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October 9, 2023
Egypt Claims It Warned Israel Of Upcoming Attack

Will this finally end Netanyahoo's rein?

Egypt says Israel ignored warnings Hamas planned major offensive – Yedioth Ahranoth – Oct 9 2023

Egypt warned Israel of a pending Hamas attack ten days before terrorists breached the border and took control of military bases, and communities, killing more than 700 and taking 150 captive including women and children.

"We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings,” the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the content of sensitive intelligence discussions with the media, told The Associated Press.

The Egyptian official said the Israelis were concentrated on the tension on the West Bank and did not consider the Gaza ruling terror group to be a threat despite repeated warningד that the Egyptians though were not being taken seriously.

One would hope so. But the story will certainly be denied. And due to the war Bibi may still keep his seat.

Posted by b on October 9, 2023 at 15:42 UTC | Permalink
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Netanyahu provoked this mess by letting white supremacist type people run amok on the Temple Mount and in the illegal settlements. They left the door open on purpose. The goal of the operation is to silence decent that impedes his options to achieve power over the courts and hence authoritarian powers over Israel. From the white supremacist point of view the far right has already achieved its goal. Netanyahu will do whatever it takes.

Posted by: ATM | Oct 9 2023 15:50 utc | 1

Netanyahu provoked this mess by letting white supremacist type people run amok on the Temple Mount and in the illegal settlements. They left the door open on purpose. The goal of the operation is to silence decent that impedes his options to achieve power over the courts and hence authoritarian powers over Israel. From the white supremacist point of view the far right has already achieved its goal. Netanyahu will do whatever it takes.

Posted by: ATM | Oct 9 2023 15:50 utc | 2

Scott Ritter has an interesting piece on the failure of Israeli/US intelligence involving the overuse of AI and a lack of “contrarian thinking”
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/08/scott-ritter-israels-massive-intelligence-failure/

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 9 2023 15:51 utc | 3

Scott Ritter has an interesting piece on the failure of Israeli/US intelligence involving the overuse of AI and a lack of “contrarian thinking”
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/08/scott-ritter-israels-massive-intelligence-failure/

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 9 2023 15:51 utc | 4

“Benjamin Netanyahu Blamed by Top Israel Newspaper in Scathing Attack” = Haaretz
the editorial board of Israel’s third-biggest newspaper said that the conflict “is the clear responsibility of one person, Benjamin Netanyahu”.
https://www.newsweek.com/netanyahu-haaretz-israel-gaza-blame-attack-1832963
Few would disagree.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 5

“Benjamin Netanyahu Blamed by Top Israel Newspaper in Scathing Attack” = Haaretz
the editorial board of Israel’s third-biggest newspaper said that the conflict “is the clear responsibility of one person, Benjamin Netanyahu”.
https://www.newsweek.com/netanyahu-haaretz-israel-gaza-blame-attack-1832963
Few would disagree.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 6

Makes sense that the Israelis knew about the planned concentration camp escape/rampage in advance – mostly evidenced by the ham-fisted Re’im ‘Peace Festival’ massacre-for-western-consumption fakery. Absolutely nothing makes sense about it and (like Ghouta) nothing but a slow drip of media releases to keep the narrative going.
This doesn’t mean I think the entire Gaza op was fake. Obviously much of it did happen and many people died as a result. To piggyback on *that* event with a pre-manufactured massacre at NovaFest for ‘enhanced’ outrage is just evil.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 7

Makes sense that the Israelis knew about the planned concentration camp escape/rampage in advance – mostly evidenced by the ham-fisted Re’im ‘Peace Festival’ massacre-for-western-consumption fakery. Absolutely nothing makes sense about it and (like Ghouta) nothing but a slow drip of media releases to keep the narrative going.
This doesn’t mean I think the entire Gaza op was fake. Obviously much of it did happen and many people died as a result. To piggyback on *that* event with a pre-manufactured massacre at NovaFest for ‘enhanced’ outrage is just evil.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 8

Rather than clarifying things… this supposed “warning” from Egypt only makes a ridiculous situation seem even more ridiculous.
That doesn’t explain the complete absence of Israeli defense forces from one of the most heavily guarded borders in the world, nor the lack of IDF soldiers during the first several hours of the “attack” on civilians.
It doesn’t explain how Egypt would know about this 10-days in advance, but the Israeli informants embedded in Gaza didn’t know?
It doesn’t explain how people in lawnmower-engine powered paragliders simply flew over the border and even flew over fortified Israeli military bases with virtually no response.
It doesn’t explain how hundreds of “militants” could simply drive vehicles, unnoticed, across a border that has so many sensors that a mouse couldn’t move without detection… nor how they got that close to the border fence without anyone seeing them, although the border area is barren desert with no place to hide.
It doesn’t explain why the majority of “Hamas militants” that stormed the border seem to be milling around unarmed, while only a few seem to be carrying weapons.
It also doesn’t explain why Lame Stream Media is happy to show 6-month old footage and claim it’s from this weekend.
I’m sorry, but the “Egypt warned us, but we chose to ignore them” only adds to the idiocy of the narrative.

Posted by: Retaining_H2O | Oct 9 2023 16:02 utc | 9

Rather than clarifying things… this supposed “warning” from Egypt only makes a ridiculous situation seem even more ridiculous.
That doesn’t explain the complete absence of Israeli defense forces from one of the most heavily guarded borders in the world, nor the lack of IDF soldiers during the first several hours of the “attack” on civilians.
It doesn’t explain how Egypt would know about this 10-days in advance, but the Israeli informants embedded in Gaza didn’t know?
It doesn’t explain how people in lawnmower-engine powered paragliders simply flew over the border and even flew over fortified Israeli military bases with virtually no response.
It doesn’t explain how hundreds of “militants” could simply drive vehicles, unnoticed, across a border that has so many sensors that a mouse couldn’t move without detection… nor how they got that close to the border fence without anyone seeing them, although the border area is barren desert with no place to hide.
It doesn’t explain why the majority of “Hamas militants” that stormed the border seem to be milling around unarmed, while only a few seem to be carrying weapons.
It also doesn’t explain why Lame Stream Media is happy to show 6-month old footage and claim it’s from this weekend.
I’m sorry, but the “Egypt warned us, but we chose to ignore them” only adds to the idiocy of the narrative.

Posted by: Retaining_H2O | Oct 9 2023 16:02 utc | 10

Hmmm, just 10 days ago Jake Sullivan was saying how calm things were in the Middle East.
The Israeli Security services said they didn’t expect any trouble from Hamas in the immediate future.
One wonders if those answers were to the question @How can we reanimate the War Of Terror?’ now that Covid has gone away and we are losing in Ukraine. After all it was a massive boon-doggle for the MIC and a fantastic way of chipping away at the liberties of the law abiding majority.
Now we hear that they had warnings from Egypt (I’m sure not the only ones) – smacks of incompetence which looks more and more wilful.
LIHOP anyone?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2023 16:11 utc | 11

Hmmm, just 10 days ago Jake Sullivan was saying how calm things were in the Middle East.
The Israeli Security services said they didn’t expect any trouble from Hamas in the immediate future.
One wonders if those answers were to the question @How can we reanimate the War Of Terror?’ now that Covid has gone away and we are losing in Ukraine. After all it was a massive boon-doggle for the MIC and a fantastic way of chipping away at the liberties of the law abiding majority.
Now we hear that they had warnings from Egypt (I’m sure not the only ones) – smacks of incompetence which looks more and more wilful.
LIHOP anyone?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Oct 9 2023 16:11 utc | 12

It doesn’t explain how Egypt would know about this 10-days in advance, but the Israeli informants embedded in Gaza didn’t know?

Nobody said they didn’t know, only that Netanyahu ignored whatever they reported, just like he ignored the warning the Egyptian Minister of Intelligence delivered to him him personally on the phone. Netanyahu wanted his own Pearl Harbor moment.

Posted by: aquileia | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 13

It doesn’t explain how Egypt would know about this 10-days in advance, but the Israeli informants embedded in Gaza didn’t know?

Nobody said they didn’t know, only that Netanyahu ignored whatever they reported, just like he ignored the warning the Egyptian Minister of Intelligence delivered to him him personally on the phone. Netanyahu wanted his own Pearl Harbor moment.

Posted by: aquileia | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 14

Looks like another country has been taken over by the intelligence services in a soft coup, this time though their clever, clever antics might have backfired, thanks to Egypt being well versed in recognising the signs of these ‘colour revolutions’.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 9 2023 16:25 utc | 15

Looks like another country has been taken over by the intelligence services in a soft coup, this time though their clever, clever antics might have backfired, thanks to Egypt being well versed in recognising the signs of these ‘colour revolutions’.

Posted by: Milites | Oct 9 2023 16:25 utc | 16

They deliberately ignored the warnings and will try to blame Iran, to get the US to start yet another war.

Posted by: Dave Pollard | Oct 9 2023 16:27 utc | 17

They deliberately ignored the warnings and will try to blame Iran, to get the US to start yet another war.

Posted by: Dave Pollard | Oct 9 2023 16:27 utc | 18

This is not abou Netanyahu, it’s about the terrorist state of Israel having the audacity to call other people terrorists. Who cares whether Netanyahu goes or remains.

Posted by: Steve | Oct 9 2023 16:28 utc | 19

This is not abou Netanyahu, it’s about the terrorist state of Israel having the audacity to call other people terrorists. Who cares whether Netanyahu goes or remains.

Posted by: Steve | Oct 9 2023 16:28 utc | 20

Netanyahu wanted his own Pearl Harbor moment.
Posted by: aquileia | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 7
The problem with this is that the Israeli casualties were enormous, and if it came out seriously that Netanyahu had ignored warnings, it would look very bad for him.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 9 2023 16:29 utc | 21

Netanyahu wanted his own Pearl Harbor moment.
Posted by: aquileia | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 7
The problem with this is that the Israeli casualties were enormous, and if it came out seriously that Netanyahu had ignored warnings, it would look very bad for him.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 9 2023 16:29 utc | 22

RT Feed News Latest:
“Foreign ministers of the Arab League will meet in the Egyptian capital of Cairo on Wednesday to discuss how to end “Israeli aggression” in the Gaza strip, the regional group said on Monday.
Leaders will discuss “avenues of political action“ at both the “Arab and international level,“ to end the violence, according to a statement by the bloc’s deputy chief Hossam Zaki.
The extraordinary session comes in response to a Palestinian request, the statement added.”
ALOT can happen b4 Wednesday.
Nevertheless, I’ll see the show through to the end I guess.
Or just listen for it here and there.
Back to Ukraine, this distraction is getting truly boring.
I’ll go back to something that is actually real and see the victory everyday.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 16:34 utc | 23

RT Feed News Latest:
“Foreign ministers of the Arab League will meet in the Egyptian capital of Cairo on Wednesday to discuss how to end “Israeli aggression” in the Gaza strip, the regional group said on Monday.
Leaders will discuss “avenues of political action“ at both the “Arab and international level,“ to end the violence, according to a statement by the bloc’s deputy chief Hossam Zaki.
The extraordinary session comes in response to a Palestinian request, the statement added.”
ALOT can happen b4 Wednesday.
Nevertheless, I’ll see the show through to the end I guess.
Or just listen for it here and there.
Back to Ukraine, this distraction is getting truly boring.
I’ll go back to something that is actually real and see the victory everyday.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 16:34 utc | 24

Why is Egypt helping Israel?

Posted by: Cyril | Oct 9 2023 16:42 utc | 25

Why is Egypt helping Israel?

Posted by: Cyril | Oct 9 2023 16:42 utc | 26

I urge you to please focus on the general spasm of violence not only in Israel, but in Syria (and also the attack by Turkey, of late), as all related and timed with the ‘breach of border’ attack by Hamas.
Everyone knows that such a breach as they would have us believe, is an utter impossibility with Israeli Security – not a mouse could go undetected crossing from the open-air prison called Gaza into Israel.
In other words, this was all coordinated at the highest need-to-know level to serve-up Israel’s own inside job 9-11.
Why?: 1. 10/07 was Putin’s birthday (no kidding, this is how much hate is within these people’s hearts); 2. This will radicalize the US-funded eastern Syrian fighters so that they can be then shipped to the Ukraine, so to present Russia with a ‘New Israel’ on Russia’s border for decades to come; 3. It helps further to blow-up China’s Silk Road initiative across the Eurasian landmass; 4. It hopes to gum-up the brilliant negotiations of late by China, bringing to the table, unbelievably, Iran and Saudi Arabia and Israel and some of its foes, etc.; 5. The fire is stolen from RFK, Jr.’s announcement of today, 10/09, of an Independent Run and, forces him to join in with the rising bloodlust cry in the West; 6. It allows new vigor and focus to the US Wurlitzer Media, gushing the vengeance of Yahweh in his ‘Promised Land’; 7. It will allow the ghoulish most close-cut ‘mowing the lawn’ (Israeli term for wholesale slaughter of the men, women, and children whom they imprison in their open-air prison); 8 It is hoped the bloodlust unleashed in the U.S. will put the Democrats over the top in the 2024 Election; 9. The Death Merchant’s in the Belt Way will have found a way to fatten the Golden Calf, as the monies to Ukraine are tending of late to slacken; and, last but not least – and likely the ultimate purpose of the plan – to start a war between Israel and IRAN (I should have mentioned also the obvious: it will allow Netanyahu to survive another day, as the ancient bloodlust of the Jews will bind them together, especially given the unprecedented divisions in Israeli society in the last couple of years).
In conclusion, the key point is to connect the dots and see how clearly the fingerprints are all over this planned spasm of violence. We have been here before. Let us learn our lessons.
In conclusion, the critical focus should be

Posted by: Arjuna | Oct 9 2023 16:43 utc | 27

I urge you to please focus on the general spasm of violence not only in Israel, but in Syria (and also the attack by Turkey, of late), as all related and timed with the ‘breach of border’ attack by Hamas.
Everyone knows that such a breach as they would have us believe, is an utter impossibility with Israeli Security – not a mouse could go undetected crossing from the open-air prison called Gaza into Israel.
In other words, this was all coordinated at the highest need-to-know level to serve-up Israel’s own inside job 9-11.
Why?: 1. 10/07 was Putin’s birthday (no kidding, this is how much hate is within these people’s hearts); 2. This will radicalize the US-funded eastern Syrian fighters so that they can be then shipped to the Ukraine, so to present Russia with a ‘New Israel’ on Russia’s border for decades to come; 3. It helps further to blow-up China’s Silk Road initiative across the Eurasian landmass; 4. It hopes to gum-up the brilliant negotiations of late by China, bringing to the table, unbelievably, Iran and Saudi Arabia and Israel and some of its foes, etc.; 5. The fire is stolen from RFK, Jr.’s announcement of today, 10/09, of an Independent Run and, forces him to join in with the rising bloodlust cry in the West; 6. It allows new vigor and focus to the US Wurlitzer Media, gushing the vengeance of Yahweh in his ‘Promised Land’; 7. It will allow the ghoulish most close-cut ‘mowing the lawn’ (Israeli term for wholesale slaughter of the men, women, and children whom they imprison in their open-air prison); 8 It is hoped the bloodlust unleashed in the U.S. will put the Democrats over the top in the 2024 Election; 9. The Death Merchant’s in the Belt Way will have found a way to fatten the Golden Calf, as the monies to Ukraine are tending of late to slacken; and, last but not least – and likely the ultimate purpose of the plan – to start a war between Israel and IRAN (I should have mentioned also the obvious: it will allow Netanyahu to survive another day, as the ancient bloodlust of the Jews will bind them together, especially given the unprecedented divisions in Israeli society in the last couple of years).
In conclusion, the key point is to connect the dots and see how clearly the fingerprints are all over this planned spasm of violence. We have been here before. Let us learn our lessons.
In conclusion, the critical focus should be

Posted by: Arjuna | Oct 9 2023 16:43 utc | 28

This fiasco reminds me of a similar fiasco a decade ago in Benghazi Libya. Remember when “the press” assured everyone that a random ragtag group of individuals spontaneously got together to attack the US embassy, because they had all watched a stupid YouTube video? Everyone was 100% certain this was the cause and the effect. The same clique of foreign policy “experts” were running things at the White House. They had been watching the whole time. They had warned the Ambassador not to travel to Benghazi. They assured the world that there were zero US soldiers nearby that might have helped.
A few weeks or a month later, the initial story proved complete rubbish. There was a US navy SEAL team a short helicopter ride away, and they were told to stand down. There was a CIA safe house with private contractor soldiers less then 15 minutes away, they too were told to stand down. The YouTube video had less than 10 views prior to the attack.
Turned out the CIA safe house was collecting Qaddafi’s weapons, and shipping them to “moderate terrorist groups” in Syria. The definition of “moderate” was “willing to fight Syria’s government”. Rival terrorist groups were not happy at the uneven distribution of weapons, and how it would effect their power in the region. The YouTube video had been watched by less than 10 people, none of whom were anywhere near the middle east. Everything the media and the Obama foreign policy team (NSC, State Dept, DoD, etc) told the public was wrong, and authorities knew it was wrong from the beginning.
Deja vu all over again. The same foreign policy team is in the White House. Their story is very quickly proving to be full of holes. We don’t know the truth, but we already know the official story doesn’t add up.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 9 2023 16:46 utc | 29

This fiasco reminds me of a similar fiasco a decade ago in Benghazi Libya. Remember when “the press” assured everyone that a random ragtag group of individuals spontaneously got together to attack the US embassy, because they had all watched a stupid YouTube video? Everyone was 100% certain this was the cause and the effect. The same clique of foreign policy “experts” were running things at the White House. They had been watching the whole time. They had warned the Ambassador not to travel to Benghazi. They assured the world that there were zero US soldiers nearby that might have helped.
A few weeks or a month later, the initial story proved complete rubbish. There was a US navy SEAL team a short helicopter ride away, and they were told to stand down. There was a CIA safe house with private contractor soldiers less then 15 minutes away, they too were told to stand down. The YouTube video had less than 10 views prior to the attack.
Turned out the CIA safe house was collecting Qaddafi’s weapons, and shipping them to “moderate terrorist groups” in Syria. The definition of “moderate” was “willing to fight Syria’s government”. Rival terrorist groups were not happy at the uneven distribution of weapons, and how it would effect their power in the region. The YouTube video had been watched by less than 10 people, none of whom were anywhere near the middle east. Everything the media and the Obama foreign policy team (NSC, State Dept, DoD, etc) told the public was wrong, and authorities knew it was wrong from the beginning.
Deja vu all over again. The same foreign policy team is in the White House. Their story is very quickly proving to be full of holes. We don’t know the truth, but we already know the official story doesn’t add up.

Posted by: Greg | Oct 9 2023 16:46 utc | 30

Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak warned publicly a few weeks before 9/11/2001 of a looming major attack “outside the region.” His warning was ignored. The Israelis do not want peace. The corrupt and hideously destructive military industrial complex that Ike warned us against does not want peace. Both Tel Aviv and Washington are acting out of sheer desperation as the rest of the world increasingly turns its back on the disastrous failures of the US/NATO perpetual war project. The Atlantic Council’s announcement on April 6 last year in support of Zelensky’s plans for Ukraine as “a big Israel” clearly signaled that Israel, the US, NATO, and their allies are lurching blindly toward a nuclear holocaust. Unlike China and Russia, the West, focused on perpetual war, death, destruction, and lucrative arms sales, has forgotten how to build infrastructure and conduct diplomacy.

Posted by: Iowa Scribe | Oct 9 2023 16:47 utc | 31

Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak warned publicly a few weeks before 9/11/2001 of a looming major attack “outside the region.” His warning was ignored. The Israelis do not want peace. The corrupt and hideously destructive military industrial complex that Ike warned us against does not want peace. Both Tel Aviv and Washington are acting out of sheer desperation as the rest of the world increasingly turns its back on the disastrous failures of the US/NATO perpetual war project. The Atlantic Council’s announcement on April 6 last year in support of Zelensky’s plans for Ukraine as “a big Israel” clearly signaled that Israel, the US, NATO, and their allies are lurching blindly toward a nuclear holocaust. Unlike China and Russia, the West, focused on perpetual war, death, destruction, and lucrative arms sales, has forgotten how to build infrastructure and conduct diplomacy.

Posted by: Iowa Scribe | Oct 9 2023 16:47 utc | 32

“And due to the war Bibi may still keep his seat.”
That’s weird. Are you saying that Bibi may keep his position politically because of the events of yesterday? Almost sounds like he’s personally benefitting from the uprising. And you say he was warned but took no action. Hmm, that’s truly baffling. But its racist to think that the Palestinians didn’t to do this all on their own so please stop echoing right wing extremist talking points.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 9 2023 16:52 utc | 33

“And due to the war Bibi may still keep his seat.”
That’s weird. Are you saying that Bibi may keep his position politically because of the events of yesterday? Almost sounds like he’s personally benefitting from the uprising. And you say he was warned but took no action. Hmm, that’s truly baffling. But its racist to think that the Palestinians didn’t to do this all on their own so please stop echoing right wing extremist talking points.

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 9 2023 16:52 utc | 34

Looking at his causal grin during his declaration of war video, it is quite clear that, whatever warning reached Nutty-Yahoo, was deliberately ignored so he could swindle his way out of the multitude of problems plaguing his administration, in order to unite the country behind him to fight a much bigger one.
If not the extent to which any warning was ignored, perhaps then the eventual failure of Israel to win its racist wars on Arabs and Persians will be his undoing.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 9 2023 16:53 utc | 35

Looking at his causal grin during his declaration of war video, it is quite clear that, whatever warning reached Nutty-Yahoo, was deliberately ignored so he could swindle his way out of the multitude of problems plaguing his administration, in order to unite the country behind him to fight a much bigger one.
If not the extent to which any warning was ignored, perhaps then the eventual failure of Israel to win its racist wars on Arabs and Persians will be his undoing.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 9 2023 16:53 utc | 36

It’s plausible to assume that you cannot take anything coming out of Israel at face value. There was already a circulated video of “Israeli children in cages”, turned out to be Syrian children in cages some years ago.
Nevertheless, and regardless of whether this is Netanyahu invented false flag or not, they have gotten the war with the rest of the region they wanted. It will go to the end – victory or death.
Considering Nato performance in Ukraine and IDF “performance” so far, there is a decent chance results will not be what is expected in the zio-camp.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 16:57 utc | 37

It’s plausible to assume that you cannot take anything coming out of Israel at face value. There was already a circulated video of “Israeli children in cages”, turned out to be Syrian children in cages some years ago.
Nevertheless, and regardless of whether this is Netanyahu invented false flag or not, they have gotten the war with the rest of the region they wanted. It will go to the end – victory or death.
Considering Nato performance in Ukraine and IDF “performance” so far, there is a decent chance results will not be what is expected in the zio-camp.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 16:57 utc | 38

To laguerre @11
Same could be said of the original Pearl Harbor and 9/11. It only works if a lot of people die.

Posted by: jef | Oct 9 2023 17:05 utc | 39

To laguerre @11
Same could be said of the original Pearl Harbor and 9/11. It only works if a lot of people die.

Posted by: jef | Oct 9 2023 17:05 utc | 40

Who cares about the paranoid stories a couple of ragheads come up with? We Ashkenazi ubermenchen know ALL!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 17:06 utc | 41

Who cares about the paranoid stories a couple of ragheads come up with? We Ashkenazi ubermenchen know ALL!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 17:06 utc | 42

PavewayIV | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 4
Makes sense that the Israelis knew about the planned concentration camp escape/rampage in advance-
Indeed. I mean, just the fact that a permit was issued for this extravaganza right on the border wreaks to high heaven.
You put the pieces in place to favor a certain outcome, sit back and watch it unfold, with extreme prejudice.
Don DeLillo covered this approach brilliantly in his novel, Libra, about the assassination of JFK.

Posted by: john | Oct 9 2023 17:07 utc | 43

PavewayIV | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 4
Makes sense that the Israelis knew about the planned concentration camp escape/rampage in advance-
Indeed. I mean, just the fact that a permit was issued for this extravaganza right on the border wreaks to high heaven.
You put the pieces in place to favor a certain outcome, sit back and watch it unfold, with extreme prejudice.
Don DeLillo covered this approach brilliantly in his novel, Libra, about the assassination of JFK.

Posted by: john | Oct 9 2023 17:07 utc | 44

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if what Egypt is saying is true and that Israel simply disregarded it. They had reportedly moved troops north to Jerusalem in the wake of the Al Aqsa events. Also, Israelis are much much more afraid of the Iranians than they are of Arabs. They think Persians are smart and Arabs are dumb.

Posted by: Sentient | Oct 9 2023 17:15 utc | 45

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if what Egypt is saying is true and that Israel simply disregarded it. They had reportedly moved troops north to Jerusalem in the wake of the Al Aqsa events. Also, Israelis are much much more afraid of the Iranians than they are of Arabs. They think Persians are smart and Arabs are dumb.

Posted by: Sentient | Oct 9 2023 17:15 utc | 46

I have seen a clip of a para glider above an area with dancing young people, and now Twitter is full of twits (X-es?) about massacre at “musical Festival” with hundreds of victims. Surely, no pics of piled bodies, but the meme spread to politicians in the West. I understand that attack started at dawn/pre-dawn, what was the timing of the variously called rave/music festival? And was emergency signal system (very recently tested in USA, it jolted me) switched off for religious reasons (or whatever reasons)?
“Parading Israeli women” in Gaza had an illustrating clip of something like a golf cart with a single elderly unrestrained and un-terrified woman on the back seat (and armed people too, so she COULD be Israeli, her hairs were not covered).
Intelligence claims of whatever kind should be treated with all salt from Solidar, but there is a lot of strange inflammatory claims that could be address with social media material.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:15 utc | 47

I have seen a clip of a para glider above an area with dancing young people, and now Twitter is full of twits (X-es?) about massacre at “musical Festival” with hundreds of victims. Surely, no pics of piled bodies, but the meme spread to politicians in the West. I understand that attack started at dawn/pre-dawn, what was the timing of the variously called rave/music festival? And was emergency signal system (very recently tested in USA, it jolted me) switched off for religious reasons (or whatever reasons)?
“Parading Israeli women” in Gaza had an illustrating clip of something like a golf cart with a single elderly unrestrained and un-terrified woman on the back seat (and armed people too, so she COULD be Israeli, her hairs were not covered).
Intelligence claims of whatever kind should be treated with all salt from Solidar, but there is a lot of strange inflammatory claims that could be address with social media material.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:15 utc | 48

ATM | Oct 9 2023 15:50 utc | 1–
Netanyahu is on the same team as those he allowed to perform the provocation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 17:15 utc | 49

ATM | Oct 9 2023 15:50 utc | 1–
Netanyahu is on the same team as those he allowed to perform the provocation.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 17:15 utc | 50

Kissinger was quoted saying (paraphrased) “To be an enemy of America is dangerous, to be a friend fatal”
Netanyahu should ask Hosni Mubarak about being an important ally and friend of Washington DC, especially with Obama’s foreign policy team back in place

Posted by: Ivan | Oct 9 2023 17:17 utc | 51

Kissinger was quoted saying (paraphrased) “To be an enemy of America is dangerous, to be a friend fatal”
Netanyahu should ask Hosni Mubarak about being an important ally and friend of Washington DC, especially with Obama’s foreign policy team back in place

Posted by: Ivan | Oct 9 2023 17:17 utc | 52

Hamas has denied that they killed any Israeli civilians. If that is true, then all the films and photos would need to be explained. In Syria, we had the false chemical attacks against civilians, complete with live footage and photos. The “terrorist” attack was blamed on the government of Syria, but evidence turned up later showing that it was conducted by pro-ISIS and moderate rebels supported by the US.
Time will tell.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 17:19 utc | 53

Hamas has denied that they killed any Israeli civilians. If that is true, then all the films and photos would need to be explained. In Syria, we had the false chemical attacks against civilians, complete with live footage and photos. The “terrorist” attack was blamed on the government of Syria, but evidence turned up later showing that it was conducted by pro-ISIS and moderate rebels supported by the US.
Time will tell.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 17:19 utc | 54

@Blue Dotterel
If I rember well, just after 9/11, some people in US said the same thing concerning intelligence.
Too much technology, lack of human on the ground.

Posted by: FromFrance | Oct 9 2023 17:22 utc | 55

@Blue Dotterel
If I rember well, just after 9/11, some people in US said the same thing concerning intelligence.
Too much technology, lack of human on the ground.

Posted by: FromFrance | Oct 9 2023 17:22 utc | 56

Evidence for 260 civilians killed at NovaFest?
@PavewayIV | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 4

…mostly evidenced by the ham-fisted Re’im ‘Peace Festival’ massacre-for-western-consumption fakery. Absolutely nothing makes sense about it and (like Ghouta) nothing but a slow drip of media releases to keep the narrative going…
To piggyback on *that* event with a pre-manufactured massacre at NovaFest for ‘enhanced’ outrage is just evil.

What evidence exists for the claim that 260 civilians were killed at the Nova Festival near Rei’m on Saturday morning? I have not seen any.
There is one dashcam video of one civilian being shot. Many of the cars parked outside the festival area have been destroyed, I do not know how. This is the best analysis of the footage I have seen on Twitter. Telegram may have more gore, but I have not looked.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 9 2023 17:25 utc | 57

Evidence for 260 civilians killed at NovaFest?
@PavewayIV | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 4

…mostly evidenced by the ham-fisted Re’im ‘Peace Festival’ massacre-for-western-consumption fakery. Absolutely nothing makes sense about it and (like Ghouta) nothing but a slow drip of media releases to keep the narrative going…
To piggyback on *that* event with a pre-manufactured massacre at NovaFest for ‘enhanced’ outrage is just evil.

What evidence exists for the claim that 260 civilians were killed at the Nova Festival near Rei’m on Saturday morning? I have not seen any.
There is one dashcam video of one civilian being shot. Many of the cars parked outside the festival area have been destroyed, I do not know how. This is the best analysis of the footage I have seen on Twitter. Telegram may have more gore, but I have not looked.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 9 2023 17:25 utc | 58

Posted by: aquileia | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 7
>Netanyahu wanted his own Pearl Harbor moment.
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 9 2023 16:29 utc | 11
>The problem with this is that the Israeli casualties were enormous, and if it came out seriously that Netanyahu had ignored warnings, it would look very bad for him.
Pearl Harbor casualties were enormous and there is substantial evidence FDR knew but ignored warnings but FDR is still revered as a great USA president. It’s just a matter of spin-doctoring: Netanyahu was preoccupied with the West Bank, the Egyptian warning was not clear (and they are lying if they say otherwise), no one is more security focused than Netanyahu, only traitors to Netanyahu would take political cheap shots at Netanyahu in a time of national mourning and crisis, this is a time for unity, etc.
Hamas definitely needs to sabotage the Israel-Saudi rapprochement regardless of cost, but Netanyahu also gains. So I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he deliberately put the Egyptian warning on the back burner, hoping to see Hamas attack, but then the size of the attack surprised him.

Posted by: Revelo | Oct 9 2023 17:25 utc | 59

Posted by: aquileia | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 7
>Netanyahu wanted his own Pearl Harbor moment.
Posted by: laguerre | Oct 9 2023 16:29 utc | 11
>The problem with this is that the Israeli casualties were enormous, and if it came out seriously that Netanyahu had ignored warnings, it would look very bad for him.
Pearl Harbor casualties were enormous and there is substantial evidence FDR knew but ignored warnings but FDR is still revered as a great USA president. It’s just a matter of spin-doctoring: Netanyahu was preoccupied with the West Bank, the Egyptian warning was not clear (and they are lying if they say otherwise), no one is more security focused than Netanyahu, only traitors to Netanyahu would take political cheap shots at Netanyahu in a time of national mourning and crisis, this is a time for unity, etc.
Hamas definitely needs to sabotage the Israel-Saudi rapprochement regardless of cost, but Netanyahu also gains. So I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he deliberately put the Egyptian warning on the back burner, hoping to see Hamas attack, but then the size of the attack surprised him.

Posted by: Revelo | Oct 9 2023 17:25 utc | 60

This looks and sounds like the Hamas attack was allowed to happen by those in power in Israel. This is just my opinion on what I believe is the motive of Israel’s leaders and behind this current Hamas attack. The killing of over 200 Palestinians by Jewish extremist settlers backed by IDF forces since Jan 1, 2023. Went unmentioned in the Western press. Palestine and Israel. Hamas military commander Muhammad Deif, who released a recorded message after the attack, said the strikes were in retaliation for Israel’s “desecration of the Al-Aqsa” mosque in Jerusalem the week prior. (livemint.com) This IMO is the strategy by Zionists in Israel in making of Israel the victim. Thus going forward. Allowing that victimhood to be the pretense for further land grab incursions into the West Bank and Gaza. Not to mention the possible destruction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque making way for the Third Temple of Solomon the be rebuilt by extremist ultra Zionists. (https://crescent.icit-digital.org/) For in order for Netanyahu to remain Israel’s leader. He had to make concessions to the extremist Zionist factions to form and lead the government.

Posted by: JP | Oct 9 2023 17:27 utc | 61

This looks and sounds like the Hamas attack was allowed to happen by those in power in Israel. This is just my opinion on what I believe is the motive of Israel’s leaders and behind this current Hamas attack. The killing of over 200 Palestinians by Jewish extremist settlers backed by IDF forces since Jan 1, 2023. Went unmentioned in the Western press. Palestine and Israel. Hamas military commander Muhammad Deif, who released a recorded message after the attack, said the strikes were in retaliation for Israel’s “desecration of the Al-Aqsa” mosque in Jerusalem the week prior. (livemint.com) This IMO is the strategy by Zionists in Israel in making of Israel the victim. Thus going forward. Allowing that victimhood to be the pretense for further land grab incursions into the West Bank and Gaza. Not to mention the possible destruction of the Al-Aqsa Mosque making way for the Third Temple of Solomon the be rebuilt by extremist ultra Zionists. (https://crescent.icit-digital.org/) For in order for Netanyahu to remain Israel’s leader. He had to make concessions to the extremist Zionist factions to form and lead the government.

Posted by: JP | Oct 9 2023 17:27 utc | 62

Posted by: Greg | Oct 9 2023 16:46 utc | 15
Your version about groups not satisfied with the distribution of weapons is unclear. Recipients were in Syria, groups were in Benghazi. So the “rival groups” could competing arms collectors, perhaps with an eye on export possibilities, e.g. to Mali, perhaps needed for the civil war in all-against-all style (never too few weapons in such situation). Honest, capitalist minded folks would simply try to offer higher prices, but bean-counters within their groups could see it as not cost-effective.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:28 utc | 63

Posted by: Greg | Oct 9 2023 16:46 utc | 15
Your version about groups not satisfied with the distribution of weapons is unclear. Recipients were in Syria, groups were in Benghazi. So the “rival groups” could competing arms collectors, perhaps with an eye on export possibilities, e.g. to Mali, perhaps needed for the civil war in all-against-all style (never too few weapons in such situation). Honest, capitalist minded folks would simply try to offer higher prices, but bean-counters within their groups could see it as not cost-effective.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:28 utc | 64

never too few –> never too many (weapons in a Hobbesian situation).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:29 utc | 65

never too few –> never too many (weapons in a Hobbesian situation).

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:29 utc | 66

‘Who cares about the paranoid stories a couple of ragheads come up with? We Ashkenazi ubermenchen know ALL!’
ubermenchen
A move from Christianity to humanism written by Nietzsche (Jewish philosopher of a form of nihilism )

Posted by: phenon | Oct 9 2023 17:34 utc | 67

‘Who cares about the paranoid stories a couple of ragheads come up with? We Ashkenazi ubermenchen know ALL!’
ubermenchen
A move from Christianity to humanism written by Nietzsche (Jewish philosopher of a form of nihilism )

Posted by: phenon | Oct 9 2023 17:34 utc | 68

Why is Egypt helping Israel?
Posted by: Cyril | Oct 9 2023 16:42 utc | 13
Egypt’s military is bought and paid for by the USA since 1973. Remember how Morsi was democratically elect and simply overthrown without a peep from western news?

Posted by: Meh | Oct 9 2023 17:36 utc | 69

Why is Egypt helping Israel?
Posted by: Cyril | Oct 9 2023 16:42 utc | 13
Egypt’s military is bought and paid for by the USA since 1973. Remember how Morsi was democratically elect and simply overthrown without a peep from western news?

Posted by: Meh | Oct 9 2023 17:36 utc | 70

IMO, the poke at Netanyahu by Egypt is just that and the Zionists would expect a reaction to Thursday’s provocation at Al-Aqsa to come from the West Bank rather than the safely penned-in Gazans. But that didn’t happen as the Gazans devised ways to overcome the fence/wall and freed themselves for what was a blitz-like surprise attack. How far in advance might Hamas have known of that provocation? The Zionists involved aren’t at all secretive about their plans and aims. I’ll speculate at least ten days, and the movement of security forces would be a clear indication. Why is the West Bank quiet so far? The shift in forces most likely, but that’s conjecture.
I finally found a decent map showing the area penetrated by Hamas as of yesterday and added it to my newest substack.
An FYI–Crooke’s SCF isn’t about Palestine; rather, he asks a different and all too important question, “Sustained Peace With Russia? Is It Possible?”. Since Aussies aren’t able to access SCF, I’ll post Crooke’s essay to my substack sometime today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 17:39 utc | 71

IMO, the poke at Netanyahu by Egypt is just that and the Zionists would expect a reaction to Thursday’s provocation at Al-Aqsa to come from the West Bank rather than the safely penned-in Gazans. But that didn’t happen as the Gazans devised ways to overcome the fence/wall and freed themselves for what was a blitz-like surprise attack. How far in advance might Hamas have known of that provocation? The Zionists involved aren’t at all secretive about their plans and aims. I’ll speculate at least ten days, and the movement of security forces would be a clear indication. Why is the West Bank quiet so far? The shift in forces most likely, but that’s conjecture.
I finally found a decent map showing the area penetrated by Hamas as of yesterday and added it to my newest substack.
An FYI–Crooke’s SCF isn’t about Palestine; rather, he asks a different and all too important question, “Sustained Peace With Russia? Is It Possible?”. Since Aussies aren’t able to access SCF, I’ll post Crooke’s essay to my substack sometime today.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 17:39 utc | 72

Very good post by Craig Murray:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/10/now-we-have-your-attention/
Quote:
“But I will not condemn Hamas.
For this I do not even need to delve into the backstory of Hamas’ initial sponsoring by Israel to split Fatah. They have grown well past that. I do not condemn Hamas because the resistance of the Palestinian people is a reflex response to their slow genocide.
Yes it is an inchoate and violent response. Of course I wish it did not have innocent victims.
The people I do condemn are the political class internationally who, with one voice, put out statements supporting “Israel’s right to self-defence”. A right they grant to the oppressor but deny to the oppressed.
Those are the people who need to be condemned.”

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 9 2023 17:40 utc | 73

Very good post by Craig Murray:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2023/10/now-we-have-your-attention/
Quote:
“But I will not condemn Hamas.
For this I do not even need to delve into the backstory of Hamas’ initial sponsoring by Israel to split Fatah. They have grown well past that. I do not condemn Hamas because the resistance of the Palestinian people is a reflex response to their slow genocide.
Yes it is an inchoate and violent response. Of course I wish it did not have innocent victims.
The people I do condemn are the political class internationally who, with one voice, put out statements supporting “Israel’s right to self-defence”. A right they grant to the oppressor but deny to the oppressed.
Those are the people who need to be condemned.”

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 9 2023 17:40 utc | 74

Posted by: Meh | Oct 9 2023 17:36 utc | 36
yeah i figured it was something like that. US has it’s marionette strings and its puppets in a lot of governments across the world.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 17:41 utc | 75

Posted by: Meh | Oct 9 2023 17:36 utc | 36
yeah i figured it was something like that. US has it’s marionette strings and its puppets in a lot of governments across the world.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 17:41 utc | 76

Same could be said of the original Pearl Harbor and 9/11. It only works if a lot of people die.
Posted by: jef | Oct 9 2023 17:05 utc | 21
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Exactly! I wonder if the “music festival” was infiltrated by armed agent provocateurs? Otherwise, what explains no security or police presence at a festival within earshot of the Gaza fence?

Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 17:43 utc | 77

Same could be said of the original Pearl Harbor and 9/11. It only works if a lot of people die.
Posted by: jef | Oct 9 2023 17:05 utc | 21
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Exactly! I wonder if the “music festival” was infiltrated by armed agent provocateurs? Otherwise, what explains no security or police presence at a festival within earshot of the Gaza fence?

Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 17:43 utc | 78

MSM spin is now that Russia somehow organized Hamas to attack to take off the heat from Ukraine.
If you assume for a nanosecond that to be true, in that case the zio-camp just decided fully to fall for it? So they say they know it was a Russian trap, and then decide to fall for it?
Yeah right, US needed to take heat off Ukraine narrative. History Legends has a decent summary of the long touted counter-offensive. The simple fact is US is not in a position to equip a fourth army iteration (2 corps, 10 mobilized/tank brigades) to Ukraine and hence they need respite, like for the next 3 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYtZCLBO9k

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 17:44 utc | 79

MSM spin is now that Russia somehow organized Hamas to attack to take off the heat from Ukraine.
If you assume for a nanosecond that to be true, in that case the zio-camp just decided fully to fall for it? So they say they know it was a Russian trap, and then decide to fall for it?
Yeah right, US needed to take heat off Ukraine narrative. History Legends has a decent summary of the long touted counter-offensive. The simple fact is US is not in a position to equip a fourth army iteration (2 corps, 10 mobilized/tank brigades) to Ukraine and hence they need respite, like for the next 3 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsYtZCLBO9k

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 17:44 utc | 80

Didn’t Putin warn the US about 9/11?

Posted by: Whitney | Oct 9 2023 17:44 utc | 81

Didn’t Putin warn the US about 9/11?

Posted by: Whitney | Oct 9 2023 17:44 utc | 82

Once I read an explanation of perhaps the most famous case of ignoring warnings from intelligence of “friendly countries”. As we know, England was warning Stalin about invasion planned by Nazi Germany, but if false, preparing for invasion like moving armies to position and ready posture could trigger an invasion that Stalin wanted to avoid. Additionally, Soviet command had very good intelligence proving that Germans did not plan invasion. It went like that:
An invasion would SURELY entail war in winter. In Russian winter, as EVERYBODY KNOWS, woolen uniforms do not protect against cold. Either their layers are not thick enough so soldiers freeze, or soldiers sweat when on the move, sweat is absorbed by wool, and at Russian winter temperatures, this sweat freezes which ruins insulating properties of wool, so soldiers freeze. Thus it is necessary to procure enough sheepskins for winter uniform. So if German military made OBVIOUSLY NEEDED preparations, millions of sheep would be slaughtered and the price of mutton would go down. And it did not, as verified by Soviet agents!!! I capitalized wrong assumptions about thinking of German command. For those of you who did not learn about the war in Soviet Union, German soldiers did freeze.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:52 utc | 83

Once I read an explanation of perhaps the most famous case of ignoring warnings from intelligence of “friendly countries”. As we know, England was warning Stalin about invasion planned by Nazi Germany, but if false, preparing for invasion like moving armies to position and ready posture could trigger an invasion that Stalin wanted to avoid. Additionally, Soviet command had very good intelligence proving that Germans did not plan invasion. It went like that:
An invasion would SURELY entail war in winter. In Russian winter, as EVERYBODY KNOWS, woolen uniforms do not protect against cold. Either their layers are not thick enough so soldiers freeze, or soldiers sweat when on the move, sweat is absorbed by wool, and at Russian winter temperatures, this sweat freezes which ruins insulating properties of wool, so soldiers freeze. Thus it is necessary to procure enough sheepskins for winter uniform. So if German military made OBVIOUSLY NEEDED preparations, millions of sheep would be slaughtered and the price of mutton would go down. And it did not, as verified by Soviet agents!!! I capitalized wrong assumptions about thinking of German command. For those of you who did not learn about the war in Soviet Union, German soldiers did freeze.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:52 utc | 84

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 9 2023 17:40 utc | 38
Bravo blue!!!

Posted by: joe_mars | Oct 9 2023 17:54 utc | 85

Posted by: Blue Dotterel | Oct 9 2023 17:40 utc | 38
Bravo blue!!!

Posted by: joe_mars | Oct 9 2023 17:54 utc | 86

So LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose). Incompetence in assessing risks and excited to exploit such death for personal gain. The Netanyahu government is further beyond the pale, and should be so to every Israeli who values their own life. Utterly indefensible exploitation of known danger, AND excusing of incompetence.
Israel’s government is now morally the greater evil and must be removed for the safety of all Semitic peoples in the region. There is no more delusion to hide behind. Wow. Talk about making a bad situation worse.

Posted by: titmouse | Oct 9 2023 17:54 utc | 87

So LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose). Incompetence in assessing risks and excited to exploit such death for personal gain. The Netanyahu government is further beyond the pale, and should be so to every Israeli who values their own life. Utterly indefensible exploitation of known danger, AND excusing of incompetence.
Israel’s government is now morally the greater evil and must be removed for the safety of all Semitic peoples in the region. There is no more delusion to hide behind. Wow. Talk about making a bad situation worse.

Posted by: titmouse | Oct 9 2023 17:54 utc | 88

Whitney | Oct 9 2023 17:44 utc | 42
Didn’t Putin warn the US about 9/11
Yes, he did. The Israelis did as well.

Posted by: john | Oct 9 2023 18:00 utc | 89

Whitney | Oct 9 2023 17:44 utc | 42
Didn’t Putin warn the US about 9/11
Yes, he did. The Israelis did as well.

Posted by: john | Oct 9 2023 18:00 utc | 90

Good to see a line up of classic barflies in the comments with whom I agree almost completely. The levels of manufactured bullshit in this whole affair serve the region’s oldest pastime: land-grabs. It is remarkable how historically naive western populations are to the purposes of ‘Elementary Ethnic Cleansing 101’. The only variable is how fellow Islamic and ethnically Arab neighbours react to Nakba 2.0.
In many respects the parallels with the Russo-Ukraine war are there to be drawn: the de-Russification of the Donbas was about the seizure of heavy-industry, land and pipelines by certain interests, carried out by ultra-nationalist football hooligans as muscle, represented as an ethnic war, and it too mobilized Western sympathies with fake atrocities (MH17 etc). It’s a well-thumbed playbook.
It now comes down to the way the claims to legitimacy are received. But these days the apparatus of propaganda is more effective than at any other time. The beauty of it was to lull an entire generation of Western readers into believing the press stood for fair and balanced reporting.
This is why one can believe Hamas went for broke. They know they have no chance. Better to die on your feet. Some in Israel may be reminded of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. But only some.
For the rest of the world it’s “Change the channel Marge!”

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 9 2023 18:01 utc | 91

Good to see a line up of classic barflies in the comments with whom I agree almost completely. The levels of manufactured bullshit in this whole affair serve the region’s oldest pastime: land-grabs. It is remarkable how historically naive western populations are to the purposes of ‘Elementary Ethnic Cleansing 101’. The only variable is how fellow Islamic and ethnically Arab neighbours react to Nakba 2.0.
In many respects the parallels with the Russo-Ukraine war are there to be drawn: the de-Russification of the Donbas was about the seizure of heavy-industry, land and pipelines by certain interests, carried out by ultra-nationalist football hooligans as muscle, represented as an ethnic war, and it too mobilized Western sympathies with fake atrocities (MH17 etc). It’s a well-thumbed playbook.
It now comes down to the way the claims to legitimacy are received. But these days the apparatus of propaganda is more effective than at any other time. The beauty of it was to lull an entire generation of Western readers into believing the press stood for fair and balanced reporting.
This is why one can believe Hamas went for broke. They know they have no chance. Better to die on your feet. Some in Israel may be reminded of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. But only some.
For the rest of the world it’s “Change the channel Marge!”

Posted by: Patroklos | Oct 9 2023 18:01 utc | 92

“As we know, England was warning Stalin about invasion planned by Nazi Germany, but if false, preparing for invasion like moving armies to position and ready posture could trigger an invasion that Stalin wanted to avoid. Additionally, Soviet command had very good intelligence proving that Germans did not plan invasion.”
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:52 utc | 43
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The Brits and French planned to bomb oilfields in the USSR to weaken its support of Germany. They also planned invasions of Norway and Sweden to deny Germany of other vital resources. Meanwhile, Stalin had massed huge offensive capabilities to overrun Germany and all of Western Europe. Hitler got wind of that and hastily launched Barbarossa, despite Germany being quite unprepared for it in 1941. That is why German troops froze in Russia. It also explains the hasty invasion of Norway. London is the centre of many of the world’s problems, even today.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Oct 9 2023 18:08 utc | 93

“As we know, England was warning Stalin about invasion planned by Nazi Germany, but if false, preparing for invasion like moving armies to position and ready posture could trigger an invasion that Stalin wanted to avoid. Additionally, Soviet command had very good intelligence proving that Germans did not plan invasion.”
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:52 utc | 43
——————
The Brits and French planned to bomb oilfields in the USSR to weaken its support of Germany. They also planned invasions of Norway and Sweden to deny Germany of other vital resources. Meanwhile, Stalin had massed huge offensive capabilities to overrun Germany and all of Western Europe. Hitler got wind of that and hastily launched Barbarossa, despite Germany being quite unprepared for it in 1941. That is why German troops froze in Russia. It also explains the hasty invasion of Norway. London is the centre of many of the world’s problems, even today.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Oct 9 2023 18:08 utc | 94

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:28 utc |33
The weapons were in Libya, and “belonged” to the “Libyan people” (the various rival factions in Libya). Some outsider group was trying to steal “our” weapons, and ship them to Syria to fulfill someone else’s power trip. Somebody knew a guy who knew a guy who said the US were the one’s stealing the weapons – so they attacked the US consulate in Benghazi, not realizing their objective was several blocks away.
The factions in / around Israel are worried about the Saudis et al making peace with Israel, which could reduce financial support for said Palestinian factions. The Saudis see Washington DC as unreliable; China is buying Saudi oil, while Biden and team are promising to remove MBS from power followed by Biden fist bumping MBS in a poorly staged photo op. Would you bet your empire on someone who wants to remove you and also wants to fist bump you?
Washington wants to stop Russia from storming through Ukraine on its way to NATO headquarters? No wait, they want to incorporate Ukraine into NATO? No wait, they want to destroy Sevastpol naval base? No wait, they want to bleed Russia to death? Biden promised the mother of all economic sanctions (sorry Baghdad Bob!) against Russia; by wrecking the USDollar global trade currency status? It doesn’t matter which of these claims any of us want to believe, its the chaos after realizing that the folks in DC don’t know either.
Who says this Gaza event was a well planned attack that took weeks to coordinate? The very same people who didn’t see it coming. The very same people who misread and lied about Benghazi. The very same people who planned the Maiden coup in Kiev in 2015. The same people who didn’t foresee the half dozen coups in Africa. The same media outlets are feeding the western public the same nonsensical “explanations”. The same armchair experts / warmongers are saying another never ending war to “fix things” is the only possible solution.
The Gaza strip fiasco smells an awful lot like the Benghazi fiasco

Posted by: Greg | Oct 9 2023 18:09 utc | 95

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 17:28 utc |33
The weapons were in Libya, and “belonged” to the “Libyan people” (the various rival factions in Libya). Some outsider group was trying to steal “our” weapons, and ship them to Syria to fulfill someone else’s power trip. Somebody knew a guy who knew a guy who said the US were the one’s stealing the weapons – so they attacked the US consulate in Benghazi, not realizing their objective was several blocks away.
The factions in / around Israel are worried about the Saudis et al making peace with Israel, which could reduce financial support for said Palestinian factions. The Saudis see Washington DC as unreliable; China is buying Saudi oil, while Biden and team are promising to remove MBS from power followed by Biden fist bumping MBS in a poorly staged photo op. Would you bet your empire on someone who wants to remove you and also wants to fist bump you?
Washington wants to stop Russia from storming through Ukraine on its way to NATO headquarters? No wait, they want to incorporate Ukraine into NATO? No wait, they want to destroy Sevastpol naval base? No wait, they want to bleed Russia to death? Biden promised the mother of all economic sanctions (sorry Baghdad Bob!) against Russia; by wrecking the USDollar global trade currency status? It doesn’t matter which of these claims any of us want to believe, its the chaos after realizing that the folks in DC don’t know either.
Who says this Gaza event was a well planned attack that took weeks to coordinate? The very same people who didn’t see it coming. The very same people who misread and lied about Benghazi. The very same people who planned the Maiden coup in Kiev in 2015. The same people who didn’t foresee the half dozen coups in Africa. The same media outlets are feeding the western public the same nonsensical “explanations”. The same armchair experts / warmongers are saying another never ending war to “fix things” is the only possible solution.
The Gaza strip fiasco smells an awful lot like the Benghazi fiasco

Posted by: Greg | Oct 9 2023 18:09 utc | 96

Posted by: Revelo | Oct 9 2023 17:25 utc | 31
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The same thing happened with 9/11 where the White House received intelligences that “terrorist” were planning to fly a plane into a building in New York. Do you remember Condoleezza Rice response about that intelligence?
CLAIM: “I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons.” [responding to Kean]
FACT: Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, “U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner” into the summit, prompting officials to “close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city’s airport.” [Sources: Los Angeles Times, 9/27/01; White House release, 7/22/01]
CLAIM: “I was certainly not aware of [intelligence reports about planes as missiles] at the time that I spoke” in 2002. [responding to Kean]
FACT: While Rice may not have been aware of the 12 separate and explicit warnings about terrorists using planes as weapons when she made her denial in 2002, she did know about them when she wrote her March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed. In that piece, she once again repeated the claim there was no indication “that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles.” [Source: Washington Post, 3/22/04]
CLAIM: There was “nothing about the threat of attack in the U.S.” in the Presidential Daily Briefing the President received on August 6th. [responding to Ben Veniste]
FACT: Rice herself confirmed that “the title [of the PDB] was, ‘Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.’” [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 4/8/04]
CLAIM: “One of the problems was there was really nothing that look like was going to happen inside the United States…Almost all of the reports focused on al-Qaida activities outside the United States, especially in the Middle East and North Africa…We did not have…threat information that was in any way specific enough to suggest something was coming in the United States.” [responding to Gorelick]
FACT: Page 204 of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 noted that “In May 2001, the intelligence community obtained a report that Bin Laden supporters were planning to infiltrate the United States” to “carry out a terrorist operation using high explosives.” The report “was included in an intelligence report for senior government officials in August [2001].” In the same month, the Pentagon “acquired and shared with other elements of the Intelligence Community information suggesting that seven persons associated with Bin Laden had departed various locations for Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States.” [Sources: Joint Congressional Report, 12/02]
CLAIM: “If we had known an attack was coming against the United States…we would have moved heaven and earth to stop it.” [responding to Roemer]
FACT: Rice admits that she was told that “an attack was coming.” She said, “Let me read you some of the actual chatter that was picked up in that spring and summer: Unbelievable news coming in weeks, said one. Big event — there will be a very, very, very, very big uproar. There will be attacks in the near future.” [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 4/8/04]
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/claim-vs-fact-rices-qa-testimony-before-the-911-commission/

Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 18:09 utc | 97

Posted by: Revelo | Oct 9 2023 17:25 utc | 31
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The same thing happened with 9/11 where the White House received intelligences that “terrorist” were planning to fly a plane into a building in New York. Do you remember Condoleezza Rice response about that intelligence?
CLAIM: “I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons.” [responding to Kean]
FACT: Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, “U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner” into the summit, prompting officials to “close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city’s airport.” [Sources: Los Angeles Times, 9/27/01; White House release, 7/22/01]
CLAIM: “I was certainly not aware of [intelligence reports about planes as missiles] at the time that I spoke” in 2002. [responding to Kean]
FACT: While Rice may not have been aware of the 12 separate and explicit warnings about terrorists using planes as weapons when she made her denial in 2002, she did know about them when she wrote her March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed. In that piece, she once again repeated the claim there was no indication “that terrorists were preparing to attack the homeland using airplanes as missiles.” [Source: Washington Post, 3/22/04]
CLAIM: There was “nothing about the threat of attack in the U.S.” in the Presidential Daily Briefing the President received on August 6th. [responding to Ben Veniste]
FACT: Rice herself confirmed that “the title [of the PDB] was, ‘Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States.’” [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 4/8/04]
CLAIM: “One of the problems was there was really nothing that look like was going to happen inside the United States…Almost all of the reports focused on al-Qaida activities outside the United States, especially in the Middle East and North Africa…We did not have…threat information that was in any way specific enough to suggest something was coming in the United States.” [responding to Gorelick]
FACT: Page 204 of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 noted that “In May 2001, the intelligence community obtained a report that Bin Laden supporters were planning to infiltrate the United States” to “carry out a terrorist operation using high explosives.” The report “was included in an intelligence report for senior government officials in August [2001].” In the same month, the Pentagon “acquired and shared with other elements of the Intelligence Community information suggesting that seven persons associated with Bin Laden had departed various locations for Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States.” [Sources: Joint Congressional Report, 12/02]
CLAIM: “If we had known an attack was coming against the United States…we would have moved heaven and earth to stop it.” [responding to Roemer]
FACT: Rice admits that she was told that “an attack was coming.” She said, “Let me read you some of the actual chatter that was picked up in that spring and summer: Unbelievable news coming in weeks, said one. Big event — there will be a very, very, very, very big uproar. There will be attacks in the near future.” [Source: Condoleezza Rice, 4/8/04]
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/claim-vs-fact-rices-qa-testimony-before-the-911-commission/

Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 18:09 utc | 98

A question for the bar flies.
Letting this happen gives Netanyahu his Pearl Harbor, and justifies/allows him to flatten Gaza. A ‘final solution,’ sure. But doesn’t flattening Gaza justify/allow Hezbollah, Iran, and literally all of the Arabs to intervene?
It seems that the situation is similar to the lead up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The U.S. provokes a Russian attack, hoping for a certain outcome. The Russians attack hoping for a different outcome. They both understood the ruse. But in the end, the Russians outmaneuvered the west because of U.S. hubris.
Is Israel about to fall into the same trap? Has Iran gamed this pitched battle to outmaneuver Israeli Hubris?
Thoughts?

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 9 2023 18:14 utc | 99

A question for the bar flies.
Letting this happen gives Netanyahu his Pearl Harbor, and justifies/allows him to flatten Gaza. A ‘final solution,’ sure. But doesn’t flattening Gaza justify/allow Hezbollah, Iran, and literally all of the Arabs to intervene?
It seems that the situation is similar to the lead up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The U.S. provokes a Russian attack, hoping for a certain outcome. The Russians attack hoping for a different outcome. They both understood the ruse. But in the end, the Russians outmaneuvered the west because of U.S. hubris.
Is Israel about to fall into the same trap? Has Iran gamed this pitched battle to outmaneuver Israeli Hubris?
Thoughts?

Posted by: team10tim | Oct 9 2023 18:14 utc | 100

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