Yup.
For those who were wondering what the ‘plan’ to save Ukraine was.
Nato has decided to bite off its nose to spite its face.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 10 2023 14:48 utc | 3

I’m beginning to see other parallels with the Ukraine-Russia war:
The obsession with “territorial capture” is back in the media, mainstream and alternative there is this talk of the IDF retaking territory previously captured by Hamas as if Hamas ever intended holding on.
There is talk of the IDF “driving” the Al Quds, Al Qassam brigades back to Gaza as if these forces ever intended to hang around and go toe-to-toe with the IDF.
In short, the same delusions that usually cloud Western military thinking in the modern era are creeping in and compounding the delusions already lying thick upon the ground.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 14:50 utc | 5

Sooner or later Israel neighbors will have the means to destroy Israel, unless they change their evil ways, (which I doubt)

Posted by: Viktor | Oct 10 2023 14:51 utc | 7

Israel is walking into a trap. I doubt this will end with a victory for them. The Arab world isn’t going to sit on its hands while Israel tries to remove Palestinians from Gaza. There are multiple ways arab states can make the US pay for their support of Israel that don’t involve military action.

Posted by: Antonia | Oct 10 2023 14:51 utc | 9

The U.S. of course would jump in on Israel’s side.
Posted by b on October 10, 2023 at 14:42 UTC | Permalink
The presence of the U.S in Palestine would probably unfold as it did during the Lebanese civil war:
– Carriers bombing Palestinian villages
– Barracks full of marines getting blown to smithereens …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 14:51 utc | 11

Copying “human animal behavior” is equally bad. Nethanyahu is so dumb: good way to loose your leadership position in a month or so.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 10 2023 15:03 utc | 13

Hamas fighters are not “terrorists”. The real terrorists are those who have robbed the Palestinians of their homeland, who have driven them into reservations for more than 75 years, who desecrate the shrines of another religion, who bombard densely populated residential areas in Gaza and Lebanon with phosphorus.

Posted by: CIROC | Oct 10 2023 15:05 utc | 15

Question: why EU won’t assume the responsibility for this all mess that was created after ww2 and take all those refugees 2 millions Palestinians.

Posted by: Innuendo | Oct 10 2023 15:09 utc | 17

Palestinians are obviously big losers here. Israelis are also big losers. Israel is responsible for no attempt of integration or equal rights to the Palestinians, or giving breathing room. Palestinians are under some sort of extremist influence. But Israel is more responsible since their Talmud does not permit to solve any problems with non-jews.
The disruption to Israel’s economy, society is large, and Hamas is still shooting mass rocket strikes into Tel Aviv. They now warned people in Ashkelon to leave, as it is next. Palestinians have nothing to lose, 80% support Hamas, there will be a new volunteer for every fallen one.
Israel is yet to set foot in Gaza. They are trying to flush them out with blockade of water and electricity. Iran’s strategy is to weaken its enemies, US, Israel and Saudi Arabia through proxy wars and currently seems they are succeeding. Israel attacking in Gaza will bring the fight to equal foot, that means, stripping them of air force advantage.
The actions and messaging in EU and the US is despicable, but what do you expect.
IIRC Palestinians also managed to capture something like 14 Merkava tanks as a bonus, which most likely they would disable permanently. Israel has a fleet of about 350 Merkava tanks. The US will obviously give them more.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:10 utc | 19

Why are there so many idiots on reddit? Damn, these animals can’t think critically.

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 10 2023 15:11 utc | 21

Hot off the presses:
Hamas attacks Israeli city Ashkelon with rockets, post warning to residents
BREAKING Hamas tells Israelis to leave Ashkelon by 5pm
(Ashkelon is the northern terminus for the Trans-Israel pipeline, which brings petroleum products from Eilat to an oil terminal at the port. The Ashkelon seawater reverse osmosis (SWRO) desalination plant is the largest in the world.)
This may indicate the Hamas offensive is not out of steam yet …
Al-manar claims the attacks on Ashkelon are coming in from the sea other sources claim it’s rocket fire.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 15:12 utc | 23

The situation in Occupied Palestine is part of the civilization war humanity is in.
In case you haven’t noticed, there are nations out there that don’t like the way our species is dis(organized) in the West and are finally doing something about it.
This conflict is existential for empire and those that think themselves better than others. They can commit war crimes until they lose the war and are prosecuted for such which I hope happens soon.
Our species is not showing itself well to the aliens in the Cosmos……we don’t play well with others.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 10 2023 15:12 utc | 25

Lol! Khadyrov you old mischief maker:

Ramzan Kadyrov, the leader of Chechnya, has extended support to Palestine in a video message released.
In the message, Kadyrov expressed solidarity with Palestine and urged leaders of Muslim nations to form a coalition while appealing to their Western allies to avoid civilian casualties.
Kadyrov also offered to deploy Chechen units as peacekeepers to help “restore order”.
Gaza-based Hamas Palestinian resistance movement launched on Saturday a surprise operation in which its fighters infiltrated and controlled several Israeli settlements in Gaza envelope and fired thousands of rockets at Al-Quds and several Israeli cities.

(Al Manar)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 15:13 utc | 27

This is become a really weird place.
Here in the United states, we have a block of people who have similar traits. They are pro transgenderism, Pro critical race theory, Pro Southern immigration, woke, anti-family, anti -christian , cancel culturing, anti-russian, Pro Ukraine, pro Palestinian.
There is zero overlap of people who are pro Israeli and pro ukrainian. All Pro Ukrainian people are pro Palestinian.
In other words, here in the United States it’s only crazed liberal Marxist who are pro Palestinian, and also behind all the US funding for Ukraine.
I would go so far as to say is most Jews in the United States are not Zionist at all I really don’t give a damn about Israel or dislike it or are embarrassed about it.
There is a balanced perspective on the Middle East that doesn’t have to be crazed Pro Israeli or crazed Pro Palestinian.
So this ends up to be a unique space with a very unusual alignment of propalestinian and anti-ukrainian.
Everybody wants to stop history at the place that’s most convenient for their narrative.
I think what I’ve outlined above is true for most European countries too.
The problem is, you’re going to lose all support here for a defensive Russia by jumping in bed with all the crazies outlined above, and whether you like it or not that’s what you’re doing. People here could take a problem solving perspective on Israel instead of a reflexive weird anti-semitic. I’m almost getting the feeling the people here aren’t pro-russian as they are anti-American and anti West. Well that sentiment is understandable it lacks meaningful perspective. Nobody wants to live in most of the countries that are anti-west first of all. Second of all the West is split Within itself.
So 40 to 50% of people in the West don’t want our leaders to be doing what they’re doing, screwing around in every country or pursuing hegemity as everybody here likes to say or being a neocon or any of that.
The problem is everybody here is shouting a bunch of contradictions. And by and large I don’t see anybody here supporting civil society. And if you think the Russian government or the Chinese government is a good model for civil society then you’ve completely lost any and all legitimacy.
Basically all I see here is people cheerleading for the annihilation of their perceived enemies with no plan thereafter. Hope that feels good but believe me if you’re not trying to solve problems and advocating for pro Civil Society, then you’re just one more person living by the sword even if only emotionally and psychologically.
Get your s*** together. Align with the people who want decency, who want peace, who wants civil society, who want to diminish power structures not build them up for annihilation of others, people who want humans to flourish through love, education, and productive and creative potential. It’s sad to see that this site is filled with nothing but nihilists.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 29

Palestinians are obviously big losers here.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:10 utc | 10
As opposed to pre-offensive when they were winning, right?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 31

Israel based its country security on the fear and invincibility of their army. The losses they had under an opponent (hamas) they grossly underestimated cannot be tolerated, therefore they must do something really huge to re-establish the fear.
At least this is what they think, It’s existential for them.
Arab world is complex and alliances are never secured for a long time. So they may still look the other way once again while the Palestinian are methodically eradicated by Israel.
Yet it’s still possible that they’ll go too far and Arab states will react with a war.
Israel is probably under the impression Tsahal is as strong as it was in the war they waged against other Arab states, but i think it’s no longer the case. Arab states especially Iran and Syria are now battle hardened and even on the technological point of view I think Iran is ahead of Israel in matter of drone warfare.
Therefore yes it’s possible that the conflict will degenerate into a full fledged regional war, followed by a nuclear bombing by Israel on Iran and/or Syria – they will do it if they start to loose.

Posted by: w | Oct 10 2023 15:17 utc | 33

Any typos are on clarities above or due to dictating without proofreading. The smarter among you will be able to follow it from context. The Dumber Ones Will snarky comments about grammar or spelling. If I see you snarky, about grammar spelling or syntax then I’ll know but it’s simply somebody who’s not smart enough to decipher the what I’m saying from context.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:20 utc | 35

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/10/ytol-o10.html

Former US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley, a candidate for the Republican presidential primary nomination, declared that the uprising was “not just an attack on Israel” but “an attack on America,” directly demanding that Netanyahu “finish them.” Netanyahu, for his part, declared ominously yesterday, “What we will do to our enemies in the next few days will echo for generations.”
Behind all this ferocious imperialist hypocrisy is the fundamental class attitude of the oppressors to any resistance by the oppressed, whether it is in Gaza or anywhere else. “We, the oppressors, are free to use force whenever we decide that it serves our interests,” they say. “We can bomb you indiscriminately, we can blockade and starve you, we can rob you and imprison you and kneel on your necks. But force is our monopoly and our sole prerogative. You, the oppressed, are not under any circumstances permitted to use force in response.” It is this class attitude that animates the repeated use of the word “terrorist” to describe anyone who takes up arms against the occupation.
Underscoring the degree of hypocrisy involved, it is worth pointing out that in a New York Times article in August of last year, “Behind Enemy Lines, Ukrainians Tell Russians ‘You Are Never Safe,’” correspondent Andrew Kramer celebrated the work of Ukrainian terror squads carrying out assassinations with car bombs behind Russian lines: “They sneak down darkened alleys to set explosives. They identify Russian targets for Ukrainian artillery and long-range rockets provided by the United States. They blow up rail lines and assassinate officials they consider collaborators with the Russians.” Such methods are permissible to proxies of American imperialism, just not to those resisting its proxies.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:20 utc | 37

Let’s wait for the 2 millions refugees from Gaza join the EU. Nice.

Posted by: Innuendo | Oct 10 2023 15:21 utc | 39

This area has been fought over for how long?
4000 years, give or take.
So long ago the 2 religions festering the fighting weren’t even born yet.
It won’t end this year or the next. It will simply continue as long as the area is habitable.
Remember when when the O’bama admin, and now the Biden admin claimed that climate change was the largest threat to the world?
They might want to rethink that.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Oct 10 2023 15:23 utc | 41

Israel based its country security on the fear and invincibility of their army.
Israel is probably under the impression Tsahal is as strong as it was in the war they waged against other Arab states, but i think it’s no longer the case.
Posted by: w | Oct 10 2023 15:17 utc | 17
The original IDF that fought those wars were led by men who had fought in WW2, many in the Red Army. They knew the harshest of wars.
There are no ex-Red-Army remnants in the IDF now, of course. So the expectation that the IDF of this century is somehow equivalent to that of the 1960s and 1970s is unrealistic.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 10 2023 15:24 utc | 43

The Arab world isn’t going to sit on its hands while Israel tries to remove Palestinians from Gaza.
Posted by: Antonia | Oct 10 2023 14:51 utc | 5

If history is any indication, “sit on their hands” is exactly what Arab states will do. This is unlikely to change until and unless the peoples of those states hoist the heads of their leaders — most of whom are US clients — on pikes.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 15:26 utc | 45

The tragedy is that the Likud Leadership really doesn’t fathom how bloodthirsty they sound to most of the world.
It’s also tragic that the Likud keeps doubling down on its failed strategy of creating facts on the ground. Doubling down on failure just means more failure.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 10 2023 15:32 utc | 47

I’m almost getting the feeling the people here aren’t pro-russian as they are anti-American and anti West.

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And by and large I don’t see anybody here supporting civil society. And if you think the Russian government or the Chinese government is a good model for civil society then you’ve completely lost any and all legitimacy.

&

There is a balanced perspective on the Middle East that doesn’t have to be crazed Pro Israeli or crazed Pro Palestinian.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 15
You condemn others for not supporting Russia and then condemn Russia for not being a “civil society”, curious.
That must be your “balanced perspective”, right. /s
You keep equating opposition to Zionism with anti-Semitism without any evidence, and then claim that you have no dog in the race and that anyone who opposes you is irrational and nihilistic, making all sorts of personal attack assertions. Surely that must not be irrational, right? /s
Since you think that’s what makes you not nihilistic, we are proud and happy to be recognized as nihilistic by you.
Posted by: w | Oct 10 2023 15:17 utc | 17
They are too cowardly to use nukes as they did in the six-day war.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:33 utc | 49

This war could really, really escalate and do so soon.
Posted by b on October 10, 2023 at 14:42 UTC | Permalink

Which may well be the point. Perhaps RF didn’t take the bait with the SMO so the Israel-Palestine card is being played. If they block escape routes and bomb civilians and distribute media showing the same, that will for sure inflame many in the region so it must be assumed such inflammation is one of the desired ends – if not indeed the main one – and finally they get the world war they’ve always wanted.
Why that might be, one is hard pressed to understand. One has to enter into Old Testament Demonic-Tribal state of mind which animates so many these days, though hidden in plain sight under the materialist veneer of progressive modernity. It’s who they are; it’s what they do. ‘Hubble, bubble, toil and trouble.’
Meanwhile, oil and inflation will go up, then Ailing America can look forward to another election year (the last?) with Colour Revolution riots albeit this time with more blood in the streets and patriot suburbs, enhanced this time by tens (maybe hundreds?) of thousands of military age Chinese and Iranians receiving funds via debit cards from who-knows-whom, aka the usual suspects.

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 10 2023 15:34 utc | 51

The Israelis are committed to their apartheid and like to hold outdoor concerts right next to the people they are oppressing. It’s like taunting a starving animal in a zoo and expecting the animal to not bite when it gets out of its cage.
This outcome was entirely predictable.
This is yet another vector by which the West is being exposed.
America could fall very quickly if 4 or 5 nations of the world banded against it. In the snap of a finger, the empire could collapse because it’s largely been built on propaganda and financial manipulation, not experience, strength, or technology. When it comes to bullets and bombs, America cannot walk the walk.
Such a fragile perch to be exploiting others from.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:35 utc | 53

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:20 utc | 18
Are you still claiming that it’s reasonable for you to write funder as finder and expect people to see it? You claimed at the time that Ukrainian funders were against Israel, which they clearly weren’t, Biden fully supported Israel. Even AOC is fully on board with giving Israel military support LMFAO.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:37 utc | 55

Saw on Twitter:
Some politicians in Israel want a two front war against Hamas, because they would rather take a bit longer war now and completely “deal with Hamas” versus having to “worry about it later”.
And Israel claims they have found decapacitated babies. No pictures or evidence, just text.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:37 utc | 57

If history is any indication, “sit on their hands” is exactly what Arab states will do. This is unlikely to change until and unless the peoples of those states hoist the heads of their leaders — most of whom are US clients — on pikes.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 15:26 utc | 23
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The Islamic approach is foreign to everyone else. The Hudaybiyyah Treaty gives Muslims a blueprint for how to win without direct confrontation. Like the Chinese, they are playing a long game. Given their orientation towards the afterlife, a much longer game than even the Chinese.
It’s not sitting on their hands. It’s moving in other vectors, marshaling strength such that one day they can march (metaphorically) into Mecca and win without much bloodshed.
Westerners cannot understand this because their first approach is always violence and coercion. The notion of winning without bloodshed doesn’t make for good TV.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:39 utc | 59

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:37 utc | 29
” Israel want a two front war against Hamas…”
meant
Israel want a two front war against Hezbollah

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 10 2023 15:39 utc | 61

In 1831, a slave uprising led by Nat Turner took place in Southampton County, Virginia. The escaped slaves used knives, hatchets and clubs to massacre dozens of white men, women and children. The rebellion was put down with even more extreme savagery, with roving militias and mobs murdering black people on sight regardless of whether they were involved in the rebellion. Turner’s body was flayed and his skin was turned into souvenir purses.
Any objective historian, with the benefit of hindsight, would place the blame for the terrific violence of such uprisings not on the slaves, but on the slave system itself, with all its colossal inhumanity. To denounce the Turner uprising on the grounds that it was “violent” would be hypocritical and ahistorical and would amount to an indirect apology for slavery.
“A slave-owner who through cunning and violence shackles a slave in chains, and a slave who through cunning or violence breaks the chains,” Leon Trotsky wrote in 1938, are not “equals before a court of morality!”
For his part, in his second inaugural address in the midst of the Civil War, Lincoln expressed the idea that the tremendous violence with which the country was afflicted was the inevitable historical reckoning for the institution of slavery, which required that “every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword.”
By the same token, the repression now being carried out by the Israeli government against the population of Gaza is not fundamentally different from that used by Britain against the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya, by France in the Algerian War of Independence, against South Africans struggling against the apartheid regime, or for that matter by the US military against the popular resistance to its occupation of Iraq. As always, the political elites among the oppressors denounce armed resistance as terrorism and then proceed to carry out merciless retribution a thousand times more destructive.
In one rare deviation from the propaganda deluge, Palestinian National Initiative leader Mustafa Barghouti was interviewed by Fareed Zakaria on CNN yesterday, in which he was permitted to make the point that armed resistance is the inevitable result of the refusal of the government of Israel to recognize any other form of opposition by Palestinians as legitimate: “If we struggle in a military form, we are terrorists. If we struggle in a non-violent way, we are described as violent. If we even resist with words, we are described as provocateurs.”

Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 63

If history is any indication, “sit on their hands” is exactly what Arab states will do. This is unlikely to change until and unless the peoples of those states hoist the heads of their leaders — most of whom are US clients — on pikes.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 15:26 utc | 23

Arab states are already acting in a manner they never would have even five years ago. Looking to a long-dead past to predict the future won’t work here. The rules have changed entirely.

Posted by: Antonia | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 65

Sure seems like a good time for Russia to launch their counteroffensive into Ukraine. The Hegemon is stretched about as far as it can go now.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 67

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 10 2023 15:40 utc | 34
Yes, there should be support for getting the overlords into more chaos.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 10 2023 15:41 utc | 69

The smarter ones of us easily recognize that statements like this —

There is zero overlap of people who are pro Israeli and pro ukrainian. All Pro Ukrainian people are pro Palestinian

— are either wholly ignorant or wholly unhinged, and most likely both.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 15:41 utc | 71

It’s really too bad, out of deference to the barkeep who lives in an occupied country with harsh anti-speech laws, that we have to self-censor our critical thinking.
And that truly is the story: how much of the ‘west’ especially the USA is captured by a foreign entity.

Posted by: gottlieb | Oct 10 2023 15:41 utc | 73

The Israelis can massacre the entire population of Gaza while dismissing them as “animals” and the USA will still support them anyway because, after all, “They have the right to defend themselves”. Hamas would like to provoke such a response, hoping it will diminish world support for the colonialist adventure which is Israel. But maybe they actually want the world to see how the USA behaves and thereby undercut USA influence in the world and ultimately eliminate USA unconditional love for Israel and thereby “wipe Israel from the pages of history”.

Posted by: A. Pols | Oct 10 2023 15:43 utc | 75

When it comes to bullets and bombs, America cannot walk the walk.
Such a fragile perch to be exploiting others from.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:35 utc | 27
Probably entirely true. But don’t forget that America has nuclear weapons and has used them in the past. Right know, the people in charge of America are delusional and borderline insane. Impossible to predict how such people would react to the potential loss of power but burning it all to the ground in nuclear armaggedon would certainly fit their personality disorders.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 10 2023 15:45 utc | 77

This is in response to Colin at comment number 25.
I definitely don’t condemn Russia. I don’t think civil society is working well anywhere including the West right now. Russia has a lot of things going on right now that I do like. I think they’re rejection of ptransgenderism and celebration of homosexuality, their promotion of the family the resurrection of the Orthodox Church, their lack of foreign immigration, their rejection of climate alarmism, there’s sense of self-sufficiency. There’s a lot to like about Russia and there’s a lot to hate about the West right now. But there hasn’t always been a lot to hate about the United States. It’s getting worse and worse. Half the West hates itself and the other half hates the half that hates the West. So I’m not throwing anybody out as a model of how it should be.
Russia isn’t perfect by any stretch. There’s been a lot of looting and rule by oligarchy and so forth and that’s no good either.
The reason I support Russia in this particular circumstance with respect to Ukraine is because nobody has to be perfect in order to have legitimate security concerns that ought to be considered and have legitimate self interest that if and French to pawn will cause a conflict period and I do think that NATO and the military complex have become an entity unto themselves and eastward expansion has become a malignancy, and NATO itself at this point is a cancer on civil society. No doubt Russia has a history of being invaded by the West, and it was inevitable that when idiots like Newland decided to just keep going and going that a war was going to ensue and I was against that from the whole way along. So I’m not anti-russian or pro-russian I’m Pro civil society, pro liberty, pro decency and morality, pro peace

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:50 utc | 79

There is zero overlap of people who are pro Israeli and pro ukrainian. All Pro Ukrainian people are pro Palestinian.

What a fucking bullshit!

Posted by: RB | Oct 10 2023 15:51 utc | 81

Of course Israel uses repurposed Nazi tactics and Nazi ideology. That is no secret.
What is anyone going to do about it?

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 10 2023 15:51 utc | 83

I meant infringed upon, not and French to pawn

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:51 utc | 85

Also lost in the Western calculus, is that many Muslims will gladly die for what they believe is a righteous cause because Muslims believe in predestiny, and that their time and manner of death has already been decided by a power much greater than them.
It’s not that they welcome death. It’s that death isn’t the end. What seems a trivial belief can make an enormous difference. No Muslim wants Gaza to be wiped out, but every devout Muslim believes that if they are exterminated by the Jews, paradise awaits (and hellfire for their killers).
Think of the bravery of Christians facing lions in the Colosseum.
How does one fight someone who values human life so differently?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:51 utc | 87

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 10 2023 15:45 utc | 39
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We’re all going to die. Is nuclear fire any worse than watching your loved ones die of cancer? Or getting stabbed in an alley? Or choking to death in an autoerotic scene gone wrong?
One could call nuclear armageddon a mercy by contrast.
I am tired of the “OMG NUKES!!!!” narrative. I hid under my desk in school as a kid. The problem with fearmongering (like abuse) is that the target eventually habituates to it and the efficacy plunges towards zero.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 10 2023 15:56 utc | 89

Rules of propaganda.
If you are going to run a story about 40 babies with their heads cut off, don’t smirk while you are telling it.
https://twitter.com/EylonALevy/status/1711725099299053922

Posted by: Andy | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 91

#16. Oh, of course they aren’t ‘big loosers.’ I know that from the 7 or 8 hundred deliriously happy posts here yesterday. Israel was colossally defeated! Israel was about to be cut in two! Freedom fighters are in the suburbs of Tel Aviv!…! Oh…wait. As one of you sniffed this morning…what tosh, of course the heroic freedom fighters never intended to hold any ground…how silly to think so!
You asked …losers as opposed to before? Why again, of course not as Israel dropped tons of bombs, cuts off all water, food, electricity and IS JUST STARTING. Since their schlocky Spartacus moment (only this time with a happy Marxist ending, right oh uncompromising tiger,!) how many hundreds of not thousands of women. Childred, old folks have been blown to bits, eh? And at your keyboard you comfy widdle 12 hours a day, that’s not much of a price to pay for NOTHING.
As this whole performance was and is a false flag in every way, it, and you blowhard nerds, are even more contemptible, if that is possible, than usual. Your freedom fighters were either manipulated by the feds a la jan.6, or decided to commit suicide while taking thousands of their own people with them. So the likes of you can pontificate about the blahblahblah glory of…something or other.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 93

After a reported Russian missle killed 52 people in Ukraine, Un inspectors were on the ground within a day for a war crimes investigation. Israel killed over 10 times that many civilians in 2 days, while cutting off food and electricity, bombing hospitals, and killing at least 6 journalists, and nothing. Among the casualties in this war is the humanitarian fig leaf the West has tried to use in Ukraine.

Posted by: Bob | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 95

@ Depewty Dawg | Oct 10 2023 15:16 utc | 15
You would think the pro-Palestinian types in the US would feel a similar sort of sympathy for the Donbas inhabitants, who have been abused by their own gov’t with the full support of the neocons in the State Dept. Nope.

Posted by: Frank McGar | Oct 10 2023 16:04 utc | 97

@ Bob | Oct 10 2023 16:00 utc | 48
In all fairness, the UN remembers how Israel treats unwanted outsider-snoopers. Remember Folke Bernadotte?

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 10 2023 16:05 utc | 99