How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?

Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 3

Posted by: Kalmyk_George | Oct 26 2023 13:58 utc | 3
Gaza has been sieged well before Oct, 7.
Possibly, the siege itself caused, at least partially, the October 7 attack.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 26 2023 14:01 utc | 5

Posted by: Kalmyk_George | Oct 26 2023 13:58 utc | 3
Opposition to the blockade is on mostly humanitarian grounds. It’s a question of values, not instrumental rationality.

Posted by: SpatialFix | Oct 26 2023 14:03 utc | 7

Alastair Crooke was just now saying on Judge Napolitano that 80 heavy lift aircraft from the US flew into the Middle East yesterday carrying unknown weaponry and/or troops. And two more aircraft carriers have left the US for destinations unknown. That looks like a big escalation. Anything from our States-side barflies?
(repeated from previous thread, as new thread opening).

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 26 2023 14:04 utc | 9

I made a dark humor joke about that too, Marielle. In time it may be half a dozen Western Projects in freefall for b to juggle here. Bad times, bad times. 😉
Different topic, I just wanted to give praise to some people I see in Gaza. Those blessed who try to soothe and distract the children from the continuous horrors and terrors around them impress me. That’s an unbearable contradiction that would wear me down fast. Not even aid can reliably reach them, yet they show the beauty of humanity in extremes.
Humbling.

Posted by: titmouse | Oct 26 2023 14:05 utc | 11

How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
Not before five years at least is my guess.

Posted by: Naive | Oct 26 2023 14:06 utc | 13

Douglas Macgregor told Tucker Carlson on 23 Oct that “within the last 24 hours or so” US special forces and Israeli special forced entered Gaza to reconnoitre. They “were shot to pieces and took heavy losses”.
https://twitter.com/eha_news/status/1717041873523560736
Did Palestinian or other sources report the fight?

Posted by: TN | Oct 26 2023 14:09 utc | 15

Marielle @2
Hopefully we get a “South China Sea” open thread before then. That way we might never get up to a Taiwan open thread at all. I’d prefer Taiwan not getting flattened, given the choice.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 26 2023 14:09 utc | 17

How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
As soon as the US has built enough chip factories on its own soil or that of its vassals. But this topic should be moved to the general open thread…

Posted by: Zet | Oct 26 2023 14:13 utc | 19

Did Palestinian or other sources report the fight?
Posted by: TN | Oct 26 2023 14:09 utc | 12
It was mentioned as a fact by Alastair Crooke just now. One tank and a group of Israeli and another of American special forces. I am not surprised it’s being passed ove by the media.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 26 2023 14:16 utc | 21

How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2

China’s foreign minister Wang Yi is visiting the US tomorrow. One of his missions is probably to delay the start of Taiwan open threads as much as possible.

Posted by: TN | Oct 26 2023 14:20 utc | 23

Examine the evidence carefully before accepting any Israeli claims about the Hamas raid on Israel..Forty beheaded babies? No evidence, obviously made up..Hamas butchery? Woman from Kibbutz says Hamas killed no one, IDF killed all hostages and most of kibbutzim by firing randomly at everyone…etc…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 26 2023 14:20 utc | 25

Very disappointed with Putin’s characterization of Hamas’s actions on 7 October as terrorism in his talk with Russia’s religious leaders yesterday which will eventually be posted at my substack. Perhaps a fair reading also renders the Zionist’s response as terrorism too:

A new round of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has already claimed thousands of lives, thousands of them.
Russia has experienced and knows what international terrorism is. We know what it is. We will always feel the bitterness of the irreparable losses suffered by our country during the years of fighting international terrorism.
I sincerely want to express my condolences to the families of Israelis and citizens of other countries whose loved ones were killed and injured in the attack on October 7 this year.
But it is also clear to us that innocent people should not be held accountable for crimes committed by others. The fight against terrorism cannot be conducted according to the notorious principle of collective responsibility, when the elderly, women, children, entire families are also killed, and hundreds of thousands of people are left without shelter, food, water, electricity and medical care. This is a real humanitarian disaster.

I’d ask Putin why he refrained from the same sort of criticism of the Zionists when they wantonly assault and kill Palestinians as is their habit over the past 75+ years, the recent spate of West Bank Terrorism by Zionist “settlers” is well known to those closely watching events–where’s Russia’s similar condemnation?!?! Sure, Putin follows that with an elaboration of Russia’s policy–the Two-State Solution–but then he goes on to say that there’s a geopolitical policy goal behind all these doings, which include Ukraine. Again, barflies will need to closely read everything Putin says. And I’m going to cutoff my comments now as I’m still in the process of analyzing what was said.
Also important is Lavrov’s statement today in Minsk at the High-Level International Conference “Eurasian Security: Reality and Prospects in a Transforming World,” which will also be translated and posted to my substack sometime today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2023 14:30 utc | 27

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2023 14:30 utc | 20
I am baffled.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 26 2023 14:36 utc | 29

@ Karlofi
I’d say Putin doesn’t pick a fight until he’s ready to win it.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Oct 26 2023 14:43 utc | 31

Not before five years at least is my guess.
Posted by: Naive | Oct 26 2023 14:06 utc | 11
My estimate would be 10 years (on historical data)
But it’s been a while (2 years) that I have the feeling Xi wants to do it and fears not being alive and in charge by then…

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 26 2023 14:45 utc | 33

ZH has a posting up with the title
House Approves Resolution Backing Israel In New Speaker’s First Move
the quote

The House on Wednesday approved a resolution that expressed strong support for Israel, the first bill brought to the floor after Rep. Mike Johnson (R-LA) was elected as the chamber’s new speaker.
The resolution passed in a vote of 412-10 and says that the US “stands” with Israel in the wake of the October 7 Hamas attack and as Israel is relentlessly bombing Gaza. The resolution reaffirmed the US commitment to providing military aid to Israel and said Congress will work to pass more.
….
Johnson won the speakership hours before the vote and pledged his first action would be in support of Israel. “Our nation’s greatest ally in the Middle East is under attack. The first bill that I’m gonna bring to this floor in just a little while will be in support of our dear friend Israel,” he said.

I love my country but am ashamed of my country’s government.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 26 2023 14:45 utc | 35

Very disappointed with Putin’s characterization of Hamas’s actions on 7 October as terrorism in his talk with Russia’s religious leaders yesterday which will eventually be posted at my substack. Perhaps a fair reading also renders the Zionist’s response as terrorism too:
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2023 14:30 utc | 20
The reality is that Putin, along with the Russian deep state has to be careful of a Jewish Zionist 5th column that could bring Russia crashing down at any time, as it can with the US and Britain.
He too treads a fine line despite his attempts to subvert the power of the Chabad Lubovitch Jews in Russia.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 37

Very disappointed with Putin’s characterization of Hamas’s actions on 7 October as terrorism in his talk with Russia’s religious leaders yesterday which will eventually be posted at my substack. Perhaps a fair reading also renders the Zionist’s response as terrorism too:
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2023 14:30 utc | 20
The reality is that Putin, along with the Russian deep state has to be careful of a Jewish Zionist 5th column that could bring Russia crashing down at any time, as it can with the US and Britain.
He too treads a fine line despite his attempts to subvert the power of the Chabad Lubovitch Jews in Russia.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 39

China is waiting for the development of 01/2024 Taiwan General Election. It is still fluid with multiple possible outcomes. So better hold your horse yet. China stated many times that it will not invade Taiwan, China wants peaceful unification. It is US being the war-monger. Any surprise?
The most likely new Open Thread here may be the South China Sea situation. Biden yesterday warned China not to attack Philippines, which is a provoking delusion. China never said it will attack Philippine. But like an old dog which will never quit eating its own shits, Biden just bloviated statements like that so he doesn’t look weak. So to fulfill his obligations to the neocons, Biden may start something in SCS, preferably again using a proxy: Philippine. May be before November, 2024 election.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 41

The good Jews are welcome to stay under a Palestinian government.
Posted by: Cbftyping | Oct 26 2023 14:06 utc | 10
The Good Jews:
1. The Yemenite Children Affair refers to the disappearance of mainly Yemenite Jewish babies and toddlers of immigrants to the newly founded state of Israel from 1948 to 1954.
2. Operation Solomon (Hebrew: מבצע שלמה, Mivtza Shlomo) was a covert Israeli military operation from May 24 to 25, 1991, to airlift Ethiopian Jews to Israel

The people we’re dealing with will literally transport entire populations over land and sea to sculpt the satanic inversion of reality they desire.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 14:54 utc | 43

Here’s an interesting interview. One of the last I believe of Gaddafi. He makes some very interesting and poignant assessments about Gaza. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUhZmO6P0NU . On another point, has anyone connected Biden’s speech with those of his predecessors. Here’s a few that I think he’s been listening to, or at least his speech writers have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Tf2xGb5Nsg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANi1ZRl8P9g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N1_JGG4XX8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFyhAcp2DG4 and so on and so on. I think they have a jukebox at the white house and they love to play their favorites. What a crock… our world is doomed. Unless… I sigh because from where I sit there is no sense in the world. The global West is beyond knowing the truth or indeed what to do with it. This whole situation is fabricated and distorted. The voices here have more semblance than others and I pray, as an atheist, that reason will prevail. I know, as a realist, that it will not. It has been determined by the “neocon crazies” and our choices, are but a veil. Good luck people.

Posted by: Trinculo | Oct 26 2023 15:03 utc | 45

Posted by: john brewster | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 28
US hostages rescue??? Good enough excuse for you? Don’t forget, US just sent its best General on Fallujah destruction to Israel, he has to put on some show of force to justify his paycheck, right/

Posted by: KiaySupporter | Oct 26 2023 15:04 utc | 47

john brewster@28
According to Nick Turse US forces are also up to their ears in the fight against hizbullah in Lebanon.
Along with the Crooke news, relayed by laguerre, it is an indication of the way in which the US has stopped claiming that it is capable of arbitrating between the parties. It stopped pretending in the 1990s when Bush’s relatively sophisticated policy was replaced by Clinton’s ‘Foreign Affairs as Fund Raising’ policies.
It has long been clear that the Fascists in Israel are dead set on suicide through armageddon but we had to wait til Biden for this ‘nothing to lose’ attitude to become the USA’s aim too.
Shouldn’t somebody tell the American people?
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/24/israel-lebanon-us-military-hezbollah/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter

Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2023 15:05 utc | 49

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 26 2023 14:30 utc | 20
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
As far as I understood, Putin mentioned ‘international terrorism’. This label was not in reference to Hamas or any other militant group fighting for sovereignty in Palestine. The Russian language is highly unique in this regard where incorrect interpretation of semantics lead to wrong conclusion by those less familiar with the language. In fact, his use of the words carefully crafted were a hint to the West.

Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:08 utc | 51

Posted by: bevin | Oct 26 2023 15:05 utc | 33
Thanks for the link to Nick Turse. Nuggets of facts like that are why I wade through 300+ post threads. The hypocrisy of criticizing Iran while we are sending billions to Lebanon is par for the course these days.
Meanwhile, some Army Reserve weapons trainer (who said he had been hearing voices and had been hospitalized for an undisclosed mental health problem) shoots up a small town in Maine (20 dead, 60 wounded). I guess the Army is so strapped for bodies that they will leave ticking time bombs like this lying around. This country is an open air looney bin from the WH to rural Maine, and all points in between.

Posted by: john brewster | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 53

Re Putin’s comment on terrorism on Oct 7, it must be admitted that some of the actions taken by the attackers were in fact anti-civilian and therefore terroristic in nature. That such actions are quite expected from an enslaved and occupied and terrorized and traumatized people would be the second half of the statement that would be nice to hear.
Speaking of second halfs, I was impressed by Guterres’s followup statement after he was criticized … did not walk it back at all:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/un-chief-rejects-israel-accusations-he-justified-hamas-attacks/ar-AA1iQ4rq

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 55

How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc |

Never. The claptrap about Taiwan being on the verge of declaring independence is just a bunch of nonsense.
The Taiwanese aren’t stupid. They can see what’s happening in Ukraine, and are fully aware of how they suffered during WWII: always at the hands of the US military and their Allies, in bombing raids and various post-war massacres (228, The White Terror, martial law until the late 80s, etc).
I advise you to always remember that 90% of English online media (**ESPECIALLY** the “free” corporate media) which claims to explain foreign relations to English-speaking audiences are native Western intel agency psyops, highly controlled from the top-down to deceive “ordinary people” into allowing the “Forever Wars” (a classic of sci-fi and recommended reading) to continue without objection.
The Taiwanese are generally far more politically astute than the US recognizes. Do you remember when Blinken was publicly scolded in..what was it…Alaska, a few years ago, by his Chinese “partner”?
That could just as easily have been a Taiwanese lecture, we’re the Taiwanese not entirely dependent upon the “Special Status” of “non-independent territory of Chinathat remains essentially independent.”
The Taiwanese know that this status is “unsustainable,” over the long term. The bourgeoisie and political elite know that for certain, but the political detritus of the rabble are mercilessly assaulted by US propaganda through many windows.
Those people make a lot of noise online, but they are mostly ignorant laborers, retail staff, and shopkeepers who have poor education and virtually no political power beyond the occasional vote—which, from the looks of the last 30 years, is generally fixed in advance via “gentlemen’s agreement” ( and yes, I have personal Taiwanese cabinet-level experience to inform me on that one).

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 26 2023 15:19 utc | 57

A joint statement adopted by the foreign ministers of Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates, Oman, Qatar and Saudi Arabia calls on the UN Security Council “to commit the parties to an immediate and durable ceasefire.

Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:19 utc | 59

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 36
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
Do you have a link to the source in the Russian language?

Posted by: AI | Oct 26 2023 15:21 utc | 61

#39 – I do not … I was going off Karlof’s link @ #20 …
But the argument is pretty sound: a head of an official state must decry and denounce “terrorism” generally. Otherwise, when the shoe is on the other foot, you just look too hypocritical. Providing background and explanation would be very useful always …

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:25 utc | 63

Re Putin’s comment on terrorism on Oct 7, it must be admitted that some of the actions taken by the attackers were in fact anti-civilian and therefore terroristic in nature.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 36
Utterly false.
The prevalence of this mantra following or concluding the commentary of every western leader indicates how deeply they’ve been compromised by the Anglo-Zionist psychological warfare:
1. There are no civilians in the settlements around Gaza. None. Zero.
2. ALL the settlements that were attacked are artifacts of the European settler colonization process. Every single one.
3. ALL non-uniformed personnel present in the settlements are engaged in the active process of settler colonialism. This includes those attending the dance party.
In actuality:
– None of the actions taken by Hamas were anti-civilian in nature since no such thing as a “civilian” exists in the settler colony
– Since there is no civilian population, there can be no terrorism since terrorism is aimed at a civilian population. Tactics aimed at the settler colonial occupiers of Palestine are inherently directed against people engaged in a military occupation.

In short:

No civilians. Therefore no terrorism.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:29 utc | 65

How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
Well, you’re definitely asking the right questions. The pyromaniacs of US imperialism seem disappointed with the fires they’ve started around the world so far. They feel compelled to burn the whole house down to regain their status.
Nonetheless, I have this sense, maybe wishful thinking, that the people of Taiwan will shock imperialism with their wisdom and ally with China. Nonetheless, it would probably then be a Japan or South Korea thread.
There is no democracy in the west, both parties and Kennedy will keep pushing to WW3 if only by virtue of their desperate class position and the doomed nature of their tottering empire.
A civil war across the west is the only cure to the many imperialist wars across the world. We need a parallel anti imperialist power in the west yesterday. The good people of Russia and Palestine need it too.
Talk to your family, neighbors, co workers, anyone that opposes the war on Russia and the slaughter of innocents in Palestine. There are millions in the west that feel this way, regardless of what the trolls say.
Start meeting, organizing and expanding. There will soon be a competition to discover the real revolutionaries in the west. This message is for the young, strong and brave. Those who haven’t grown so tired they fear the morrow. For the rest, you can provide experience, perspective and moral support.
For the rest, just stay out of the way.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 15:30 utc | 67

If brazen cruelty in war justifies brazen cruelty, then Israel and Palestine are both now justified in brazen cruelty. Just let them kill each other and see who wins.
Posted by: Kalmyk_George | Oct 26 2023 13:58 utc | 3
Such trolls get only one word from me: zionazi. That’s you, Georgie. We see you.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 15:32 utc | 69

How soon before we start getting Taiwan open threads?
Posted by: Marielle | Oct 26 2023 13:45 utc | 2
Nonetheless, I have this sense, maybe wishful thinking, that the people of Taiwan will shock imperialism with their wisdom and ally with China. Nonetheless, it would probably then be a Japan or South Korea thread.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 26 2023 15:30 utc | 42
My bet is that we will see a Philippines thread before we see a Taiwan thread.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:32 utc | 71

Meanwhile, some Army Reserve weapons trainer (who said he had been hearing voices and had been hospitalized for an undisclosed mental health problem) shoots up a small town in Maine (20 dead, 60 wounded).
Posted by: john brewster | Oct 26 2023 15:16 utc | 35
With that body count he could teach Hamas a thing or two …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 15:35 utc | 73

@ 8 Posted by: laguerre
And two more aircraft carriers have left the US for destinations unknown. That looks like a big escalation. Anything from our States-side barflies?
As Far as I know the only Super Carriers deployed recently are:
The USS Carl Vinson in route to the Indo – China area. Most likely the Gulf of Oman to keep an eye on Iran.
And
The 45 year old USS Eisenhower is on a scheduled deployment in route to the Mediterranean Sea to relieve the USS Ford. But the Ford’s Deployment was just extended because of the dog fight in the middle east. The crew of the USS Ford who have been deployed 6 months on a European cruise celebrated their extended deployment with a steak and lobster dinner.
Only other Carrier out and about is the USS Ronald Reagan. It was in port port in Buson South Korea last I saw keeping an eye on North Korea.
As far as cargo flights. .Planes have been flying arms into Israel bringing bombs since this whole shit show started. Gotta keep killing those civilians in Palestine. The body count is nearing 7000. Go Team!
Nothing new. Just bluff, bluster, and death from the US.

Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 15:35 utc | 75

The US is sending troops to Israel.
These are “tripwire troops”.
When Hezbollah hits an American in Israel
the US warmongers will point to Iran as it supports Hezbollah.

Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 15:40 utc | 77

Arch Bungle #41 – We disagree.
Nearly the exact same comment can be made by Israel re Gaza (and in fact has been made by many): that due to their election and tolerance of the rule of Hamas, the population of Gaza have indicated they are partisans in Hamas’s attacks and are therefore legitimate targets for acts of war.
Same argument that AlQ made about “no innocents in the west” …
We do not want that, right? So therefore let’s be pretty clear that civilians are people who are not currently serving in a military role in a govt and leave it at that. Anything else would invite chaos and war crimes.

Posted by: Caliman | Oct 26 2023 15:41 utc | 79

Lolz
If you are for peace younshpuld favor ethnic cleansing of a population
This was posted above lol
With this “logic” we should all favor total nuclear war because after that there wont be large world wars for the next 100 years lol

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 26 2023 15:42 utc | 81

William Gruff @ 13

Hopefully we get a “South China Sea” open thread before then. That way we might never get up to a Taiwan open thread at all. I’d prefer Taiwan not getting flattened, given the choice.

USA are using the Philippines to provoke a reaction from China not Taiwan so much, the USA recently has stated it will intervene if the USA interferes with Philippine ship traffic which is a much easier flash point to manage than setting Taiwan on fire, for now anyway. That’ll be the hot spot. Philippines, the Armenia of the Pacific.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 26 2023 15:42 utc | 83

If the Pentagon has boots on the ground actively fighting in-country……
That signals the IDF conscripts are unable or unwilling to carry the fight. Hmmmmmm

Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:43 utc | 85

@ 34. AI | Oct 26 2023 15:08 utc | 34
What? Putin calling the US terrorists? I dont believe it.
That is Medvedev’s job 🙂

Posted by: Golddigger | Oct 26 2023 15:48 utc | 87

Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 15:40 utc | 42
If it wasn’t for the suffering of countless innocent humans – i could laugh at the mind boggling insanity of doing a quickie on Iran, while ‘deposing’ of Putin, before dealing with China.
Seems like in the Empire being insane beyond recovery makes you either go into politics to indulge in slaughter – or you shoot up you neighbours…

Posted by: kspr | Oct 26 2023 15:50 utc | 89

by Revelo | Oct 26 2023 15:37 utc | 41
A weakened Israel with nukes is much more dangerous to everyone than a unified ethnically cleansed Israel with nukes.
So what is worse? A Nazi free state, or a Nazi based state?
Never mind the nukes.
Israel is as big as Crimea and then some more land to it, or even like Sardinia and it is also a sort of a strip. It is very narrow with many natural gaps.
How much damage it can do before it is a smoldering glass field? Israeli nukes are the American ones, anyway, and Americans will probably not trade destruction of New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Houston, Boston, Seattle and Washington DC for some Israel thingy faraway.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 26 2023 15:51 utc | 91

@Posted by: Revelo | Oct 26 2023 15:37 utc | 41
“which is why membersship skews towards cranky old men”
This bar would welcome grazing sheep (Adolph Eichmann clones) of any age
who would well represent the majority of the American public.
Of course these same sheep would simply bleat, mimic, the same narrative
they have all been fed. Boring – true – but at the same time
the chorus of bleats would be illuminating.

Posted by: librul | Oct 26 2023 15:51 utc | 93

He too treads a fine line despite his attempts to subvert the power of the Chabad Lubovitch Jews in Russia.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 26 2023 14:50 utc | 26
………………………..
Do you happen to have a source handy about that? I can tell Putin has to navigate complex cross-currents and that many conservative types are quite upset with him, but few of such dynamics make it into anglophone coverage. It seems one main beef is that he is beholden to Globalists and so keeps making regrettable compromises. One common example of this is his adoption of widespread surveillance and/or digitalization tech etc. This Chabad business sounds like another, probably related, angle.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 26 2023 15:52 utc | 95

Re: Carrier Deploymsnts
I thought the rule of thumb was:
3 month deployed
3 month refit ( home port)
6 month training ( home port)
That’s why we needed 12 carriers , because only 1/4 could be deployed at time
Correct me if I’m wrong

Posted by: Exile | Oct 26 2023 15:53 utc | 97

Here’s an interesting interview. One of the last I believe of Gaddafi. He makes some very interesting and poignant assessments about Gaza.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUhZmO6P0NU
Posted by: Trinculo | Oct 26 2023 15:03 utc | 31
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If I remember correctly, Mr. Gaddafi was later killed by a group of Islamists under NATO command (namely forces of the National Transitional Council, i.e. the Muslim Brotherhood). Since then, Libya, one of the most socially progressive societies on the African continent, has degenerated into a lawless pigsty, which, apart from the privately organized plunder of national resources, is economically mainly characterized by slave and organ trafficking, child prostitution and the like.
Hmm…Muslim Brotherhood… sometimes I wonder what else they are up to.

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 26 2023 15:53 utc | 99