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October 8, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-234

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I’m with you Trubind1, “Something bigger is afoot.” We can’t know all of the reasons why this happened now but distraction from other political failures is likely part of it. In order for that to work though this needs to ramp up and go on for much longer, at least until the next shiny object draws the attention of the media and the masses.
The obvious concern is that it escalates into WWIII as that’s unlikely to end well for anyone. But a long, bloody regional war would work nicely. Either way, the cleaving of the east from the west continues. Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 101

I’m with you Trubind1, “Something bigger is afoot.” We can’t know all of the reasons why this happened now but distraction from other political failures is likely part of it. In order for that to work though this needs to ramp up and go on for much longer, at least until the next shiny object draws the attention of the media and the masses.
The obvious concern is that it escalates into WWIII as that’s unlikely to end well for anyone. But a long, bloody regional war would work nicely. Either way, the cleaving of the east from the west continues. Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 102

Posted by: Leuk | Oct 8 2023 13:19 utc | 46
about “Zionist troll” : If it’s Haaretz who writes it, then it must be true…seriously?
Palestine shall overcome !

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:33 utc | 103

Posted by: Leuk | Oct 8 2023 13:19 utc | 46
about “Zionist troll” : If it’s Haaretz who writes it, then it must be true…seriously?
Palestine shall overcome !

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:33 utc | 104

Israel is the last remnant of western colonialism

Posted by: Deep thoughts | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 105

Israel is the last remnant of western colonialism

Posted by: Deep thoughts | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 106

Definitely there is a bigger play going on, as usual:
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 107

Definitely there is a bigger play going on, as usual:
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 108

❗️🇮🇱🇵🇸 Aggravation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict zone what is known as of 13.00 October 8, 2023
Despite statements by Israeli security forces, the Israelis will fully regain control of the lost settlements along the Gaza Strip. does not exceed.
🔻North direction:
▪️ The fighting for Ashkelon has moved to the eastern part: apparently, the groups of saboteurs who penetrated from the sea and by air yesterday have been scattered. Palestinian factions advance along the highway and are 800 meters from the prison;
▪️ A couple of dozen Israeli security forces were killed in Mav’akim, the entire zone up to Zikim is continuously fighting. Units of the Israel Defense Forces managed to gain a foothold on the western outskirts;
▪️separate groups of Palestinians managed to reach the southern approaches to Ashdod, where they set up a meat grinder right on the highway. The IDF was no better: the soldiers covered themselves with cars containing civilians.
🔻Eastern direction:
▪️ There is a fog of war in Sderot. It is impossible to establish exact control zones, but Hamas claims constant rocket attacks on IDF positions in the city in support of entrenched militants;
▪️The Palestinians announced a successful landing in several settlements – including Ofakim, which the IDF declared as cleared. In addition, landings were carried out in Magen, Saad and Shoked ;
▪️ The zone from Ofakim to Raim is changing hands. Kisufim and road directions are under confident Palestinian control.
🔻South direction:
▪️despite reinforcements deployed, the IDF is unable to advance to the southern border with the Gaza Strip.
❗️At 13:00, Hamas called on all groups and the population of the West Bank to join the war against Israel. A second front is expected to open soon.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66579

Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:39 utc | 109

❗️🇮🇱🇵🇸 Aggravation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict zone what is known as of 13.00 October 8, 2023
Despite statements by Israeli security forces, the Israelis will fully regain control of the lost settlements along the Gaza Strip. does not exceed.
🔻North direction:
▪️ The fighting for Ashkelon has moved to the eastern part: apparently, the groups of saboteurs who penetrated from the sea and by air yesterday have been scattered. Palestinian factions advance along the highway and are 800 meters from the prison;
▪️ A couple of dozen Israeli security forces were killed in Mav’akim, the entire zone up to Zikim is continuously fighting. Units of the Israel Defense Forces managed to gain a foothold on the western outskirts;
▪️separate groups of Palestinians managed to reach the southern approaches to Ashdod, where they set up a meat grinder right on the highway. The IDF was no better: the soldiers covered themselves with cars containing civilians.
🔻Eastern direction:
▪️ There is a fog of war in Sderot. It is impossible to establish exact control zones, but Hamas claims constant rocket attacks on IDF positions in the city in support of entrenched militants;
▪️The Palestinians announced a successful landing in several settlements – including Ofakim, which the IDF declared as cleared. In addition, landings were carried out in Magen, Saad and Shoked ;
▪️ The zone from Ofakim to Raim is changing hands. Kisufim and road directions are under confident Palestinian control.
🔻South direction:
▪️despite reinforcements deployed, the IDF is unable to advance to the southern border with the Gaza Strip.
❗️At 13:00, Hamas called on all groups and the population of the West Bank to join the war against Israel. A second front is expected to open soon.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66579

Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:39 utc | 110

The situation in Israel on October 8
The Israel Defense Forces is gradually deploying ground troops and transferring additional forces from the east of the country, but the situation has not yet been stabilized.
How does Hamas operate?
Despite Israeli air strikes, Hamas ground forces continue to advance towards Tel Aviv. At the moment, fighting is being recorded in the area of ​​Ashkelon (15 km from Gaza) and Ashdod (23 km northeast of the Palestinian enclave).
After attacks on Israeli targets with Qassam missiles, the Palestinians are actively using loitering munitions to destroy IDF targets at a distance of 30-50 km. Hamas also announced that it has taken control of an IDF base in the Kisufim area, 2 km from the wall separating Gaza from Israeli territory.
The Israeli army has not yet been able to force the Palestinians to their original positions: heavy armored vehicles have not yet arrived in the combat area, and Israeli police units are clearly not up to the task. The involvement of the Lebanese Hezbollah in the fighting is still invisible against the general background of the fighting, but activity continues to increase.
How the IDF operates
The air strikes carried out since yesterday have not yet given Israel a tangible advantage. The main bet will be placed on the full-scale use of armored vehicles. Merkava Mk.4 battle tanks, Namer armored personnel carriers, and other heavy equipment are being deployed from military bases in the central and eastern parts of the country. However, IDF ground forces will soon face not only a large number of drones used by the Palestinians but also the use of anti-tank systems.
It is noteworthy that a significant proportion of Palestinian anti-tank weapons operators carry missiles with tandem warheads (for example, PG-7VR). This suggests that the Palestinians were preparing for the destruction of heavy equipment from the very beginning. Perhaps for the same reason, units such as the 933rd Nahal Infantry Brigade with heavy Eitan armored personnel carriers are practically absent in the combat zone. In addition, the IDF still does not risk using American AH-64 Apache helicopters after several vehicles were almost shot down by fire from MANPADS.
Where is this going?
So far, IDF activity has been limited to closing small sections of highways to block or at least slow the advance of Palestinians using pickup trucks, scooters, and ATVs to get around. However, the forces that Israel has deployed at the moment are clearly insufficient. Having noticed the road closures, the Palestinians prefer not to engage in protracted fighting and regroup to bypass the checkpoints.
Most likely, this is due to the need to get to one of the major cities in the predetermined zone of the Palestinian operation and strengthen control there. The situation in Sderot, Otef, Ofakim, and Netivot still remains unclear. Israeli security forces did not take control of the situation in these cities due to a lack of heavy equipment and air support. Hamas’ advance continues. At the moment, the Palestinians have advanced from 5 to 27 km deep into Israeli territory.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66615

Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:41 utc | 111

The situation in Israel on October 8
The Israel Defense Forces is gradually deploying ground troops and transferring additional forces from the east of the country, but the situation has not yet been stabilized.
How does Hamas operate?
Despite Israeli air strikes, Hamas ground forces continue to advance towards Tel Aviv. At the moment, fighting is being recorded in the area of ​​Ashkelon (15 km from Gaza) and Ashdod (23 km northeast of the Palestinian enclave).
After attacks on Israeli targets with Qassam missiles, the Palestinians are actively using loitering munitions to destroy IDF targets at a distance of 30-50 km. Hamas also announced that it has taken control of an IDF base in the Kisufim area, 2 km from the wall separating Gaza from Israeli territory.
The Israeli army has not yet been able to force the Palestinians to their original positions: heavy armored vehicles have not yet arrived in the combat area, and Israeli police units are clearly not up to the task. The involvement of the Lebanese Hezbollah in the fighting is still invisible against the general background of the fighting, but activity continues to increase.
How the IDF operates
The air strikes carried out since yesterday have not yet given Israel a tangible advantage. The main bet will be placed on the full-scale use of armored vehicles. Merkava Mk.4 battle tanks, Namer armored personnel carriers, and other heavy equipment are being deployed from military bases in the central and eastern parts of the country. However, IDF ground forces will soon face not only a large number of drones used by the Palestinians but also the use of anti-tank systems.
It is noteworthy that a significant proportion of Palestinian anti-tank weapons operators carry missiles with tandem warheads (for example, PG-7VR). This suggests that the Palestinians were preparing for the destruction of heavy equipment from the very beginning. Perhaps for the same reason, units such as the 933rd Nahal Infantry Brigade with heavy Eitan armored personnel carriers are practically absent in the combat zone. In addition, the IDF still does not risk using American AH-64 Apache helicopters after several vehicles were almost shot down by fire from MANPADS.
Where is this going?
So far, IDF activity has been limited to closing small sections of highways to block or at least slow the advance of Palestinians using pickup trucks, scooters, and ATVs to get around. However, the forces that Israel has deployed at the moment are clearly insufficient. Having noticed the road closures, the Palestinians prefer not to engage in protracted fighting and regroup to bypass the checkpoints.
Most likely, this is due to the need to get to one of the major cities in the predetermined zone of the Palestinian operation and strengthen control there. The situation in Sderot, Otef, Ofakim, and Netivot still remains unclear. Israeli security forces did not take control of the situation in these cities due to a lack of heavy equipment and air support. Hamas’ advance continues. At the moment, the Palestinians have advanced from 5 to 27 km deep into Israeli territory.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66615

Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:41 utc | 112

Come on people… another Banker war, a need to print, a “show”.
Gregory Mannarino: “Bond Market” will be closed tomorrow. “Weekend war”… place your bets…A lot of $$ to be made this week by some.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NC2SvmMA8EQ
How long planned? I’m really beyond disgusted anymore.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:42 utc | 113

Come on people… another Banker war, a need to print, a “show”.
Gregory Mannarino: “Bond Market” will be closed tomorrow. “Weekend war”… place your bets…A lot of $$ to be made this week by some.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NC2SvmMA8EQ
How long planned? I’m really beyond disgusted anymore.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:42 utc | 114

🇮🇱⚔️🇵🇸 Israel’s military-political cabinet voted to introduce the “40 Aleph” clause – this is an official declaration of war.
➡️Today, Israeli media reported that the military-political leadership of Israel introduced a special clause “40 Aleph”. According to them, the introduction of such a clause is tantamount to an official declaration of war.
➡️Previously, the “40 aleph” clause was put into effect exactly 50 years ago – during the Yom Kippur War in 1973. The command of the Israel Defense Forces has already warned the country’s citizens that “difficult times” await the state. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the war would be “long and difficult.”
➡️The country’s leadership and armed forces are preparing to conduct a ground military operation in the Gaza Strip.
➡️IDF spokesman Richard Hecht said that within the next 12 hours the country is going to launch a military operation that will put an end to the Gaza enclave, according to him. The IDF is going to establish control over the entire region.

https://t.me/geromanat/11716

Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:44 utc | 115

🇮🇱⚔️🇵🇸 Israel’s military-political cabinet voted to introduce the “40 Aleph” clause – this is an official declaration of war.
➡️Today, Israeli media reported that the military-political leadership of Israel introduced a special clause “40 Aleph”. According to them, the introduction of such a clause is tantamount to an official declaration of war.
➡️Previously, the “40 aleph” clause was put into effect exactly 50 years ago – during the Yom Kippur War in 1973. The command of the Israel Defense Forces has already warned the country’s citizens that “difficult times” await the state. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the war would be “long and difficult.”
➡️The country’s leadership and armed forces are preparing to conduct a ground military operation in the Gaza Strip.
➡️IDF spokesman Richard Hecht said that within the next 12 hours the country is going to launch a military operation that will put an end to the Gaza enclave, according to him. The IDF is going to establish control over the entire region.

https://t.me/geromanat/11716

Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:44 utc | 116

@Down South
“Something is not right. There are bigger things afoot here than we can see for now.”
A reason was needed for the resettlement of the Zionists from Israel to Ukraine. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/jewish-pilgrims-gather-at-holy-site-in-ukraine-despite-the-perils-of-war
This is the reason why Selenskyjs sends thousands of Ukrainians in the mine fields with no hope of survival.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-703335

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 117

@Down South
“Something is not right. There are bigger things afoot here than we can see for now.”
A reason was needed for the resettlement of the Zionists from Israel to Ukraine. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/jewish-pilgrims-gather-at-holy-site-in-ukraine-despite-the-perils-of-war
This is the reason why Selenskyjs sends thousands of Ukrainians in the mine fields with no hope of survival.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-703335

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 118

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 59
i dont know what the plans are, but i don’t think Russia is going to allow a nuclear armed US ally on its border.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:50 utc | 119

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 59
i dont know what the plans are, but i don’t think Russia is going to allow a nuclear armed US ally on its border.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:50 utc | 120

Still waiting on your response Inkant1970, who in the last thread claimed Israel won’t exist after the war? Are you going to respond or slink away like the idiot troll you are?

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:53 utc | 121

Still waiting on your response Inkant1970, who in the last thread claimed Israel won’t exist after the war? Are you going to respond or slink away like the idiot troll you are?

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:53 utc | 122

RE: “Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.”
Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 51
Well put. Nevertheless, I suppose we’re all suppose to be “afraid” of “WW3”, so any “compromise” will seem better than that, and of course the oil price flare up that causes global financial inflation by the boatload will be blamed on those “terrorists” instead of the FO Federal Reserve.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:53 utc | 123

RE: “Oceana has always been at war with Eurasia.”
Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 51
Well put. Nevertheless, I suppose we’re all suppose to be “afraid” of “WW3”, so any “compromise” will seem better than that, and of course the oil price flare up that causes global financial inflation by the boatload will be blamed on those “terrorists” instead of the FO Federal Reserve.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:53 utc | 124

That goes for you too Apollyon, too scared to reveal yourself as the hasbara troll you are? What are the Palestinians supposed to do, wait on their knees for a secular government to save them? It hasn’t happened for decades but it will when nutanyahoo is out of power? That’s your plan for these poor people? 🤣 🤣 🤣

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:59 utc | 125

That goes for you too Apollyon, too scared to reveal yourself as the hasbara troll you are? What are the Palestinians supposed to do, wait on their knees for a secular government to save them? It hasn’t happened for decades but it will when nutanyahoo is out of power? That’s your plan for these poor people? 🤣 🤣 🤣

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:59 utc | 126

Definitely there is a bigger play going on, as usual:
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 54
From the article, the writer notes:
It feels like the people of Israel and the people of Palestine have been sold, once again, to the higher powers that be.
That’s exactly what is happening. When this is done there will be thousands of dead Israelis and Palestinains and their deaths will have accomplished nothing. All people are expendable if their deaths can be used in any way by the people who benefit from wars.
I wonder how many dead people they’ll be able to create from this war. Its a good day to own stock in Raytheon or any other military supplier. Just look at all the people cheering for more death and slaughter. War is business and business is good.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 14:00 utc | 127

Definitely there is a bigger play going on, as usual:
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 54
From the article, the writer notes:
It feels like the people of Israel and the people of Palestine have been sold, once again, to the higher powers that be.
That’s exactly what is happening. When this is done there will be thousands of dead Israelis and Palestinains and their deaths will have accomplished nothing. All people are expendable if their deaths can be used in any way by the people who benefit from wars.
I wonder how many dead people they’ll be able to create from this war. Its a good day to own stock in Raytheon or any other military supplier. Just look at all the people cheering for more death and slaughter. War is business and business is good.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 14:00 utc | 128

Still waiting says @22 “all legitimate targets, sorry, not sorry” guy
How sad

Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 14:06 utc | 129

Still waiting says @22 “all legitimate targets, sorry, not sorry” guy
How sad

Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 14:06 utc | 130

RE: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 59
It’s an irrational theory. There are certainly enough EU, US & Canada “Zionist” to relocate and fill Ukraine. You hardly need Israel’s citizens.
No, they’ve lost the war in Ukraine, just as in Afghanistan, time to move “war theatre” to a different location & public focus. Public was tiring of that movie.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:07 utc | 131

RE: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:45 utc | 59
It’s an irrational theory. There are certainly enough EU, US & Canada “Zionist” to relocate and fill Ukraine. You hardly need Israel’s citizens.
No, they’ve lost the war in Ukraine, just as in Afghanistan, time to move “war theatre” to a different location & public focus. Public was tiring of that movie.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:07 utc | 132

It’s all very convenient. Bibi has been encountering massive, unprecedented opposition from within the Jewish population of Israel. How defuse this? A big attack by Hamas from the Gaza Strip might do the job, bring the opposition into line, by letting the Hamas forces bombard Israel with thousands of rockets, make incursions from the Gaza Strip to kill civilians by the hundred, and capture civilians and servicemen.
All this needed a massive build-up in the Gaza Strip: troops to be mobilised, rockets readied for use, etc, etc — and Israel’s world-class intelligence services didn’t notice all this? Hamas’ rag-tag army crosses the border, and the well-armed IDF just lets them do it? Tell me another!
Bibi will now have the IDF pound the Gaza Strip to rubble — and he’ll have the support of many of those who a month ago were demonstrating against him. Rally around the flag, and so on.
Clever move, Bibi!

Posted by: Dr Paul | Oct 8 2023 14:09 utc | 133

It’s all very convenient. Bibi has been encountering massive, unprecedented opposition from within the Jewish population of Israel. How defuse this? A big attack by Hamas from the Gaza Strip might do the job, bring the opposition into line, by letting the Hamas forces bombard Israel with thousands of rockets, make incursions from the Gaza Strip to kill civilians by the hundred, and capture civilians and servicemen.
All this needed a massive build-up in the Gaza Strip: troops to be mobilised, rockets readied for use, etc, etc — and Israel’s world-class intelligence services didn’t notice all this? Hamas’ rag-tag army crosses the border, and the well-armed IDF just lets them do it? Tell me another!
Bibi will now have the IDF pound the Gaza Strip to rubble — and he’ll have the support of many of those who a month ago were demonstrating against him. Rally around the flag, and so on.
Clever move, Bibi!

Posted by: Dr Paul | Oct 8 2023 14:09 utc | 134

There is no way that Mossad didn’t know about this, with all the surveillance and informers..the attack on the Al-Aqsa mosque was probably arranged too..Not sure what the goal was, but Biden already sent them $8 billion…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 135

There is no way that Mossad didn’t know about this, with all the surveillance and informers..the attack on the Al-Aqsa mosque was probably arranged too..Not sure what the goal was, but Biden already sent them $8 billion…

Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 136

RE: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 14:00 utc | 64
Well, energy sector, airplane parts, any drone companies as well as prisons. All seem lucrative futures. Just my opinion.
Oh, and any firm that buys or sells ammunition, uniform companies.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:13 utc | 137

RE: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 14:00 utc | 64
Well, energy sector, airplane parts, any drone companies as well as prisons. All seem lucrative futures. Just my opinion.
Oh, and any firm that buys or sells ammunition, uniform companies.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:13 utc | 138

Lots of cognitive disconnect today. “How could this be?” That will pass.
I think Iran & Turkiye have made a deal around the Armenian mess. Aliyev, like him or not, is no dummy.
I’d say Joe Biden and Bibi are toast, but it may take some time.
If, indeed, either one “let this happen”, it is the biggest own goal since COVID.
It is hard to attack Iran, the western and southern borders are big mountains, cruise missiles have to find a way around. Afghanistan would have been handy that way, but is no longer available. The alternative is ballistic missiles, and Iran can hit Israel or the nearby US bases(*) easily and hard that way, as they demonstrated for Trump. And they have excellent air defenses, home grown. And all of course embedded in those mountains.
(*) – another piece of strategic stupidity. “Let’s put all our bases around our enemies so they won’t have to come to us.”

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 8 2023 14:15 utc | 139

Lots of cognitive disconnect today. “How could this be?” That will pass.
I think Iran & Turkiye have made a deal around the Armenian mess. Aliyev, like him or not, is no dummy.
I’d say Joe Biden and Bibi are toast, but it may take some time.
If, indeed, either one “let this happen”, it is the biggest own goal since COVID.
It is hard to attack Iran, the western and southern borders are big mountains, cruise missiles have to find a way around. Afghanistan would have been handy that way, but is no longer available. The alternative is ballistic missiles, and Iran can hit Israel or the nearby US bases(*) easily and hard that way, as they demonstrated for Trump. And they have excellent air defenses, home grown. And all of course embedded in those mountains.
(*) – another piece of strategic stupidity. “Let’s put all our bases around our enemies so they won’t have to come to us.”

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 8 2023 14:15 utc | 140

Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5
Are you Inkan1969?

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:15 utc | 141

Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5
Are you Inkan1969?

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:15 utc | 142

This “caught them by surprise” line is simply not tenable. In Gaza every second person is an Israeli spy – Mossad has infiltrated every part of Palestinian life – nothing moves, nothing happens, that they don’t know about. That is true across the spectrum of Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, the whole area. Their human intelligence and undercover networks are all-pervasive. And that’s before the complete electronic surveillance monster they have of phones, the internet, cameras, etc,etc,etc.
This attack required significant organization over some period of time amongst the very people against whom all this surveillance is specifically targetted – and “someone” would be trying to have the World believe, “they just didn’t see this coming” !!!
Let that sink in.

Posted by: HOGGY | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 143

This “caught them by surprise” line is simply not tenable. In Gaza every second person is an Israeli spy – Mossad has infiltrated every part of Palestinian life – nothing moves, nothing happens, that they don’t know about. That is true across the spectrum of Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, the whole area. Their human intelligence and undercover networks are all-pervasive. And that’s before the complete electronic surveillance monster they have of phones, the internet, cameras, etc,etc,etc.
This attack required significant organization over some period of time amongst the very people against whom all this surveillance is specifically targetted – and “someone” would be trying to have the World believe, “they just didn’t see this coming” !!!
Let that sink in.

Posted by: HOGGY | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 144

Salaam-we need to be patient,two three days.Tik-tac@45,the most watched piece of real estate on 9/11 was?There was a breach then, what’s different now-maybe location west Asia!

Posted by: 4q8 | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 145

Salaam-we need to be patient,two three days.Tik-tac@45,the most watched piece of real estate on 9/11 was?There was a breach then, what’s different now-maybe location west Asia!

Posted by: 4q8 | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 146

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:18 utc | 45
Hello, Zionist troll. Why not just incompetence, like the failure of US weapons in Ukraine.
The Lunar New Year offensive by Vietnamese rice farmers across the border, closely watched by U.S. reconnaissance planes, must also be, according to you, a “deep government conspiracy.”

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 147

Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:18 utc | 45
Hello, Zionist troll. Why not just incompetence, like the failure of US weapons in Ukraine.
The Lunar New Year offensive by Vietnamese rice farmers across the border, closely watched by U.S. reconnaissance planes, must also be, according to you, a “deep government conspiracy.”

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:18 utc | 148

RE: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 68
Antonym referred a good link to an Israeli citizen journalist that believes what you posted as well. It’s a good well worth listening to vid.
Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 54
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:21 utc | 149

RE: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 68
Antonym referred a good link to an Israeli citizen journalist that believes what you posted as well. It’s a good well worth listening to vid.
Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:34 utc | 54
https://efrat.substack.com/p/israel-hamas-war-an-update

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:21 utc | 150

My heart is broken for the civilians.
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:19 utc | 10
Glad that you know Hamas is justified. /s

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:22 utc | 151

My heart is broken for the civilians.
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:19 utc | 10
Glad that you know Hamas is justified. /s

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:22 utc | 152

Since I have no idea what is really going on, whether it’s a false flag or not, I will say that this is a welcome distraction for the Bidet “administration” and it’s disastrous policies.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 8 2023 14:23 utc | 153

Since I have no idea what is really going on, whether it’s a false flag or not, I will say that this is a welcome distraction for the Bidet “administration” and it’s disastrous policies.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 8 2023 14:23 utc | 154

Trubind1@75…..she keeps calling the IDF the strongest army in the world, seems they got wooled over by their own bullshit.
Cheers M
Hearing reports of northern attacks from Lebanon, maybe Hezbollah?

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 8 2023 14:28 utc | 155

Trubind1@75…..she keeps calling the IDF the strongest army in the world, seems they got wooled over by their own bullshit.
Cheers M
Hearing reports of northern attacks from Lebanon, maybe Hezbollah?

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 8 2023 14:28 utc | 156

Posted by: Dr Paul | Oct 8 2023 14:09 utc | 67
Is there anything to see in the internal battles between moderate Nazis and extreme Nazis?
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:13 utc | 69
So have you joined your local BDS branch to oppose Congressional military funding of Israel? If not, you’re just whitewashing Zionism with any excuse that seems feasible if you only use it as an excuse this time. Ok, Zionist NAFO troll.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:35 utc | 157

Posted by: Dr Paul | Oct 8 2023 14:09 utc | 67
Is there anything to see in the internal battles between moderate Nazis and extreme Nazis?
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:13 utc | 69
So have you joined your local BDS branch to oppose Congressional military funding of Israel? If not, you’re just whitewashing Zionism with any excuse that seems feasible if you only use it as an excuse this time. Ok, Zionist NAFO troll.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:35 utc | 158

I see the faces of many Brothers from Yemen in the videos.
Our Yemeni fighters have been busy it seems.

Posted by: From Yemen | Oct 8 2023 14:36 utc | 159

I see the faces of many Brothers from Yemen in the videos.
Our Yemeni fighters have been busy it seems.

Posted by: From Yemen | Oct 8 2023 14:36 utc | 160

Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 14:06 utc | 65
So you have no response and it was in fact a strawman argument? Good to know hasbara troll, have fun reeeing about the “strongest military in the ME” getting humiliated (again) by lightly armed freedom fighters, sorry not sorry lmao😜

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 161

Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 14:06 utc | 65
So you have no response and it was in fact a strawman argument? Good to know hasbara troll, have fun reeeing about the “strongest military in the ME” getting humiliated (again) by lightly armed freedom fighters, sorry not sorry lmao😜

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 162

This will end. Just like 1948. And 1956 and 1967 and 1973 and 1982 and 1987-1993 and 2002 and 2005 and 2006 and 2009 and 2012 and 2014 and 2021. Just add 2023
And the bar files so drunk on hopium will wake to realization
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5
Based on the data you present it looks never-ending.
Can the zionists keep this up for the next 100 years?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 163

This will end. Just like 1948. And 1956 and 1967 and 1973 and 1982 and 1987-1993 and 2002 and 2005 and 2006 and 2009 and 2012 and 2014 and 2021. Just add 2023
And the bar files so drunk on hopium will wake to realization
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5
Based on the data you present it looks never-ending.
Can the zionists keep this up for the next 100 years?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 164

@Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 38

With a the evoking of “Pearl Harbor”… is this the global announcement that WW3 has begun?

That sounds exactly like the Kagan/Nuland gang. Remember the “Rebuilding Americas Defences” paper from 2000 by “Project For The New American Century” (PNAC) that “predicted” the 911 events by invoking Pearl Harbor?

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. http://bibliotecapleyades.lege.net/archivos_pdf/RebuildingAmericaDefenses.pdf

And by strange coincidence, a year later they got a “catastrophic and catalyzing event”,

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 8 2023 14:41 utc | 165

@Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 38

With a the evoking of “Pearl Harbor”… is this the global announcement that WW3 has begun?

That sounds exactly like the Kagan/Nuland gang. Remember the “Rebuilding Americas Defences” paper from 2000 by “Project For The New American Century” (PNAC) that “predicted” the 911 events by invoking Pearl Harbor?

Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. http://bibliotecapleyades.lege.net/archivos_pdf/RebuildingAmericaDefenses.pdf

And by strange coincidence, a year later they got a “catastrophic and catalyzing event”,

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 8 2023 14:41 utc | 166

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 51
Found many first-time posting IDs, or IDs highly similar to known NAFO troll IDs (Inkant1970 vs Inkan1969), repeating Israeli talking points in the superficial form of “anti-deep government” and “anti-war”. This must not be funded by the “Great Mossadegh”, right?
In fact, most Zionist billionaires in the US love the Secular Coalition and hate bibi, because bibi is like Trump and the Secular Coalition is like Biden. The latter does almost the same thing as the former, except the former sometimes talks about it so their program is undermined.
The analogy is even more valid considering that Israel, like the United States, is a state founded on settlement colonialism.
To say what the conspiracy of the “deep state” (i.e., the capitalist power network that dominates the U.S. government, the U.S., and the world) is really about, opposing Hamas on the pretext of supporting the secular coalition against Bibi is exactly what the deep state is about.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 167

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 51
Found many first-time posting IDs, or IDs highly similar to known NAFO troll IDs (Inkant1970 vs Inkan1969), repeating Israeli talking points in the superficial form of “anti-deep government” and “anti-war”. This must not be funded by the “Great Mossadegh”, right?
In fact, most Zionist billionaires in the US love the Secular Coalition and hate bibi, because bibi is like Trump and the Secular Coalition is like Biden. The latter does almost the same thing as the former, except the former sometimes talks about it so their program is undermined.
The analogy is even more valid considering that Israel, like the United States, is a state founded on settlement colonialism.
To say what the conspiracy of the “deep state” (i.e., the capitalist power network that dominates the U.S. government, the U.S., and the world) is really about, opposing Hamas on the pretext of supporting the secular coalition against Bibi is exactly what the deep state is about.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 168

Paragliders, golf carts, bulldozers, motorcycles, dozens of armed muscle in pickup trucks who stopped, inter alia, to pose with Israeli settler grandmothers in their settler retirement homes, as opposed to keeping a life or death watch on their environment at all times while in enemy territory. Why were so many of the Hamas insurgents so dark of skin they could positively be described as ‘black,’ as though they were deliberately chosen to contrast with the pasty white settlers’ skin tones to the maximum degree? The massacre of kids at the desert rave by paragliding terrorists. All this and more is so exceedingly surreal because not only did IDF not stop this light unarmored assault in real time, they really only responded in sufficient force many hours later, thereby effectively allowing for maximum number of Israeli casualties. Is it possible that IDF unleashed this most lightly armoured of beasts upon itself, a horde of primitively vehiculed Mad Max thugs, out of some form of political expediency?

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 169

Paragliders, golf carts, bulldozers, motorcycles, dozens of armed muscle in pickup trucks who stopped, inter alia, to pose with Israeli settler grandmothers in their settler retirement homes, as opposed to keeping a life or death watch on their environment at all times while in enemy territory. Why were so many of the Hamas insurgents so dark of skin they could positively be described as ‘black,’ as though they were deliberately chosen to contrast with the pasty white settlers’ skin tones to the maximum degree? The massacre of kids at the desert rave by paragliding terrorists. All this and more is so exceedingly surreal because not only did IDF not stop this light unarmored assault in real time, they really only responded in sufficient force many hours later, thereby effectively allowing for maximum number of Israeli casualties. Is it possible that IDF unleashed this most lightly armoured of beasts upon itself, a horde of primitively vehiculed Mad Max thugs, out of some form of political expediency?

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 170

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 81
If he really is Inkan1969, then not only is he clearly breaking the rules of MoA, but he’s also acutally a NAFO troll.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:47 utc | 171

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 14:38 utc | 81
If he really is Inkan1969, then not only is he clearly breaking the rules of MoA, but he’s also acutally a NAFO troll.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:47 utc | 172

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:11 utc | 43
Religious institutions generally serve as the propaganda arm of the ruling class. It is only in modern times that secularist newspapers have partially replaced them.
Indeed, religious institutions have long operated in a manner similar to multi-level marketing scams or other companies that rely on advertising to point out the sale of high-value-added products. Arguably, Catholicism was the first big multinational corporation.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:50 utc | 173

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:11 utc | 43
Religious institutions generally serve as the propaganda arm of the ruling class. It is only in modern times that secularist newspapers have partially replaced them.
Indeed, religious institutions have long operated in a manner similar to multi-level marketing scams or other companies that rely on advertising to point out the sale of high-value-added products. Arguably, Catholicism was the first big multinational corporation.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:50 utc | 174

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 85
Have you ever heard of what it means to be photo editing and video editing?
Zionists need to make settlers look pale to elicit white sympathy and Hamas resistance guerrillas look dark to elicit anti-black racist sentiment.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:53 utc | 175

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 8 2023 14:43 utc | 85
Have you ever heard of what it means to be photo editing and video editing?
Zionists need to make settlers look pale to elicit white sympathy and Hamas resistance guerrillas look dark to elicit anti-black racist sentiment.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 14:53 utc | 176

So, how does this theory sound:
SA/Israel/US: Normalization requires Israel 2 State Solution.
Nuttyahoo agrees, but will be unable to move current right wingers.
SA meets with Iran: Here’s the “deal”…
Iran sets Hamas dogs loose.
UNSC UN: Final solution must be enforced. 2 State solution.
Out of “Bibis hands”… Gantz opposition party recently joined BiBi… why? Needs coalition & agreed to turn on right wingers.
BiBi gets Gaza… West Bank to PLA & no “final solution” to Temple or East Jerusalem as “capital”, but State formed anyways.
Another indicator: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israels-finance-minister-now-governs-west-bank-critics-103176908
Why worry about “physical” control of West Bank when you have financial control over everything in West Bank.
You get rid of Hamas, gain Gaza and additional sea port, & build all your future settlements there instead of West Bank expansion. A compromise even right wingers may agree to.
Everybody’s happy, Arabs can’t scream “Palestine” anymore, no “militants” on your border. International community gets the long awaited UNSC resolve of 2 state solution. Trade $$$ and oil flow… everyone happy.
Question is: is Iran in agreement with Saudi? I absolutely believe they are. I believe the agreements were signed and sealed b4 this “unprecedented” assault.
The wild card for me: Hezbollah

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 177

So, how does this theory sound:
SA/Israel/US: Normalization requires Israel 2 State Solution.
Nuttyahoo agrees, but will be unable to move current right wingers.
SA meets with Iran: Here’s the “deal”…
Iran sets Hamas dogs loose.
UNSC UN: Final solution must be enforced. 2 State solution.
Out of “Bibis hands”… Gantz opposition party recently joined BiBi… why? Needs coalition & agreed to turn on right wingers.
BiBi gets Gaza… West Bank to PLA & no “final solution” to Temple or East Jerusalem as “capital”, but State formed anyways.
Another indicator: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/israels-finance-minister-now-governs-west-bank-critics-103176908
Why worry about “physical” control of West Bank when you have financial control over everything in West Bank.
You get rid of Hamas, gain Gaza and additional sea port, & build all your future settlements there instead of West Bank expansion. A compromise even right wingers may agree to.
Everybody’s happy, Arabs can’t scream “Palestine” anymore, no “militants” on your border. International community gets the long awaited UNSC resolve of 2 state solution. Trade $$$ and oil flow… everyone happy.
Question is: is Iran in agreement with Saudi? I absolutely believe they are. I believe the agreements were signed and sealed b4 this “unprecedented” assault.
The wild card for me: Hezbollah

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 178

“This ignominious, unprovoked, and barbaric attack on Israel must be met with world condemnation and unequivocal support for the Jewish state’s right to self-defense,” tweeted presidential candidate Robert F Kennedy Jr.
from Caitlin Johnstone. yeah right this guy is just another fake.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 179

“This ignominious, unprovoked, and barbaric attack on Israel must be met with world condemnation and unequivocal support for the Jewish state’s right to self-defense,” tweeted presidential candidate Robert F Kennedy Jr.
from Caitlin Johnstone. yeah right this guy is just another fake.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 180

Le ministre de la défense israélien vient de déclarer que l’iran venait de déclarer la guerre à Israël.
Comme je le disais, cette affaire ressemble beaucoup au 11 septembre. Les services secrets Israeliens ne pouvaient pas ne pas savoir ce qui se préparait et ont sûrement aidé le HAMAS par des moyens détournés.
Le but de tout cela est de trouver un prétexte pour frapper l’Iran. Cette opération conjointe avec les américains était prévue de longue date. Nous n’auront plus longtemps à attendre.
Les Israeliens vont ouvrir la boîte de Pandore et déclencher la 3 ème guerre mondiale

Posted by: Hares | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 181

Le ministre de la défense israélien vient de déclarer que l’iran venait de déclarer la guerre à Israël.
Comme je le disais, cette affaire ressemble beaucoup au 11 septembre. Les services secrets Israeliens ne pouvaient pas ne pas savoir ce qui se préparait et ont sûrement aidé le HAMAS par des moyens détournés.
Le but de tout cela est de trouver un prétexte pour frapper l’Iran. Cette opération conjointe avec les américains était prévue de longue date. Nous n’auront plus longtemps à attendre.
Les Israeliens vont ouvrir la boîte de Pandore et déclencher la 3 ème guerre mondiale

Posted by: Hares | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 182

Zelensky has a trump card up his sleeve: to urgently rename Ukraine into Israel, and the AFU into the IDF.
You know what I mean.
I think the Khokhls will gladly agree to call themselves Jews by splitting their saddles in two and renaming the PCU “churches” into synagogues. Epifan will become Chief Rabbi, and the Verkhovna Rada will become the Knesset.
– Slavyangrad

Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 14:55 utc | 183

Zelensky has a trump card up his sleeve: to urgently rename Ukraine into Israel, and the AFU into the IDF.
You know what I mean.
I think the Khokhls will gladly agree to call themselves Jews by splitting their saddles in two and renaming the PCU “churches” into synagogues. Epifan will become Chief Rabbi, and the Verkhovna Rada will become the Knesset.
– Slavyangrad

Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 14:55 utc | 184

My heart is broken for the civilians.
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:19 utc | 10
Huh.
When it comes to the Zionist state and its “citizens” who are illegal settlers in occupied territory, glorifying in and profiting from and participating in the looting and thievery in Palestine—not to mention the daily humiliation and injury and murder of Palestinians—the line between Zionist civilians and Zionist military is pretty fuzzy.
Zionist civilians are not victims. They are Mitlaufer. To the extent that they act as “anchor citizens” in territory to which they have ZERO right—even under the distorted notions of “rights” within Palestine—they are active perpetrators of the genocidal intentions of the Zionist state.
If all Germans are equally guilty of the crimes of the Third Reich, then all Jews and especially Israelis are equally guilty of the crimes of the Zionist state.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 185

My heart is broken for the civilians.
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:19 utc | 10
Huh.
When it comes to the Zionist state and its “citizens” who are illegal settlers in occupied territory, glorifying in and profiting from and participating in the looting and thievery in Palestine—not to mention the daily humiliation and injury and murder of Palestinians—the line between Zionist civilians and Zionist military is pretty fuzzy.
Zionist civilians are not victims. They are Mitlaufer. To the extent that they act as “anchor citizens” in territory to which they have ZERO right—even under the distorted notions of “rights” within Palestine—they are active perpetrators of the genocidal intentions of the Zionist state.
If all Germans are equally guilty of the crimes of the Third Reich, then all Jews and especially Israelis are equally guilty of the crimes of the Zionist state.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 186

There is no way that Mossad didn’t know about this, with all the surveillance and ..
Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 68
There has been several purges in the ranks of Islamic Jihad over the last few years since the last major conflagration.
I believe this has had an impact on israeli intelligence handling and interpretation.
But I believe the bigger problem for israeli military intelligence is that of “background noise” created by a constant state of war:

Live in a constant state of heightened alert,
Always expecting an attack from gaza or jenin or Lebanon,
Politicise it at every opportunity,
Demanding ever more vigilance,
panicking at every false flag,
Dial the paranoia up to max

In the end it all becomes one big ongoing terror scare and the details become superfluous to the point that real movements of the enemy become indistinguishable from potential ones …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 14:59 utc | 187

There is no way that Mossad didn’t know about this, with all the surveillance and ..
Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 8 2023 14:10 utc | 68
There has been several purges in the ranks of Islamic Jihad over the last few years since the last major conflagration.
I believe this has had an impact on israeli intelligence handling and interpretation.
But I believe the bigger problem for israeli military intelligence is that of “background noise” created by a constant state of war:

Live in a constant state of heightened alert,
Always expecting an attack from gaza or jenin or Lebanon,
Politicise it at every opportunity,
Demanding ever more vigilance,
panicking at every false flag,
Dial the paranoia up to max

In the end it all becomes one big ongoing terror scare and the details become superfluous to the point that real movements of the enemy become indistinguishable from potential ones …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 14:59 utc | 188

The Pope – has issued a prayer for peace in Israel and Palestine: I follow with concern and pain what is happening in Israel, where violence has erupted with even greater intensity, resulting in hundreds of dead and wounded.
Oops!
Jerusalem might become a Muslim city…

Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 15:02 utc | 189

The Pope – has issued a prayer for peace in Israel and Palestine: I follow with concern and pain what is happening in Israel, where violence has erupted with even greater intensity, resulting in hundreds of dead and wounded.
Oops!
Jerusalem might become a Muslim city…

Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 15:02 utc | 190

“A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains–let not the contemptible eunuchs tell us that they are equals before a court of morality!”—Leon Trotsky, 1938
“To Rebel Is Justified”—Mao Zedong, 1966
Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 93
The Zionist equivalent is the claim that the Nazis were rationalized because anti-Nazi partisans sometimes killed German “citizens” who were settling and colonizing the occupied territories.
However, it is nice that he later admitted that his total emotional lack of support for Iraqis, Syrians and Afghans confirmed his racist bias: in favour of settler colonizers who converted to Judaism in Europe, and against the descendants of the earliest believers in Judaism from the biblical kingdoms of Judea and Israel.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 15:04 utc | 191

“A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains–let not the contemptible eunuchs tell us that they are equals before a court of morality!”—Leon Trotsky, 1938
“To Rebel Is Justified”—Mao Zedong, 1966
Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 93
The Zionist equivalent is the claim that the Nazis were rationalized because anti-Nazi partisans sometimes killed German “citizens” who were settling and colonizing the occupied territories.
However, it is nice that he later admitted that his total emotional lack of support for Iraqis, Syrians and Afghans confirmed his racist bias: in favour of settler colonizers who converted to Judaism in Europe, and against the descendants of the earliest believers in Judaism from the biblical kingdoms of Judea and Israel.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 15:04 utc | 192

Posted by: BobM | Oct 8 2023 12:05 utc | 2
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
100% correct.

Posted by: AI | Oct 8 2023 15:05 utc | 193

Posted by: BobM | Oct 8 2023 12:05 utc | 2
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
100% correct.

Posted by: AI | Oct 8 2023 15:05 utc | 194

Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 93
Bingo!
The settlers make much about how every one of them is a trained soldier from childhood and then they turn around and claim they have “civilians” when they get hit.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 15:06 utc | 195

Posted by: Jane | Oct 8 2023 14:56 utc | 93
Bingo!
The settlers make much about how every one of them is a trained soldier from childhood and then they turn around and claim they have “civilians” when they get hit.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 8 2023 15:06 utc | 196

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 90
He’s just another controlled opposition.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 15:06 utc | 197

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 14:54 utc | 90
He’s just another controlled opposition.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 8 2023 15:06 utc | 198

Well, it can be both a false flag and a failure of intelligence. Encouraging and letting in a few dozen “militants” might have been the plan, but if the few dozen turned into several hundred with better arms and planning than accounted for, then it turns into an “oh shit, what have we done?” moment. Big job now for the propagandists to manage this positively for the Israeli government and Western consumption. After all, if Ukrainians can use any means to resist occupiers, why not other peoples?

Posted by: decorum | Oct 8 2023 15:07 utc | 199

Well, it can be both a false flag and a failure of intelligence. Encouraging and letting in a few dozen “militants” might have been the plan, but if the few dozen turned into several hundred with better arms and planning than accounted for, then it turns into an “oh shit, what have we done?” moment. Big job now for the propagandists to manage this positively for the Israeli government and Western consumption. After all, if Ukrainians can use any means to resist occupiers, why not other peoples?

Posted by: decorum | Oct 8 2023 15:07 utc | 200