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October 19, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-244
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Ukraine Open Thread 2023-243
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Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2023-242
News & views (not related to the wars in the Ukraine or Palestine) … October 18, 2023
West’s Pro-Israel Position Accelerates Its Loss Of Power
Western media start to note how their politicians' unwavering support for Israel and Ukraine is diminishing their countries' global standing. At Naked Capitalism Yves Smith notes the devastating political effects of the Gaza bombing on Biden's foreign policies: Biden Gets Zelensky Treatment in Middle East as Israel Tries to Escalate
Israel bombed, probably with a U.S. made Hellfire missile, the courtyard of the Baptist al-Ahli Arab hospital where thousands had sought refuge. A short video of the immediate aftermath shows several dozens if not hundreds of dead and wounded. Doctors later held a press conference while standing among some of the casualties. Like other hospitals al-Ahli Arab had been told by Israel to evacuate but could not do so as there are no other places where the sick and wounded, including many intensive care cases, could be cared for. Three days earlier, notes the UN, the same hospital had, like others, already been bombed:
To then claim, as Biden did, that 'the other team' was responsible for the attack is unfathomable. It was also way too late says a RUSI fellow:
No country besides the U.S. and a few Europeans will ever defend such barbarity. They will simply stop listen to what the 'west' has to say. The Financial Times quotes a G7-official who struggles with this global divide: Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine (archived) Cont. reading: West’s Pro-Israel Position Accelerates Its Loss Of Power October 17, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-241
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. It seems that the U.S., despite denial, had already delivered long range ATACMS missiles to Ukraine. It was promptly used to destroy a Russia helicopter base:
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U.S. Deploys Large Force – Eyes On Syria
The U.S. has recently moved way too many troops to the Middle East to be of peaceful purpose or to simply deter others from action. Who does it intend to fight? Arms Airlift to Israel, Bombers in Jordan, Two Carriers: U.S. Deploying More Forces to Mideast – Haaretz
Each carrier strike group also includes one or two submarines. Next to various support planes each carrier has a ‘wing’ of fighter planes consisting of four squadrons with 12 fighter jets each. There is more … October 16, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-240
Only for news & views directly related to war on Gaza. The current open thread for other issues is here. To read:
Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators. October 15, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-239
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The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-238
Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:
— Cont. reading: The MoA Week In Review – (Not Ukraine) OT 2023-238
Arnaud Bertrand – How Israel Stepped Into A Trap
by Arnaud Bertrand One of the more interesting arguments I've been seeing A LOT on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is: "Hamas undoubtedly predicted Israel's massive retaliation, that makes them all the more guilty for sacrificing Palestinian lives". What people don't realize is that the fact this reaction – the massive collective punishment – was indeed immensely predictable says just as much about Israel than it does about Hamas. It says a lot about Israel for 3 reasons. 1) It says a lot about Israel's image that it was expected to react with massive collective punishment, violating international law. 2) It also says a lot about Israel's inability to think strategically that it would react in exactly the way its adversary predicted it to. Revenge is not a strategy, in fact it is the opposite of strategic. And, lastly 3) it says a lot that Israel doesn't seem to have learned a thing from the US's immense mistakes in its post 9-11 response. Yes, of course, it also says a lot about Hamas, because they knew their actions would undoubtedly cause untold suffering on their own people (on top of the suffering they caused with the attacks). No question there. This looks to be, unfortunately, a competition for whom can gain the most sympathy from the outside world for their suffering. And from where I am standing, Israel is losing big time by playing into the hand of its adversary. Even Europe – Europe! – is on the verge today of breaking ranks with a full-on revolt at the highest levels of the bureaucracy against Von Der Leyen for her unqualified support for Israel. This is on top of renewed support for the Palestinian cause by the Muslim world, and generally the entire global South (with the notable exception of India, who pretty much runs on Islamophobia today under Modi). I'm going to go out on a limb here and hypothesize that this was Hamas, as an organization, committing suicide for the Palestinian cause. Hamas undoubtedly won't survive this, it's pretty clear. And sadly thousands of innocent lives will be lost. But they've focused the entire global conversation on their topic and Israel's reaction is making Palestinians win the sympathy war. Cont. reading: Arnaud Bertrand – How Israel Stepped Into A Trap October 14, 2023
Pro-Israel Propaganda Is Stupid
It is somewhat amazing how low the quality of western propaganda has become. Especially when it relates to hobbyhorses like Israel. Here is NBCnews testing not only the stupidity of its viewers and readers but also demonstrating the fatuity of its 'journalists'.
The attack happened in the early hours of October 7, a Saturday. October 13, 2023
The Split In Israel And The War Of Al-Aqsa
What is the reason for the 'Al-Aqsa Deluge', as Hamas had named its terror operation against the Zionists? On October 8 Alastair Crooke, one of most experienced Middle East hands, wrote in AlMahadeen:
Mizrahi are mostly the original Middle Eastern Jews and often on the religious far right, Ashkenazi are mostly liberal European ones. The current Netanyahoo government is the first which includes far-right Mizrahi ministers. Most Mizrahi follow the Sephardi religious rites. They want an religious state based on Jewish law. They are as radial as ISIS. The high court of Israel has 14 Ashkenazi judges and one Mizrahi one. It is one of the reasons why the Netanyahoo government wants the parliament to be able to vote down high court judgements. There have been large, U.S. sponsored 'regime change' protests in Israel against that move. The leaders of the military and security services, mostly Ashkenazi, have also opposed the government move against the court. I therefore think that it is quite possible that there was intelligence pointing to the Hamas attack, but that it was not revealed to let Netanyahoo fall into a trap. We have however no evidence that there were reasonably precise intelligence warnings, or that they were held up. There are already demands for Netanyahoo to go. If only for his long term sponsoring of Hamas as a counterweight to the more secular Fatah Palestinians. Should he no longer be prime minister the courts will take up the three bribe cases against him which are currently pending. He would likely end up in jail. Another reason for Hamas' success was the fact that three of the four infantry battalions, with 800 soldiers each, that usually guard the Gaza strip, had been moved to the West Bank to protect right-wing Zionist settlers during a religious holiday. This allowed for Hamas' easy breach of the fence. Back to Alastair Crooke on the real motive of the Al-Aqsa flood: October 12, 2023
Clowns Of Brussels
It is time China started taking Europe more seriously, says EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell – SCMP – Oct 12, 2023
EU to investigate Chinese steel and aluminium sectors, with tariffs looming, in deal with US – SCMP – Oct 12, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-237
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The call was likely in response to U.S. plans for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza:
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Ukraine Open Thread 2023-236
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Open (Not Ukraine) Thread 235
News & views (not related to the wars in Ukraine or Palestine) … October 11, 2023
U.S. Plans To Ethnically Cleanse Gaza
This is, presumably, the U.S.-Israeli plan for the Palestinian people in Gaza:
No, it is not leadership. It is ethnic cleansing, a war crime disguised as humanitarian gesture. It is ethnic cleansing of people who's land has been stolen by Zionist settlers. These people would have no right of return to the homes and land they once owned. People who have been put into an open air prison, who have no access to electricity, water and food and are currently under intense attacks. Egypt, the only country where they potentially could be moved to, is already bankrupt. It can not even provide for its own people. Two million new people from Gaza, all poor and some of them radicalized, would undoubtedly unbalance the Egyptian state. Should such a plan be put into action it would guarantee that the resistance axis, Hizbullah and various other Sunni and Shia groups in the Middle East, would step in. They would attack Israel to prevent such a move. The U.S. thinks it can deter resistance action by threatening to move in with its own forces. That's why the USS Herald Ford, its newest carrier, was moved into the Eastern Mediterranean. Rumors have it that a second carrier will come in too. But the resistance can not be deterred by that. The last time the U.S. tried to intervene in Lebanon it ended up with 241 dead Marines and had to retreat in shame. Hizbullah at that time was only a handful of men. Today Hizbullah has tens of thousands of very well trained men. Then there are also Iran and Russia:
Ukraine SitRep: Storming Andivka – Ukrainian Losses
The Russian military has launched small attacks along the whole frontline. A major effort is made near Andivka which yesterday was bombed to smithereens:
![]() bigger Since 2014 the Ukrainian military had made Andivka into a fortress. It requires big bombs to break its bunkers. ![]() bigger That something important was coming up could be seen it the recent Daily Reports by the Russian Ministry of Defense. Cont. reading: Ukraine SitRep: Storming Andivka – Ukrainian Losses October 10, 2023
Israel Confesses War Crime
No, not really. Israel did not confess war crimes. It never does. It proudly announced that it will now commit a war crime:
Haaretz commentator Gideon Levy:
October 9, 2023
Egypt Claims It Warned Israel Of Upcoming Attack
Will this finally end Netanyahoo's rein? Egypt says Israel ignored warnings Hamas planned major offensive – Yedioth Ahranoth – Oct 9 2023
One would hope so. But the story will certainly be denied. And due to the war Bibi may still keep his seat. |
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