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Palestine Open Thread 2023-237
Only for news & views directly related to the conflict in Palestine.
News of the day:
Gregg Carlstrom @glcarlstrom – 4:51 UTC · Oct 12, 2023
MbS spoke last night with Iran's president Raisi (!). First call ever. From Saudi readout: MbS "expressed deep concern for the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza" and "underscored the kingdom's unwavering stance in standing up for the Palestinian cause."
HRH Crown Prince Receives Phone Call from Iranian President
The call was likely in response to U.S. plans for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza:
The US is in active talks with Israel and Egypt to establish "safe passage" corridors for civilians in Gaza to flee ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the White House said Wednesday amid an expected ground offensive in the besieged enclave.
"We're actively discussing this with our Israeli and our Egyptian counterparts, we support safe passions for civilians. Civilians are not to blame for what Hamas has done. They didn't do anything wrong," National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at the White House.
"We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting," he added.
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Don Bacon | Oct 12 2023 19:40 utc | 223–
IMO, the most outspoken Arab leader over the past several days was Iraqi PM Sudani with his words at the Russian Energy Week Plenary Session when he described the intensity of the “Arab Street,” which will only escalate along with the Zionist’s escalations. What I said above about the muting in the West of the Zionist’s plans doesn’t apply at all to the Umma, where they are very well known. The Peace Deal done by Mubarak that eventually got him killed is hated by the majority of Egyptians, and Sisi is well aware of that. The same must be said for Jordan and Syria. We already have a good idea of how Hezbollah will respond. Here’s what Sudani said in Moscow:
Today, the position on the Palestinian issue is not only a political position, it is a position that reflects first of all our humanitarian needs. And this is a legally justified position. The world ignored this problem, and now everyone is wondering how this happened, why Hamas went to this intifada, to resist, because the Palestinian people have experienced years and decades of persecution, oppression, and non-compliance with all internationally accepted resolutions.
More than 70 decisions and resolutions have been adopted by the General Assembly and the Security Council regarding the Palestinian issue. However, none of them, in fact, was fulfilled, including by the Israeli authorities. So what do you expect from a people who have a doctrine, an idea, but their rights are not being implemented?
The Palestinians are a free people, and they are part of an Islamic Ummah of more than two billion people. And so when we see the results, the consequences of this position, and we see that the Israelis insist on using exactly the methods that they are currently using, as a result, spontaneous strikes are carried out on Gaza, there is destruction. At the same time, the Israelis are using all their arsenal, and they openly declare their responsibility for these events. They say that they made the decision to stop the supply of water and electricity not only to humiliate the people who live there, and they even call them words that they don’t want to say – this is an insult to all of humanity.
Today, the international community must openly approve whether there are any agreements, international principles that regulate this situation and regulate the situation in the world, or whether there is nothing at all, and any country in the world can take steps at its discretion. This is wrong. We live in a world where the forces of good need to come together.
That is why, Mr. President, I appeal to you, as the President of a country that is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, to take the initiative for a cease – fire, a real ceasefire and finding a real solution to the Palestinian problem, because we cannot even predict the consequences of these challenges for the entire region. We are talking about the Arab and Islamic “street”, they are just now seething, seeing the events that are taking place in Palestine, the murders and the attack on the Gaza Strip….
Continued bombing of Gaza as we see it now, and hints that there will be a ground operation-all this leads to madness in the region. As I mentioned, the Islamic Arab “street” is hot, it sees all these crimes. And ignoring, ignoring the opinions of ordinary people is a very big threat to the whole world….
What I said about the growing discontent on the Arab “street” is that there will be growing pressure on Arab governments to take a clear position. The expansion of the crisis and conflict in the region will undoubtedly disrupt stability. As a Government, we are trying to fulfill our de-escalation responsibilities. It doesn’t matter whether we work with friendly or unfriendly countries, but it is important for us to respond to emerging challenges. [My Emphasis]
Much more was said about the overall geopolitical situation and how Iraq sees and would like to handle these crises, which makes the discussion very rich and important. Today Putin’s in Bishkek for a CIS meeting where all this will also be discussed, where Putin also held specific talks with Azerbaijan’s Aliev on not just the conflict with Armenia.
IMO, only one power can halt the Zionists and only momentarily and that’s the Outlaw US Empire as it has the power of the purse and the armory, both of which could be withheld if Team Biden wanted. Otherwise, if the Zionists are allowed to continue their plans, a wider war will occur.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2023 20:10 utc | 479
Don Bacon | Oct 12 2023 19:40 utc | 223–
IMO, the most outspoken Arab leader over the past several days was Iraqi PM Sudani with his words at the Russian Energy Week Plenary Session when he described the intensity of the “Arab Street,” which will only escalate along with the Zionist’s escalations. What I said above about the muting in the West of the Zionist’s plans doesn’t apply at all to the Umma, where they are very well known. The Peace Deal done by Mubarak that eventually got him killed is hated by the majority of Egyptians, and Sisi is well aware of that. The same must be said for Jordan and Syria. We already have a good idea of how Hezbollah will respond. Here’s what Sudani said in Moscow:
Today, the position on the Palestinian issue is not only a political position, it is a position that reflects first of all our humanitarian needs. And this is a legally justified position. The world ignored this problem, and now everyone is wondering how this happened, why Hamas went to this intifada, to resist, because the Palestinian people have experienced years and decades of persecution, oppression, and non-compliance with all internationally accepted resolutions.
More than 70 decisions and resolutions have been adopted by the General Assembly and the Security Council regarding the Palestinian issue. However, none of them, in fact, was fulfilled, including by the Israeli authorities. So what do you expect from a people who have a doctrine, an idea, but their rights are not being implemented?
The Palestinians are a free people, and they are part of an Islamic Ummah of more than two billion people. And so when we see the results, the consequences of this position, and we see that the Israelis insist on using exactly the methods that they are currently using, as a result, spontaneous strikes are carried out on Gaza, there is destruction. At the same time, the Israelis are using all their arsenal, and they openly declare their responsibility for these events. They say that they made the decision to stop the supply of water and electricity not only to humiliate the people who live there, and they even call them words that they don’t want to say – this is an insult to all of humanity.
Today, the international community must openly approve whether there are any agreements, international principles that regulate this situation and regulate the situation in the world, or whether there is nothing at all, and any country in the world can take steps at its discretion. This is wrong. We live in a world where the forces of good need to come together.
That is why, Mr. President, I appeal to you, as the President of a country that is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, to take the initiative for a cease – fire, a real ceasefire and finding a real solution to the Palestinian problem, because we cannot even predict the consequences of these challenges for the entire region. We are talking about the Arab and Islamic “street”, they are just now seething, seeing the events that are taking place in Palestine, the murders and the attack on the Gaza Strip….
Continued bombing of Gaza as we see it now, and hints that there will be a ground operation-all this leads to madness in the region. As I mentioned, the Islamic Arab “street” is hot, it sees all these crimes. And ignoring, ignoring the opinions of ordinary people is a very big threat to the whole world….
What I said about the growing discontent on the Arab “street” is that there will be growing pressure on Arab governments to take a clear position. The expansion of the crisis and conflict in the region will undoubtedly disrupt stability. As a Government, we are trying to fulfill our de-escalation responsibilities. It doesn’t matter whether we work with friendly or unfriendly countries, but it is important for us to respond to emerging challenges. [My Emphasis]
Much more was said about the overall geopolitical situation and how Iraq sees and would like to handle these crises, which makes the discussion very rich and important. Today Putin’s in Bishkek for a CIS meeting where all this will also be discussed, where Putin also held specific talks with Azerbaijan’s Aliev on not just the conflict with Armenia.
IMO, only one power can halt the Zionists and only momentarily and that’s the Outlaw US Empire as it has the power of the purse and the armory, both of which could be withheld if Team Biden wanted. Otherwise, if the Zionists are allowed to continue their plans, a wider war will occur.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 12 2023 20:10 utc | 480
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