Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.
The current open thread for other issues is here.
Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
Back to Main
October 26, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-252
Comments
by Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:43 utc | 43
I doubt that the USA can fight either. Maybe few elite units might try and do something little, but the rest is useless. It’ll be a car-crash derby overall, that is for sure.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 26 2023 15:56 utc | 101
by Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:43 utc | 43
I doubt that the USA can fight either. Maybe few elite units might try and do something little, but the rest is useless. It’ll be a car-crash derby overall, that is for sure.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 26 2023 15:56 utc | 102
Is this the Taiwan thread??? No, it is not so please stick to the topic and move the Taiwan & South China Sea discussion to the correct one. Thank you!
>>> https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/open-neither-ukraine-nor-palestine-thread-2023-250.html
Posted by: Zet | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 103
Is this the Taiwan thread??? No, it is not so please stick to the topic and move the Taiwan & South China Sea discussion to the correct one. Thank you!
>>> https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/open-neither-ukraine-nor-palestine-thread-2023-250.html
Posted by: Zet | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 104
Nearly the exact same comment can be made by Israel re Gaza (and in fact has been made by many): that due to their election and tolerance of the rule of Hamas, the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas’s attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
False Again. This is a classic example of the crude hasbara sophistry that’s been recycled millions of times on the internet.
Here’s the logic that purifies this bullshit:
1. Hamas was elected during the period where democratic elections were agreed and allowed by the Zionist occupation.
2. The election was fairly and peacefully concluded, with a cessation of violence by Hamas.
3. Following which the U.S, the Zionist occupation and it’s European lackeys, not accepting the result, engineered an attempted coup by Fateh under the direction of Gen. Keith Dayton (The Dayton Mission )
4. Hamas responded to the attempted overthrow of their elected government by Fateh by expunging it from Gaza.
5. The Zionist occupation responded by backing Fateh in the West Bank and driving Hamas underground, while imposing a blockade on Gaza.
From that point on Gaza has been under siege and by necessity a siege government has emerged led by Hamas in order to protect what little stability remained from Fateh elements still in Gaza whose intent it was to conduct terror attacks within Gaza in order to destroy Hamas – and the population that had elected them democratically.
And that’s how we got here.
The terrorism is all on the part of the Jewish Xionist occupation and it’s Anglo-American midwife
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 105
Nearly the exact same comment can be made by Israel re Gaza (and in fact has been made by many): that due to their election and tolerance of the rule of Hamas, the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas’s attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
False Again. This is a classic example of the crude hasbara sophistry that’s been recycled millions of times on the internet.
Here’s the logic that purifies this bullshit:
1. Hamas was elected during the period where democratic elections were agreed and allowed by the Zionist occupation.
2. The election was fairly and peacefully concluded, with a cessation of violence by Hamas.
3. Following which the U.S, the Zionist occupation and it’s European lackeys, not accepting the result, engineered an attempted coup by Fateh under the direction of Gen. Keith Dayton (The Dayton Mission )
4. Hamas responded to the attempted overthrow of their elected government by Fateh by expunging it from Gaza.
5. The Zionist occupation responded by backing Fateh in the West Bank and driving Hamas underground, while imposing a blockade on Gaza.
From that point on Gaza has been under siege and by necessity a siege government has emerged led by Hamas in order to protect what little stability remained from Fateh elements still in Gaza whose intent it was to conduct terror attacks within Gaza in order to destroy Hamas – and the population that had elected them democratically.
And that’s how we got here.
The terrorism is all on the part of the Jewish Xionist occupation and it’s Anglo-American midwife
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 106
the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas’s attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
… And by the way, there is no such thing as a ‘legitimate target of war’ for a colonial occupier. The population have inherent right to resistance by whatever means necessary, the occupier is inherently guilty of crimes against humanity by merely engaging in colonial occupation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:00 utc | 107
the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas’s attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
… And by the way, there is no such thing as a ‘legitimate target of war’ for a colonial occupier. The population have inherent right to resistance by whatever means necessary, the occupier is inherently guilty of crimes against humanity by merely engaging in colonial occupation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:00 utc | 108
@Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 54
Further reading can be found here:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/04/gaza200804
Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 16:03 utc | 109
@Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 54
Further reading can be found here:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/04/gaza200804
Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 16:03 utc | 110
by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 54
To which I can only add that list of Jewish terrorist groups is pretty long.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 26 2023 16:05 utc | 111
by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 54
To which I can only add that list of Jewish terrorist groups is pretty long.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 26 2023 16:05 utc | 112
Most in this forum favor the quick Russian and Chinese victories but not Israeli victory. There is no logic or good intentions here, just emotional hate towards Jews, Israel, Americans. Wishing for war against Israel will not benefit Palestinians, nor anyone else except Russia and China, nor will it lead to regional or world stability. A weakened Israel with nukes is much more dangerous to everyone than a unified ethnically cleansed Israel with nukes.
Posted by: Revelo | Oct 26 2023 15:37 utc | 46
…………………………….
Good post, well said
Israel is both a proxy irritant in the ME for Western Imperialism and the main vector of ancient ethno-religious ambition.
Given this context, how do you define ‘Israeli victory’?
Most in this forum favor the quick Russian and Chinese victories but not Israeli victory. There is no logic or good intentions here, just emotional hate towards Jews, Israel, Americans. Wishing for war against Israel will not benefit Palestinians, nor anyone else except Russia and China, nor will it lead to regional or world stability. A weakened Israel with nukes is much more dangerous to everyone than a unified ethnically cleansed Israel with nukes.
Posted by: Revelo | Oct 26 2023 15:37 utc | 46
…………………………….
Good post, well said
Israel is both a proxy irritant in the ME for Western Imperialism and the main vector of ancient ethno-religious ambition.
Given this context, how do you define ‘Israeli victory’?
Two interesting posts on Intel Slava Z Telegram:
🇷🇺🇵🇸❗️The Russian Foreign Ministry confirms that a Hamas delegation is visiting Moscow
🇮🇱🇵🇸❗️The Hamas movement said that approximately 50 hostages died as a result of Israeli shelling
Posted by: kspr | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 115
Two interesting posts on Intel Slava Z Telegram:
🇷🇺🇵🇸❗️The Russian Foreign Ministry confirms that a Hamas delegation is visiting Moscow
🇮🇱🇵🇸❗️The Hamas movement said that approximately 50 hostages died as a result of Israeli shelling
Posted by: kspr | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 116
Arch #54 –
Sorry, it does not matter “how we got here” in the argument whether people committed terrorism. The argument you made before was re whether there are civilians in Israel, which of course there are as I described, and therefore what Hamas did (in part) on Oct 7 was terrorism.
Terrorism is terrorism and can be called out (and will be called out) by people, especially heads of official states who themselves are potentially subject to it (like Putin’s Russia) when they see it. It is terror when Hamas kills civilians and it is terror when Israel does the same on a much larger scale.
Now, knowing the background and history is of course critical … much more important than any single action taken. And in this case, the actions of Hamas resemble those of a man who is being choked to death by someone’s boot pressed on their neck. Such a person will flail around and may hurt innocents as well as guilty until the boot is lifted.
But when he hurts innocents, that is called terrorism …
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 117
Arch #54 –
Sorry, it does not matter “how we got here” in the argument whether people committed terrorism. The argument you made before was re whether there are civilians in Israel, which of course there are as I described, and therefore what Hamas did (in part) on Oct 7 was terrorism.
Terrorism is terrorism and can be called out (and will be called out) by people, especially heads of official states who themselves are potentially subject to it (like Putin’s Russia) when they see it. It is terror when Hamas kills civilians and it is terror when Israel does the same on a much larger scale.
Now, knowing the background and history is of course critical … much more important than any single action taken. And in this case, the actions of Hamas resemble those of a man who is being choked to death by someone’s boot pressed on their neck. Such a person will flail around and may hurt innocents as well as guilty until the boot is lifted.
But when he hurts innocents, that is called terrorism …
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 118
Do you happen to have a source handy about that? I can tell Putin has to navigate complex cross-currents and that many conservative types are quite upset with him, but few of such dynamics make it into anglophone coverage. It seems one main beef is that he is beholden to Globalists and so keeps making regrettable compromises. One common example of this is his adoption of widespread surveillance and/or digitalization tech etc. This Chabad business sounds like another, probably related, angle.
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2023 15:52 utc | 49
I will dig back to what I’ve read. Here is the meta data from memory:
Part #1:
1. Putin engineered the ‘overthrow’ of the main Jewish leadership in Russia as the official representative of the Jewish faith in Russia.
2. He then replaced it with an opposing faction, one which it is said was more amenable to state control …
Part #2
1. Chabad Lubovitch *exists*. It’s structure and power over all Jewish councils globally defines it as a central coordinating body organising power and influence throughout much of the global Zionist Jewish community. Chabad-Lubavitch”>http://www.chabad-mafia.com/”>Chabad-Lubavitch is a criminal organization, an organized crime mafia
The inference I have made across decades of articles read in passing is that the Chabad, linked with Mossad, is part of a massive Zionist Jewish criminal influence network which can only but extend to political activities in the USA, Europe, Russia and the Ukraine.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 119
Do you happen to have a source handy about that? I can tell Putin has to navigate complex cross-currents and that many conservative types are quite upset with him, but few of such dynamics make it into anglophone coverage. It seems one main beef is that he is beholden to Globalists and so keeps making regrettable compromises. One common example of this is his adoption of widespread surveillance and/or digitalization tech etc. This Chabad business sounds like another, probably related, angle.
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2023 15:52 utc | 49
I will dig back to what I’ve read. Here is the meta data from memory:
Part #1:
1. Putin engineered the ‘overthrow’ of the main Jewish leadership in Russia as the official representative of the Jewish faith in Russia.
2. He then replaced it with an opposing faction, one which it is said was more amenable to state control …
Part #2
1. Chabad Lubovitch *exists*. It’s structure and power over all Jewish councils globally defines it as a central coordinating body organising power and influence throughout much of the global Zionist Jewish community. Chabad-Lubavitch”>http://www.chabad-mafia.com/”>Chabad-Lubavitch is a criminal organization, an organized crime mafia
The inference I have made across decades of articles read in passing is that the Chabad, linked with Mossad, is part of a massive Zionist Jewish criminal influence network which can only but extend to political activities in the USA, Europe, Russia and the Ukraine.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 120
Arch – Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 121
Arch – Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 122
Sorry, it does not matter “how we got here” in the argument whether people committed terrorism.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 60
Sorry, there are no ‘isreali’ civilians therefore there is no such thing as a terrorist act committed by Hamas.
All actions taken by Hamas are against white settler colonizers engaged in active colonization.
Full stop.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:13 utc | 123
Sorry, it does not matter “how we got here” in the argument whether people committed terrorism.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 60
Sorry, there are no ‘isreali’ civilians therefore there is no such thing as a terrorist act committed by Hamas.
All actions taken by Hamas are against white settler colonizers engaged in active colonization.
Full stop.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:13 utc | 124
UN, Tenth Emergency Special Session, 26 Oct LIVE stream
Illegal Israeli actions in occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory
The tenth Emergency Special Session of the General Assembly was convened for the first time in April 1997, following a request from the Permanent Representative of Qatar.
The session followed a series of Security Council and General Assembly meetings regarding the Israeli decision to build Har Homa, a 6,500 unit housing project, in the Jabal Abu Ghneim area of East Jerusalem.
The tenth Emergency Special Session was last resumed on 13 June 2018 to consider a draft resolution entitled “Protection of the Palestinian civilian population”, at the request of Member States
Letter dated 23 October 2023 from the President of the General Assembly to the Member States (EN) acknowledging requests by JO, MR (OIC 2023 chair), NI, RU, SY, ID, KH, LO, VN, LA, BG, TL, MV, MY, BN
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 125
UN, Tenth Emergency Special Session, 26 Oct LIVE stream
Illegal Israeli actions in occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory
The tenth Emergency Special Session of the General Assembly was convened for the first time in April 1997, following a request from the Permanent Representative of Qatar.
The session followed a series of Security Council and General Assembly meetings regarding the Israeli decision to build Har Homa, a 6,500 unit housing project, in the Jabal Abu Ghneim area of East Jerusalem.
The tenth Emergency Special Session was last resumed on 13 June 2018 to consider a draft resolution entitled “Protection of the Palestinian civilian population”, at the request of Member States
Letter dated 23 October 2023 from the President of the General Assembly to the Member States (EN) acknowledging requests by JO, MR (OIC 2023 chair), NI, RU, SY, ID, KH, LO, VN, LA, BG, TL, MV, MY, BN
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 126
@18 psycho
This is what republicans have done to hoodwink patriots/MAGA-types into submission:
Feign “no votes” on Ukraine when they damn well knew the funding would go through anyway, regardless of how much theater and posturing people like M. Gaetz put up in BS spiels about “funding Ukraine’s border and not ours!”
The uniparty plays badminton perfectly, volleying back and forth while the stupid plebs rootfor their stupid things that will never get done. But the birdie will fall eventually. We know this.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 127
@18 psycho
This is what republicans have done to hoodwink patriots/MAGA-types into submission:
Feign “no votes” on Ukraine when they damn well knew the funding would go through anyway, regardless of how much theater and posturing people like M. Gaetz put up in BS spiels about “funding Ukraine’s border and not ours!”
The uniparty plays badminton perfectly, volleying back and forth while the stupid plebs rootfor their stupid things that will never get done. But the birdie will fall eventually. We know this.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 128
Arch – Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 62
Quite right, this applies to the Zionist European colonizers w.r.t the Palestinians.
However, since there are no ‘isreali’ civilians therefore there is no such thing as a terrorist act committed by Hamas w.r.t the colonizers.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 129
Arch – Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 62
Quite right, this applies to the Zionist European colonizers w.r.t the Palestinians.
However, since there are no ‘isreali’ civilians therefore there is no such thing as a terrorist act committed by Hamas w.r.t the colonizers.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 130
UN, Tenth Emergency Special Session, 26 Oct LIVE stream
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 64
Is the outcome of this going to get vetoed down the toilet again like all the others?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:16 utc | 131
UN, Tenth Emergency Special Session, 26 Oct LIVE stream
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 64
Is the outcome of this going to get vetoed down the toilet again like all the others?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:16 utc | 132
Arch – Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 62
Right of existence and right of self defense, granted to Israel does not include the right to kill civilians by bombing and sieging Gaza as well.
Where Israel going to nuke somebody or somewhere will you stand by his side?
Posted by: Mario | Oct 26 2023 16:18 utc | 133
Arch – Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 62
Right of existence and right of self defense, granted to Israel does not include the right to kill civilians by bombing and sieging Gaza as well.
Where Israel going to nuke somebody or somewhere will you stand by his side?
Posted by: Mario | Oct 26 2023 16:18 utc | 134
The distinction between civilian and military largely went the way of the Dodo with aerial bombardment of cities.
Most arguments about terrorism are propaganda talking points.
The distinction between civilian and military largely went the way of the Dodo with aerial bombardment of cities.
Most arguments about terrorism are propaganda talking points.
My bet is that we will see a Philippines thread before we see a Taiwan thread.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:32 utc | 36
I think the tool they call bong bong was installed for just this purpose.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 16:20 utc | 137
My bet is that we will see a Philippines thread before we see a Taiwan thread.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:32 utc | 36
I think the tool they call bong bong was installed for just this purpose.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 16:20 utc | 138
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:53 utc | 50
USS Ford has been out since May 2 2023 on scheduled deployment. It was scheduled to be relieved by the USS Eisenhower which should arrive in the Med Sea soon. Ford was on a standard 6 month deployment which is now extended. For the last decade or so. Carrier deployments have lasted 10 months or more.
Far as I know the US has only 10 super carriers. These long deployments are stretching the US carrier force to the limits. It is really hard on the crew and their families.
As old as the US carrier fleet is getting. When they go in for a retrofit. It lasts for a Year and a half. Because those old leaky, and over used boats need a complete rebuild.
The USS Eisenhower completed such a rebuild last December.
Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 16:22 utc | 139
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:53 utc | 50
USS Ford has been out since May 2 2023 on scheduled deployment. It was scheduled to be relieved by the USS Eisenhower which should arrive in the Med Sea soon. Ford was on a standard 6 month deployment which is now extended. For the last decade or so. Carrier deployments have lasted 10 months or more.
Far as I know the US has only 10 super carriers. These long deployments are stretching the US carrier force to the limits. It is really hard on the crew and their families.
As old as the US carrier fleet is getting. When they go in for a retrofit. It lasts for a Year and a half. Because those old leaky, and over used boats need a complete rebuild.
The USS Eisenhower completed such a rebuild last December.
Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 16:22 utc | 140
If the Pentagon has boots on the ground actively fighting in-country……
That signals the IDF conscripts…
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:43 utc | 43
I sure hope this isn’t true. Hope….
IT MEANS the US is at war. Actively and directly. This could easily be a huge constitutional crisis, at the very least. Those who believe in constitutional order and rule of law will see it as perhaps their last stand. It will mean as well, direct and widespread imposed censorship, financial chaos, oil supply chaos and who knows what else, maybe internet and phone shutdowns.
Will the people of the US swallow it? It doesn’t seem to me the ROW can or will tolerate this.
It would be so much simpler if Russia would drop a big one over DC.
Posted by: oracle | Oct 26 2023 16:23 utc | 141
If the Pentagon has boots on the ground actively fighting in-country……
That signals the IDF conscripts…
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:43 utc | 43
I sure hope this isn’t true. Hope….
IT MEANS the US is at war. Actively and directly. This could easily be a huge constitutional crisis, at the very least. Those who believe in constitutional order and rule of law will see it as perhaps their last stand. It will mean as well, direct and widespread imposed censorship, financial chaos, oil supply chaos and who knows what else, maybe internet and phone shutdowns.
Will the people of the US swallow it? It doesn’t seem to me the ROW can or will tolerate this.
It would be so much simpler if Russia would drop a big one over DC.
Posted by: oracle | Oct 26 2023 16:23 utc | 142
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:16 utc | 66
Psssht, don’t ruin the tension of anticipation!
Yesterday’s episode was done quite well. I was especially disgusted when the Israeli guy held up the collage of alleged hostages – after bombing gaza to the stone age for two weeks. Great performance though, he didn’t even smirk. Oscar worthy.
Posted by: kspr | Oct 26 2023 16:24 utc | 143
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:16 utc | 66
Psssht, don’t ruin the tension of anticipation!
Yesterday’s episode was done quite well. I was especially disgusted when the Israeli guy held up the collage of alleged hostages – after bombing gaza to the stone age for two weeks. Great performance though, he didn’t even smirk. Oscar worthy.
Posted by: kspr | Oct 26 2023 16:24 utc | 144
Mario – If you read back in the thread, you see that all of us talking are on the side of the Palestinian resistance. The initial question was raised because Putin called the original Hamas actions on Oct 7 in part terrorism and some on the thread disagree with that characterization. I made the point that actions against civilians by any side are inherently terroristic and can be called as such, for what it’s worth, which, per Scorpion #68 is not very much (I agree that it’s mostly propaganda value).
But it is important to squarely stand on the side of civilians and their inherent right to security and peace, whether Israeli or Palestinian. The whole point is that we want a secure, peaceful and free existence for all the people of historic Palestine, right?
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:26 utc | 145
Barflies. Just for fun Do a internet search (I dont use the “G” word) on the terms USS Eisenhower and Love Boat. 🙂
Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 16:26 utc | 146
Mario – If you read back in the thread, you see that all of us talking are on the side of the Palestinian resistance. The initial question was raised because Putin called the original Hamas actions on Oct 7 in part terrorism and some on the thread disagree with that characterization. I made the point that actions against civilians by any side are inherently terroristic and can be called as such, for what it’s worth, which, per Scorpion #68 is not very much (I agree that it’s mostly propaganda value).
But it is important to squarely stand on the side of civilians and their inherent right to security and peace, whether Israeli or Palestinian. The whole point is that we want a secure, peaceful and free existence for all the people of historic Palestine, right?
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:26 utc | 147
Barflies. Just for fun Do a internet search (I dont use the “G” word) on the terms USS Eisenhower and Love Boat. 🙂
Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 16:26 utc | 148
IDF bombardment of Gaza has escalated now over 7000 civilians murdered by airstrikes, over 35 UN Relief workers giving out food, water and medicine have been targeted and murdered also.
Apparently the IDF wants to turn Gaza into Dresden……interesting……..when do the war crimes trials begin…..?
The IDF is now engaging in brutal blood lust……how else do you explain the Hellfire missile attack on the American Baptist Hospital grounds, the St Porphyrius Orthodox Greek Cathedral, or the UN Relief Agency HQ in which hundreds of innocent civilians, mostly women and children, have been atomized by Israeli glide bombs, made by the King of the MIC – Boeing……..
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 26 2023 16:27 utc | 149
IDF bombardment of Gaza has escalated now over 7000 civilians murdered by airstrikes, over 35 UN Relief workers giving out food, water and medicine have been targeted and murdered also.
Apparently the IDF wants to turn Gaza into Dresden……interesting……..when do the war crimes trials begin…..?
The IDF is now engaging in brutal blood lust……how else do you explain the Hellfire missile attack on the American Baptist Hospital grounds, the St Porphyrius Orthodox Greek Cathedral, or the UN Relief Agency HQ in which hundreds of innocent civilians, mostly women and children, have been atomized by Israeli glide bombs, made by the King of the MIC – Boeing……..
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 26 2023 16:27 utc | 150
Has anyone seen the claim that US special forces took casualties in Gaza reported anywhere but the aforementioned Tucker interview? I haven’t seen any Arab or resistance media discuss it
Posted by: Gengar | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 151
Has anyone seen the claim that US special forces took casualties in Gaza reported anywhere but the aforementioned Tucker interview? I haven’t seen any Arab or resistance media discuss it
Posted by: Gengar | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 152
Great quote from the great Arundhati Roy, young and cute here, and kudos Juan Sinmiedo for finding it:
if you want to know why Europeans reacted to the crimes committed against Gaza and Palestine, listen to their ideologue, Winston Churchill
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
Winston Churchill – To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 153
Great quote from the great Arundhati Roy, young and cute here, and kudos Juan Sinmiedo for finding it:
if you want to know why Europeans reacted to the crimes committed against Gaza and Palestine, listen to their ideologue, Winston Churchill
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
Winston Churchill – To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 154
Arch,
You are off base – regarding occupation and rules of war; time for you to hit the books my friend;
a good place to start is chapter 6 of USFM 27-10 Rules of Landwarfare (1956 edition) the most recent edition is errrr not neutral . The 1956 edition is a good summary of the topic.
https://www.moore.army.mil/infantry/DoctrineSupplement/ATP3-21.8/PDFs/fm27_10.pdf
And a primer on the entire subject of war comes of crimes of war written at the end of the Vietnam War by the Jewish American Michael Walzer Just and Unjust Wars ( ignore his ethno centric version of the 1967 War 😳)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_and_Unjust_Wars
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 155
Arch,
You are off base – regarding occupation and rules of war; time for you to hit the books my friend;
a good place to start is chapter 6 of USFM 27-10 Rules of Landwarfare (1956 edition) the most recent edition is errrr not neutral . The 1956 edition is a good summary of the topic.
https://www.moore.army.mil/infantry/DoctrineSupplement/ATP3-21.8/PDFs/fm27_10.pdf
And a primer on the entire subject of war comes of crimes of war written at the end of the Vietnam War by the Jewish American Michael Walzer Just and Unjust Wars ( ignore his ethno centric version of the 1967 War 😳)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_and_Unjust_Wars
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 156
Apparently the IDF wants to turn Gaza into Dresden……interesting……..when do the war crimes trials begin…..?
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 26 2023 16:27 utc | 75
<< robotic_voice >>
Israel has a right to defend itself.
<< / robotic voice >>
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:30 utc | 157
Apparently the IDF wants to turn Gaza into Dresden……interesting……..when do the war crimes trials begin…..?
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 26 2023 16:27 utc | 75
<< robotic_voice >>
Israel has a right to defend itself.
<< / robotic voice >>
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:30 utc | 158
For the record: Russian Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar said on Wednesday that Israelis and Palestinians could follow the example of Russia, where all religions live in peace. He stressed that people of different faiths live as friends in the country. alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin, Lazar noted that “there is peace between Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists – all religions and all peoples” in the country. He insisted that such a model is an example for the whole world.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:33 utc | 159
For the record: Russian Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar said on Wednesday that Israelis and Palestinians could follow the example of Russia, where all religions live in peace. He stressed that people of different faiths live as friends in the country. alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin, Lazar noted that “there is peace between Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists – all religions and all peoples” in the country. He insisted that such a model is an example for the whole world.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:33 utc | 160
LightYearsFromHome @42
Technically, the conflict will be between China and the Philippines, but there is zero chance of the Chinese landing troops in the Philippines. It will be strictly naval combat, and maybe some demolition of airfields in the Philippines using stand-off weapons. Even with the Chinese pulling their punches, the Philippine navy will be “neutralized” in the first couple hours of any war. To continue the conflict, the US will need to commit its naval assets to the fight. This will go surprisingly badly for the US. The Empire will escalate (because that’s all it knows how to do) until much of the Seventh Fleet is inoperable/sunk.
The problem for the Empire is that the Philippines is just too weak of a proxy, and there is no way to lure the Chinese into putting boots on the ground there. The fight will be strictly military vs military, with no opportunities for the Empire to engage in its favorite pass time of “collateral damage” and mass civilian casualties.
With China’s current level of development, and without the option of extending the pain and destruction to civilians, the Empire will lose, and lose big time. This will force the US to pull back for years (decades) in the best case for the Empire in order to rebuild its force projection capabilities. This will spare Taiwan and give the Chinese mainlanders plenty of time to charm the island folk back into the national fold.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 161
LightYearsFromHome @42
Technically, the conflict will be between China and the Philippines, but there is zero chance of the Chinese landing troops in the Philippines. It will be strictly naval combat, and maybe some demolition of airfields in the Philippines using stand-off weapons. Even with the Chinese pulling their punches, the Philippine navy will be “neutralized” in the first couple hours of any war. To continue the conflict, the US will need to commit its naval assets to the fight. This will go surprisingly badly for the US. The Empire will escalate (because that’s all it knows how to do) until much of the Seventh Fleet is inoperable/sunk.
The problem for the Empire is that the Philippines is just too weak of a proxy, and there is no way to lure the Chinese into putting boots on the ground there. The fight will be strictly military vs military, with no opportunities for the Empire to engage in its favorite pass time of “collateral damage” and mass civilian casualties.
With China’s current level of development, and without the option of extending the pain and destruction to civilians, the Empire will lose, and lose big time. This will force the US to pull back for years (decades) in the best case for the Empire in order to rebuild its force projection capabilities. This will spare Taiwan and give the Chinese mainlanders plenty of time to charm the island folk back into the national fold.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 162
“Now, detailed statistics on the casualties released by the Israeli daily Haaretz paint a starkly different picture. As of 23 October, the news outlet has released information on 683 Israelis killed during the Hamas-led offensive, including their names and locations of their deaths on 7 October.
Of these, 331 casualties – or 48.4 percent – have been confirmed to be soldiers and police officers, many of them female. Another 13 are described as rescue service members, and the remaining 339 are ostensibly considered to be civilians.
While this list is not comprehensive and only accounts for roughly half of Israel’s stated death toll, almost half of those killed in the melee are clearly identified as Israeli combatants.
There are also so far no recorded deaths of children under the age of three….”
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october
Posted by: pq | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 163
“Now, detailed statistics on the casualties released by the Israeli daily Haaretz paint a starkly different picture. As of 23 October, the news outlet has released information on 683 Israelis killed during the Hamas-led offensive, including their names and locations of their deaths on 7 October.
Of these, 331 casualties – or 48.4 percent – have been confirmed to be soldiers and police officers, many of them female. Another 13 are described as rescue service members, and the remaining 339 are ostensibly considered to be civilians.
While this list is not comprehensive and only accounts for roughly half of Israel’s stated death toll, almost half of those killed in the melee are clearly identified as Israeli combatants.
There are also so far no recorded deaths of children under the age of three….”
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october
Posted by: pq | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 164
You are off base – regarding occupation and rules of war; time for you to hit the books my friend;
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 78
I need hit none of those books.
None of those rules are laws, just dry theories produced in the service of an empire bent on violating the very laws it makes up for others.
If it requires a simple man fighting for his life to peruse endless tomes like USFM 27-10 Rules of Landwarfare (1956 edition) lest he live in fear that the very act of defending his life might violate the white man’s ‘laws’, then these laws are not laws, but acts of sophistry.
When survival of a people is on the line the basic moral principles of self defence within ones means is sufficient. Anything further is of no value.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 165
You are off base – regarding occupation and rules of war; time for you to hit the books my friend;
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 78
I need hit none of those books.
None of those rules are laws, just dry theories produced in the service of an empire bent on violating the very laws it makes up for others.
If it requires a simple man fighting for his life to peruse endless tomes like USFM 27-10 Rules of Landwarfare (1956 edition) lest he live in fear that the very act of defending his life might violate the white man’s ‘laws’, then these laws are not laws, but acts of sophistry.
When survival of a people is on the line the basic moral principles of self defence within ones means is sufficient. Anything further is of no value.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 166
I don’t care what anyone says, although I will admit it makes for good internet discussion. I am more interested in what people do.
Putin can call Palestinians animals and filth if he manages to save lives, as far as I am concerned.
If one likes talk, listen to the Americans. They talk endlessly.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2023 16:37 utc | 167
I don’t care what anyone says, although I will admit it makes for good internet discussion. I am more interested in what people do.
Putin can call Palestinians animals and filth if he manages to save lives, as far as I am concerned.
If one likes talk, listen to the Americans. They talk endlessly.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2023 16:37 utc | 168
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 61
…………………….
Thank you.
Most discussion of multipolarism assumes discrete power distribution held by traditional nation states and their alliances, whereas in fact there are many, often more influential, para-intra- and-inter-national networks in the mix with no end of sometimes aligned sometimes antagonistic cross currents.
Further, technology has collapsed geographical separation making a one-world system both already extant (if horribly messy and conflicted) and urgently necessary to resolve in a truly civilized fashion.
If the twentieth century taught anything it is that Utopian Ideologies don’t deliver on their promises, no matter how sincerely intended. Yet without some sort of shared value culture, unending conflict between factions, nation-based or otherwise, is inevitable. Probably better to have different civilizational poles, each entire unto itself with clear jurisdictional boundaries.
But again technology, along with commerce, dissolves such boundaries so….
No easy answers.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 61
…………………….
Thank you.
Most discussion of multipolarism assumes discrete power distribution held by traditional nation states and their alliances, whereas in fact there are many, often more influential, para-intra- and-inter-national networks in the mix with no end of sometimes aligned sometimes antagonistic cross currents.
Further, technology has collapsed geographical separation making a one-world system both already extant (if horribly messy and conflicted) and urgently necessary to resolve in a truly civilized fashion.
If the twentieth century taught anything it is that Utopian Ideologies don’t deliver on their promises, no matter how sincerely intended. Yet without some sort of shared value culture, unending conflict between factions, nation-based or otherwise, is inevitable. Probably better to have different civilizational poles, each entire unto itself with clear jurisdictional boundaries.
But again technology, along with commerce, dissolves such boundaries so….
No easy answers.
“I sure hope this isn’t true. Hope….
IT MEANS the US is at war.”
Too late for hope. US sending 4 aircraft carriers and 80+ planeloads of weapons and soldiers to the region.
That is no “deterrent” move. Thats is preparation for war.
Most likely Lebanon and Syria first. Then Iran.
Time to stock up on stuff cause prices awill skyrocket and supply will plummet.
Time to move now
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 26 2023 16:43 utc | 173
“I sure hope this isn’t true. Hope….
IT MEANS the US is at war.”
Too late for hope. US sending 4 aircraft carriers and 80+ planeloads of weapons and soldiers to the region.
That is no “deterrent” move. Thats is preparation for war.
Most likely Lebanon and Syria first. Then Iran.
Time to stock up on stuff cause prices awill skyrocket and supply will plummet.
Time to move now
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 26 2023 16:43 utc | 174
For some strange reason, the word ‘terrorism’ in America is synonymous to supporting military aid in the billions.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:44 utc | 175
For some strange reason, the word ‘terrorism’ in America is synonymous to supporting military aid in the billions.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:44 utc | 176
Nearly the exact same comment can be made by Israel re Gaza (and in fact has been made by many): that due to their election and tolerance of the rule of Hamas, the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas’s attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Same argument that AlQ made about “no innocents in the west” …
We do not want that, right? So therefore let’s be pretty clear that civilians are people who are not currently serving in a military role in a govt and leave it at that. Anything else would invite chaos and war crimes.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
Folks who post this POV, bury the FACT THAT GAZA AND THE WEST BANK ARE OCCUPIED BY ISRAEL.
Peoples under occupation have the right to fight and to destroy the occupying force, and those who support it.
This means… as Erdogan said yesterday… that HAMAS is…. as legitimate authority of GAZA…
fighting for freedom… and is entitled to kill whomever, wherever, and destoy whatever to drive the occupiers out…
Which means…
The fastest way to end this affair is for one or more of the great powers to ground the IAF and immobilize the Israeli Army, and Navy,
Then…
Force Israel to retreat to within the UNGA 181 boundaries.
Daring NATO to intervene…
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 177
Nearly the exact same comment can be made by Israel re Gaza (and in fact has been made by many): that due to their election and tolerance of the rule of Hamas, the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas’s attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Same argument that AlQ made about “no innocents in the west” …
We do not want that, right? So therefore let’s be pretty clear that civilians are people who are not currently serving in a military role in a govt and leave it at that. Anything else would invite chaos and war crimes.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
Folks who post this POV, bury the FACT THAT GAZA AND THE WEST BANK ARE OCCUPIED BY ISRAEL.
Peoples under occupation have the right to fight and to destroy the occupying force, and those who support it.
This means… as Erdogan said yesterday… that HAMAS is…. as legitimate authority of GAZA…
fighting for freedom… and is entitled to kill whomever, wherever, and destoy whatever to drive the occupiers out…
Which means…
The fastest way to end this affair is for one or more of the great powers to ground the IAF and immobilize the Israeli Army, and Navy,
Then…
Force Israel to retreat to within the UNGA 181 boundaries.
Daring NATO to intervene…
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 178
Too late for hope. US sending 4 aircraft carriers and 80+ planeloads of weapons and soldiers to the region.
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 26 2023 16:43 utc | 87
I take it this is open admission that U-crane is f**ked then?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 179
Too late for hope. US sending 4 aircraft carriers and 80+ planeloads of weapons and soldiers to the region.
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 26 2023 16:43 utc | 87
I take it this is open admission that U-crane is f**ked then?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 180
Col. Macgregor said on Youtube that a small US and Israeli reconnaissance unit entered Gaza and was given a bloody nose (ie. there apparently were losses). Shortly thereafter, the video was taken down and the account terminated.
Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 26 2023 16:47 utc | 181
Col. Macgregor said on Youtube that a small US and Israeli reconnaissance unit entered Gaza and was given a bloody nose (ie. there apparently were losses). Shortly thereafter, the video was taken down and the account terminated.
Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 26 2023 16:47 utc | 182
Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 26 2023 16:47 utc | 91
Alastair Crooke, whom I have tremendous respect for, repeated the same essential claim on today’s Judge Napoletano.
The weights are adding up on this axon …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:49 utc | 183
Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 26 2023 16:47 utc | 91
Alastair Crooke, whom I have tremendous respect for, repeated the same essential claim on today’s Judge Napoletano.
The weights are adding up on this axon …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:49 utc | 184
Posted by: pq | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 82
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
I wonder how many of those are dual citizens from India. My understanding is that about 6,000 young Indians have joined the IOF over the last few years with Modi’s blessing.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:50 utc | 185
Posted by: pq | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 82
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
I wonder how many of those are dual citizens from India. My understanding is that about 6,000 young Indians have joined the IOF over the last few years with Modi’s blessing.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:50 utc | 186
The fastest way to end this affair is for one or more of the great powers to ground the IAF and immobilize the Israeli Army, and Navy,
Then…
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 89
That sounds like R2P … Humanitarian Intervention?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:52 utc | 187
The fastest way to end this affair is for one or more of the great powers to ground the IAF and immobilize the Israeli Army, and Navy,
Then…
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 89
That sounds like R2P … Humanitarian Intervention?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:52 utc | 188
from intel slava…
“The Hamas movement said that approximately 50 hostages died as a result of Israeli shelling.”
i can’t remember the name someone gave for israel murdering their own.. i think it is called the hannibal doctrine..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
hannibal directive…… that was apparently used on the supernova rave in response to the ”surprise” hamas attack..
Posted by: james | Oct 26 2023 16:58 utc | 189
from intel slava…
“The Hamas movement said that approximately 50 hostages died as a result of Israeli shelling.”
i can’t remember the name someone gave for israel murdering their own.. i think it is called the hannibal doctrine..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
hannibal directive…… that was apparently used on the supernova rave in response to the ”surprise” hamas attack..
Posted by: james | Oct 26 2023 16:58 utc | 190
As far as I understood, Putin mentioned ‘international terrorism’. This label was not in reference to Hamas or any other militant group fighting for sovereignty in Palestine. The Russian language is highly unique in this regard where incorrect interpretation of semantics lead to wrong conclusion by those less familiar with the language. In fact, his use of the words carefully crafted were a hint to the West.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:08 utc | 26
That was my initial take *until* the very end when he talked about punishing the innocent victims by cutting water & electricity being wrong. Hamas is not cutting electricity or water, Israel is.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 26 2023 16:59 utc | 191
As far as I understood, Putin mentioned ‘international terrorism’. This label was not in reference to Hamas or any other militant group fighting for sovereignty in Palestine. The Russian language is highly unique in this regard where incorrect interpretation of semantics lead to wrong conclusion by those less familiar with the language. In fact, his use of the words carefully crafted were a hint to the West.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:08 utc | 26
That was my initial take *until* the very end when he talked about punishing the innocent victims by cutting water & electricity being wrong. Hamas is not cutting electricity or water, Israel is.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 26 2023 16:59 utc | 192
Dr. George: “Peoples under occupation have the right to fight and to destroy the occupying force, and those who support it.”
The first part, no question … the “those who support it” part can get people to commit acts that are both immoral and can be called terrorism, for what that label is worth.
As an exaggerated example, a couple of nuclear bombs going off in Israel would likely end the occupation; but I’m sure you’d agree this would be an incredibly immoral act of genocidal terror.
So, no, not every act of resistance is legal, moral, or acceptable by even people under occupation and slavery, though much is understandable and explainable, which is a whole other thing.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 193
Dr. George: “Peoples under occupation have the right to fight and to destroy the occupying force, and those who support it.”
The first part, no question … the “those who support it” part can get people to commit acts that are both immoral and can be called terrorism, for what that label is worth.
As an exaggerated example, a couple of nuclear bombs going off in Israel would likely end the occupation; but I’m sure you’d agree this would be an incredibly immoral act of genocidal terror.
So, no, not every act of resistance is legal, moral, or acceptable by even people under occupation and slavery, though much is understandable and explainable, which is a whole other thing.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 194
@ AI | Oct 26 2023 16:33 utc | 80
but that would be an end to zionism too… no homeland for the jews? i can’t see the zionists going along with it.. the world under uk leadership and etc – helped create this and the usa continues in the same tradition… their is no easy way out, short to dismantling the whole concept of zionism as i understand it..
Posted by: james | Oct 26 2023 17:01 utc | 195
@ AI | Oct 26 2023 16:33 utc | 80
but that would be an end to zionism too… no homeland for the jews? i can’t see the zionists going along with it.. the world under uk leadership and etc – helped create this and the usa continues in the same tradition… their is no easy way out, short to dismantling the whole concept of zionism as i understand it..
Posted by: james | Oct 26 2023 17:01 utc | 196
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 97
###############
Stop. You’re trying to rationalize rules for slavers, racists, and tyrants. It’s a worse look than your other comments today.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2023 17:03 utc | 197
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 97
###############
Stop. You’re trying to rationalize rules for slavers, racists, and tyrants. It’s a worse look than your other comments today.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2023 17:03 utc | 198
So, no, not every act of resistance is legal, moral, or acceptable by even people under occupation and slavery, though much is understandable and explainable, which is a whole other thing.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 97
Every act that is indeed resistance is acceptable.
Every act that is not resistance is unacceptable.
When you dehumanise the human animal and bring that animal to within an inch of it’s life the concepts of legality and morality are superseded by the ultimate Law and the Ultimate Morality:
The Law of Survival.
Under these conditions, regarding the organism that has been forced to resist in order not to perish, the artificial salad of Legalistic interpretations of Morality and Acceptability are suspended.
This is why colonialism must not be permitted to begin with – for it brings humankind to the unavoidable and ultimate precipice of morality and law!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 17:10 utc | 199
So, no, not every act of resistance is legal, moral, or acceptable by even people under occupation and slavery, though much is understandable and explainable, which is a whole other thing.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 97
Every act that is indeed resistance is acceptable.
Every act that is not resistance is unacceptable.
When you dehumanise the human animal and bring that animal to within an inch of it’s life the concepts of legality and morality are superseded by the ultimate Law and the Ultimate Morality:
The Law of Survival.
Under these conditions, regarding the organism that has been forced to resist in order not to perish, the artificial salad of Legalistic interpretations of Morality and Acceptability are suspended.
This is why colonialism must not be permitted to begin with – for it brings humankind to the unavoidable and ultimate precipice of morality and law!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 17:10 utc | 200