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October 29, 2023
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Antonym you are right on that. But I was talking of the gaza snakeheads who are on charge of day to day ops. I think there is a hit coming also on the hamas operative living on taxpayermoneybin the UK who just got doxxed.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 3:20 utc | 601
Antonym you are right on that. But I was talking of the gaza snakeheads who are on charge of day to day ops. I think there is a hit coming also on the hamas operative living on taxpayermoneybin the UK who just got doxxed.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 3:20 utc | 602
@ Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:54 utc | 30
It has been very dry here too, with historical drought conditions. However, I planted hundreds of trees here in the 1970s which have provided a shelter of shorts for a small area, a small micro biosphere of sorts, The shade has been a so-called god send during the warmer months. We await future developments.May we all be supported by the great unknown, and whilst you may 00not believe in the dharmakaya or other such notions, we may all be beset with the furvor of kaRmic justice, no less!
Posted by: Suzan | Oct 30 2023 3:23 utc | 603
@ Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:54 utc | 30
It has been very dry here too, with historical drought conditions. However, I planted hundreds of trees here in the 1970s which have provided a shelter of shorts for a small area, a small micro biosphere of sorts, The shade has been a so-called god send during the warmer months. We await future developments.May we all be supported by the great unknown, and whilst you may 00not believe in the dharmakaya or other such notions, we may all be beset with the furvor of kaRmic justice, no less!
Posted by: Suzan | Oct 30 2023 3:23 utc | 604
About 20 were wiped out
And their names were released yesterday.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:43 utc | 297
By who? The Jewish liars in tel Aviv?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 3:41 utc | 607
About 20 were wiped out
And their names were released yesterday.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:43 utc | 297
By who? The Jewish liars in tel Aviv?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 3:41 utc | 608
Quite frankly I do not know why we so many of us are mollified by the claim Hezbollah will intervene in 2-3 weeks once the zionist ground attack into Gaza intensifies.
At the current rate @ 4000 occupants of Gaza being killed per week, that means a whole lot more needless death IMO.
The zionist scum tell themselves that by slaughtering so many children they are helping ensure a potential Saladin will not rise and while any decent human bemoans that, we also need to consider other wonders of the Arab world who may butchered.
A future:
Abu Bakr Al-Razi (865-935): A Pioneer in Medicine
Ahmad Zewail – (February 26, 1946 – August 2, 2016) Chemistry Nobel Laureate
Tammam Azzam
Nourine Hammad
Ahmed Emad Eldin
Salma Hayek
Omar Sharif
Tony Shalhoub
I regret that Typepad does not allow me to post links to all of these distinguished in their particular disciplines Arabic speaking artists and scientists but I’m sure you get the picture.
The deaths of so many children the majority of whom would grow into decent normal humans just like their parents is dreaful enough but as selfish westerners we must also consider when children are being butchered in large numbers that it is likely some geniuses and savants will also be slaughtered by the cruel, ignorant & supremely over-confident zionist low lifes.
Time is not a friend of anyone who considers “just another 2-3 weeks” as being an ‘acceptable’ time for Gaza-ains to suffer until the zionists are diverted from their final solution.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 30 2023 3:42 utc | 609
Quite frankly I do not know why we so many of us are mollified by the claim Hezbollah will intervene in 2-3 weeks once the zionist ground attack into Gaza intensifies.
At the current rate @ 4000 occupants of Gaza being killed per week, that means a whole lot more needless death IMO.
The zionist scum tell themselves that by slaughtering so many children they are helping ensure a potential Saladin will not rise and while any decent human bemoans that, we also need to consider other wonders of the Arab world who may butchered.
A future:
Abu Bakr Al-Razi (865-935): A Pioneer in Medicine
Ahmad Zewail – (February 26, 1946 – August 2, 2016) Chemistry Nobel Laureate
Tammam Azzam
Nourine Hammad
Ahmed Emad Eldin
Salma Hayek
Omar Sharif
Tony Shalhoub
I regret that Typepad does not allow me to post links to all of these distinguished in their particular disciplines Arabic speaking artists and scientists but I’m sure you get the picture.
The deaths of so many children the majority of whom would grow into decent normal humans just like their parents is dreaful enough but as selfish westerners we must also consider when children are being butchered in large numbers that it is likely some geniuses and savants will also be slaughtered by the cruel, ignorant & supremely over-confident zionist low lifes.
Time is not a friend of anyone who considers “just another 2-3 weeks” as being an ‘acceptable’ time for Gaza-ains to suffer until the zionists are diverted from their final solution.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 30 2023 3:42 utc | 610
Q1. Why does the Jewish State call itself “Israel” and not “Jewrael?”
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 30 2023 2:46 utc | 300
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According to the Judaic version, in 930 BC, the 10 tribes formed the independent Kingdom of Israel after Solomon died, and their capital was the city of Samaria. Their king’s name was Jeroboam.
The Southern Kingdom was called Judah, and it included only two tribes of Judah and Benjamin and their capital was Jerusalem, and their King’s name was, wait for it, Rehoboam. Of course, all of this “history” was written long after the Neo-Assyrian monarchs Tiglath-Pileser III and Shalmaneser V. conquered the 10 Northern tribes, so the Southern Judean “Kingdom” had the final word about the matter. Archeology shows that the Judean “Kingdom” at that time was nothing more than a backwater tribal outpost and there is no evidence of a glorious and powerful Kingdom of David and Solomon, as they were mostly outlaws and highway robbers, and they still are today; but they were Israelites, to answer your question Horsewhisperer.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 3:42 utc | 611
Q1. Why does the Jewish State call itself “Israel” and not “Jewrael?”
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 30 2023 2:46 utc | 300
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According to the Judaic version, in 930 BC, the 10 tribes formed the independent Kingdom of Israel after Solomon died, and their capital was the city of Samaria. Their king’s name was Jeroboam.
The Southern Kingdom was called Judah, and it included only two tribes of Judah and Benjamin and their capital was Jerusalem, and their King’s name was, wait for it, Rehoboam. Of course, all of this “history” was written long after the Neo-Assyrian monarchs Tiglath-Pileser III and Shalmaneser V. conquered the 10 Northern tribes, so the Southern Judean “Kingdom” had the final word about the matter. Archeology shows that the Judean “Kingdom” at that time was nothing more than a backwater tribal outpost and there is no evidence of a glorious and powerful Kingdom of David and Solomon, as they were mostly outlaws and highway robbers, and they still are today; but they were Israelites, to answer your question Horsewhisperer.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 3:42 utc | 612
Muslims are easy as patsies because they taught not to think at all: read only the Koran!!
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 3:10 utc | 308
Hindutvas too it seems, judging by the patsies who got nailed in Qatar the other day.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 3:44 utc | 613
Muslims are easy as patsies because they taught not to think at all: read only the Koran!!
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 3:10 utc | 308
Hindutvas too it seems, judging by the patsies who got nailed in Qatar the other day.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 3:44 utc | 614
Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:44 utc | 298
Ever listened to dreamtime stories. The term for Australian aboriginal oral history. Wallace would come and sit on the veranda of an afternoon and tell me these stories. I couldn’t make any sense out of them. Spirits and so forth all to do with the animals and the land. One day when we were looking around an area he pointed out a flat and told me a story about that. Similar vein but other than the flat, great spirit emu and so forth.
One day on the veranda he came over. A few months before I had been mustering an adjacent block called a UCL – unallocated crown land- for a neighboring property. He had come out to see me at the camp as he wanted me to muster their property again when I had finished.
About three in the afternoon he said he had to get out of there before dark as there were ghosts or spirits. He was in his sixties but a big man and very strong. When we were having troublllle with a bull in the crush one time, he leaned around, put it in a headlock and held its head tight against thew crush. But when he left that wood river camp he was genuinely worried about getting out of there.
But any back on the veranda some months later he starts telling a story in the same vein. Aboriginal people have no calendar, there is only yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
The first minute or so I couldn’t make much sense of what he was saying but then he started talking about donkeys which are much more recent. Some years back there had been an eradication program for wild donkeys as they had reached plague proportion.
The people of the wood river had been mustered into a gorge and shot, every man woman and child. He pointed to a boy about eight and said he was that age when it occurred.
Those old dreamtime stories. there is a place in the Kimberly’s where older finer rock art is over painted with newer rougher art. The people of that area recognize the newer paintings as theirs but have no idea who did the other paintings. The change occurred around 11000 years ago, during the period of great climate change and rapidly rising sea levels when coastal people were pushed inland.
That flat in my earlier story, those people were there when that flat appeared. Obviously a major event as it remains in their oral history. All that can be know it something most likely geological out of the ordinary occurred that caused the formation of that flat.
Genesis reads very much like oral history. We now understand the mechanics of various geolgical and climate events, but back then it was simply the living earth. Something that could only be conceptualized as a life form.
So we go back to Noah. Rain for forty days and forty nights and wasters welling from the deep.
Most oral histories will go back to that time of great climate change and sea level rise but no further. That would have been a period that threw everything into great turbulence, mass migrations those forced back by rising water fighting for new territory ect.
Waters welling from the deep An island people watching the water rise month by month. Built some sort of boat and when the island was nearly flooded, chucked a few domestic animals on and floated off. Hebrew oral history shows that they originated from one family that survived the rising sea. The walls of Jericho? Jericho has been found. Trumpets sound and walls falling own? load sound and walls falling down. I have only been on top of one earthquake. Relatively minor at five point something but very shallow the roaring sound from that. Sounded like a truck just outside at full power.
It will be found that genesis is the first written record of oral history and as such is quite important. Oral history is also an accurate record of major events though it is difficult if not impossible to determine, exactly how, many of those events occurred.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 3:53 utc | 617
Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:44 utc | 298
Ever listened to dreamtime stories. The term for Australian aboriginal oral history. Wallace would come and sit on the veranda of an afternoon and tell me these stories. I couldn’t make any sense out of them. Spirits and so forth all to do with the animals and the land. One day when we were looking around an area he pointed out a flat and told me a story about that. Similar vein but other than the flat, great spirit emu and so forth.
One day on the veranda he came over. A few months before I had been mustering an adjacent block called a UCL – unallocated crown land- for a neighboring property. He had come out to see me at the camp as he wanted me to muster their property again when I had finished.
About three in the afternoon he said he had to get out of there before dark as there were ghosts or spirits. He was in his sixties but a big man and very strong. When we were having troublllle with a bull in the crush one time, he leaned around, put it in a headlock and held its head tight against thew crush. But when he left that wood river camp he was genuinely worried about getting out of there.
But any back on the veranda some months later he starts telling a story in the same vein. Aboriginal people have no calendar, there is only yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
The first minute or so I couldn’t make much sense of what he was saying but then he started talking about donkeys which are much more recent. Some years back there had been an eradication program for wild donkeys as they had reached plague proportion.
The people of the wood river had been mustered into a gorge and shot, every man woman and child. He pointed to a boy about eight and said he was that age when it occurred.
Those old dreamtime stories. there is a place in the Kimberly’s where older finer rock art is over painted with newer rougher art. The people of that area recognize the newer paintings as theirs but have no idea who did the other paintings. The change occurred around 11000 years ago, during the period of great climate change and rapidly rising sea levels when coastal people were pushed inland.
That flat in my earlier story, those people were there when that flat appeared. Obviously a major event as it remains in their oral history. All that can be know it something most likely geological out of the ordinary occurred that caused the formation of that flat.
Genesis reads very much like oral history. We now understand the mechanics of various geolgical and climate events, but back then it was simply the living earth. Something that could only be conceptualized as a life form.
So we go back to Noah. Rain for forty days and forty nights and wasters welling from the deep.
Most oral histories will go back to that time of great climate change and sea level rise but no further. That would have been a period that threw everything into great turbulence, mass migrations those forced back by rising water fighting for new territory ect.
Waters welling from the deep An island people watching the water rise month by month. Built some sort of boat and when the island was nearly flooded, chucked a few domestic animals on and floated off. Hebrew oral history shows that they originated from one family that survived the rising sea. The walls of Jericho? Jericho has been found. Trumpets sound and walls falling own? load sound and walls falling down. I have only been on top of one earthquake. Relatively minor at five point something but very shallow the roaring sound from that. Sounded like a truck just outside at full power.
It will be found that genesis is the first written record of oral history and as such is quite important. Oral history is also an accurate record of major events though it is difficult if not impossible to determine, exactly how, many of those events occurred.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 3:53 utc | 618
Many Christians like muslims hate Hindu pagans
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 3:46 utc | 319
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I guess we all have our prejudices, but most of us draw a line at genocide.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 3:53 utc | 619
Many Christians like muslims hate Hindu pagans
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 3:46 utc | 319
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I guess we all have our prejudices, but most of us draw a line at genocide.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 3:53 utc | 620
The islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest in India–Will Durant…and still they are at it with ghazwa I hind.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 3:56 utc | 621
The islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest in India–Will Durant…and still they are at it with ghazwa I hind.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 3:56 utc | 622
@ Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 3:44 utc | 318
No, Hindus, Jews and Christians study other books too which is why developed all the tech that Muslims use today. Some exceptions exist: Abdul Kalam who developed Indian rocket technology. Wider reading means also more tolerance for other views and cultures.
The ME still only has power due to oil and gas, nothing else. Education is their way out.
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 3:56 utc | 623
@ Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 3:44 utc | 318
No, Hindus, Jews and Christians study other books too which is why developed all the tech that Muslims use today. Some exceptions exist: Abdul Kalam who developed Indian rocket technology. Wider reading means also more tolerance for other views and cultures.
The ME still only has power due to oil and gas, nothing else. Education is their way out.
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 3:56 utc | 624
All the twats who think it is joke subjecting b. to wasted time deleting the vile racist, ethnocentric & religious taunts in this thread deserve to be banned from this site.
Hundreds of men women & children whose supposed ‘crime’ is having been born in Gaza are being slaughtered by the zionist nazi machine every day, yet these twats claim to be putting out the fire by tipping their gasoline of hateful prejudice onto it. Yer all as low as the ignorant & cruel zionists, so I for one hope you all suffer the fate which the zionists are shortly about to cop.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 30 2023 4:00 utc | 627
All the twats who think it is joke subjecting b. to wasted time deleting the vile racist, ethnocentric & religious taunts in this thread deserve to be banned from this site.
Hundreds of men women & children whose supposed ‘crime’ is having been born in Gaza are being slaughtered by the zionist nazi machine every day, yet these twats claim to be putting out the fire by tipping their gasoline of hateful prejudice onto it. Yer all as low as the ignorant & cruel zionists, so I for one hope you all suffer the fate which the zionists are shortly about to cop.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 30 2023 4:00 utc | 628
@ Sandy Freeman 275
You forgot bevin and debsisdead.
It’s always interesting to see how people react to a bit of ribbing.
Posted by: loneplateau | Oct 30 2023 4:02 utc | 629
@ Sandy Freeman 275
You forgot bevin and debsisdead.
It’s always interesting to see how people react to a bit of ribbing.
Posted by: loneplateau | Oct 30 2023 4:02 utc | 630
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 3:42 utc | 317
Thanks for the heads-up. I have trouble separating History and Mythology and I’m not alone. Someone on a previous Pal thread wrote (wtte): History and Mythology are littered with little sparkly bits…
which sounds about right to me.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 30 2023 4:05 utc | 631
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 3:42 utc | 317
Thanks for the heads-up. I have trouble separating History and Mythology and I’m not alone. Someone on a previous Pal thread wrote (wtte): History and Mythology are littered with little sparkly bits…
which sounds about right to me.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 30 2023 4:05 utc | 632
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 15:58 utc | 61
World War I began in Europe in August 1914, before the Federal Reserve Banks had opened for business. The war had a profound impact on the US banking system and economy, as well as on the Federal Reserve.
This City of London banking thing was brewing even before Lincoln was shot.. in 1865.
IMO, WWI would not have happened with out the Federal Reserve Act.. I think its purpose was to finance the bankrupt European governments who were to engage the enemies of the Rothschilds. Basically that act insulated the Rothschild lending institutions defaults on worthless loans (lend lease also] it would make to already broke European banks and governments who who were manipulated into WWI. In other words, few of those loans were expected to be repaid, so the wealth produced by the American taxpayer was pledged to guarantee those worthless loans. The 16th Amendment made the Federal Reserve Act possible, and the Federal Reserve Act made internationalism possible. If you look at the dates the war in Europe was planned as early as July 12, 1909. The First Zionist congress was 1897, the first Russian revolution against the Romanov Russian Czar family began January 22, 1905, the Sykes-Picot agreement of January 1916, the Arab Revolt to over through the Ottoman Empire began June 5, 1916, Russo-Japanese war 1904-1904, Young Turk Revolt in Bosnia 1908, Italo-Turkish war 1911-12, and the Balkan wars 1912-1913..
IOT make the Federal Reserve Act possible it was necessary to amend Article I, section 9[4] of the Constitution of the USA, which read before the amendment:
No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration here before directed to be taken.
<=the 16th amendment proposed July 12, 1909, and ratified February 3, 1913 <=just in time for the war.. reads as follows (please note the 16th amendment word for word negates Art I, sec 9, paragraph 4 above cited)
"The congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever sources derived, without apportionment among the several states. and without regards to any census or enumeration"
This Federal Reserve Act promoted the USA from a voter-run bottom-up American owned government to a top-down corporate-oligarch owned government. The federal reserve act, enabled the those in charge of the government to transition the government to an international government but to this day, most Americans fail to understand that such a transition has taken place.
Posted by: snake | Oct 30 2023 4:08 utc | 633
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 15:58 utc | 61
World War I began in Europe in August 1914, before the Federal Reserve Banks had opened for business. The war had a profound impact on the US banking system and economy, as well as on the Federal Reserve.
This City of London banking thing was brewing even before Lincoln was shot.. in 1865.
IMO, WWI would not have happened with out the Federal Reserve Act.. I think its purpose was to finance the bankrupt European governments who were to engage the enemies of the Rothschilds. Basically that act insulated the Rothschild lending institutions defaults on worthless loans (lend lease also] it would make to already broke European banks and governments who who were manipulated into WWI. In other words, few of those loans were expected to be repaid, so the wealth produced by the American taxpayer was pledged to guarantee those worthless loans. The 16th Amendment made the Federal Reserve Act possible, and the Federal Reserve Act made internationalism possible. If you look at the dates the war in Europe was planned as early as July 12, 1909. The First Zionist congress was 1897, the first Russian revolution against the Romanov Russian Czar family began January 22, 1905, the Sykes-Picot agreement of January 1916, the Arab Revolt to over through the Ottoman Empire began June 5, 1916, Russo-Japanese war 1904-1904, Young Turk Revolt in Bosnia 1908, Italo-Turkish war 1911-12, and the Balkan wars 1912-1913..
IOT make the Federal Reserve Act possible it was necessary to amend Article I, section 9[4] of the Constitution of the USA, which read before the amendment:
No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration here before directed to be taken.
<=the 16th amendment proposed July 12, 1909, and ratified February 3, 1913 <=just in time for the war.. reads as follows (please note the 16th amendment word for word negates Art I, sec 9, paragraph 4 above cited)
"The congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever sources derived, without apportionment among the several states. and without regards to any census or enumeration"
This Federal Reserve Act promoted the USA from a voter-run bottom-up American owned government to a top-down corporate-oligarch owned government. The federal reserve act, enabled the those in charge of the government to transition the government to an international government but to this day, most Americans fail to understand that such a transition has taken place.
Posted by: snake | Oct 30 2023 4:08 utc | 634
Levantine Arabs rely on Persians for their survival.
Well played, Rothchilds.
Posted by: ajt | Oct 30 2023 4:09 utc | 635
Levantine Arabs rely on Persians for their survival.
Well played, Rothchilds.
Posted by: ajt | Oct 30 2023 4:09 utc | 636
indian punchline from oct 29th –
India’s solidarity with Israel is untenable
Posted by: james | Oct 30 2023 4:11 utc | 637
indian punchline from oct 29th –
India’s solidarity with Israel is untenable
Posted by: james | Oct 30 2023 4:11 utc | 638
Well the ayatollahs say the day of judgement can only come when jew Nazis are finished. Apparently there prophet said Islam would last 1500 years when he was asked. But the damn jews just make it difficult
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 4:14 utc | 639
Well the ayatollahs say the day of judgement can only come when jew Nazis are finished. Apparently there prophet said Islam would last 1500 years when he was asked. But the damn jews just make it difficult
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 4:14 utc | 640
looks like nafo have arrived. I guess if there was a space beside usernames for flags, they would have up both the ukie nazi flag and the zionist flag. Zionists and nazi’s. Obviously birds with the same feathers…. flock together.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 4:16 utc | 641
looks like nafo have arrived. I guess if there was a space beside usernames for flags, they would have up both the ukie nazi flag and the zionist flag. Zionists and nazi’s. Obviously birds with the same feathers…. flock together.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 4:16 utc | 642
Caliman 41
Sunni Islam is one thing, Political Islam is another thing. That kinda blows a hole in your waffley logic that only so called Sunni countries like Turkey can operate in Palestine.
The Muslim Brotherhood is Political Islam, founded in 1918 by the British in Egypt to take the place of the Ottoman Caliphate in directing Islam towards British Imperial interests.
According to Thierry Myessan Iran is equally compromised by USUKIS but I have , living in the West , never come into the crosshairs of Iran’s interest.
Muslim Brotherhood runs a Pegasus level spy network which can only be possible by means of cooperation with Israel.
Political Islam is connected to Israeli spy centres even in providing security to British Islamic schools. I worked in a school in Stoke which had an Israeli spy camera pointing at the entrance to the Girls toilets. That’s how truly funked the Political Islam is.
They hate Muslims. I recently went to a n MB mosque and bookshop. A few hours later the phone I used to ask opening times of the bookshop gets a call from Dubai for MB to investigate my private life with their psychopathic nosey software.
Muslim Brotherhood is not Sunni if it breaks the fundamental requirements of Sunni Islam to respect individual privacy. The South Asiam mosques run a spy system of equal capability by which they can in effect control every aspect of a Muslim’s personal.life, in full collusion with your very own employers British Intooligence.
Political Islam has no shame . You’re either with them or out. The Middle East is obsessed with tight Political control of its rulers’ personal security against the interests of both democracy or Muslim scholarly influence.
The end result in terms of Palestine is that thesis of Political Islam probably exceed the sins of both the Shi’a and the Israelis and the Christians combined. Why would Israel take any notice of such a busted flush.
Israel regards itself as morally superior to Political Islam . They should know because it all runs through Israeli software.
Personally I would regard Iran as less
psychologically compromised than the Muslim Brotherhood Jassous. In fact I see it as an arm of USUKIS.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 30 2023 4:31 utc | 643
Caliman 41
Sunni Islam is one thing, Political Islam is another thing. That kinda blows a hole in your waffley logic that only so called Sunni countries like Turkey can operate in Palestine.
The Muslim Brotherhood is Political Islam, founded in 1918 by the British in Egypt to take the place of the Ottoman Caliphate in directing Islam towards British Imperial interests.
According to Thierry Myessan Iran is equally compromised by USUKIS but I have , living in the West , never come into the crosshairs of Iran’s interest.
Muslim Brotherhood runs a Pegasus level spy network which can only be possible by means of cooperation with Israel.
Political Islam is connected to Israeli spy centres even in providing security to British Islamic schools. I worked in a school in Stoke which had an Israeli spy camera pointing at the entrance to the Girls toilets. That’s how truly funked the Political Islam is.
They hate Muslims. I recently went to a n MB mosque and bookshop. A few hours later the phone I used to ask opening times of the bookshop gets a call from Dubai for MB to investigate my private life with their psychopathic nosey software.
Muslim Brotherhood is not Sunni if it breaks the fundamental requirements of Sunni Islam to respect individual privacy. The South Asiam mosques run a spy system of equal capability by which they can in effect control every aspect of a Muslim’s personal.life, in full collusion with your very own employers British Intooligence.
Political Islam has no shame . You’re either with them or out. The Middle East is obsessed with tight Political control of its rulers’ personal security against the interests of both democracy or Muslim scholarly influence.
The end result in terms of Palestine is that thesis of Political Islam probably exceed the sins of both the Shi’a and the Israelis and the Christians combined. Why would Israel take any notice of such a busted flush.
Israel regards itself as morally superior to Political Islam . They should know because it all runs through Israeli software.
Personally I would regard Iran as less
psychologically compromised than the Muslim Brotherhood Jassous. In fact I see it as an arm of USUKIS.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 30 2023 4:31 utc | 644
Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275–
The sky’s blue because that’s Nature’s way. Putin has nothing to do with it.
Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275–
The sky’s blue because that’s Nature’s way. Putin has nothing to do with it.
Bhadrakumar Like Crooke is an ex diplomat. His piece which james linked gives an excellent take on at least a few things I was not aware of But more so of Modi’s major error for India in siding with the Zio nazi’s. Nothing like a bit of ideological fanaticism to lead its believers to destruction.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 4:37 utc | 649
Bhadrakumar Like Crooke is an ex diplomat. His piece which james linked gives an excellent take on at least a few things I was not aware of But more so of Modi’s major error for India in siding with the Zio nazi’s. Nothing like a bit of ideological fanaticism to lead its believers to destruction.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 4:37 utc | 650
Well the ayatollahs say the day of judgement can only come when jew Nazis are finished.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 4:14 utc | 331
The Christian fundamentalists say judgement can only come when the armies of the world converge on the plain of megiddo.
They’re doing their best to make that a self fulfilling prophecy.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 4:37 utc | 651
Well the ayatollahs say the day of judgement can only come when jew Nazis are finished.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 4:14 utc | 331
The Christian fundamentalists say judgement can only come when the armies of the world converge on the plain of megiddo.
They’re doing their best to make that a self fulfilling prophecy.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 4:37 utc | 652
Because Governments take no action against the brutality of Israel’s Jewish people, the people of the world are taking matters into their own hands now.
Hundreds of protestors have stormed an airport in Russia’s (predominantly Muslim) Dagestan region searching for Jewish passengers, apparently angered by social media rumours of a flight carrying refugees from Israel. Passengers were forced nearby to show their passports to prove they were not Israelis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb4LGQLwThg
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 30 2023 4:40 utc | 653
Because Governments take no action against the brutality of Israel’s Jewish people, the people of the world are taking matters into their own hands now.
Hundreds of protestors have stormed an airport in Russia’s (predominantly Muslim) Dagestan region searching for Jewish passengers, apparently angered by social media rumours of a flight carrying refugees from Israel. Passengers were forced nearby to show their passports to prove they were not Israelis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb4LGQLwThg
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 30 2023 4:40 utc | 654
Time is not a friend of anyone who considers “just another 2-3 weeks” as being an ‘acceptable’ time for Gaza-ains to suffer until the zionists are diverted from their final solution.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 30 2023 3:42 utc | 316
For the record, I am not one of those. For me the first Palestinian child that isreal sacrificed upon the altar of Baal was already a failure of the entire world, and secondarily a failure of the “Arab” world.
To them (the Arab world) I say:
Your crime was not that you could not help your own people, your crime was that you neglected your art of war and failed to master the process of waging industrial scale mass murder against those who would destroy you.
This crime is it’s own punishment, as we can see today.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 4:46 utc | 655
Time is not a friend of anyone who considers “just another 2-3 weeks” as being an ‘acceptable’ time for Gaza-ains to suffer until the zionists are diverted from their final solution.
Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 30 2023 3:42 utc | 316
For the record, I am not one of those. For me the first Palestinian child that isreal sacrificed upon the altar of Baal was already a failure of the entire world, and secondarily a failure of the “Arab” world.
To them (the Arab world) I say:
Your crime was not that you could not help your own people, your crime was that you neglected your art of war and failed to master the process of waging industrial scale mass murder against those who would destroy you.
This crime is it’s own punishment, as we can see today.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 4:46 utc | 656
@ Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 4:37 utc | 336
the religious breakdown in india might help explain why modi and the hindu nationalism emphasis appears as a dangerous emphasis.. there may be some economic reasons for india wanting to get closer to israel, but alienating its own muslim population doesn’t make sense to me.. hindu is 80% and muslim 14.2 % of the population.. then there are the local neighbours pakistan and bangladesh to consider too.. the issue of partition was over religion, or the brits way of dividing and conquering too..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India
Posted by: james | Oct 30 2023 4:52 utc | 657
@ Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 4:37 utc | 336
the religious breakdown in india might help explain why modi and the hindu nationalism emphasis appears as a dangerous emphasis.. there may be some economic reasons for india wanting to get closer to israel, but alienating its own muslim population doesn’t make sense to me.. hindu is 80% and muslim 14.2 % of the population.. then there are the local neighbours pakistan and bangladesh to consider too.. the issue of partition was over religion, or the brits way of dividing and conquering too..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India
Posted by: james | Oct 30 2023 4:52 utc | 658
Is it possible that Israel is waiting to invade because they want as many people in Gaza to die as possible? A siege situation combined with constant bombing (no water, medicine, electricity, or food resupply) may be exactly what they want.
Posted by: foggytowers7 | Oct 30 2023 4:55 utc | 659
Is it possible that Israel is waiting to invade because they want as many people in Gaza to die as possible? A siege situation combined with constant bombing (no water, medicine, electricity, or food resupply) may be exactly what they want.
Posted by: foggytowers7 | Oct 30 2023 4:55 utc | 660
Hamas and Hazbollah continue to raid and disrupt the IDF-US Military. Remarkable really; what a dedicated well trained few teams of light infantry can do against heavy armored professional troops (USA) and conscripts (IDF).
Posted by: Exile | Oct 30 2023 4:55 utc | 661
Hamas and Hazbollah continue to raid and disrupt the IDF-US Military. Remarkable really; what a dedicated well trained few teams of light infantry can do against heavy armored professional troops (USA) and conscripts (IDF).
Posted by: Exile | Oct 30 2023 4:55 utc | 662
Constantine 311
Well said. In case heeds to be said that the Royal Families of the Gulf states areas entirely British political construct, with no foundation in Islam.
I am a revert to Islam of French Huguenot, Norman English, Polish Jewish descent, not in any order of personality or psychological influence.
I can strongly relate to Kurdish and South Asian Sunni Islam and I am strongly allergic to Arab , oppressive dictatorship , political influence.
Many of the early Jewish settlers were European socialists, others from the land of the Captivity, Sunni Kurdistan which was touched by Genghis Khan ‘s influence ,others from Russia, and everywhere else.
I can trace parts of my psychology to parts of my mongrelity. But how could an outsider to any human entity access their internal psychology. We’re left with just projection as a tool for mind- reading others, which is an extraordinarily unwise way of gauging other people, We can only see others through our own receptors, which only tell us about us.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 30 2023 4:59 utc | 663
Constantine 311
Well said. In case heeds to be said that the Royal Families of the Gulf states areas entirely British political construct, with no foundation in Islam.
I am a revert to Islam of French Huguenot, Norman English, Polish Jewish descent, not in any order of personality or psychological influence.
I can strongly relate to Kurdish and South Asian Sunni Islam and I am strongly allergic to Arab , oppressive dictatorship , political influence.
Many of the early Jewish settlers were European socialists, others from the land of the Captivity, Sunni Kurdistan which was touched by Genghis Khan ‘s influence ,others from Russia, and everywhere else.
I can trace parts of my psychology to parts of my mongrelity. But how could an outsider to any human entity access their internal psychology. We’re left with just projection as a tool for mind- reading others, which is an extraordinarily unwise way of gauging other people, We can only see others through our own receptors, which only tell us about us.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 30 2023 4:59 utc | 664
Posted by: publicdisorder | Oct 29 2023 20:47 utc | 171
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Your statement is utterly false.
Posted by: AI | Oct 30 2023 5:01 utc | 665
Posted by: publicdisorder | Oct 29 2023 20:47 utc | 171
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Your statement is utterly false.
Posted by: AI | Oct 30 2023 5:01 utc | 666
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 29 2023 21:47 utc | 196
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BiBi has another 5 days left in politics. He will be forced to resign.
Posted by: AI | Oct 30 2023 5:08 utc | 667
james | Oct 30 2023 4:52 utc | 340
Could be but as far as Modi as the leader of the Hindutva political party goes, it seems to come doen to ideology which can be just as strong and fanatical as religion.
Economy? US is pushing the west to move manufacturing from china to to the likes of India and Vietnam. Apple have not had a good experience in India. I assume not as much emphasis placed on education as has been in China, but also getting quality component subing component manufacturing out to Indian companies. Zero quality control. Some Indian manufacturers do put out quality products, but there are also many sweatshops putting out junk.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 5:08 utc | 668
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 29 2023 21:47 utc | 196
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BiBi has another 5 days left in politics. He will be forced to resign.
Posted by: AI | Oct 30 2023 5:08 utc | 669
james | Oct 30 2023 4:52 utc | 340
Could be but as far as Modi as the leader of the Hindutva political party goes, it seems to come doen to ideology which can be just as strong and fanatical as religion.
Economy? US is pushing the west to move manufacturing from china to to the likes of India and Vietnam. Apple have not had a good experience in India. I assume not as much emphasis placed on education as has been in China, but also getting quality component subing component manufacturing out to Indian companies. Zero quality control. Some Indian manufacturers do put out quality products, but there are also many sweatshops putting out junk.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 5:08 utc | 670
Hebrew oral history shows that they originated from one family that survived the rising sea. The walls of Jericho? Jericho has been found.
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Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 3:53 utc | 320
I do appreciate the oral stories of ancient people. And yes, they did find the city of Jericho, but the problem is that it had been burnt down and destroyed 200 years before the Bible claims that the Israelites did it. Again, read the book, by Israel Finkelstein: The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts.
Now, let me tell you a story. In 1993 and 94 I lived and worked in South Africa building a refinery near Durban, SA. I made friends with several Xhosa and Zulu South Africans in the print room and with the cleanup crews in the engineering office (To the chagrin of some of the white South African designers and engineers on the project).
One day, a man who worked in the print room, a Xhosa named James Obelia, missed his ride and needed a ride home to his Xhosa village about an hour away. I gave him a ride to his home, a thatched hut about 25 feet in diameter.
It got dark outside, and this was a problem because there was fighting going on between Kosa and Zulu’s supporters of Chief Buthelezi, who was an enemy of Nelson Mandel and the ANC.
Anti-Nelson Mandela Whites were giving the Zulu Inkatha party (Buthelezi’s party) guns to keep the violence going between the pro ANC Xhosa and Zulus, and the Inkatha “Freedom Fighters” Zulus who were killing about 20 people a day at that time.
As a white man, I was pulled over by SA security police and my car was searched as I was handcuffed outside the car. Fortunately, James Obelia was still with me, and we were close to his home. The Security Police agreed that I could go home with Obelia, but I must stay until curfew was lifted the next morning. It was a good thing because I would have gotten lost on my own trying to leave at night: No road signs or even night lights.
James was a Christian, but he also had a lot of stories to tell about his country, and his people, and his customs. It was the best night of my time in South Africa, certainly the most exciting. He had a wife and two children, both boys. We ate a traditional Kosa meal which was a lot fruit, a mushy curd of some kind, and JuJu beer (a slightly sour, home brewed, indigenous sorghum beer is made by adding sugar, water and corn to a soft-cooked sorghum-meal porridge).
And yes, they have their Ghost stories and their superstitions, but what James wanted me to talk about was Marxism and the Class Struggle, because that was a big issue for many South Africans who supported the ANC at that time.
A short time later Chris Hani, General-Secretary of the South African Communist Party (SACP) was assassinated at his home. He was a rival to Nelson Mandela for popularity in the upcoming election where the ANC swept the Election.
The JuJu beer was potent, and I slept like a log that night.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 5:12 utc | 671
Hebrew oral history shows that they originated from one family that survived the rising sea. The walls of Jericho? Jericho has been found.
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Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 3:53 utc | 320
I do appreciate the oral stories of ancient people. And yes, they did find the city of Jericho, but the problem is that it had been burnt down and destroyed 200 years before the Bible claims that the Israelites did it. Again, read the book, by Israel Finkelstein: The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts.
Now, let me tell you a story. In 1993 and 94 I lived and worked in South Africa building a refinery near Durban, SA. I made friends with several Xhosa and Zulu South Africans in the print room and with the cleanup crews in the engineering office (To the chagrin of some of the white South African designers and engineers on the project).
One day, a man who worked in the print room, a Xhosa named James Obelia, missed his ride and needed a ride home to his Xhosa village about an hour away. I gave him a ride to his home, a thatched hut about 25 feet in diameter.
It got dark outside, and this was a problem because there was fighting going on between Kosa and Zulu’s supporters of Chief Buthelezi, who was an enemy of Nelson Mandel and the ANC.
Anti-Nelson Mandela Whites were giving the Zulu Inkatha party (Buthelezi’s party) guns to keep the violence going between the pro ANC Xhosa and Zulus, and the Inkatha “Freedom Fighters” Zulus who were killing about 20 people a day at that time.
As a white man, I was pulled over by SA security police and my car was searched as I was handcuffed outside the car. Fortunately, James Obelia was still with me, and we were close to his home. The Security Police agreed that I could go home with Obelia, but I must stay until curfew was lifted the next morning. It was a good thing because I would have gotten lost on my own trying to leave at night: No road signs or even night lights.
James was a Christian, but he also had a lot of stories to tell about his country, and his people, and his customs. It was the best night of my time in South Africa, certainly the most exciting. He had a wife and two children, both boys. We ate a traditional Kosa meal which was a lot fruit, a mushy curd of some kind, and JuJu beer (a slightly sour, home brewed, indigenous sorghum beer is made by adding sugar, water and corn to a soft-cooked sorghum-meal porridge).
And yes, they have their Ghost stories and their superstitions, but what James wanted me to talk about was Marxism and the Class Struggle, because that was a big issue for many South Africans who supported the ANC at that time.
A short time later Chris Hani, General-Secretary of the South African Communist Party (SACP) was assassinated at his home. He was a rival to Nelson Mandela for popularity in the upcoming election where the ANC swept the Election.
The JuJu beer was potent, and I slept like a log that night.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 5:12 utc | 672
Sorry if I comment here about a previous post (De Villepin’s interview) :
I think the reason why this interview was translated is the constant need for some French to be proud of themselves. All the more when the International context is such a curtain raiser on the pathetic and criminal complicity of Western politicians and medias, we as French try to find reasons to comfort ourselves in this turmoil, even if De Villepin’s line is out-of-date. He just represents what’s left of France’s diplomatic grandeur. But did he do as many good things as he did bad ? I won’t bet my life on it. We’re among the worst Israel supports in the Western world if not the worst. You’ll find equal end even more accurate postures on the left side of the French political spectrum. What is more interesting here is the demonstration that mainstream journalism is not about informing about the power missteps but about defending them.
So let me humbly share with you an article I wrote a few days ago that also highlights this cowardice.
DYING IN SILENCE
This is what the entire French media and a large proportion of the country’s politicians are demanding of the Palestinians. The reluctance of this cornered people to disappear and its outbursts of despair outrage everyone who comes to the rescue of Israel, the perpetual expiatory victim for Western guilt, now an inhuman persecutor in its turn.
A 17-year-old Gazan will have experienced eleven wars in his life.
From June to November 2006, Operation Summer Rains killed more than 400 Palestinians and 11 Israelis, followed immediately by Operation Autumn Clouds, which killed 82 Palestinians and one Israeli; in February-March 2008, Operation Hot Winter lasted 3 days and killed 112 Palestinians and 3 Israelis; from 27 December 2008 to 18 January 2009, Operation Cast Lead killed 1,330 Palestinians and 13 Israelis; in March 2012, Operation Returning Echo killed 23 Palestinians; in November 2012, Operation Pillar of Defence killed 174 Palestinians and 6 Israelis; from 8 July to 26 August 2014, Operation Protective Edge killed 2,000 Palestinians (more than a third of them women and children) and 66 Israelis; in November 2019, Operation Black Belt killed 34 Palestinians; from 5 to 7 August 2022, Operation Breaking Dawn killed around 50 Palestinians; in May 2023, Operation Shield and Arrow resulted in the deaths of 33 Palestinians and one Israeli; in October 2023, in retaliation for the Hamas attack in which more than a thousand Israelis, civilians and soldiers, were killed, the current operation called Iron Swords has so far claimed nearly 4,000 lives in Gaza and displaced more than 260,000 Palestinians. Although the number of victims on the Israeli side is exceptionally high due to the surprise effect, we will have to wait until the end of the conflict to know the full toll. The violence of Israel’s response to the Hamas attacks on 7 October leaves us to fear dire prospects for the people of Gaza.
This morbid account, which shows the disproportion of the forces involved, above all highlights the hypocrisy of the French media (and the Western media in general), whose double standard indignation systematically ignores the fate of the Palestinian people. Everyone rushes to the French broadcasts to express their support for the Israeli government, although the most openly fascist in power since the birth of the Hebrew state. They are literally terrified at the thought of this support being questioned, and of this doubt being expressed by a word they have spent so many years abusing. A word capable of bringing a career to a screeching halt at its mere mention: anti-Semitic. All of them, journalists and politicians, hand in hand, disregarding their past differences and disagreements, are today united in their zeal to use it against those they consider too unsympathetic to the Israelis and excessively compassionate to the Palestinians. Even measured, balanced positions and calls for peace or a ceasefire are burnt to a crisp by their unshakeable and total devotion to Israel, which they display with the utmost ostentation. To this end, their television and radio hosts, who share this veneration, offer them platforms. Platforms, forsooth! National stages worthy of the greatest theatres! On which they can pour out their hearts and take their share of the Israeli tragedy and condemn, sometimes to death, the sceptics, those who dare to mention the Palestinians, those « terrorists ».
Those Nazis.
And that’s it. The word hits like a ton of bricks. Not only are the Palestinians terrorists, but today they are also Nazis. And anyone who defends them or even thinks of caring about them is an anti-Semite. If the depth of human stupidity had a bottom, it would look like this. And we thought we had seen it a little more every day, given the emptiness of the analyses of the Ukrainian conflict. But despite what we think, we still have to dig and dig some more. Once the surprise of the Hamas attack had passed, instead of the minimum emotional tribute to the innocent Israeli civilian victims, we were treated to a recital by Greek mourners on ecstasy. Journalists, editorialists, pundits, philosophers, essayists, commentators and presenters are bending over backwards to grovel, disgrace and humiliate themselves like no one before them has ever done, in the basest, most despicable vein and most incredible communion in the face of the crimes being committed against the Palestinian people by Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, drunk with vengeance. Deaf or feigning deafness in the face of the worst pre-genocidal horrors uttered by Israeli officials – « We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly » declared Defence Minister Yoav Gallant – they are already justifying these present and future crimes in the full knowledge that Israel has never made the slightest distinction between armed militants of the Palestinian cause, whether they be Hamas, Fatah or the Palestinian Communist Party, and civilians, women, children or the elderly.
The narrative of the terrorist is as hackneyed as that of the anti-Semite pinned as a target on the back of anyone who criticises Israel’s policy of apartheid and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians, accompanied by the colonisation and expropriation of Palestinian land.
I don’t feel comfortable talking about the Resistance at a meeting devoted to « terrorism ».
It is true that our adversaries, the Nazis and their French allies, referred to us as terrorists in all the propaganda media, posters, newspapers and radio stations that they controlled. The pejorative description was intended to impress public opinion, but naturally we never accepted it.
We were volunteer fighters, who had accepted a hard life and the greatest risks to win back freedom. Our adversaries were an army of occupation that exploited our country and aimed to alienate its independence once and for all.
As for the terrorism perpetrated by the enemy, it would be wrong to believe that it was always in response to attacks by the Resistance. It was practised very early on under any pretext to show the population that it was the master. When it developed in response to sabotage or attacks, it was immediately disproportionate, often striking indiscriminately at innocent people, even hostages, and going as far as massacre, including of women and children, the destruction of houses and entire villages.
Raymond Aubrac, French Resistance fighter, in Topiques n°83, p. 7 to 10
Basically, it doesn’t matter how we judge Hamas after its attack. In any case, it has become common practice to equate any act of resistance with terrorism. In addition to Raymond Aubrac’s quote, we should remember that the Algerian FLN, a resistance movement against the French invaders, also committed acts that were described as terrorism. And frankly, this is not an untruth if you look at the definition of the word: terrorism is the deliberate use of violence for political ends, the psychological impact of which creates a climate of terror. This violence may be aimed, but it is most often indiscriminate, and its victims will be considered innocent by public opinion. Terrorism contains its own contradiction: as a weapon of the weak against the strong, it targets defenceless people indiscriminately. Yet who today would deny that the attacks perpetrated by the FLN were acts of resistance? The most important thing is not to determine whether a particular act is terrorist or not, but to determine the context in which it takes place and the causes behind it. But screaming about terrorism for the sake of screaming about terrorism, in front of an amnesiac audience, is precisely the way to avoid talking about the framework and the causes. As a result, some people tend to misuse the term not in terms of objective reality but in terms of their own interests or those of their class: while Hamas is a terrorist group, Al-Nosra in Syria was doing a good job and the Turkestan Islamist Party brings together Uighur citizens who have been pushed to the limit. Some are an inconvenience, others are a convenience, and vice versa, depending on which way the wind of necessity is blowing. This is wishful thinking, but it would be far more enlightening to point out, for example, that the current Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has favoured Hamas by supporting it financially, to the detriment of the secular Fatah, in order to weaken the latter, scuttle negotiations and create a division between Gaza and the rest of the Palestinian territories. Israel is not the only country to have deliberately nurtured a radicalism that has turned against it.
Today we live in societies where the pillars of power reject violence as a means of struggle and confine it to the exclusive use of the state. In France, the people withstands state violence with the consent of the same people who are now indignant that it is being used by the Palestinians against Israeli oppression. For those in power, there is nothing more contagious than an idea. It is, of course, morally unacceptable to rejoice in the deaths of innocent civilians, but it is equally unacceptable to consider only Israeli civilians and invariably keep silent about the countless Palestinian civilian deaths. Beyond compassion, we need to give meaning, to explain that it is violence that breeds violence, that it is a vicious circle that has been going on for nearly a century in the Middle East, and particularly in Palestine. And we must admit that this vicious circle is perpetuated by a Hebrew state that has become fascist and whose current government includes some of the most extremist, fundamentalist and supremacist Jewish figures in Israeli politics. The South African natives in the Apartheid era would have nothing to envy today’s Palestinians. Whether they are children, women or elderly people, and even more so young teenagers old enough to throw stones at tanks, in the eyes of a large part of Israeli society and for the Western media whose moral decay has been recorded, the lives of Palestinians are worth nothing and Israeli law has gradually legitimised the murder of these undesirables by the Tsahal soldiers.
To come back to the incalculable number of acts of violence committed against Palestinians over decades, with total indifference on the part of the Western media, would require dozens of articles, days and weeks of reading, an enumeration that would make your head spin. Giving a few examples would give no more idea than estimating the amount of sand in the desert with a single handful. No, we cannot have the slightest idea of what it is like to be a Palestinian under the Israeli boot, and those who still consider that their job is to inform the rest of the world have done so by risking their lives and even losing it under the bullets of the Israeli army. My present personal contribution is insignificant and infinitely less legitimate compared to these scrupulous observers of the evolution of Palestinian suffering. It will have no more effect on the media wall than the Gaza slings on the armour of the tanks. As a child and then as a teenager, I grew up with this conflict in which the Palestinians always played the villain. I didn’t know at the time that behind this wall, built on the foundations of a long history of persecution that culminated in the Final Solution, Jewish people could also commit the same crimes as those of which they had been victims. Journalism could already be the art of lying, the art of collaborating with oppressors, the art of serving oppressors wherever they acted. Today, this wall is crumbling, revealing a crude reality from which the words « terrorist » and « anti-Semitic » are no longer enough to avert our gaze. And to do justice to the Palestinians and to all those who have died or suffered for having done so, the first thing I can do, in all humility, is to highlight these shameful complicities. Since I have neither the talent nor the expertise to put them into words, I will paraphrase at length the words of the historian Barnaby Raine, reacting to the recent bombing of a hospital in Gaza and the media contortions that followed:
«Israel ordered 22 hospitals evacuated. The World Health Organisation called that a death sentence for patients in those hospitals who could’nt be moved and so were being left to die. One of the hospitals that Israel ordered evacuated was the hospital that is now being bombed. So Israel said it was going to bomb hospitals, then a hospital got bombed. Israel dropped more bombs on Gaza this week than America dropped on Afghanistan in the first year of their occupation of Afghanistan in 2001. […] A priest in Ramalla said: « We hold the occupying power responsible ». […] And we know that Israel continues to block electricity from baby incubators and dialysis patients, we know that Israel continues to block water from surgeons and elderly people, I mean, people in Gaza don’t have access to clean water, food from survivors and we know that Israel bombs roads after it tells people to flee along those roads. We also know that on October the 14th, Israel targeted ambulances and we know that before this bombing, Israel had already killed 28 medical staff in Gaza. We know too, as you said, that part of Israeli playbook is to lie about the attacks, the murders. It doesn’t please me to say this: in 1996, Israel shelled a UN compound in Lebanon, and blamed it on others. This was not true. In 2006, Israel murdered an entire family on a beach in Gaza. The IDF had a quick investigation that said the IDF was not responsible. It was not true. In 2014, Mark Regev, we’d seen him again on TV screens recently, claimed that UNRRA sites, that’s UN Refugee Agency sites, were used to launch missiles. The UN investigated: it was not true. Last year, Israeli forces murdered Palestinian journalist Shireen Abou Akleh, blamed Palestinians: it wasn’t true. Journalists can’t really investigate what’s going on in Gaza, because even the Washington Post, which is not, I tell you, a friend of the Palestinian people, says it is « becoming impossible to report from Gaza under the conditions of siege and bombardment that Israel has established ». So part of what concerns me here, looking at the Western media, because this whole brutal siege and bombardment campaign by Israel has been an object lesson in the racism that structures everything in our media ecosystem. It has been quite… well, I want to say « extraordinary » but I haven’t been that surprised, to watch Western journalists rush to report an old blood libel, to rush to report that 40 babies were beheaded by bloodthirsty savage Palestinians even though it later turned out that there was not much evidence for it, completely ignore Hamas’s accounts of what happened in their attack and just report the Israeli accounts. But then, when Israel says, despite its record of lying, when Israel says that they’re not sure who bombed this hospital or blames Palestinians for killing their own children, journalists rush to say of course that it must be measured and take them seriously, including, I should say, some left-wing journalists, and that’s concerning to people because it seems to be kind of double standard that reeks of racism. Raz Segal, the Israeli genocide expert, is calling what happens in Gaza as « a textbook case of genocide ». 800 legal scholars have written that they are « compelled to sound the alarm about the possibility of genocide in Gaza. It is clear that Israel is targeting civilians, they’ve targeted residential buildings, they’ve targeted journalists, they’ve targeted medics and medical facilities. This is not the first case. The question we, I think, should ask is « Why they’re doing this? Why this brutal blanket campaign ? Cutting off water ? If you didn’t want to target civilians, you wouldn’t cut off water, you wouldn’t cut off fuel. Why they’re doing it? They don’t need to, they have a Iron Dome missile defence system, that means most of the missiles that Palestinians fire at Israel don’t reach target. They could negotiate the release of hostages. There are six thousand Palestinian prisoners languishing in Israeli jails without receiving fair trial, serious allegations of torture, which we rarely hear about on the news that we hear about hostages in Gaza. They could negotiate for the release of their hostages. Instead, they are bombing Gaza and killing, by some reports, some of their own hostages. This won’t of course destroy Hamas. When you carpet bomb people who are living under a colonial siege and constant bombardment, the only effect it can have is to strengthen people’s fury, anger and resolve to resist the colonising power, so of course it won’t break resistance, even if they were to destroy Hamas’s infrastructure, something else would emerge in its place. So why, why are they doing this? It’s not by the way because Hamas caused the problem, because in the West Bank, where there is no Hamas regime, settlers have attacked funerals in the last week and launched attacks on Palestinian villagers, killing parents and children, and the IDF has shot and killed 62 Palestinians in the last week, when I last checked. In the West Bank, which is a place that does not have a Hamas government, and before this latest massacre, 2023 was already the deadliest year on record for children in the West Bank, with one child murdered every week by Israeli forces. So it’s not because there’s a resistance enclave that Israel is violent. It seems to have this lashing-out violent impulse regardless. The reason is that it is the logic of the coloniser, the reason is that Israelis know deep-down, and I am speaking here of some of my own family members, so it pains me, but they know deep-down that they are living in other people‘s stolen homes. They know that they are living in a state that was premised on an act of ethnic cleansing when 700,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes. That’s why Gaza is so densely populated, because most of the Palestinians living in Gaza aren’t from Gaza, they are refugees penned in there because they were chased out of other parts of Israel. And that’s why the important thing to do now is not simply to call for peace, not simply to call for the end of this massacre, though that’s crucial, but to understand that we want a world in which people don’t live penned into an open-air prison because they’re chased from their homes, to call not simply for peace, but for freedom. And to say, when we see people partying at a rave party and being killed by Hamas operatives, that they were partying five miles away from an open-air prison. If you move 5 miles from where those people were partying in Israel to Gaza, life expectancy drops 10 years. We don’t just want peace and the return of a world in which that is the case, we desperately want people all over the world, in our millions, for freedom, for everyone to be able to live a life of freedom and dignity, and that’s why we want victory for the Palestinian people.»<
And as there is nothing clearer than the words of the oppressor to give a glimpse of the martyrdom of the oppressed, here are those recently uttered by figures of the Hebrew State during the history of its oppression of the Palestinian people, demonstrating the racism that structures a society flawed by it:
Palestinians are beasts, not humans.
Eli Ben Dahan, Minister of Defense, 2013
What’s so horrifying about understanding that the entire Palestinian people is the enemy?… They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.
Ayelet Shaked, Minister of Justice, 2014
The Palestinian threat harbors cancer-like attributes that have to be severed. There are all kinds of solutions to cancer. Some say it’s necessary to amputate organs but at the moment I am applying chemotherapy.
Moshe Yaalon, General and Minister of Defense, 2002
[The way to deal with Palestinians is to] beat them up, not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until it’s unbearable.
Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister, 2001
Those who are with us deserve everything, but those who are against us deserve to have their heads chopped off with an axe.
Avigdor Lieberman, Minister of Foreign affairs, 2015
Our soldiers are the only innocents in Gaza. Under no circumstances should they be killed because of false morality that prefers to protect enemy civilians. One hair on the head of an Israeli soldier is more precious than the entire Gazan populace.
Moshe Feiglin, Speaker of the Knesset, 2014
The die is cast. And I’ll end on a note of gutter mediocrity, with the genocidal arsehole Ben Shapiro, muse of American conservatism, whom I’ve already mentioned.
The only solution for Israel is to annex the Gaza Strip and kill enough sons of bitches to make sure the problem never comes back.
Ben Shapiro, 2023
So, happy, bastard ?
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Oct 30 2023 5:13 utc | 673
Sorry if I comment here about a previous post (De Villepin’s interview) :
I think the reason why this interview was translated is the constant need for some French to be proud of themselves. All the more when the International context is such a curtain raiser on the pathetic and criminal complicity of Western politicians and medias, we as French try to find reasons to comfort ourselves in this turmoil, even if De Villepin’s line is out-of-date. He just represents what’s left of France’s diplomatic grandeur. But did he do as many good things as he did bad ? I won’t bet my life on it. We’re among the worst Israel supports in the Western world if not the worst. You’ll find equal end even more accurate postures on the left side of the French political spectrum. What is more interesting here is the demonstration that mainstream journalism is not about informing about the power missteps but about defending them.
So let me humbly share with you an article I wrote a few days ago that also highlights this cowardice.
DYING IN SILENCE
This is what the entire French media and a large proportion of the country’s politicians are demanding of the Palestinians. The reluctance of this cornered people to disappear and its outbursts of despair outrage everyone who comes to the rescue of Israel, the perpetual expiatory victim for Western guilt, now an inhuman persecutor in its turn.
A 17-year-old Gazan will have experienced eleven wars in his life.
From June to November 2006, Operation Summer Rains killed more than 400 Palestinians and 11 Israelis, followed immediately by Operation Autumn Clouds, which killed 82 Palestinians and one Israeli; in February-March 2008, Operation Hot Winter lasted 3 days and killed 112 Palestinians and 3 Israelis; from 27 December 2008 to 18 January 2009, Operation Cast Lead killed 1,330 Palestinians and 13 Israelis; in March 2012, Operation Returning Echo killed 23 Palestinians; in November 2012, Operation Pillar of Defence killed 174 Palestinians and 6 Israelis; from 8 July to 26 August 2014, Operation Protective Edge killed 2,000 Palestinians (more than a third of them women and children) and 66 Israelis; in November 2019, Operation Black Belt killed 34 Palestinians; from 5 to 7 August 2022, Operation Breaking Dawn killed around 50 Palestinians; in May 2023, Operation Shield and Arrow resulted in the deaths of 33 Palestinians and one Israeli; in October 2023, in retaliation for the Hamas attack in which more than a thousand Israelis, civilians and soldiers, were killed, the current operation called Iron Swords has so far claimed nearly 4,000 lives in Gaza and displaced more than 260,000 Palestinians. Although the number of victims on the Israeli side is exceptionally high due to the surprise effect, we will have to wait until the end of the conflict to know the full toll. The violence of Israel’s response to the Hamas attacks on 7 October leaves us to fear dire prospects for the people of Gaza.
This morbid account, which shows the disproportion of the forces involved, above all highlights the hypocrisy of the French media (and the Western media in general), whose double standard indignation systematically ignores the fate of the Palestinian people. Everyone rushes to the French broadcasts to express their support for the Israeli government, although the most openly fascist in power since the birth of the Hebrew state. They are literally terrified at the thought of this support being questioned, and of this doubt being expressed by a word they have spent so many years abusing. A word capable of bringing a career to a screeching halt at its mere mention: anti-Semitic. All of them, journalists and politicians, hand in hand, disregarding their past differences and disagreements, are today united in their zeal to use it against those they consider too unsympathetic to the Israelis and excessively compassionate to the Palestinians. Even measured, balanced positions and calls for peace or a ceasefire are burnt to a crisp by their unshakeable and total devotion to Israel, which they display with the utmost ostentation. To this end, their television and radio hosts, who share this veneration, offer them platforms. Platforms, forsooth! National stages worthy of the greatest theatres! On which they can pour out their hearts and take their share of the Israeli tragedy and condemn, sometimes to death, the sceptics, those who dare to mention the Palestinians, those « terrorists ».
Those Nazis.
And that’s it. The word hits like a ton of bricks. Not only are the Palestinians terrorists, but today they are also Nazis. And anyone who defends them or even thinks of caring about them is an anti-Semite. If the depth of human stupidity had a bottom, it would look like this. And we thought we had seen it a little more every day, given the emptiness of the analyses of the Ukrainian conflict. But despite what we think, we still have to dig and dig some more. Once the surprise of the Hamas attack had passed, instead of the minimum emotional tribute to the innocent Israeli civilian victims, we were treated to a recital by Greek mourners on ecstasy. Journalists, editorialists, pundits, philosophers, essayists, commentators and presenters are bending over backwards to grovel, disgrace and humiliate themselves like no one before them has ever done, in the basest, most despicable vein and most incredible communion in the face of the crimes being committed against the Palestinian people by Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, drunk with vengeance. Deaf or feigning deafness in the face of the worst pre-genocidal horrors uttered by Israeli officials – « We are fighting human animals and we act accordingly » declared Defence Minister Yoav Gallant – they are already justifying these present and future crimes in the full knowledge that Israel has never made the slightest distinction between armed militants of the Palestinian cause, whether they be Hamas, Fatah or the Palestinian Communist Party, and civilians, women, children or the elderly.
The narrative of the terrorist is as hackneyed as that of the anti-Semite pinned as a target on the back of anyone who criticises Israel’s policy of apartheid and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians, accompanied by the colonisation and expropriation of Palestinian land.
I don’t feel comfortable talking about the Resistance at a meeting devoted to « terrorism ».
It is true that our adversaries, the Nazis and their French allies, referred to us as terrorists in all the propaganda media, posters, newspapers and radio stations that they controlled. The pejorative description was intended to impress public opinion, but naturally we never accepted it.
We were volunteer fighters, who had accepted a hard life and the greatest risks to win back freedom. Our adversaries were an army of occupation that exploited our country and aimed to alienate its independence once and for all.
As for the terrorism perpetrated by the enemy, it would be wrong to believe that it was always in response to attacks by the Resistance. It was practised very early on under any pretext to show the population that it was the master. When it developed in response to sabotage or attacks, it was immediately disproportionate, often striking indiscriminately at innocent people, even hostages, and going as far as massacre, including of women and children, the destruction of houses and entire villages.
Raymond Aubrac, French Resistance fighter, in Topiques n°83, p. 7 to 10
Basically, it doesn’t matter how we judge Hamas after its attack. In any case, it has become common practice to equate any act of resistance with terrorism. In addition to Raymond Aubrac’s quote, we should remember that the Algerian FLN, a resistance movement against the French invaders, also committed acts that were described as terrorism. And frankly, this is not an untruth if you look at the definition of the word: terrorism is the deliberate use of violence for political ends, the psychological impact of which creates a climate of terror. This violence may be aimed, but it is most often indiscriminate, and its victims will be considered innocent by public opinion. Terrorism contains its own contradiction: as a weapon of the weak against the strong, it targets defenceless people indiscriminately. Yet who today would deny that the attacks perpetrated by the FLN were acts of resistance? The most important thing is not to determine whether a particular act is terrorist or not, but to determine the context in which it takes place and the causes behind it. But screaming about terrorism for the sake of screaming about terrorism, in front of an amnesiac audience, is precisely the way to avoid talking about the framework and the causes. As a result, some people tend to misuse the term not in terms of objective reality but in terms of their own interests or those of their class: while Hamas is a terrorist group, Al-Nosra in Syria was doing a good job and the Turkestan Islamist Party brings together Uighur citizens who have been pushed to the limit. Some are an inconvenience, others are a convenience, and vice versa, depending on which way the wind of necessity is blowing. This is wishful thinking, but it would be far more enlightening to point out, for example, that the current Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has favoured Hamas by supporting it financially, to the detriment of the secular Fatah, in order to weaken the latter, scuttle negotiations and create a division between Gaza and the rest of the Palestinian territories. Israel is not the only country to have deliberately nurtured a radicalism that has turned against it.
Today we live in societies where the pillars of power reject violence as a means of struggle and confine it to the exclusive use of the state. In France, the people withstands state violence with the consent of the same people who are now indignant that it is being used by the Palestinians against Israeli oppression. For those in power, there is nothing more contagious than an idea. It is, of course, morally unacceptable to rejoice in the deaths of innocent civilians, but it is equally unacceptable to consider only Israeli civilians and invariably keep silent about the countless Palestinian civilian deaths. Beyond compassion, we need to give meaning, to explain that it is violence that breeds violence, that it is a vicious circle that has been going on for nearly a century in the Middle East, and particularly in Palestine. And we must admit that this vicious circle is perpetuated by a Hebrew state that has become fascist and whose current government includes some of the most extremist, fundamentalist and supremacist Jewish figures in Israeli politics. The South African natives in the Apartheid era would have nothing to envy today’s Palestinians. Whether they are children, women or elderly people, and even more so young teenagers old enough to throw stones at tanks, in the eyes of a large part of Israeli society and for the Western media whose moral decay has been recorded, the lives of Palestinians are worth nothing and Israeli law has gradually legitimised the murder of these undesirables by the Tsahal soldiers.
To come back to the incalculable number of acts of violence committed against Palestinians over decades, with total indifference on the part of the Western media, would require dozens of articles, days and weeks of reading, an enumeration that would make your head spin. Giving a few examples would give no more idea than estimating the amount of sand in the desert with a single handful. No, we cannot have the slightest idea of what it is like to be a Palestinian under the Israeli boot, and those who still consider that their job is to inform the rest of the world have done so by risking their lives and even losing it under the bullets of the Israeli army. My present personal contribution is insignificant and infinitely less legitimate compared to these scrupulous observers of the evolution of Palestinian suffering. It will have no more effect on the media wall than the Gaza slings on the armour of the tanks. As a child and then as a teenager, I grew up with this conflict in which the Palestinians always played the villain. I didn’t know at the time that behind this wall, built on the foundations of a long history of persecution that culminated in the Final Solution, Jewish people could also commit the same crimes as those of which they had been victims. Journalism could already be the art of lying, the art of collaborating with oppressors, the art of serving oppressors wherever they acted. Today, this wall is crumbling, revealing a crude reality from which the words « terrorist » and « anti-Semitic » are no longer enough to avert our gaze. And to do justice to the Palestinians and to all those who have died or suffered for having done so, the first thing I can do, in all humility, is to highlight these shameful complicities. Since I have neither the talent nor the expertise to put them into words, I will paraphrase at length the words of the historian Barnaby Raine, reacting to the recent bombing of a hospital in Gaza and the media contortions that followed:
«Israel ordered 22 hospitals evacuated. The World Health Organisation called that a death sentence for patients in those hospitals who could’nt be moved and so were being left to die. One of the hospitals that Israel ordered evacuated was the hospital that is now being bombed. So Israel said it was going to bomb hospitals, then a hospital got bombed. Israel dropped more bombs on Gaza this week than America dropped on Afghanistan in the first year of their occupation of Afghanistan in 2001. […] A priest in Ramalla said: « We hold the occupying power responsible ». […] And we know that Israel continues to block electricity from baby incubators and dialysis patients, we know that Israel continues to block water from surgeons and elderly people, I mean, people in Gaza don’t have access to clean water, food from survivors and we know that Israel bombs roads after it tells people to flee along those roads. We also know that on October the 14th, Israel targeted ambulances and we know that before this bombing, Israel had already killed 28 medical staff in Gaza. We know too, as you said, that part of Israeli playbook is to lie about the attacks, the murders. It doesn’t please me to say this: in 1996, Israel shelled a UN compound in Lebanon, and blamed it on others. This was not true. In 2006, Israel murdered an entire family on a beach in Gaza. The IDF had a quick investigation that said the IDF was not responsible. It was not true. In 2014, Mark Regev, we’d seen him again on TV screens recently, claimed that UNRRA sites, that’s UN Refugee Agency sites, were used to launch missiles. The UN investigated: it was not true. Last year, Israeli forces murdered Palestinian journalist Shireen Abou Akleh, blamed Palestinians: it wasn’t true. Journalists can’t really investigate what’s going on in Gaza, because even the Washington Post, which is not, I tell you, a friend of the Palestinian people, says it is « becoming impossible to report from Gaza under the conditions of siege and bombardment that Israel has established ». So part of what concerns me here, looking at the Western media, because this whole brutal siege and bombardment campaign by Israel has been an object lesson in the racism that structures everything in our media ecosystem. It has been quite… well, I want to say « extraordinary » but I haven’t been that surprised, to watch Western journalists rush to report an old blood libel, to rush to report that 40 babies were beheaded by bloodthirsty savage Palestinians even though it later turned out that there was not much evidence for it, completely ignore Hamas’s accounts of what happened in their attack and just report the Israeli accounts. But then, when Israel says, despite its record of lying, when Israel says that they’re not sure who bombed this hospital or blames Palestinians for killing their own children, journalists rush to say of course that it must be measured and take them seriously, including, I should say, some left-wing journalists, and that’s concerning to people because it seems to be kind of double standard that reeks of racism. Raz Segal, the Israeli genocide expert, is calling what happens in Gaza as « a textbook case of genocide ». 800 legal scholars have written that they are « compelled to sound the alarm about the possibility of genocide in Gaza. It is clear that Israel is targeting civilians, they’ve targeted residential buildings, they’ve targeted journalists, they’ve targeted medics and medical facilities. This is not the first case. The question we, I think, should ask is « Why they’re doing this? Why this brutal blanket campaign ? Cutting off water ? If you didn’t want to target civilians, you wouldn’t cut off water, you wouldn’t cut off fuel. Why they’re doing it? They don’t need to, they have a Iron Dome missile defence system, that means most of the missiles that Palestinians fire at Israel don’t reach target. They could negotiate the release of hostages. There are six thousand Palestinian prisoners languishing in Israeli jails without receiving fair trial, serious allegations of torture, which we rarely hear about on the news that we hear about hostages in Gaza. They could negotiate for the release of their hostages. Instead, they are bombing Gaza and killing, by some reports, some of their own hostages. This won’t of course destroy Hamas. When you carpet bomb people who are living under a colonial siege and constant bombardment, the only effect it can have is to strengthen people’s fury, anger and resolve to resist the colonising power, so of course it won’t break resistance, even if they were to destroy Hamas’s infrastructure, something else would emerge in its place. So why, why are they doing this? It’s not by the way because Hamas caused the problem, because in the West Bank, where there is no Hamas regime, settlers have attacked funerals in the last week and launched attacks on Palestinian villagers, killing parents and children, and the IDF has shot and killed 62 Palestinians in the last week, when I last checked. In the West Bank, which is a place that does not have a Hamas government, and before this latest massacre, 2023 was already the deadliest year on record for children in the West Bank, with one child murdered every week by Israeli forces. So it’s not because there’s a resistance enclave that Israel is violent. It seems to have this lashing-out violent impulse regardless. The reason is that it is the logic of the coloniser, the reason is that Israelis know deep-down, and I am speaking here of some of my own family members, so it pains me, but they know deep-down that they are living in other people‘s stolen homes. They know that they are living in a state that was premised on an act of ethnic cleansing when 700,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes. That’s why Gaza is so densely populated, because most of the Palestinians living in Gaza aren’t from Gaza, they are refugees penned in there because they were chased out of other parts of Israel. And that’s why the important thing to do now is not simply to call for peace, not simply to call for the end of this massacre, though that’s crucial, but to understand that we want a world in which people don’t live penned into an open-air prison because they’re chased from their homes, to call not simply for peace, but for freedom. And to say, when we see people partying at a rave party and being killed by Hamas operatives, that they were partying five miles away from an open-air prison. If you move 5 miles from where those people were partying in Israel to Gaza, life expectancy drops 10 years. We don’t just want peace and the return of a world in which that is the case, we desperately want people all over the world, in our millions, for freedom, for everyone to be able to live a life of freedom and dignity, and that’s why we want victory for the Palestinian people.»<
And as there is nothing clearer than the words of the oppressor to give a glimpse of the martyrdom of the oppressed, here are those recently uttered by figures of the Hebrew State during the history of its oppression of the Palestinian people, demonstrating the racism that structures a society flawed by it:
Palestinians are beasts, not humans.
Eli Ben Dahan, Minister of Defense, 2013
What’s so horrifying about understanding that the entire Palestinian people is the enemy?… They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.
Ayelet Shaked, Minister of Justice, 2014
The Palestinian threat harbors cancer-like attributes that have to be severed. There are all kinds of solutions to cancer. Some say it’s necessary to amputate organs but at the moment I am applying chemotherapy.
Moshe Yaalon, General and Minister of Defense, 2002
[The way to deal with Palestinians is to] beat them up, not once but repeatedly, beat them up so it hurts so badly, until it’s unbearable.
Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister, 2001
Those who are with us deserve everything, but those who are against us deserve to have their heads chopped off with an axe.
Avigdor Lieberman, Minister of Foreign affairs, 2015
Our soldiers are the only innocents in Gaza. Under no circumstances should they be killed because of false morality that prefers to protect enemy civilians. One hair on the head of an Israeli soldier is more precious than the entire Gazan populace.
Moshe Feiglin, Speaker of the Knesset, 2014
The die is cast. And I’ll end on a note of gutter mediocrity, with the genocidal arsehole Ben Shapiro, muse of American conservatism, whom I’ve already mentioned.
The only solution for Israel is to annex the Gaza Strip and kill enough sons of bitches to make sure the problem never comes back.
Ben Shapiro, 2023
So, happy, bastard ?
Posted by: xiao pignouf | Oct 30 2023 5:13 utc | 674
Those with the luxury and time to think about philosophy of morals live in a
different world to those fighting for their very existence.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 29 2023 22:18 utc | 206
There it is! Quote of the thread. Thanks Peter.
Sandy F., Ed, Constantine, keep posting. A lot of drinks in the bar need stirring.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 30 2023 5:14 utc | 675
Those with the luxury and time to think about philosophy of morals live in a
different world to those fighting for their very existence.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 29 2023 22:18 utc | 206
There it is! Quote of the thread. Thanks Peter.
Sandy F., Ed, Constantine, keep posting. A lot of drinks in the bar need stirring.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 30 2023 5:14 utc | 676
Is it possible that Israel is waiting to invade because they want as many people in Gaza to die as possible? A siege situation combined with constant bombing (no water, medicine, electricity, or food resupply) may be exactly what they want.
Posted by: foggytowers7 | Oct 30 2023 4:55 utc | 341
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Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 5:26 utc | 677
Is it possible that Israel is waiting to invade because they want as many people in Gaza to die as possible? A siege situation combined with constant bombing (no water, medicine, electricity, or food resupply) may be exactly what they want.
Posted by: foggytowers7 | Oct 30 2023 4:55 utc | 341
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Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 5:26 utc | 678
Interesting stuff that people prefer to not see. Let’s not forget that the Black September terrorist group is linked to the PLO.
“Lest it is forgotten, Qatar and Israel had once collaborated since the mid-nineties to prop up Hamas as an Islamist antidote to the secular-minded PLO under Yasser Arafat.
In a recent interview with the Deutsche Welle, former Israeli Prime minister Ehud Olmert disclosed, inter alia, “We know that the Hamas was financed with the assistance of Israel— for years — by hundreds of millions of dollars that came from Qatar with the assistance of the state of Israel, with the full knowledge and support of the Israeli government led by Netanyahu.”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/indias-solidarity-with-israel-is-untenable/
Posted by: Surferket | Oct 30 2023 5:26 utc | 679
Interesting stuff that people prefer to not see. Let’s not forget that the Black September terrorist group is linked to the PLO.
“Lest it is forgotten, Qatar and Israel had once collaborated since the mid-nineties to prop up Hamas as an Islamist antidote to the secular-minded PLO under Yasser Arafat.
In a recent interview with the Deutsche Welle, former Israeli Prime minister Ehud Olmert disclosed, inter alia, “We know that the Hamas was financed with the assistance of Israel— for years — by hundreds of millions of dollars that came from Qatar with the assistance of the state of Israel, with the full knowledge and support of the Israeli government led by Netanyahu.”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/indias-solidarity-with-israel-is-untenable/
Posted by: Surferket | Oct 30 2023 5:26 utc | 680
The isreali iof claims to have struck 400+ targets in Gaza.
I have a sneaking suspicion only 5% of those targets actually translate to Hamas positions.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 5:28 utc | 681
The isreali iof claims to have struck 400+ targets in Gaza.
I have a sneaking suspicion only 5% of those targets actually translate to Hamas positions.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 5:28 utc | 682
Debsisdead
In the last nearly ten years, i have looked at the dead – victims of the empire of lies. Israel is nothing without its sugar daddy, just as nazi Ukraine is nothing without its master.
The killing will only stop when the empire of lies is stopped. The killing in Gasa is US. Done with a US nod and seal of approval. We are all nothing more than onlookers but best to keep an eye on the destruction of US power, the power behind the killing, rather than just stare at the dead.
Those dead in Gaza, how many to be killed in the future if the status quo of the last 50 years is not broken. Like the north Yemen tribes, the Palestinians will win. The have the change of era on their side, the global south on their side, the great and smaller powers of the multi-polar world on their side. Those pics of the emaciated mothers with emaciated babies from Yemen, many died but they held out and won. This will not stretch out years like Yemen.
It will be short and sharp.
Us only knows how to attack the defenseless. It seems intent on taking as many defenseless people as possible as it goes down the drain of history.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 5:30 utc | 683
Debsisdead
In the last nearly ten years, i have looked at the dead – victims of the empire of lies. Israel is nothing without its sugar daddy, just as nazi Ukraine is nothing without its master.
The killing will only stop when the empire of lies is stopped. The killing in Gasa is US. Done with a US nod and seal of approval. We are all nothing more than onlookers but best to keep an eye on the destruction of US power, the power behind the killing, rather than just stare at the dead.
Those dead in Gaza, how many to be killed in the future if the status quo of the last 50 years is not broken. Like the north Yemen tribes, the Palestinians will win. The have the change of era on their side, the global south on their side, the great and smaller powers of the multi-polar world on their side. Those pics of the emaciated mothers with emaciated babies from Yemen, many died but they held out and won. This will not stretch out years like Yemen.
It will be short and sharp.
Us only knows how to attack the defenseless. It seems intent on taking as many defenseless people as possible as it goes down the drain of history.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 5:30 utc | 684
Laith Marouf – Israel’s Genocidal Campaign on Gaza & Palestine & the Regional & Global Implications
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYfNIumFaw 36 mins quite good, calm, clear, and long term geopolitical implications … (opinions at least)
The coming end to White Racist power of the western world ….
@ 20 mins the war on Syria is the point where that US Empire post 1991
expansionism was put to an end – that is the furthest expansion of
American borders American Imperial borders where they were defeated On The
Ground by the Syrian military and all its allies behind it – so 1991 beginning
of expansion of the Empire 2013 2015 end of that expansion to the maximum
border line and then the war in Ukraine in 2021 is the beginning of the
shrinking of the Imperial borders this is the first time in Ukraine was the
first time when the American Empire lost territory – people think it’s
Ukrainian territory that was lost to the Russians no it was
American Imperial territory that was liberated by the Russians in Ukraine
so now today the war in Palestine the war in Gaza the genocide in Gaza what
we see is the beginning of the complete collapse of military might of the
whole empire in the form of its favorite Colony because if Israel is
defeated the United States will lose all its ability to project its military
power over Asia and Africa
so people have to put that in this context to understand how significant this
war is and it is right now made it very clear for anybody that was confused
in Asia in Africa and Latin America about American or Western speech of Human
Rights and so forth now it’s all clear we saw how in just a few days the
Israelis killed more children and more civilians than two years of war by the
Russians which means clearly that the Russians have conducted War within
international law and have tried as best as they can to minimize human
suffering while the United States and Israel is watonly destructive and
indiscriminately careless
…. nay genocidal perpetrators of evil.
@22 mins so with the American Retreat of their territory control in
Ukraine uh now we see that if the Americans are defeated in Palestine too
this will lead to a much larger Retreat of control of territory much of the
all of the Arabic world will exit its uh sphere of influence and uh much of
Africa will follow and and and Asia and what have you even you know look at
what’s happening in Latin America.
Hearing the (new leftish) president of Columbia speak in such language (is an
incredible shift) Colombia was the Israel of Latin America in terms of
American deep regional security infrastructure so the ramifications of the
war on Palestine even before it has ended are reverberating across the whole
globe and is ushering uh the end of US Imperial Hegemony.
@25:45 mins if we can understand that the world that we live in today is all as a
result of uh the the West uh you know controlling most of the planet at
the end of World War II and forcing the structures on it and now that we
see the West losing that control it’s clear that there’s even a chance
that uh institutions like the United Nations and Security Council and
all of these International laws and international humanitarian laws could
just collapse themselves.
So Palestine and the liberation of Palestine and the war in Gaza and the
genocide in Gaza are shaking not only the global structures of power
and changing that Dynamic but we are right now at a moment that
everything that was created by at the end of World War II as mechanisms
of International engagement are under a threat of total collapse — not
because of the Palestinian Valiant resistance to the abuse of these
structures but because the West is insisting to abuse these structures
and these laws out in the open and demanding that everybody follow them
so the results again of this war are already playing out and they will
be changing all of our lives on a global scale
@ 29:30 mins what is important right now to realize is that the
resistance of Arabic people the most vilified peoples in the western
media is liberating everybody and China now being uh the number
one economy in the world wouldn’t have happened if the Arabs gave up
the fight long time ago because the Americans would have been already
at their borders; the Russians being able to fight off NATO in Ukraine
wouldn’t have happened if all the Arabs gave up long time time ago; if
Syria didn’t withstand the GLOBAL WAR on it that started in 2012; so
these are the connections and this is why we see right now Russia
Rising again militarily and filling this space and China and we hope
that both China and Russia reciprocate the Goodwill because of the
spilling of ARAB BLOOD and as we see right now China is trying to take
up more space on International scale as we saw in the general assembly
and the security Council and taking clearer positions on
anti-imperialist struggles …
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 30 2023 5:31 utc | 685
Laith Marouf – Israel’s Genocidal Campaign on Gaza & Palestine & the Regional & Global Implications
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYfNIumFaw 36 mins quite good, calm, clear, and long term geopolitical implications … (opinions at least)
The coming end to White Racist power of the western world ….
@ 20 mins the war on Syria is the point where that US Empire post 1991
expansionism was put to an end – that is the furthest expansion of
American borders American Imperial borders where they were defeated On The
Ground by the Syrian military and all its allies behind it – so 1991 beginning
of expansion of the Empire 2013 2015 end of that expansion to the maximum
border line and then the war in Ukraine in 2021 is the beginning of the
shrinking of the Imperial borders this is the first time in Ukraine was the
first time when the American Empire lost territory – people think it’s
Ukrainian territory that was lost to the Russians no it was
American Imperial territory that was liberated by the Russians in Ukraine
so now today the war in Palestine the war in Gaza the genocide in Gaza what
we see is the beginning of the complete collapse of military might of the
whole empire in the form of its favorite Colony because if Israel is
defeated the United States will lose all its ability to project its military
power over Asia and Africa
so people have to put that in this context to understand how significant this
war is and it is right now made it very clear for anybody that was confused
in Asia in Africa and Latin America about American or Western speech of Human
Rights and so forth now it’s all clear we saw how in just a few days the
Israelis killed more children and more civilians than two years of war by the
Russians which means clearly that the Russians have conducted War within
international law and have tried as best as they can to minimize human
suffering while the United States and Israel is watonly destructive and
indiscriminately careless
…. nay genocidal perpetrators of evil.
@22 mins so with the American Retreat of their territory control in
Ukraine uh now we see that if the Americans are defeated in Palestine too
this will lead to a much larger Retreat of control of territory much of the
all of the Arabic world will exit its uh sphere of influence and uh much of
Africa will follow and and and Asia and what have you even you know look at
what’s happening in Latin America.
Hearing the (new leftish) president of Columbia speak in such language (is an
incredible shift) Colombia was the Israel of Latin America in terms of
American deep regional security infrastructure so the ramifications of the
war on Palestine even before it has ended are reverberating across the whole
globe and is ushering uh the end of US Imperial Hegemony.
@25:45 mins if we can understand that the world that we live in today is all as a
result of uh the the West uh you know controlling most of the planet at
the end of World War II and forcing the structures on it and now that we
see the West losing that control it’s clear that there’s even a chance
that uh institutions like the United Nations and Security Council and
all of these International laws and international humanitarian laws could
just collapse themselves.
So Palestine and the liberation of Palestine and the war in Gaza and the
genocide in Gaza are shaking not only the global structures of power
and changing that Dynamic but we are right now at a moment that
everything that was created by at the end of World War II as mechanisms
of International engagement are under a threat of total collapse — not
because of the Palestinian Valiant resistance to the abuse of these
structures but because the West is insisting to abuse these structures
and these laws out in the open and demanding that everybody follow them
so the results again of this war are already playing out and they will
be changing all of our lives on a global scale
@ 29:30 mins what is important right now to realize is that the
resistance of Arabic people the most vilified peoples in the western
media is liberating everybody and China now being uh the number
one economy in the world wouldn’t have happened if the Arabs gave up
the fight long time ago because the Americans would have been already
at their borders; the Russians being able to fight off NATO in Ukraine
wouldn’t have happened if all the Arabs gave up long time time ago; if
Syria didn’t withstand the GLOBAL WAR on it that started in 2012; so
these are the connections and this is why we see right now Russia
Rising again militarily and filling this space and China and we hope
that both China and Russia reciprocate the Goodwill because of the
spilling of ARAB BLOOD and as we see right now China is trying to take
up more space on International scale as we saw in the general assembly
and the security Council and taking clearer positions on
anti-imperialist struggles …
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 30 2023 5:31 utc | 686
Those with the luxury and time to think about philosophy of morals live in a
different world to those fighting for their very existence.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 29 2023 22:18 utc | 206
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Come on Peter, that’s not fair after your comment at 320. And there is a jerk using your post at 206 to make some kind of point. Drinks on the house?
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 5:34 utc | 687
Those with the luxury and time to think about philosophy of morals live in a
different world to those fighting for their very existence.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 29 2023 22:18 utc | 206
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Come on Peter, that’s not fair after your comment at 320. And there is a jerk using your post at 206 to make some kind of point. Drinks on the house?
Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 5:34 utc | 688
Ed | Oct 30 2023 5:12 utc | 347
Ed thanks for telling me that story. I suspect we have a lot in common. When I first went to the Kimberly’s in north west Australia, I was told how I should treat the blacks. I could not do that.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 5:39 utc | 689
Ed | Oct 30 2023 5:12 utc | 347
Ed thanks for telling me that story. I suspect we have a lot in common. When I first went to the Kimberly’s in north west Australia, I was told how I should treat the blacks. I could not do that.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 5:39 utc | 690
Posted by: SICKOF USA | Oct 30 2023 5:33 utc | 355
Does it matter?
They will bomb it regardless.
And do a self investigation to exonerate themselves.
Then the UN will appoint a Jew judge like Richard Goldstone to produce a report about their crimes.
Which he will then disavow once the Zionist Elders instruct him to.
And this the crime will be buried …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 5:43 utc | 691
Posted by: SICKOF USA | Oct 30 2023 5:33 utc | 355
Does it matter?
They will bomb it regardless.
And do a self investigation to exonerate themselves.
Then the UN will appoint a Jew judge like Richard Goldstone to produce a report about their crimes.
Which he will then disavow once the Zionist Elders instruct him to.
And this the crime will be buried …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 5:43 utc | 692
Posted by: SICKOF USA | Oct 30 2023 5:44 utc | 360
I’m confused that you’re confused not to bother to know how many Palestinians Israel has been killing with impunity in Gaza and West Bank.
Posted by: Surferket | Oct 30 2023 5:48 utc | 693
Posted by: SICKOF USA | Oct 30 2023 5:44 utc | 360
I’m confused that you’re confused not to bother to know how many Palestinians Israel has been killing with impunity in Gaza and West Bank.
Posted by: Surferket | Oct 30 2023 5:48 utc | 694
Ed, saw your 356 after posting my 358. 206 after 320? haven’t gone back to read them but far as I know, no username urspers at the moment. Dig deep and think. The world is complex, humans are complex.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 5:48 utc | 695
Ed, saw your 356 after posting my 358. 206 after 320? haven’t gone back to read them but far as I know, no username urspers at the moment. Dig deep and think. The world is complex, humans are complex.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 5:48 utc | 696
30 Oct 2023
my last question is since October 7 2023 what has the role been of the US and who is actually
making military decisions in Israel
@ 30:50 mins you know uh this is something that nobody
talked about in the western media because they were all um you know
crazed in their propaganda about “supposed killings” of civilians
that happened on October 7th but the 1,000 fighters from the
Palestinian resistance were able to take on 12 different
Brigades of the Israeli military and you know defeated them
in their bases.
So the elite units within the Israeli Ground Forces – 12 generals
their assistant, and their assistant assistants either were killed
captured or ran away in the face of 1,000 fighters from Hamas.
The ground forces of Israel are like 45 brigades so when you talk
about 12 Brigades that are the Elite part of the military you know
evaporating into nothing – that meant that there was a huge gap
within the IDF military structures and hierarchy of the Israeli
ground forces and the Americans from day one flew in generals
to fill this Gap in the hierarchy structure and so the Americans
have been actually leading this war on Gaza since October 7th
directly
It’s not an issue of only the 20,000 American troops that are
already on the ground or the American special forces that
attempted yesterday to for the second time to enter Gaza and got
you know minced by the Palestinian fighters in the concentration
camp of GAZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYfNIumFaw
https://www.laithmarouf.com/
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 30 2023 5:48 utc | 697
30 Oct 2023
my last question is since October 7 2023 what has the role been of the US and who is actually
making military decisions in Israel
@ 30:50 mins you know uh this is something that nobody
talked about in the western media because they were all um you know
crazed in their propaganda about “supposed killings” of civilians
that happened on October 7th but the 1,000 fighters from the
Palestinian resistance were able to take on 12 different
Brigades of the Israeli military and you know defeated them
in their bases.
So the elite units within the Israeli Ground Forces – 12 generals
their assistant, and their assistant assistants either were killed
captured or ran away in the face of 1,000 fighters from Hamas.
The ground forces of Israel are like 45 brigades so when you talk
about 12 Brigades that are the Elite part of the military you know
evaporating into nothing – that meant that there was a huge gap
within the IDF military structures and hierarchy of the Israeli
ground forces and the Americans from day one flew in generals
to fill this Gap in the hierarchy structure and so the Americans
have been actually leading this war on Gaza since October 7th
directly
It’s not an issue of only the 20,000 American troops that are
already on the ground or the American special forces that
attempted yesterday to for the second time to enter Gaza and got
you know minced by the Palestinian fighters in the concentration
camp of GAZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYfNIumFaw
https://www.laithmarouf.com/
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Oct 30 2023 5:48 utc | 698
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 0:19 utc | 240
In fact, the Palestinian cause would be the ideal thing for the CIA to get the Muslim parts of the Russian Federation destabilized …
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++++++++
I think that’s been part of the plan since day one. However, I am not convinced they will succeed.
Posted by: AI | Oct 30 2023 5:50 utc | 699
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 0:19 utc | 240
In fact, the Palestinian cause would be the ideal thing for the CIA to get the Muslim parts of the Russian Federation destabilized …
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++++++++
I think that’s been part of the plan since day one. However, I am not convinced they will succeed.
Posted by: AI | Oct 30 2023 5:50 utc | 700