokesperson Lt. Colonel Jonathan Conricus insisted on Sunday that “there was no targeting of vehicles, there was no targeting of civilians” referring to Friday’s incident, in which dozens of people were killed or and injured.
The spokesman demonstrated a video showing cars driving down Salah al-Din road, following an Israeli evacuation order, before an explosion hit one of the vehicles.
“I’m not a forensic expert, I won’t be able to say if this is a roadside IED [?!] or if this is a strike from above. But what I am able to say with confidence, because we have asked, is that the IDF did not purposely strike in that area,” Conricus said..
[…]

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 13:10 utc | 8

What to believe about the European Council’s support of VdL’s “independent” pro-Israel stance?

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/10/14/invitation-letter-by-president-charles-michel-to-the-members-of-the-european-council-ahead-of-their-video-conference-of-17-october-2023/
Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2023 12:42 utc | 1
Tools will be used to fix things.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 13:11 utc | 9

What to believe about the European Council’s support of VdL’s “independent” pro-Israel stance?

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/10/14/invitation-letter-by-president-charles-michel-to-the-members-of-the-european-council-ahead-of-their-video-conference-of-17-october-2023/
Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2023 12:42 utc | 1
Tools will be used to fix things.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 13:11 utc | 10

I took the trouble to look this up again since the subject keep coming up:
The Third Temple’s Holy of Holies: Israel’s Nuclear Weapons

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 13:24 utc | 13

I took the trouble to look this up again since the subject keep coming up:
The Third Temple’s Holy of Holies: Israel’s Nuclear Weapons

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 13:24 utc | 14

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 15 2023 13:15 utc | 6
Heh, thanks, anything to make me laugh these days must be good. That cracked me up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 13:27 utc | 15

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 15 2023 13:15 utc | 6
Heh, thanks, anything to make me laugh these days must be good. That cracked me up.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 13:27 utc | 16

George Soros migration strategy finally revealed:
1. Pay Palestinians to STAY in Gaza- No rubber boats for them- Stay and kill Israelis
2. Pay North African Muslims to LEAVE, provide Rubber rafts so they migrate to Italy en
transit to France and the UK

Posted by: william paul | Oct 15 2023 13:45 utc | 17

George Soros migration strategy finally revealed:
1. Pay Palestinians to STAY in Gaza- No rubber boats for them- Stay and kill Israelis
2. Pay North African Muslims to LEAVE, provide Rubber rafts so they migrate to Italy en
transit to France and the UK

Posted by: william paul | Oct 15 2023 13:45 utc | 18

Question : How stretched is NATO ?
My guess is NATO is seriously over committed. Thoughts ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 15 2023 14:21 utc | 21

Question : How stretched is NATO ?
My guess is NATO is seriously over committed. Thoughts ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 15 2023 14:21 utc | 22

Question : How stretched is NATO ?
Posted by: Exile | Oct 15 2023 14:21 utc | 11

It depends upon what their potential adversary can field.
For example, consider this new video that presents with some detail China’s fibre-optic sonar and ocean penetrating lasers. Is NATO up to date?
https://youtu.be/y4zbSjapGMA?t=905

Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2023 14:32 utc | 23

Question : How stretched is NATO ?
Posted by: Exile | Oct 15 2023 14:21 utc | 11

It depends upon what their potential adversary can field.
For example, consider this new video that presents with some detail China’s fibre-optic sonar and ocean penetrating lasers. Is NATO up to date?
https://youtu.be/y4zbSjapGMA?t=905

Posted by: too scents | Oct 15 2023 14:32 utc | 24

Related to G Doctorow’s second piece this news that has just come in:
A group of US senators is heading to the Middle East to “support” normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Saudi suspended talks on normalization due to current Israel crimes in Gaza.
According to NBC, the US administration does not want “a pause” in the process of normalization between Saudi and Israel.
In order to better understand this US policy I recommend this enlightening article by As`ad AbuKhalil, a Lebanese-American professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus:
How a DC Think Tank Helped Cause the Gaza ‘Deluge’
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/12/how-a-dc-think-tank-helped-cause-the-gaza-deluge/

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 14:36 utc | 25

Related to G Doctorow’s second piece this news that has just come in:
A group of US senators is heading to the Middle East to “support” normalization between Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Saudi suspended talks on normalization due to current Israel crimes in Gaza.
According to NBC, the US administration does not want “a pause” in the process of normalization between Saudi and Israel.
In order to better understand this US policy I recommend this enlightening article by As`ad AbuKhalil, a Lebanese-American professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus:
How a DC Think Tank Helped Cause the Gaza ‘Deluge’
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/12/how-a-dc-think-tank-helped-cause-the-gaza-deluge/

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 14:36 utc | 26

Exile | Oct 15 2023 14:21 utc | 11
Question : How stretched is NATO ?
My guess is NATO is seriously over committed. Thoughts ?

Having worked around NATO for some time I don’t believe they are stretched at all. Now no one wants to feel any pain so the bare minimum is offered. If the situation gets real you can count on a lot people doing a lot of work to wage a ground war. Everyone has experience with that and not much changes over time.
Having said that, imo no one plans for a ground war. Air Power is the answer to all questions. I believe that remains true even now. It is not the billion dollar stealth airplanes to carry the day but the 1000 dollar drone. you can buy a lot of drones for a billion dollars and defending against them will be challenging. I do hope that the planners and engineers who develop AI enhanced drones with kill capability meet that same fate, just like Dr Guillotine lost his head when the tide turned against him.
so, I think there are some sane people left who do not want to escalate the conflict and are using any excuse they can come up with. when the shit hits the fan all hell will be let loose.
my 2 cents

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 15 2023 14:37 utc | 27

Exile | Oct 15 2023 14:21 utc | 11
Question : How stretched is NATO ?
My guess is NATO is seriously over committed. Thoughts ?

Having worked around NATO for some time I don’t believe they are stretched at all. Now no one wants to feel any pain so the bare minimum is offered. If the situation gets real you can count on a lot people doing a lot of work to wage a ground war. Everyone has experience with that and not much changes over time.
Having said that, imo no one plans for a ground war. Air Power is the answer to all questions. I believe that remains true even now. It is not the billion dollar stealth airplanes to carry the day but the 1000 dollar drone. you can buy a lot of drones for a billion dollars and defending against them will be challenging. I do hope that the planners and engineers who develop AI enhanced drones with kill capability meet that same fate, just like Dr Guillotine lost his head when the tide turned against him.
so, I think there are some sane people left who do not want to escalate the conflict and are using any excuse they can come up with. when the shit hits the fan all hell will be let loose.
my 2 cents

Posted by: dan of steele | Oct 15 2023 14:37 utc | 28

In this piece, the author does a great job of connecting many dots –
the result is a very hopeful picture for Palestine & others who prefer peace & justice, to
western backed barbarism.
Israeli Conflict Takes Eschatological Turn + Ukraine War Updates
Simplicius the thinker
Oct 15
…..”But there’s another larger dimension to this, which MoA’s great new article touches on. It’s an eschatological one.”
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israeli-conflict-takes-eschatological

Posted by: Toby C | Oct 15 2023 14:39 utc | 29

In this piece, the author does a great job of connecting many dots –
the result is a very hopeful picture for Palestine & others who prefer peace & justice, to
western backed barbarism.
Israeli Conflict Takes Eschatological Turn + Ukraine War Updates
Simplicius the thinker
Oct 15
…..”But there’s another larger dimension to this, which MoA’s great new article touches on. It’s an eschatological one.”
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israeli-conflict-takes-eschatological

Posted by: Toby C | Oct 15 2023 14:39 utc | 30

What are the odds of a second Arab Spring in Egypt? Sisi is unpopular. The economy is in terrible shape. Inflation is high. The elections are obviously a sham and there is popular support for the Palestinian cause.

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 15 2023 14:51 utc | 31

What are the odds of a second Arab Spring in Egypt? Sisi is unpopular. The economy is in terrible shape. Inflation is high. The elections are obviously a sham and there is popular support for the Palestinian cause.

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 15 2023 14:51 utc | 32

How a DC Think Tank Helped Cause the Gaza ‘Deluge’
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/12/how-a-dc-think-tank-helped-cause-the-gaza-deluge/
Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 14:36 utc | 13
Thank you for that, one of the people I look for, As`ad AbuKhalil.
The Izzies really have swallowed their own bullshit whole.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 15:13 utc | 33

How a DC Think Tank Helped Cause the Gaza ‘Deluge’
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/12/how-a-dc-think-tank-helped-cause-the-gaza-deluge/
Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 14:36 utc | 13
Thank you for that, one of the people I look for, As`ad AbuKhalil.
The Izzies really have swallowed their own bullshit whole.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 15:13 utc | 34

What are the odds of a second Arab Spring in Egypt? Sisi is unpopular. The economy is in terrible shape. Inflation is high. The elections are obviously a sham and there is popular support for the Palestinian cause.
Posted by: team10tim | Oct 15 2023 14:51 utc | 16
The odds would be pretty good, the King of Jordan looks sweat-bedewed too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 15:15 utc | 35

What are the odds of a second Arab Spring in Egypt? Sisi is unpopular. The economy is in terrible shape. Inflation is high. The elections are obviously a sham and there is popular support for the Palestinian cause.
Posted by: team10tim | Oct 15 2023 14:51 utc | 16
The odds would be pretty good, the King of Jordan looks sweat-bedewed too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 15:15 utc | 36

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Posted by: Thelonius | Oct 15 2023 15:21 utc | 37

Feeds are broken.
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Posted by: Thelonius | Oct 15 2023 15:21 utc | 38

Arab Springs require CIA coordination, people, tools, logistics, money, behind the scenes preparation,time.
I’d say an Egypt Arab Spring would run counter to the company’s desires at this time.
But what do I know?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 15 2023 15:23 utc | 39

Arab Springs require CIA coordination, people, tools, logistics, money, behind the scenes preparation,time.
I’d say an Egypt Arab Spring would run counter to the company’s desires at this time.
But what do I know?

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 15 2023 15:23 utc | 40

Hey, Joe! Where are you going with those chips in your hands? The chip makers don’t make any money if they don’t sell them to buyers, you know!
Seriously, if the chip makers can’t sell their chips to Chinese buyers, those buyers will learn to make what they need themselves. The US government has been shafting US manufacturers this way for a long time. This is one reason why American workers get poorer and poorer, more and more of them homeless.

Posted by: lester | Oct 15 2023 15:35 utc | 41

Hey, Joe! Where are you going with those chips in your hands? The chip makers don’t make any money if they don’t sell them to buyers, you know!
Seriously, if the chip makers can’t sell their chips to Chinese buyers, those buyers will learn to make what they need themselves. The US government has been shafting US manufacturers this way for a long time. This is one reason why American workers get poorer and poorer, more and more of them homeless.

Posted by: lester | Oct 15 2023 15:35 utc | 42

Chartbook 245: Gaza, beyond de-development to disposability and destruction
Posted by: b | Oct 15 2023 13:09 utc | 3
THANK YOU b!!!!!
The history of that will be my first read this morning, even before my usual church readings. And before all of that, I went to news on CBS for the first time looking at or listening to mainstream news since before the turn of the century. I kid you not, and on my Sunday too! The report on Gaza was good! No US government input! (ABC had that – I switched it off NBC had a horror special on climate change; I watched a bit, then switched that off).
People in Gaza — GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU SAFE
THANK YOU b!!!!!!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 15:35 utc | 43

Chartbook 245: Gaza, beyond de-development to disposability and destruction
Posted by: b | Oct 15 2023 13:09 utc | 3
THANK YOU b!!!!!
The history of that will be my first read this morning, even before my usual church readings. And before all of that, I went to news on CBS for the first time looking at or listening to mainstream news since before the turn of the century. I kid you not, and on my Sunday too! The report on Gaza was good! No US government input! (ABC had that – I switched it off NBC had a horror special on climate change; I watched a bit, then switched that off).
People in Gaza — GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU SAFE
THANK YOU b!!!!!!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 15:35 utc | 44

More about the history of Gaza by Maha Nassar, associate professor in the School of Middle Eastern and North African Studies, University of Arizona.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/13/history-of-the-gaza-strip/

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 16:01 utc | 45

More about the history of Gaza by Maha Nassar, associate professor in the School of Middle Eastern and North African Studies, University of Arizona.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/13/history-of-the-gaza-strip/

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 16:01 utc | 46

I took the trouble to look this up again since the subject keep coming up:
(link to some balderdash)
Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 13:24 utc | 7

Sorry, but you’ve been misled. “Israel” doesn’t have any nukes. Look up Mordechai Vanunu. You’ll discover that this FAKE nuclear whistleblower was very publicly & ‘violently’ kidnapped by ‘Mossad’, in a country outside “Israel” and smuggled back to “Israel” to be punished. It made headlines worldwide.
Ahem,
Could a 4-year old imagine a better way to keep something secret, than being caught staging a kidnapping? It’s too good to be true and reminds me of the Mythbusters motto: “If a thing’s worth doing, it’s worth OVERDOING.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 16:08 utc | 47

I took the trouble to look this up again since the subject keep coming up:
(link to some balderdash)
Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 13:24 utc | 7

Sorry, but you’ve been misled. “Israel” doesn’t have any nukes. Look up Mordechai Vanunu. You’ll discover that this FAKE nuclear whistleblower was very publicly & ‘violently’ kidnapped by ‘Mossad’, in a country outside “Israel” and smuggled back to “Israel” to be punished. It made headlines worldwide.
Ahem,
Could a 4-year old imagine a better way to keep something secret, than being caught staging a kidnapping? It’s too good to be true and reminds me of the Mythbusters motto: “If a thing’s worth doing, it’s worth OVERDOING.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 16:08 utc | 48

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 16:01 utc | 23
Thank you, JB but that is the official story which most of us know. It doesn’t even start with the provocation of settlers raiding the Al- Aksa mosque, which most of us here know also.
b’s link is much, much better. The tunnel economy is well explained; I had no idea it was so developed!
Thank you again, b.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 16:15 utc | 49

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 16:01 utc | 23
Thank you, JB but that is the official story which most of us know. It doesn’t even start with the provocation of settlers raiding the Al- Aksa mosque, which most of us here know also.
b’s link is much, much better. The tunnel economy is well explained; I had no idea it was so developed!
Thank you again, b.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 16:15 utc | 50

I will add, the comments to Alan Tooze’s article which b has linked at 3 above are also well worth reading. You can see the pro’s and con’s in miniature there, and those supporting his article are glaringly more persuasively founded.
Bravo, Gaza. That is a history to be proud of.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 16:19 utc | 51

I will add, the comments to Alan Tooze’s article which b has linked at 3 above are also well worth reading. You can see the pro’s and con’s in miniature there, and those supporting his article are glaringly more persuasively founded.
Bravo, Gaza. That is a history to be proud of.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 16:19 utc | 52

Reuters:

A commando unit attacked the Israeli army’s southern Gaza headquarters and jammed its communications, preventing personnel from calling commanders or each other, the source said.

If Israel manufactured a “security failure”, such as withdrawing 3/4 of their troops from the Gaza border after receiving repeated warnings about something BIG
being imminent,
then
the IDF would have, as part of their preparation for a “security failure”,
written the above excuse about disrupted communication
ahead of time.

Posted by: librul | Oct 15 2023 16:22 utc | 53

Reuters:

A commando unit attacked the Israeli army’s southern Gaza headquarters and jammed its communications, preventing personnel from calling commanders or each other, the source said.

If Israel manufactured a “security failure”, such as withdrawing 3/4 of their troops from the Gaza border after receiving repeated warnings about something BIG
being imminent,
then
the IDF would have, as part of their preparation for a “security failure”,
written the above excuse about disrupted communication
ahead of time.

Posted by: librul | Oct 15 2023 16:22 utc | 54

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 16:08 utc | 24
I am well-aware of the Vanunu story. I will give you that the nukes are old and may well be “unreliable”, which poses a problem, and that the Izzies habitually overstate their strength, just like Uncle Sugar, and that the crazy-guy strategy was always a bad strategy. I would be happy to find out it is all a hoax, but not willing to bet the farm on it. If you have evidence, trot it out.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 16:23 utc | 55

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 16:08 utc | 24
I am well-aware of the Vanunu story. I will give you that the nukes are old and may well be “unreliable”, which poses a problem, and that the Izzies habitually overstate their strength, just like Uncle Sugar, and that the crazy-guy strategy was always a bad strategy. I would be happy to find out it is all a hoax, but not willing to bet the farm on it. If you have evidence, trot it out.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 16:23 utc | 56

Thanks also for the two Michael Hudson links, b. So much to read this week; as a reader I love it!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 16:28 utc | 57

Thanks also for the two Michael Hudson links, b. So much to read this week; as a reader I love it!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 16:28 utc | 58

thanks b.. amazing work and service you provide.. i hope people support you when you ask for financial support…
ditto @ julianias comment… b’s link @ b | Oct 15 2023 13:09 utc | 3 is really worth your time to read… highly recommend it..

Posted by: james | Oct 15 2023 16:33 utc | 59

thanks b.. amazing work and service you provide.. i hope people support you when you ask for financial support…
ditto @ julianias comment… b’s link @ b | Oct 15 2023 13:09 utc | 3 is really worth your time to read… highly recommend it..

Posted by: james | Oct 15 2023 16:33 utc | 60

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 16:08 utc | 24
uh how did South Africa get nukes?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 15 2023 16:51 utc | 61

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 16:08 utc | 24
uh how did South Africa get nukes?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 15 2023 16:51 utc | 62

thanks b.. amazing work and service you provide.. i hope people support you when you ask for financial support…
Posted by: james | Oct 15 2023 16:33 utc | 30
Yes. That chartbook as #3 overs a lot of ground, too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 16:55 utc | 63

thanks b.. amazing work and service you provide.. i hope people support you when you ask for financial support…
Posted by: james | Oct 15 2023 16:33 utc | 30
Yes. That chartbook as #3 overs a lot of ground, too.

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 16:55 utc | 64

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 16:15 utc | 25
I appreciate your reaction, but most people don’t know much, or anything, about Gaza, so all relevant information should be welcome to the interested.
The piece b linked to is, indeed, informative, but it is from an economic angle, and therefore lacking.
The History of Gaza on consortiumnews, which is a brief overview, complements it and adds some important facts that a careful reader will immediately notice.

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 17:00 utc | 65

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 16:15 utc | 25
I appreciate your reaction, but most people don’t know much, or anything, about Gaza, so all relevant information should be welcome to the interested.
The piece b linked to is, indeed, informative, but it is from an economic angle, and therefore lacking.
The History of Gaza on consortiumnews, which is a brief overview, complements it and adds some important facts that a careful reader will immediately notice.

Posted by: JB | Oct 15 2023 17:00 utc | 66

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 15 2023 14:51 utc | 16
LOL. Evidently, you don’t remember what happened to Morsi.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 17:03 utc | 67

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 15 2023 14:51 utc | 16
LOL. Evidently, you don’t remember what happened to Morsi.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 17:03 utc | 68


I would be happy to find out it is all a hoax, but not willing to bet the farm on it. If you have evidence, trot it out.
Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 16:23 utc | 28

Sorry, no evidence. Just logic, commonsense and an abundance of first hand experience of how mendacious and untrustworthy jews can be…
Watch Iran. If Iran is attacked by anyone, the Parasite Statelet will be in the crosshairs of Iran’s response.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 17:06 utc | 69


I would be happy to find out it is all a hoax, but not willing to bet the farm on it. If you have evidence, trot it out.
Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 15 2023 16:23 utc | 28

Sorry, no evidence. Just logic, commonsense and an abundance of first hand experience of how mendacious and untrustworthy jews can be…
Watch Iran. If Iran is attacked by anyone, the Parasite Statelet will be in the crosshairs of Iran’s response.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 17:06 utc | 70

Today is GE Day in Poland.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 17:10 utc | 71

Today is GE Day in Poland.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 17:10 utc | 72

The Michael Hudson piece on BRICS banking has an important footnote linking to Putin’s Valdai address. I went to it and discovered that indeed, Putin’s opening remarks are about economic factors, and he specifically mentions ‘… a cage of obligations …’. Boy, after reading the essay at b’s link at 3, does that sound like Gaza!?!
Even if you don’t have 4 hours to spend on Putin’s magnificent address, please do read those opening passages. I just did, and even in a re-read it doesn’t take long to do so.
One thing Clinton did get right :- It IS “the economy, stupid!!”
It’s not an iron curtain. They have been constructing an economic cage for everyone! I have faith that people are recognizing this now; people at large can be as inventive as the tunnel occupiers in Gaza have been, and perhaps as indomitable as they have been as well.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 17:13 utc | 73

The Michael Hudson piece on BRICS banking has an important footnote linking to Putin’s Valdai address. I went to it and discovered that indeed, Putin’s opening remarks are about economic factors, and he specifically mentions ‘… a cage of obligations …’. Boy, after reading the essay at b’s link at 3, does that sound like Gaza!?!
Even if you don’t have 4 hours to spend on Putin’s magnificent address, please do read those opening passages. I just did, and even in a re-read it doesn’t take long to do so.
One thing Clinton did get right :- It IS “the economy, stupid!!”
It’s not an iron curtain. They have been constructing an economic cage for everyone! I have faith that people are recognizing this now; people at large can be as inventive as the tunnel occupiers in Gaza have been, and perhaps as indomitable as they have been as well.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 17:13 utc | 74

– “US and Egypt warned about the attacks of Hamas”:
– I wouldn’t be surprsied to see that Benjamin Netanyahu (BN) has ignored those warnings to be able to improve his own position. BN is a “right wing” politician but he feels A LOT OF heat from the (extreme) right of his own party/coalition (think: Itamar Ben-Gvir & Bezalel Smotrich). BN could have thought that an attack of Hamas and the subsequent “counter attack” would improve his position in his government. BN seems (!!!) to be very vulnerable for attacks from the extreme right of the political spectrum. But it seems that the position of BN has not improved or even has deteriorated.
– BN has another reason to try to cling to his (political) position as long as possible. Once BN is no longer prime minister he runs the risk of being convicted to serve (long ???) prison sentence as a result of corruption.
“The West is no longer driving the bus”:
– The 1st sign that the West is “losing control” was the Arab spring in 2011. The Arab Spring began as a revolt of the populations of a few countries against their governments. The Arab Spring happening caught the US by surprise and then the CIA (???) was grilled why they didn’t see this (the Arab Spring) coming and caught them by surprise.
– Arab world:
I think the governments in the Middle East and North Africa are watching all developments with fear. Fear that this “unrest” will spread to their countries as well. Keep in mind: the Arab Spring started as a popular revolt from several populations against their government. The developments in Gaza doesn’t bode well. How long are the populations of the countries going to tolerate the oppression from their own governments ?
(As always LOTs of questions and very few solid answers.)

Posted by: Mr. Market | Oct 15 2023 17:13 utc | 75

– “US and Egypt warned about the attacks of Hamas”:
– I wouldn’t be surprsied to see that Benjamin Netanyahu (BN) has ignored those warnings to be able to improve his own position. BN is a “right wing” politician but he feels A LOT OF heat from the (extreme) right of his own party/coalition (think: Itamar Ben-Gvir & Bezalel Smotrich). BN could have thought that an attack of Hamas and the subsequent “counter attack” would improve his position in his government. BN seems (!!!) to be very vulnerable for attacks from the extreme right of the political spectrum. But it seems that the position of BN has not improved or even has deteriorated.
– BN has another reason to try to cling to his (political) position as long as possible. Once BN is no longer prime minister he runs the risk of being convicted to serve (long ???) prison sentence as a result of corruption.
“The West is no longer driving the bus”:
– The 1st sign that the West is “losing control” was the Arab spring in 2011. The Arab Spring began as a revolt of the populations of a few countries against their governments. The Arab Spring happening caught the US by surprise and then the CIA (???) was grilled why they didn’t see this (the Arab Spring) coming and caught them by surprise.
– Arab world:
I think the governments in the Middle East and North Africa are watching all developments with fear. Fear that this “unrest” will spread to their countries as well. Keep in mind: the Arab Spring started as a popular revolt from several populations against their government. The developments in Gaza doesn’t bode well. How long are the populations of the countries going to tolerate the oppression from their own governments ?
(As always LOTs of questions and very few solid answers.)

Posted by: Mr. Market | Oct 15 2023 17:13 utc | 76

…indominatable…

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 17:15 utc | 77

…indominatable…

Posted by: juliania | Oct 15 2023 17:15 utc | 78

Thanks b, for the especially dense post & links today! What would a war between Gaza and Israel be without terrorist threats at those places famous for clashes between followers of the Torah and the Qur’an, the Louvre and Versailles. Crooke said in that video that the Mizrahi Jews who recently rose to power in the government are the Oriental Jews, from the Middle East and North Africa. Is there a war between the US and France in there??
Anyhow. I looked at Macron’s X/Twitter account and found his address to the nation from Oct. 12. I thought this section was of note (from the English transcript):
“A first chartered flight will land in Paris tonight. Other flights are planned in the coming hours and days, and we have stepped up our resources to provide support on the ground to the almost 200,000 French citizens who currently live in Israel. We stand with you and we continue to stand with you.
I know that many of you are worried about a tragic spiral of violence in the region. I have spoken several times with Israeli President Isaac Herzog and with his Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. I have also spoken at length with the main leaders of the region’s countries, with those of the Palestinian Authority, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. We and our European and American partners share the same priorities: providing strong and comprehensive support to Israel, preventing the conflict from spreading to neighbouring countries, particularly Lebanon, and coordinating international humanitarian efforts.”
France stands with Lebanon? A red line? He also brought up Armenia earlier in his speech, which I think may place him at odds with whomever created the Kardashians. And Morocco gets no mention, by virtue of being in North Africa, but I can imagine further red lines appearing.
According the Elijah Magnier,
“#France, #Qatar and the #US are informed of the high potentiality for the northern Israeli front to escalate rapidly in the next hours. Let’s see if #Israel will go ahead with its plan of the ground attack on #Gaza.”
“#Hezbollah fired 30 missiles, rockets and guided missiles in the last hour against Israeli positions on the borders. If #Israel bombs #Beirut, Hezbollah said it will bomb Tel Aviv. This is where the battle escalates into a war.”
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1713578778763370643

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 15 2023 17:15 utc | 79

Thanks b, for the especially dense post & links today! What would a war between Gaza and Israel be without terrorist threats at those places famous for clashes between followers of the Torah and the Qur’an, the Louvre and Versailles. Crooke said in that video that the Mizrahi Jews who recently rose to power in the government are the Oriental Jews, from the Middle East and North Africa. Is there a war between the US and France in there??
Anyhow. I looked at Macron’s X/Twitter account and found his address to the nation from Oct. 12. I thought this section was of note (from the English transcript):
“A first chartered flight will land in Paris tonight. Other flights are planned in the coming hours and days, and we have stepped up our resources to provide support on the ground to the almost 200,000 French citizens who currently live in Israel. We stand with you and we continue to stand with you.
I know that many of you are worried about a tragic spiral of violence in the region. I have spoken several times with Israeli President Isaac Herzog and with his Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. I have also spoken at length with the main leaders of the region’s countries, with those of the Palestinian Authority, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. We and our European and American partners share the same priorities: providing strong and comprehensive support to Israel, preventing the conflict from spreading to neighbouring countries, particularly Lebanon, and coordinating international humanitarian efforts.”
France stands with Lebanon? A red line? He also brought up Armenia earlier in his speech, which I think may place him at odds with whomever created the Kardashians. And Morocco gets no mention, by virtue of being in North Africa, but I can imagine further red lines appearing.
According the Elijah Magnier,
“#France, #Qatar and the #US are informed of the high potentiality for the northern Israeli front to escalate rapidly in the next hours. Let’s see if #Israel will go ahead with its plan of the ground attack on #Gaza.”
“#Hezbollah fired 30 missiles, rockets and guided missiles in the last hour against Israeli positions on the borders. If #Israel bombs #Beirut, Hezbollah said it will bomb Tel Aviv. This is where the battle escalates into a war.”
https://x.com/ejmalrai/status/1713578778763370643

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 15 2023 17:15 utc | 80

……200,000 French citizens who currently live in Israel……
Abandon ship

Posted by: Exile | Oct 15 2023 17:20 utc | 81

……200,000 French citizens who currently live in Israel……
Abandon ship

Posted by: Exile | Oct 15 2023 17:20 utc | 82

WSJ = Neocons

Posted by: Mr. Market | Oct 15 2023 17:31 utc | 83

WSJ = Neocons

Posted by: Mr. Market | Oct 15 2023 17:31 utc | 84

So… in Germany protesting against war crimes and holding Israel accountable to international law is ‘anti-Semitic’ and illegal now:
https://twitter.com/OverseasPTI_PAK/status/1713599559996522809?t=2AlWcRUiYFPYsmcMgcnf9Q&s=19
Berlin, a city of 3.7 Million, literally has over half a million Turks, Arabs or other ethnicity who will strongly support Palestinians and be hostile to Israel. Goes without saying, in nearly all cases it will have nothing to do with Judaism, hating Jews for being Jewish, and everything to do with justice and concern for humanity.
How long do the authorities expect to gaslight the population and get away with it? Have they not learned a thing by what just happened in Israel, about the consequences of denying people the right to protest peacefully?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 15 2023 17:32 utc | 85

So… in Germany protesting against war crimes and holding Israel accountable to international law is ‘anti-Semitic’ and illegal now:
https://twitter.com/OverseasPTI_PAK/status/1713599559996522809?t=2AlWcRUiYFPYsmcMgcnf9Q&s=19
Berlin, a city of 3.7 Million, literally has over half a million Turks, Arabs or other ethnicity who will strongly support Palestinians and be hostile to Israel. Goes without saying, in nearly all cases it will have nothing to do with Judaism, hating Jews for being Jewish, and everything to do with justice and concern for humanity.
How long do the authorities expect to gaslight the population and get away with it? Have they not learned a thing by what just happened in Israel, about the consequences of denying people the right to protest peacefully?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 15 2023 17:32 utc | 86

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 15 2023 16:51 utc | 31
uh how did South Africa get nukes?
—-

From the 1960s to the 1990s, South Africa pursued research into weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear,[2] biological, and chemical weapons under the apartheid government. Six nuclear weapons were assembled.[3] South African strategy was, if political and military instability in Southern Africa became unmanageable, to conduct a nuclear weapon test in a location such as the Kalahari desert, where an underground testing site had been prepared, to demonstrate its capability and resolve—and thereby highlight the peril of intensified conflict in the region—and then invite a larger power such as the United States to intervene.[4]
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

There was a controversial report from a Vela satelite about a nuclear explosion detected in the southern Indian Ocean.

The Vela incident was an unidentified double flash of light detected by an American Vela Hotel satellite on 22 September 1979 near the South African territory of Prince Edward Islands in the Indian Ocean, roughly midway between Africa and Antarctica. Today, most independent researchers believe that the flash was caused by a nuclear explosion[1][2][3]—an undeclared joint nuclear test carried out by South Africa and Israel.[4][5]
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

Posted by: john brewster | Oct 15 2023 17:42 utc | 87

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 15 2023 16:51 utc | 31
uh how did South Africa get nukes?
—-

From the 1960s to the 1990s, South Africa pursued research into weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear,[2] biological, and chemical weapons under the apartheid government. Six nuclear weapons were assembled.[3] South African strategy was, if political and military instability in Southern Africa became unmanageable, to conduct a nuclear weapon test in a location such as the Kalahari desert, where an underground testing site had been prepared, to demonstrate its capability and resolve—and thereby highlight the peril of intensified conflict in the region—and then invite a larger power such as the United States to intervene.[4]
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

There was a controversial report from a Vela satelite about a nuclear explosion detected in the southern Indian Ocean.

The Vela incident was an unidentified double flash of light detected by an American Vela Hotel satellite on 22 September 1979 near the South African territory of Prince Edward Islands in the Indian Ocean, roughly midway between Africa and Antarctica. Today, most independent researchers believe that the flash was caused by a nuclear explosion[1][2][3]—an undeclared joint nuclear test carried out by South Africa and Israel.[4][5]
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident

Posted by: john brewster | Oct 15 2023 17:42 utc | 88

Australia update:
Australia held a national referendum on Saturday Oct 14 over a constitutional change championed by the incumbent ALP government. The referendum asked Australians to enshrine the Indigenous (Aboriginal) people as a special category of inhabitant and thereby empower them with a special consultative body (the ‘Voice’) overseeing all legislation which might impact that group. The full breakdown results can be found here, but in summary the country voted ‘No’ (61%) against ‘Yes’ (39%). This was a very divisive issue; the result was as much a rejection of woke posturing by inner city affluent classes (where ‘Yes’ was in the majority) as it was a rejection of the idea that the constitution should privilege a community defined by race. On the other hand, the Aboriginal people have been the victims of terrible injustices so for many the rejection of Yes was a stab in the back for a vulnerable group.
The PM, Anthony Albanese, should take the blame for a shocking failure of leadership. He tried to make a moral question political and completely misread the mood of the nation. Australians are tired of hypocrisy. We were asked to grant new rights to indigenous peoples on the very day the PM endorsed Israel’s decision to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its original people. The whole event was rightly seen as asking for yet another layer of bureaucratic managerialism which arguably would not have helped the real plight of Aboriginals one bit.
Anyway, I could go on about why the whole thing was a virtue-signalling catastrophe that has divided the country further when, if properly framed, it might have done the opposite. The world’s political classes need to be purged.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 15 2023 17:45 utc | 89

Australia update:
Australia held a national referendum on Saturday Oct 14 over a constitutional change championed by the incumbent ALP government. The referendum asked Australians to enshrine the Indigenous (Aboriginal) people as a special category of inhabitant and thereby empower them with a special consultative body (the ‘Voice’) overseeing all legislation which might impact that group. The full breakdown results can be found here, but in summary the country voted ‘No’ (61%) against ‘Yes’ (39%). This was a very divisive issue; the result was as much a rejection of woke posturing by inner city affluent classes (where ‘Yes’ was in the majority) as it was a rejection of the idea that the constitution should privilege a community defined by race. On the other hand, the Aboriginal people have been the victims of terrible injustices so for many the rejection of Yes was a stab in the back for a vulnerable group.
The PM, Anthony Albanese, should take the blame for a shocking failure of leadership. He tried to make a moral question political and completely misread the mood of the nation. Australians are tired of hypocrisy. We were asked to grant new rights to indigenous peoples on the very day the PM endorsed Israel’s decision to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its original people. The whole event was rightly seen as asking for yet another layer of bureaucratic managerialism which arguably would not have helped the real plight of Aboriginals one bit.
Anyway, I could go on about why the whole thing was a virtue-signalling catastrophe that has divided the country further when, if properly framed, it might have done the opposite. The world’s political classes need to be purged.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 15 2023 17:45 utc | 90

Posted by: john brewster | Oct 15 2023 17:42 utc | 44
yeah Hersh had a story that Vela incident was the third such test, not a story the US government wanted to be published. point is, Israel had nukes. did it give them up? im 100% convinced they did not.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 15 2023 17:49 utc | 91

Posted by: john brewster | Oct 15 2023 17:42 utc | 44
yeah Hersh had a story that Vela incident was the third such test, not a story the US government wanted to be published. point is, Israel had nukes. did it give them up? im 100% convinced they did not.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 15 2023 17:49 utc | 92

common sense tells me that if Pakistan can get the bomb, Isreal could get the bomb. being deceptive does not mean they are bad at science. quite a few jewish scientists worked on the atomic bomb.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 15 2023 17:52 utc | 93

common sense tells me that if Pakistan can get the bomb, Isreal could get the bomb. being deceptive does not mean they are bad at science. quite a few jewish scientists worked on the atomic bomb.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 15 2023 17:52 utc | 94

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 15 2023 17:45 utc | 45
Terra nullius will out: Finders keepers, losers weepers!
Referendum question and constitutional amendment
Other than that, rejecting another political division, or as the yerpeans say “subnational” eNTitITy, among other states represented in parliament is kind of petty. At least US Americans pretend to respect “tribal government”.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 18:03 utc | 95

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 15 2023 17:45 utc | 45
Terra nullius will out: Finders keepers, losers weepers!
Referendum question and constitutional amendment
Other than that, rejecting another political division, or as the yerpeans say “subnational” eNTitITy, among other states represented in parliament is kind of petty. At least US Americans pretend to respect “tribal government”.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 18:03 utc | 96

Xymphora’s October 15 post titled “Stepped Into a Trap” is particularly interesting. It contains a link to Gilad Atzmon’s Facebook page in which Atzmon claims that “Israel” has been shocked by the Western Public’s negative response to its vicious Gaza escapade.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 18:14 utc | 97

Xymphora’s October 15 post titled “Stepped Into a Trap” is particularly interesting. It contains a link to Gilad Atzmon’s Facebook page in which Atzmon claims that “Israel” has been shocked by the Western Public’s negative response to its vicious Gaza escapade.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 15 2023 18:14 utc | 98

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 18:03 utc | 48
The reasons why the ‘No’ vote succeeded cannot be boiled down to a petty reaction to political division, although I understand that view. ‘No’ voters were a basket of different, often opposing, positions, from conservatives (“don’t tinker with the constitution!”), to racists, the ill-educated, resentful working-class (“They get handouts already!”), immigrants (“we have no stake in Anglo guilt expiation”) and the far Left (“don’t enshrine identity politics in the constitution when the class struggle is the cause of their plight!”). ‘Yes’ voters on the other hand were fairly uniformly the professional-managerial classes who live in the affluent inner city suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne, uni students and young urbanites. For me the main hypocrisy was that ‘Yes’ voters confidently knew that there were zero consequences in voting Yes. If the referendum had been about granting real powers that affected the financial or political position of Australia’s professional-managerial classes, or asked sacrifices of them, they would have voted No in droves. The Yes vote was woke posturing which offered cheap virtue-signalling cynically knowing full well that the result would not result in real restitution, political power or compensation for our indigenous people. What they need is their own state, but that will not ever happen. A yes victory would have been a major disappointment for them but a warm and fuzzy feel good moment for smug wokists, which is what it boiled down to I’m afraid.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 15 2023 18:29 utc | 99

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 15 2023 18:03 utc | 48
The reasons why the ‘No’ vote succeeded cannot be boiled down to a petty reaction to political division, although I understand that view. ‘No’ voters were a basket of different, often opposing, positions, from conservatives (“don’t tinker with the constitution!”), to racists, the ill-educated, resentful working-class (“They get handouts already!”), immigrants (“we have no stake in Anglo guilt expiation”) and the far Left (“don’t enshrine identity politics in the constitution when the class struggle is the cause of their plight!”). ‘Yes’ voters on the other hand were fairly uniformly the professional-managerial classes who live in the affluent inner city suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne, uni students and young urbanites. For me the main hypocrisy was that ‘Yes’ voters confidently knew that there were zero consequences in voting Yes. If the referendum had been about granting real powers that affected the financial or political position of Australia’s professional-managerial classes, or asked sacrifices of them, they would have voted No in droves. The Yes vote was woke posturing which offered cheap virtue-signalling cynically knowing full well that the result would not result in real restitution, political power or compensation for our indigenous people. What they need is their own state, but that will not ever happen. A yes victory would have been a major disappointment for them but a warm and fuzzy feel good moment for smug wokists, which is what it boiled down to I’m afraid.

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 15 2023 18:29 utc | 100