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October 8, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-234
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I am still confused by the objective of this attack. I have full sympathy with the Palestinian cause, and it was just a matter of time before we would see another uprising. Just wondering if this attack is more coordinated with other players of if its just Hammas acting alone.
Posted by: Khan | Oct 8 2023 12:03 utc | 1
I am still confused by the objective of this attack. I have full sympathy with the Palestinian cause, and it was just a matter of time before we would see another uprising. Just wondering if this attack is more coordinated with other players of if its just Hammas acting alone.
Posted by: Khan | Oct 8 2023 12:03 utc | 2
Isn’t it funny how just as Israeli society is tearing itself apart and appeared close to civil war, this attack comes along and within hours Netanyahu’s political opponents are forced into a coalition government to support him?
I take nothing away from the bravery of the Hamas soldiers who are fighting in this battle, but it is simply not credible that Hamas could have done this… The Gaza fence is in open country with little to conceal advancing Hamas units, and we are talking about hundreds of Hamas soldiers moving across the border. Where were all the IDF units who normally man and monitor this border fence? What happened to the surveillance of the border fence? What about the sensors? What happened to the vaunted IDF air defenses that were overwhelmed by Homemade hang gliders powered by lawn mower engines and box fans?
We are hearing rumors that Iran conducted a cyber attack that took down the electronic surveillance of the border fence, but did the Iranians also order the removal of IDF units that apparently left the Israeli border towns utterly defenseless? It seems much more likely that Netanyahu orchestrated this as an easy way to solve his political problems while also providing a pretext for the IDF to finish the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and perhaps the West Bank as well.
Posted by: BobM | Oct 8 2023 12:05 utc | 3
Isn’t it funny how just as Israeli society is tearing itself apart and appeared close to civil war, this attack comes along and within hours Netanyahu’s political opponents are forced into a coalition government to support him?
I take nothing away from the bravery of the Hamas soldiers who are fighting in this battle, but it is simply not credible that Hamas could have done this… The Gaza fence is in open country with little to conceal advancing Hamas units, and we are talking about hundreds of Hamas soldiers moving across the border. Where were all the IDF units who normally man and monitor this border fence? What happened to the surveillance of the border fence? What about the sensors? What happened to the vaunted IDF air defenses that were overwhelmed by Homemade hang gliders powered by lawn mower engines and box fans?
We are hearing rumors that Iran conducted a cyber attack that took down the electronic surveillance of the border fence, but did the Iranians also order the removal of IDF units that apparently left the Israeli border towns utterly defenseless? It seems much more likely that Netanyahu orchestrated this as an easy way to solve his political problems while also providing a pretext for the IDF to finish the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and perhaps the West Bank as well.
Posted by: BobM | Oct 8 2023 12:05 utc | 4
How have the Palestine fighters put one over on the Israeli intel cats that are well-known for their knowing everything that goes on everywhere?
Posted by: ERing46Z | Oct 8 2023 12:06 utc | 5
How have the Palestine fighters put one over on the Israeli intel cats that are well-known for their knowing everything that goes on everywhere?
Posted by: ERing46Z | Oct 8 2023 12:06 utc | 6
Israel is moving armor and soldiers in to counter hamas
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 8 2023 12:06 utc | 7
Israel is moving armor and soldiers in to counter hamas
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 8 2023 12:06 utc | 8
This will end. Just like 1948. And 1956 and 1967 and 1973 and 1982 and 1987-1993 and 2002 and 2005 and 2006 and 2009 and 2012 and 2014 and 2021. Just add 2023
And the bar files so drunk on hopium will wake to realization that Israel still exists.
Queue the rage in 3’ 2’ 1……..
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 9
This will end. Just like 1948. And 1956 and 1967 and 1973 and 1982 and 1987-1993 and 2002 and 2005 and 2006 and 2009 and 2012 and 2014 and 2021. Just add 2023
And the bar files so drunk on hopium will wake to realization that Israel still exists.
Queue the rage in 3’ 2’ 1……..
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 10
Holy shit are the hasbara trolls big mad🤣
NOW they care about dead children and raped women, boohoo, what’s good for the goose and all that. Good luck to Hamas and Palistine from this Swiss jew.
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 12:12 utc | 11
Holy shit are the hasbara trolls big mad🤣
NOW they care about dead children and raped women, boohoo, what’s good for the goose and all that. Good luck to Hamas and Palistine from this Swiss jew.
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 12:12 utc | 12
Norm Finkelstein wil have a podcast at 3pm EST
https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/special-emergency-podcast-on-gaza
Posted by: AG | Oct 8 2023 12:15 utc | 13
Norm Finkelstein wil have a podcast at 3pm EST
https://normanfinkelstein.substack.com/p/special-emergency-podcast-on-gaza
Posted by: AG | Oct 8 2023 12:15 utc | 14
Paragliders riding on Kataib al-Qassam managed to carry out a successful aerial operation over the “Taslim Military Base” in the city of Beersheba, 40 kilometers away from Gaza.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1710989486736155070
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 8 2023 12:15 utc | 15
Paragliders riding on Kataib al-Qassam managed to carry out a successful aerial operation over the “Taslim Military Base” in the city of Beersheba, 40 kilometers away from Gaza.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1710989486736155070
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 8 2023 12:15 utc | 16
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5
Stop with the strawman, no one’s saying Israel won’t exist. They will be humiliated (again). If fact they already have.
Strongest military in the ME 🤣
Irondome 🤣
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 12:17 utc | 17
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5
Stop with the strawman, no one’s saying Israel won’t exist. They will be humiliated (again). If fact they already have.
Strongest military in the ME 🤣
Irondome 🤣
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 12:17 utc | 18
My god, several “road of death” videos on TG with massive (100s) amounts of civilian cars shot up, e.g. near Sderod, or Reim… Disturbing. I know about the complexity of conflicts, but still. My heart is broken for the civilians.
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:19 utc | 19
My god, several “road of death” videos on TG with massive (100s) amounts of civilian cars shot up, e.g. near Sderod, or Reim… Disturbing. I know about the complexity of conflicts, but still. My heart is broken for the civilians.
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:19 utc | 20
Openly spitting on churches In the Holy lands is a sign of the despiritualisation they attempt.
When in control of whole countries like Soviet union they deploy athesism or secularity in the West.
This lack of a defense mechanism allows after a period for poison to be poured in whether economic marxism or political.
Freely attacking norms of masculinity, femininity, sexuality and gender.
Avarice and unbounded collectivism are leading to their full spectrum collapse. The battle is not yet over… Amen.
Today we are all Palestinian for tomorrow Palestine would be us.
Posted by: phenon | Oct 8 2023 12:23 utc | 25
Openly spitting on churches In the Holy lands is a sign of the despiritualisation they attempt.
When in control of whole countries like Soviet union they deploy athesism or secularity in the West.
This lack of a defense mechanism allows after a period for poison to be poured in whether economic marxism or political.
Freely attacking norms of masculinity, femininity, sexuality and gender.
Avarice and unbounded collectivism are leading to their full spectrum collapse. The battle is not yet over… Amen.
Today we are all Palestinian for tomorrow Palestine would be us.
Posted by: phenon | Oct 8 2023 12:23 utc | 26
RE: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5
Of course it’s going to “end”… guess I missed the point if you have one. That Israel will “exist”? Think that too is a given. Truth be told, no one really gives a crap about Israel. Other than the political US realm that takes millions of lobbying $$$ every year from this Foreign entity, when it stops paying to play, it too will be left in the dust by US politicians.
There are people, who understand we are in an oil vs. banker war, gosh… a global financial collapse could be in the realm of possibility should oil shoot to $300 a barrel.
I wonder who might think that’s a good idea?
As I stated, no one… zero nada… gives a crap about UK puppet Israel.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 12:26 utc | 27
RE: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5
Of course it’s going to “end”… guess I missed the point if you have one. That Israel will “exist”? Think that too is a given. Truth be told, no one really gives a crap about Israel. Other than the political US realm that takes millions of lobbying $$$ every year from this Foreign entity, when it stops paying to play, it too will be left in the dust by US politicians.
There are people, who understand we are in an oil vs. banker war, gosh… a global financial collapse could be in the realm of possibility should oil shoot to $300 a barrel.
I wonder who might think that’s a good idea?
As I stated, no one… zero nada… gives a crap about UK puppet Israel.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 12:26 utc | 28
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:21 utc | 11
I read every single one. Post a single one of someone claiming Israel won’t exist as a result of this war. I’ll wait.
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 29
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:21 utc | 11
I read every single one. Post a single one of someone claiming Israel won’t exist as a result of this war. I’ll wait.
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 30
@Tortuosit
“My god, several “road of death” videos on TG with massive (100s) amounts of civilian cars shot up, e.g. near Sderod, or Reim… Disturbing. I know about the complexity of conflicts, but still. My heart is broken for the civilians.”
So according to the logic of some users here, you are Zionist scum. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 31
@Tortuosit
“My god, several “road of death” videos on TG with massive (100s) amounts of civilian cars shot up, e.g. near Sderod, or Reim… Disturbing. I know about the complexity of conflicts, but still. My heart is broken for the civilians.”
So according to the logic of some users here, you are Zionist scum. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 32
The question that needs to be asked, given the pictures of the incursion, literally a JCV knocking down the border wall and dozens of guys who don’t even have any guns (They don’t even seem to have guns when they film themselves walking around an Israeli military post complete with an abandoned tank!) themselves walking in without response somehow killing hundreds of people, (The Israelis are now claiming over 600 but given that just flat out lying is an accepted part of their worldview knowing that the later reports if any on their lies will not have the same penetration as their original lies, who knows) did the Netanyahu government allow this to happen? It’s inconceivable that even if this attack was effectively instigated on the spur of the moment (Which it could well have been, this might be the only way they feel they can plan these things given the ubiquity of Israeli informants) the approach of such a large numbers of men could not have gone unnoticed (The Israelis are claiming their surveillance systems were “jammed” but that surely implies a security situation by itself) and the incredibly delayed response was shocking. Given that the longer, larger and more bloody the incursion was the better for Netanyahu and the more extreme agendas among the Israeli military and Mossad, the question needs to be asked in light of the strange ease Hamas had in this along with the timing. (It hardly seems completely out of the question too that some of the killings were carried out as a false flag by the Mossad themselves)
If Netanyahu chooses to use this to expand to a war on Iran, as the language about “Pearl Harbour” seems to indicate, will the US even by able to come to their aid even if they want to?
The background to all this is what I’ve been saying for a while, the neocons have overreached in Ukraine, since the proxy war with Russia in Ukraine was a war that you daren’t win (Russia has thousands of ICBMs) or daren’t lose (You lose your hegemonic legitimacy) it never made sense to instigate it, the neocons were just like the scorpion on the frog, they couldn’t help themselves, they didn’t know what else to do. Now that US economic and military hegemony has been shattered, the falcon no longer hears the falconer, what will the neocons and Israelis do? If you have a depreciating asset in your golem of the US military, your instinct might be to use it while you can. The Biden white house is, inexplicably to anyone from before 2016, the most neocon infested of all time, there is a big chance this admin won’t win the next election and the next, be it RJK Jr or Trump won’t be inclined to fight more wars in the Middle East for you. What do they have to lose in trying to kick things off now? Particularly since Netanyahu is under the biggest domestic threat since his trial and a war will shield him from attack and increase his popularity.
This is what concerns me. They may also attempt to engage in a massive expropriation of the Palestinians but this isn’t 2006, social media has made the MSM no longer able to gate keep for you. This will be the first big Israeli war crime season since the “great awokening” in 2014. Bari Weiss resigned from the NYT to warn her fellow Zionists about this. They won’t be able to get away with it in the same way.
Posted by: Altai | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 33
The question that needs to be asked, given the pictures of the incursion, literally a JCV knocking down the border wall and dozens of guys who don’t even have any guns (They don’t even seem to have guns when they film themselves walking around an Israeli military post complete with an abandoned tank!) themselves walking in without response somehow killing hundreds of people, (The Israelis are now claiming over 600 but given that just flat out lying is an accepted part of their worldview knowing that the later reports if any on their lies will not have the same penetration as their original lies, who knows) did the Netanyahu government allow this to happen? It’s inconceivable that even if this attack was effectively instigated on the spur of the moment (Which it could well have been, this might be the only way they feel they can plan these things given the ubiquity of Israeli informants) the approach of such a large numbers of men could not have gone unnoticed (The Israelis are claiming their surveillance systems were “jammed” but that surely implies a security situation by itself) and the incredibly delayed response was shocking. Given that the longer, larger and more bloody the incursion was the better for Netanyahu and the more extreme agendas among the Israeli military and Mossad, the question needs to be asked in light of the strange ease Hamas had in this along with the timing. (It hardly seems completely out of the question too that some of the killings were carried out as a false flag by the Mossad themselves)
If Netanyahu chooses to use this to expand to a war on Iran, as the language about “Pearl Harbour” seems to indicate, will the US even by able to come to their aid even if they want to?
The background to all this is what I’ve been saying for a while, the neocons have overreached in Ukraine, since the proxy war with Russia in Ukraine was a war that you daren’t win (Russia has thousands of ICBMs) or daren’t lose (You lose your hegemonic legitimacy) it never made sense to instigate it, the neocons were just like the scorpion on the frog, they couldn’t help themselves, they didn’t know what else to do. Now that US economic and military hegemony has been shattered, the falcon no longer hears the falconer, what will the neocons and Israelis do? If you have a depreciating asset in your golem of the US military, your instinct might be to use it while you can. The Biden white house is, inexplicably to anyone from before 2016, the most neocon infested of all time, there is a big chance this admin won’t win the next election and the next, be it RJK Jr or Trump won’t be inclined to fight more wars in the Middle East for you. What do they have to lose in trying to kick things off now? Particularly since Netanyahu is under the biggest domestic threat since his trial and a war will shield him from attack and increase his popularity.
This is what concerns me. They may also attempt to engage in a massive expropriation of the Palestinians but this isn’t 2006, social media has made the MSM no longer able to gate keep for you. This will be the first big Israeli war crime season since the “great awokening” in 2014. Bari Weiss resigned from the NYT to warn her fellow Zionists about this. They won’t be able to get away with it in the same way.
Posted by: Altai | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 34
My heart is broken for the civilians.
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:19 utc | 10
Was your heart broken for the Palestinians who’ve been slaughtered every week for decades? For Irakis?
Posted by: Michael A | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 35
My heart is broken for the civilians.
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:19 utc | 10
Was your heart broken for the Palestinians who’ve been slaughtered every week for decades? For Irakis?
Posted by: Michael A | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 36
Seems like the dead woman with the dreadlocks on the Hamas pick up truck, with apparently broken legs and arms, is German: https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/mutter-bangt-um-leben-ihrer-tochter-shani-22-hamas-barbaren-verschleppen-deutsch-85670640.bild.html
https://t.me/myLordBebo/9101
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 12:34 utc | 37
Seems like the dead woman with the dreadlocks on the Hamas pick up truck, with apparently broken legs and arms, is German: https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/mutter-bangt-um-leben-ihrer-tochter-shani-22-hamas-barbaren-verschleppen-deutsch-85670640.bild.html
https://t.me/myLordBebo/9101
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 12:34 utc | 38
Its been a little depressing watching the people who saw the puppeteers behind the Ukraine war fail to see them pulling the same strings in this war. The Globalists want a one world government they control. They’ve chosen to effectuate this plan through chaos including war, bioweapons and fear rather than with persuasion.
One goal of the Globalists is to depopulate the world to a number they believe is manageable. Neverending war helps achieve that goal. Whether its Ukrainians and Russians dying or Israelis and Palestinians dying its all the same. People cheering the slaughter of Palestinians or Israelis are really just cheering for their Globalist masters. Yay more war and dead people! Its sickening how people fall for the same thing over and over again.
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 12:36 utc | 39
Its been a little depressing watching the people who saw the puppeteers behind the Ukraine war fail to see them pulling the same strings in this war. The Globalists want a one world government they control. They’ve chosen to effectuate this plan through chaos including war, bioweapons and fear rather than with persuasion.
One goal of the Globalists is to depopulate the world to a number they believe is manageable. Neverending war helps achieve that goal. Whether its Ukrainians and Russians dying or Israelis and Palestinians dying its all the same. People cheering the slaughter of Palestinians or Israelis are really just cheering for their Globalist masters. Yay more war and dead people! Its sickening how people fall for the same thing over and over again.
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 8 2023 12:36 utc | 40
Posted by: Michael A | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 18
“Was your heart broken for the Palestinians who’ve been slaughtered every week for decades? For Irakis?”
I’m asking the same question over and over again, e.g. when it comes to Donezk citizens.
We both know, as human beings we feel sorry for others by heart if we can witness the situation. Be it directly or by media footage. And we both know the underlying problem is the control over pictures.
To answer your question 🍻: Only on an intellectual level, not heartfelt, because of the lack of footage (that approached me).
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:37 utc | 41
Posted by: Michael A | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 18
“Was your heart broken for the Palestinians who’ve been slaughtered every week for decades? For Irakis?”
I’m asking the same question over and over again, e.g. when it comes to Donezk citizens.
We both know, as human beings we feel sorry for others by heart if we can witness the situation. Be it directly or by media footage. And we both know the underlying problem is the control over pictures.
To answer your question 🍻: Only on an intellectual level, not heartfelt, because of the lack of footage (that approached me).
Posted by: Tortuosit | Oct 8 2023 12:37 utc | 42
As Kira Nerys (the terrorist in Star Trek DS9) said when being accused of killing innocents (who were occupying her homeland), “all legitimate targets”. Sorry not sorry!
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 12:38 utc | 43
As Kira Nerys (the terrorist in Star Trek DS9) said when being accused of killing innocents (who were occupying her homeland), “all legitimate targets”. Sorry not sorry!
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 12:38 utc | 44
“This will end. Just like 1948. And 1956 and 1967 and 1973 and 1982 and 1987-1993 and 2002 and 2005 and 2006 and 2009 and 2012 and 2014 and 2021. Just add 2023
And the bar files so drunk on hopium will wake to realization that Israel still exists.
Queue the rage in 3’ 2’ 1……..
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5”
I count 14 wars or uprisings in 75 years. That’s not sustainable in the long term, let alone healthy.
A possibly apocryphal story from some years ago: an Israeli and an Arab diplomat were discussing the history of Arab-Israeli conflicts. The Israeli boasted “we keep winning but you keep coming back for more.” The Arab replied “You have to win every time, we only have to win once.”
No rage, just sadness.
Posted by: Beat me, Daddy, 8 | Oct 8 2023 12:38 utc | 45
“This will end. Just like 1948. And 1956 and 1967 and 1973 and 1982 and 1987-1993 and 2002 and 2005 and 2006 and 2009 and 2012 and 2014 and 2021. Just add 2023
And the bar files so drunk on hopium will wake to realization that Israel still exists.
Queue the rage in 3’ 2’ 1……..
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 8 2023 12:07 utc | 5”
I count 14 wars or uprisings in 75 years. That’s not sustainable in the long term, let alone healthy.
A possibly apocryphal story from some years ago: an Israeli and an Arab diplomat were discussing the history of Arab-Israeli conflicts. The Israeli boasted “we keep winning but you keep coming back for more.” The Arab replied “You have to win every time, we only have to win once.”
No rage, just sadness.
Posted by: Beat me, Daddy, 8 | Oct 8 2023 12:38 utc | 46
Hamas to announce number of Israeli prisoners within hours
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 8 2023 12:41 utc | 47
Hamas to announce number of Israeli prisoners within hours
Posted by: circumspect | Oct 8 2023 12:41 utc | 48
Destruction in Tel Aviv
https://youtu.be/no1RR_RZ8L4?feature=shared
Posted by: Winston, journalist | Oct 8 2023 12:50 utc | 51
Destruction in Tel Aviv
https://youtu.be/no1RR_RZ8L4?feature=shared
Posted by: Winston, journalist | Oct 8 2023 12:50 utc | 52
Posted by: phenon | Oct 8 2023 12:23 utc | 13
this has nothing to do with marxism or with lack of religion. I’m sure the Israelis that occupied the mosque were full of good old fashioned religion
Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 12:52 utc | 53
Posted by: phenon | Oct 8 2023 12:23 utc | 13
this has nothing to do with marxism or with lack of religion. I’m sure the Israelis that occupied the mosque were full of good old fashioned religion
Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 12:52 utc | 54
Stupid Jews are to blame for themselves, they created the apartheid regime, built Nazi reservation ghettos and
for many years they oppressed the Palestinians by destroying their homes and seizing land. How should Palestinians treat Jews after these crimes? By the way, surprise, Ukrainian Nazis supported the Nazi Jews. Ask the question why Jews were hated for thousands of years? Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians, Romans. The list goes on and on.
Unfortunately, the Jews will suppress this rebellion and destroy thousands of Palestinians in retaliation with the approval of Western assholes, just as the Ukrainians did with their population in the east. Unless neighboring Arab countries intervene, but they are cowards and puppets.
Posted by: Psycho | Oct 8 2023 12:55 utc | 55
Stupid Jews are to blame for themselves, they created the apartheid regime, built Nazi reservation ghettos and
for many years they oppressed the Palestinians by destroying their homes and seizing land. How should Palestinians treat Jews after these crimes? By the way, surprise, Ukrainian Nazis supported the Nazi Jews. Ask the question why Jews were hated for thousands of years? Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians, Romans. The list goes on and on.
Unfortunately, the Jews will suppress this rebellion and destroy thousands of Palestinians in retaliation with the approval of Western assholes, just as the Ukrainians did with their population in the east. Unless neighboring Arab countries intervene, but they are cowards and puppets.
Posted by: Psycho | Oct 8 2023 12:55 utc | 56
Information is hard to come by anyway, and in war it is even worse.
Here are some sources worth having in mind. I am looking at them for the first time:
https://english.almayadeen.net/
https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/
https://english.ahram.org.eg/
Posted by: JB | Oct 8 2023 12:56 utc | 57
Information is hard to come by anyway, and in war it is even worse.
Here are some sources worth having in mind. I am looking at them for the first time:
https://english.almayadeen.net/
https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/
https://english.ahram.org.eg/
Posted by: JB | Oct 8 2023 12:56 utc | 58
Something smells a little fishy about this entire operation
Is it the 50th anniversary of the surprise attack by Egypt?
Why is footage of a motorized paraglider all of a sudden some kind of military genius
Given the fact that Hamas is closely linked to Israeli military intelligence it’s difficult to believe that this is a complete surprise
Although I have not looked at all that much footage quite a bit of it looks ridiculous
The timing certainly could not be better for the current Prime Minister and his cabinet
Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 8 2023 12:58 utc | 59
Something smells a little fishy about this entire operation
Is it the 50th anniversary of the surprise attack by Egypt?
Why is footage of a motorized paraglider all of a sudden some kind of military genius
Given the fact that Hamas is closely linked to Israeli military intelligence it’s difficult to believe that this is a complete surprise
Although I have not looked at all that much footage quite a bit of it looks ridiculous
The timing certainly could not be better for the current Prime Minister and his cabinet
Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 8 2023 12:58 utc | 60
It’s about time!
Hmm…NATO/US going to send in weapons/ammunition, or maybe even boots on ground?
Or, the guy, whose name cannot be mentioned would send some locusts?!
Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 12:59 utc | 61
It’s about time!
Hmm…NATO/US going to send in weapons/ammunition, or maybe even boots on ground?
Or, the guy, whose name cannot be mentioned would send some locusts?!
Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 12:59 utc | 62
Me again, with a little more posting from (no offence meant) the ‘it girl’ of the Arab world to some Western powers/ful, and that’s Morocco. (How ‘bout that King Mohammed??)
Morocco calls for emergency Arab League meeting on the Gaza crisis
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/10/358148/morocco-calls-for-emergency-arab-league-meeting-on-gaza-crisis
Arab League Secretary General leaves for Moscow at Lavrov’s invitation
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231008/arab-league-secretary-general-leaves-for-moscow-at-lavrovs-invitation-1114013901.html
Okay – including my posts in the Palestine strikes back thread @73, @298… I’m wondering… this gives the impression of some awful sophisticated manoeuvring by the Biden administration, you know the one who b repeatedly posted about? About how he needs new PR because he’s handling things so poorly? Although he also brought up the British establishment in one of these posts on Biden.
There’s one very significant British investor in Morocco: Richard Branson. Kissed the ground in Tel Aviv a few years ago, not sure what that’s about.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 8 2023 13:01 utc | 63
Me again, with a little more posting from (no offence meant) the ‘it girl’ of the Arab world to some Western powers/ful, and that’s Morocco. (How ‘bout that King Mohammed??)
Morocco calls for emergency Arab League meeting on the Gaza crisis
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/10/358148/morocco-calls-for-emergency-arab-league-meeting-on-gaza-crisis
Arab League Secretary General leaves for Moscow at Lavrov’s invitation
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231008/arab-league-secretary-general-leaves-for-moscow-at-lavrovs-invitation-1114013901.html
Okay – including my posts in the Palestine strikes back thread @73, @298… I’m wondering… this gives the impression of some awful sophisticated manoeuvring by the Biden administration, you know the one who b repeatedly posted about? About how he needs new PR because he’s handling things so poorly? Although he also brought up the British establishment in one of these posts on Biden.
There’s one very significant British investor in Morocco: Richard Branson. Kissed the ground in Tel Aviv a few years ago, not sure what that’s about.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 8 2023 13:01 utc | 64
I certainly won’t allow myself to “judge”, well hidden behind my screen
but like other commentators I note that the current situation is exactly what netanyahu needed
If I am impressed by the Palestinians fighters, I cannot forget that Hamas was an israeli opportunity which was originally intended to counter the PLO. Hamas is exactly what the Israeli apartheid regime needs
But what other option for the Palestinians “living” in Gaza concentration camp?
It’s not even David against Goliath anymore, it’s an entire population that has endured martyrdom for decades.
Every war is atrocious, especially this one.
Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:02 utc | 65
I certainly won’t allow myself to “judge”, well hidden behind my screen
but like other commentators I note that the current situation is exactly what netanyahu needed
If I am impressed by the Palestinians fighters, I cannot forget that Hamas was an israeli opportunity which was originally intended to counter the PLO. Hamas is exactly what the Israeli apartheid regime needs
But what other option for the Palestinians “living” in Gaza concentration camp?
It’s not even David against Goliath anymore, it’s an entire population that has endured martyrdom for decades.
Every war is atrocious, especially this one.
Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:02 utc | 66
@pretzelattack
So it is a religious act for an Israeli to attack a mosque or church?
Posted by: phenon | Oct 8 2023 13:02 utc | 67
@pretzelattack
So it is a religious act for an Israeli to attack a mosque or church?
Posted by: phenon | Oct 8 2023 13:02 utc | 68
southfront taken 2nd hand from another social media site where the title of article appearing on Southfront is: BREAKING: HEZBOLLAH JOINS PALESTINIAN ATTACK ON ISRAEL (VIDEOS) can anyone confirm has Hezbollah joined the fight?
Posted by: snake | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 71
southfront taken 2nd hand from another social media site where the title of article appearing on Southfront is: BREAKING: HEZBOLLAH JOINS PALESTINIAN ATTACK ON ISRAEL (VIDEOS) can anyone confirm has Hezbollah joined the fight?
Posted by: snake | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 72
Posted by: AG | Oct 8 2023 12:15 utc | 7
thanks, in the flood of information about current events i would have missed that. he’s always got some trenchant points to make, and I look forward to his perspective.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 73
Posted by: AG | Oct 8 2023 12:15 utc | 7
thanks, in the flood of information about current events i would have missed that. he’s always got some trenchant points to make, and I look forward to his perspective.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 74
With a the evoking of “Pearl Harbor”… is this the global announcement that WW3 has begun?
I’m curious because if illicit statements were to drum up “patriotic” sympathy, it would be wasted on general population as most of that era is dead, and this generation has no attachment to it.
It may be an attempt for Americans to believe that US was just attacked.
I’m gonna stick to global announcement that the banker vs oil war is at hand. Or maybe all part of planned collapse.
Here’s why:
https://tass.com/world/1686535
The UNSC will meet today, come up with usual “condemnations” and that’ll be the end of that.
I have a difficult time believing this very well, very well planned out, “unprecedented” attack does not have follow up coordination with other Nations to enter.
I’m not believing it was a “momentary statement” by Hamas and everyone just goes back to their corner. Israel declares “war”…seriously?
Something bigger is afoot.
Or I could be imagining it.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 75
With a the evoking of “Pearl Harbor”… is this the global announcement that WW3 has begun?
I’m curious because if illicit statements were to drum up “patriotic” sympathy, it would be wasted on general population as most of that era is dead, and this generation has no attachment to it.
It may be an attempt for Americans to believe that US was just attacked.
I’m gonna stick to global announcement that the banker vs oil war is at hand. Or maybe all part of planned collapse.
Here’s why:
https://tass.com/world/1686535
The UNSC will meet today, come up with usual “condemnations” and that’ll be the end of that.
I have a difficult time believing this very well, very well planned out, “unprecedented” attack does not have follow up coordination with other Nations to enter.
I’m not believing it was a “momentary statement” by Hamas and everyone just goes back to their corner. Israel declares “war”…seriously?
Something bigger is afoot.
Or I could be imagining it.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 8 2023 13:04 utc | 76
Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 8 2023 12:58 utc | 30
Even if it was originally intended as a “controlled collapse”, it doesn’t seem to be controlled any more. Not with them close to cutting the country in half. They seem to have sustainable LOCs and are able to even rotate troops deep through Israel territory.
It may be good for Netanyahu who already had his other foot in prison, but will they be able to be recover from this, where the air power advantage is largely neutralized by Palestinians taking the fight into Israel.
Hezbollah is making more and more noises in the north. They will probably at minimum tie up a large chunk of Israel forces.
Obviously they will bomb much of Gaza now, though.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 8 2023 13:06 utc | 77
Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 8 2023 12:58 utc | 30
Even if it was originally intended as a “controlled collapse”, it doesn’t seem to be controlled any more. Not with them close to cutting the country in half. They seem to have sustainable LOCs and are able to even rotate troops deep through Israel territory.
It may be good for Netanyahu who already had his other foot in prison, but will they be able to be recover from this, where the air power advantage is largely neutralized by Palestinians taking the fight into Israel.
Hezbollah is making more and more noises in the north. They will probably at minimum tie up a large chunk of Israel forces.
Obviously they will bomb much of Gaza now, though.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 8 2023 13:06 utc | 78
@ Tak-Tik
“But what other option for the Palestinians “living” in Gaza concentration camp?”
Just wait until Netanjahu goes to jail and his ultra-orthodox coalition partners get kicked out of government? The secular Israelis were fed up with this bunch, but now they have a comeback.
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:07 utc | 79
@ Tak-Tik
“But what other option for the Palestinians “living” in Gaza concentration camp?”
Just wait until Netanjahu goes to jail and his ultra-orthodox coalition partners get kicked out of government? The secular Israelis were fed up with this bunch, but now they have a comeback.
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:07 utc | 80
White helmets running through rubble dust and smoke carrying little children. Russia only targeting hospitals and civilians in Syria. Russia only targeting civilians and schools in Ukraine. Russians raping babies and anything else that moves in Ukraine. Now Hamas raping women and killing children in Palestine. The guests here could at least be a little more imaginative.
Like the Israelis shooting the female reporter not long back on video, The nazis proudly posting to telegram videos of the Russian POWs being shot in the knees, another being bayoneted to death, the nazis who stood the school teachers from a town in person region – “Russian collaborators” – hands tied and stood beside a pit so when they where shot, they tumbled in just like in the good old days.
Targeting civilians, rapoing the women and killing the children… talking points as old as sixty year old prostitutes.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 8 2023 13:07 utc | 81
White helmets running through rubble dust and smoke carrying little children. Russia only targeting hospitals and civilians in Syria. Russia only targeting civilians and schools in Ukraine. Russians raping babies and anything else that moves in Ukraine. Now Hamas raping women and killing children in Palestine. The guests here could at least be a little more imaginative.
Like the Israelis shooting the female reporter not long back on video, The nazis proudly posting to telegram videos of the Russian POWs being shot in the knees, another being bayoneted to death, the nazis who stood the school teachers from a town in person region – “Russian collaborators” – hands tied and stood beside a pit so when they where shot, they tumbled in just like in the good old days.
Targeting civilians, rapoing the women and killing the children… talking points as old as sixty year old prostitutes.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 8 2023 13:07 utc | 82
It isn’t clear to anyone what happened and is happening around the Gaza Strip but what is clear is that “positions” are being staked out in the media scape. The (fake) “left” is calling the attackers “militants” and toning it down the “right” is back on a belligerent tack now calling the attackers “terrorists” and so on. In the USA everyone is pro- some kind of war. The official state media (NYT, WaPO, NPR) is soft-pedaling the whole thing because, I assume, this distracts from Ukraine and even writing articles about the cause of all this though I haven’t read those articles the very fact that they are offering some kind of background indicates a dovish view. CNN has joined Fox and others by also being belligerent while MSNBC seems to be “blaming” Israel for the whole thing.
In short, this issue is showing that the fissures within the Deep State which has been united on war against Russia and China but seems split on Israel. The Israelis are looking to commit genocide in Gaza which the right and Republicans will cheer. The Israelis are calling the Gaza fighters “animals” which is how most Israelis have generally felt about Arabs anyway.
Now, the question is will Iran get involved or not? Will Hezbollah get involved? If the Israelis do indeed reduce Gaza to rubble and kill massive numbers of people–it will be hard for local regimes to stay out. Remember Gaza is very densely populated with 2 million people if Israel does what it says it will do then we’re looking at hundreds of thousands dead and wounded at minimum. Does Israel really want that on its resume? This could alienate Muslim populations in Europe which could spell a different type of trouble.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 8 2023 13:09 utc | 83
It isn’t clear to anyone what happened and is happening around the Gaza Strip but what is clear is that “positions” are being staked out in the media scape. The (fake) “left” is calling the attackers “militants” and toning it down the “right” is back on a belligerent tack now calling the attackers “terrorists” and so on. In the USA everyone is pro- some kind of war. The official state media (NYT, WaPO, NPR) is soft-pedaling the whole thing because, I assume, this distracts from Ukraine and even writing articles about the cause of all this though I haven’t read those articles the very fact that they are offering some kind of background indicates a dovish view. CNN has joined Fox and others by also being belligerent while MSNBC seems to be “blaming” Israel for the whole thing.
In short, this issue is showing that the fissures within the Deep State which has been united on war against Russia and China but seems split on Israel. The Israelis are looking to commit genocide in Gaza which the right and Republicans will cheer. The Israelis are calling the Gaza fighters “animals” which is how most Israelis have generally felt about Arabs anyway.
Now, the question is will Iran get involved or not? Will Hezbollah get involved? If the Israelis do indeed reduce Gaza to rubble and kill massive numbers of people–it will be hard for local regimes to stay out. Remember Gaza is very densely populated with 2 million people if Israel does what it says it will do then we’re looking at hundreds of thousands dead and wounded at minimum. Does Israel really want that on its resume? This could alienate Muslim populations in Europe which could spell a different type of trouble.
Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Oct 8 2023 13:09 utc | 84
Posted by: phenon | Oct 8 2023 13:02 utc | 34
it’s the essence of a religious act, see the hundred years war in Europe, the conquistadors in the americas. religions have a long history of attacking each other ostensibly for worshiping the wrong god, it’s the oldest fig leaf for war, although the US has managed to supplant that in the last 50 years, with the sacred words of the US civil religion “democracy” and “freedom”.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:11 utc | 85
Posted by: phenon | Oct 8 2023 13:02 utc | 34
it’s the essence of a religious act, see the hundred years war in Europe, the conquistadors in the americas. religions have a long history of attacking each other ostensibly for worshiping the wrong god, it’s the oldest fig leaf for war, although the US has managed to supplant that in the last 50 years, with the sacred words of the US civil religion “democracy” and “freedom”.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 8 2023 13:11 utc | 86
Arab League Chief Ahmed Aboul Gheit headed to Moscow on Sunday…
Does that mean…
Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 13:11 utc | 87
Arab League Chief Ahmed Aboul Gheit headed to Moscow on Sunday…
Does that mean…
Posted by: ostro | Oct 8 2023 13:11 utc | 88
@Apollyon
Indeed
This is precisely the reason why I am doubtful,
and astonished at the naivety of many commentators who are a little quick to rejoice in this “magical failure” of the most closely watched wall in the world
Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:18 utc | 89
@Apollyon
Indeed
This is precisely the reason why I am doubtful,
and astonished at the naivety of many commentators who are a little quick to rejoice in this “magical failure” of the most closely watched wall in the world
Posted by: Tak-Tik | Oct 8 2023 13:18 utc | 90
Massive attack by Zionist trolls on the site: nothing has changed. If anything, it’s an Israeli victory (this war is strengthening Netanyahu).
They must bring this good news to the Israelis, who don’t seem to know about it. See Haaretz :
‘Nightmare Scenario’: Hamas’ Victory Is an Israeli Failure on a Massive Scale
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-07/ty-article/.premium/hamas-victory-is-an-israeli-failure-massive-scale/0000018b-0a1a-d8fc-adff-6b7e7e3b0000
Posted by: Leuk | Oct 8 2023 13:19 utc | 91
Massive attack by Zionist trolls on the site: nothing has changed. If anything, it’s an Israeli victory (this war is strengthening Netanyahu).
They must bring this good news to the Israelis, who don’t seem to know about it. See Haaretz :
‘Nightmare Scenario’: Hamas’ Victory Is an Israeli Failure on a Massive Scale
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-07/ty-article/.premium/hamas-victory-is-an-israeli-failure-massive-scale/0000018b-0a1a-d8fc-adff-6b7e7e3b0000
Posted by: Leuk | Oct 8 2023 13:19 utc | 92
“My god, several “road of death” videos on TG with massive (100s) amounts of civilian cars shot up, e.g. near Sderod, or Reim… Disturbing. I know about the complexity of conflicts, but still. My heart is broken for the civilians.”
So according to the logic of some users here, you are Zionist scum. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 16
It takes a particular type of individual to forgive the many decades worth of atrocities Zionists from Israel have committed against Palestinians and their supporters. Remember the MV Mavi Marmarra or Rachel Corrie? The Arab female journalist the Israeli army targeted and shot in the head a few months back ring any bells?
Or particularly strong Religious beliefs, as in “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.”
Sadly guilt by association is a real concept as is being in the wrong place at the wrong time an unfortunate reality.
Your posts might carry more weight if you sought not to be so willfully blind.
Posted by: bubbles | Oct 8 2023 13:21 utc | 93
“My god, several “road of death” videos on TG with massive (100s) amounts of civilian cars shot up, e.g. near Sderod, or Reim… Disturbing. I know about the complexity of conflicts, but still. My heart is broken for the civilians.”
So according to the logic of some users here, you are Zionist scum. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 12:27 utc | 16
It takes a particular type of individual to forgive the many decades worth of atrocities Zionists from Israel have committed against Palestinians and their supporters. Remember the MV Mavi Marmarra or Rachel Corrie? The Arab female journalist the Israeli army targeted and shot in the head a few months back ring any bells?
Or particularly strong Religious beliefs, as in “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.”
Sadly guilt by association is a real concept as is being in the wrong place at the wrong time an unfortunate reality.
Your posts might carry more weight if you sought not to be so willfully blind.
Posted by: bubbles | Oct 8 2023 13:21 utc | 94
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:07 utc | 40
Lol, so they’re just supposed stay on their knees in their open air prison? Hoping that a more tolerant government will come to power? And this new government will do what exactly? Free them from their prison? Stop killing them? Stop stealing their land? Stop oppressing them? This hasn’t happened for the entire existence of Israel, its not going change just because a new government forms.
Of course, you know this, you can’t possibly be that stupid. That just makes you another hasbara troll. Why don’t reeeee some more about dead white occupiers (but do it on Twitter, no here cares).
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:21 utc | 95
Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 8 2023 13:07 utc | 40
Lol, so they’re just supposed stay on their knees in their open air prison? Hoping that a more tolerant government will come to power? And this new government will do what exactly? Free them from their prison? Stop killing them? Stop stealing their land? Stop oppressing them? This hasn’t happened for the entire existence of Israel, its not going change just because a new government forms.
Of course, you know this, you can’t possibly be that stupid. That just makes you another hasbara troll. Why don’t reeeee some more about dead white occupiers (but do it on Twitter, no here cares).
Posted by: SWISS | Oct 8 2023 13:21 utc | 96
I’ve been watching a couple of the videos of Hamas attacking military bases. The Israeli bases are surrounded by wide open spaces where anyone in guard tower can see an attacking force coming from miles away. Doesn’t even need binoculars.
You even see the watch towers as the Hamas militants approach the base.
Something is not right. There are bigger things afoot here than we can see for now.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:24 utc | 97
I’ve been watching a couple of the videos of Hamas attacking military bases. The Israeli bases are surrounded by wide open spaces where anyone in guard tower can see an attacking force coming from miles away. Doesn’t even need binoculars.
You even see the watch towers as the Hamas militants approach the base.
Something is not right. There are bigger things afoot here than we can see for now.
Posted by: Down South | Oct 8 2023 13:24 utc | 98
Food for thought, Oct. 7th 2023: https://www.dawn.com/news/1779777/is-pakistan-unusual
my take: Islam dominates group emotions while discouraging individual rational thinking. Judaism escaped from that trap early while Christianity broke loose a few centuries ago. So with the same Homo sapiens hardware these different operating systems create fierce competition. The latest fail in brainless-ness is Wokism. Science is 95% more rational but is also finding its boundaries in Quantum effects and Big Bang ?? due to results from the James Webb space telescope. Greed runs Capitalism while envy does Communism. Fear(mongering) is omnipresent.
We need a new OS, one that is run by neither the mind or the emotions. Bye bye bipedal big apes.
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 99
Food for thought, Oct. 7th 2023: https://www.dawn.com/news/1779777/is-pakistan-unusual
my take: Islam dominates group emotions while discouraging individual rational thinking. Judaism escaped from that trap early while Christianity broke loose a few centuries ago. So with the same Homo sapiens hardware these different operating systems create fierce competition. The latest fail in brainless-ness is Wokism. Science is 95% more rational but is also finding its boundaries in Quantum effects and Big Bang ?? due to results from the James Webb space telescope. Greed runs Capitalism while envy does Communism. Fear(mongering) is omnipresent.
We need a new OS, one that is run by neither the mind or the emotions. Bye bye bipedal big apes.
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 8 2023 13:25 utc | 100