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October 8, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-234
Only for news & views directly related to the conflict in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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I’m with you Trubind1, “Something bigger is afoot.” We can’t know all of the reasons why this happened now but distraction from other political failures is likely part of it. In order for that to work though this needs to ramp up and go on for much longer, at least until the next shiny object draws the attention of the media and the masses. Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 101 I’m with you Trubind1, “Something bigger is afoot.” We can’t know all of the reasons why this happened now but distraction from other political failures is likely part of it. In order for that to work though this needs to ramp up and go on for much longer, at least until the next shiny object draws the attention of the media and the masses. Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 102 Posted by: Leuk | Oct 8 2023 13:19 utc | 46 Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:33 utc | 103 Posted by: Leuk | Oct 8 2023 13:19 utc | 46 Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:33 utc | 104 Israel is the last remnant of western colonialism Posted by: Deep thoughts | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 105 Israel is the last remnant of western colonialism Posted by: Deep thoughts | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 106 Definitely there is a bigger play going on, as usual: Posted by: Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 107 Definitely there is a bigger play going on, as usual: Posted by: Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 108
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66579 Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:39 utc | 109
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66615 Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:41 utc | 111
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66615 Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:41 utc | 112 Come on people… another Banker war, a need to print, a “show”. Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:42 utc | 113 Come on people… another Banker war, a need to print, a “show”. Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:42 utc | 114
Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:44 utc | 115
Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:44 utc | 116 @Down South Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 117 @Down South Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 118 Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 59 Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:50 utc | 119 Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 59 Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:50 utc | 120 Still waiting on your response Inkant1970, who in the last thread claimed Israel won’t exist after the war? Are you going to respond or slink away like the idiot troll you are? Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:53 utc | 121 Still waiting on your response Inkant1970, who in the last thread claimed Israel won’t exist after the war? Are you going to respond or slink away like the idiot troll you are? Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:53 utc | 122 RE: “Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:53 utc | 123 RE: “Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:53 utc | 124 That goes for you too Apollyon, too scared to reveal yourself as the hasbara troll you are? What are the Palestinians supposed to do, wait on their knees for a secular government to save them? It hasn’t happened for decades but it will when nutanyahoo is out of power? That’s your plan for these poor people? 🤣 🤣 🤣 Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:59 utc | 125 That goes for you too Apollyon, too scared to reveal yourself as the hasbara troll you are? What are the Palestinians supposed to do, wait on their knees for a secular government to save them? It hasn’t happened for decades but it will when nutanyahoo is out of power? That’s your plan for these poor people? 🤣 🤣 🤣 Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:59 utc | 126 Definitely there is a bigger play going on, as usual: Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 14:00 utc | 127 Definitely there is a bigger play going on, as usual: Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 14:00 utc | 128 Still waiting says @22 “all legitimate targets, sorry, not sorry” guy Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 14:06 utc | 129 Still waiting says @22 “all legitimate targets, sorry, not sorry” guy Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 14:06 utc | 130 RE: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 59 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:07 utc | 131 RE: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 59 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:07 utc | 132 It’s all very convenient. Bibi has been encountering massive, unprecedented opposition from within the Jewish population of Israel. How defuse this? A big attack by Hamas from the Gaza Strip might do the job, bring the opposition into line, by letting the Hamas forces bombard Israel with thousands of rockets, make incursions from the Gaza Strip to kill civilians by the hundred, and capture civilians and servicemen. Posted by: Dr Paul | Oct 8 2023 14:09 utc | 133 It’s all very convenient. Bibi has been encountering massive, unprecedented opposition from within the Jewish population of Israel. How defuse this? A big attack by Hamas from the Gaza Strip might do the job, bring the opposition into line, by letting the Hamas forces bombard Israel with thousands of rockets, make incursions from the Gaza Strip to kill civilians by the hundred, and capture civilians and servicemen. Posted by: Dr Paul | Oct 8 2023 14:09 utc | 134 There is no way that Mossad didn’t know about this, with all the surveillance and informers..the attack on the Al-Aqsa mosque was probably arranged too..Not sure what the goal was, but Biden already sent them $8 billion… Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 135 There is no way that Mossad didn’t know about this, with all the surveillance and informers..the attack on the Al-Aqsa mosque was probably arranged too..Not sure what the goal was, but Biden already sent them $8 billion… Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 136 RE: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 14:00 utc | 64 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:13 utc | 137 RE: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 14:00 utc | 64 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:13 utc | 138 Lots of cognitive disconnect today. “How could this be?” That will pass. Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 8 2023 14:15 utc | 139 Lots of cognitive disconnect today. “How could this be?” That will pass. Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 8 2023 14:15 utc | 140 Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:15 utc | 141 Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:15 utc | 142 This “caught them by surprise” line is simply not tenable. In Gaza every second person is an Israeli spy – Mossad has infiltrated every part of Palestinian life – nothing moves, nothing happens, that they don’t know about. That is true across the spectrum of Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, the whole area. Their human intelligence and undercover networks are all-pervasive. And that’s before the complete electronic surveillance monster they have of phones, the internet, cameras, etc,etc,etc. Posted by: HOGGY | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 143 This “caught them by surprise” line is simply not tenable. In Gaza every second person is an Israeli spy – Mossad has infiltrated every part of Palestinian life – nothing moves, nothing happens, that they don’t know about. That is true across the spectrum of Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, the whole area. Their human intelligence and undercover networks are all-pervasive. And that’s before the complete electronic surveillance monster they have of phones, the internet, cameras, etc,etc,etc. Posted by: HOGGY | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 144 Salaam-we need to be patient,two three days.Tik-tac@45,the most watched piece of real estate on 9/11 was?There was a breach then, what’s different now-maybe location west Asia! Posted by: 4q8 | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 145 Salaam-we need to be patient,two three days.Tik-tac@45,the most watched piece of real estate on 9/11 was?There was a breach then, what’s different now-maybe location west Asia! Posted by: 4q8 | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 146 Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:18 utc | 45 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 147 Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:18 utc | 45 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 148 RE: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 68 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:21 utc | 149 RE: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 68 Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:21 utc | 150 My heart is broken for the civilians. Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:22 utc | 151 My heart is broken for the civilians. Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:22 utc | 152 Since I have no idea what is really going on, whether it’s a false flag or not, I will say that this is a welcome distraction for the Bidet “administration” and it’s disastrous policies. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 8 2023 14:23 utc | 153 Since I have no idea what is really going on, whether it’s a false flag or not, I will say that this is a welcome distraction for the Bidet “administration” and it’s disastrous policies. Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 8 2023 14:23 utc | 154 Trubind1@75…..she keeps calling the IDF the strongest army in the world, seems they got wooled over by their own bullshit. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 8 2023 14:28 utc | 155 Trubind1@75…..she keeps calling the IDF the strongest army in the world, seems they got wooled over by their own bullshit. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 8 2023 14:28 utc | 156 Posted by: Dr Paul | Oct 8 2023 14:09 utc | 67 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:35 utc | 157 Posted by: Dr Paul | Oct 8 2023 14:09 utc | 67 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:35 utc | 158 I see the faces of many Brothers from Yemen in the videos. Posted by: From Yemen | Oct 8 2023 14:36 utc | 159 I see the faces of many Brothers from Yemen in the videos. Posted by: From Yemen | Oct 8 2023 14:36 utc | 160 Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 14:06 utc | 65 Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 161 Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 14:06 utc | 65 Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 162 This will end. Just like 1948. And 1956 and 1967 and 1973 and 1982 and 1987-1993 and 2002 and 2005 and 2006 and 2009 and 2012 and 2014 and 2021. Just add 2023 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 163 This will end. Just like 1948. And 1956 and 1967 and 1973 and 1982 and 1987-1993 and 2002 and 2005 and 2006 and 2009 and 2012 and 2014 and 2021. Just add 2023 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 164 @Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 38
That sounds exactly like the Kagan/Nuland gang. Remember the “Rebuilding Americas Defences” paper from 2000 by “Project For The New American Century” (PNAC) that “predicted” the 911 events by invoking Pearl Harbor?
And by strange coincidence, a year later they got a “catastrophic and catalyzing event”, Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 8 2023 14:41 utc | 165 @Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 38
That sounds exactly like the Kagan/Nuland gang. Remember the “Rebuilding Americas Defences” paper from 2000 by “Project For The New American Century” (PNAC) that “predicted” the 911 events by invoking Pearl Harbor?
And by strange coincidence, a year later they got a “catastrophic and catalyzing event”, Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 8 2023 14:41 utc | 166 Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 51 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 167 Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 51 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 168 Paragliders, golf carts, bulldozers, motorcycles, dozens of armed muscle in pickup trucks who stopped, inter alia, to pose with Israeli settler grandmothers in their settler retirement homes, as opposed to keeping a life or death watch on their environment at all times while in enemy territory. Why were so many of the Hamas insurgents so dark of skin they could positively be described as ‘black,’ as though they were deliberately chosen to contrast with the pasty white settlers’ skin tones to the maximum degree? The massacre of kids at the desert rave by paragliding terrorists. All this and more is so exceedingly surreal because not only did IDF not stop this light unarmored assault in real time, they really only responded in sufficient force many hours later, thereby effectively allowing for maximum number of Israeli casualties. Is it possible that IDF unleashed this most lightly armoured of beasts upon itself, a horde of primitively vehiculed Mad Max thugs, out of some form of political expediency? Posted by: Ludo | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 169 Paragliders, golf carts, bulldozers, motorcycles, dozens of armed muscle in pickup trucks who stopped, inter alia, to pose with Israeli settler grandmothers in their settler retirement homes, as opposed to keeping a life or death watch on their environment at all times while in enemy territory. Why were so many of the Hamas insurgents so dark of skin they could positively be described as ‘black,’ as though they were deliberately chosen to contrast with the pasty white settlers’ skin tones to the maximum degree? The massacre of kids at the desert rave by paragliding terrorists. All this and more is so exceedingly surreal because not only did IDF not stop this light unarmored assault in real time, they really only responded in sufficient force many hours later, thereby effectively allowing for maximum number of Israeli casualties. Is it possible that IDF unleashed this most lightly armoured of beasts upon itself, a horde of primitively vehiculed Mad Max thugs, out of some form of political expediency? Posted by: Ludo | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 170 Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 81 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:47 utc | 171 Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 81 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:47 utc | 172 Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:11 utc | 43 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:50 utc | 173 Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:11 utc | 43 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:50 utc | 174 Posted by: Ludo | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 85 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:53 utc | 175 Posted by: Ludo | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 85 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:53 utc | 176 So, how does this theory sound: Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 177 So, how does this theory sound: Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 178 “This ignominious, unprovoked, and barbaric attack on Israel must be met with world condemnation and unequivocal support for the Jewish state’s right to self-defense,” tweeted presidential candidate Robert F Kennedy Jr. Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 179 “This ignominious, unprovoked, and barbaric attack on Israel must be met with world condemnation and unequivocal support for the Jewish state’s right to self-defense,” tweeted presidential candidate Robert F Kennedy Jr. Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 180 Le ministre de la défense israélien vient de déclarer que l’iran venait de déclarer la guerre à Israël. Posted by: Hares | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 181 Le ministre de la défense israélien vient de déclarer que l’iran venait de déclarer la guerre à Israël. Posted by: Hares | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 182 Zelensky has a trump card up his sleeve: to urgently rename Ukraine into Israel, and the AFU into the IDF. Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 14:55 utc | 183 Zelensky has a trump card up his sleeve: to urgently rename Ukraine into Israel, and the AFU into the IDF. Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 14:55 utc | 184 My heart is broken for the civilians. Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 185 My heart is broken for the civilians. Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 186 There is no way that Mossad didn’t know about this, with all the surveillance and .. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 14:59 utc | 187 There is no way that Mossad didn’t know about this, with all the surveillance and .. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 14:59 utc | 188 The Pope – has issued a prayer for peace in Israel and Palestine: I follow with concern and pain what is happening in Israel, where violence has erupted with even greater intensity, resulting in hundreds of dead and wounded. Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 15:02 utc | 189 The Pope – has issued a prayer for peace in Israel and Palestine: I follow with concern and pain what is happening in Israel, where violence has erupted with even greater intensity, resulting in hundreds of dead and wounded. Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 15:02 utc | 190 “A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains–let not the contemptible eunuchs tell us that they are equals before a court of morality!”—Leon Trotsky, 1938 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 15:04 utc | 191 “A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains–let not the contemptible eunuchs tell us that they are equals before a court of morality!”—Leon Trotsky, 1938 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 15:04 utc | 192 Posted by: BobM | Oct 8 2023 12:05 utc | 2 Posted by: AI | Oct 8 2023 15:05 utc | 193 Posted by: BobM | Oct 8 2023 12:05 utc | 2 Posted by: AI | Oct 8 2023 15:05 utc | 194 Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 93 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 15:06 utc | 195 Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 93 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 15:06 utc | 196 Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 90 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 15:06 utc | 197 Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 90 Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 15:06 utc | 198 Well, it can be both a false flag and a failure of intelligence. Encouraging and letting in a few dozen “militants” might have been the plan, but if the few dozen turned into several hundred with better arms and planning than accounted for, then it turns into an “oh shit, what have we done?” moment. Big job now for the propagandists to manage this positively for the Israeli government and Western consumption. After all, if Ukrainians can use any means to resist occupiers, why not other peoples? Posted by: decorum | Oct 8 2023 15:07 utc | 199 Well, it can be both a false flag and a failure of intelligence. Encouraging and letting in a few dozen “militants” might have been the plan, but if the few dozen turned into several hundred with better arms and planning than accounted for, then it turns into an “oh shit, what have we done?” moment. Big job now for the propagandists to manage this positively for the Israeli government and Western consumption. After all, if Ukrainians can use any means to resist occupiers, why not other peoples? 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