The zionists attacked a column of palestinians, killing many. Is stupid europe ready for another million refugees?
https://t.me/Tatarinov_R/21557

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 14 2023 13:51 utc | 3

that particular tale was pretty exemplary of what they expect to be able to get away with. And in a country with such tight constraints on the free exchange of actual, honest information, works a treat, in their minds. The Organ plays on.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Oct 14 2023 13:53 utc | 5

Western MSM are experts in the so-called ‘copy and paste’ template news. Mostly computer-driven generated news without regards for veracity and accuracy. This is Ukraine 2.0 – another US proxy war.

Posted by: AI | Oct 14 2023 13:55 utc | 7

Speaking of ridiculous propaganda.
https://t.me/milinfolive/108510

An IDF drone films the launch of Hamas rockets into Israel.
Subsequently, an airstrike is carried out at the launch site.

I guarantee there was nothing at those launch sites except for what you can see in the following photograph (note the clockwork timers):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket#/media/File:Flickr_-_Israel_Defense_Forces_-_Eight_Qassam_Launchers_in_Gaza.jpg

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2023 14:01 utc | 9

Herr Kern: keep thinking with basis on the standards of western superiority ideas of today.
The era of Asia will teach you a few things in case you survive stupidity of current germany.

Posted by: augusto | Oct 14 2023 14:01 utc | 11

@2 Otto Kern
Well they’d be a lot more viable if Israel gave back all the Westbank land it has stolen.
What right has Israel to take that land ?. None, it’s a question of force. But if you insist on using force against 2.3 million civilians, you can expect trouble.

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Oct 14 2023 14:07 utc | 13

Well, that makes sense of the current Egyptian border exit requirements:
“Only 500 and only those 500 with USA/Palestinian passports. “ Guessing Egypt not having it.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 14 2023 14:10 utc | 15

-B- another battle for narratives, as all vids surface of Israeli indiscriminate attacks & war crimes, hitting schools ect, the “whataboutism” is their “go to” card. It’s a poor sell in my mind, but the whole thing, the PR campaign hasn’t changed in 40 years.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 14 2023 14:16 utc | 17

That graphic is brilliant, thanks.

Posted by: ikester8 | Oct 14 2023 14:18 utc | 19

Living in the “West,” consuming what passes for mainstream media in the West, it would be almost as hard to understand the motives and methods of the Jewish Fighting Organization in 1943 by reading Nazi propaganda as it would be to understand Hamas today through the western media’s distorted lens.
We can start with where they start the narrative. Very predictably, because their narratives always start the same way. It always begins with “Hamas launched an attack.”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/10/09/the-gaza-ghetto-uprising/

Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 14 2023 14:21 utc | 21

Good news from the SKWAWKBOX socialist website.
Huge displays of solidarity and defiance in London and around the UK
“Hundreds of thousands have flooded the streets of London, Liverpool, Glasgow and other cities around the UK to support Palestinians and call for an end to Israel’s genocide in Gaza – and to defy the political establishment’s attempt to ban displays of solidarity with oppressed Palestinians.
“Home Secretary Suella Braverman has told police forces to treat even the wearing or showing of the Palestinian flag as a criminal act to avoid offending Israel’s extreme-right government and those who support it – and some have already been arrested – but the mass gatherings are challenging the state’s contempt for humanity and human rights, with footage showing a sea of people, many carrying Palestine flags and representations of them:
“The French have shown similar contempt for Macron’s ban on Palestinian symbols. Meanwhile, Germany has disgracefully made the Palestinian freedom slogan, ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ a criminal offence, despite Israel’s apparent plan, as former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has observed, to obliterate Gaza.
“The Starmeroid Labour party ‘opposition’, meanwhile, has sided unequivocally with the oppressors and their apartheid regime, backing Israel’s ‘right’ to commit war crimes against Palestinians – and has banned MPs from participating in pro-Palestinian demos..”
Link to videos:
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/10/14/video-mass-demos-defy-flag-ban-to-march-in-support-of-palestinians/

Posted by: bevin | Oct 14 2023 14:23 utc | 23

According to Johannes Steizinger, “human animals” was a term frequently used by the Nazi race theorists about Jews, Slavs, gypsies, and blacks, who held that “only some groups of people “groups of people meet the metaphysical criterion of being human. Members of these groups are considered as essentially and hence fully human. However, other groups are reduced to the biological sense of being human. They simply lack the metaphysical essence of humanity and are thus characterized as human animals. These creatures are human only from the naturalistic point of view, but not human from a metaphysical point of view. Thus, they are regarded as subhumans who are not fully human.” (Johnannes Steizinger, The Significance of Dehumanization: Nazi Ideology and Its Psychological Consequences, 2018.)

Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 14 2023 14:24 utc | 25

IMO, this whole thing would come to a swifter conclusion if we always replace the words Israel and Zionism (and their derivatives) with the word Jew or Jewish. Rip off the band-aid hiding the truth.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 14 2023 14:31 utc | 27

hedlykarok@13
You are right. It was also used by the SS veteran and hero of the political caste Yaroslav Hunka who, in his memoirs, described the Russians as “beasts with red stars on their foreheads.”
The animal nature of slavs has become a policy of the EU in recent months. Folowing Ukrainian nationalist propaganda, all derived from Goebbels fertile brain, they have agreed upon the shorthand that animals live in the wild jungle wheras mankind inhabits a garden.
Which is precisely the formulation that Ariel Sharon employed to justify massacring Palestinian ‘animals.’

Posted by: bevin | Oct 14 2023 14:33 utc | 29

Posted by: bevin | Oct 14 2023 14:23 utc | 12
Yes, I’m delighted (and not surprised) that the ban on pro-Palestinian demonstrations has been ignored, with very large numbers at the UK demos at least.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 14 2023 14:35 utc | 31

Carve out a piece of land between Germany and Poland and give the surviving European Jews back the lands and property stolen from them by Germany, France and Poland.
Europe owes European Jews, not the residents of Palestine.
Somehow Europe has embraced and sheltered Mohamed’s followers and rejected the self-described Chosen People. What Europe (and Britain) say and what they do are exact opposites.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 14 2023 14:39 utc | 33

Europe owes European Jews, not the residents of Palestine.
Posted by: kupkee | Oct 14 2023 14:39 utc | 17
We owe them nothing.

Posted by: Tichy | Oct 14 2023 14:41 utc | 35

What could be the Israeli ground operation in the Gaza Strip: Part 1
If the Israeli leadership decides to launch a ground operation, the IDF will have to choose between a bad and very bad scenario.
Will there be a ground operation?
A large-scale ground operation is one possible scenario, but it is not at all certain that it will be chosen. Perhaps the Israeli leadership will choose a less radical option with the establishment of a complete blockade of the enclave and private operations to destroy identified Hamas militants and free the hostages.
Why is a ground operation necessary?
It may be required for physical control of the territory of the Palestinian enclave, without which it is impossible to destroy the personnel and infrastructure of the Hamas movement. Carrying out these tasks without the presence of ground forces “on the ground” is impossible. However, deciding on a large-scale ground operation is not easy for many reasons.
Which ones?
First, Israel will have to fight in a super-urbanized area of ​​365 square meters. km, where more than 2 million people live in dense urban areas. This environment minimizes the IDF’s advantages in reconnaissance, aviation, and heavy equipment.
Secondly, after a series of Israeli airstrikes on Gaza, a significant number of residents are ready to join the ranks of Hamas. In fact, the Islamists sit on a huge and well-motivated mobilization reserve. According to various estimates, from 250 thousand to 600 thousand Palestinians of different ages could take up arms in Gaza.
Thirdly, the IDF forces, despite the concentration of forces, have not yet encountered active opposition from well-armed groups. Apparently, Israel needed the mobilization of 320 thousand people to respond to possible attempts at external intervention and take into account the potential involvement in the conflict of Hezbollah, the IRGC, as well as Muslim volunteers from neighboring countries – Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Syria, and Iraq.
If additional troops and weapons arrive from these countries to fight on the side of the Palestinians, the current level of mobilization may not be enough for Israel.
Fourthly, the death of high-ranking officers of the Golani and Nahal ground brigades, along with their personnel, showed that Israel is only partially prepared for large-scale, and especially urban, battles. The training of reservists and even regular forces is uneven, and not all units are ready for active combat operations. This is evidenced, for example, by repeated cases of “friendly fire” between units of Israeli security forces that have been recorded in recent days. At the same time, the Israeli army does not have time for additional training and combat coordination of the mobilized.
What could this lead to?
The ground battle for Gaza will be neither easy nor quick. Everyone, including Tel Aviv, understands this well. The operation will require Israel to attract significant resources – human, material, and political.
In addition, the ground operation will most likely be extremely bloody. It is now difficult to predict the level of losses, but the experience of the battles of the US Army for Mosul or the Syrian Army for Aleppo suggests that we will be talking about tens of thousands of killed and wounded.
However, it should be emphasized that Israel has historically been more sensitive to losses than its opponents. There is a possibility that a protracted operation coupled with high casualties could hurt public and political support.
A detailed analysis of the features of the IDF operation in the Gaza Strip will come soon in the second part of the analysis.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/68139

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2023 14:44 utc | 37

What could be the Israeli ground operation in the Gaza Strip: Part 2.
The difficulties that the Israeli army may encounter in the future may leave their mark on the conduct of the ground operation.
Is the Israeli army ready to fight in the city?
In the first part we touched on the general conditions of a ground operation; now it is necessary to analyze the terrain and conditions in which the IDF and Hamas will have to operate against each other.
A significant portion of IDF soldiers and reservists have not been trained to fight in an urban environment, or this training is no longer sufficient. For example, under normal conditions, IDF soldiers expect their flanks to be covered, a secure rear, and stable communications with command and neighboring units. However, in urban battles such conditions will not exist. In the case of the IDF, units prepared for operations in urban areas can be found in the YAMAM police special forces and other anti-terrorism groups, but for the most part, the IDF is poorly prepared for a full-scale war in the city.
The psychological factor is no less important. Any window, any piece of concrete, or passage can be a source of danger. Using the example of the failure of the Delta special forces in Somalia, as well as the US Army’s battles for Mosul or Fallujah in Iraq, it has been proven that soldiers quickly get tired of constant stress and can break down psychologically.
It is necessary to prepare for battles in such conditions, both individually and collectively. The Israeli army does not have such massive training, and there was nowhere for it to appear, since operations of this scale had not been planned for many years.
What are the features of battles in an urban environment?
Urban combat is three- and even four-dimensional. Every soldier must expect that an attack will come not only from the front, rear, or flanks but also from above or below. In addition, by indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza Strip, the IDF created (or at least aggravated) another problem – it increased the motivation of the local population for armed struggle. While in Iraq, Syria, or Afghanistan the armies had to deal with neutral rather than hostile populations in the theater of operations, in Gaza the vast majority of the population is radically opposed to Israel. This, in turn, means that there will be no safe zones for the IDF, and Hamas will have eyes, ears, and fighters everywhere.
How will the terrain affect the battles?
If a ground operation were to begin, the IDF would have to operate in dense residential areas, which would significantly limit maneuver. But the destroyed city complicates it even more.
In such conditions, it will no longer be possible to bring a mechanized brigade into the destroyed street, since it will have nowhere to turn around. This means that the main combat operations will have to be carried out by assault groups – sometimes with the support of armored vehicles, sometimes with the support of aviation or artillery. But the advantages of the mass of equipment, the advantages of high-precision weapons, and the advantages of air surveillance in this case will be practically reduced to nothing.
Hamas, on the contrary, has a developed network of communications on the ground and underground in Gaza. Given that the movement’s members operate on their own territory, as well as the knowledge of communications and the support of the population, Hamas will be able to maneuver its forces relatively easily and strike where they are not expected.
In addition, Hamas strikes on Israel have shown that small drones, suicide bombers, a variety of anti-tank weapons, and mines/IEDs can quickly be included in an attack pattern. Even physically clearing a sector of all living things does not guarantee its safety: enemy groups can, for example, reach the rear through underground communications or disappear among civilians and carry out a series of terrorist attacks.
It is important to understand that Hamas has significant reserves of fuel, weapons, food, medicine, and ammunition. They will suffer the least from the bombing, which means that Israeli actions, if not useless, then have minimal impact on the enemy.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/68141

Posted by: Down South | Oct 14 2023 14:45 utc | 39

Israel started a big propaganda offensive on Youtube. Before every video I like to watch, I see one of their propaganda clips: https://www.youtube.com/@IsraelMFA/videos

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 14 2023 14:46 utc | 41

There’s a demo in Paris this afternoon. The MSM say several hundred, quite a lot according to the video, with a kid being arrested for waving a Palestinian flag. The problem in France is that a high-school teacher was stabbed to death on Friday, apparently by a Muslim Chechen, and they’re all concentrating on that rather than Palestine. Though of course it’s being picked on as a Hamas supporter, it seems that the former pupil had some personal grievances, and it’s nothing to do with Gaza.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 14 2023 14:47 utc | 43

The great Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk wrote a piece for The Independent in 2018 to mark the passing of Uri Avnery just before his 95th birthday. Avnery had been born in Germany but his family emigrated to Brisih Mandate Palestine in 1933 after the Nazis came to power. He had been a member of the Irgun paramilitary (Zionist terrorist group) form age 15-19. He had fought in the Israeli army in the 1948 Israeli-Arab war. He had been a journalist, writer, politician (Knesset member), and peace activist. The standout quote from the article is the following, which I don’t recall reading previously, and which seems extremely relevant to today’s situation:

“I will tell you something about the Holocaust. It would be nice to believe that people who have undergone suffering have been purified by suffering. But it’s the opposite, it makes them worse. It corrupts. There is something in suffering that creates a kind of egoism. Herzog [the Israeli president at the time] was speaking at the site of the concentration camp at Bergen-Belsen but he spoke only about the Jews. How could he not mention that others – many others – had suffered there? Sick people, when they are in pain, cannot speak about anyone but themselves. And when such monstrous things have happened to your people, you feel nothing can be compared to it. You get a moral “power of attorney”, a permit to do anything you want – because nothing can compare to what has happened to us. This is a moral immunity which is very clearly felt in Israel.”

Posted by: tawharanui | Oct 14 2023 14:47 utc | 45

It is somewhat amazing how low the quality of western propaganda has become. Especially when it relates to hobbyhorses like Israel.
– b
counterpoint:
First, a disagreement about “western propaganda”. The global propaganda system has (as in Covid) moved in remarkable lockstep down to identical phrasing in various languages e.g. “social distancing” and “vaccines”.
Second, feigned incompetence is a viable tactic and can not be dismissed.
Three, unity of factions in the “West” is not a given and can not be unquestionably assumed,
Four, Multiplicity of goals in a given operation is not unheard of, nor beyond the capabilities of what, after all, is a highly successful and well trained propaganda infrastructure, and resources.
Conclusion: Israel is being boxed by the actual planet controllers — note the muted propaganda fight _in_ the western “propaganda” regarding “leaked intellgence” “Egypt” and Netanyahu. This is because the current power faction in Israel is [drums] … TALMUDIC.
Where as the Global controllers are Satanic. A somewhat important distinction that does, apparently, needs to be made.

Posted by: robinthehood | Oct 14 2023 14:53 utc | 47

This is why you don’t listen to what people say about themselves but instead watch what they do. If it’s true for people, it’s imperitive when dealing with blood lusting imperialists and their satellites, like Israel.
The killing kids thing is so salacious and unlikely that anyone who knows anything about Israel should immediately reject the idea until real evidence is presented.
The Israeli media propaganda against the Palestinian people is an echo of the anti Jewish propaganda used by the Nazis and white Russians after 1917. Once again, it seems they crassly imitate their former persecutors.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 14 2023 14:53 utc | 49

Posted by: bevin | Oct 14 2023 14:23 utc | 12
Blighty’s owner-operators can’t seem to get enough of stuffing its increasingly degenerate government with Wallace & Gromit extras.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2023 14:57 utc | 51

Fun quotes by Zionists:
1. “It is impossible for a man to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his own. …We shall never allow such things as mixed marriage because the preservation of national integrity is impossible except by means of racial purity and for that purpose we will have this territory where our people will constitute the racially pure inhabitants.”
(Vladimir Jabotinsky)
2. “The deepest layers of our being are determined by our blood; our innermost thinking and our will are colored by it.”
(Martin Buber)
3. “Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad is rooted in present needs, in future hopes of far profounder import than the desires of the 700,000 plus Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land”
(Arthur Balfour)
4. “A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice except to expel that population.”
(Benny Morris)
5. “We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state. Instead of Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You do not even know the names of those villages, and I don’t blame you because the villages no longer exist. There is not a single settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab village.”
(Moshe Dayan, 1969)
6. “If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Israel, then I would opt for the second alternative.”
( David Ben-Gurion)

Posted by: Dosamuno | Oct 14 2023 14:57 utc | 53

Down South | Oct 14 2023 14:45 utc | 20
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/68141

“What are the features of battles in an urban environment?
Urban combat is three- and even four-dimensional. Every soldier must expect that an attack will come not only from the front, rear, or flanks but also from above or below. In addition, by indiscriminate bombing of the Gaza Strip, the IDF created another problem…
How will the terrain affect the battles?
If a ground operation were to begin, the IDF would have to operate in dense residential areas, which would significantly limit maneuver. But the destroyed city complicates it even more.
In such conditions, it will no longer be possible to bring a mechanized brigade into the destroyed street, since it will have nowhere to turn around. This means that the main combat operations will have to be carried out by assault groups – sometimes with the support of armored vehicles, sometimes with the support of aviation or artillery. But the advantages of the mass of equipment, the advantages of high-precision weapons, and the advantages of air surveillance in this case will be practically reduced to nothing.
Hamas, on the contrary, has a developed network of communications on the ground and underground in Gaza. Given that the movement’s members operate on their own territory, as well as the knowledge of communications and the support of the population, Hamas will be able to maneuver its forces relatively easily and strike where they are not expected.”

It’s looking to become just like Stalingrad, simultaneous with the Hezbollah rocket barrage shattering the Zionist cities. I don’t see why anyone assumes this is gonna be a cakewalk for the Zionists, especially since their reservists have no belly for it.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 14 2023 15:08 utc | 55

Where as the Global controllers are Satanic. A somewhat important distinction that does, apparently, needs to be made.
Posted by: robinthehood | Oct 14 2023 14:53 utc | 24
I’m not sure you need to conjure Satan to explain why a dying empire of war mongers and billionaire oligarchs would seek the deaths of millions of innocents to desperately seek to retain their dominion over the globe.
You know it’s happened at least twice before?
Their actions are anti social and anti human, revolting, murderous, etc. Nonetheless, evil deeds are merely the vehicle for a material goal: undermine the rising middle east, Russia, China and any other nation/region that joins them against US imperialism.
Also, it is unquestionable that Israel has tremendous influence over US imperialism and has successfully via AIPAC directed US imperialism’s foreign policy to it’s benefit. War on Iraq in 2003 is probably the most glaring example.
For more recent examples just look at the bipartisan, uniform, blind loyalty to the state of Israel amongst the political/media elite of the US.
You should read this book by Mershheimer: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy https://g.co/kgs/CkYMuA

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 14 2023 15:08 utc | 57

Blighty’s owner-operators can’t seem to get enough of stuffing its increasingly degenerate government with Wallace & Gromit extras.
Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2023 14:57 utc | 26
That is the best single sentence description of the privatized west I have ever seen. London and New York. The two competing financial centers of the world that also operate together to form a cartel.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2023 15:10 utc | 59

Down south –
Thanks for posting that overview of the military question re: invasion of Gaza.
My thoughts:
1) Hamas says they have 500km of tunnels
2) Hamas has prepared since before 2014
3) Likud can’t afford a war lasting more than a few weeks for a host of reasons
4) IDF conscripts versus Haredim refuseniks is a big theme in Israeli society.
Conclusion – Hamas will do everything possible to drag this out for a long long time. The longer the IDF is engaged in battles with Hamas shoot & shoot teams the more divisions in Israeli society will grow, plus the more likely for other forces to join the fight against the IDF. Hamas has gamed all of this out.
I’m gonna guess that Hamas will have prepared for a extraordinarily long siege – akin to the Siege of Leningrad. 2 years.
What’s the IDF response ?
Likely a starve ‘em out scenario, with the addition of long range arty and carpet bombing. Keep it a low key attack

Posted by: Exile | Oct 14 2023 15:12 utc | 61

Replying to post 20:
How is it that you refer to Gazan defense or counterattacks against the invading IDF as terrorist attacks? WTF

Posted by: Pym of Nantucket | Oct 14 2023 15:15 utc | 63

Now all the pieces of Hamas’s Hitlerism are falling into place just as in an Agatha Christie movie. And yet I do wonder if these detailed confessions of Hamas’s, just like their glitzy video documentation of their bloodthirsty attack, are not very much like Hollywood props & plot devices, during which the supervillain candidly confesses his plans for unleashing chaos upon the world and/or world domination to James Bond, or, in this case, Netanyahu Bond (alias Oct 007).

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 14 2023 15:16 utc | 65

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 14 2023 15:10 utc | 30
Too kind, what a world =)

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 14 2023 15:16 utc | 67

Egypt has to play ball? Egypt has and doesn’t want anything to do with this. Who do the Israelis think they are pushing another country to deal with a problem of their own creation? No wonder many people don’t have any respect for them.

Posted by: Jose Garcia | Oct 14 2023 15:19 utc | 69

Ah yes, of course.
Terrorist tip 137:
Make sure every militant in your high-risk raid, has a highly detailed (and uncoded) written list of the entire operation and objectives. Also make sure it’s labelled “Top Secret” in big red letters.
Or was that tip 136, I’m not sure…

Posted by: Urban Fox | Oct 14 2023 15:21 utc | 71

“the Berlin public prosecutor’s office has criminalized the use of the phrase “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”
So, there’s the forbidden battle cry. Commit it to memory and speak it to any genocidal pro Israel maniac you encounter. Vandals, make yourself useful and spray paint this on every wall in the west!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 14 2023 15:21 utc | 73

@Apollyon | Oct 14 2023 14:46 utc | 21

Israel started a big propaganda offensive on Youtube. Before every video I like to watch, I see one of their propaganda clips: “>https://www.youtube.com/@IsraelMFA/videos

Use the Brave Browser and you see zero Youtube ads by default. I have yet to see a YouTube ad, and I watch many.

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 14 2023 15:24 utc | 75

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 14 2023 15:08 utc | 29
I wrote earlier about the importance of control of the mind for rule. Activities of Zionist mind control have always -only- been applied in USA, as far as I am aware. Identity between “USA” and the long running empire is an error, imo.
Given the nature of the regimes that (apparently) oppose “empire” (but insist on asserting a false identity between that and a specific nation-state) the promise of “multi-polar” world will not usher in an age of sanity. It simply is a progression along the march towards global governance.
USA stands, legally and structurally, in the path of actual Global Goverment. This was obvious as far back as 9/11. We know based on the events of 9/11 operation that near-peer powers *must* have been colluding with elements within US security means or possibly had penetrated it.
It is 9/11 that -forced- USA to embark on a path of (obvious) madness and lose its perch of “Hyperpower” that it enjoyed since the fall of USSR.
USA was -forced- to respond in the manner it did. That was not the work of some Jihadis, I assure you.
Israel today is also being -forced- to respond in the manner it is doing. It will be dimished just as USA was diminished.
A Global Government with a Unifed World Religion. UFOs may or may not be involved in this show. Stay tuned.

Posted by: robinthehood | Oct 14 2023 15:25 utc | 77

Posted by: bevin | Oct 14 2023 14:23 utc | 12
Thanks for the link Bevin. It’s nice to see that not all citizens of the West are as pathetically supine as my fellow Americans.

Posted by: KMRIA | Oct 14 2023 15:32 utc | 79

It is somewhat amazing how low the quality of western propaganda has become.
– b
—
Quantity has a quality all its own.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 14 2023 15:33 utc | 81

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 14 2023 14:35 utc | 16
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Governments assume and depend upon compliance. IMO, that’s a big reason why men in the West have become soft, with bad diets, mindless entertainment, and pron. Dopamine-addicted and cowed men are easy to rule.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2023 15:33 utc | 83

Can someone wiser then me explain why Putin feels the need to make such , over the top, statements in regards to Israel ? I dont get it.
” Speaking after a press conference concluding his two-day visit to Kyrgyzstan on Friday, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that “Israel, of course, faced an unprecedented attack, which has never happened in history, and not only in scale, but also in the nature of its execution, in cruelty.”

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 14 2023 15:33 utc | 85

RE: Ludo | Oct 14 2023 15:16 utc | 33
Sure, it’s a movie.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 14 2023 15:34 utc | 87

Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 14 2023 14:24 utc | 13
Since I’ve lived a long time and been “around” I remember that Israelis and Zionist Jews in the USA usually got around, in private conversations, that not only are Arabs and, after the Shah was overthrown, Persians were not only animals but their culture was barbarian at best. To those of us who have studied history and enjoy music, art, poetry, and so on that notion is insane. But that’s the point of Nazism and Zionism (it’s amazing at how close the two have become) is to divide the world into an us and them. Many Zionists, for example, believe that non-Jews are not fully human which is why their young people in uniform have no problem with treating Palestinians badly. And it’s getting worse. Israel is now fully fascist despite the readers of Haaretz’s more liberal views. As many Nazis were proud of Western civilization including music, art (just not modern), literature, philosophy and so on they still maintained a brutal view of the “inferior” races including Poles and Russians who were not regarded as Europeans and thus deserving of respect.
I had a Jewish friend who was a brilliant and well-read who was a high government official in the Pentagon who was pleasant and liberal in every way but when Israel came up it was like he suddenly showed his fangs–reason departed and Hell took its place. These Zionists, many of whom are in powerful positions in the national security state, are not loyal to the USA but to Israel. Some in the blob agree with me privately but would never state that publicly.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 14 2023 15:39 utc | 89

We owe them nothing.
Posted by: Tichy | Oct 14 2023 14:41 utc | 18
Let us visit the archives to recall what tichy thinks is owed to Ukronazis.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 14 2023 15:45 utc | 91

Soon there will be a list of propaganda lies as it happened for the Ukraine threads.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 14 2023 15:45 utc | 93

Can someone wiser then me explain why Putin feels the need to make such , over the top, statements in regards to Israel ? I dont get it.
Posted by: Moonie | Oct 14 2023 15:33 utc | 43
Let see:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/UN_Palestine_Partition_Versions_1947.jpg
You might as well as “can someone please explain to me what sort of mad men drew up that map?”
My reading of the conflict — open to correction here — is that throughout this conflict there has always been the possibility for one or the other side to totally defeat the other side and end the conflict once and for all.
In each episode in this timeline, external powers make sure that it ends in a configuration that will insure continued conflict both as a physical and political reality in the middle east, as well as creating an emotionally charged psychological divide in humanity.
Raising the level of hate for demons can’t feed on love.

Posted by: robinthehood | Oct 14 2023 15:48 utc | 95

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 14 2023 15:08 utc | 29
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The use of the word Satan is important because, among believers, it’s the temptation to do evil. It’s to be constantly resisted and guarded against. It is that which leads people into degeneracy and self-destruction. The whispers that drive despair and atrocities.
As far as I am aware, atheists have no similar conception.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 14 2023 15:49 utc | 97

FYI propaganda is not just about fooling people. It can also be a statement of power: you WILL publicly accept that this is the care or you WILL be crushed – your personal beliefs don’t matter. Is pro-Israeli propaganda ‘foolish’ – or will it prove to be effective? Time will tell.
But I can’t wait for the United States to be used a dumping ground for all these Palestinians. Don’t laugh: there is a good chance that it’s coming. We solve Israel’s problem, and the rich get even more cheap labor, what’s not to like? And even the staunchest advocate of Palestinian rights might end up with a tiny tiny sliver of sympathy for the Israelis…

Posted by: TG | Oct 14 2023 15:51 utc | 99