Israel Confesses War Crime
No, not really. Israel did not confess war crimes. It never does. It proudly announced that it will now commit a war crime:
Israel's defence minister described Palestinians as "human animals" and vowed to "act accordingly," as fighter jets unleashed a massive bombing campaign on the Gaza Strip.Yoav Gallant announced a "complete siege" of the Gaza Strip, an area of about 365 square km, and home to 2.3 million Palestinians, which has been under an Israeli-led blockade since 2007.
"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed," Gallant said.
"We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly," he added.
The Israeli air force has dropped 2,000 munitions and more than 1,000 tonnes of bombs on Gaza in the last 20 hours, the army said on Monday morning, having shelled 20 high-rise residential buildings, mosques, hospitals, banks and other civilian infrastructure.
Ragıp Soylu @ragipsoylu - 13:37 UTC · Oct 10, 2023Israel military spokesman Daniel Hagari said that the army drops hundreds of tons of bombs in attacks in the Gaza Strip, and —— "the emphasis is on damage and not on accuracy.”
— Haaretz
Haaretz commentator Gideon Levy:
Israel Can’t Imprison Two Million Gazans Without Paying a Cruel Price (archived)
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On Saturday they were already talking about wiping out entire neighborhoods in Gaza, about occupying the Strip and punishing Gaza “as it has never been punished before.” But Israel hasn’t stopped punishing Gaza since 1948, not for a moment.After 75 years of abuse, the worse possible scenario awaits it once again. The threats of “flattening Gaza” prove only one thing: We haven’t learned a thing. The arrogance is here to stay, even though Israel is paying a high price once again.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu bears very great responsibility for what happened, and he must pay the price, but it didn’t start with him and it won’t end after he goes. We now have to cry bitterly for the Israeli victims, but we should also cry for Gaza.
Gaza, most of whose residents are refugees created by Israel. Gaza, which has never known a single day of freedom.
Correction (Oct 16):
Due to the badly formulated short Ynetnews statement linked below I had added the 360,000 "further" called up reservists to the previously announced 300,000 mobilized reservists. This turned out to be wrong. The total of called up reservist as for now seems to be 360,000. I nevertheless will let the original text below unchanged. Please disregard its claims related to the number of called-up reservist forces.
/end correction/
The Israeli government has called up another 360,000 reservists for a total of 660,000 reservists plus the 170,000 in the regular standing forces. Israel's total labor force is 4.4 million.
This is not sustainable for more than a week or two. With 660,000 mostly young people, 15% of the total workforce, suddenly absent, Israel's economy will immediately tank. The Shekel and the Israeli stock market have already dropped significantly and the central bank had to intervene to keep the currency stable.
Meanwhile 200,000 out of a total of 2.3 million Palestinians in Gaza are now displaced. Israel bombed their homes to smithereens and they have nowhere to go.
A few days ago Netanyahoo told people in Gaza to leave. The only place they theoretically could go is Egypt. Today Israel bombed the Rafah border crossing between Gaza and Egypt.
A ground invasion of Gaza will be difficult and likely lead to massacres - on both sides. Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria would likely see a ground invasion of Gaza as a reason to intervene. It has missiles and drones that are precise and can reach any part of Israel. Israel may then retaliate by attacking the Syrian government. Iran and Russia would thereby get involved in the war. The U.S. of course would jump in on Israel's side.
This war could really, really escalate and do so soon.
Posted by b on October 10, 2023 at 14:42 UTC | Permalink
next page »Yup.
For those who were wondering what the 'plan' to save Ukraine was.
Nato has decided to bite off its nose to spite its face.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 10 2023 14:48 utc | 2
I'm beginning to see other parallels with the Ukraine-Russia war:
The obsession with "territorial capture" is back in the media, mainstream and alternative there is this talk of the IDF retaking territory previously captured by Hamas as if Hamas ever intended holding on.
There is talk of the IDF "driving" the Al Quds, Al Qassam brigades back to Gaza as if these forces ever intended to hang around and go toe-to-toe with the IDF.
In short, the same delusions that usually cloud Western military thinking in the modern era are creeping in and compounding the delusions already lying thick upon the ground.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 14:50 utc | 3
Sooner or later Israel neighbors will have the means to destroy Israel, unless they change their evil ways, (which I doubt)
Posted by: Viktor | Oct 10 2023 14:51 utc | 4
Israel is walking into a trap. I doubt this will end with a victory for them. The Arab world isn't going to sit on its hands while Israel tries to remove Palestinians from Gaza. There are multiple ways arab states can make the US pay for their support of Israel that don't involve military action.
Posted by: Antonia | Oct 10 2023 14:51 utc | 5
The U.S. of course would jump in on Israel's side.
Posted by b on October 10, 2023 at 14:42 UTC | Permalink
The presence of the U.S in Palestine would probably unfold as it did during the Lebanese civil war:
- Carriers bombing Palestinian villages
- Barracks full of marines getting blown to smithereens ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 14:51 utc | 6
Copying "human animal behavior" is equally bad. Nethanyahu is so dumb: good way to loose your leadership position in a month or so.
Posted by: Antonym | Oct 10 2023 15:03 utc | 7
Hamas fighters are not "terrorists". The real terrorists are those who have robbed the Palestinians of their homeland, who have driven them into reservations for more than 75 years, who desecrate the shrines of another religion, who bombard densely populated residential areas in Gaza and Lebanon with phosphorus.
Posted by: CIROC | Oct 10 2023 15:05 utc | 8
Question: why EU won’t assume the responsibility for this all mess that was created after ww2 and take all those refugees 2 millions Palestinians.
Posted by: Innuendo | Oct 10 2023 15:09 utc | 9
Palestinians are obviously big losers here. Israelis are also big losers. Israel is responsible for no attempt of integration or equal rights to the Palestinians, or giving breathing room. Palestinians are under some sort of extremist influence. But Israel is more responsible since their Talmud does not permit to solve any problems with non-jews.
The disruption to Israel's economy, society is large, and Hamas is still shooting mass rocket strikes into Tel Aviv. They now warned people in Ashkelon to leave, as it is next. Palestinians have nothing to lose, 80% support Hamas, there will be a new volunteer for every fallen one.
Israel is yet to set foot in Gaza. They are trying to flush them out with blockade of water and electricity. Iran's strategy is to weaken its enemies, US, Israel and Saudi Arabia through proxy wars and currently seems they are succeeding. Israel attacking in Gaza will bring the fight to equal foot, that means, stripping them of air force advantage.
The actions and messaging in EU and the US is despicable, but what do you expect.
IIRC Palestinians also managed to capture something like 14 Merkava tanks as a bonus, which most likely they would disable permanently. Israel has a fleet of about 350 Merkava tanks. The US will obviously give them more.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:10 utc | 10
Why are there so many idiots on reddit? Damn, these animals can't think critically.
Posted by: Psycho | Oct 10 2023 15:11 utc | 11
Hot off the presses:
Hamas attacks Israeli city Ashkelon with rockets, post warning to residents
BREAKING Hamas tells Israelis to leave Ashkelon by 5pm
(Ashkelon is the northern terminus for the Trans-Israel pipeline, which brings petroleum products from Eilat to an oil terminal at the port. The Ashkelon seawater reverse osmosis (SWRO) desalination plant is the largest in the world.)
This may indicate the Hamas offensive is not out of steam yet ...
Al-manar claims the attacks on Ashkelon are coming in from the sea other sources claim it's rocket fire.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 15:12 utc | 12
The situation in Occupied Palestine is part of the civilization war humanity is in.
In case you haven't noticed, there are nations out there that don't like the way our species is dis(organized) in the West and are finally doing something about it.
This conflict is existential for empire and those that think themselves better than others. They can commit war crimes until they lose the war and are prosecuted for such which I hope happens soon.
Our species is not showing itself well to the aliens in the Cosmos......we don't play well with others.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2023 15:12 utc | 13
Lol! Khadyrov you old mischief maker:
Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of Chechnya, has extended support to Palestine in a video message released.
In the message, Kadyrov expressed solidarity with Palestine and urged leaders of Muslim nations to form a coalition while appealing to their Western allies to avoid civilian casualties.
Kadyrov also offered to deploy Chechen units as peacekeepers to help “restore order”.
Gaza-based Hamas Palestinian resistance movement launched on Saturday a surprise operation in which its fighters infiltrated and controlled several Israeli settlements in Gaza envelope and fired thousands of rockets at Al-Quds and several Israeli cities.
(Al Manar)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 15:13 utc | 14
This is become a really weird place.
Here in the United states, we have a block of people who have similar traits. They are pro transgenderism, Pro critical race theory, Pro Southern immigration, woke, anti-family, anti -christian , cancel culturing, anti-russian, Pro Ukraine, pro Palestinian.
There is zero overlap of people who are pro Israeli and pro ukrainian. All Pro Ukrainian people are pro Palestinian.
In other words, here in the United States it's only crazed liberal Marxist who are pro Palestinian, and also behind all the US funding for Ukraine.
I would go so far as to say is most Jews in the United States are not Zionist at all I really don't give a damn about Israel or dislike it or are embarrassed about it.
There is a balanced perspective on the Middle East that doesn't have to be crazed Pro Israeli or crazed Pro Palestinian.
So this ends up to be a unique space with a very unusual alignment of propalestinian and anti-ukrainian.
Everybody wants to stop history at the place that's most convenient for their narrative.
I think what I've outlined above is true for most European countries too.
The problem is, you're going to lose all support here for a defensive Russia by jumping in bed with all the crazies outlined above, and whether you like it or not that's what you're doing. People here could take a problem solving perspective on Israel instead of a reflexive weird anti-semitic. I'm almost getting the feeling the people here aren't pro-russian as they are anti-American and anti West. Well that sentiment is understandable it lacks meaningful perspective. Nobody wants to live in most of the countries that are anti-west first of all. Second of all the West is split Within itself.
So 40 to 50% of people in the West don't want our leaders to be doing what they're doing, screwing around in every country or pursuing hegemity as everybody here likes to say or being a neocon or any of that.
The problem is everybody here is shouting a bunch of contradictions. And by and large I don't see anybody here supporting civil society. And if you think the Russian government or the Chinese government is a good model for civil society then you've completely lost any and all legitimacy.
Basically all I see here is people cheerleading for the annihilation of their perceived enemies with no plan thereafter. Hope that feels good but believe me if you're not trying to solve problems and advocating for pro Civil Society, then you're just one more person living by the sword even if only emotionally and psychologically.
Get your s*** together. Align with the people who want decency, who want peace, who wants civil society, who want to diminish power structures not build them up for annihilation of others, people who want humans to flourish through love, education, and productive and creative potential. It's sad to see that this site is filled with nothing but nihilists.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 15
Palestinians are obviously big losers here.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:10 utc | 10
As opposed to pre-offensive when they were winning, right?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 16
Israel based its country security on the fear and invincibility of their army. The losses they had under an opponent (hamas) they grossly underestimated cannot be tolerated, therefore they must do something really huge to re-establish the fear.
At least this is what they think, It's existential for them.
Arab world is complex and alliances are never secured for a long time. So they may still look the other way once again while the Palestinian are methodically eradicated by Israel.
Yet it's still possible that they'll go too far and Arab states will react with a war.
Israel is probably under the impression Tsahal is as strong as it was in the war they waged against other Arab states, but i think it's no longer the case. Arab states especially Iran and Syria are now battle hardened and even on the technological point of view I think Iran is ahead of Israel in matter of drone warfare.
Therefore yes it's possible that the conflict will degenerate into a full fledged regional war, followed by a nuclear bombing by Israel on Iran and/or Syria - they will do it if they start to loose.
Posted by: w | Oct 10 2023 15:17 utc | 17
Any typos are on clarities above or due to dictating without proofreading. The smarter among you will be able to follow it from context. The Dumber Ones Will snarky comments about grammar or spelling. If I see you snarky, about grammar spelling or syntax then I'll know but it's simply somebody who's not smart enough to decipher the what I'm saying from context.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:20 utc | 18
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/10/ytol-o10.html
Former US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, a candidate for the Republican presidential primary nomination, declared that the uprising was “not just an attack on Israel” but “an attack on America,” directly demanding that Netanyahu “finish them.” Netanyahu, for his part, declared ominously yesterday, “What we will do to our enemies in the next few days will echo for generations.”Behind all this ferocious imperialist hypocrisy is the fundamental class attitude of the oppressors to any resistance by the oppressed, whether it is in Gaza or anywhere else. “We, the oppressors, are free to use force whenever we decide that it serves our interests,” they say. “We can bomb you indiscriminately, we can blockade and starve you, we can rob you and imprison you and kneel on your necks. But force is our monopoly and our sole prerogative. You, the oppressed, are not under any circumstances permitted to use force in response.” It is this class attitude that animates the repeated use of the word “terrorist” to describe anyone who takes up arms against the occupation.
Underscoring the degree of hypocrisy involved, it is worth pointing out that in a New York Times article in August of last year, “Behind Enemy Lines, Ukrainians Tell Russians ‘You Are Never Safe,’” correspondent Andrew Kramer celebrated the work of Ukrainian terror squads carrying out assassinations with car bombs behind Russian lines: “They sneak down darkened alleys to set explosives. They identify Russian targets for Ukrainian artillery and long-range rockets provided by the United States. They blow up rail lines and assassinate officials they consider collaborators with the Russians.” Such methods are permissible to proxies of American imperialism, just not to those resisting its proxies.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:20 utc | 19
Let’s wait for the 2 millions refugees from Gaza join the EU. Nice.
Posted by: Innuendo | Oct 10 2023 15:21 utc | 20
This area has been fought over for how long?
4000 years, give or take.
So long ago the 2 religions festering the fighting weren't even born yet.
It won't end this year or the next. It will simply continue as long as the area is habitable.
Remember when when the O'bama admin, and now the Biden admin claimed that climate change was the largest threat to the world?
They might want to rethink that.
Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 10 2023 15:23 utc | 21
Israel based its country security on the fear and invincibility of their army.
Israel is probably under the impression Tsahal is as strong as it was in the war they waged against other Arab states, but i think it's no longer the case.
Posted by: w | Oct 10 2023 15:17 utc | 17
The original IDF that fought those wars were led by men who had fought in WW2, many in the Red Army. They knew the harshest of wars.
There are no ex-Red-Army remnants in the IDF now, of course. So the expectation that the IDF of this century is somehow equivalent to that of the 1960s and 1970s is unrealistic.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 15:24 utc | 22
The Arab world isn't going to sit on its hands while Israel tries to remove Palestinians from Gaza.Posted by: Antonia | Oct 10 2023 14:51 utc | 5
If history is any indication, “sit on their hands” is exactly what Arab states will do. This is unlikely to change until and unless the peoples of those states hoist the heads of their leaders — most of whom are US clients — on pikes.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 15:26 utc | 23
The tragedy is that the Likud Leadership really doesn’t fathom how bloodthirsty they sound to most of the world.
It’s also tragic that the Likud keeps doubling down on its failed strategy of creating facts on the ground. Doubling down on failure just means more failure.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2023 15:32 utc | 24
I'm almost getting the feeling the people here aren't pro-russian as they are anti-American and anti West.
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And by and large I don't see anybody here supporting civil society. And if you think the Russian government or the Chinese government is a good model for civil society then you've completely lost any and all legitimacy.
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There is a balanced perspective on the Middle East that doesn't have to be crazed Pro Israeli or crazed Pro Palestinian.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 15
You condemn others for not supporting Russia and then condemn Russia for not being a "civil society", curious.
That must be your "balanced perspective", right. /s
You keep equating opposition to Zionism with anti-Semitism without any evidence, and then claim that you have no dog in the race and that anyone who opposes you is irrational and nihilistic, making all sorts of personal attack assertions. Surely that must not be irrational, right? /s
Since you think that's what makes you not nihilistic, we are proud and happy to be recognized as nihilistic by you.
Posted by: w | Oct 10 2023 15:17 utc | 17
They are too cowardly to use nukes as they did in the six-day war.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:33 utc | 25
This war could really, really escalate and do so soon.Posted by b on October 10, 2023 at 14:42 UTC | Permalink
Which may well be the point. Perhaps RF didn't take the bait with the SMO so the Israel-Palestine card is being played. If they block escape routes and bomb civilians and distribute media showing the same, that will for sure inflame many in the region so it must be assumed such inflammation is one of the desired ends - if not indeed the main one - and finally they get the world war they've always wanted.
Why that might be, one is hard pressed to understand. One has to enter into Old Testament Demonic-Tribal state of mind which animates so many these days, though hidden in plain sight under the materialist veneer of progressive modernity. It's who they are; it's what they do. 'Hubble, bubble, toil and trouble.'
Meanwhile, oil and inflation will go up, then Ailing America can look forward to another election year (the last?) with Colour Revolution riots albeit this time with more blood in the streets and patriot suburbs, enhanced this time by tens (maybe hundreds?) of thousands of military age Chinese and Iranians receiving funds via debit cards from who-knows-whom, aka the usual suspects.
The Israelis are committed to their apartheid and like to hold outdoor concerts right next to the people they are oppressing. It's like taunting a starving animal in a zoo and expecting the animal to not bite when it gets out of its cage.
This outcome was entirely predictable.
This is yet another vector by which the West is being exposed.
America could fall very quickly if 4 or 5 nations of the world banded against it. In the snap of a finger, the empire could collapse because it's largely been built on propaganda and financial manipulation, not experience, strength, or technology. When it comes to bullets and bombs, America cannot walk the walk.
Such a fragile perch to be exploiting others from.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:35 utc | 27
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:20 utc | 18
Are you still claiming that it's reasonable for you to write funder as finder and expect people to see it? You claimed at the time that Ukrainian funders were against Israel, which they clearly weren't, Biden fully supported Israel. Even AOC is fully on board with giving Israel military support LMFAO.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:37 utc | 28
Saw on Twitter:
Some politicians in Israel want a two front war against Hamas, because they would rather take a bit longer war now and completely "deal with Hamas" versus having to "worry about it later".
And Israel claims they have found decapacitated babies. No pictures or evidence, just text.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:37 utc | 29
If history is any indication, “sit on their hands” is exactly what Arab states will do. This is unlikely to change until and unless the peoples of those states hoist the heads of their leaders — most of whom are US clients — on pikes.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 15:26 utc | 23
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The Islamic approach is foreign to everyone else. The Hudaybiyyah Treaty gives Muslims a blueprint for how to win without direct confrontation. Like the Chinese, they are playing a long game. Given their orientation towards the afterlife, a much longer game than even the Chinese.
It's not sitting on their hands. It's moving in other vectors, marshaling strength such that one day they can march (metaphorically) into Mecca and win without much bloodshed.
Westerners cannot understand this because their first approach is always violence and coercion. The notion of winning without bloodshed doesn't make for good TV.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:39 utc | 30
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:37 utc | 29
" Israel want a two front war against Hamas..."
meant
Israel want a two front war against Hezbollah
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:39 utc | 31
In 1831, a slave uprising led by Nat Turner took place in Southampton County, Virginia. The escaped slaves used knives, hatchets and clubs to massacre dozens of white men, women and children. The rebellion was put down with even more extreme savagery, with roving militias and mobs murdering black people on sight regardless of whether they were involved in the rebellion. Turner’s body was flayed and his skin was turned into souvenir purses.Any objective historian, with the benefit of hindsight, would place the blame for the terrific violence of such uprisings not on the slaves, but on the slave system itself, with all its colossal inhumanity. To denounce the Turner uprising on the grounds that it was “violent” would be hypocritical and ahistorical and would amount to an indirect apology for slavery.
“A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains,” Leon Trotsky wrote in 1938, are not “equals before a court of morality!”
For his part, in his second inaugural address in the midst of the Civil War, Lincoln expressed the idea that the tremendous violence with which the country was afflicted was the inevitable historical reckoning for the institution of slavery, which required that “every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword.”
By the same token, the repression now being carried out by the Israeli government against the population of Gaza is not fundamentally different from that used by Britain against the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya, by France in the Algerian War of Independence, against South Africans struggling against the apartheid regime, or for that matter by the US military against the popular resistance to its occupation of Iraq. As always, the political elites among the oppressors denounce armed resistance as terrorism and then proceed to carry out merciless retribution a thousand times more destructive.
In one rare deviation from the propaganda deluge, Palestinian National Initiative leader Mustafa Barghouti was interviewed by Fareed Zakaria on CNN yesterday, in which he was permitted to make the point that armed resistance is the inevitable result of the refusal of the government of Israel to recognize any other form of opposition by Palestinians as legitimate: “If we struggle in a military form, we are terrorists. If we struggle in a non-violent way, we are described as violent. If we even resist with words, we are described as provocateurs.”
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 32
If history is any indication, “sit on their hands” is exactly what Arab states will do. This is unlikely to change until and unless the peoples of those states hoist the heads of their leaders — most of whom are US clients — on pikes.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 15:26 utc | 23
Arab states are already acting in a manner they never would have even five years ago. Looking to a long-dead past to predict the future won't work here. The rules have changed entirely.
Posted by: Antonia | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 33
Sure seems like a good time for Russia to launch their counteroffensive into Ukraine. The Hegemon is stretched about as far as it can go now.
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 34
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 34
Yes, there should be support for getting the overlords into more chaos.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:41 utc | 35
The smarter ones of us easily recognize that statements like this —
There is zero overlap of people who are pro Israeli and pro ukrainian. All Pro Ukrainian people are pro Palestinian
— are either wholly ignorant or wholly unhinged, and most likely both.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 15:41 utc | 36
It's really too bad, out of deference to the barkeep who lives in an occupied country with harsh anti-speech laws, that we have to self-censor our critical thinking.
And that truly is the story: how much of the 'west' especially the USA is captured by a foreign entity.
Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 10 2023 15:41 utc | 37
The Israelis can massacre the entire population of Gaza while dismissing them as "animals" and the USA will still support them anyway because, after all, "They have the right to defend themselves". Hamas would like to provoke such a response, hoping it will diminish world support for the colonialist adventure which is Israel. But maybe they actually want the world to see how the USA behaves and thereby undercut USA influence in the world and ultimately eliminate USA unconditional love for Israel and thereby "wipe Israel from the pages of history".
Posted by: A. Pols | Oct 10 2023 15:43 utc | 38
When it comes to bullets and bombs, America cannot walk the walk.
Such a fragile perch to be exploiting others from.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:35 utc | 27
Probably entirely true. But don't forget that America has nuclear weapons and has used them in the past. Right know, the people in charge of America are delusional and borderline insane. Impossible to predict how such people would react to the potential loss of power but burning it all to the ground in nuclear armaggedon would certainly fit their personality disorders.
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 10 2023 15:45 utc | 39
This is in response to Colin at comment number 25.
I definitely don't condemn Russia. I don't think civil society is working well anywhere including the West right now. Russia has a lot of things going on right now that I do like. I think they're rejection of ptransgenderism and celebration of homosexuality, their promotion of the family the resurrection of the Orthodox Church, their lack of foreign immigration, their rejection of climate alarmism, there's sense of self-sufficiency. There's a lot to like about Russia and there's a lot to hate about the West right now. But there hasn't always been a lot to hate about the United States. It's getting worse and worse. Half the West hates itself and the other half hates the half that hates the West. So I'm not throwing anybody out as a model of how it should be.
Russia isn't perfect by any stretch. There's been a lot of looting and rule by oligarchy and so forth and that's no good either.
The reason I support Russia in this particular circumstance with respect to Ukraine is because nobody has to be perfect in order to have legitimate security concerns that ought to be considered and have legitimate self interest that if and French to pawn will cause a conflict period and I do think that NATO and the military complex have become an entity unto themselves and eastward expansion has become a malignancy, and NATO itself at this point is a cancer on civil society. No doubt Russia has a history of being invaded by the West, and it was inevitable that when idiots like Newland decided to just keep going and going that a war was going to ensue and I was against that from the whole way along. So I'm not anti-russian or pro-russian I'm Pro civil society, pro liberty, pro decency and morality, pro peace
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:50 utc | 40
There is zero overlap of people who are pro Israeli and pro ukrainian. All Pro Ukrainian people are pro Palestinian.
What a fucking bullshit!
Posted by: RB | Oct 10 2023 15:51 utc | 41
Of course Israel uses repurposed Nazi tactics and Nazi ideology. That is no secret.
What is anyone going to do about it?
Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 10 2023 15:51 utc | 42
Also lost in the Western calculus, is that many Muslims will gladly die for what they believe is a righteous cause because Muslims believe in predestiny, and that their time and manner of death has already been decided by a power much greater than them.
It's not that they welcome death. It's that death isn't the end. What seems a trivial belief can make an enormous difference. No Muslim wants Gaza to be wiped out, but every devout Muslim believes that if they are exterminated by the Jews, paradise awaits (and hellfire for their killers).
Think of the bravery of Christians facing lions in the Colosseum.
How does one fight someone who values human life so differently?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:51 utc | 44
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 10 2023 15:45 utc | 39
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We're all going to die. Is nuclear fire any worse than watching your loved ones die of cancer? Or getting stabbed in an alley? Or choking to death in an autoerotic scene gone wrong?
One could call nuclear armageddon a mercy by contrast.
I am tired of the "OMG NUKES!!!!" narrative. I hid under my desk in school as a kid. The problem with fearmongering (like abuse) is that the target eventually habituates to it and the efficacy plunges towards zero.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:56 utc | 45
Rules of propaganda.
If you are going to run a story about 40 babies with their heads cut off, don't smirk while you are telling it.
https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1711725099299053922
Posted by: Andy | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 46
#16. Oh, of course they aren't 'big loosers.' I know that from the 7 or 8 hundred deliriously happy posts here yesterday. Israel was colossally defeated! Israel was about to be cut in two! Freedom fighters are in the suburbs of Tel Aviv!...! Oh...wait. As one of you sniffed this morning...what tosh, of course the heroic freedom fighters never intended to hold any ground...how silly to think so!
You asked ...losers as opposed to before? Why again, of course not as Israel dropped tons of bombs, cuts off all water, food, electricity and IS JUST STARTING. Since their schlocky Spartacus moment (only this time with a happy Marxist ending, right oh uncompromising tiger,!) how many hundreds of not thousands of women. Childred, old folks have been blown to bits, eh? And at your keyboard you comfy widdle 12 hours a day, that's not much of a price to pay for NOTHING.
As this whole performance was and is a false flag in every way, it, and you blowhard nerds, are even more contemptible, if that is possible, than usual. Your freedom fighters were either manipulated by the feds a la jan.6, or decided to commit suicide while taking thousands of their own people with them. So the likes of you can pontificate about the blahblahblah glory of...something or other.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 47
After a reported Russian missle killed 52 people in Ukraine, Un inspectors were on the ground within a day for a war crimes investigation. Israel killed over 10 times that many civilians in 2 days, while cutting off food and electricity, bombing hospitals, and killing at least 6 journalists, and nothing. Among the casualties in this war is the humanitarian fig leaf the West has tried to use in Ukraine.
Posted by: Bob | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 48
@ Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 15
You would think the pro-Palestinian types in the US would feel a similar sort of sympathy for the Donbas inhabitants, who have been abused by their own gov't with the full support of the neocons in the State Dept. Nope.
Posted by: Frank McGar | Oct 10 2023 16:04 utc | 49
@ Bob | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 48
In all fairness, the UN remembers how Israel treats unwanted outsider-snoopers. Remember Folke Bernadotte?
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 16:05 utc | 50
The problem is everybody here is shouting a bunch of contradictions. And by and large I don't see anybody here supporting civil society. And if you think the Russian government or the Chinese government is a good model for civil society then you've completely lost any and all legitimacy.
Basically all I see here is people cheerleading for the annihilation of their perceived enemies with no plan thereafter. Hope that feels good but believe me if you're not trying to solve problems and advocating for pro Civil Society, then you're just one more person living by the sword even if only emotionally and psychologically.
Get your s*** together. Align with the people who want decency, who want peace, who wants civil society, who want to diminish power structures not build them up for annihilation of others, people who want humans to flourish through love, education, and productive and creative potential. It's sad to see that this site is filled with nothing but nihilists.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 15
I definitely don't condemn Russia.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:50 utc | 40
Okay, Okay, Okay.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:10 utc | 51
Your freedom fighters were either manipulated by the feds a la jan.6, or decided to commit suicide while taking thousands of their own people with them. So the likes of you can pontificate about the blahblahblah glory of...something or other.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 47
I'm glad you admit that you condemned the Warsaw Jewish uprising, thus confirming your own status as a Nazi sympathizer LMFAO
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:14 utc | 52
It was said not long ago that Iran had Hypersonic missiles. Do we know if this is accurate? I believe they made an announcement stating they were open to selling the technology. I have no clue if this is correct or not. It would seem to make an interesting development if this escalated as most fear.
Posted by: Slat1 | Oct 10 2023 16:14 utc | 53
Iraq's PM Mohammed Sudani is in Russia for a scheduled visit and met with Putin today. Both had some words to say about the Palestine situation during their initial comments before media prior to their private talks. First Putin the Sudani:
Of course, your visit to Russia is taking place against the backdrop of crises: the Ukrainian crisis continues, and, unfortunately, we see a sharp escalation situation in the Middle East. I think a lot of people would agree with me that this is a clear example of the failure of the United States' policy in the Middle East, who tried to monopolize the settlement, but unfortunately were not are concerned with finding compromises acceptable to both sides, but, on the contrary, putting forward their own ideas of how this should be done, Pressure on both sides, on both: first on one, then on the other. But without taking into account the fundamental interests of the Palestinian people, meaning the need to implement the decision of the UN Security Council to establish an independent, sovereign Palestinian State.But in any case, no matter what happens... I also know your position, dear Mr. Prime Minister, our position is that the damage of the civilian population must be minimized and reduced to zero, and we call on all parties to the conflict to do the same....
Mister President, our visit is taking place at a very careful time. What is happening now is complex and dangerous developments in Palestine. This is a natural result That Israel has continued to commit violations against the rights of the Palestinians, The international community has remained silent and has failed to fulfil its obligations under internationally recognized resolutions. We are now witnessing another the intifada, the uprising of the Palestinians to demand an end to these violations of their rights.
Obvious escalation, a very dangerous escalation that kills civilians Spontaneous bombings, including civilians, are carried out All of this leads to the destruction of the Gaza Strip. Now we're all carrying responsibility, as Arab countries, as Islamic countries, and also together with Russia, a permanent member of the [UN] Security Council, a great power. This is moral responsibility, which also falls on the major powers, In order to stop these violations of the rights of the Palestinians, to end the blockade Gaza Strip. [My Emphasis]
I wonder how Mr. Sudani would define "international community"? And of course, Iraq continues to suffer from Outlaw US Empire hegemony. But it's not an intifada yet.
There is zero overlap of people who are pro Israeli and pro ukrainian. All Pro Ukrainian people are pro Palestinian.
What a fucking bullshit!
Posted by: RB | Oct 10 2023 15:51 utc | 41
Well it's not precisely zero but it's effectively zero at least here in the United states. I think you're confused by the fact that all Democrats are pro Palestinian all Republicans seem to be Pro Israeli, but there's more Nuance than that within the Republican party. Right now Trump defines the Republican party and he is anti-support of Ukraine and roughly Pro Israeli mainly due to being anti-muslim. Now if you're talking about the political parties there's a couple of hundred National us politicians who are both Pro Ukrainian and pro-israeli. You have to realize the pro Israeli contingent in the US politically is vestigial and as we're going through this is going to become more nuanced and balanced. Basically 40% of us here want to stay out of s***. We don't want to be in Ukraine and we don't really want to be in Israel either. So I'm talking about people not politician. So you're correct it's not zero but it's very rare here that somebody is both Pro Palestinian and anti-uclide what I should have said is every Pro Palestinian person here is also Pro Ukraine. I live here right in the middle of it I have a pretty good finger on the pulse of what's going on and the main Dynamics here aren't alignment of propalestinian and pro Ukrainian cheerleading
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 16:14 utc | 55
As the late Jerry Pournelle used to say, conquest is expensive but extermination is cheap. Dropping bombs on Gaza is pretty pointless, like pounding sand. Actually invading Gaza with ground troops would be walking into a trap. But: cutting off food and water, and only keeping them from escaping, well, can you spell "final solution?"
As much as one can sympathize with the Palestinians as individuals, it should be noted that as a mass they are toxic vermin. Lebanon let them in, and that previously prosperous nation was trashed. Jordan let them in - and quickly regretted it, and had to expel them by force. Egypt shares a land border with Gaza and doesn't want any Palestinians any more than Israel does. They are bad karma and everyone knows it.
If people breed like rodents, they and their children will live and die like rodents. Harsh, but true. The real villains here are globalist plutocrats like Elon Musk, and their intellectual whores like Milton Friedman and Julian Simon, who have screamed and howled that more people are ALWAYS better, that people MUST have enormous families regardless of circumstance. Well, that hasn't worked out in Bangladesh, or Pakistan, or Somalia, or Brazil, or Yemen, or the Philippines, or Afghanistan... and it hasn't worked out well in the Gaza Strip.
Right now there are about 2.5 million people in the Gaza Strip, a tiny piece of arid land. If you give the Palestinians enough food, in 20 years there would be 5 million. Then 10 million. then 20, 40, 80, 160... No they are not going to be the next Singapore, that was a small special case that does not scale up to global size. It is simply irrelevant whether or not the Palestinians gain access to Israel's resources, they will consume all available resources and be left no better than they are today. The Palestinians are not so much trying to invade Israel, as to escape from themselves. As are all those other refugees invading over the southern border of the United States...
Posted by: TG | Oct 10 2023 16:16 utc | 56
Its high time war criminal Netanyahu and his war crazy cohorts stand trial a la Nurenberg 2.0.
Posted by: expat | Oct 10 2023 16:16 utc | 57
Given the amount of highly implausible events and representations going on in this conflict, I’m keep my vision blurred and focusing in the bigger picture. Simplicius The Thinker has some decent takes on what may be going on, worth taking a look at.
On thing for certain: The IDF can give itself carte-blanche to mow the entire Gaza Lawn Strip and care not a whit what the RoW has to say about it. A pity the apartheid welfare state will continue hoovering over ten million a day from the US tax base….
Despite the likelihood that they knew about and perhaps helped plan and engineer this spectacular event, it will be tricky to put the nasty genie back in the bottle once the fire spreads. I suppose one end game is getting Iran finally good and destroyed. Good luck with that.
Posted by: Chevrus | Oct 10 2023 16:16 utc | 58
I meant to say, the main Dynamic going on here is a perfect alignment between Pro Palestinians and Pro ukrainian. You cannot find people here who are pro Palestinian and pro-russian with respect to the conflict in the Ukraine
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 16:16 utc | 59
how many hundreds of not thousands of women. Childred, old folks have been blown to bits, eh?
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 47
Glad you finally understand why Israel must be destroyed. /s
Or do you think the black/Jewish insurrectionists are to blame for the massacres they suffered after the uprising?
According to you, all of these insurrectionists are "liberal Marxist communist socialist anarchist Bidenist genocidal lunatics and fascists alike", right?
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:17 utc | 60
Is there even a legitimate international body for prosecution of war crimes?
Posted by: Forest | Oct 10 2023 16:18 utc | 61
Posted by: Slat1 | Oct 10 2023 16:14 utc | 53
They use the term "hypersonic ballistic" missile.
I interpret this as not "hypersonic supermaneouverable" missile.
Which means that it's just a ballistic missile capable of hypersonic speeds.
As I understand it, they have merely achieved what American and Russian ICBMs are capable of: Hypersonic travel along a predictable ballistic trajectory.
So it's not an Avanguard, Khinzal or a DF-ZF series type of weapon - cannot maneuver at hypersonic speeds.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 16:19 utc | 62
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 16:16 utc | 59
To point out a problem: the proponents of the two-state solution are not "pro-Palestinian", they are just moderate Zionists.
Many of the supporters of the two-state solution here frantically condemn Hamas and this attack. Yes, there are a lot of them.
And most here are true anti-Zionists, i.e., supporters of a one-state solution.
By definition, a two-state solution still allows a Zionist state to exist, which of course is pro-Zionist.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:20 utc | 63
🇮🇱 Israel state-TV channel 12: A settler tells story of her encounter with Hamas fighters. Watch.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/67121
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2023 16:20 utc | 64
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2023 16:20 utc | 64
I can't access the telegram link, the focus is ?
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:22 utc | 65
b. - please display some of your native German efficiency and clean up all the stinky meth-heads polluting the bar today?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 16:22 utc | 66
Posted by: Psycho | Oct 10 2023 15:11 utc | 11
Reddit is NAFO-occupied territory. Always has been. I would also wager it is, like Wikipedia has become since 2010, a sandbox for glowies.
Posted by: Lemming | Oct 10 2023 16:25 utc | 67
Egypt has sent a humanitarian aid convoy toward Gaza. Israel promised to bomb it.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 16:25 utc | 68
A fairly serious condemnation of the thug nitenyaahooo from an israeli publication:
Posted by: Taras 77 | Oct 10 2023 16:25 utc | 69
I have a pretty good finger on the pulse of what's going on and the main Dynamics here aren't alignment of propalestinian and pro Ukrainian cheerleading
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 16:14 utc | 55
Can you give me an example of one politician who is pro Ukrainian and pro Palestinian?
Posted by: RB | Oct 10 2023 16:26 utc | 70
it should be noted that as a mass they are toxic vermin. Lebanon let them in, and that previously prosperous nation was trashed. Jordan let them in - and quickly regretted it, and had to expel them by force.
Posted by: TG | Oct 10 2023 16:16 utc | 56
It must not be pro-genocide and blaming the Palestinians for the civil war that resulted from Israel's intervention in Lebanon in an attempt to expel the Palestinians, right?
If you even see Palestinian attempts to overthrow a corrupt Jordanian king as a bad thing, it's reasonable to question where you're getting these anti-Palestinian talking points from.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:27 utc | 71
Lavrov has penned a long article that sums up the recent geopolitical trend and reasons for it. The first half of his third paragraph provides the essence of the reasons for the Palestinian conflict:
"The hallmark of the "collective West" has long been the rejection of the principle of equality and the associated total inability to negotiate. Accustomed to looking down on the rest of the world, in line with the logic of "leader" and "follower", the Americans and their European satellites often take on obligations, including written and legally binding ones. And then they simply don't fulfill them. As President Vladimir Putin noted, the West is a veritable "empire of lies." We, like many other countries, know this firsthand." [My Emphasis]
The entire translated letter will eventually appear at my substack.
the thug
Posted by: Taras 77 | Oct 10 2023 16:25 utc | 69
Reminds me of the Democrats condemning Trump for putting children in cages and then continuing to put them in cages when they got into office.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:29 utc | 73
it should be noted that as a mass they are toxic vermin. Lebanon let them in, and that previously prosperous nation was trashed. Jordan let them in - and quickly regretted it, and had to expel them by force.
Posted by: TG | Oct 10 2023 16:16 utc | 56
For a moment there I thought you were talking about the Jews ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 16:29 utc | 74
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 16:29 utc | 74
Proving once again that Zionist ideology is exactly the same as Nazi ideology, including the way they depersonalize the targets of ethnic cleansing.
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:32 utc | 75
#52. The village idiot.
Butbutbut...muh dumocracy!!! Dem palastinian women, children, an old folk didn't get to vote on mass suicide...suicide by...MEN. Which proves yer own status as a male supremacist and toxic masculine. Ain't Colin a male name???? Or is it colon-appropriate.
The/a Soviet army was very near Warsaw, having smashed their way very quickly almost to that city when the Warsaw revolt began. Those who planned said revolt (I have read in many books) fully expected that Soviet Army to arrive and result not in their destruction, but their salvation and victory. But odd, said Soviet army just sat there and waited till it was over, and then took over the ruins.
Jim Jones types...and armchair (or highchair) warriors only celebrate taking others with them when they jump off a cliff. By the way, that's called murder.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Oct 10 2023 16:34 utc | 76
the ashkeNAZIS have outright stated they are going to "liquidate" the "resistance". the "triumph of the will" association with animals is predictable; no mention of zyklon b or ovens but i'm sure they could use them and still have the western world (and putin) sit back and watch. hezbollah, iran and syria are the only ones with the guts to do anything. US warships are probably showing up to respond to that; hopefully any meddling will go as well as trump's tantrum against syria where most missiles got shot down. putin won't do anything because he loves the taste of netanyahu's balls too much.
the palestinians and their allies are going to have to rely on asymmetric "warfare" as usual. we're about to witness the first real time live streamed shoah and the nazis this time will be celebrated just like they are here in canadia and the country FKA ukraine.
Posted by: lumpenpairen | Oct 10 2023 16:35 utc | 77
Israel has amassed over 3,5000 troops on the border of Gaza, in the last two days.
They wont obtain peace that way.
If they carry out their threat it will bring about their own self distrution as a nation, and only rightly so.
Do unto others...
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 10 2023 16:35 utc | 78
Just watched i24 (Israeli news on cable), noon Eastern news:
--Still Hamas forces inside Israel
--New infiltrations (border not secure)
--More fighting in the north
--Video of white phosphorus being dropped inside Lebanon
--IDF ambulances seen in north, number/status of casualties not known
Posted by: Manage without me | Oct 10 2023 16:36 utc | 79
Can you give me an example of one politician who is pro Ukrainian and pro Palestinian?
Posted by: RB | Oct 10 2023 16:26 utc | 70
AOC, Tlaib, Ilhan Omar a lot more of them secretly. Even if keep their heads low in the heat of moment, their heart lies with palestine
Problem is legacy israeli support.
Right at moment suicidal to support the type of attack on civilians. Doesn't change the underlying dynamic.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 16:38 utc | 80
Get your s*** together. Align with the people who want decency, who want peace, who wants civil society, who want to diminish power structures not build them up for annihilation of others, people who want humans to flourish through love, education, and productive and creative potential. It's sad to see that this site is filled with nothing but nihilists.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 15
Dawg you hit it on the head, something has been bothering me about the mail I've been seeing here since Hamas hit the Israelis, and its all about DA EVIL JOOOS!!! and the bloodbath that has ensued as a result of the attack. I could care less for the politics here, but the slaughter of civilians, Jews or Palestinians, is brutal in the extreme. Now Israel is bombing the shit out of Gaza and damn the collateral damage. How is anyone better off? Did Israel have it coming? Hell yes, but the cheerleaders and trolls have taken over and are gang raping anyone who disagrees with their views, trashing dissent.
Just look at the number of comments regarding the Israeli conflict compared to Ukraines, Ukraine numbers have dropped to nothing comparatively. Its just goddamn sad as hell. I think I'm done with this site.
Posted by: madmarc | Oct 10 2023 16:39 utc | 81
….If people breed like rodents, they and their children will live and die like rodents. Harsh, but true.……
Are the Jewish Orthodox in Israel also vermin ? Their TFR is over 6.
Article: Haredim are biggest threat to Israel ( not Arabs )
Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2023 16:39 utc | 82
" In one rare deviation from the propaganda deluge, Palestinian National Initiative leader Mustafa Barghouti was interviewed by Fareed Zakaria on CNN yesterday, in which he was permitted to make the point that armed resistance is the inevitable result of the refusal of the government of Israel to recognize any other form of opposition by Palestinians as legitimate: “If we struggle in a military form, we are terrorists. If we struggle in a non-violent way, we are described as violent. If we even resist with words, we are described as provocateurs.”
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 32
Thank you for that Colin. So spot on. This is self defense.
I'll add to it, that occupied populations have - according to the UN - every right to self defense and armed rebellion. UN "law" recognizes that explicitly.
Frankly, I'm feeling this way about the coup now occupying the US.
Whis is why Hillary Clinton talks about the need to "reprogram" half the country. Like the witch burnings, this is a civilizational struggle.
Posted by: oracle | Oct 10 2023 16:40 utc | 83
TG - Racist drivel should really be ignored, but I can't help myself:
Palestinian immigrants to western countries, US, Canada, Mexico, S American countries, etc. are fantastically successful in business and life.
It almost seems like people generally behave poorly when they are treated like slaves, like Palestinians are treated in their homeland and surrounding nations.
Posted by: Caliman | Oct 10 2023 16:41 utc | 84
b. - please display some of your native German efficiency and clean up all the stinky meth-heads polluting the bar today?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 16:22 utc | 66
Is that a request for him to delete your moronic posts?
You are definitely worst the polluter, both in volume and toxicity.
You must be getting paid by someone to spend so much time here, or a loser.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 16:41 utc | 85
It's so sad.
Israel is proving to be the great evil in the world.
Posted by: Merandor | Oct 10 2023 16:42 utc | 86
A thought on morality:
If a bunch of Nazi German youth had gathered for a ball outside Auschwitz and the prisoners had broken out and massacred the whole lot, would there been an outcry in the west about "war crimes" or "murder of civilians" ?
I think not.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 16:42 utc | 87
b. - please display some of your native German efficiency and clean up all the stinky meth-heads polluting the bar today?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 16:22 utc | 66
who the hell do you think you are. Go start your own blog.
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 16:42 utc | 88
What Hamas is alleged to have done in Israel constitutes war crimes, but what is being done to Gaza in reprisal is a mixture of war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The sad reality of this situation is that neither side comes to it with clean hands. If the MSM and the Western public are going to weep about the dead izzies, they might think to shed a few tears about the innocent but dead muzzies, whose body count will no doubt dwarf that of the izzies.
Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Oct 10 2023 16:43 utc | 89
@Colin | Oct 10 2023 16:22 utc | 65
I can't access the telegram link, the focus is ?She tells the story of the armed fighters entering her home with her two children. The fighters told her in English that they would not hurt the family. Asked for permission to eat a banana. And left after a couple of hours.
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 10 2023 16:43 utc | 90
Its just goddamn sad as hell. I think I'm done with this site.
Posted by: madmarc | Oct 10 2023 16:39 utc | 81
*rolls eyes* There's another moron who'll be sticking around way past his shelf life.
Let me try this again:
Please piss off. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 16:44 utc | 91
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/10/ytol-o10.html
Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:20 utc | 19
I give them credit. Despite their ridiculous line on Russia, succumbing to TDS, critical support for every astro turf Dem protest and ocd about COVID, they've done a good job so far on Israel.
This party is a good school of marxism, but it's not revolutionary. Hopefully the shock of events in the last four years will wake it up. Problem is there's too many crypto Dem grad students and not enough workers with this group.
"Members of the party untested in the class struggle must not be placed in responsible positions. No matter how talented and de voted to socialism an emigrant from the bourgeois milieu may be, before becoming a teacher, he must first go to school in the working class. Young intellectuals must not be placed at the head of the intellectual youth but sent out into the provinces for a few years, into the purely proletarian centers, for hard practical work.
The class composition of the party must correspond to its class program. The American section of the Fourth International will either become proletarian or it will cease to exist."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/idom/dm/index.htm
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 10 2023 16:48 utc | 92
Question: why EU won’t assume the responsibility for this all mess that was created after ww2 and take all those refugees 2 millions Palestinians.
Posted by: Innuendo | Oct 10 2023 15:09 utc | 9
Answer-Question: why EU should assume the responsibility for this all mess that was created after ww2 and take all those refugees 2 millions Palestinians.
Posted by: 600w | Oct 10 2023 16:48 utc | 93
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1711777231054553209
Breaking🚨: IDF was firing at Hamas during the music festival - unarmed ravers were not targeted - they were caught in the cross fire!!!
Posted by: Manage without me | Oct 10 2023 16:50 utc | 94
'This may indicate the Hamas offensive is not out of steam yet...'
This is just too easy, but what the fark ..Exactly! Just like, and right up there with the glorious Ukie Offensive! That this 'offensive' has lasted 2 days means nothing up there in cloud coocoo land.
Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Oct 10 2023 16:51 utc | 95
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 16:16 utc | 59
No. The main dynamic is anti Russian pro Ukrainian pro Israel.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 10 2023 16:52 utc | 96
Posted by: Innuendo | Oct 10 2023 15:09 utc | 9
Germany should take responsibility and take all the israelis back. And then someone build a good tall wall around the whole rotten heap.
Posted by: Michael A | Oct 10 2023 16:52 utc | 97
“Tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.” - Aeschylus
If, like me, you are a bit worn by the happenings of the past few days and the volume of comments here - though many good – take a moment to view these two videos that were linked by Declan Hayes at SCF in an article about the Nobel Peace Prize sham.
Although NATO would argue that their prophets of peace cannot be everyone’s cup of tea, ideally all such prizes should go to those who are pure of heart and have the innocence of children like this young innocent American schoolgirl who, with the eloquence of Bobby Kennedy following MLK’s murder, addresses her classmates in this video as to how young American children like them must help those young children who are less fortunate. That young girl was Rachel Corrie, who was martyred in Gaza when the Israeli Army drove over her in circumstances the Israelis dispute, like they dispute all the other murders they partake in on a more or less daily basis.
Rachel Corrie (1 min.)
Bobby Kennedy (5 min.)
Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 10 2023 16:52 utc | 98
As much as I can understand that anti-colonialist-minded people have a tendency to equate Israel with the old European colonial powers or with the South African apartheid regime, this is a very one-sided view of the Middle East problem.
Some facts should be considered.
1. In 1948, Arab states prevented the establishment of an Arab Palestine.
2. until the foundation of the state of Israel, the Jews in Palestine called themselves Palestinian Jews and the Arabs called themselves Arabs.
3. there is an amazing parallel with the Sudeten Germans, who only called themselves that after the First World War in order to undermine the Czechoslovak state.
Just as the majority of the Sudeten Germans were in favour of Hitler, the Mufti of Jerusalem al-Husseini, a relative of Arafat, collaborated with the Nazis.
With each war, the political position of the Palestinians became weaker.
Instead of seeing the voluntary Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon and Gaza as an opportunity for peace talks, it was absurdly seen as a great victory for the Palestinians.
7 As a last chance, the Palestinians now resorted to sheer terrorism with the consequence that India (over 1.4 billion inhabitants) for the first time clearly sided with Israel.
8 Russia, too, will not abandon its compatriots who have emigrated to Israel in case of doubt.
Shalom and Salaam
Otto Kern
DE-37412 Herzberg-the Esperanto City
Germany
Posted by: Otto Kern | Oct 10 2023 16:53 utc | 99
Posted by: Manage without me | Oct 10 2023 16:50 utc | 94
Thank you that makes way more sense. I still have no clue why none of the mostly white stranded cars had any blood or bullet holes.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 10 2023 16:55 utc | 100
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https://t.me/intelslava/51713
Well, they’re certainly trying to flatten Gaza
Posted by: Down South | Oct 10 2023 14:44 utc | 1