Palestine Open Thread 2023-252
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Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
Posted by: Kalmyk_George | Oct 26 2023 13:58 utc | 3
Gaza has been sieged well before Oct, 7.
Possibly, the siege itself caused, at least partially, the October 7 attack.
Posted by: Mario | Oct 26 2023 14:01 utc | 3
Posted by: Kalmyk_George | Oct 26 2023 13:58 utc | 3
Opposition to the blockade is on mostly humanitarian grounds. It's a question of values, not instrumental rationality.
Posted by: SpatialFix | Oct 26 2023 14:03 utc | 4
Alastair Crooke was just now saying on Judge Napolitano that 80 heavy lift aircraft from the US flew into the Middle East yesterday carrying unknown weaponry and/or troops. And two more aircraft carriers have left the US for destinations unknown. That looks like a big escalation. Anything from our States-side barflies?
(repeated from previous thread, as new thread opening).
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 26 2023 14:04 utc | 5
I made a dark humor joke about that too, Marielle. In time it may be half a dozen Western Projects in freefall for b to juggle here. Bad times, bad times. ;)
Different topic, I just wanted to give praise to some people I see in Gaza. Those blessed who try to soothe and distract the children from the continuous horrors and terrors around them impress me. That's an unbearable contradiction that would wear me down fast. Not even aid can reliably reach them, yet they show the beauty of humanity in extremes.
Humbling.
Posted by: titmouse | Oct 26 2023 14:05 utc | 6
How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
Not before five years at least is my guess.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 26 2023 14:06 utc | 7
Douglas Macgregor told Tucker Carlson on 23 Oct that "within the last 24 hours or so" US special forces and Israeli special forced entered Gaza to reconnoitre. They "were shot to pieces and took heavy losses".
https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1717041873523560736
Did Palestinian or other sources report the fight?
Posted by: TN | Oct 26 2023 14:09 utc | 8
Marielle @2
Hopefully we get a “South China Sea” open thread before then. That way we might never get up to a Taiwan open thread at all. I’d prefer Taiwan not getting flattened, given the choice.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 26 2023 14:09 utc | 9
How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
As soon as the US has built enough chip factories on its own soil or that of its vassals. But this topic should be moved to the general open thread…
Posted by: Zet | Oct 26 2023 14:13 utc | 10
Did Palestinian or other sources report the fight?
Posted by: TN | Oct 26 2023 14:09 utc | 12
It was mentioned as a fact by Alastair Crooke just now. One tank and a group of Israeli and another of American special forces. I am not surprised it's being passed ove by the media.
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 26 2023 14:16 utc | 11
How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
China's foreign minister Wang Yi is visiting the US tomorrow. One of his missions is probably to delay the start of Taiwan open threads as much as possible.
Posted by: TN | Oct 26 2023 14:20 utc | 12
Examine the evidence carefully before accepting any Israeli claims about the Hamas raid on Israel..Forty beheaded babies? No evidence, obviously made up..Hamas butchery? Woman from Kibbutz says Hamas killed no one, IDF killed all hostages and most of kibbutzim by firing randomly at everyone...etc...
Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 26 2023 14:20 utc | 13
Very disappointed with Putin's characterization of Hamas's actions on 7 October as terrorism in his talk with Russia's religious leaders yesterday which will eventually be posted at my substack. Perhaps a fair reading also renders the Zionist's response as terrorism too:
A new round of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has already claimed thousands of lives, thousands of them.Russia has experienced and knows what international terrorism is. We know what it is. We will always feel the bitterness of the irreparable losses suffered by our country during the years of fighting international terrorism.
I sincerely want to express my condolences to the families of Israelis and citizens of other countries whose loved ones were killed and injured in the attack on October 7 this year.
But it is also clear to us that innocent people should not be held accountable for crimes committed by others. The fight against terrorism cannot be conducted according to the notorious principle of collective responsibility, when the elderly, women, children, entire families are also killed, and hundreds of thousands of people are left without shelter, food, water, electricity and medical care. This is a real humanitarian disaster.
I'd ask Putin why he refrained from the same sort of criticism of the Zionists when they wantonly assault and kill Palestinians as is their habit over the past 75+ years, the recent spate of West Bank Terrorism by Zionist "settlers" is well known to those closely watching events--where's Russia's similar condemnation?!?! Sure, Putin follows that with an elaboration of Russia's policy--the Two-State Solution--but then he goes on to say that there's a geopolitical policy goal behind all these doings, which include Ukraine. Again, barflies will need to closely read everything Putin says. And I'm going to cutoff my comments now as I'm still in the process of analyzing what was said.
Also important is Lavrov's statement today in Minsk at the High-Level International Conference "Eurasian Security: Reality and Prospects in a Transforming World," which will also be translated and posted to my substack sometime today.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2023 14:30 utc | 20
I am baffled.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 26 2023 14:36 utc | 15
@ Karlofi
I'd say Putin doesn't pick a fight until he's ready to win it.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 26 2023 14:43 utc | 16
Not before five years at least is my guess.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 26 2023 14:06 utc | 11
My estimate would be 10 years (on historical data)
But it’s been a while (2 years) that I have the feeling Xi wants to do it and fears not being alive and in charge by then…
Posted by: Newbie | Oct 26 2023 14:45 utc | 17
ZH has a posting up with the title
House Approves Resolution Backing Israel In New Speaker's First Move
the quote
The House on Wednesday approved a resolution that expressed strong support for Israel, the first bill brought to the floor after Rep. Mike Johnson (R-LA) was elected as the chamber’s new speaker.The resolution passed in a vote of 412-10 and says that the US "stands" with Israel in the wake of the October 7 Hamas attack and as Israel is relentlessly bombing Gaza. The resolution reaffirmed the US commitment to providing military aid to Israel and said Congress will work to pass more.
....
Johnson won the speakership hours before the vote and pledged his first action would be in support of Israel. "Our nation’s greatest ally in the Middle East is under attack. The first bill that I’m gonna bring to this floor in just a little while will be in support of our dear friend Israel," he said.
I love my country but am ashamed of my country's government.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2023 14:45 utc | 18
Very disappointed with Putin's characterization of Hamas's actions on 7 October as terrorism in his talk with Russia's religious leaders yesterday which will eventually be posted at my substack. Perhaps a fair reading also renders the Zionist's response as terrorism too:
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2023 14:30 utc | 20
The reality is that Putin, along with the Russian deep state has to be careful of a Jewish Zionist 5th column that could bring Russia crashing down at any time, as it can with the US and Britain.
He too treads a fine line despite his attempts to subvert the power of the Chabad Lubovitch Jews in Russia.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 19
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 26 2023 14:16 utc | 16
One tank and a group of Israeli and another of American special forces
WTF? Why are US troops directly involved in yet another war without the slightest public discussion of this escalation? Looks like "bloody shirts R us" again. Is this yet another consequence of AUMF?
Posted by: john brewster | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 20
China is waiting for the development of 01/2024 Taiwan General Election. It is still fluid with multiple possible outcomes. So better hold your horse yet. China stated many times that it will not invade Taiwan, China wants peaceful unification. It is US being the war-monger. Any surprise?
The most likely new Open Thread here may be the South China Sea situation. Biden yesterday warned China not to attack Philippines, which is a provoking delusion. China never said it will attack Philippine. But like an old dog which will never quit eating its own shits, Biden just bloviated statements like that so he doesn't look weak. So to fulfill his obligations to the neocons, Biden may start something in SCS, preferably again using a proxy: Philippine. May be before November, 2024 election.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 21
The good Jews are welcome to stay under a Palestinian government.
Posted by: Cbftyping | Oct 26 2023 14:06 utc | 10
The Good Jews:
1. The Yemenite Children Affair refers to the disappearance of mainly Yemenite Jewish babies and toddlers of immigrants to the newly founded state of Israel from 1948 to 1954.
2. Operation Solomon (Hebrew: מבצע שלמה, Mivtza Shlomo) was a covert Israeli military operation from May 24 to 25, 1991, to airlift Ethiopian Jews to Israel
The people we're dealing with will literally transport entire populations over land and sea to sculpt the satanic inversion of reality they desire.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 14:54 utc | 22
Here's an interesting interview. One of the last I believe of Gaddafi. He makes some very interesting and poignant assessments about Gaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUhZmO6P0NU . On another point, has anyone connected Biden's speech with those of his predecessors. Here's a few that I think he's been listening to, or at least his speech writers have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tf2xGb5Nsg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANi1ZRl8P9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N1_JGG4XX8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFyhAcp2DG4 and so on and so on. I think they have a jukebox at the white house and they love to play their favorites. What a crock... our world is doomed. Unless... I sigh because from where I sit there is no sense in the world. The global West is beyond knowing the truth or indeed what to do with it. This whole situation is fabricated and distorted. The voices here have more semblance than others and I pray, as an atheist, that reason will prevail. I know, as a realist, that it will not. It has been determined by the "neocon crazies" and our choices, are but a veil. Good luck people.
Posted by: Trinculo | Oct 26 2023 15:03 utc | 23
Posted by: john brewster | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 28
US hostages rescue??? Good enough excuse for you? Don't forget, US just sent its best General on Fallujah destruction to Israel, he has to put on some show of force to justify his paycheck, right/
Posted by: KiaySupporter | Oct 26 2023 15:04 utc | 24
john brewster@28
According to Nick Turse US forces are also up to their ears in the fight against hizbullah in Lebanon.
Along with the Crooke news, relayed by laguerre, it is an indication of the way in which the US has stopped claiming that it is capable of arbitrating between the parties. It stopped pretending in the 1990s when Bush's relatively sophisticated policy was replaced by Clinton's 'Foreign Affairs as Fund Raising' policies.
It has long been clear that the Fascists in Israel are dead set on suicide through armageddon but we had to wait til Biden for this 'nothing to lose' attitude to become the USA's aim too.
Shouldn't somebody tell the American people?
Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2023 15:05 utc | 25
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2023 14:30 utc | 20
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
As far as I understood, Putin mentioned 'international terrorism'. This label was not in reference to Hamas or any other militant group fighting for sovereignty in Palestine. The Russian language is highly unique in this regard where incorrect interpretation of semantics lead to wrong conclusion by those less familiar with the language. In fact, his use of the words carefully crafted were a hint to the West.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:08 utc | 26
Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2023 15:05 utc | 33
Thanks for the link to Nick Turse. Nuggets of facts like that are why I wade through 300+ post threads. The hypocrisy of criticizing Iran while we are sending billions to Lebanon is par for the course these days.
Meanwhile, some Army Reserve weapons trainer (who said he had been hearing voices and had been hospitalized for an undisclosed mental health problem) shoots up a small town in Maine (20 dead, 60 wounded). I guess the Army is so strapped for bodies that they will leave ticking time bombs like this lying around. This country is an open air looney bin from the WH to rural Maine, and all points in between.
Posted by: john brewster | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 27
Re Putin's comment on terrorism on Oct 7, it must be admitted that some of the actions taken by the attackers were in fact anti-civilian and therefore terroristic in nature. That such actions are quite expected from an enslaved and occupied and terrorized and traumatized people would be the second half of the statement that would be nice to hear.
Speaking of second halfs, I was impressed by Guterres's followup statement after he was criticized ... did not walk it back at all:
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 28
How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc |
Never. The claptrap about Taiwan being on the verge of declaring independence is just a bunch of nonsense.
The Taiwanese aren’t stupid. They can see what’s happening in Ukraine, and are fully aware of how they suffered during WWII: always at the hands of the US military and their Allies, in bombing raids and various post-war massacres (228, The White Terror, martial law until the late 80s, etc).
I advise you to always remember that 90% of English online media (**ESPECIALLY** the “free” corporate media) which claims to explain foreign relations to English-speaking audiences are native Western intel agency psyops, highly controlled from the top-down to deceive “ordinary people” into allowing the “Forever Wars” (a classic of sci-fi and recommended reading) to continue without objection.
The Taiwanese are generally far more politically astute than the US recognizes. Do you remember when Blinken was publicly scolded in..what was it…Alaska, a few years ago, by his Chinese “partner”?
That could just as easily have been a Taiwanese lecture, we’re the Taiwanese not entirely dependent upon the “Special Status” of “non-independent territory of Chinathat remains essentially independent.”
The Taiwanese know that this status is “unsustainable,” over the long term. The bourgeoisie and political elite know that for certain, but the political detritus of the rabble are mercilessly assaulted by US propaganda through many windows.
Those people make a lot of noise online, but they are mostly ignorant laborers, retail staff, and shopkeepers who have poor education and virtually no political power beyond the occasional vote—which, from the looks of the last 30 years, is generally fixed in advance via “gentlemen’s agreement” ( and yes, I have personal Taiwanese cabinet-level experience to inform me on that one).
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 26 2023 15:19 utc | 29
A joint statement adopted by the foreign ministers of Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Qatar and Saudi Arabia calls on the UN Security Council "to commit the parties to an immediate and durable ceasefire.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:19 utc | 30
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 36
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
Do you have a link to the source in the Russian language?
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:21 utc | 31
#39 - I do not ... I was going off Karlof's link @ #20 ...
But the argument is pretty sound: a head of an official state must decry and denounce "terrorism" generally. Otherwise, when the shoe is on the other foot, you just look too hypocritical. Providing background and explanation would be very useful always ...
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:25 utc | 32
Re Putin's comment on terrorism on Oct 7, it must be admitted that some of the actions taken by the attackers were in fact anti-civilian and therefore terroristic in nature.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 36
Utterly false.
The prevalence of this mantra following or concluding the commentary of every western leader indicates how deeply they've been compromised by the Anglo-Zionist psychological warfare:
1. There are no civilians in the settlements around Gaza. None. Zero.
2. ALL the settlements that were attacked are artifacts of the European settler colonization process. Every single one.
3. ALL non-uniformed personnel present in the settlements are engaged in the active process of settler colonialism. This includes those attending the dance party.
In actuality:
- None of the actions taken by Hamas were anti-civilian in nature since no such thing as a "civilian" exists in the settler colony
- Since there is no civilian population, there can be no terrorism since terrorism is aimed at a civilian population. Tactics aimed at the settler colonial occupiers of Palestine are inherently directed against people engaged in a military occupation.
In short:
No civilians. Therefore no terrorism.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:29 utc | 33
How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
Well, you're definitely asking the right questions. The pyromaniacs of US imperialism seem disappointed with the fires they've started around the world so far. They feel compelled to burn the whole house down to regain their status.
Nonetheless, I have this sense, maybe wishful thinking, that the people of Taiwan will shock imperialism with their wisdom and ally with China. Nonetheless, it would probably then be a Japan or South Korea thread.
There is no democracy in the west, both parties and Kennedy will keep pushing to WW3 if only by virtue of their desperate class position and the doomed nature of their tottering empire.
A civil war across the west is the only cure to the many imperialist wars across the world. We need a parallel anti imperialist power in the west yesterday. The good people of Russia and Palestine need it too.
Talk to your family, neighbors, co workers, anyone that opposes the war on Russia and the slaughter of innocents in Palestine. There are millions in the west that feel this way, regardless of what the trolls say.
Start meeting, organizing and expanding. There will soon be a competition to discover the real revolutionaries in the west. This message is for the young, strong and brave. Those who haven't grown so tired they fear the morrow. For the rest, you can provide experience, perspective and moral support.
For the rest, just stay out of the way.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 15:30 utc | 34
If brazen cruelty in war justifies brazen cruelty, then Israel and Palestine are both now justified in brazen cruelty. Just let them kill each other and see who wins.
Posted by: Kalmyk_George | Oct 26 2023 13:58 utc | 3
Such trolls get only one word from me: zionazi. That's you, Georgie. We see you.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 15:32 utc | 35
How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
Nonetheless, I have this sense, maybe wishful thinking, that the people of Taiwan will shock imperialism with their wisdom and ally with China. Nonetheless, it would probably then be a Japan or South Korea thread.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 15:30 utc | 42
My bet is that we will see a Philippines thread before we see a Taiwan thread.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:32 utc | 36
Meanwhile, some Army Reserve weapons trainer (who said he had been hearing voices and had been hospitalized for an undisclosed mental health problem) shoots up a small town in Maine (20 dead, 60 wounded).
Posted by: john brewster | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 35
With that body count he could teach Hamas a thing or two ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:35 utc | 37
@ 8 Posted by: laguerre
And two more aircraft carriers have left the US for destinations unknown. That looks like a big escalation. Anything from our States-side barflies?
As Far as I know the only Super Carriers deployed recently are:
The USS Carl Vinson in route to the Indo - China area. Most likely the Gulf of Oman to keep an eye on Iran.
And
The 45 year old USS Eisenhower is on a scheduled deployment in route to the Mediterranean Sea to relieve the USS Ford. But the Ford's Deployment was just extended because of the dog fight in the middle east. The crew of the USS Ford who have been deployed 6 months on a European cruise celebrated their extended deployment with a steak and lobster dinner.
Only other Carrier out and about is the USS Ronald Reagan. It was in port port in Buson South Korea last I saw keeping an eye on North Korea.
As far as cargo flights. .Planes have been flying arms into Israel bringing bombs since this whole shit show started. Gotta keep killing those civilians in Palestine. The body count is nearing 7000. Go Team!
Nothing new. Just bluff, bluster, and death from the US.
Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 15:35 utc | 38
The US is sending troops to Israel.
These are "tripwire troops".
When Hezbollah hits an American in Israel
the US warmongers will point to Iran as it supports Hezbollah.
Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 15:40 utc | 39
Arch Bungle #41 - We disagree.
Nearly the exact same comment can be made by Israel re Gaza (and in fact has been made by many): that due to their election and tolerance of the rule of Hamas, the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas's attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Same argument that AlQ made about "no innocents in the west" ...
We do not want that, right? So therefore let's be pretty clear that civilians are people who are not currently serving in a military role in a govt and leave it at that. Anything else would invite chaos and war crimes.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
Lolz
If you are for peace younshpuld favor ethnic cleansing of a population
This was posted above lol
With this "logic" we should all favor total nuclear war because after that there wont be large world wars for the next 100 years lol
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 26 2023 15:42 utc | 41
William Gruff @ 13
Hopefully we get a “South China Sea” open thread before then. That way we might never get up to a Taiwan open thread at all. I’d prefer Taiwan not getting flattened, given the choice.
USA are using the Philippines to provoke a reaction from China not Taiwan so much, the USA recently has stated it will intervene if the USA interferes with Philippine ship traffic which is a much easier flash point to manage than setting Taiwan on fire, for now anyway. That'll be the hot spot. Philippines, the Armenia of the Pacific.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 15:42 utc | 42
If the Pentagon has boots on the ground actively fighting in-country……
That signals the IDF conscripts are unable or unwilling to carry the fight. Hmmmmmm
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:43 utc | 43
@ 34. AI | Oct 26 2023 15:08 utc | 34
What? Putin calling the US terrorists? I dont believe it.
That is Medvedev's job :)
Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 15:48 utc | 44
Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 15:40 utc | 42
If it wasn't for the suffering of countless innocent humans - i could laugh at the mind boggling insanity of doing a quickie on Iran, while 'deposing' of Putin, before dealing with China.
Seems like in the Empire being insane beyond recovery makes you either go into politics to indulge in slaughter - or you shoot up you neighbours...
Posted by: kspr | Oct 26 2023 15:50 utc | 45
by Revelo | Oct 26 2023 15:37 utc | 41
A weakened Israel with nukes is much more dangerous to everyone than a unified ethnically cleansed Israel with nukes.
So what is worse? A Nazi free state, or a Nazi based state?
Never mind the nukes.
Israel is as big as Crimea and then some more land to it, or even like Sardinia and it is also a sort of a strip. It is very narrow with many natural gaps.
How much damage it can do before it is a smoldering glass field? Israeli nukes are the American ones, anyway, and Americans will probably not trade destruction of New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Boston, Seattle and Washington DC for some Israel thingy faraway.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 26 2023 15:51 utc | 46
@Posted by: Revelo | Oct 26 2023 15:37 utc | 41
"which is why membersship skews towards cranky old men"
This bar would welcome grazing sheep (Adolph Eichmann clones) of any age
who would well represent the majority of the American public.
Of course these same sheep would simply bleat, mimic, the same narrative
they have all been fed. Boring - true - but at the same time
the chorus of bleats would be illuminating.
Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 15:51 utc | 47
He too treads a fine line despite his attempts to subvert the power of the Chabad Lubovitch Jews in Russia.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 26
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Do you happen to have a source handy about that? I can tell Putin has to navigate complex cross-currents and that many conservative types are quite upset with him, but few of such dynamics make it into anglophone coverage. It seems one main beef is that he is beholden to Globalists and so keeps making regrettable compromises. One common example of this is his adoption of widespread surveillance and/or digitalization tech etc. This Chabad business sounds like another, probably related, angle.
Re: Carrier Deploymsnts
I thought the rule of thumb was:
3 month deployed
3 month refit ( home port)
6 month training ( home port)
That’s why we needed 12 carriers , because only 1/4 could be deployed at time
Correct me if I’m wrong
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:53 utc | 49
Here's an interesting interview. One of the last I believe of Gaddafi. He makes some very interesting and poignant assessments about Gaza.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUhZmO6P0NU
Posted by: Trinculo | Oct 26 2023 15:03 utc | 31
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If I remember correctly, Mr. Gaddafi was later killed by a group of Islamists under NATO command (namely forces of the National Transitional Council, i.e. the Muslim Brotherhood). Since then, Libya, one of the most socially progressive societies on the African continent, has degenerated into a lawless pigsty, which, apart from the privately organized plunder of national resources, is economically mainly characterized by slave and organ trafficking, child prostitution and the like.
Hmm...Muslim Brotherhood... sometimes I wonder what else they are up to.
Posted by: Nobody | Oct 26 2023 15:53 utc | 50
by Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:43 utc | 43
I doubt that the USA can fight either. Maybe few elite units might try and do something little, but the rest is useless. It'll be a car-crash derby overall, that is for sure.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 26 2023 15:56 utc | 51
Is this the Taiwan thread??? No, it is not so please stick to the topic and move the Taiwan & South China Sea discussion to the correct one. Thank you!
>>> https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/open-neither-ukraine-nor-palestine-thread-2023-250.html
Posted by: Zet | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 52
Nearly the exact same comment can be made by Israel re Gaza (and in fact has been made by many): that due to their election and tolerance of the rule of Hamas, the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas's attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
False Again. This is a classic example of the crude hasbara sophistry that's been recycled millions of times on the internet.
Here's the logic that purifies this bullshit:
1. Hamas was elected during the period where democratic elections were agreed and allowed by the Zionist occupation.
2. The election was fairly and peacefully concluded, with a cessation of violence by Hamas.
3. Following which the U.S, the Zionist occupation and it's European lackeys, not accepting the result, engineered an attempted coup by Fateh under the direction of Gen. Keith Dayton (The Dayton Mission )
4. Hamas responded to the attempted overthrow of their elected government by Fateh by expunging it from Gaza.
5. The Zionist occupation responded by backing Fateh in the West Bank and driving Hamas underground, while imposing a blockade on Gaza.
From that point on Gaza has been under siege and by necessity a siege government has emerged led by Hamas in order to protect what little stability remained from Fateh elements still in Gaza whose intent it was to conduct terror attacks within Gaza in order to destroy Hamas - and the population that had elected them democratically.
And that's how we got here.
The terrorism is all on the part of the Jewish Xionist occupation and it's Anglo-American midwife
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 53
the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas's attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
... And by the way, there is no such thing as a 'legitimate target of war' for a colonial occupier. The population have inherent right to resistance by whatever means necessary, the occupier is inherently guilty of crimes against humanity by merely engaging in colonial occupation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:00 utc | 54
@Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 54
Further reading can be found here:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/04/gaza200804
Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 16:03 utc | 55
by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:57 utc | 54
To which I can only add that list of Jewish terrorist groups is pretty long.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 26 2023 16:05 utc | 56
Most in this forum favor the quick Russian and Chinese victories but not Israeli victory. There is no logic or good intentions here, just emotional hate towards Jews, Israel, Americans. Wishing for war against Israel will not benefit Palestinians, nor anyone else except Russia and China, nor will it lead to regional or world stability. A weakened Israel with nukes is much more dangerous to everyone than a unified ethnically cleansed Israel with nukes.
Posted by: Revelo | Oct 26 2023 15:37 utc | 46
..................................
Good post, well said
Israel is both a proxy irritant in the ME for Western Imperialism and the main vector of ancient ethno-religious ambition.
Given this context, how do you define 'Israeli victory'?
Two interesting posts on Intel Slava Z Telegram:
🇷🇺🇵🇸❗️The Russian Foreign Ministry confirms that a Hamas delegation is visiting Moscow
🇮🇱🇵🇸❗️The Hamas movement said that approximately 50 hostages died as a result of Israeli shelling
Posted by: kspr | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 58
Arch #54 -
Sorry, it does not matter "how we got here" in the argument whether people committed terrorism. The argument you made before was re whether there are civilians in Israel, which of course there are as I described, and therefore what Hamas did (in part) on Oct 7 was terrorism.
Terrorism is terrorism and can be called out (and will be called out) by people, especially heads of official states who themselves are potentially subject to it (like Putin's Russia) when they see it. It is terror when Hamas kills civilians and it is terror when Israel does the same on a much larger scale.
Now, knowing the background and history is of course critical ... much more important than any single action taken. And in this case, the actions of Hamas resemble those of a man who is being choked to death by someone's boot pressed on their neck. Such a person will flail around and may hurt innocents as well as guilty until the boot is lifted.
But when he hurts innocents, that is called terrorism ...
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 59
Do you happen to have a source handy about that? I can tell Putin has to navigate complex cross-currents and that many conservative types are quite upset with him, but few of such dynamics make it into anglophone coverage. It seems one main beef is that he is beholden to Globalists and so keeps making regrettable compromises. One common example of this is his adoption of widespread surveillance and/or digitalization tech etc. This Chabad business sounds like another, probably related, angle.
Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2023 15:52 utc | 49
I will dig back to what I've read. Here is the meta data from memory:
Part #1:
1. Putin engineered the 'overthrow' of the main Jewish leadership in Russia as the official representative of the Jewish faith in Russia.
2. He then replaced it with an opposing faction, one which it is said was more amenable to state control ...
Part #2
1. Chabad Lubovitch *exists*. It's structure and power over all Jewish councils globally defines it as a central coordinating body organising power and influence throughout much of the global Zionist Jewish community. Chabad-Lubavitch">http://www.chabad-mafia.com/">Chabad-Lubavitch is a criminal organization, an organized crime mafia
The inference I have made across decades of articles read in passing is that the Chabad, linked with Mossad, is part of a massive Zionist Jewish criminal influence network which can only but extend to political activities in the USA, Europe, Russia and the Ukraine.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 60
Arch - Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 61
Sorry, it does not matter "how we got here" in the argument whether people committed terrorism.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:08 utc | 60
Sorry, there are no 'isreali' civilians therefore there is no such thing as a terrorist act committed by Hamas.
All actions taken by Hamas are against white settler colonizers engaged in active colonization.
Full stop.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:13 utc | 62
UN, Tenth Emergency Special Session, 26 Oct LIVE stream
Illegal Israeli actions in occupied East Jerusalem and the rest of the Occupied Palestinian TerritoryLetter dated 23 October 2023 from the President of the General Assembly to the Member States (EN) acknowledging requests by JO, MR (OIC 2023 chair), NI, RU, SY, ID, KH, LO, VN, LA, BG, TL, MV, MY, BNThe tenth Emergency Special Session of the General Assembly was convened for the first time in April 1997, following a request from the Permanent Representative of Qatar.
The session followed a series of Security Council and General Assembly meetings regarding the Israeli decision to build Har Homa, a 6,500 unit housing project, in the Jabal Abu Ghneim area of East Jerusalem.The tenth Emergency Special Session was last resumed on 13 June 2018 to consider a draft resolution entitled "Protection of the Palestinian civilian population", at the request of Member States
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 63
@18 psycho
This is what republicans have done to hoodwink patriots/MAGA-types into submission:
Feign "no votes" on Ukraine when they damn well knew the funding would go through anyway, regardless of how much theater and posturing people like M. Gaetz put up in BS spiels about "funding Ukraine's border and not ours!"
The uniparty plays badminton perfectly, volleying back and forth while the stupid plebs rootfor their stupid things that will never get done. But the birdie will fall eventually. We know this.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 64
Arch - Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 62
Quite right, this applies to the Zionist European colonizers w.r.t the Palestinians.
However, since there are no 'isreali' civilians therefore there is no such thing as a terrorist act committed by Hamas w.r.t the colonizers.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 65
UN, Tenth Emergency Special Session, 26 Oct LIVE stream
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 26 2023 16:14 utc | 64
Is the outcome of this going to get vetoed down the toilet again like all the others?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:16 utc | 66
Arch - Inherent right to resistance does not include right to kill or harm civilians.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 62
Right of existence and right of self defense, granted to Israel does not include the right to kill civilians by bombing and sieging Gaza as well.
Where Israel going to nuke somebody or somewhere will you stand by his side?
Posted by: Mario | Oct 26 2023 16:18 utc | 67
The distinction between civilian and military largely went the way of the Dodo with aerial bombardment of cities.
Most arguments about terrorism are propaganda talking points.
My bet is that we will see a Philippines thread before we see a Taiwan thread.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:32 utc | 36
I think the tool they call bong bong was installed for just this purpose.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 16:20 utc | 69
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:53 utc | 50
USS Ford has been out since May 2 2023 on scheduled deployment. It was scheduled to be relieved by the USS Eisenhower which should arrive in the Med Sea soon. Ford was on a standard 6 month deployment which is now extended. For the last decade or so. Carrier deployments have lasted 10 months or more.
Far as I know the US has only 10 super carriers. These long deployments are stretching the US carrier force to the limits. It is really hard on the crew and their families.
As old as the US carrier fleet is getting. When they go in for a retrofit. It lasts for a Year and a half. Because those old leaky, and over used boats need a complete rebuild.
The USS Eisenhower completed such a rebuild last December.
Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 16:22 utc | 70
If the Pentagon has boots on the ground actively fighting in-country……
That signals the IDF conscripts...
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:43 utc | 43
I sure hope this isn't true. Hope....
IT MEANS the US is at war. Actively and directly. This could easily be a huge constitutional crisis, at the very least. Those who believe in constitutional order and rule of law will see it as perhaps their last stand. It will mean as well, direct and widespread imposed censorship, financial chaos, oil supply chaos and who knows what else, maybe internet and phone shutdowns.
Will the people of the US swallow it? It doesn't seem to me the ROW can or will tolerate this.
It would be so much simpler if Russia would drop a big one over DC.
Posted by: oracle | Oct 26 2023 16:23 utc | 71
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:16 utc | 66
Psssht, don't ruin the tension of anticipation!
Yesterday's episode was done quite well. I was especially disgusted when the Israeli guy held up the collage of alleged hostages - after bombing gaza to the stone age for two weeks. Great performance though, he didn't even smirk. Oscar worthy.
Posted by: kspr | Oct 26 2023 16:24 utc | 72
Mario - If you read back in the thread, you see that all of us talking are on the side of the Palestinian resistance. The initial question was raised because Putin called the original Hamas actions on Oct 7 in part terrorism and some on the thread disagree with that characterization. I made the point that actions against civilians by any side are inherently terroristic and can be called as such, for what it's worth, which, per Scorpion #68 is not very much (I agree that it's mostly propaganda value).
But it is important to squarely stand on the side of civilians and their inherent right to security and peace, whether Israeli or Palestinian. The whole point is that we want a secure, peaceful and free existence for all the people of historic Palestine, right?
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 16:26 utc | 73
Barflies. Just for fun Do a internet search (I dont use the "G" word) on the terms USS Eisenhower and Love Boat. :)
Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 16:26 utc | 74
IDF bombardment of Gaza has escalated now over 7000 civilians murdered by airstrikes, over 35 UN Relief workers giving out food, water and medicine have been targeted and murdered also.
Apparently the IDF wants to turn Gaza into Dresden......interesting........when do the war crimes trials begin.....?
The IDF is now engaging in brutal blood lust......how else do you explain the Hellfire missile attack on the American Baptist Hospital grounds, the St Porphyrius Orthodox Greek Cathedral, or the UN Relief Agency HQ in which hundreds of innocent civilians, mostly women and children, have been atomized by Israeli glide bombs, made by the King of the MIC - Boeing........
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 26 2023 16:27 utc | 75
Has anyone seen the claim that US special forces took casualties in Gaza reported anywhere but the aforementioned Tucker interview? I haven’t seen any Arab or resistance media discuss it
Posted by: Gengar | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 76
Great quote from the great Arundhati Roy, young and cute here, and kudos Juan Sinmiedo for finding it:
I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
Winston Churchill - To the Peel Commission on a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, 1937.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 77
Arch,
You are off base - regarding occupation and rules of war; time for you to hit the books my friend;
a good place to start is chapter 6 of USFM 27-10 Rules of Landwarfare (1956 edition) the most recent edition is errrr not neutral . The 1956 edition is a good summary of the topic.
https://www.moore.army.mil/infantry/DoctrineSupplement/ATP3-21.8/PDFs/fm27_10.pdf
And a primer on the entire subject of war comes of crimes of war written at the end of the Vietnam War by the Jewish American Michael Walzer Just and Unjust Wars ( ignore his ethno centric version of the 1967 War 😳)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_and_Unjust_Wars
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 78
Apparently the IDF wants to turn Gaza into Dresden......interesting........when do the war crimes trials begin.....?
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 26 2023 16:27 utc | 75
<< robotic_voice >>
Israel has a right to defend itself.
<< / robotic voice >>
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:30 utc | 79
For the record: Russian Chief Rabbi Berel Lazar said on Wednesday that Israelis and Palestinians could follow the example of Russia, where all religions live in peace. He stressed that people of different faiths live as friends in the country. alongside Russian President Vladimir Putin, Lazar noted that “there is peace between Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists - all religions and all peoples” in the country. He insisted that such a model is an example for the whole world.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:33 utc | 80
LightYearsFromHome @42
Technically, the conflict will be between China and the Philippines, but there is zero chance of the Chinese landing troops in the Philippines. It will be strictly naval combat, and maybe some demolition of airfields in the Philippines using stand-off weapons. Even with the Chinese pulling their punches, the Philippine navy will be “neutralized” in the first couple hours of any war. To continue the conflict, the US will need to commit its naval assets to the fight. This will go surprisingly badly for the US. The Empire will escalate (because that’s all it knows how to do) until much of the Seventh Fleet is inoperable/sunk.
The problem for the Empire is that the Philippines is just too weak of a proxy, and there is no way to lure the Chinese into putting boots on the ground there. The fight will be strictly military vs military, with no opportunities for the Empire to engage in its favorite pass time of “collateral damage” and mass civilian casualties.
With China’s current level of development, and without the option of extending the pain and destruction to civilians, the Empire will lose, and lose big time. This will force the US to pull back for years (decades) in the best case for the Empire in order to rebuild its force projection capabilities. This will spare Taiwan and give the Chinese mainlanders plenty of time to charm the island folk back into the national fold.
Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 81
"Now, detailed statistics on the casualties released by the Israeli daily Haaretz paint a starkly different picture. As of 23 October, the news outlet has released information on 683 Israelis killed during the Hamas-led offensive, including their names and locations of their deaths on 7 October.
Of these, 331 casualties – or 48.4 percent - have been confirmed to be soldiers and police officers, many of them female. Another 13 are described as rescue service members, and the remaining 339 are ostensibly considered to be civilians.
While this list is not comprehensive and only accounts for roughly half of Israel’s stated death toll, almost half of those killed in the melee are clearly identified as Israeli combatants.
There are also so far no recorded deaths of children under the age of three...."
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october
Posted by: pq | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 82
You are off base - regarding occupation and rules of war; time for you to hit the books my friend;
Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 16:29 utc | 78
I need hit none of those books.
None of those rules are laws, just dry theories produced in the service of an empire bent on violating the very laws it makes up for others.
If it requires a simple man fighting for his life to peruse endless tomes like USFM 27-10 Rules of Landwarfare (1956 edition) lest he live in fear that the very act of defending his life might violate the white man's 'laws', then these laws are not laws, but acts of sophistry.
When survival of a people is on the line the basic moral principles of self defence within ones means is sufficient. Anything further is of no value.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 83
I don't care what anyone says, although I will admit it makes for good internet discussion. I am more interested in what people do.
Putin can call Palestinians animals and filth if he manages to save lives, as far as I am concerned.
If one likes talk, listen to the Americans. They talk endlessly.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2023 16:37 utc | 84
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:11 utc | 61
.........................
Thank you.
Most discussion of multipolarism assumes discrete power distribution held by traditional nation states and their alliances, whereas in fact there are many, often more influential, para-intra- and-inter-national networks in the mix with no end of sometimes aligned sometimes antagonistic cross currents.
Further, technology has collapsed geographical separation making a one-world system both already extant (if horribly messy and conflicted) and urgently necessary to resolve in a truly civilized fashion.
If the twentieth century taught anything it is that Utopian Ideologies don't deliver on their promises, no matter how sincerely intended. Yet without some sort of shared value culture, unending conflict between factions, nation-based or otherwise, is inevitable. Probably better to have different civilizational poles, each entire unto itself with clear jurisdictional boundaries.
But again technology, along with commerce, dissolves such boundaries so....
No easy answers.
"I sure hope this isn't true. Hope....
IT MEANS the US is at war."
Too late for hope. US sending 4 aircraft carriers and 80+ planeloads of weapons and soldiers to the region.
That is no "deterrent" move. Thats is preparation for war.
Most likely Lebanon and Syria first. Then Iran.
Time to stock up on stuff cause prices awill skyrocket and supply will plummet.
Time to move now
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 26 2023 16:43 utc | 87
For some strange reason, the word 'terrorism' in America is synonymous to supporting military aid in the billions.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:44 utc | 88
Nearly the exact same comment can be made by Israel re Gaza (and in fact has been made by many): that due to their election and tolerance of the rule of Hamas, the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas's attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Same argument that AlQ made about "no innocents in the west" ...
We do not want that, right? So therefore let's be pretty clear that civilians are people who are not currently serving in a military role in a govt and leave it at that. Anything else would invite chaos and war crimes.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 40
Folks who post this POV, bury the FACT THAT GAZA AND THE WEST BANK ARE OCCUPIED BY ISRAEL.
Peoples under occupation have the right to fight and to destroy the occupying force, and those who support it.
This means... as Erdogan said yesterday... that HAMAS is.... as legitimate authority of GAZA...
fighting for freedom... and is entitled to kill whomever, wherever, and destoy whatever to drive the occupiers out...
Which means...
The fastest way to end this affair is for one or more of the great powers to ground the IAF and immobilize the Israeli Army, and Navy,
Then...
Force Israel to retreat to within the UNGA 181 boundaries.
Daring NATO to intervene...
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 89
Too late for hope. US sending 4 aircraft carriers and 80+ planeloads of weapons and soldiers to the region.
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 26 2023 16:43 utc | 87
I take it this is open admission that U-crane is f**ked then?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 90
Col. Macgregor said on Youtube that a small US and Israeli reconnaissance unit entered Gaza and was given a bloody nose (ie. there apparently were losses). Shortly thereafter, the video was taken down and the account terminated.
Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 26 2023 16:47 utc | 91
Posted by: Maracatu | Oct 26 2023 16:47 utc | 91
Alastair Crooke, whom I have tremendous respect for, repeated the same essential claim on today's Judge Napoletano.
The weights are adding up on this axon ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:49 utc | 92
Posted by: pq | Oct 26 2023 16:35 utc | 82
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I wonder how many of those are dual citizens from India. My understanding is that about 6,000 young Indians have joined the IOF over the last few years with Modi's blessing.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 16:50 utc | 93
The fastest way to end this affair is for one or more of the great powers to ground the IAF and immobilize the Israeli Army, and Navy,
Then...
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 26 2023 16:46 utc | 89
That sounds like R2P ... Humanitarian Intervention?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 16:52 utc | 94
from intel slava...
"The Hamas movement said that approximately 50 hostages died as a result of Israeli shelling."
i can't remember the name someone gave for israel murdering their own.. i think it is called the hannibal doctrine..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
hannibal directive...... that was apparently used on the supernova rave in response to the ''surprise'' hamas attack..
Posted by: james | Oct 26 2023 16:58 utc | 95
As far as I understood, Putin mentioned 'international terrorism'. This label was not in reference to Hamas or any other militant group fighting for sovereignty in Palestine. The Russian language is highly unique in this regard where incorrect interpretation of semantics lead to wrong conclusion by those less familiar with the language. In fact, his use of the words carefully crafted were a hint to the West.
Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:08 utc | 26
That was my initial take *until* the very end when he talked about punishing the innocent victims by cutting water & electricity being wrong. Hamas is not cutting electricity or water, Israel is.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 26 2023 16:59 utc | 96
Dr. George: "Peoples under occupation have the right to fight and to destroy the occupying force, and those who support it."
The first part, no question ... the "those who support it" part can get people to commit acts that are both immoral and can be called terrorism, for what that label is worth.
As an exaggerated example, a couple of nuclear bombs going off in Israel would likely end the occupation; but I'm sure you'd agree this would be an incredibly immoral act of genocidal terror.
So, no, not every act of resistance is legal, moral, or acceptable by even people under occupation and slavery, though much is understandable and explainable, which is a whole other thing.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 97
@ AI | Oct 26 2023 16:33 utc | 80
but that would be an end to zionism too... no homeland for the jews? i can't see the zionists going along with it.. the world under uk leadership and etc - helped create this and the usa continues in the same tradition... their is no easy way out, short to dismantling the whole concept of zionism as i understand it..
Posted by: james | Oct 26 2023 17:01 utc | 98
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 97
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Stop. You're trying to rationalize rules for slavers, racists, and tyrants. It's a worse look than your other comments today.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 26 2023 17:03 utc | 99
So, no, not every act of resistance is legal, moral, or acceptable by even people under occupation and slavery, though much is understandable and explainable, which is a whole other thing.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 17:00 utc | 97
Every act that is indeed resistance is acceptable.
Every act that is not resistance is unacceptable.
When you dehumanise the human animal and bring that animal to within an inch of it's life the concepts of legality and morality are superseded by the ultimate Law and the Ultimate Morality:
The Law of Survival.
Under these conditions, regarding the organism that has been forced to resist in order not to perish, the artificial salad of Legalistic interpretations of Morality and Acceptability are suspended.
This is why colonialism must not be permitted to begin with - for it brings humankind to the unavoidable and ultimate precipice of morality and law!
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 17:10 utc | 100
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