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October 29, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-255
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Is Hezbollah in this or not? Thoughts from the bar?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
Is Hezbollah in this or not? Thoughts from the bar?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 2
Is Hezbollah in this or not?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
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Consider the discipline patience requires.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 29 2023 13:24 utc | 3
Is Hezbollah in this or not?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
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Consider the discipline patience requires.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 29 2023 13:24 utc | 4
Some might wonder what happens after Gaza.
Remembering one of the major beliefs of humans:
“Paradise is ever on the other side of violence”
Will there be paradise, and if not does that mean
people will continue to seek it through violence?
With Palestinians cleansed from the West Bank and Gaza
all should be peaceful in Israel, no?
No
Were you aware of the two stark divisions amongst Israelis themselves?
Read about it.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-ethnic-tensions-helped-fuel-netanyahus-victory/
The division is what gave us Netanyahu in the first place.
Also, one division, Mizrahi, are expecting the rebuilding of the Temple
where Al-Aqsa is. They also want the restoration of ‘The Land of Israel’.
You might believe that that restoration ends with the West Bank and Gaza,
but what do the Mizrahi themselves believe is ‘The Land of Israel’?
Who gets cleansed next?
Posted by: librul | Oct 29 2023 13:28 utc | 5
Some might wonder what happens after Gaza.
Remembering one of the major beliefs of humans:
“Paradise is ever on the other side of violence”
Will there be paradise, and if not does that mean
people will continue to seek it through violence?
With Palestinians cleansed from the West Bank and Gaza
all should be peaceful in Israel, no?
No
Were you aware of the two stark divisions amongst Israelis themselves?
Read about it.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-ethnic-tensions-helped-fuel-netanyahus-victory/
The division is what gave us Netanyahu in the first place.
Also, one division, Mizrahi, are expecting the rebuilding of the Temple
where Al-Aqsa is. They also want the restoration of ‘The Land of Israel’.
You might believe that that restoration ends with the West Bank and Gaza,
but what do the Mizrahi themselves believe is ‘The Land of Israel’?
Who gets cleansed next?
Posted by: librul | Oct 29 2023 13:28 utc | 6
too scents @ 2
That is exactly what I have been considering. And losing faith. Being surrounded by screaming batshit insane American Jews is not helping sober analysis here.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:37 utc | 7
too scents @ 2
That is exactly what I have been considering. And losing faith. Being surrounded by screaming batshit insane American Jews is not helping sober analysis here.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:37 utc | 8
Is Hezbollah in this or not? Thoughts from the bar?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
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Norman Finklestein @ 47:45 in the interview with Chris Hedges:
“It does not seem that Hezbollah will accept it [Israeli plan]. And first of all, because of a feeling of solidarity, but also because it will completely discredit it as an organization. If Hezbollah allows Israel to carry on what’s called a second Nakba expulsion, they lose all credibility, then they’re just wingbats(?). So just from the point of view, as you can use the expression, just from the organizational point of view they have to do something – and then all bets are off”
The link again:
Finklestein/Hedges
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 29 2023 13:39 utc | 9
Is Hezbollah in this or not? Thoughts from the bar?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
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Norman Finklestein @ 47:45 in the interview with Chris Hedges:
“It does not seem that Hezbollah will accept it [Israeli plan]. And first of all, because of a feeling of solidarity, but also because it will completely discredit it as an organization. If Hezbollah allows Israel to carry on what’s called a second Nakba expulsion, they lose all credibility, then they’re just wingbats(?). So just from the point of view, as you can use the expression, just from the organizational point of view they have to do something – and then all bets are off”
The link again:
Finklestein/Hedges
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 29 2023 13:39 utc | 10
@oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
Hmm, Hezbollah is in southern Lebanon and there are some 80K+ American citizens in said nation. I wonder what the US government thinks?
The State Department recommends that U.S. citizens in Lebanon leave now, while commercial flights remain available, due to the unpredictable security situation.
There is no guarantee the U.S. government will evacuate private U.S. citizens and their family members in a crisis situation.
10:16 PM · Oct 27, 2023
https://twitter.com/usembassybeirut/status/1718134586096366012?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Posted by: majoab | Oct 29 2023 13:45 utc | 11
@oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
Hmm, Hezbollah is in southern Lebanon and there are some 80K+ American citizens in said nation. I wonder what the US government thinks?
The State Department recommends that U.S. citizens in Lebanon leave now, while commercial flights remain available, due to the unpredictable security situation.
There is no guarantee the U.S. government will evacuate private U.S. citizens and their family members in a crisis situation.
10:16 PM · Oct 27, 2023
https://twitter.com/usembassybeirut/status/1718134586096366012?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Posted by: majoab | Oct 29 2023 13:45 utc | 12
Today, Russia’s MFA published the following Press Release explaining the recent UNSC attempts to act on the Palestinian Crisis and that undertaken by the UNGA:
On October 25, the UN Security Council made another attempt to adopt a resolution in connection with the unprecedented escalation of tensions in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict zone. Two draft resolutions were put to the vote – an American one and an alternative Russian one. Both documents have not passed, and the principal organ for the maintenance of international peace and security has once again failed to fulfil the tasks entrusted to it.
By introducing its draft after it consistently blocked (October 16) and single-handedly vetoed (October 18) the Russian and Brazilian texts, the United States pursued goals that are in fact far from the goal of stopping the bloodshed and alleviating the suffering of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
The U.S. draft was permeated by a one-sided condemnation of Hamas and Israel’s right to self-defense. However, the authors were not embarrassed by the fact that, under international humanitarian law, the occupying Power had no such right over occupied territory. The document did not contain provisions for a ceasefire, lifting the blockade of the Gaza Strip, ensuring the unimpeded delivery of essential humanitarian aid, and preventing the forced displacement of more than 1 million people. The sponsors had ignored the comments made by other delegations and had persistently “pushed” their text in violation of existing negotiation procedures.
In these circumstances, Russian representatives introduced an alternative draft resolution, which, unlike the American one, contained these key humanitarian elements, was designed to stop the bloodshed and take the long-awaited step towards restoring peace and security in the region.
However, it was once again blocked by the United States and its allies in the Security Council, and the chance to de-escalate tensions and prevent a large-scale humanitarian catastrophe was once again missed.
On October 26, the 10th Emergency Special Session on Israel’s illegal actions in Occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory was resumed at the UN General Assembly at the initiative of a number of countries, including Russia. Within its framework, a group of Arab States and other key regional leaders came up with a draft resolution to that effect (Russia was among the 40 sponsors).
The document clearly spells out the need for a sustainable truce with a further cessation of hostilities, the establishment of humanitarian access to all those in need in the Gaza Strip, the release of civilians, as well as the rejection of the forced displacement of the population of the enclave, the creation of a special mechanism for the protection of Palestinians and the settlement of the conflict on a two-state basis. On October 27, the resolution “Protection of civilians and compliance with legal and humanitarian obligations” was adopted by the majority of UN member states (120 states).
The United States and Israel, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, the Czech Republic, as well as Guatemala, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Tonga and Fiji opposed it.
As mentioned, the Outlaw US Empire’s draft contained nothing to ease the situation and actually would have enflamed it more. Such it its policy, which proves yet again that it’s the leading Anti-Human force on the planet. Deeds as usual far outweigh words whereas in this case they are both combined and merely confirms to the world the grand unsuitability of the Outlaw US Empire.
Today, Russia’s MFA published the following Press Release explaining the recent UNSC attempts to act on the Palestinian Crisis and that undertaken by the UNGA:
On October 25, the UN Security Council made another attempt to adopt a resolution in connection with the unprecedented escalation of tensions in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict zone. Two draft resolutions were put to the vote – an American one and an alternative Russian one. Both documents have not passed, and the principal organ for the maintenance of international peace and security has once again failed to fulfil the tasks entrusted to it.
By introducing its draft after it consistently blocked (October 16) and single-handedly vetoed (October 18) the Russian and Brazilian texts, the United States pursued goals that are in fact far from the goal of stopping the bloodshed and alleviating the suffering of Palestinian and Israeli civilians.
The U.S. draft was permeated by a one-sided condemnation of Hamas and Israel’s right to self-defense. However, the authors were not embarrassed by the fact that, under international humanitarian law, the occupying Power had no such right over occupied territory. The document did not contain provisions for a ceasefire, lifting the blockade of the Gaza Strip, ensuring the unimpeded delivery of essential humanitarian aid, and preventing the forced displacement of more than 1 million people. The sponsors had ignored the comments made by other delegations and had persistently “pushed” their text in violation of existing negotiation procedures.
In these circumstances, Russian representatives introduced an alternative draft resolution, which, unlike the American one, contained these key humanitarian elements, was designed to stop the bloodshed and take the long-awaited step towards restoring peace and security in the region.
However, it was once again blocked by the United States and its allies in the Security Council, and the chance to de-escalate tensions and prevent a large-scale humanitarian catastrophe was once again missed.
On October 26, the 10th Emergency Special Session on Israel’s illegal actions in Occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory was resumed at the UN General Assembly at the initiative of a number of countries, including Russia. Within its framework, a group of Arab States and other key regional leaders came up with a draft resolution to that effect (Russia was among the 40 sponsors).
The document clearly spells out the need for a sustainable truce with a further cessation of hostilities, the establishment of humanitarian access to all those in need in the Gaza Strip, the release of civilians, as well as the rejection of the forced displacement of the population of the enclave, the creation of a special mechanism for the protection of Palestinians and the settlement of the conflict on a two-state basis. On October 27, the resolution “Protection of civilians and compliance with legal and humanitarian obligations” was adopted by the majority of UN member states (120 states).
The United States and Israel, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, the Czech Republic, as well as Guatemala, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Tonga and Fiji opposed it.
As mentioned, the Outlaw US Empire’s draft contained nothing to ease the situation and actually would have enflamed it more. Such it its policy, which proves yet again that it’s the leading Anti-Human force on the planet. Deeds as usual far outweigh words whereas in this case they are both combined and merely confirms to the world the grand unsuitability of the Outlaw US Empire.
screaming batshit insane American Jews
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:37 utc | 4
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They want you to be reactionary.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 29 2023 13:47 utc | 15
screaming batshit insane American Jews
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:37 utc | 4
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They want you to be reactionary.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 29 2023 13:47 utc | 16
I have been threatening to write about the Balfour Declaration. So this is a start.
But first to even address that , the usual dots of history must be first recognised then connected. I could go back a long long way, maybe will later for further context but let’s start with this excerpt. Which puts the C19th British Empire in the frame.
‘ In 1838, an Arab revolt took place in Greater Syria, run by Muhammad Ali, the Ottoman viceroy of Egypt. British Foreign Secretary Palmerston offered the Sultan of Turkey British help in putting down the revolt, and in return, Britain was given the right to establish a vice-consulate in Jerusalem. Once this beachhead for the Empire was secured, the British decided to use a fledgling Zionist movement as their proxy, to increase their presence in the Holy Land.
In 1840, Palmerston sent a letter to the British ambassador in Constantinople, instructing him to contact the Sultan:
“There exists at the present time among the Jews dispersed over Europe, a strong notion that the time is approaching when their nation is to return to Palestine…. It would be of manifest importance to the Sultan to encourage the Jews to return and settle in Palestine because the wealth which they would bring with them would increase the resources of the Sultan’s dominions; and the Jewish people, if returning under the sanction and protection and at the invitation of the Sultan, would be a check upon any future evil designs of Muhammad Ali or his successor. I have to instruct Your Excellency strongly to recommend the Turkish government to hold out every just encouragement to the Jews of Europe to return to Palestine.”
In 1845, Edward Ledwich Mitford, one of Palmerston’s collaborators in the Foreign Service and a political supporter, published “An appeal in Behalf of the Israel Nation in Connection with the British Policy in the Levant.” The piece called for the “final establishment of the Jewish nation in Palestine as a protected state under the guardianship of Great Britain.” Mitford reasoned that such a state would “place the management of our steam communication entirely in our hands and would place us in a commanding position in the Levant from whence to check the process of encroachment, to overawe open enemies and, if necessary, to repel their advance.”
(Via a link that cites ZIONISM & BRITISH EMPIRE
British backing for Jabotinsky, Weizmann and the Jewish State
by: Steven P. Meyer, 2009-01-27)
So one can see that many of the ‘players’ are the same. I’ll introduce the other cast members as we go along before getting to the main subject.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 13:48 utc | 17
I have been threatening to write about the Balfour Declaration. So this is a start.
But first to even address that , the usual dots of history must be first recognised then connected. I could go back a long long way, maybe will later for further context but let’s start with this excerpt. Which puts the C19th British Empire in the frame.
‘ In 1838, an Arab revolt took place in Greater Syria, run by Muhammad Ali, the Ottoman viceroy of Egypt. British Foreign Secretary Palmerston offered the Sultan of Turkey British help in putting down the revolt, and in return, Britain was given the right to establish a vice-consulate in Jerusalem. Once this beachhead for the Empire was secured, the British decided to use a fledgling Zionist movement as their proxy, to increase their presence in the Holy Land.
In 1840, Palmerston sent a letter to the British ambassador in Constantinople, instructing him to contact the Sultan:
“There exists at the present time among the Jews dispersed over Europe, a strong notion that the time is approaching when their nation is to return to Palestine…. It would be of manifest importance to the Sultan to encourage the Jews to return and settle in Palestine because the wealth which they would bring with them would increase the resources of the Sultan’s dominions; and the Jewish people, if returning under the sanction and protection and at the invitation of the Sultan, would be a check upon any future evil designs of Muhammad Ali or his successor. I have to instruct Your Excellency strongly to recommend the Turkish government to hold out every just encouragement to the Jews of Europe to return to Palestine.”
In 1845, Edward Ledwich Mitford, one of Palmerston’s collaborators in the Foreign Service and a political supporter, published “An appeal in Behalf of the Israel Nation in Connection with the British Policy in the Levant.” The piece called for the “final establishment of the Jewish nation in Palestine as a protected state under the guardianship of Great Britain.” Mitford reasoned that such a state would “place the management of our steam communication entirely in our hands and would place us in a commanding position in the Levant from whence to check the process of encroachment, to overawe open enemies and, if necessary, to repel their advance.”
(Via a link that cites ZIONISM & BRITISH EMPIRE
British backing for Jabotinsky, Weizmann and the Jewish State
by: Steven P. Meyer, 2009-01-27)
So one can see that many of the ‘players’ are the same. I’ll introduce the other cast members as we go along before getting to the main subject.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 13:48 utc | 18
The best time for Hezbollah to do something has come and gone. Hezbollah should’ve gone all out on October 7. The Empire is now lining up everything it has to obliterate everything in West Asia that stands in its way.
The Empire’s victory, should it pull one off, would most likely be Pyrrhic, but with each passing day Hezbollah would face a more formidable—and better prepared—opponent.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 29 2023 13:48 utc | 19
The best time for Hezbollah to do something has come and gone. Hezbollah should’ve gone all out on October 7. The Empire is now lining up everything it has to obliterate everything in West Asia that stands in its way.
The Empire’s victory, should it pull one off, would most likely be Pyrrhic, but with each passing day Hezbollah would face a more formidable—and better prepared—opponent.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 29 2023 13:48 utc | 20
Is Hezbollah in this or not? Thoughts from the bar?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
Hezbollah will wait to fully unleash their firepower until Israel is fully entrenched in the Gaza invasion. My guess is that will occur in about 2 or 3 weeks
Is Hezbollah in this or not? Thoughts from the bar?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
Hezbollah will wait to fully unleash their firepower until Israel is fully entrenched in the Gaza invasion. My guess is that will occur in about 2 or 3 weeks
Is Hezbollah in this or not? Thoughts from the bar?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
The following is a sample of Hezbollah and IOF exchange for 28th and 29th October:
11:03 Al-Manar correspondent: Hezbollah fighters strike the Zionist occupation site of Misgav Am with the appropriate weapons
21:47 Al-Manar correspondent: Zionist raids targeted the Halta Heights and one of the valleys surrounding the Lebanese southern town of Beit Lif, near the border with occupied Palestine
21:40 Al-Manar correspondent: Enemy warplanes launch a new air strike targeting the Halta Heights near Shebaa Farms
21:38 Islamic Resistance Fighters attacked an IOF gathering on the Abu Djaj heights near the Zarit barrack, resulting in confirmed casualties
21:25 Islamic Resistance Mujahideen attacked, at 6:00 PM on Saturday, the Zarit barrack with appropriate weapons, causing direct hits
21:08 Al-Manar Correspondent: Guided missile fired from Lebanon toward an Israeli military target in Hunin
20:55 Al-Manar correspondent: The IOF dropped flares in the airspace of Rab Al-Thalathine and Markaba, South Lebanon
18:04 Hezbollah Fighters Attack Several Israeli Occupation Posts on Lebanon Border: Video More..
16:46 Islamic Resistance fighters attack the Israeli occupation site of Al-Marj, inflicting confirmed losses: statement
16:24 Hezbollah artillery strikes the two Israeli occupations sites of Al-Jerdah and Burket Risha, inflicting confirmed losses
15:15 Al-Manar reporter: Zionist artillery targets the outskirts of a number of Lebanese border towns
15:12 Al-Manar correspondent reports missile fire at the Israeli barracks in occupied Hounin
12:51 Al-Manar correspondnet in south Lebanon: Israeli artillery shells vicinity of border town of Naqoura, facing the Israeli post of Jal Al-Alam
11:58 Israeli media says air defenses intercepted missile fired from Lebanon
03:20 Al-Manar Correspondent: An Israeli air strike on the outskirts of the Majidiya farm in the eastern sector of the southern border
03:04 Al-Manar Correspondent: The sounds of explosions heard on the southern border are the result of the enemy firing flare bombs in the airspace of Hunin Valley, opposite Markaba, as combing rounds towards the valley take place
This is how it’s been for the past 2 weeks at least. Hezbollah is hammering the IOF at a rate much higher than in the last 20 years.
Not even the 2006 war had an initial start this hot from the Hezbollah side.
This is much “hotter” than the media is making out to be.
My guess is that it’s being downplayed to prevent the Northern front from becoming the focus of IOF action.
In past times, Hezbollah actions even a fraction of the current would have resulted in Beirut Dahiyeh being bombed to bits.
But not this time.
Hezbollah is in it. Izzie is holding back.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 13:53 utc | 23
Is Hezbollah in this or not? Thoughts from the bar?
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:19 utc | 1
The following is a sample of Hezbollah and IOF exchange for 28th and 29th October:
11:03 Al-Manar correspondent: Hezbollah fighters strike the Zionist occupation site of Misgav Am with the appropriate weapons
21:47 Al-Manar correspondent: Zionist raids targeted the Halta Heights and one of the valleys surrounding the Lebanese southern town of Beit Lif, near the border with occupied Palestine
21:40 Al-Manar correspondent: Enemy warplanes launch a new air strike targeting the Halta Heights near Shebaa Farms
21:38 Islamic Resistance Fighters attacked an IOF gathering on the Abu Djaj heights near the Zarit barrack, resulting in confirmed casualties
21:25 Islamic Resistance Mujahideen attacked, at 6:00 PM on Saturday, the Zarit barrack with appropriate weapons, causing direct hits
21:08 Al-Manar Correspondent: Guided missile fired from Lebanon toward an Israeli military target in Hunin
20:55 Al-Manar correspondent: The IOF dropped flares in the airspace of Rab Al-Thalathine and Markaba, South Lebanon
18:04 Hezbollah Fighters Attack Several Israeli Occupation Posts on Lebanon Border: Video More..
16:46 Islamic Resistance fighters attack the Israeli occupation site of Al-Marj, inflicting confirmed losses: statement
16:24 Hezbollah artillery strikes the two Israeli occupations sites of Al-Jerdah and Burket Risha, inflicting confirmed losses
15:15 Al-Manar reporter: Zionist artillery targets the outskirts of a number of Lebanese border towns
15:12 Al-Manar correspondent reports missile fire at the Israeli barracks in occupied Hounin
12:51 Al-Manar correspondnet in south Lebanon: Israeli artillery shells vicinity of border town of Naqoura, facing the Israeli post of Jal Al-Alam
11:58 Israeli media says air defenses intercepted missile fired from Lebanon
03:20 Al-Manar Correspondent: An Israeli air strike on the outskirts of the Majidiya farm in the eastern sector of the southern border
03:04 Al-Manar Correspondent: The sounds of explosions heard on the southern border are the result of the enemy firing flare bombs in the airspace of Hunin Valley, opposite Markaba, as combing rounds towards the valley take place
This is how it’s been for the past 2 weeks at least. Hezbollah is hammering the IOF at a rate much higher than in the last 20 years.
Not even the 2006 war had an initial start this hot from the Hezbollah side.
This is much “hotter” than the media is making out to be.
My guess is that it’s being downplayed to prevent the Northern front from becoming the focus of IOF action.
In past times, Hezbollah actions even a fraction of the current would have resulted in Beirut Dahiyeh being bombed to bits.
But not this time.
Hezbollah is in it. Izzie is holding back.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 13:53 utc | 24
Hezbollah is very active in sculpting the battlefield as Arch’s list above shows.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2023 14:00 utc | 25
Hezbollah is very active in sculpting the battlefield as Arch’s list above shows.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2023 14:00 utc | 26
Israel called on the Al-Quds Red Crescent hospital in Gaza to evacuate immediately. The IDF plans to strike it
This was reported by the hospital management. Al-Quds houses about 400 patients and at least 12,000 Palestinian refugees.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/85589?single
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 29 2023 14:00 utc | 27
Israel called on the Al-Quds Red Crescent hospital in Gaza to evacuate immediately. The IDF plans to strike it
This was reported by the hospital management. Al-Quds houses about 400 patients and at least 12,000 Palestinian refugees.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/85589?single
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 29 2023 14:00 utc | 28
Israel called on the Al-Quds Red Crescent hospital in Gaza to evacuate immediately. The IDF plans to strike it
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 29 2023 14:00 utc | 14
This is being actively monitored on AJE right now, if anyone’s interested in seeing a war crime live streamed …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 14:03 utc | 29
Israel called on the Al-Quds Red Crescent hospital in Gaza to evacuate immediately. The IDF plans to strike it
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 29 2023 14:00 utc | 14
This is being actively monitored on AJE right now, if anyone’s interested in seeing a war crime live streamed …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 14:03 utc | 30
From Middle East Eye live updates;
Israel says it will not allow Starlink’s use in Gaza, following Elon Musk comments
3 hours ago
Israel said it would not allow Starlink’s satellite communications system to support internationally recognised aid organisations in Gaza, despite a promise to that effect by Elon Musk.
In response to a tweet by the X (formerly Twitter) owner, Israeli Minister of Communications Shlomo Karhi said his government would use “all means at its disposal” to prevent this from happening:<\blockquote>
(Comment: Likud doing its best to isolate Israel)
Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2023 14:06 utc | 31
From Middle East Eye live updates;
Israel says it will not allow Starlink’s use in Gaza, following Elon Musk comments
3 hours ago
Israel said it would not allow Starlink’s satellite communications system to support internationally recognised aid organisations in Gaza, despite a promise to that effect by Elon Musk.
In response to a tweet by the X (formerly Twitter) owner, Israeli Minister of Communications Shlomo Karhi said his government would use “all means at its disposal” to prevent this from happening:<\blockquote>
(Comment: Likud doing its best to isolate Israel)
Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2023 14:06 utc | 32
Mandela was a true diplomat and nation leader…hear him speak of Palestine and the hypocrisy of statesmen… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5TiUhhm7cQ
Posted by: trinculo | Oct 29 2023 14:09 utc | 33
Mandela was a true diplomat and nation leader…hear him speak of Palestine and the hypocrisy of statesmen… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5TiUhhm7cQ
Posted by: trinculo | Oct 29 2023 14:09 utc | 34
So apparently leaked documents today show the plan is to depopulate entire Gaza. Allegedly 2m will be moved in the Sinai desert.
Posted by: rk | Oct 29 2023 14:17 utc | 35
So apparently leaked documents today show the plan is to depopulate entire Gaza. Allegedly 2m will be moved in the Sinai desert.
Posted by: rk | Oct 29 2023 14:17 utc | 36
Will Hezbollah and Jalisco New Generation Cartel work together if the US goes to war in Lebanon? The Sinaloa Cartel has suspended fentanyl smuggling because of pressure from the US leaving it to Jalisco New Generation Cartel who might be looking for ways to gain leverage and stop the fentnayl crackdown.
Posted by: halffull | Oct 29 2023 14:20 utc | 37
Will Hezbollah and Jalisco New Generation Cartel work together if the US goes to war in Lebanon? The Sinaloa Cartel has suspended fentanyl smuggling because of pressure from the US leaving it to Jalisco New Generation Cartel who might be looking for ways to gain leverage and stop the fentnayl crackdown.
Posted by: halffull | Oct 29 2023 14:20 utc | 38
RE: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 13:53 utc | 12
Agreed. US bases & Golan In Syria also under drone attacks again.
“ Citing sources, Lebanon’s Al Mayadeen TV channel reported that the US base in al-Omar oil field, east of Syria’s Dayr al-Zawr Province, came under shelling on Saturday night.
The raid, involving ground-to-ground weapons, caused explosions inside the facility, the report said, adding that the blasts were heard in surrounding areas.
Harab Cir bases in Syria’s al-Hasakah Provinces also came under a similar attack.
Meanwhile, drones of an unknown origin targeted the al-Tanf base in Syria’s Homs Province, near the Jordanian border.”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2023 14:23 utc | 39
RE: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 13:53 utc | 12
Agreed. US bases & Golan In Syria also under drone attacks again.
“ Citing sources, Lebanon’s Al Mayadeen TV channel reported that the US base in al-Omar oil field, east of Syria’s Dayr al-Zawr Province, came under shelling on Saturday night.
The raid, involving ground-to-ground weapons, caused explosions inside the facility, the report said, adding that the blasts were heard in surrounding areas.
Harab Cir bases in Syria’s al-Hasakah Provinces also came under a similar attack.
Meanwhile, drones of an unknown origin targeted the al-Tanf base in Syria’s Homs Province, near the Jordanian border.”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2023 14:23 utc | 40
The next piece that needs putting into place is to counter the massive amount of flak that will be laid down on me and the site – so to have an ‘iron dome’ of sorts against that – I will cite if necessary, many modern day Jews against Zionism and the state of Israel, and why more and more Jews are rejecting Zionism and calling for the dismantling of Israel.
We need to understand the longer history of these who are laying claim to the Levant as some ancient mythical geographical home land granted by some sky faerie, unseen and unknown to every other culture , peoples and civilisations in human history except one self selected group of people ! A group who are not what they claim.
They repeat their murderous assaults over and over throughout such parts of the world – where we now have two cataclysmic events. This is not the first or last assault and attempt to silence and annihilate the Semitic peoples of actual history who are the REAL descendants of the Levant and its religions.
So what is the difference between Hebrews and Yiddish? Why are the Balkans so connected with the Zionist Israel Project? Why is Russia such a hated entity and has a cruicial role in ending the Never Ending Wars of the ME and its borderlands?
Want to know? Next post.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 14:23 utc | 41
The next piece that needs putting into place is to counter the massive amount of flak that will be laid down on me and the site – so to have an ‘iron dome’ of sorts against that – I will cite if necessary, many modern day Jews against Zionism and the state of Israel, and why more and more Jews are rejecting Zionism and calling for the dismantling of Israel.
We need to understand the longer history of these who are laying claim to the Levant as some ancient mythical geographical home land granted by some sky faerie, unseen and unknown to every other culture , peoples and civilisations in human history except one self selected group of people ! A group who are not what they claim.
They repeat their murderous assaults over and over throughout such parts of the world – where we now have two cataclysmic events. This is not the first or last assault and attempt to silence and annihilate the Semitic peoples of actual history who are the REAL descendants of the Levant and its religions.
So what is the difference between Hebrews and Yiddish? Why are the Balkans so connected with the Zionist Israel Project? Why is Russia such a hated entity and has a cruicial role in ending the Never Ending Wars of the ME and its borderlands?
Want to know? Next post.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 14:23 utc | 42
Remembering one of the major beliefs of humans:
“Paradise is ever on the other side of violence”
Really ??
What is your planet ??
Posted by: sal | Oct 29 2023 14:25 utc | 43
Remembering one of the major beliefs of humans:
“Paradise is ever on the other side of violence”
Really ??
What is your planet ??
Posted by: sal | Oct 29 2023 14:25 utc | 44
Those asking if Hezbollah is doing anything should just get on Telegram and join Iran’s PressTV channel which reports the latest happenings.
Hezbollah is keeping Israel occupied as a warning.
https://t.me/presstv
Posted by: Surferket | Oct 29 2023 14:26 utc | 45
Those asking if Hezbollah is doing anything should just get on Telegram and join Iran’s PressTV channel which reports the latest happenings.
Hezbollah is keeping Israel occupied as a warning.
https://t.me/presstv
Posted by: Surferket | Oct 29 2023 14:26 utc | 46
Israel might well want to consider what the great General Pyrrhus of Epirus said after a costly win over the Romans…”Another such victory and we are lost..”
Napoleon failed to heed it in his invasion of Russia, and after his “victory” at Borodino, had to flee with what was left of his army…
Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 29 2023 14:34 utc | 47
Israel might well want to consider what the great General Pyrrhus of Epirus said after a costly win over the Romans…”Another such victory and we are lost..”
Napoleon failed to heed it in his invasion of Russia, and after his “victory” at Borodino, had to flee with what was left of his army…
Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 29 2023 14:34 utc | 48
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2023 14:23 utc | 22
In addition to the rising frequency of strikes across the U.S occupied middle-east, representatives of the non-U.S aligned states are holding meetings at a hectic pace for the past 2 weeks, with the frequency of those meetings going up this week:
– Iran + Hezbollah in Lebanon
– Hamas + Iraq this week in Baghdad
– Iran + Iraq Shia leaders
– Hamas + Russia (Putin)
– Stealth meetings between the Yemeni representatives and ?
– …
This is characteristic of how middle eastern leadership tend to drive action – they’re trying to decide how far to go in, but they’re definitely thinking of doing something, for if not none of these meetings would be happening …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 14:36 utc | 49
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 29 2023 14:23 utc | 22
In addition to the rising frequency of strikes across the U.S occupied middle-east, representatives of the non-U.S aligned states are holding meetings at a hectic pace for the past 2 weeks, with the frequency of those meetings going up this week:
– Iran + Hezbollah in Lebanon
– Hamas + Iraq this week in Baghdad
– Iran + Iraq Shia leaders
– Hamas + Russia (Putin)
– Stealth meetings between the Yemeni representatives and ?
– …
This is characteristic of how middle eastern leadership tend to drive action – they’re trying to decide how far to go in, but they’re definitely thinking of doing something, for if not none of these meetings would be happening …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 14:36 utc | 50
Both Bhadrakumar (Indian Punchline) and Gilbert Doctorow post exellent new pieces today.
Bhadrakumar mentions Canada’s pathetic intervention in the UNGA debate on a Ceasefire
“…It was apparent that the Canadian amendment — at Israel’s behest and sponsored by Washington from the rear — was a clumsy attempt to divide the votes by calling for “unequivocally rejecting and condemning the terrorist attacks by Hamas.” In a notable speech that drew wide acclaim, Pakistan’s ambassador to the UN Munir Akram highlighted the contradiction.
“If Canada was being fair in its amendment, he said, it should as well agree to name Israel as well as Hamas. “We all know who started this. It is 50 years of Israeli occupation and the killing of Palestinians with impunity,” Akram argued, therefore, not naming either side was the best choice.
“It appears that India was taken aback by Akram’s intervention at the UN GA during Agenda Item 70, Right to Self-Determination where he forcefully linked the Palestine issue and Kashmir problem. Alas, India’s abstention has only left the centre stage to Pakistan to occupy. This could be consequential. A prudent course would have been to identify with the stance of the Arab countries unequivocally, since this is a core issue for them and it is playing out in their region, first and foremost.
“India should have factored in that feelings are running high in the West Asian region and the US-Israeli propaganda that the Arab world paid only lip-service to the Palestinian cause doesn’t hold good. There is unmistakable anger and anguish among the regional states and a groundswell of opinion has appeared demanding a settlement of Palestine issue as an imperative of regional stability….”
Pakistan may have a US puppet government, but there are puppets and puppets…
https://www.indianpunchline.com/indias-solidarity-with-israel-is-untenable/
Posted by: bevin | Oct 29 2023 14:44 utc | 51
Both Bhadrakumar (Indian Punchline) and Gilbert Doctorow post exellent new pieces today.
Bhadrakumar mentions Canada’s pathetic intervention in the UNGA debate on a Ceasefire
“…It was apparent that the Canadian amendment — at Israel’s behest and sponsored by Washington from the rear — was a clumsy attempt to divide the votes by calling for “unequivocally rejecting and condemning the terrorist attacks by Hamas.” In a notable speech that drew wide acclaim, Pakistan’s ambassador to the UN Munir Akram highlighted the contradiction.
“If Canada was being fair in its amendment, he said, it should as well agree to name Israel as well as Hamas. “We all know who started this. It is 50 years of Israeli occupation and the killing of Palestinians with impunity,” Akram argued, therefore, not naming either side was the best choice.
“It appears that India was taken aback by Akram’s intervention at the UN GA during Agenda Item 70, Right to Self-Determination where he forcefully linked the Palestine issue and Kashmir problem. Alas, India’s abstention has only left the centre stage to Pakistan to occupy. This could be consequential. A prudent course would have been to identify with the stance of the Arab countries unequivocally, since this is a core issue for them and it is playing out in their region, first and foremost.
“India should have factored in that feelings are running high in the West Asian region and the US-Israeli propaganda that the Arab world paid only lip-service to the Palestinian cause doesn’t hold good. There is unmistakable anger and anguish among the regional states and a groundswell of opinion has appeared demanding a settlement of Palestine issue as an imperative of regional stability….”
Pakistan may have a US puppet government, but there are puppets and puppets…
https://www.indianpunchline.com/indias-solidarity-with-israel-is-untenable/
Posted by: bevin | Oct 29 2023 14:44 utc | 52
Being surrounded by screaming batshit insane American Jews is not helping sober analysis here.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:37 utc | 4
Now you know how the Romans felt (and the British).
Posted by: dh | Oct 29 2023 14:44 utc | 53
Being surrounded by screaming batshit insane American Jews is not helping sober analysis here.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 13:37 utc | 4
Now you know how the Romans felt (and the British).
Posted by: dh | Oct 29 2023 14:44 utc | 54
Any comments needed?
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-media-flailing-to-interpret-12-sec-video-of-sayyed-n
Posted by: ostro | Oct 29 2023 14:48 utc | 55
Any comments needed?
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-media-flailing-to-interpret-12-sec-video-of-sayyed-n
Posted by: ostro | Oct 29 2023 14:48 utc | 56
halffull @ 20
The Mexican cartels are all operated out of D.C. Drug trade is and always has been an intelligence community monopoly. Is Hezbollah connected with any of this or is that PR? From where I sit it looks like a hall of mirrors and not useful to pursue.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 14:48 utc | 57
halffull @ 20
The Mexican cartels are all operated out of D.C. Drug trade is and always has been an intelligence community monopoly. Is Hezbollah connected with any of this or is that PR? From where I sit it looks like a hall of mirrors and not useful to pursue.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 29 2023 14:48 utc | 58
Moronbill re your 248 reply in De Villepin comment thread. I find that an acceptable answer. So it doesn’t even need an outside instigator; they are perfectly capable of instigating among themselves. Internal divide and rule equals Darwin Award.
Posted by: Pundita | Oct 29 2023 14:49 utc | 59
Moronbill re your 248 reply in De Villepin comment thread. I find that an acceptable answer. So it doesn’t even need an outside instigator; they are perfectly capable of instigating among themselves. Internal divide and rule equals Darwin Award.
Posted by: Pundita | Oct 29 2023 14:49 utc | 60
‘ It is interesting to note that although the Yiddish and ancient Hebrew languages share the exact same characters in their alphabets, “Yiddish” must not be confused with “Hebrew”. There is not a single word of Yiddish in ancient Hebrew nor is there one word of ancient “Hebrew” in “Yiddish”. They are as totally different as spoken and written Swedish and Spanish, yet which both likewise share the same Latin based characters for their alphabets.’
So how did that come about ? Back to history and more dots to connect …
‘ When the Khazars in the 1st century B.C. invaded eastern Europe their mother-tongue was an ancient Asiatic language. They spoke primitive Asiatic dialects without any alphabet or written form. When King Bulan was converted in the 7th century he decreed that the Hebrew characters he saw in the Talmud and other Hebrew documents was thereafter to become the official alphabet of the Khazar language. The Hebrew characters were adapted to the phonetics of the spoken Khazar language. The Khazars employed the characters of the ancient Hebrew language in order to provide a means of accomplishing a written account of their spoken words.’
So Yiddish is not an ancient language of some semetic peoples but of some asiatic invaders of Europe – which explains why there were/are many millions of supposed ancient Judaeo-religious in Europe and why infact so many in Russia. And now of course in every high office of every Collective Western country that are in lockstep , gnashing and wailing and without any reverse gear in their insanity in taking not just the Levant but also what they have considered as being their true homeland Russia.
Let’s have a quick look at the shapeshifters.
The conquest of the Khazar Kingdom by the Russians provides history with the explanation for the presence after the 13th century, of the large number of so-called “Jews” in Russia. This huge number of self-styled “Jews”, both in Russia and in many other eastern European nations after the destruction of the Khazar Kingdom, were thereafter no longer known as Khazars but as the “Yiddish” populations of these many countries. The term Yiddish is taken directly from the spoken and written language of the Khazarian “Jews”.
One final piece that links the current Palestine and the Ukraine.
‘ In the many wars with her neighbours in Europe since the 13th century, Russia was required to cede to her victors large areas which were originally part of the Khazar Kingdom. In this manner Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Hungary, Rumania, and Austria were acquired from Russian territory which was originally a part of the Khazar Kingdom. Together with this territory these nations acquired a segment of the population of so-called or self-styled “Jews” descended from the Khazars who once occupied the territory. These frequent boundary changes by the nations in eastern Europe explains the presence today of many Jews in all of these countries, all whose ancestry can be traced back to the converted Khazars’
‘ From the 13th to the beginning of the 20th century Khazarian Jews spread to the four corners of the globe, integrating into communities worldwide, having nowhere they could call their homeland. Khazaria no longer existed and Judea, the original homeland of the biblical Jews was long gone, following their expulsion from their native soil by the Romans some 2000 years previous. During this period Khazarian Jews either lost or abandoned their true heritage, instead preferring to falsely believe that they were actually native Jews of biblical origin who descended from Israelite–Canaanite tribes who left the Holy Land for Europe in the seventh century, following the Muslim conquest of Palestine. . They came to be known as Ashkenazi Jews.
Although Ashkenazi Jews are professed to be of Germanic/European origin, and descendants of native biblical Jews, there is very little evidence in support of this claim. In fact recent DNA analysis has concluded that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically descended from the Khazars.’
So these are vital historical dots that have shaped the Western European and its various offshoot empires including the United States and the current mass murders of Palestinians and Ukrainians and the wars of the C20th and before.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 14:54 utc | 63
‘ It is interesting to note that although the Yiddish and ancient Hebrew languages share the exact same characters in their alphabets, “Yiddish” must not be confused with “Hebrew”. There is not a single word of Yiddish in ancient Hebrew nor is there one word of ancient “Hebrew” in “Yiddish”. They are as totally different as spoken and written Swedish and Spanish, yet which both likewise share the same Latin based characters for their alphabets.’
So how did that come about ? Back to history and more dots to connect …
‘ When the Khazars in the 1st century B.C. invaded eastern Europe their mother-tongue was an ancient Asiatic language. They spoke primitive Asiatic dialects without any alphabet or written form. When King Bulan was converted in the 7th century he decreed that the Hebrew characters he saw in the Talmud and other Hebrew documents was thereafter to become the official alphabet of the Khazar language. The Hebrew characters were adapted to the phonetics of the spoken Khazar language. The Khazars employed the characters of the ancient Hebrew language in order to provide a means of accomplishing a written account of their spoken words.’
So Yiddish is not an ancient language of some semetic peoples but of some asiatic invaders of Europe – which explains why there were/are many millions of supposed ancient Judaeo-religious in Europe and why infact so many in Russia. And now of course in every high office of every Collective Western country that are in lockstep , gnashing and wailing and without any reverse gear in their insanity in taking not just the Levant but also what they have considered as being their true homeland Russia.
Let’s have a quick look at the shapeshifters.
The conquest of the Khazar Kingdom by the Russians provides history with the explanation for the presence after the 13th century, of the large number of so-called “Jews” in Russia. This huge number of self-styled “Jews”, both in Russia and in many other eastern European nations after the destruction of the Khazar Kingdom, were thereafter no longer known as Khazars but as the “Yiddish” populations of these many countries. The term Yiddish is taken directly from the spoken and written language of the Khazarian “Jews”.
One final piece that links the current Palestine and the Ukraine.
‘ In the many wars with her neighbours in Europe since the 13th century, Russia was required to cede to her victors large areas which were originally part of the Khazar Kingdom. In this manner Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Hungary, Rumania, and Austria were acquired from Russian territory which was originally a part of the Khazar Kingdom. Together with this territory these nations acquired a segment of the population of so-called or self-styled “Jews” descended from the Khazars who once occupied the territory. These frequent boundary changes by the nations in eastern Europe explains the presence today of many Jews in all of these countries, all whose ancestry can be traced back to the converted Khazars’
‘ From the 13th to the beginning of the 20th century Khazarian Jews spread to the four corners of the globe, integrating into communities worldwide, having nowhere they could call their homeland. Khazaria no longer existed and Judea, the original homeland of the biblical Jews was long gone, following their expulsion from their native soil by the Romans some 2000 years previous. During this period Khazarian Jews either lost or abandoned their true heritage, instead preferring to falsely believe that they were actually native Jews of biblical origin who descended from Israelite–Canaanite tribes who left the Holy Land for Europe in the seventh century, following the Muslim conquest of Palestine. . They came to be known as Ashkenazi Jews.
Although Ashkenazi Jews are professed to be of Germanic/European origin, and descendants of native biblical Jews, there is very little evidence in support of this claim. In fact recent DNA analysis has concluded that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically descended from the Khazars.’
So these are vital historical dots that have shaped the Western European and its various offshoot empires including the United States and the current mass murders of Palestinians and Ukrainians and the wars of the C20th and before.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 14:54 utc | 64
You can almost see it coming. As a US Navy vet, I fear for the unsuspecting boys on those ships. I just wonder which one is being targeted for the false flag everyone is waiting for. The headlines are probably already printed up like on 9/11. Maybe someone will get antsy like the reporter standing in front of building 7 announcing that it had already been demolished. Might give us a whodunnit clue.
Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Oct 29 2023 14:56 utc | 65
You can almost see it coming. As a US Navy vet, I fear for the unsuspecting boys on those ships. I just wonder which one is being targeted for the false flag everyone is waiting for. The headlines are probably already printed up like on 9/11. Maybe someone will get antsy like the reporter standing in front of building 7 announcing that it had already been demolished. Might give us a whodunnit clue.
Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Oct 29 2023 14:56 utc | 66
Hezbollah will wait to fully unleash their firepower until Israel is fully entrenched in the Gaza invasion. My guess is that will occur in about 2 or 3 weeks
Posted by: canuck | Oct 29 2023 13:50 utc | 11
Agree with this as several others have said. Having Uncle Sugar busy and distracted elsewhere is likely too, Syria & Iraq, and of course encouraging the IDF and Uncle Sugar to expend more of their ammo will be helpful.
May not come to pass at all, of course, and if it looks like they are going to get pasted anyway, that may force the issue any time …
As I believe Lex pointed out, this paroxysm of bombing may prove to be a mistake if this drags out, and I would expect the “resistance” to seek/allow it to drag out. Tough on Gaza, but that is a sunk cost here.
Hamas appears to be able and willing to resist, so far. The Israelis seem to be looking for something that will work for them in the rubble they have created.
Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 29 2023 15:09 utc | 67
Hezbollah will wait to fully unleash their firepower until Israel is fully entrenched in the Gaza invasion. My guess is that will occur in about 2 or 3 weeks
Posted by: canuck | Oct 29 2023 13:50 utc | 11
Agree with this as several others have said. Having Uncle Sugar busy and distracted elsewhere is likely too, Syria & Iraq, and of course encouraging the IDF and Uncle Sugar to expend more of their ammo will be helpful.
May not come to pass at all, of course, and if it looks like they are going to get pasted anyway, that may force the issue any time …
As I believe Lex pointed out, this paroxysm of bombing may prove to be a mistake if this drags out, and I would expect the “resistance” to seek/allow it to drag out. Tough on Gaza, but that is a sunk cost here.
Hamas appears to be able and willing to resist, so far. The Israelis seem to be looking for something that will work for them in the rubble they have created.
Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 29 2023 15:09 utc | 68
@Ozark Grandpa
“I fear for the unsuspecting boys”
Why do you fear for them? Why do you fear for people who join the US Army/Navy? Everybody knows, that the US military doesn’t defend the USA, but ruins other countries. I hope they all die.
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 29 2023 15:09 utc | 69
@Ozark Grandpa
“I fear for the unsuspecting boys”
Why do you fear for them? Why do you fear for people who join the US Army/Navy? Everybody knows, that the US military doesn’t defend the USA, but ruins other countries. I hope they all die.
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 29 2023 15:09 utc | 70
halffull do you have a source for your cartel info tidbits? I like to follow cartel activity so the potential for at least some Zetas (New Generation) to become involved is exciting and I want to read more
Posted by: moon of alabama | Oct 29 2023 15:12 utc | 71
halffull do you have a source for your cartel info tidbits? I like to follow cartel activity so the potential for at least some Zetas (New Generation) to become involved is exciting and I want to read more
Posted by: moon of alabama | Oct 29 2023 15:12 utc | 72
Regional satraps falling other themselves to help the genocide of Palestine last ghettos:
https://electronicintifada.net/content/us-sends-forces-jordan-amid-buildup-defense-israel/39221
“The defense of Israel”
But what role is Jordan playing in the US military buildup ordered by President Biden following the 7 October offensive by Gaza-based Palestinian resistance fighters who routed Israel’s vaunted army in a matter of hours?
The regional US deployment is intended to “assist in the defense of Israel,” Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin explained on 21 October.
It includes positioning two aircraft carrier strike groups in the Eastern Mediterranean, bolstering air defenses across the region as well as placing “an additional number of forces on prepare to deploy orders,” Austin announced.
Meanwhile, by last Sunday, more than 60 American and Israeli cargo aircraft had landed in Israel as part of an airlift ordered by Biden to ensure that Tel Aviv does not run out of bombs to drop on Palestinian families in Gaza.
“Most of them are civilian aircraft leased to carry weapons and spare parts,” according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
This number is certain to have increased significantly in recent days.
Warplanes in Jordan
In the same 24 October article, Haaretz reported that US military transport aircraft have been landing all over the region.
Citing open-source information, the newspaper said eight heavylift planes which took off from supply centers in the US and Europe landed at a Jordanian base.
The Wall Street Journal also reported on 24 October that the US was “scrambling to deploy nearly a dozen air-defense systems to countries across the Middle East ahead of Israel’s expected land invasion of Gaza,” listing Jordan as one of six Arab states where the US would station Patriot surface-to-air missile systems.
And according to a 16 October Haaretz report, “a squadron of US F-15E Strike Eagle bombers based in Britain was deployed … at the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base east of the Jordanian capital of Amman,” along with a squadron of A-10 ground attack aircraft and Florida-based American special forces.
Consistent with these reports, the United States Air Force announced on 14 October that a day earlier, “the 494th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron’s F-15E Strike Eagle aircraft arrived in the US Central Command area of responsibility.”
The Air Force Times noted that the F-15s were deployed “as the US looks to bolster its position in the region amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and the militant group Hamas.”
The US military did not disclose the specific country to which the fighter jets were deployed, but the US Central Command area – also known as CENTCOM – spans a number of countries including Jordan.
CENTCOM published pictures of the aircraft arriving in the region:
RAF Lakenheath’s 494th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron’s F-15E Strike Eagle aircraft arrived in the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility, October 13, to bolster the U.S. posture and enhance air operations throughout the Middle East. pic.twitter.com/u8oFMXweYB
— US AFCENT (@USAFCENT) October 14, 2023
A-10s from the 354th EFS have arrived to the @CENTCOM AOR.
This arrival bolsters the U.S. defense posture, enhances air operations throughout the Middle East, and reassures our allies and regional partners we remain postured to protect and defend their freedom.@usairforce pic.twitter.com/Pe8MVGZBs7
— US AFCENT (@USAFCENT) October 15, 2023
An account on the social media platform X (formerly Twitter), identifying itself as belonging to a French aviation spotter in Jordan, geolocated the aircraft to the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base, east of Amman, using the CENTCOM photos and other publicly available images.
+ Fuel storage facility (31.8335769, 36.7560536) located 3.4km away from the approximate position of the photographer pic.twitter.com/EUAt5u1JMC
— Føxïę (@SomeFrench1991) October 14, 2023
The Aviationist website reported that OSINT – open-source intelligence – trackers “were quick to verify the rumor” about the destination of the American warplanes.
“The aircraft, in fact, landed at Muwaffaq Salti/Al-Azraq Air Base in Jordan, one of the usual deployment locations for US aircraft in the area,” The Aviationist stated.
Days earlier, Eurofighter warplanes from Germany’s Luftwaffe arrived at the same Jordanian air base as part of previously planned exercises called Desert Air 23.
Gelandet! Unsere Eurofighter sind zur Übung #DesertAir23 auf der Al Azraq Base in Jordanien angekommen. Ab morgen üben wir erstmalig gemeinsam mit der jordanischen Luftwaffe und der @usairforce über 🇯🇴. pic.twitter.com/U1t4rsYZN6
— Team Luftwaffe (@Team_Luftwaffe) October 10, 2023
Avi Scharf, the former editor-in-chief of Haaretz and now the newspaper’s national security, cyber and OSINT (open-source intelligence) editor, documented at least 15 American heavylift aircraft, two fighter squadrons and special forces arriving in Jordan since 7 October.
■ OSINT shows U.S. deploying more arms+troops to Israel, Jordan, Cyprus
■ Around 80 USAF heavylifters arrived in the region since Hamas attack
■ 2nd strike group to enter Med around coming weekend, but may continue south to Arabia Sea/ Persian Gulf areahttps://t.co/womJe3gH9L pic.twitter.com/QOJOprq34x
— avi scharf (@avischarf) October 23, 2023
Separately on 24 October, the Pentagon announced it had deployed a squadron of F-16 fighter jets to the CENTCOM area “to help protect US troops.”
It did not name the country where the New Jersey-based warplanes would be stationed.
US-Jordan ties
While these deployments are part of Biden’s regional military buildup, Jordan has long been a base for US military personnel.
As of June this year, months before the current escalation in Gaza, the White House confirmed in a letter to Congress that nearly 3,000 US military personnel were deployed to Jordan – a fact rarely officially acknowledged in the country itself.
Over the past 15 years, US aid to Jordan has tripled, according to the Congressional Research Service, an official body that provides information to US legislators and the public.
“Jordanian air bases have been particularly important for the US conduct of intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance (ISR) missions in Syria and Iraq,” according to the body.
The United States never officially acknowledged its use of the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base until after a 2021 agreement, but the Congressional Research Service cites reports that “satellite imagery shows it has hosted US Air Force (USAF) unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and fast jets since at least 2016.”
Posted by: Unipolar reality | Oct 29 2023 15:18 utc | 73
Regional satraps falling other themselves to help the genocide of Palestine last ghettos:
https://electronicintifada.net/content/us-sends-forces-jordan-amid-buildup-defense-israel/39221
“The defense of Israel”
But what role is Jordan playing in the US military buildup ordered by President Biden following the 7 October offensive by Gaza-based Palestinian resistance fighters who routed Israel’s vaunted army in a matter of hours?
The regional US deployment is intended to “assist in the defense of Israel,” Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin explained on 21 October.
It includes positioning two aircraft carrier strike groups in the Eastern Mediterranean, bolstering air defenses across the region as well as placing “an additional number of forces on prepare to deploy orders,” Austin announced.
Meanwhile, by last Sunday, more than 60 American and Israeli cargo aircraft had landed in Israel as part of an airlift ordered by Biden to ensure that Tel Aviv does not run out of bombs to drop on Palestinian families in Gaza.
“Most of them are civilian aircraft leased to carry weapons and spare parts,” according to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz.
This number is certain to have increased significantly in recent days.
Warplanes in Jordan
In the same 24 October article, Haaretz reported that US military transport aircraft have been landing all over the region.
Citing open-source information, the newspaper said eight heavylift planes which took off from supply centers in the US and Europe landed at a Jordanian base.
The Wall Street Journal also reported on 24 October that the US was “scrambling to deploy nearly a dozen air-defense systems to countries across the Middle East ahead of Israel’s expected land invasion of Gaza,” listing Jordan as one of six Arab states where the US would station Patriot surface-to-air missile systems.
And according to a 16 October Haaretz report, “a squadron of US F-15E Strike Eagle bombers based in Britain was deployed … at the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base east of the Jordanian capital of Amman,” along with a squadron of A-10 ground attack aircraft and Florida-based American special forces.
Consistent with these reports, the United States Air Force announced on 14 October that a day earlier, “the 494th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron’s F-15E Strike Eagle aircraft arrived in the US Central Command area of responsibility.”
The Air Force Times noted that the F-15s were deployed “as the US looks to bolster its position in the region amid the ongoing conflict between Israel and the militant group Hamas.”
The US military did not disclose the specific country to which the fighter jets were deployed, but the US Central Command area – also known as CENTCOM – spans a number of countries including Jordan.
CENTCOM published pictures of the aircraft arriving in the region:
RAF Lakenheath’s 494th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron’s F-15E Strike Eagle aircraft arrived in the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility, October 13, to bolster the U.S. posture and enhance air operations throughout the Middle East. pic.twitter.com/u8oFMXweYB
— US AFCENT (@USAFCENT) October 14, 2023
A-10s from the 354th EFS have arrived to the @CENTCOM AOR.
This arrival bolsters the U.S. defense posture, enhances air operations throughout the Middle East, and reassures our allies and regional partners we remain postured to protect and defend their freedom.@usairforce pic.twitter.com/Pe8MVGZBs7
— US AFCENT (@USAFCENT) October 15, 2023
An account on the social media platform X (formerly Twitter), identifying itself as belonging to a French aviation spotter in Jordan, geolocated the aircraft to the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base, east of Amman, using the CENTCOM photos and other publicly available images.
+ Fuel storage facility (31.8335769, 36.7560536) located 3.4km away from the approximate position of the photographer pic.twitter.com/EUAt5u1JMC
— Føxïę (@SomeFrench1991) October 14, 2023
The Aviationist website reported that OSINT – open-source intelligence – trackers “were quick to verify the rumor” about the destination of the American warplanes.
“The aircraft, in fact, landed at Muwaffaq Salti/Al-Azraq Air Base in Jordan, one of the usual deployment locations for US aircraft in the area,” The Aviationist stated.
Days earlier, Eurofighter warplanes from Germany’s Luftwaffe arrived at the same Jordanian air base as part of previously planned exercises called Desert Air 23.
Gelandet! Unsere Eurofighter sind zur Übung #DesertAir23 auf der Al Azraq Base in Jordanien angekommen. Ab morgen üben wir erstmalig gemeinsam mit der jordanischen Luftwaffe und der @usairforce über 🇯🇴. pic.twitter.com/U1t4rsYZN6
— Team Luftwaffe (@Team_Luftwaffe) October 10, 2023
Avi Scharf, the former editor-in-chief of Haaretz and now the newspaper’s national security, cyber and OSINT (open-source intelligence) editor, documented at least 15 American heavylift aircraft, two fighter squadrons and special forces arriving in Jordan since 7 October.
■ OSINT shows U.S. deploying more arms+troops to Israel, Jordan, Cyprus
■ Around 80 USAF heavylifters arrived in the region since Hamas attack
■ 2nd strike group to enter Med around coming weekend, but may continue south to Arabia Sea/ Persian Gulf areahttps://t.co/womJe3gH9L pic.twitter.com/QOJOprq34x
— avi scharf (@avischarf) October 23, 2023
Separately on 24 October, the Pentagon announced it had deployed a squadron of F-16 fighter jets to the CENTCOM area “to help protect US troops.”
It did not name the country where the New Jersey-based warplanes would be stationed.
US-Jordan ties
While these deployments are part of Biden’s regional military buildup, Jordan has long been a base for US military personnel.
As of June this year, months before the current escalation in Gaza, the White House confirmed in a letter to Congress that nearly 3,000 US military personnel were deployed to Jordan – a fact rarely officially acknowledged in the country itself.
Over the past 15 years, US aid to Jordan has tripled, according to the Congressional Research Service, an official body that provides information to US legislators and the public.
“Jordanian air bases have been particularly important for the US conduct of intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance (ISR) missions in Syria and Iraq,” according to the body.
The United States never officially acknowledged its use of the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base until after a 2021 agreement, but the Congressional Research Service cites reports that “satellite imagery shows it has hosted US Air Force (USAF) unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and fast jets since at least 2016.”
Posted by: Unipolar reality | Oct 29 2023 15:18 utc | 74
Re: Yiddish
At the risk of going waaaayyyyy off topic …
Yiddish is mostly a German Dialect. Anyone who listens to a Yiddish speaker and knows German (or Dutch for that matter) will confirm.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2023 15:22 utc | 75
Re: Yiddish
At the risk of going waaaayyyyy off topic …
Yiddish is mostly a German Dialect. Anyone who listens to a Yiddish speaker and knows German (or Dutch for that matter) will confirm.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 29 2023 15:22 utc | 76
Wasn’t Hezbollah’s main reasons to exist initially (and still) to (1) defend the interests of the downtrodden Shia Lebenese and (2) to defend southern Lebanon from Israeli incursion and theft of resources. And they have admirably succeeded in these roles over the past few decades?
They are not set up to be an expeditionary force, attacking outside their area. It seems very unfair and unrealistic to rely on them therefore to be anything other than a northern check against Israeli expansion. Egypt, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, and the Saudis need to be the actual armies that react to an attempted ethnic cleansing of fellow Sunni Moslems and not a rocket-based, defensive organization.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 29 2023 15:29 utc | 77
Wasn’t Hezbollah’s main reasons to exist initially (and still) to (1) defend the interests of the downtrodden Shia Lebenese and (2) to defend southern Lebanon from Israeli incursion and theft of resources. And they have admirably succeeded in these roles over the past few decades?
They are not set up to be an expeditionary force, attacking outside their area. It seems very unfair and unrealistic to rely on them therefore to be anything other than a northern check against Israeli expansion. Egypt, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, and the Saudis need to be the actual armies that react to an attempted ethnic cleansing of fellow Sunni Moslems and not a rocket-based, defensive organization.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 29 2023 15:29 utc | 78
39
That’s so much defensive equipment, it’s offensive.
Overkill.
Apparently, the US is ALL IN for the Yinon Plan.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 29 2023 15:30 utc | 79
39
That’s so much defensive equipment, it’s offensive.
Overkill.
Apparently, the US is ALL IN for the Yinon Plan.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 29 2023 15:30 utc | 80
The two articles linked below are key to understanding what happened and why Israel has gone mad.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october#:~:text=In%20the%20interim%2C%20two%20weeks,Strip%20and%20its%20civilian%20population.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
These two articles seem to support what Hamas has been saying from the beginning of Oct 7: they claim to have attacked military targets with the intention of taking prisoners to swap for Palestinian political prisoners (5,000+) in Israeli jails including 170 children. They claim not to have intentionally harmed children / elderly etc. but claim that adult settlers are not non-combatants. Interestingly Hamas has never made any mention of being at any rave.
The “Let it Happen On Purpose” op that Israel clearly knew was coming (accepted even by the Times of Israel) was way bigger than they had imagined.
Israel came up with “1,400 dead” almost instantly on Oct 8, but 3 weeks in, as of today Haaretz still has only 902 names and about 400 are clearly part of the security forces, aka combatants. Another 196 are said to have been killed at the rave but was Hamas even present there? It’s odd that Israel cannot even say who the assumed hostages are and where they were taken from.
I wonder how many Israelis realize their own government destroyed the kibbutz? There’s no way the guys coming across from Gaza on foot and motorbike (and “paraglider” if you believe that) could have destroyed the kibbutz in that way with the arms they had
Right at this minute they are bombing around Al Quds Hospital. Degrading the medical infrastructure, along with the siege on food, water, and fuel….I don’t think they have the stomach for a ground invasion and believe that just by bombing the crap out of Gaza is a more efficient and quieter way to achieve their objectives???
Posted by: pq | Oct 29 2023 15:30 utc | 81
The two articles linked below are key to understanding what happened and why Israel has gone mad.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october#:~:text=In%20the%20interim%2C%20two%20weeks,Strip%20and%20its%20civilian%20population.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
These two articles seem to support what Hamas has been saying from the beginning of Oct 7: they claim to have attacked military targets with the intention of taking prisoners to swap for Palestinian political prisoners (5,000+) in Israeli jails including 170 children. They claim not to have intentionally harmed children / elderly etc. but claim that adult settlers are not non-combatants. Interestingly Hamas has never made any mention of being at any rave.
The “Let it Happen On Purpose” op that Israel clearly knew was coming (accepted even by the Times of Israel) was way bigger than they had imagined.
Israel came up with “1,400 dead” almost instantly on Oct 8, but 3 weeks in, as of today Haaretz still has only 902 names and about 400 are clearly part of the security forces, aka combatants. Another 196 are said to have been killed at the rave but was Hamas even present there? It’s odd that Israel cannot even say who the assumed hostages are and where they were taken from.
I wonder how many Israelis realize their own government destroyed the kibbutz? There’s no way the guys coming across from Gaza on foot and motorbike (and “paraglider” if you believe that) could have destroyed the kibbutz in that way with the arms they had
Right at this minute they are bombing around Al Quds Hospital. Degrading the medical infrastructure, along with the siege on food, water, and fuel….I don’t think they have the stomach for a ground invasion and believe that just by bombing the crap out of Gaza is a more efficient and quieter way to achieve their objectives???
Posted by: pq | Oct 29 2023 15:30 utc | 82
If a two country solution can be found in the Palestine area, necessary conditions are that both states have defensible borders, and that neither state is dependent on the other. Viewing it from that prospective, Gaza is inherently unsound as a part of a nation. It would be difficult to defend, a hazard to Israel, and unavoidably dependent on Israel.
What could be a possible solution would be to evacuate the Palestinians out of Gaza and put them in the West Bank. To make the move politically tenable, exile a large part of the Jewish population in the West Bank to leave for Israel, and oblige Israel to essentially pay for the Gaza Strip. That is, pony up money for the gain in territory.
I suppose none of the above will happen, not if left to the people in the region, and not if left up to the United States.
Posted by: Jmaas | Oct 29 2023 15:32 utc | 83
If a two country solution can be found in the Palestine area, necessary conditions are that both states have defensible borders, and that neither state is dependent on the other. Viewing it from that prospective, Gaza is inherently unsound as a part of a nation. It would be difficult to defend, a hazard to Israel, and unavoidably dependent on Israel.
What could be a possible solution would be to evacuate the Palestinians out of Gaza and put them in the West Bank. To make the move politically tenable, exile a large part of the Jewish population in the West Bank to leave for Israel, and oblige Israel to essentially pay for the Gaza Strip. That is, pony up money for the gain in territory.
I suppose none of the above will happen, not if left to the people in the region, and not if left up to the United States.
Posted by: Jmaas | Oct 29 2023 15:32 utc | 84
I don’t think they have the stomach for a ground invasion and believe that just by bombing the crap out of Gaza is a more efficient and quieter way to achieve their objectives???
Posted by: pq | Oct 29 2023 15:30 utc | 43
If this is their notion of “quiet” I wouldn’t trust any of their other notions …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 15:33 utc | 85
I don’t think they have the stomach for a ground invasion and believe that just by bombing the crap out of Gaza is a more efficient and quieter way to achieve their objectives???
Posted by: pq | Oct 29 2023 15:30 utc | 43
If this is their notion of “quiet” I wouldn’t trust any of their other notions …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 15:33 utc | 86
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 29 2023 15:09 utc | 37
Why do you fear for them? Why do you fear for people who join the US Army/Navy? Everybody knows, that the US military doesn’t defend the USA, but ruins other countries. I hope they all die.
I’ve been seeing conversations about some of the guys with stars on their collars talking about US military people who are questioning why they should go and die for other countries. Most of those boys are propagandized way more than folks like us, and by being exposed to the right kinds of attitudes they might be positively influenced. We should allow ourselves to be guided by such wisdom as we can garner and be cautious of who we choose to make our enemies.
Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Oct 29 2023 15:35 utc | 87
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 29 2023 15:09 utc | 37
Why do you fear for them? Why do you fear for people who join the US Army/Navy? Everybody knows, that the US military doesn’t defend the USA, but ruins other countries. I hope they all die.
I’ve been seeing conversations about some of the guys with stars on their collars talking about US military people who are questioning why they should go and die for other countries. Most of those boys are propagandized way more than folks like us, and by being exposed to the right kinds of attitudes they might be positively influenced. We should allow ourselves to be guided by such wisdom as we can garner and be cautious of who we choose to make our enemies.
Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Oct 29 2023 15:35 utc | 88
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 14:54 utc | 34
Time to revise that narrative:
Employing a variety of standard techniques for the analysis of population-genetic structure, we found that Ashkenazi Jews share the greatest genetic ancestry with other Jewish populations and, among non-Jewish populations, with groups from Europe and the Middle East. No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews to populations from the Caucasus is evident, particularly populations that most closely represent the Khazar region. Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/
Most Jews worldwide are somewhat recognizable as such. Central European Ashkenazim tend to be shorter with barrel chests presumably from Turkic-Mongol influences. British Jews have the thick wrists characteristic of old English stock, French Jews have aquiline noses with attitudes to match, American Jews are brash and pushy, though Israeli Jews are by far the most pushy of any human in history! I’ve never met Russian Jews (to my knowledge) but presume they look very Russian too – though the Gintzburg in charge of the vaccines and digitization programs there looks EXACTLY like a New Jersey Ginsberg friend of mine, which I found a little surprising. In any case, they take on characteristics over time of the host populations but even so seem to be a somewhat continuous, if not strictly-speaking racially homogeneous, people. Basically they are a Middle Eastern people who have spread through Europe and Western Russia picking up local charactistics along the way. I think the Khazar theory was just another deception in a long line of deceptions….
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 14:54 utc | 34
Time to revise that narrative:
Employing a variety of standard techniques for the analysis of population-genetic structure, we found that Ashkenazi Jews share the greatest genetic ancestry with other Jewish populations and, among non-Jewish populations, with groups from Europe and the Middle East. No particular similarity of Ashkenazi Jews to populations from the Caucasus is evident, particularly populations that most closely represent the Khazar region. Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/
Most Jews worldwide are somewhat recognizable as such. Central European Ashkenazim tend to be shorter with barrel chests presumably from Turkic-Mongol influences. British Jews have the thick wrists characteristic of old English stock, French Jews have aquiline noses with attitudes to match, American Jews are brash and pushy, though Israeli Jews are by far the most pushy of any human in history! I’ve never met Russian Jews (to my knowledge) but presume they look very Russian too – though the Gintzburg in charge of the vaccines and digitization programs there looks EXACTLY like a New Jersey Ginsberg friend of mine, which I found a little surprising. In any case, they take on characteristics over time of the host populations but even so seem to be a somewhat continuous, if not strictly-speaking racially homogeneous, people. Basically they are a Middle Eastern people who have spread through Europe and Western Russia picking up local charactistics along the way. I think the Khazar theory was just another deception in a long line of deceptions….
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-media-flailing-to-interpret-12-sec-video-of-sayyed-n
Posted by: ostro | Oct 29 2023 14:48 utc | 29
That’s the signal …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 15:38 utc | 91
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/israeli-media-flailing-to-interpret-12-sec-video-of-sayyed-n
Posted by: ostro | Oct 29 2023 14:48 utc | 29
That’s the signal …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 15:38 utc | 92
DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 13:48 utc | 9–
Thanks for that as it shows the foundation for the implementation of Divide and Rule being set.
DunGroanin | Oct 29 2023 13:48 utc | 9–
Thanks for that as it shows the foundation for the implementation of Divide and Rule being set.
oldhippie: is Hezbollah in it /screaming American Chabadi’s….
Once Hezbollah learn Spanish and relocates to Central America and starts walking North/Opens channels with cartels…. Rome+Scythians/Goths etc.
BTW Pepe Escobar (Telegram) surfs the chaos while maintaining humanity and positive demeanor, perhaps his constant traveling in central Asia helps?
Useful to observe that US Warships first action on arriving in Eastern Med was to Bomb Syrian Hezbollah positions, think Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Posted by: Mercury | Oct 29 2023 15:39 utc | 95
oldhippie: is Hezbollah in it /screaming American Chabadi’s….
Once Hezbollah learn Spanish and relocates to Central America and starts walking North/Opens channels with cartels…. Rome+Scythians/Goths etc.
BTW Pepe Escobar (Telegram) surfs the chaos while maintaining humanity and positive demeanor, perhaps his constant traveling in central Asia helps?
Useful to observe that US Warships first action on arriving in Eastern Med was to Bomb Syrian Hezbollah positions, think Ho Chi Minh Trail.
Posted by: Mercury | Oct 29 2023 15:39 utc | 96
Most Jews worldwide are somewhat recognizable as such. Central European Ashkenazim tend to be shorter with barrel chests presumably from Turkic-Mongol influences. British Jews have the thick wrists characteristic of old English stock, French Jews have aquiline noses with attitudes to match, American Jews are brash and pushy, though Israeli Jews are by far the most pushy of any human in history! I’ve never met Russian Jews (to my knowledge) but presume they look very Russian too – though the Gintzburg in charge of the vaccines and digitization programs there looks EXACTLY like a New Jersey Ginsberg friend of mine, which I found a little surprising. In any case, they take on characteristics over time of the host populations but even so seem to be a somewhat continuous, if not strictly-speaking racially homogeneous, people. Basically they are a Middle Eastern people who have spread through Europe and Western Russia picking up local charactistics along the way. I think the Khazar theory was just another deception in a long line of deceptions….
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 29 2023 15:37 utc | 47
What about:
– Ethiopian Jews?
– Kaifeng Jews?
– Yemeni Jews
– Pakistani Jews?
How do they fit into the middle eastern picture and how do they integrate with the ‘people’ you refer to ?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 15:40 utc | 97
Most Jews worldwide are somewhat recognizable as such. Central European Ashkenazim tend to be shorter with barrel chests presumably from Turkic-Mongol influences. British Jews have the thick wrists characteristic of old English stock, French Jews have aquiline noses with attitudes to match, American Jews are brash and pushy, though Israeli Jews are by far the most pushy of any human in history! I’ve never met Russian Jews (to my knowledge) but presume they look very Russian too – though the Gintzburg in charge of the vaccines and digitization programs there looks EXACTLY like a New Jersey Ginsberg friend of mine, which I found a little surprising. In any case, they take on characteristics over time of the host populations but even so seem to be a somewhat continuous, if not strictly-speaking racially homogeneous, people. Basically they are a Middle Eastern people who have spread through Europe and Western Russia picking up local charactistics along the way. I think the Khazar theory was just another deception in a long line of deceptions….
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 29 2023 15:37 utc | 47
What about:
– Ethiopian Jews?
– Kaifeng Jews?
– Yemeni Jews
– Pakistani Jews?
How do they fit into the middle eastern picture and how do they integrate with the ‘people’ you refer to ?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 15:40 utc | 98
@ Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 14:36 utc | 26
Probably the reason for the visit in Russia was interest in people with Russian citizenship among prisoners (tass.com/politics/1698633, tass.com/politics/1698627). And I bet they suggested to do a Surovikin move and run.
After Iran meeting the same message was repeated and it didn’t look interesting at all. Only if a “large” invasion takes place they will protest or something. “large invasion” is very ambiguous and not even needed, was only part of msm propaganda for panic and to fake some differences in opinion between US and Israel.
Posted by: rk | Oct 29 2023 15:42 utc | 99
@ Arch Bungle | Oct 29 2023 14:36 utc | 26
Probably the reason for the visit in Russia was interest in people with Russian citizenship among prisoners (tass.com/politics/1698633, tass.com/politics/1698627). And I bet they suggested to do a Surovikin move and run.
After Iran meeting the same message was repeated and it didn’t look interesting at all. Only if a “large” invasion takes place they will protest or something. “large invasion” is very ambiguous and not even needed, was only part of msm propaganda for panic and to fake some differences in opinion between US and Israel.
Posted by: rk | Oct 29 2023 15:42 utc | 100