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October 29, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-255

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Comments

Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 0:33 utc | 244–
Agreed, Zionists are just as fanatical/extremist as those they supported in Syria and who knows how many other places. The Dancing Zionists on 911 showed very well the demented mindset of those terrorists. Imagery accompanying the Narrative is vital to Zionist and Imperialist propaganda–those seeking freedom are never the victims of the genuine terrorists as it’s always depicted the other way around. The Grayzone’s report b linked in the week in review is critical. The Zionists in their minds panicked and made everything close to Gaza a free-fire zone regardless who was present. There was already a Zionist policy in place to kill all potential hostages and it’s now being codified by the Knesset. IMO, that proves more than anything the Anti-Human basis of Zionism, which is 100% against Mosaic Law and thus that of Yahweh’s.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 501

Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 0:33 utc | 244–
Agreed, Zionists are just as fanatical/extremist as those they supported in Syria and who knows how many other places. The Dancing Zionists on 911 showed very well the demented mindset of those terrorists. Imagery accompanying the Narrative is vital to Zionist and Imperialist propaganda–those seeking freedom are never the victims of the genuine terrorists as it’s always depicted the other way around. The Grayzone’s report b linked in the week in review is critical. The Zionists in their minds panicked and made everything close to Gaza a free-fire zone regardless who was present. There was already a Zionist policy in place to kill all potential hostages and it’s now being codified by the Knesset. IMO, that proves more than anything the Anti-Human basis of Zionism, which is 100% against Mosaic Law and thus that of Yahweh’s.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 502

Hey Susan, I think spare-truth is channelling dear old Circe from long ago. Peace sister.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 503

Hey Susan, I think spare-truth is channelling dear old Circe from long ago. Peace sister.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 504

Putin better wake up and do it in a hurry.
Do what? Take a breath to consider NY Post’s sources: Israel’s Foreign Ministry which said “that there were no Israeli citizens or Jewish people aboard the flight from Tel Aviv”, “other Jewish passengers” airlifted to Moscow but not Telegram’s TOU or detained mobsters yet to be interrogated by local detectives.
There’s a whole bunch of Muslim enclaves [sic] in Russia and I’m sure he doesn’t want another decade long Chechen war on his hands at this time.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 0:19 utc | 240
landssakes, aren’t you ambitious, blowing a “antisemetic” mob into EXISTENTIAL THREAT to the Russian Federation. I sure hope that ideer hasn’t spread to, say, Tatarstan or interrupt Chechen voluneers journeys to Gaza. Tell us anyway, What sort of ETHNIC TENSIONS in the enclave roil unmet right to return to their ancestral homeland?

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 505

Putin better wake up and do it in a hurry.
Do what? Take a breath to consider NY Post’s sources: Israel’s Foreign Ministry which said “that there were no Israeli citizens or Jewish people aboard the flight from Tel Aviv”, “other Jewish passengers” airlifted to Moscow but not Telegram’s TOU or detained mobsters yet to be interrogated by local detectives.
There’s a whole bunch of Muslim enclaves [sic] in Russia and I’m sure he doesn’t want another decade long Chechen war on his hands at this time.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 0:19 utc | 240
landssakes, aren’t you ambitious, blowing a “antisemetic” mob into EXISTENTIAL THREAT to the Russian Federation. I sure hope that ideer hasn’t spread to, say, Tatarstan or interrupt Chechen voluneers journeys to Gaza. Tell us anyway, What sort of ETHNIC TENSIONS in the enclave roil unmet right to return to their ancestral homeland?

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 506

suzan. Spell check.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 507

suzan. Spell check.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 508

@ spare_truth | Oct 30 2023 0:44 utc | 247
Spare truth, my friend, you are mistaken.
I am not a lady nor am I your perceived whatever. I am just a plebeian asking you to express yourself intelligibly to other plebeians,
If that is not your mission, understood.

Posted by: Suzan | Oct 30 2023 1:17 utc | 509

@ spare_truth | Oct 30 2023 0:44 utc | 247
Spare truth, my friend, you are mistaken.
I am not a lady nor am I your perceived whatever. I am just a plebeian asking you to express yourself intelligibly to other plebeians,
If that is not your mission, understood.

Posted by: Suzan | Oct 30 2023 1:17 utc | 510

@ Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 261
I gather that spare_truth is Greek and posts in what he thinks is English. I just ignore.
Similarly, DunGroanin posts mostly in James Joyce (as in Finnegan’s Wake), so I leave it to others to decipher.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 30 2023 1:19 utc | 511

@ Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 261
I gather that spare_truth is Greek and posts in what he thinks is English. I just ignore.
Similarly, DunGroanin posts mostly in James Joyce (as in Finnegan’s Wake), so I leave it to others to decipher.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 30 2023 1:19 utc | 512

@ Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 263
I try to post with a small cap “s” but sometimes the system overtakes my intention.

Posted by: Suzan | Oct 30 2023 1:21 utc | 513

@ Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 263
I try to post with a small cap “s” but sometimes the system overtakes my intention.

Posted by: Suzan | Oct 30 2023 1:21 utc | 514

In response to

Hari Seldon was a pschohistorian. Is that where you took your name?
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:03 utc | 257

I am an Asimov fan and have been reading his short stories publication since when he was still alive. The short version of my moniker meaning, which I have shared before, is like Hari with his context, I want to shorten the period that humanity has to live under the jackboot of global private finance by whatever amount my textual white noise here and wherever can do.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2023 1:22 utc | 515

In response to

Hari Seldon was a pschohistorian. Is that where you took your name?
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:03 utc | 257

I am an Asimov fan and have been reading his short stories publication since when he was still alive. The short version of my moniker meaning, which I have shared before, is like Hari with his context, I want to shorten the period that humanity has to live under the jackboot of global private finance by whatever amount my textual white noise here and wherever can do.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2023 1:22 utc | 516

malenkov, right. suzan has been posting here for a long time. Like me and others. You all know who you are. Anyway peace. I was just a little upset that he would attack suzan, whom I think is a thoughtful person. I definitely don’t want a battle of wits with an unarmed person

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:27 utc | 517

malenkov, right. suzan has been posting here for a long time. Like me and others. You all know who you are. Anyway peace. I was just a little upset that he would attack suzan, whom I think is a thoughtful person. I definitely don’t want a battle of wits with an unarmed person

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:27 utc | 518

RT has a “what we know” article up in the riots in Dagestan etc. for those who might be interested.
Ukrainian-linked anti-Jewish riot in Russia: What is known so far

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 30 2023 1:27 utc | 519

RT has a “what we know” article up in the riots in Dagestan etc. for those who might be interested.
Ukrainian-linked anti-Jewish riot in Russia: What is known so far

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 30 2023 1:27 utc | 520

landssakes, aren’t you ambitious, blowing a “antisemetic” mob into EXISTENTIAL THREAT to the Russian Federation. I sure hope that ideer hasn’t spread to, say, Tatarstan or interrupt Chechen voluneers journeys to Gaza. Tell us anyway, What sort of ETHNIC TENSIONS in the enclave roil unmet right to return to their ancestral homeland?
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 262
If you’re not by now aware of how the West destroys civilisations there’s really nothing I can help you with by way of explanation.
Except to say it’s hinted at in psychohistorian’s response to my post earlier on. Perhaps use that as a clue ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 1:28 utc | 521

landssakes, aren’t you ambitious, blowing a “antisemetic” mob into EXISTENTIAL THREAT to the Russian Federation. I sure hope that ideer hasn’t spread to, say, Tatarstan or interrupt Chechen voluneers journeys to Gaza. Tell us anyway, What sort of ETHNIC TENSIONS in the enclave roil unmet right to return to their ancestral homeland?
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 30 2023 1:13 utc | 262
If you’re not by now aware of how the West destroys civilisations there’s really nothing I can help you with by way of explanation.
Except to say it’s hinted at in psychohistorian’s response to my post earlier on. Perhaps use that as a clue ?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 1:28 utc | 522

Sorry Lady Suzan,
Your AI complaint is registered. But what you AI-guy mean by “..your words run on without pauses or breaks or ease for a weary eye..” ..?
A half-way capable intelligent human persons reading here – however, can understand my human comments here very well without any complaints.
So robot, go home and sleep a well AI dream – Have a very good cyber-night -bye bye.
Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 30 2023 0:44 utc | 247
I never read your comments for all the reasons given by Suzan who was kindly trying to help you.
I am sure many of us ploughing through the tsunami of comments will be less likely to strain their eyes to read your ruminations moving forward.
oh and take five minutes and google writing format for beginners
I always thought Suzan, a long time respected poster here was a guy lol
nite snarky rude guy

Posted by: ld | Oct 30 2023 1:31 utc | 523

Sorry Lady Suzan,
Your AI complaint is registered. But what you AI-guy mean by “..your words run on without pauses or breaks or ease for a weary eye..” ..?
A half-way capable intelligent human persons reading here – however, can understand my human comments here very well without any complaints.
So robot, go home and sleep a well AI dream – Have a very good cyber-night -bye bye.
Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 30 2023 0:44 utc | 247
I never read your comments for all the reasons given by Suzan who was kindly trying to help you.
I am sure many of us ploughing through the tsunami of comments will be less likely to strain their eyes to read your ruminations moving forward.
oh and take five minutes and google writing format for beginners
I always thought Suzan, a long time respected poster here was a guy lol
nite snarky rude guy

Posted by: ld | Oct 30 2023 1:31 utc | 524

The Bandit State does not have “borders”, only a number of Cease Fire Lines. Each cease Fire Line has ben violated many times.
That is how they have access to the Red Sea via “Elat”, formerly Um Ras Rash.

Posted by: Paul GV | Oct 30 2023 1:33 utc | 525

The Bandit State does not have “borders”, only a number of Cease Fire Lines. Each cease Fire Line has ben violated many times.
That is how they have access to the Red Sea via “Elat”, formerly Um Ras Rash.

Posted by: Paul GV | Oct 30 2023 1:33 utc | 526

Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:27 utc | 269 “battle of wits with an unarmed person”
So many top one liners pop here. 🙂

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 527

Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 1:27 utc | 269 “battle of wits with an unarmed person”
So many top one liners pop here. 🙂

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 528

I have new quandry that the Wise Ones at MoA might be able to help out with. But I suspect I can already guess the answers they will chime in with.
Why is the sky blue?
@Arch Bungle will say I am a fucking Hasbara Zionazi Troll for bringing that issue up in this forum because it doesn’t victimise Hamas and Palestinians enough and makes the Israelis sound justified for their bombing and land theft.
@LoveDonbass will say that we should not be trying to limit and categorise God’s Great Creations and, if we only loved each other more, the colour of the sky would not be an issue.
@Giyane, pbuh, will say that he alone knows the sky is actually pink and green, and that the reason everyone thinks it is blue is the fault of the USUKIS gang, the Jews, all the inauthentic Muslims, Bojo, his local MP, and everyone else who ventures any opinion on the matter.
@George Oprisco will say he has to do LOTS MORE research into that from thoroughly reputable, factual sources and get back to me. 3 days later, his 1000 word post will not be conclusive but just a copy-paste of the words of other people he agrees with and who postulate opinions on the colour of the sky which aggrandise his own intellect.
@Tom_Q_Collins will lament that the sky is not as blue as he once remembers it, and this is without doubt the fault of American and global political elites.
@PeterAU1 will say that he once knew an old shearer who, when asked the same question, just said “Pfft” and told him to fuck off with his stupid questions.
@Karlof1 will say because Putin makes it so.
@Aheno and Warxism and their ilk will say it is because capitalism dictates it to be so, and that when neo-Marxism is finally adopted by enough people in the world, everyone will finally know the truth about the real colour of the sky.
DunGroanin will say … dunno … fell asleep before I got to the end of his post.
@Just Another 9/11 will post that the sky is really a False flag Operation about which Something is not quite right there .
@James will say that he really appreciates the sky being there and that everyone should be free to state their own opinion about it, so long as you aren’t nasty to him about it.
@b will say please stuck to the topic, do not attack others, do not sockpuppet, and “I vill haff to start a new tread about dat”.
And some non-posters here might say the following:
@John Mearshiemer will say that 20 years ago he predicted the colour of the sky would change, and that a multipolar sky would be the best thing … so long as America still has the keys to controlling it.
@Scott Ritter will say that the sky is falling … and in the next 2 weeks.
@Joe Biden will say “What Sky? Oh, that sky. Yeah we have to fund keeping it up there”.
@Vladimir Putin will say that all peoples and countries the world over should have fair and equal access to the sky — “Sky hegemony is just not on”.
@Benjamin Netanyahu will say that Our God gave us the sky centuries back, and fuck you, were gunna fight anyone and everyone for it.
@Volodomyr Zelensky will say that Ukraine’s existence is absolutely necessary to the continuation of the sky and so long as the money keeps pouring it “We’ll fight for it to the last Ukrainian”.
@Hamas and The Palestinians will say, “Yeah, the sky IS falling upon us, when all we ever wanted was to live in our own land”.

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 529

I have new quandry that the Wise Ones at MoA might be able to help out with. But I suspect I can already guess the answers they will chime in with.
Why is the sky blue?
@Arch Bungle will say I am a fucking Hasbara Zionazi Troll for bringing that issue up in this forum because it doesn’t victimise Hamas and Palestinians enough and makes the Israelis sound justified for their bombing and land theft.
@LoveDonbass will say that we should not be trying to limit and categorise God’s Great Creations and, if we only loved each other more, the colour of the sky would not be an issue.
@Giyane, pbuh, will say that he alone knows the sky is actually pink and green, and that the reason everyone thinks it is blue is the fault of the USUKIS gang, the Jews, all the inauthentic Muslims, Bojo, his local MP, and everyone else who ventures any opinion on the matter.
@George Oprisco will say he has to do LOTS MORE research into that from thoroughly reputable, factual sources and get back to me. 3 days later, his 1000 word post will not be conclusive but just a copy-paste of the words of other people he agrees with and who postulate opinions on the colour of the sky which aggrandise his own intellect.
@Tom_Q_Collins will lament that the sky is not as blue as he once remembers it, and this is without doubt the fault of American and global political elites.
@PeterAU1 will say that he once knew an old shearer who, when asked the same question, just said “Pfft” and told him to fuck off with his stupid questions.
@Karlof1 will say because Putin makes it so.
@Aheno and Warxism and their ilk will say it is because capitalism dictates it to be so, and that when neo-Marxism is finally adopted by enough people in the world, everyone will finally know the truth about the real colour of the sky.
DunGroanin will say … dunno … fell asleep before I got to the end of his post.
@Just Another 9/11 will post that the sky is really a False flag Operation about which Something is not quite right there .
@James will say that he really appreciates the sky being there and that everyone should be free to state their own opinion about it, so long as you aren’t nasty to him about it.
@b will say please stuck to the topic, do not attack others, do not sockpuppet, and “I vill haff to start a new tread about dat”.
And some non-posters here might say the following:
@John Mearshiemer will say that 20 years ago he predicted the colour of the sky would change, and that a multipolar sky would be the best thing … so long as America still has the keys to controlling it.
@Scott Ritter will say that the sky is falling … and in the next 2 weeks.
@Joe Biden will say “What Sky? Oh, that sky. Yeah we have to fund keeping it up there”.
@Vladimir Putin will say that all peoples and countries the world over should have fair and equal access to the sky — “Sky hegemony is just not on”.
@Benjamin Netanyahu will say that Our God gave us the sky centuries back, and fuck you, were gunna fight anyone and everyone for it.
@Volodomyr Zelensky will say that Ukraine’s existence is absolutely necessary to the continuation of the sky and so long as the money keeps pouring it “We’ll fight for it to the last Ukrainian”.
@Hamas and The Palestinians will say, “Yeah, the sky IS falling upon us, when all we ever wanted was to live in our own land”.

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 530

@Arch Bungle will say I am a fucking Hasbara Zionazi Troll for bringing that issue up in this forum because it doesn’t victimise Hamas and Palestinians enough and makes the Israelis sound justified for their bombing and land theft.
Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275
Sorry if I hurt your feelings, man.
Feel free to make your actual point.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 1:40 utc | 531

@Arch Bungle will say I am a fucking Hasbara Zionazi Troll for bringing that issue up in this forum because it doesn’t victimise Hamas and Palestinians enough and makes the Israelis sound justified for their bombing and land theft.
Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275
Sorry if I hurt your feelings, man.
Feel free to make your actual point.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 1:40 utc | 532

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275
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Normally when a girl wants attention she posts pics on Instagram.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 30 2023 1:54 utc | 533

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275
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Normally when a girl wants attention she posts pics on Instagram.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 30 2023 1:54 utc | 534

Reuters has a posting up about what my country’s priority is
US House speaker plans vote this week on stand-alone Israel aid bill
The dude is a evangelical and representative of what happened to America when the motto changed from E Pluribus, Unum (Out of many, one) to In God We Trust….to me that God is Mammon

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2023 1:54 utc | 535

Reuters has a posting up about what my country’s priority is
US House speaker plans vote this week on stand-alone Israel aid bill
The dude is a evangelical and representative of what happened to America when the motto changed from E Pluribus, Unum (Out of many, one) to In God We Trust….to me that God is Mammon

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2023 1:54 utc | 536

Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 30 2023 0:44 utc | 247
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What is so hard about writing a comment in a form that might increase your readership? I have to agree with others, the form and size of a comment can determine if I will stop long enough to read it.
In my case, my content was apparently too “judgmental” and too “secular” for some people of faith here at MoA, including some people that I respect and enjoy reading their comments very much. I guess, it is all part of hanging out in a bar with a wide diversity of opinions and ideas.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 1:55 utc | 537

Posted by: spare_truth | Oct 30 2023 0:44 utc | 247
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What is so hard about writing a comment in a form that might increase your readership? I have to agree with others, the form and size of a comment can determine if I will stop long enough to read it.
In my case, my content was apparently too “judgmental” and too “secular” for some people of faith here at MoA, including some people that I respect and enjoy reading their comments very much. I guess, it is all part of hanging out in a bar with a wide diversity of opinions and ideas.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 1:55 utc | 538

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2023 1:54 utc | 279
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I agree with you, but don’t say it too loud.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 1:57 utc | 539

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2023 1:54 utc | 279
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I agree with you, but don’t say it too loud.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 1:57 utc | 540

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 15:45 utc | 54
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A very interesting source, including on Balfour and his declaration, is Morris Jastrow’s Zionism and the Future of Palestine: The Fallacies and Dangers of Political Zionism (Macmillan, 1919). It is available online as a pdf:
https://archive.org/details/zionismandfutur00jastgoog/page/n6/mode/1up?view=theater
Jastrow was an academic historian and linguist who specialized in the ancient Near East. But he also wrote a few books on then (and now still) contemporary issues.
Already the Intro makes some interesting points about Jewish religion/nationalism/statehood.
Just a look at the table of contents should pique the interest of most readers of this board.
The text is not searchable, but even the Preface and Intro are pretty thought-provoking. He dives right into the issue of Jews colonization of Palestine and the false claims of “political Zionists.” Later he discusses what Balfour actually meant in the declaration and/but also in later documents, writing:
“The basis of this assurance appears to be largely the statement made by the Right Honorable Arthur J. Balfour, Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, under date of November 2nd, 191 7, that the British government ” view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object.” The statement means much or little according as one gauges what Mr. Balfour had in mind in making it. It will be noted that Mr. Balfour avoids the term ” Jewish State,” and speaks only of a ” national homeland.” To a ” homeland ” for such Jews as have gone to Palestine or who propose to settle there, there is, of course, no objection; and I emphasize throughout this volume the desirability of encouraging the colonization movement in every possible way as much for the sake of Palestine as for that of the Jews, since the country can only benefit by the presence of a thrifty and industrious population devoted to the improvement of the land and to promoting its industrial and commercial activity. It all depends, therefore, on what is meant by ” national.” Mr. Balfour, it may be admitted, would not have used the term ‘had he not accepted the main contention of political Zionists that the Jews were a separate nation or nationality. Now Mr. Balfour, so far as known, has made no special study of either Jewish history or of the Jewish religion or of the psychology of the Jewish people. His type of mind is, as is well known, essentially skeptical, and he would be apt to view such a question as Zionism from the point of view of diplomatic policy. At all events he would probably be the last one to claim any weight attaching to his opinion of the crucial question, whether the Jews are a nation or merely a religious body that once wets a nation. The ultimate source, therefore, of the introduction of the term ” national ” into Mr. Balfour’s declaration is the platform of the political Zionists. If, therefore, it can be shown, as I propose to do in this volume, that this term cannot properly be applied to the Jews, the declaration would merely have the force attaching to any statement coming from so distinguished a personage as Mr. Balfour. Granting the full weight of the statement as it stands, it does not follow that Mr. Balfour favors the organization of the Jews, viewed as a national unit, into a political unit in Palestine to be placed in control of that country. He is silent on this essential point — naturally so, for Mr. Balfour is, above all, a statesman, and when he wrote this declaration, the issue of the war was still uncertain, and even he was not in a position to decide what should become of Palestine upon the termination of the great conflict. He could not at the time have envisaged more than the recognition of the Jews to the right of self-government in their colonies. We are now in a position, however, to appeal from Mr. Balfour of 1917 to Mr. Balfour of 1918, at a time when the war was approaching its close; Judging from his later utterance,^ it would seem that Mr. Balfour has been impressed by the opposition which, since his first declaration, Zionism had encountered in many circles. The emphasis is placed by him on Palestine as a home for ” homeless ” Jews. The *’ national homeland ” is not stressed, and it would appear that Mr. Balfour now views Zionism largely, if not purely, as an ameliorative measure for a portion of the Jewish people. He expresses his belief that those Jews who are led to go to Palestine will be happier in a “civil community which completely harmonizes with their historical and religious sentiments: a, community bound to the land it inhabits by something deeper even than custom.” To this every one interested in the welfare of such Jews as wish to settle in Palestine can cheerfully assent, but this is not political Zionism.”
Etc. Definitely an interesting read.
Jastrow also studied and wrote on the role of the Baghdad Railway in the run-up to WW1 (available online at the Internet Archive):
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.87467/page/n99/mode/2up

Posted by: Jane | Oct 30 2023 1:58 utc | 541

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 15:45 utc | 54
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A very interesting source, including on Balfour and his declaration, is Morris Jastrow’s Zionism and the Future of Palestine: The Fallacies and Dangers of Political Zionism (Macmillan, 1919). It is available online as a pdf:
https://archive.org/details/zionismandfutur00jastgoog/page/n6/mode/1up?view=theater
Jastrow was an academic historian and linguist who specialized in the ancient Near East. But he also wrote a few books on then (and now still) contemporary issues.
Already the Intro makes some interesting points about Jewish religion/nationalism/statehood.
Just a look at the table of contents should pique the interest of most readers of this board.
The text is not searchable, but even the Preface and Intro are pretty thought-provoking. He dives right into the issue of Jews colonization of Palestine and the false claims of “political Zionists.” Later he discusses what Balfour actually meant in the declaration and/but also in later documents, writing:
“The basis of this assurance appears to be largely the statement made by the Right Honorable Arthur J. Balfour, Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, under date of November 2nd, 191 7, that the British government ” view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object.” The statement means much or little according as one gauges what Mr. Balfour had in mind in making it. It will be noted that Mr. Balfour avoids the term ” Jewish State,” and speaks only of a ” national homeland.” To a ” homeland ” for such Jews as have gone to Palestine or who propose to settle there, there is, of course, no objection; and I emphasize throughout this volume the desirability of encouraging the colonization movement in every possible way as much for the sake of Palestine as for that of the Jews, since the country can only benefit by the presence of a thrifty and industrious population devoted to the improvement of the land and to promoting its industrial and commercial activity. It all depends, therefore, on what is meant by ” national.” Mr. Balfour, it may be admitted, would not have used the term ‘had he not accepted the main contention of political Zionists that the Jews were a separate nation or nationality. Now Mr. Balfour, so far as known, has made no special study of either Jewish history or of the Jewish religion or of the psychology of the Jewish people. His type of mind is, as is well known, essentially skeptical, and he would be apt to view such a question as Zionism from the point of view of diplomatic policy. At all events he would probably be the last one to claim any weight attaching to his opinion of the crucial question, whether the Jews are a nation or merely a religious body that once wets a nation. The ultimate source, therefore, of the introduction of the term ” national ” into Mr. Balfour’s declaration is the platform of the political Zionists. If, therefore, it can be shown, as I propose to do in this volume, that this term cannot properly be applied to the Jews, the declaration would merely have the force attaching to any statement coming from so distinguished a personage as Mr. Balfour. Granting the full weight of the statement as it stands, it does not follow that Mr. Balfour favors the organization of the Jews, viewed as a national unit, into a political unit in Palestine to be placed in control of that country. He is silent on this essential point — naturally so, for Mr. Balfour is, above all, a statesman, and when he wrote this declaration, the issue of the war was still uncertain, and even he was not in a position to decide what should become of Palestine upon the termination of the great conflict. He could not at the time have envisaged more than the recognition of the Jews to the right of self-government in their colonies. We are now in a position, however, to appeal from Mr. Balfour of 1917 to Mr. Balfour of 1918, at a time when the war was approaching its close; Judging from his later utterance,^ it would seem that Mr. Balfour has been impressed by the opposition which, since his first declaration, Zionism had encountered in many circles. The emphasis is placed by him on Palestine as a home for ” homeless ” Jews. The *’ national homeland ” is not stressed, and it would appear that Mr. Balfour now views Zionism largely, if not purely, as an ameliorative measure for a portion of the Jewish people. He expresses his belief that those Jews who are led to go to Palestine will be happier in a “civil community which completely harmonizes with their historical and religious sentiments: a, community bound to the land it inhabits by something deeper even than custom.” To this every one interested in the welfare of such Jews as wish to settle in Palestine can cheerfully assent, but this is not political Zionism.”
Etc. Definitely an interesting read.
Jastrow also studied and wrote on the role of the Baghdad Railway in the run-up to WW1 (available online at the Internet Archive):
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.87467/page/n99/mode/2up

Posted by: Jane | Oct 30 2023 1:58 utc | 542

What Israel wants is not complicated at all. They have said it openly many times.
Israel said many times there’ll be no Palestine. It’s all their Israeli land. Including parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-biden-netanyahu-control-lost-has
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/this-is-exactly-what-it-looks-like
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-brandishes-map-of-israel-that-includes-west-bank-and-gaza-at-un-speech/

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 30 2023 1:59 utc | 543

What Israel wants is not complicated at all. They have said it openly many times.
Israel said many times there’ll be no Palestine. It’s all their Israeli land. Including parts of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-biden-netanyahu-control-lost-has
https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/this-is-exactly-what-it-looks-like
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-brandishes-map-of-israel-that-includes-west-bank-and-gaza-at-un-speech/

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 30 2023 1:59 utc | 544

re Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275
“@Tom_Q_Collins will lament that the sky is not as blue as he once remembers it, and this is without doubt the fault of American and global political elites.”
this in fact is scientifically correct, lmao, as anyone who lived in a major city/town of the world can attest to, when during the covid lock-downs etc the skies over almost all cities in the world improved to unseen ‘blueness’ for a short time because of the lack of autos and industrial pollution. all of which has indeed been caused by the major industrial powers of the last 170+ years, particularly the USA and the UK, though now China is the biggest offender/polluter.
so, Tom Collins is correct, both metaphorically and literally. lol

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 30 2023 2:04 utc | 545

re Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275
“@Tom_Q_Collins will lament that the sky is not as blue as he once remembers it, and this is without doubt the fault of American and global political elites.”
this in fact is scientifically correct, lmao, as anyone who lived in a major city/town of the world can attest to, when during the covid lock-downs etc the skies over almost all cities in the world improved to unseen ‘blueness’ for a short time because of the lack of autos and industrial pollution. all of which has indeed been caused by the major industrial powers of the last 170+ years, particularly the USA and the UK, though now China is the biggest offender/polluter.
so, Tom Collins is correct, both metaphorically and literally. lol

Posted by: michaelj72 | Oct 30 2023 2:04 utc | 546

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275
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@Ed says that is one great job of pouting 😡 Sandy: It makes look like a piker.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:07 utc | 547

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Oct 30 2023 1:36 utc | 275
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@Ed says that is one great job of pouting 😡 Sandy: It makes look like a piker.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:07 utc | 548

@ Peter AU1 | Oct 29 2023 22:18 utc | 206
it is true what you say and forget about morals in war.. however, finkelstein is right on in all he says in the video.. i read the transcript -it is much quicker to get.. thanks for taking a look..
@ suzan… just ignore this poster spare_truth.. that’s what i’ve been doing.. ditto id and immaculate deception comments to you..
skipping sandy freemans commentary too fwiw..life is too short..

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2023 2:10 utc | 549

@ Peter AU1 | Oct 29 2023 22:18 utc | 206
it is true what you say and forget about morals in war.. however, finkelstein is right on in all he says in the video.. i read the transcript -it is much quicker to get.. thanks for taking a look..
@ suzan… just ignore this poster spare_truth.. that’s what i’ve been doing.. ditto id and immaculate deception comments to you..
skipping sandy freemans commentary too fwiw..life is too short..

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2023 2:10 utc | 550

It makes ME look like a piker.
Time to put the Pinot Grigio down.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:10 utc | 551

It makes ME look like a piker.
Time to put the Pinot Grigio down.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:10 utc | 552

Suzan | Oct 30 2023 1:17 utc | 264
What is a lady? A female that puts on airs and pretensions? My elder daughter at eighteen moths of age, if she was going to cry, she would find the nearest cloth and cry into that, not to cover her face and hide from the world, simply to soak up tears and snot. Many other similar mannerisms and that character she was born with has always stayed with her..
Something similar also comes through in writing/communication styles on the somewhat anonymous internet where we only know somebody by their writing.
It took a while but has made me refrain somewhat from the four letter vocabulary of my youth knowing there are ladies in the bar.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 2:13 utc | 553

Suzan | Oct 30 2023 1:17 utc | 264
What is a lady? A female that puts on airs and pretensions? My elder daughter at eighteen moths of age, if she was going to cry, she would find the nearest cloth and cry into that, not to cover her face and hide from the world, simply to soak up tears and snot. Many other similar mannerisms and that character she was born with has always stayed with her..
Something similar also comes through in writing/communication styles on the somewhat anonymous internet where we only know somebody by their writing.
It took a while but has made me refrain somewhat from the four letter vocabulary of my youth knowing there are ladies in the bar.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 2:13 utc | 554

@ ld | Oct 30 2023 1:31 utc | 272
Id, my friend, I was born female and although I have spent much of my life doing tasks which in the bourgeoisie west are assigned to men, I have always been a woman.
I love this time of year when the verdant greens of grass contrast with the senescence of the yellows of hostas and mulberries and the other crimson colors of dogwoods and maples which I planted decades ago as a young optimistic woman invigorating life into a dying homestead. I am the groundskeeper, planter, keeper and peace maker here, I try to do the man stuff but am lacking in some ways although some men are not as adept as I am. All the best.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 30 2023 2:14 utc | 555

@ ld | Oct 30 2023 1:31 utc | 272
Id, my friend, I was born female and although I have spent much of my life doing tasks which in the bourgeoisie west are assigned to men, I have always been a woman.
I love this time of year when the verdant greens of grass contrast with the senescence of the yellows of hostas and mulberries and the other crimson colors of dogwoods and maples which I planted decades ago as a young optimistic woman invigorating life into a dying homestead. I am the groundskeeper, planter, keeper and peace maker here, I try to do the man stuff but am lacking in some ways although some men are not as adept as I am. All the best.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 30 2023 2:14 utc | 556

@ ld | Oct 30 2023 1:31 utc | 272
Id, my friend, I was born female and although I have spent much of my life doing tasks which in the bourgeoisie west are assigned to men, I have always been a woman.
I love this time of year when the verdant greens of grass contrast with the senescence of the yellows of hostas and mulberries and the other crimson colors of dogwoods and maples which I planted decades ago as a young optimistic woman invigorating life into a dying homestead. I am the groundskeeper, planter, keeper and peace maker here, I try to do the man stuff but am lacking in some ways although some men are not as adept as I am. All the best.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 30 2023 2:14 utc | 557

@ ld | Oct 30 2023 1:31 utc | 272
Id, my friend, I was born female and although I have spent much of my life doing tasks which in the bourgeoisie west are assigned to men, I have always been a woman.
I love this time of year when the verdant greens of grass contrast with the senescence of the yellows of hostas and mulberries and the other crimson colors of dogwoods and maples which I planted decades ago as a young optimistic woman invigorating life into a dying homestead. I am the groundskeeper, planter, keeper and peace maker here, I try to do the man stuff but am lacking in some ways although some men are not as adept as I am. All the best.

Posted by: suzan | Oct 30 2023 2:14 utc | 558

The Old Testament story which includes the verse quoted by NutandYahoo:
The story goes that the Israelites failed to secure their promised land because they defied the order by YHVH to kill ALL.
One tribe was allowed to survive and eventually, that tribe killed the Jews.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 30 2023 2:24 utc | 559

The Old Testament story which includes the verse quoted by NutandYahoo:
The story goes that the Israelites failed to secure their promised land because they defied the order by YHVH to kill ALL.
One tribe was allowed to survive and eventually, that tribe killed the Jews.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 30 2023 2:24 utc | 560

Many of the top Hamas operatives more than 20 have died. The remaining top guns are planning to make a run for Egypt to get Sisi to help.

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:27 utc | 561

Many of the top Hamas operatives more than 20 have died. The remaining top guns are planning to make a run for Egypt to get Sisi to help.

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:27 utc | 562

suzan | Oct 30 2023 2:14 utc | 289
Thank you suzan for sharing this personal information’
I have always admired your posts insights and eloquence.
it’s funny how over the years we formulate our mental physical perceptions of people from their written words.
One day I shall send a few portraits of some of the barflies as I imagine them to b for a laff
Good Nite My Dear

Posted by: ld | Oct 30 2023 2:33 utc | 563

suzan | Oct 30 2023 2:14 utc | 289
Thank you suzan for sharing this personal information’
I have always admired your posts insights and eloquence.
it’s funny how over the years we formulate our mental physical perceptions of people from their written words.
One day I shall send a few portraits of some of the barflies as I imagine them to b for a laff
Good Nite My Dear

Posted by: ld | Oct 30 2023 2:33 utc | 564

Many of the top Hamas operatives more than 20 have died. The remaining top guns are planning to make a run for Egypt to get Sisi to help.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:27 utc | 292
During “Operation Cast Lead” we were told the same thing.
The fact is that nobody knows who the “top operatives” are.
Nobody knows how many were wiped out.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 2:36 utc | 565

Many of the top Hamas operatives more than 20 have died. The remaining top guns are planning to make a run for Egypt to get Sisi to help.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:27 utc | 292
During “Operation Cast Lead” we were told the same thing.
The fact is that nobody knows who the “top operatives” are.
Nobody knows how many were wiped out.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 2:36 utc | 566

Couple of years back by treaty Egypt passed control of 3 uninhabited islands to Saudi Arabian the Gazans might end up on these islands which the soddies want to turn to resorts.

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:37 utc | 567

Couple of years back by treaty Egypt passed control of 3 uninhabited islands to Saudi Arabian the Gazans might end up on these islands which the soddies want to turn to resorts.

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:37 utc | 568

Just stumbled across this crash course — Alastair Crooke’s October 8 article for Al Mayadeen English “Al Aqsa Flood: the surprise is that some were surprised.” Wish I’d read this at the time of publication. Would have saved me weeks of confusion — and surprise.
Speaking of Crooke and crash courses — Sept 12 Al Mayadeen English – “The New Commodity Powerhouse.“ If b linked to this earlier I am also sorry I missed this, which is the best (and clearest) primer on the emerging new financial order I have read.

Posted by: Pundita | Oct 30 2023 2:41 utc | 569

Just stumbled across this crash course — Alastair Crooke’s October 8 article for Al Mayadeen English “Al Aqsa Flood: the surprise is that some were surprised.” Wish I’d read this at the time of publication. Would have saved me weeks of confusion — and surprise.
Speaking of Crooke and crash courses — Sept 12 Al Mayadeen English – “The New Commodity Powerhouse.“ If b linked to this earlier I am also sorry I missed this, which is the best (and clearest) primer on the emerging new financial order I have read.

Posted by: Pundita | Oct 30 2023 2:41 utc | 570

About 20 were wiped out
And their names were released yesterday. There are 2 main top guns like Deif and Sinwar who will use the smuggling tunnels to Egypt

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:43 utc | 571

About 20 were wiped out
And their names were released yesterday. There are 2 main top guns like Deif and Sinwar who will use the smuggling tunnels to Egypt

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:43 utc | 572

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 29 2023 23:56 utc | 235
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Except the part that is in the Bible, (and you know how I feel about that) how does anyone know all of this. I mean Noah is a fictional character, I mean unless you believe in a worldwide deluge and an ark full of elephants and rhinoceros. Just joking Peter, in fact I do belive there was a local deluge around the Tigris and the Euphrates. The Epic of Gilgamesh, an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia is clearly the same flood as discussed in the bible, just about 900 years earlier, which blows the whole son of Noah out of the water, don’t you think?
There is something about the Jewish character, they like to adapt every other nation’s special history and culture as their own, especially when they are in captivity: Have you noticed that? If you read the stories in the Bible, you will see a lot of ancient Greek mythology in their stories. I recommend, if you are so inclined, to watch Myth Vision on YouTube sometime.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:44 utc | 573

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 29 2023 23:56 utc | 235
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Except the part that is in the Bible, (and you know how I feel about that) how does anyone know all of this. I mean Noah is a fictional character, I mean unless you believe in a worldwide deluge and an ark full of elephants and rhinoceros. Just joking Peter, in fact I do belive there was a local deluge around the Tigris and the Euphrates. The Epic of Gilgamesh, an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia is clearly the same flood as discussed in the bible, just about 900 years earlier, which blows the whole son of Noah out of the water, don’t you think?
There is something about the Jewish character, they like to adapt every other nation’s special history and culture as their own, especially when they are in captivity: Have you noticed that? If you read the stories in the Bible, you will see a lot of ancient Greek mythology in their stories. I recommend, if you are so inclined, to watch Myth Vision on YouTube sometime.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:44 utc | 574

Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:37 utc | 295
*** Couple of years back by treaty Egypt passed control of 3 uninhabited islands to Saudi Arabian the Gazans might end up on these islands which the soddies want to turn to resorts.***
Oh, sure … or the Israelis might end up clustered around Las Vegas.

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 30 2023 2:45 utc | 575

Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:37 utc | 295
*** Couple of years back by treaty Egypt passed control of 3 uninhabited islands to Saudi Arabian the Gazans might end up on these islands which the soddies want to turn to resorts.***
Oh, sure … or the Israelis might end up clustered around Las Vegas.

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 30 2023 2:45 utc | 576

Q1. Why does the Jewish State call itself “Israel” and not “Jewrael?”
Q2. Is it based on word-play of the type resorted to by Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinski hearings when he responded to a question with the retort: “That depends on what the meaning of “is” is.”

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 30 2023 2:46 utc | 577

Q1. Why does the Jewish State call itself “Israel” and not “Jewrael?”
Q2. Is it based on word-play of the type resorted to by Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinski hearings when he responded to a question with the retort: “That depends on what the meaning of “is” is.”

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 30 2023 2:46 utc | 578

Many of the top Hamas operatives more than 20 have died. The remaining top guns are planning to make a run for Egypt to get Sisi to help.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:27 utc | 292
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Reference please!

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:46 utc | 579

Many of the top Hamas operatives more than 20 have died. The remaining top guns are planning to make a run for Egypt to get Sisi to help.
Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:27 utc | 292
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Reference please!

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:46 utc | 580

Palestine Chronicle editor Ramzy Baroud writes
“…tiny little Gaza is the spark that has refocused the energies of the whole region…”
“…This is what Gaza has demonstrated to us and to anyone who is willing to liberate himself from decades of US indoctrination in the Middle East or beyond it:
“One, no peace, stability, security, or prosperity in the Middle East is possible without justice for Palestine and freedom for the Palestinian people. Two, though the Arabs have largely failed Palestine, and continue to do so, Muslim nations are finding a common ground around their support for the Palestinian people. If this momentum continues – and it should – it will be a game changer.
“Three, Israel is militarily weak and, despite all assurances by Tel Aviv throughout the years, it is nothing but a vassal, a client regime for Washington. Its survival is linked to Washington’s support in every possible way.
“Four, the US no longer holds all the cards. With the unity of Resistance throughout the Middle East, the growing clout of Iran, the refusal of Arab countries to play the role of lackeys for Washington and the strong position from China, Russia, Iran, Turkey and others, the region is no longer an American playbook.
“Five, armed resistance is not a fantasy, as many have believed and repeated throughout the years. True, while Gaza, on its own, will not be able to defeat Israel, the combined power of the Resistance is demonstrating that Israel is no longer the all-powerful country that, single handedly – with American support, of course – defeated several Arab armies in 1967.
“Six, and perhaps, the most important of all these realizations, is that Gaza has ended the sectarian war in the Middle East, a decades-long conflict that has been stirred by numerous parties, including the US, Israel, Middle Eastern governments and many terrorist groups.
“When the US launched its war on Afghanistan in 2001 and, again, on Iraq in 2003, it hardly expected that the Middle East, merely two decades later, would reinvent itself beyond American definitions and expectations.
“And to think that tiny little Gaza is the spark that has refocused the energies of the whole region is a political miracle, that many political scientists will find difficult to understand, let alone explain.”
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/the-gaza-manifesto-why-americas-old-middle-east-is-crumbling/
Hutch @295; Go to bed.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 30 2023 2:48 utc | 581

Palestine Chronicle editor Ramzy Baroud writes
“…tiny little Gaza is the spark that has refocused the energies of the whole region…”
“…This is what Gaza has demonstrated to us and to anyone who is willing to liberate himself from decades of US indoctrination in the Middle East or beyond it:
“One, no peace, stability, security, or prosperity in the Middle East is possible without justice for Palestine and freedom for the Palestinian people. Two, though the Arabs have largely failed Palestine, and continue to do so, Muslim nations are finding a common ground around their support for the Palestinian people. If this momentum continues – and it should – it will be a game changer.
“Three, Israel is militarily weak and, despite all assurances by Tel Aviv throughout the years, it is nothing but a vassal, a client regime for Washington. Its survival is linked to Washington’s support in every possible way.
“Four, the US no longer holds all the cards. With the unity of Resistance throughout the Middle East, the growing clout of Iran, the refusal of Arab countries to play the role of lackeys for Washington and the strong position from China, Russia, Iran, Turkey and others, the region is no longer an American playbook.
“Five, armed resistance is not a fantasy, as many have believed and repeated throughout the years. True, while Gaza, on its own, will not be able to defeat Israel, the combined power of the Resistance is demonstrating that Israel is no longer the all-powerful country that, single handedly – with American support, of course – defeated several Arab armies in 1967.
“Six, and perhaps, the most important of all these realizations, is that Gaza has ended the sectarian war in the Middle East, a decades-long conflict that has been stirred by numerous parties, including the US, Israel, Middle Eastern governments and many terrorist groups.
“When the US launched its war on Afghanistan in 2001 and, again, on Iraq in 2003, it hardly expected that the Middle East, merely two decades later, would reinvent itself beyond American definitions and expectations.
“And to think that tiny little Gaza is the spark that has refocused the energies of the whole region is a political miracle, that many political scientists will find difficult to understand, let alone explain.”
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/the-gaza-manifesto-why-americas-old-middle-east-is-crumbling/
Hutch @295; Go to bed.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 30 2023 2:48 utc | 582

I was on a mustering job one time in my little open cockpit whirly bird and flew into a heavy rain shower. Everything was soaked and I wasn’t getting any replies on the radio. With that job, communication with the ground crew is essential. I was pressing buttons, wriggling connections and using every swear word I knew for about fifteen minutes straight. It finally started operating again and we completed the muster. When I landed, and talked to the ground crew, I realized the problem was my push to talk button had stuck at the on position.
Every radio UHF in the area had been dialed into to channel to listen on the progress of the muster. Kids doing distance ed had it going in the background to listen in while doing school lessons, neighboring stations ect. Talk about embarrassing. I had do a Sargent Shultz “I know nuttink” for awhile.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 2:51 utc | 583

I was on a mustering job one time in my little open cockpit whirly bird and flew into a heavy rain shower. Everything was soaked and I wasn’t getting any replies on the radio. With that job, communication with the ground crew is essential. I was pressing buttons, wriggling connections and using every swear word I knew for about fifteen minutes straight. It finally started operating again and we completed the muster. When I landed, and talked to the ground crew, I realized the problem was my push to talk button had stuck at the on position.
Every radio UHF in the area had been dialed into to channel to listen on the progress of the muster. Kids doing distance ed had it going in the background to listen in while doing school lessons, neighboring stations ect. Talk about embarrassing. I had do a Sargent Shultz “I know nuttink” for awhile.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 30 2023 2:51 utc | 584

Its about time the people of Gaza and the West Bank renamed their areas “Palestine” and took away Israel’s power to divide…

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 30 2023 2:54 utc | 585

Its about time the people of Gaza and the West Bank renamed their areas “Palestine” and took away Israel’s power to divide…

Posted by: HERMIUS | Oct 30 2023 2:54 utc | 586

Posted by: suzan | Oct 30 2023 2:14 utc | 289
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I live in East Texas, after this record summer heat wave, all we have to look at is dead grass and weeds. I used to have an immaculate green lawn. Sniff, sniff. Need a job? :)!

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:54 utc | 587

Posted by: suzan | Oct 30 2023 2:14 utc | 289
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I live in East Texas, after this record summer heat wave, all we have to look at is dead grass and weeds. I used to have an immaculate green lawn. Sniff, sniff. Need a job? :)!

Posted by: Ed | Oct 30 2023 2:54 utc | 588

Ed 301 I think it was on Ynet news or times of Israel a few hours back.

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:59 utc | 589

Ed 301 I think it was on Ynet news or times of Israel a few hours back.

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:59 utc | 590

Bevin jump in the lake to cool yourself.

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 3:04 utc | 591

Bevin jump in the lake to cool yourself.

Posted by: Hutch | Oct 30 2023 3:04 utc | 592

@ Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:27 utc | 292
“Many of the top Hamas operatives more than 20 have died. The remaining top guns are planning to make a run for Egypt to get Sisi to help.”
The real Hamas top is way older and lives in Qatar since long; they are also rich. Shia money to support some Gazan Sunnis is the Iranian Ayatollah’s game. Till recently Mossad was encouraging Qatar to keep on paying them!
Muslims are easy as patsies because they taught not to think at all: read only the Koran!!

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 3:10 utc | 593

@ Hutch | Oct 30 2023 2:27 utc | 292
“Many of the top Hamas operatives more than 20 have died. The remaining top guns are planning to make a run for Egypt to get Sisi to help.”
The real Hamas top is way older and lives in Qatar since long; they are also rich. Shia money to support some Gazan Sunnis is the Iranian Ayatollah’s game. Till recently Mossad was encouraging Qatar to keep on paying them!
Muslims are easy as patsies because they taught not to think at all: read only the Koran!!

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 3:10 utc | 594

@ Antonym | Oct 30 2023 3:10 utc | 308
the hate is a sad reflection you antonym… but i am sure you are incapable of seeing it and this wake up call won’t be enough..

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2023 3:14 utc | 595

@ Antonym | Oct 30 2023 3:10 utc | 308
the hate is a sad reflection you antonym… but i am sure you are incapable of seeing it and this wake up call won’t be enough..

Posted by: james | Oct 30 2023 3:14 utc | 596

However this ends, there will never be a two stare solution, nor is it likely there will be a one state solution. Israel, like the US is not agreement capable. No idea how it ends.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 3:17 utc | 597

However this ends, there will never be a two stare solution, nor is it likely there will be a one state solution. Israel, like the US is not agreement capable. No idea how it ends.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 30 2023 3:17 utc | 598

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 14:54 utc | 34
Where the hell did all this ahistorical nonsense about Khazars came from? How many times does it need to be stated: the Jews in their great majority are descendants of converts of numerous nations and ethnic groups and this process started long before any freaking Khazars. Arch-Bungle correctly points that there are many more groups that comprise the Jewish people and go beyond the Ashkenazi.
It seems that many folks have a serious difficulty to grasp sociological processes such as that of identity construction. Long before any Khazars showed up in history, during the Hellenistic era, the jewish communities began to accept converts. This development that almost certainly started in Egypt allowed the massive increase of the Jewish communities throughout the eastern Mediterranean, something that simply couldn’t happen through biological increase. Moreover, this wasn’t some great conspiratorial plan.
The Ashkenazi themselves aren’t extra-terrestrials. The communities formed from central and northern European converts would be bolstered by a flow of Jewsih immigrants from the Mediterranean area, mainly Sephardim and Mizrahi. Obviously, after a period the newcomers would adopt most of the customs and traditions of the Ashkenazi hosts. That include the Yiddish language which is a German dialect.
The process was similar though through a different course with the Arabs. The original Muslim conquerors were not significant in numbers to inmundate the entire MENA area. Yet, through Arabization, most Arabs are to be found outside their ancestral homeland. That includes Egypt, the most populous Arab nation.
Goes without saying that the majority of the biological descendants of the ancient Yehudim are the Palestinians.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 30 2023 3:17 utc | 599

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 14:54 utc | 34
Where the hell did all this ahistorical nonsense about Khazars came from? How many times does it need to be stated: the Jews in their great majority are descendants of converts of numerous nations and ethnic groups and this process started long before any freaking Khazars. Arch-Bungle correctly points that there are many more groups that comprise the Jewish people and go beyond the Ashkenazi.
It seems that many folks have a serious difficulty to grasp sociological processes such as that of identity construction. Long before any Khazars showed up in history, during the Hellenistic era, the jewish communities began to accept converts. This development that almost certainly started in Egypt allowed the massive increase of the Jewish communities throughout the eastern Mediterranean, something that simply couldn’t happen through biological increase. Moreover, this wasn’t some great conspiratorial plan.
The Ashkenazi themselves aren’t extra-terrestrials. The communities formed from central and northern European converts would be bolstered by a flow of Jewsih immigrants from the Mediterranean area, mainly Sephardim and Mizrahi. Obviously, after a period the newcomers would adopt most of the customs and traditions of the Ashkenazi hosts. That include the Yiddish language which is a German dialect.
The process was similar though through a different course with the Arabs. The original Muslim conquerors were not significant in numbers to inmundate the entire MENA area. Yet, through Arabization, most Arabs are to be found outside their ancestral homeland. That includes Egypt, the most populous Arab nation.
Goes without saying that the majority of the biological descendants of the ancient Yehudim are the Palestinians.

Posted by: Constantine | Oct 30 2023 3:17 utc | 600