The incessantly repeated lie of the biggest killing of Israeli civilians since the Holocaust on October 7 has become a New Zionist Legend.
From all the material that I have seen, most of the Israeli civilians killed on October 7 were killed in the cross-fire, often by the panicked Israeli security and soldiers, who were utterly unprepared for such an unexpected incursion and totally disorganised at the beginning (is this difficult to understand?). Also, later their instructions were to stop the “terrorists” at any cost, to preserve the image of IDF as an effective force. All the Israeli civilians that Israeli “security” killed on October 7 are, according to this New Zionist Legend, the victims of the “terrorists” that is all Palestinians in Gaza.
Thinking about the similarity of the treatment of US Indians and the Israeli Palestinians, both on their own land. As commercial value was being discovered in and around the Reservation Lands the Indians were forced to move and move. Once gas was discovered near Gazan Coast all manner of collective guilt is used by the Israeli Government to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian from Gaza.

Posted by: Kiza | Oct 19 2023 14:43 utc | 3

The investigation is irrelevant. Every sane person knows who done it.

Posted by: Cbftyping | Oct 19 2023 14:44 utc | 5

Apparently, someone in the Russian Foreign ministry listened to me….
In their most recent pronouncements WRT HAMAS, the RFM declared HAMAS to be the authority of the Gazan region of the state of Palestine, and Israeli attacks on Gaza as assaults against Palestine.
This specifically means that Russia has now unilaterally declared the state of Palestine to exist and to be operative.
This means that in Russia’s view, and most certainly that of the Resistance, Israel is attacking it’s neighbor, the state of Palestine.
This has serious implications, which Bernard might take up in an essay.
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 19 2023 14:47 utc | 7

The U.S. MSM is stating over and over again that it was a Palestinian rocket that hit the parking lot of the hospital that killed over 500 people. Does MoA agree or disagree?

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 19 2023 14:49 utc | 9

I don’t apologise for reposting this piece of vile propagandist Piers Morgan attempting damage control and narrative management.
https://youtu.be/4idQbwsvtUo?si=ZvmMFF3CW_m2ktFt
https://t.me/myLordBebo/10361
Never heard of Bassem Youssef before – Never forget him now. He is a Don. I respect and thank him for his voice and aptitude and letting me get up this morning with a mighty guffaw and smile. .
And the instant refutation to Morgan’s bare faced lie , from his own mouth on his show. Telling Joan Collins about beheaded babies. Without any prompting. That he claimed to Bassem Youssef, he never said!
https://t.me/myLordBebo/10418
There’s probably a link to that on YouTube too if anyone can be bothered to post it.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2023 14:49 utc | 11

Hezbollah claims 10 Merkava tanks. Yet this is still in the stage of low-level border conflict with mostly indirect and long-range fire.
https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1715016014209921484

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2023 14:49 utc | 13

Passerby @1
Rightly so: we know who bombed the Hospital. And we know who blew up the pipeline.
What you call ‘investigation’ is a deliberate campaign to obfuscate a war crime carried out in the clear light of day, by a government which has publicly stated a million times that it regards Palestinians as vermin and revenge as a sacred duty.
It is to be hoped that this discussion thread does not become clogged up with posters doing the Israeli government’s job for it.
But if it does the loss will be ours alone: the world understands what is happening in Gaza and regards the Hospital bombing as a clear symbol of Imperialist callousness and aggression.
The last thing that we need is for alternative media to start mimicking the propagandistic lies of the Press and the Mainstream- let’s leave it to them to try and create doubts about clear images, authentic photography and actual reports from the site itself. Sometimes vanity is worse than treachery.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 19 2023 14:51 utc | 15

if one looks to the multiple unwanted results for Zely, Biden and whole EU (trapped by officially supporting Israel by simultaneosly offer a warm welcome to mn of islamic enemies of it) let the whole mess as a last desperate move of Netansatan to save his ass.. it was clearly an inside job to remove the two batallions, blinding all intellgence and let the hamas do the slaughtery..
get rid of this Netanmonster and his followers and you will earn peace.

Posted by: ableman | Oct 19 2023 14:56 utc | 17

Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 19 2023 14:47 utc | 4
“In their most recent pronouncements WRT HAMAS, the RFM declared HAMAS to be the authority of the Gazan region of the state of Palestine, and Israeli attacks on Gaza as assaults against Palestine.
This specifically means that Russia has now unilaterally declared the state of Palestine to exist and to be operative.”
………
Recognizing Hamas as the authority of the Gaza region is somewhat different to officially recognizing Palestine as an independent sovereign state.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 14:59 utc | 19

The investigation in who bombed the hospital in Gaza is getting the same treatment as the investigation in who bombed the Nord Stream gas pipeline.
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 19 2023 14:39 utc | 1
Thinking the same thing last night.
Imperialism commits ecocidal terrorist attack by blowing up Nordstream pipeline of tremendous value to Russia. Imperialism tells us Russia blew up their own pipeline to make imperialism look bad.
Imperialism amidst a genocide of millions blows up a hospital filled with desperate patients and noble medical staff killing hundreds. Imperialism tells us the Palestinians blew up their own desperately needed hospital…to make imperialism look bad.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 19 2023 15:03 utc | 21

(Submitted to a completed comment section earlier)
………………..
“b’s” articles, the discussion here conducted by people who know what they’re talking about, and the references given are a source book for any seeking to learn more about this war. It’s become more concentrated and focused recently since the Gaza events have taken attention away from the Ukraine.
I submitted a comment recently, really consisting of little else but the opinion I formed about the conflict in Ukraine well over a year ago. So nothing original there but I’m still pondering the replies, which I found valuable and again focusing on the central points.
What I would very much hope to see also is more information about the first few days of the SMO and the period leading up to that. There was more happening then than was ever mentioned in the Western media and the Russians have with one or two exceptions not said much on their side either. But (my view) it was the most crucial period of the conflict and the period during which public opinion in the West was steered decisively in the wrong direction. And the military experts here might well care to examine how it was that the Russian forces, small and working under heavily restrictive ROE, managed to so defeat the much larger Ukrainian forces and (again my view) set the war on the path it’s followed ever since.
As to the future, the indications are that Ukrainian internal politics is in disarray and one wonders how much longer the Ukrainian forces will be able to sustain the conflict in these circumstances. And also, WHY the Western politicians and military are still insisting on feeding the Ukrainian PBI into the killing grounds. People talk of the war continuing until mid 2024 or even 2025, but is that really practicable?
Then the future for Europe. When the armed conflict in Ukraine is over the Russians will still be left with the problem of missiles too close to the borders and an actively hostile NATO. They will neutralise remnant Ukraine to prevent further annoyance from there, but what of Europe itself?
Seems that all they need to do to neutralise or reduce the threat from Europe is let the supply contracts run out. That and no more would render Europe unable to do too much in the way of further hostile activity. Is that going to be the future we in Europe face? The further wrecking of the economies of our various countries, merely because a set of decidedly substandard politicians decided to take us into this venture and now don’t know how to get clear of it?

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2023 15:04 utc | 23

The U.S. MSM is stating over and over again that it was a Palestinian rocket that hit the parking lot of the hospital that killed over 500 people. Does MoA agree or disagree?
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 19 2023 14:49 utc | 5
What do you think, Christian?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 19 2023 15:04 utc | 25

I agree with Mark2, and Bevin, and Doctor Eleven (and many others).
Israel is in the process of publicly, openly, and relatively quickly killing two million civilians.
What Israel is doing right now is worse than what the Nazis did in their concentration camps.
There is no doubt about it.
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 19 2023 15:00 utc | 459

A crosspost for proper perspective in this new thread.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 19 2023 15:08 utc | 27

People protesting Israel’s Gaza bombing are obviously genuinely anguished by the hospital explosion, and some might say reflexively, even desperately, latch onto it as a condensed symbol or synecdoche for Israel’s atrocities tout court (with the hopes that it put the breaks on IL). Yet this can be turned against them by rephrasing it as ‘desiring an atrocity’ (not mention antisemitic ‘blood libel’) in order to ‘win’ against Israel. The latter would have anticipated this psychology and factored it into its calculations vis a vis whatever it did to the hospital.

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 19 2023 15:10 utc | 29

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/19/vjas-o19.html Mass protests in US against Israel war crimes.
Take heart, barflys. We’re not the only ones who see what’s happening.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 19 2023 15:10 utc | 31

The U.S. MSM is stating over and over again that it was a Palestinian rocket that hit the parking lot of the hospital that killed over 500 people. Does MoA agree or disagree?
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 19 2023 14:49 utc | 5
Yes, Christian.
A Palestinian rocket powerful enough to kill 500 people in one strike has been developed.
Once they get their aim right, ‘israel’ is toast.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2023 15:15 utc | 33

Putin wishes for Israel to make public the proof it has that the explosive device damaging the hospital originated inside Gaza. Therefore the Gaza Palestinians are responsible for the death of the patients and the civilians who were sheltering in the building. Will Israel respond? I doubt it. Recall that John Kerry, then SoS under Obama, said he had documentary proof that the Malaysian aircraft shot down over Ukraine was destroyed by a BUK missile which had been moved from Russia to Ukraine. Though this claim was repeated mored than once, no information was made public to back it up. It seems, in fact, that not even the Netherlands investigation that concluded the Russians were responsible was allowed to access any such proof from the USA. Israel denies responsibility and Joe Biden says he believes them based on information from ‘his state department’: it is so because I say so, please show some respect to our ‘team’ stop asking questions. ‘Team’, what does he think is going on?

Posted by: Quentin | Oct 19 2023 15:16 utc | 35

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/19/zblj-o19.html
“Now, amid saturation bombing of Gaza in which thousands of Palestinians have been killed, including more than 1,000 children, Ocasio-Cortez is willing to support not only US military aid for Iron Dome, but also Israeli action against Hamas—i.e., the ongoing campaign of mass murder throughout Gaza and the preparation of an Israeli invasion and mass displacement of the Palestinian population.”
Once again, who needs fascism with a “left” like this?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 19 2023 15:17 utc | 37

BREAKING

Al Jazeera digital investigation DEBUNKS Israel’s claimed that a Palestinian rocket hit Gaza’s al-Ahli hospital. Israel bombed the hospital. End of story.

video at the link.
Also Channel 4: Who was behind the Gaza hospital blast – visual investigation

Posted by: b | Oct 19 2023 15:20 utc | 39

What I would very much hope to see also is more information about the first few days of the SMO and the period leading up to that. There was more happening then than was ever mentioned in the Western media and the Russians have with one or two exceptions not said much on their side either. But (my view) it was the most crucial period of the conflict and the period during which public opinion in the West was steered decisively in the wrong direction. And the military experts here might well care to examine how it was that the Russian forces, small and working under heavily restrictive ROE, managed to so defeat the much larger Ukrainian forces and (again my view) set the war on the path it’s followed ever since.
Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2023 15:04 utc | 12
Interesting question and some information available is interesting, but this is Palestine thread, care to adjourn to the proper Ukraine thread?
I’m only answering to suggest leaving this thread on this subject. Keeping it on topic

Posted by: Newbie | Oct 19 2023 15:20 utc | 41

Apologies for 12. Submitted to wrong section! Have re-submitted.
English Outsider

Posted by: English Outsider | Oct 19 2023 15:21 utc | 43

Have you guys seen this?
Amir Weitmann, member of Israel’s ruling Likud Party threatens Russia on RT
“After we win this war…we will make sure that Ukraine wins…Russia will pay the price…”
🐻 The masks are off…
🔴 @DDGeopolitics
The Zionist Entity has lost its mind!

Posted by: bored | Oct 19 2023 15:21 utc | 45

…… Hezbollah claims 10 Merkava tanks. Yet this is still in the stage of low-level border conflict with mostly indirect and long-range fire.…..
This is surprising, likely means 10 MBTs “disabled”. Even if only disabled, the news suggests a rather active Northern Front. With the IDF performing worse than 2006.
Southern ( Gaza ) Front – Israeli TV reported yesterday dozens of Hamas fighters in raiding parties still active.
Conclusion – IDF has been sucked into a battle of attrition. The IDF planning staff is certainly organizing a solution. TBD

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 15:22 utc | 47

@5
Israeli pronouncements lack credibility.
Where would PIJ get such a large rocket?
Why would the warhead be fused during ascent? PIJ had such warheads?
Where is the radar fix on the rocket? US ISR.
Intercepted open comms?

Posted by: paddy | Oct 19 2023 15:22 utc | 49

Al Jazeera digital investigation DEBUNKS Israel’s claimed that a Palestinian rocket hit Gaza’s al-Ahli hospital. Israel bombed the hospital. End of story.
Posted by: b | Oct 19 2023 15:20 utc | 20

If it looks like shit, smells like shit, and feels like shit, you don’t have to actually eat it to know it’s shit

— Seth Eisenberg

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2023 15:23 utc | 51

Emotions based decision making…When I said to my sister that I look at facts, she told me she makes decisions according to her emotions not facts. That surprised me that people could knowingly make decisions based on emotions rather than facts.
To me, emotions should drive us to find the facts.
Emotion based decision making is nothing more than lynch mob mentality. I look at different revolutions and always many babies are thrown out with the bathwater due to being blinded by emotion.
For my sister, due to the massive propaganda campaign of the last few years, the believes with a religious fervor that the Russian and Chinese leaderships are the ultimate evil and if their people support them then the people are also evil.
I try to show her facts and she has no interest in facts.
It is all too easy to fall into that lynch mob mentality of emotions based decision making.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 15:24 utc | 53

I confirm Israel’s responsibility for bombs on the hospital.
I also confirm the responsibility of the Yankees for the North Stream.
Assassins and criminals.

Posted by: kamma43muri | Oct 19 2023 15:26 utc | 55

From the article detailing Peace Demos in the USA:
…. In Washington D.C., daily peaceful protests have resulted in nearly 400 arrests in the last 72 hours. On October 16, approximately 1,000 demonstrators organized by two Jewish American groups, Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) and IfNotNow, demonstrated near the White House in protest of the Biden administration’s continued support for Israel. Jewish and other anti-war protesters congregated at the corner of 17th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue NW where they sang songs calling on President Biden to issue a ceasefire……
🙂

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 15:26 utc | 57

…. In Washington D.C., daily peaceful protests have resulted in nearly 400 arrests in the last 72 hours. On October 16, approximately 1,000 demonstrators organized by two Jewish American groups, Jewish Voice for Peace
Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 15:26 utc | 29
Looks a little anti-semitic to me.
Who do these Americans think they are? Iranians?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2023 15:31 utc | 59

Blinken and Nety soooooo pleased to announce they may allow in 20 aid lorries from Egypt.. obviously this such a token effort considering the numbers waiting.. and countries promising to send aid .. maybe 20000 might make a slight difference. No reconstruction bulldozers cranes diggers cement lorries raw materials lorries to rebuild will ever be allowed . So hypocritical and sickening …considering people in convoys and the Rafal gate have been attacked . Suggestions Palestinians should go to the Negev desert ….why not the settlers… ah they prefer a nice uninterupted beach view to the Mediterranean .

Posted by: Jo | Oct 19 2023 15:43 utc | 61

The U.S. MSM is stating over and over again that it was a Palestinian rocket that hit the parking lot of the hospital that killed over 500 people. Does MoA agree or disagree?
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 19 2023 14:49 utc | 5
MOA posted yesterday military analyst prelim review of blast video: moving mich too fast for rocket. Sound signal matches JDAM.
Poster to retired cia Larry Johnson blog: JDAM set to airblast in parking lot accounts for lack of crater, internal damage to hospital & high fatality rate in wide surrounding area

Posted by: Mary | Oct 19 2023 15:45 utc | 63

The answer to who bombed the hospital. https://x.com/issasaid232/status/1715025668675678245?s=20

Posted by: whitebeach | Oct 19 2023 15:45 utc | 65

Gaza hospital attack.
Both sides are responsible.
My likely scenario:
Hamas was playing whack-a-mole with Israeli intelligence. Concentrating known Hamas cell phones in an area to see what the response was. This has probably been on going in other areas and attacks. Hamas decided to “up the anti” by staging a conglomeration where the attack would draw the most attention. From previous attacks they would know the response time and plan their own removal accordingly.
Israel attacked using an SDB – Small Diameter Bomb. Air launched, on terminal it would resemble a missile missile trajectory. Israel is intent on tasking out Hamas leaders, so a larger munition (250 or 500 lb) is required for overkill.
What is wasn’t: Smaller missiles have what is called regret avoidance. Hellfire requires a laser spot (through magnified optics) on the target until impact. Spike requires (via video link) an aim point for terminal impact. The operator of either can change the impact point during flight if target conditions change. Neither has the right type pf warhead or explosive capacity to cause the type of damage seen.
Both sides are responsible!!
Hamas in using the civilian human shields to gain attention and world sympathy. Don’t think for a second that Hamas is “fighting for all Palestinians”. They have their own agenda and internal enemies within that community of 2 million people.
Israel for eagerly taking the bait and using overkill weapon. Tactics and procedures in a small area where the enemy knows almost as much about you as you do about him can easily lead to wrong results.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 19 2023 15:48 utc | 67

This analysis alone is surely not definitive, but Al Jazeera’s investigation claims that it wasn’t a Hamas rocket, but an Israeli missile that damaged the Gaza hospital: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNMPlj1iAA

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 19 2023 15:50 utc | 69

Patrick Lawrence on the jubilee truth which must not be spoken:

And amid this cacophony, all this grating noise, a vast, rueful silence. Among the Western democracies’ countless unsayables, the greatest of these is that the state of Israel, founded on injustice 75 years ago, is a failed experiment. Instead of jubilee celebrations, it is ethnic-cleansing a helpless population—a monstrous memorial to the six million whose names it was intended to honor. In the same way, no one in Washington or among the European vassals can say what needs to be said about the long record of America’s “unconditional support” for Israel: It is the gravest foreign policy failure—among many, of course—in the postwar period.

https://scheerpost.com/2023/10/18/patrick-lawrence-roger-waters-and-the-one-state-solution/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Oct 19 2023 15:52 utc | 71

“What Israel is doing right now is worse than what the Nazis did in their concentration camps.”
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 19 2023 15:00 utc | 459
Playing the game of genocide top trumps where my Holocaust beats your genocide quickly leads to a cul-de-sac of sociopathic dehumanisation. In terms of open and civil discussion on MoA, it’s very easy for people to get infected by its derangement & such totalising discourse needs to be treated like kryptonite.
Likewise, instead of treating MoA like a monolithic entity with a uniformity of viewpoint, give your own view:
Does MoA agree or disagree?
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 19 2023 14:49 utc | 5

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Oct 19 2023 15:53 utc | 73

“Conclusion – IDF has been sucked into a battle of attrition. The IDF planning staff is certainly organizing a solution. TBD
Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 15:22 utc | 24”
Well their leadership did opt for a slow suicide final solution when they offered up their population for the jabs.
Last report I saw from the medical front was that some 1/3 of their population now suffers some degree of disability (inability to perform routine tasks). That was a few mandated boosters ago. Not sure how they fare today.

Posted by: Mary | Oct 19 2023 15:54 utc | 75

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 19 2023 14:47 utc | 4
Apparently, someone in the Russian Foreign ministry listened to me….
In their most recent pronouncements WRT HAMAS, the RFM declared HAMAS to be the authority of the Gazan region of the state of Palestine, and Israeli attacks on Gaza as assaults against Palestine.
================================================
Now that IS promising… thxs for the update.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 19 2023 15:55 utc | 77

what is paramount to understand this tragedy in Gaza and Israel or in Ukraine or Syria, is that any understanding must be in the context of the overall systemic crisis defined by the collapse of the trans Atlantic region system and the profile of what makes people commit such heinous acts against other human beings. EIR sets it straight with identifying the “beast man” syndrome being the state of mind which allows and excuses perpetual war and the brutal policies that cause it. One might look at this latest outbreak of the “beast man” mindset behind the intentional hospital bombing as an attack on the BRICS and the BELT ROAD INITITIATIVE. It makes sense given the total bankruptcy, both financially and morally, of the Anglo-Dutch-American system which is responsible for all of our ills. These Zeusians can only react to things they don’t really understand. They would rather subject mankind to a satanic downward spiral with no bottom rather than admit their rotten corpse of a system is finished. The BRICS and BRI are the choice of Promethean thinkers and is our salvation.

Posted by: WT Baker | Oct 19 2023 15:55 utc | 79

36 – Turkish media, which I follow, take it for granted it was the Israelis.

Posted by: Waldorf | Oct 19 2023 15:58 utc | 81

Being Netanyahu
If the Palestinians didn’t exist, nobody would have the idea of killing them.
So, logically, they are 100% responsible for their deaths.
The proof of this is that they also all die in one way or another without being killed.
So what’s all the fuss about?

Posted by: Leuk | Oct 19 2023 15:58 utc | 83

I read an article from a shitstain stenographer today claiming that Gazas lack of water and electricity was caused by poor maintenance. Really the propagandist knows damn well that Israel has shut off the taps. He just doenst care. These fucks have no shame.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 19 2023 15:58 utc | 85

Emotions based decision making…When I said to my sister that I look at facts, she told me she makes decisions according to her emotions not facts. That surprised me that people could knowingly make decisions based on emotions rather than facts.
To me, emotions should drive us to find the facts.
Emotion based decision making is nothing more than lynch mob mentality. I look at different revolutions and always many babies are thrown out with the bathwater due to being blinded by emotion.
For my sister, due to the massive propaganda campaign of the last few years, the believes with a religious fervor that the Russian and Chinese leaderships are the ultimate evil and if their people support them then the people are also evil.
I try to show her facts and she has no interest in facts.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 15:24 utc | 27
The modern western woman.
I’ve had this discussion with many women in my family. In the west, from cradle to grave women have been encouraged to identify first as a woman, identifying as human is a distant second.
From this a stereotyped “women’s way of thinking” is encouraged that emphasizes feeling over thinking. From this, half the population is encouraged to believe irrational emotional intoxication is the superior and uniquely female way of interpreting reality.
All part of a massive political divide and rule strategy that has gone from the fringe fake left on college campus to the kindergartens in just a few decades.
The key is to remember this doesn’t work on all women. You must chat with them a bit to determine the extent of their infection. It preys on the weakest and most confused, which I see as victims of imperialist political psyops and pity to a certain extent…when they aren’t screaming for a genocide, or nuclear WW3, of course.
This witchcraft and much more will disappear with US imperialism.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 19 2023 15:59 utc | 87

Both sides are responsible!!

Hasbara bullshit.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Oct 19 2023 16:00 utc | 89

“What Israel is doing right now is worse than what the Nazis did in their concentration camps.”
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 19 2023 15:00 utc | 459
Playing the game of genocide top trumps where my Holocaust beats your genocide quickly leads to a cul-de-sac of sociopathic dehumanisation. In terms of open and civil discussion on MoA, it’s very easy for people to get infected by its derangement & such totalising discourse needs to be treated like kryptonite.
Posted by: FakeBelieve | Oct 19 2023 15:53 utc | 38
How do you define “totalizing discourse”, fake?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 19 2023 16:01 utc | 91

Israel-Palestine war: Settlers and soldiers ‘severely abuse’ Palestinians and activists
Three Palestinians and five left-wing Israeli activists detained, tied up, beaten and sexually humiliated by Israeli forces
….Palestinians and left-wing Israeli activists in the West Bank village of Wadi al-Siq were physically assaulted, sexually humiliated and tortured by Israeli soldiers and settlers, according to a new report in Haaretz.
Three Palestinians and three activists spoke to the Israeli newspaper about their arrest on 12 October by the Israeli army’s Desert Frontier unit, which has recruited members from the far-right Hilltop Youth settler group.
The Palestinians, who were part of the evacuation of the village after repeated settler attacks, said they were held for hours by between 20 and 25 armed settlers and soldiers, who arrived in two vans and detained them.
The three Palestinians were stripped of their clothes and photographed naked and in their underwear. Israeli forces urinated on two of the captives and put out burning cigarettes on them, according to the report.
A photograph of the three Palestinians in their underwear, blindfolded, tied up and with bruises on their bodies was published on Facebook before being deleted.
One of the men, 46-year-old Mohammed Matar, known as Abu Hassan, told Haaretz that what they had experienced was like the torture and prisoner abuse perpetrated by US forces at Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison……
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-settlers-soldiers-severe-abuse-report

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 16:06 utc | 93

BroncoBilly | Oct 19 2023 15:48 utc | 34
Both sides are not responsible, only one side. Take a look at Gaza on a sat photo. It is a densely packed ghetto.
Israeli officials call them human animals.
This attack on Gaza is exactly the same modus operandi of previous attacks. The one in 2014 or 15 I remember well as Israel used the distraction of MH17 and the focus on Ukraine as a distraction to launch similar genocidal attack on Gaza.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 16:08 utc | 95

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/10/19/from-glenn-greenwald/
Title:
From Glenn Greenwald: Israel’s Bombing of Gaza Strip as intense in 6 Days as US Bombardment of Afghanistan for one year

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 19 2023 16:08 utc | 97

Thanks for the latest, b @ 20. I found an analysis (on X/Twitter) by retired Canadian Armed Forces member, Mike Mihajlovic. He says it may have been caused by a LORA, not just a JADAM.
https://x.com/MihajlovicMike/status/1714384179230580916

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 19 2023 16:10 utc | 99