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October 30, 2023

Biden Forced To Call Off His Plans For Ethnic Cleansing Of Gaza

The U.S. government under Joe Biden had developed plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza by moving all of its 2.3 million people into Egypt:

Harry Sisson @harryjsisson - 2:44 UTC · Oct 11, 2023

Amazing: President Biden is working on a plan with other countries that would allow civilians to safely leave Gaza and cross the border into Egypt. This is great news. President Biden is making sure that innocent people don’t die due to the actions of Hamas. That’s leadership.

The NSC spokesperson had confirmed that plan:

US 'actively working' to establish safe corridor for Gaza civilians: White House - Yeni Safak - Oct 12, 2023

The US is in active talks with Israel and Egypt to establish "safe passage" corridors for civilians in Gaza to flee ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the White House said Wednesday amid an expected ground offensive in the besieged enclave.

"We're actively discussing this with our Israeli and our Egyptian counterparts, we support safe passions for civilians. Civilians are not to blame for what Hamas has done. They didn't do anything wrong," National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at the White House.

"We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting," he added.

This all was based on a plan originally developed by radical Zionist within the government of Israel:

Leaked: Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza - The Cradle - Oct 29, 2023

Israeli culture magazine Mekovit published on 28 October a leaked document issued by Israel’s Ministry of Intelligence recommending the occupation of Gaza and total transfer of its 2.3 million inhabitants to Egypt’s Sinai Peninsula.

The document, issued on 13 October, identifies a plan to transfer all residents of the Gaza Strip to North Sinai as the preferred option among three alternatives regarding the future of the Palestinians in Gaza at the end of the current war between Israel and the Hamas-led Palestinian resistance.

The document recommends that Israel evacuate the Gazan population to Sinai during the war, establish tent cities and new cities in northern Sinai to accommodate the deported population, and then create a closed security zone stretching several kilometers inside Egypt. The deported Palestinians would not be allowed to return to any areas near the Israeli border.

Egypt of course rejected any such plans. As I had explained:

Netanyahoo's Strategic Dilemma - Moon of Alabama - Oct 21, 2023

Israel, with the help of the U.S., has tried to push the population of Gaza into Egypt. From Egypt's standpoint that would be a humanitarian solution, at least as long as others pay for it. But it would cause a serious strategic problem. Resistance by Hamas and others against Israel would continue indefinitely, but Egypt would be held responsible for it. It can not and will not take on that burden.

Despite that logic the White House continued to proceed with its plan. Its request to Congress to finance the wars in the Ukraine and Gaza with up to $106 billion included these lines (pg 40):

Letter regarding critical national security funding needs for FY 2024 - White House - Oct 20, 2023

These resources would support displaced and conflict-affected civilians, including Palestinian refugees in Gaza and the West Bank, and to address potential needs of Gazans fleeing to neighboring countries. This would include food and non- food items, healthcare, emergency shelter support, water and sanitation assistance, and emergency protection. This would also include potential critical humanitarian infrastructure costs needed for the refugee population to provide access to basic, life-sustaining support. This crisis could well result in displacement across border and higher regional humanitarian needs, and funding may be used to meet evolving programming requirements outside of Gaza.

Russia had called out the plan for the nonsense it is:

Middle East and Central Asia. Lavrov on the interests of the USA and the West, parallels with Ukraine - Belta - Oct 28, 2023

“It is clear that such an approach is disastrous, because if the Gaza Strip is destroyed, if two million residents are driven out, as some politicians in Israel and abroad are implying, this will create a catastrophe that will last for many decades, if not centuries,” Sergey Lavrov noted.

Backed by Russia the Egyptian resistance against the plan continued. A phone call held yesterday finally buried it:

Sisi, Biden probe developments of Gaza escalation, reject displacement of Palestinians - Ahram Online - Oct 29, 2023

During the call, El-Sisi reiterated Egypt’s firm rejection of policies that collectively punish and displace the Palestinian people.

Biden, for his part, affirmed to El-Sisi that the US likewise rejects the displacement of Palestinians outside their homeland, expressing his appreciation for the positive role played by Egypt in this crisis, said Egyptian Presidential Spokesman Ahmed Fahmy.

The call touched upon the importance of preventing the expansion of the conflict into the region, added Fahmy.

During the call, El-Sisi reiterated Egypt’s firm rejection of policies that collectively punish and displace the Palestinian people. Biden, for his part, affirmed to El-Sisi that the US likewise rejects the displacement of Palestinians outside their homeland, expressing his appreciation for the positive role played by Egypt in this crisis, said Egyptian Presidential Spokesman Ahmed Fahmy.

Biden was forced to publicly declare that his plans for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza were called off:

President Biden @POTUS - 21:23 UTC · Oct 29, 2023

I also spoke with President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi to share my appreciation for Egypt facilitating the delivery of humanitarian assistance to Gaza.

We reaffirmed our commitment to work together and discussed the importance of protecting civilian lives, respect for international humanitarian law, and ensuring that Palestinians in Gaza are not displaced to Egypt or any other nation.

This is another failure of the dimwit policies cooked up by National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and SecState Anthony Blinken as directed by their Zionist puppeteers.

I for one support all plans that would allow them to safely leave Washington DC. They can move to Antarctica or to wherever the climate is severe enough to cool their genocidal moods.

Posted by b on October 30, 2023 at 9:35 UTC | Permalink

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Posted by: canuck | Oct 30 2023 9:37 utc | 1

This is another failure of the dimwit policies cooked up by National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and SecState Anthony Blinken as directed by their Israeli puppeteers.

Posted by b on October 30, 2023 at 9:35 UTC | Permalink

I don't understand. I thought our Jewish overlords were genetically engineered to be of superior intellect?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 9:50 utc | 2

Sisi well knows that his throne would be at risk if he allowed the Gazans to be ethnically cleansed into Egypt. I doubt he would long survive.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 30 2023 10:01 utc | 3

Now all they need to do is call off the genocide and we'll be all set.

Posted by: Crack rock lobster | Oct 30 2023 10:04 utc | 4

Lest anyone should have doubts: The Zionist plan to eliminate the native population predates even the founding of Israel in 1948. They, the Zionists, have never waivered from the plan to ethically 'cleanse' the Biblical Land of Israel of non-Jews.

Posted by: El Oso de Los Llanos | Oct 30 2023 10:12 utc | 5

Self evidently, all the protagonazis and their sponsors should be deported to Gaza.

One state solution, no nukes, no biolabs, no terrorist “agencies”.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 30 2023 10:14 utc | 6

And to think this could all have been resolved pacifically a great many decades ago if the original Zionists had thought to use their psychological propagandistic wizardry to convince the Palestinians that they (the Palestinians) were the descendants of the original Jews that never left and that they should all reconvert to Judaism and enjoy the fruits of European culture and civilization brought to them courtesy of the Ashkenazim.

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 30 2023 10:28 utc | 7

Two apartheid tyrannies down, one to go.

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 30 2023 10:33 utc | 8

@Voltaire #9:

I never thought I would hear the streets of Germany ring out once more, with the cry of kill the Jews.

Evidence?

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Oct 30 2023 10:34 utc | 9

Posted by: Ernesto Che | Oct 30 2023 10:34 utc | 13

There is no evidence. That was just another example of conflating demands for Palestinians to be treated like human beings with antisemitism.

Posted by: KMRIA | Oct 30 2023 10:37 utc | 10

Oh no!!!

All Gazans gone to Egypt would expose the fake genocide declarations against Israel all over MoA.

For a real partial genocide see East Pakistan in 1971: luckily India opened its border and saved the millions from the Pakistani army and its Eastern collaborators. Death tolls in 6 to 7 digits, not in 4 like Gaza.
But sure, it was a Muslim army doing the mass killings, so 'mum' is the word.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 10:38 utc | 11

One wonders how Jake Sullivan and Anthony Blinken managed to come as far as they have done, in spite of pushing ideas and policies that have the same chances of not falling apart faster than a snowflake melting in the furnaces of Hell. Do these bureaucrats ever listen to more than the sound of their own voices?

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 30 2023 10:45 utc | 12

Antonym @ 15:

You got called out for pushing ethnic genocide over at Craig Murray's blog, you got told why Egypt cannot and will not accept two million Palestinian refugees, and you come back with the same example expecting to be taken seriously here?

There's only one word for you: T-R-O-L-L.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 30 2023 10:48 utc | 13

Jake Sullivan is a snake. Anthony Blinken is evil.

Posted by: AI | Oct 30 2023 10:49 utc | 14

Yet another example of uncompetent US leadership.
The game plan was clear: throw a few billions, ideally from Qatar, to get Egypt to take on the responsibility for 2 million Palestinians ethnically cleansed from Gaza because 3rd world dictators like Sisi must be greedy and stupid compared to the 12D machinations of Sullivan and Blinken.
Except he isn't remotely that stupid ... so what does that make Sullivan and Blinken?

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 30 2023 10:50 utc | 15

since the humanitarian dispossession of land has become unavailable will he return to flooding the tunnels with nerve gas to save the children from the bombs?

Posted by: ld | Oct 30 2023 10:51 utc | 16

George Galloway - How to debate with Israelis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgvkx8WEOwU

Posted by: Apollyon | Oct 30 2023 10:54 utc | 17

Death tolls in 6 to 7 digits, not in 4 like Gaza.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 10:38 utc | 15

Be assured, the Gaza death toll will reach 6 digits by the end of this.

It's still genocide when a people is forced into exile through violence.

Posted by: ChrisB | Oct 30 2023 10:55 utc | 18

There is one obvious counter-argument to the insistence by Israel that Egypt must - NOW, DAMN YOU!!! - open the Rafah Crossing and allow the IDF to push the civilian population of Gaza into the Sinai Desert.

It is this: you have three border crossings of your own.

It's YOU GUYS who want to bomb Gaza City to bedrock, so it should be YOU GUYS who open those three border crossings and let the civilians seek the shelter that you say you are so concerned that they reach.

Not us. YOU GUYS.

Chop-chop, dudes, make it snappy. The Gazans don't have all day, you know...

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Oct 30 2023 10:55 utc | 19

Since several residences near Gaza have been recently abandoned by Israeli occupiers the displaced Gazas will be able to move into them. Other housing may become available in southern Israel.

Posted by: Bart | Oct 30 2023 10:58 utc | 20

For a real partial genocide see East Pakistan in 1971: ...
But sure, it was a Muslim army doing the mass killings, so 'mum' is the word.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 10:38 utc | 11

Indian on Indian violence.

Your British Zionist overlords must have been creaming themselves ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 11:00 utc | 21

The entire plan for total ethnic cleansing is now clearly revealed to have been premeditated, as the documents highlighted here reveal.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/world-plummets-into-eschatological

The Zionists premeditated the October 5th outrage at the Al-Aksa mosque and deliberately had the IDF stand down for the expected Hamas response, which they intended to use as the pretext for the final solution of the Palestinian question.

The abundant testimony that IDF cadres themselves shot many of the dancers and other Zionists killed only confirms how ruthlessly this provocation was planned and the extent of the evil of the purpose.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 30 2023 11:02 utc | 22

Branco Cartoon – Crash of Civilization 2014

https://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/branco-cartoon-crash-of-civilization/

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 11:03 utc | 23

"we support safe passions for civilians"

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 30 2023 11:09 utc | 24

"we support safe passions for civilians"

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 30 2023 11:09 utc | 25

This is another failure of the dimwit policies cooked up by National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and SecState Anthony Blinken as directed by their Zionist puppeteers.

Sullivan may be a puppet (Not unlike Samantha Power) but Blinken is himself a dedicated Jewish Zionist neocon who often speaks emotionally about the Holocaust. This includes him repeating absurd stories he heard from or making up stories and attributing them to his step-father who told rather silly embellished stories of his escape from a concentration camp which never stand up to much scrutiny and which seem to change significantly over time. The only part that remains static are that he escaped from Auschwitz, live in the forest for some time and was rescued by American soldiers, often by a tank crew during a battle wherein he joined them inside. Presumably these latter embellishments were to ingratiate himself with his new host country.

What scares me is that the neocons see Israel, it's at a minimum conquest of Gaza/The West Bank and displacement of the Palestinians into Egypt/Jordan (Hoping to erase them as a people and thus the existence of any such people who can call themselves "Palestinian") as existential for the future of the Jewish state to remain a Jewish state. The Palestinians always just needed to survive to win. Their true victory would come actually from a one state solution which would see them eventually win back control of all of historic Palestine as Jews emigrated in the aftermath not unlike in South Africa only not as dramatic as obviously there are now slightly more Jews than Palestinians in historic Palestine unlike the 8:2 ratio of blacks to whites in 1994 South Africa. (Particularly the very fertile Haredi who need willing host societies to support them in their lifestyle, their increase in numbers is actually a big ethnic conflict in NYC)

If you feel the ability of the US to intervene for Israel is on a rapid decline, certainly in terms of capriciously smiting the likes of Syria and maybe one day Iran, then what do you do? The neocons aren't in this indifferently, they see the end of Israel and Zionism as the end of the world, this combined with their standard operating procedure being to always act more aggressive, more unreasonable, never letting up in doing so (The so-called "Crazy Nixon Approach") to convince your opponent that even though it's irrational, the US will always match your escalation of something that should matter a lot more to you than them which has got them into such trouble in Ukraine. If they were willing to walk all the way up to the door of nuclear war to try and get the Russians out of the way, even just temporarily, in Syria, do you think they're afraid of Iran or Syria? No, you might decide that it's now or never, let the Israelis do whatever they need to do to provoke the Syrians and Iranians to "attack" Israel, then you can have it as a fait accompli that they must defend Israel's "right to exist™" and then you get into a direct war with Syria and Iran and then it's an even more fait accompli, now the US is in a direct shooting war with Syria and or Iran and surely it can't back down.

That's what I'm afraid of, that this ticking clock on US hegemony will be seen as a closing window and then you have to bet on the neocons A: Caring about US national interests (They don't, they only care about it being a golem for Israel) and B: Generally not being crazy (As I said above, Ukraine proves this wrong with plenty of crazy to spare) and that isn't a bet you should ever take. It's now or never for that war with Syria and Iran. And it's now or never for Israel to try and ethnically cleanse Gaza (The West bank can continue to be slow-motion genocided, Gaza isn't fit for the settlement approach) even better, you can get one by doing the other. Again, Egypt doesn't have to cooperate, you just have to present it with a fait accompli of a dying population, do they let the Gazans die or let them in?

Obviously you were never going to get the Egyptians to agree to opening up for the Gazans without a fight, no harm to ask or demand them to do so, but there was nothing short of leaving the Gazans to die, threaten to kill them all or defeat Egypt in a war that would compel them to open to them.

Posted by: Altai | Oct 30 2023 11:10 utc | 26

Building a wall on the border with Mexico, and demanding of Egipt to receive two millions od people!

Posted by: padre | Oct 30 2023 11:11 utc | 27

"I for one support all plans that would allow them to safely leave Washington DC. They can move to Antarctica or to wherever the climate is severe enough to cool their genocidal moods."
:D
Love you b

We should make a plan b... just in case.
This bar is essential to our mental health.

Posted by: ld | Oct 30 2023 11:19 utc | 28

Russia really missed a trick here.
Apparently all it needed to do to get the West's blessing was create a huge buffer zone up to the Dnieper river and 'evacuate' all the pro-Kiev citizens to the other side of the river.
Likewise, Putin could have completely avoided the International Criminal Court charge: instead of evacuating children from the warzone, all he had to do was bomb them.

Posted by: FakeBelieve | Oct 30 2023 11:20 utc | 29

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 10:38 utc | 11

It will be ethnic cleaning, so a war crime itself.

Posted by: Mario | Oct 30 2023 11:21 utc | 30

One is reminded that so far, during the Biden Administration, the United States has accepted a minimum of seven million third-world refugees. Probably more - and then at least double this number due to demographic momentum.

I see it already: the Palestinians will come to the United States, and maybe also Canada and Western Europe. It may well have already been gamed out.

They say this would be terrible because the Palestinians don't want to leave their homelands - utter rubbish. Look at all those desperate third-world breeders flooding into the United States over the southern border: they don't give a damn about their homelands, they just want to escape the steaming mess they have created in their own lands.

Posted by: TG | Oct 30 2023 11:29 utc | 31

It is truly astonishing how stupidly and arrogantly immoral Biden, Blinken, and Sullivan—and the Oligarchs behind them (Rockefellers, Gates, Bezos, Soros, https://www.commondreams.org/news/us-weapons-to-israel>among many others) truly are.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 30 2023 11:33 utc | 32

Dima's latest report points the finger at Ukraine for the Dagestan incident:

Ukraine tried to destabilize the Muslim region of Russia

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 11:40 utc | 33

The creation of Israel after WW2 was an interesting experiment; of course the treatment of Palestinians was shocking and disgraceful, but if it had worked it might be the blueprint for the creation of Apache and Souix states in North America, an Aboriginal State in Australia, hundreds of tribal states in Africa etc...

But it didn't work because the Israelis failed to integrate with their new neighbours. After nearly 80 years of Israeli genocide and war crimes it is time to call the experiment to a halt. The Israeli govt should be dissolved, and replaced with an interim UN govt, until a world council of disinterested parties (China, India, Asia, Africa, South America) come up with a sustainable solution.

Posted by: Tim | Oct 30 2023 11:40 utc | 34

I for one support all plans that would allow them to safely leave Washington DC. They can move to Antarctica or to wherever the climate is severe enough to cool their genocidal moods.

What!!!??? You are calling for the ethnic cleansing of all Neocon Genocidists from Washington DC, B? Nevertheless, I agree. It is necessary. Antarctica is the best place, very near the South Pole.

Posted by: BM | Oct 30 2023 11:45 utc | 35

Meanwhile Reuters shows that the propaganda continues unabated

Graphic pro-Israel ads make their way into children’s video games


"WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE WHO HARM US PAY A HEAVY PRICE": This was the message from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. It was in an ad discovered by a 6-year-old boy playing a video game.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 30 2023 11:48 utc | 36

The Institute has put forward a clean and easy fantasy of achieving the same goal put forward by Sofer. For it to succeed, all Palestinians have to do is put down their weapons and head toward the desert of permanent exile.

Posted by: charles | Oct 30 2023 11:44 utc | 35

I wonder if the Jews ever realized that one day, after the Palestinians, their clever methods of oppression would be turned against them?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 11:51 utc | 37

Are Americ*nts such a bunch of limp-dick faggots that they can't even "take out" a handful of nutter neocons??

The answer - in case youre wondering - is a resounding YES!!!!

Posted by: Ivor Biggun | Oct 30 2023 11:57 utc | 38

I suppose that the ICC declaring it would investigate crimes in Gaza and would consider ethnically cleansing the area as the kind of things it was created to prosecute were also hints that the plan should be reconsidered. Sure, Israel and US could just not give a damn, but that would be terrible optics after all the fuss they made, using the ICC to go after Putin.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Oct 30 2023 12:16 utc | 39

For a real partial genocide see East Pakistan in 1971: luckily India opened its border and saved the millions from the Pakistani army and its Eastern collaborators. Death tolls in 6 to 7 digits, not in 4 like Gaza.
But sure, it was a Muslim army doing the mass killings, so 'mum' is the word.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 10:38 utc | 11

What infantile peddling of justification of ethnic cleansing of Gazan Palestinians.
Once Israel has sucked the U.S. dry, and that will happen in less than a generation, likely less than a decade, what then Israel? Who else in the world has the ignorance, belligerence, and amorality it would take to hitch their power to your wagon?
Peace? That's a hard sell with all the deliberate murder on both sides.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 30 2023 12:34 utc | 40

Brian Berletic makes the case that the US is gunning for Iran before its window of opportunity closes:

https://youtu.be/MWzF5NvFdOs

Posted by: country_blumpkin | Oct 30 2023 12:39 utc | 41

David Hearst analyses the two papers (one published, one leaked) that describe Israel's plan to displace Palestinians over at the Middle East Eye:

Some interesting points:
1. Israel tried to persuade Iraq to take the Palestinians one year ago.
2. If Israel wanted to temporarily displace the Palestinians in Gaza, they could put them in the Negev, Sisi suggested.
3. US plans in the region, and in Ukraine, have been thwarted.
4. Israel is waiting for the return of Trump.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Oct 30 2023 12:44 utc | 42

"Bad things happened in East Asia fifty years ago, so therefore it's OK for Israel to murder children."

I've seen some contemptible Zionist garbage in my time, but that takes the buttered biscuit.

Posted by: MFB | Oct 30 2023 12:49 utc | 43

Branco Cartoon – Crash of Civilization 2014

https://legalinsurrection.com/2014/07/branco-cartoon-crash-of-civilization/

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 11:03 utc | 23

Cute. Pathetic, but cute. But shouldn't Bibi be inside a Caterpillar Bulldozer smashing homes of West Bank Palestinians in the cartoon?
Childish manipulation, begets extremism on both sides.

Posted by: kupkee | Oct 30 2023 12:49 utc | 44

TG 31; you've proven the falseness of the "open border" under W we had 11-12 million coming in every year. The "Open Border" is utter non-sense, further putting this at the feet of the president is non-sense, it's a Congressional problem. We haven't changed our border policy since Reagan, W tried to address it but the GOP scuppered any reforms. I live in Texas, I'm very familiar with the border, a wall on a river is a massive eminent domain taking, an engineering near impossibility, the least effective, most expensive way to bolster border security. The entire debate is utter bullshit. Be smart and drop that non-sense.

Posted by: scottindallas | Oct 30 2023 12:49 utc | 45

For a real partial genocide see East Pakistan in 1971: luckily India opened its border and saved the millions from the Pakistani army and its Eastern collaborators. Death tolls in 6 to 7 digits, not in 4 like Gaza.
But sure, it was a Muslim army doing the mass killings, so 'mum' is the word.

Posted by: Antonym | Oct 30 2023 10:38 utc | 11

What do you expect to happen if the siege on Gaza continues? Healthcare system collapsed, no drinking water, no sanitation? 800+ entire bloodlines have already been completely wiped out. There's this weird thing brains do where they infer likely future events based on current information and context. Maybe Zionist brains have degenerated too much for that.

Posted by: country_blumpkin | Oct 30 2023 12:51 utc | 46

I see that this needs updating.

When the dust settles will this be the summary?

1) Israel seeks to ethnically cleanse the Land of Israel.

2) The Palestinians were for years and decades dealing with a dearth of protection and law from the international community and
were nearly on their own to fend off murderous thieves.

3) The IDF executed a false flag security failure

4) The IDF delayed their reaction to Hamas' jail break

5) The IDF used the Hannibal Doctrine on Israeli civilians and caused a significant number
of Israeli civilian deaths.

6) The "1400 dead Israelis and rapes and decapitated babies" was Zionist atrocity propaganda.
A massive conflict of interest to report honestly.

7) The US especially and other countries accepted the atrocity propaganda uncritically
so that Israel would have license to implement their program of ethnic cleansing.

8) The US blocked the cessation of hostilities thus prolonging the massacre of civilians in Gaza.

9) The International Community is nearly impotent in it's ability to protect Palestinian lives and rights.

Posted by: librul | Oct 30 2023 12:53 utc | 47

But what will President Nikki Haley do?

The stars are lining up for her because anyone who bellows that 'we don't ask, we tell the rest of the world what to do' plays in the collective ego of the U.S. public. She will be the 3rd term of the GWB Presidency.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 30 2023 13:09 utc | 48

Posted by: zorge | Oct 26 2023 12:35 utc | 467
Why are members of US Congers so unanimous and so hysterical about supporting Israel? Even more then Ukraine. I have never seen something like that.
<= does faster return on investment account for unanimous Consent for Israel over Ukraine?

Could unanimous consent be about control and ownership of the profits from oil and gas..? study these links. Clearing Gaza has a business purpose.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/monopoly-nation-how-a-handful-of-firms-control-prices-hold-israelis-to-ransom/
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/standing-up-to-israels-gas-monopoly/
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/
https://www.rt.com/business/586105-kiev-gas-transit-deal-moscow/

https://www.newarab.com/sites/default/files/2023-06/afp.com-20120717-GR-INFO-GR309277-preview.jpg
https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF88GBvbXQGwndIi.jpg

Posted by: jayc | Oct 21 2023 16:33 utc | 66
Israel's political position is now openly the expulsion of the Palestinian population from "Greater Israel".
<=ALAE Palestinians remain in Gaza ownership or division of profits from offshore oil must be shared.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Oct 24 2023 15:18 utc | 53
The moment Palestine becomes a sovereign independent state, loads of Arab investment money will flood in.
<=which means the Palestinians will be developing and profiting from the oil in the Levantine Basin, a reserve which is just off shore to Palestine with a pipeline that connects the Levantine Basin to Turkey, Italy, and Central Europe. I expect the Turkish Stream pipeline (Russia to Turkey)to be the next pipeline to be destroyed.

Nation state leaders do no commit the awesome powers of the nation states they control unless and until private industry request it. Just think how many pockets the profits from the Levantine Basis gas pipeline can line. Could be the owners of the British off-shore and Israeli hidden, generally lawless, tax free havens are major investors in these pipelines?
Certainly the Levantine Basin gas pipeline profits could line many pockets especially if the pipeline can be used to cut Russian oil out of the European and African oil and gas markets. look at the maps? Is it possible the promise of tax free, oil royalty income accounts for unanimous consent?

In the words of James a few days ago "there is much, much, much of this that is about the oil and gas. look at the map above. I added the words in [] .

Posted by: snake | Oct 30 2023 13:21 utc | 49

It appears that the rollback caused by the pushback has begun. "Why should US fear the Israel-Palestine conflict more than China?" is a powerful op/ed from Global Times I added to my Sunday Sermon via comment. The author could have included the Zionists along with the Outlaw US Empire but chose not to since their dynamics with China are much different. As more truths about 7 October and its precursor continue to emerge even within Occupied Palestine media, hatred for the Zionists will continue to escalate until they have no friends remaining on the planet. (At this point, I'm putting all supporters of Netanyahu and his coalition of extremists into the same Zionist basket, and that would include Team Biden, the new House Speaker, and a host of others within the West.)

What will it take to force the Zionist zealots to stop what the world clearly sees as a Massive Crime and is calling it out as such? How long can the lies made to depict 7 October as Hamas aggression instead of its exercise of its legitimate rights hold? Have barflies looked at the photos and videos of the great number of massive protests being held globally, not just within the Umma but elsewhere as in the two hearts of Global Imperialism, UK and USA?

I see some are citing Lavrov's words from his most recent interview, "More Elucidation from Lavrov". Yes, Russia finds itself in somewhat of a pickle, but it's still respected and not hated for its position. The statement Russia's MFA issued yesterday that I posted in full here is clearly part of the pushback as it specifically named the Zionists as the culprits in this crime, including those residing within the Outlaw US Empire. There's a new item that I'll post separately about the violence in Dagestan.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2023 13:23 utc | 50

Simply remove Sisi and the plan is back!

Posted by: Surferket | Oct 30 2023 13:27 utc | 51

I have been wondering if Gaza is just too lucrative a festering sore for the Western MIC to give the hardcore Zionists their way.

Zionazi: Israel must be cleansed of these human animals! We shall drive them out of Gaza and the land shall be ours! Peace at last!

Micky Matt: Not so fast there, bucko. That place is a significant profit centre for us - the last thing we want is peace in the Muddle East. You can keep bombing them, as long as you get your munitions from us at cost plus, but! - you leave enough Palestinians alive to rebuild and rearm so we can do this all again in 5 years time. I got kids to put through Haaaavaaad

Posted by: Observer | Oct 30 2023 13:28 utc | 52

It looks like for at least the next two weeks the Palestinians of Gaza will be facing the full mite of the Outlaw US Empire almost alone. But, in the meantime, Hamas is doing a good job of holding out and keeping the IOF busy and that's all they have to do if Hezbollah really does intend to attack Israel.

Even if Hezbollah confines itself to harassing Israel that keeps a good number of Empire troops away from Gaza and a revitalized Hamas has the potential to maul the IOF and even to burst out of Gaza again. Meanwhile the starving, thirsting and diseasing of the Gaza Palestinians continues.

I wonder if the people of Tel Aviv are giving any thought to the possibility Israel may lose its war against Palestine. If that happens a powerful revenge will fill the air and result in the mass murder of Israelis. Are you really sure of an Empire victory? Better start building a tunnel network under Tel Aviv. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Posted by: Chas | Oct 30 2023 13:30 utc | 53

How in the world did the US think that it can get away with this? What we now need is Russia and China forcing Gaza open by stopping the naval blockade by Israel.

Posted by: ConfuciusNow | Oct 30 2023 13:32 utc | 54

"Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova's answer to a media question regarding the unrest in Dagestan":

Question: How would you comment on the riots that took place at the Makhachkala airport on October 29?

Maria Zakharova: The mass riots you mentioned in the Republic of Dagestan are the result of a planned and externally executed provocation aimed at undermining the harmonious development and ethnic and religious unity of the people of the Russian Federation. They were inspired by those who have repeatedly resorted to openly extremist and terrorist methods in order to destabilise the domestic political situation in Russia.

In the implementation of yet another destructive action, a direct and key role was assigned to the criminal Kiev regime, which, in turn, acted through the hands of notorious Russophobes who had settled there. The promptness of Zelensky's statements and publications, as well as their content, are direct evidence that the information sabotage undertaken by Kiev's special services is coordinated. It is indicative that in the calls for riots, resources associated with the fugitive provocateur Igor Ponomarev, who had repeatedly defiantly declared his desire to cause damage to the Russian Federation, were noticed.

The intensification of the sabotage and subversive work of the Ukrainian special services in the Russian direction is quite understandable. The Kiev regime is currently most interested in destabilizing the situation in Russia and discrediting it in the international arena against the backdrop of the fading attention of the world community to the crisis around Ukraine.

The prompt and unequivocal response of the Russian leadership and the coordinated, clear and proportionate actions of the domestic law enforcement agencies are an unequivocal response to all those who hope to sow confusion and discord in Russia.

National unity is one of the pillars of our country's development. As President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin said at a recent meeting with representatives of religious associations, "interethnic and interreligious harmony is the basis of Russian statehood. Everything else, every other position has an anti-Russian orientation and component."

The Russian Federation will continue to play a stabilizing role in international affairs, including the Middle East settlement based on mutually respectful relations with all States in the region, and to seek the resolution of disputes and conflicts on the basis of civilized dialogue.

Another question from me: How to promote "civilized dialogue" with crazed zealots who have no desire to cease their criminal activity and indeed pursue it as national policy?

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2023 13:35 utc | 55

The Mask has come off
Posted by: canuck | Oct 30 2023 9:37 utc | 1

Again! LOL How many times is this this one?

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 30 2023 13:39 utc | 56

[email protected], you bomb the fuck out of them, steal their resources, murder their pregnant women, rape their children, shoot their disabled, then you fucking whine when they want to live next door to you, pity the poor fucks having to deal with atypical white assholes. Find a mirror you'll see him.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 30 2023 13:41 utc | 57

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for (insert race) children."

Posted by: John S | Oct 30 2023 13:43 utc | 58

by karlof1 | Oct 30 2023 13:23 utc | 51

From that interview/lesson from MFA, the only thing that gets through the thick skin of the West is illusion that its security depends on the West Asia and if you do not do deals, you will be pushed out. That depresses the West most than anything else. Being a bunch of amateurish nitwits running the show, the West is
now blocked by Israel, not anyone else. And it is a trap that they created, nurtured and walked into all by themselves.
"Crazy Romans!", Asterix would say.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 30 2023 13:46 utc | 59

The creation of Israel after WW2 was an interesting experiment; of course the treatment of Palestinians was shocking and disgraceful, but if it had worked it might be the blueprint for the creation of Apache and Souix states in North America, an Aboriginal State in Australia, hundreds of tribal states in Africa etc...

But it didn't work because the Israelis failed to integrate with their new neighbours. After nearly 80 years of Israeli genocide and war crimes it is time to call the experiment to a halt. The Israeli govt should be dissolved, and replaced with an interim UN govt, until a world council of disinterested parties (China, India, Asia, Africa, South America) come up with a sustainable solution.

Posted by: Tim | Oct 30 2023 11:40 utc | 34

I once agreed with you, on this. But you reveal yourself as a young and idealistic dreamer, with this comment of yours.

The situation in Israel is an either/or commitment.

Either “Israel” persists—which will result in the genocide of Palestinians—or “Israel” (the state, not the religion) disappears, allowing the people of Palestine to live out their lives in peace.

The leadership of Zion will not stop their genocidal policies against the natives—nor will they be removed—without coercion

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 30 2023 13:47 utc | 60

One understands Egypt.
Absolutely nobody wants to have anything to do with the same Palestinians they claim to support.
After what has happened to Syria and Lebanon, they know better.
Still, I am disappointed that the Americans could not more aggressively leverage the billions they give Egypt every year. We all know how incompetent the American leadership is.

Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 30 2023 13:48 utc | 61

Putin will, and rightly so, deal with the Dagestan insurrection as harshly as Israel deals with the Palestinians.

No one, on this forum, will cry "genocide".

Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 30 2023 13:50 utc | 62

Karlof1 57
I think the key to that question is the last two words of her speech that you qoute....
"Civilsed diolouge"

That is clearly diplomat speech for... not netinyahoo.

Putin knows this is trap number two to suck Russia in to direct conflict.

Trap number one was ukraine, when the time came he didnt hesitaite to throw the first punch. SMO

Russia, China and Iran. Know Gaza is a smaall battle in a world war now.

They wont hesitate, but on their terms.

Remember the moral high-ground allways.
Respect.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 30 2023 13:51 utc | 63

Putin will, and rightly so, deal with the Dagestan insurrection as harshly as Israel deals with the Palestinians.

Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 30 2023 13:50 utc | 64

A few months ago there were people on these forums wailing about how Putin is not being genocidal enough with the Ukrainians.
Then they wailed further that he didn't use the nuclear option and commit a global genocide.

Now all of sudded they're SURE, sure he'll hammer the tiniest unarmed unrest with GENOCIDAL "harshness"!?

What gives?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 13:57 utc | 64

Chas | Oct 30 2023 13:30 utc | 55--

I wonder if the people of Tel Aviv are giving any thought to the possibility Israel may lose its war against Palestine.

Many have already voted with their feet and capital as they've flown out of harms way and/or sent their loot elsewhere. The Zionist economy is now destabilized. It was already in poor shape and the poverty level is higher than many might think amongst the non-Palestinian population. That's one of the reasons why its begging for such a massive infusion of "financial aid." IMO, those able to flee will. I recall the Ukrainian ZioNazis proclamations about how Russians in Donbass would live in their basements as they went about their Genocide and see the potential for a similar fate for those unable to flee.

Several decades ago, a short essay was published about the Afrikaners's potential fate if they continued to pursue Apartheid--they would imprison themselves within a fortress of their own making amidst a sea of hatred with few if any friends in the world. It was written by one of their own and its truths made an impact. The difference is there' was no Eschatological crap driving South African behavior. I see the Pope has finally called for a ceasefire as he perhaps finally realized that this conflict has the potential to do great damage to Christianity as it's based on Judaism.

My question @57 extends beyond the conflict in Palestine to that within the Big Picture that was posed by the Russians in December 2021.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2023 14:03 utc | 65

Hey there, https://karlof1.substack.com/“>Carl.

Thank you for doing what I sincerely wish I could: representing sane interpretation of China’s diplomacy.

You are relentless and indefatigable.

Also, you are pretty much incontestable.

Thanks, for all that.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 30 2023 14:06 utc | 66

Brian Berletic makes the case that the US is gunning for Iran before its window of opportunity closes:

https://youtu.be/MWzF5NvFdOs

Posted by: country_blumpkin | Oct 30 2023 12:39 utc | 42

Brian says that Hamas fought on side with Israel against Syria. Ergo, he distrusts Hamas.
Purposefully making effort to draw Iran into conflict.

Refers to 2009 Brookings policy paper which points all manner of chicanery to draw Iran into war.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 30 2023 14:07 utc | 67

I find it hard to believe that the Biden administration couldn't have bribed/coerced Sisi to "give up" Sinai for a new Palestinian state. Money/assassination are just two of the tools the US uses to force 3rd world countries' "leaders" to do The Empire's bidding, and it would take a better man than the psychopathic kleptocrat Sisi to turn them down.

I think the current situation - or some verion of it - suits enough powerful/influential people that it will continue until something radically changes. As much as people tend to think that Washington is completely in hock to the Israel Lobby, the current arrangement means that Israel needs the US to survive as an apartheid state, which is clearly what most Israelis want.

Israel gets funds from the US taxpayer. These are mostly spent on US arms, and the "defence" companies in turn fund Washington's politicians' campaigns and slush funds.

If Gazans were permanently deported to Sinai, this gravy train would come to an abrupt end.

I think this is the main reason we won't see the Gazans exiled to Egypt.

Posted by: Observer | Oct 30 2023 14:07 utc | 68

Breaking: Palestinians are received thread messages on their mobile phones to evacuate GAZA. A reporter from AJ and her family have been told to leave her flat. However the area outside the premises is surrounded by tanks and non-stop shelling from IOF. The horror now is expanding in occupied East Jerusalem and occupied West Bank areas. Nearly 4,000 children are now killed by IOF with the blessing of the US.

Posted by: AI | Oct 30 2023 14:08 utc | 69

Alexander P | Oct 30 2023 13:50 utc | 64--

Clearly, you didn't read what Zakharova said, nor have you read the dialog that occurred between Putin and Russia's religious heads.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2023 14:10 utc | 70

@67

Consider what is “just”.

Russia demands of Dec 2021 seem on review to be what France and Great Britain should have demanded Hitler return Rhineland to “demilitarized” in 1936.

A small conflict to prevent a larger one!

Similarly, Israel May see genocide on Gaza as a small conflict to keep its apartheid going.

Israel and u$$a are not moral entities….

If one should judge the morals of opposition leaders.

Decisions on war should not be moral or emotional.

When one side makes it a crusade then prepare for defense, with a strategy.

Posted by: paddy | Oct 30 2023 14:18 utc | 71

Sisi's collected enough bribes to refuse a bribe. Maybe he did refuse.

This dialogue with Biden comes off as inane. (after first requesting displacement).

We reaffirmed our commitment to work together and discussed the importance of protecting civilian lives, respect for international humanitarian law, and ensuring that Palestinians in Gaza are not displaced to Egypt or any other nation.

(inane, but what else is new).

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 30 2023 14:19 utc | 72

Pacifica Advocate | Oct 30 2023 14:06 utc | 68--

You're welcome. Overall, there's a good group of thinkers and writers here led by b. When I began my substack, I discovered just that many lurkers followed my commentary, so MoA's site traffic is quite large, meaning the site's influential.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 30 2023 14:20 utc | 73

Absolutely nobody wants to have anything to do with the same Palestinians they claim to support.
After what has happened to Syria and Lebanon, they know better.

Posted by: Alexander P | Oct 30 2023 13:48 utc | 63

The people who propagate this particular piece of hasbara always amaze me:

Why would they blame the Palestinians instead of the actual Zionist Jews who destroyed not only Palestine but Egypt, Lebanon and Syria?
Was it the Palestinians that forced factions of these nations to bend over and take it up the arse from their former colonial masters?
Was it the Palestinians who forced factions of these people to fall for bribes, inducements, temptations offered by the Zionist Jews?

You act is if the whole shitshow began with the Palestinians, not Theodor Herzl, Nathan Rothschild and his British elite pal Balfour ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 14:24 utc | 74

cue pic: Biden pouting & the White House background
/sad trombone noise, "Wah wah waah waaaaaaah"

Posted by: titmouse | Oct 30 2023 14:26 utc | 75

I was reading where Nuttinyahoo took the wife and kid to hide in a deep bunker. Big man hiding like a chicken shit while he kills at will, turns out he's not hiding from Hamas......Apartheid Squatters have surrounded his house.....guess he's afraid of a little spit, mind you, with Covid and such.........


One hopes Hamas has the staying power, actually the Prisoners of Gaza bear the brunt....then again, all those Hamas fighters have grown up bearing the brunt.

Are Palestinians like Russians, chosing to fight and die to the last Palestinian rather than live in a Woke World without a Palestine....

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 30 2023 14:26 utc | 76

🇺🇲🇮🇱🇵🇸 The United States and European allies have sent a record naval strike force to the Eastern Mediterranean.

A total of 8 groups were recorded, which included warships of the USA, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain, Greece and Denmark. The total number of the group is about 40 units, including aircraft carriers and dry cargo ships that provide fuel and ammunition delivery.

Also, the air corridor between the United States and Israel is operating at full capacity. According to monitoring channels, over the past two days, American military-technical vehicles have made more than 70 flights. On board there is still the same cargo - weapons and fuel.

Despite the permanent statements of the White House that the United States does not intend to fit into the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, the situation on the ground suggests the opposite: the maneuvers carried out by the collective West are a preemptive signal to Iran and everyone who opposes the actions of Tel Aviv and an indicative readiness to expand the conflict in the Middle East region.


https://t.me/intelslava/52961

Posted by: Down South | Oct 30 2023 14:26 utc | 77

We are seeing what a real genocide means in Gaza.

It means being murdered. We are living without basic necessities .

We are being killed for being the rightful owners of our land, defending our basic rights, struggling to survive.

We are under rubble for demanding that we – Palestinians – have the right to roam the land of our ancestors and pray at our holy sites.

We have tried to comfort nearly everyone we know, those who have lost members of their families, their loved ones, their homes, those who have lost their jobs.

Shouldn’t the world really be consoling us?

We have expressed the desire to have a nation with its own borders, to have a passport that would allow us to move freely without relying on other countries. Yet here we are – in the world’s largest open-air prison, with limited access to water, food and fuel.

I don’t wish this life on anyone.

I just want you to imagine it. Imagination doesn’t mean reality.

You wake up around dawn – if you are lucky enough to be still alive.

You start the journey searching for bread to eat and clean water to drink.

There is no bread to be found. And clean water is a luxury.

We drink contaminated water. We have no choice: we are desperate to quench our thirst.

The bakery is a lifeline for 20,000 people in a refugee camp.

Such lifelines are being cut off. When the Israelis identify the places that have flour, they bomb them.

As you search with a sense of urgency for food and clean water, you could be killed at any moment simply because you want to survive.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/deep-burns-and-open-wounds/39236

Posted by: ld | Oct 30 2023 14:26 utc | 78

Simplincius' take on these events...
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/world-plummets-into-eschatological
Sensing the West’s hesitancy and weakness, Israel may attempt to desperately spark a wider conflagration by increasing the amplitude of their falseflags—perhaps another USS Liberty-like incident or unilateral strikes on Iran meant to goad them into a response that would necessarily trigger a U.S. intervention. It’s my belief that this will be the chief danger to watch as, gripped by the terminal phase of its eschatological madness, Israel will be at its most unpredictable and dangerous to humanity at large.

In the end, they may succeed in establishing a new kingdom on the ashes of the old one, just perhaps not in the way they expected.

Are the NATO elites really going to bring on armageddon and the rapture???

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 30 2023 14:26 utc | 79

Are Palestinians like Russians, chosing to fight and die to the last Palestinian rather than live in a Woke World without a Palestine....

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 30 2023 14:26 utc | 78

If they chose to stick it out in Gaza after decades of persistent bombing, siege when they could have found some way to run away, then "yes" is the answer.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 14:31 utc | 80

Gaza genocide enabled by Arab leaders
https://electronicintifada.net/content/gaza-genocide-enabled-arab-leaders/39241

"Freedom seen as an obstacle

Normalization with apartheid Israel became the “solution” on the basis of offering the Palestinians a form of “autonomy” in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, land in exchange for “peace” and recognizing Israel’s right to exist as a settler-colony in the heart of the Arab world. That was the motive behind the signing of the Camp David Accords (1978), and the beginning of a series of normalization accords between Arab governments, including the Palestine Liberation Organization, and Israel.

Arab governments willing to “normalize” relations with Israel have always considered the Palestinian cause as an obstacle to their own “prosperity and security.” An obstacle to be moved out of the way.

Liberating Palestine was no longer on the agenda. It was deemed an unrealistic dream that cannot be achieved no matter what.

Supporting a just solution to the Palestinian question necessarily means a confrontation with the imperialist West, headed by the United States. And that is a route Arab regimes are not keen to follow.

First, it goes against the interests of the ruling oligarchies.

Second, it weakens their alliance with the US, a superpower that offers them protection and stability.

Hence the demise of the ideas of liberating Palestine and the return of Palestinian refugees to the towns and villages from which they were ethnically cleansed back in 1948. That has been replaced by the façade of the racist, two-state solution and the idea that it is possible to improve apartheid Israel and its multi-tiered system of oppression of the Palestinian people.
Shameful silence

Even the very definition of the Palestinian people itself has been reduced to include only those who currently live in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. This group is said to be the component of the Palestinian people that needs a “solution” and that solution can only materialize if apartheid Israel generously offers to improve the lives of these Palestinians, even if this happens under Israel’s total control.

A “generous offer” from Israel might include what Amilcar Cabral – one of Africa’s most prominent opponents of colonialism – called “flag independence,” symbols of governance and “sovereignty.” Hence official Arab support for the Oslo accords in 1993 which offered a fig leaf to all subsequent Arab deals of normalization with apartheid Israel.

For more than three weeks now, Israel has been attacking Gaza, killing thousands and injuring tens of thousands, destroying most of the infrastructure and sending it back to the “stone age.”

Posted by: Unipolar reality | Oct 30 2023 14:31 utc | 81

The problem for Israel now is that there is no outcome in which they are not the losers in some way.

Their preferred method has always been to drive out rather than massacre the entire population of Palestinians, though they were not averse to a few massacres to get the people moving when driving them out. The trouble is, that doesn't work anymore, for various reasons, especially because of the hardening of the Palestinians intent to stay.

Now with Gaza, with their theoretically vastly superior military force, in theory they can either 1). conquer the Gazans and put them under renewed occupation, which was already long tried and failed, especially because it cost too much, 2). drive them into Egypt's Sinai, where they then lose control over them, or 3) exterminate them completely. Not one of these will be easy to achieve. It still remains to be seen if they can even physically retake Gaza, despite Gaza's tininess.

Al-Sisi said that driving the Gazans into Egypt would constitute an act of war against Egypt by Israel, so that is a big loss to Israel right there. The Arab states cannot tolerate Israel invading Sinai for a fourth time. All the Egyptian people are completely opposed to receiving the Gazans into Sinai, let alone the rest of Egypt. It is not just al-Sisi, but also the entire military establishment, the religious establishments, the economic establishment, and all the rest of the people right down to the commoners. The only thing that al-Sadat got out of Israel in making peace was the return of Sinai. Egypt fought tooth and nail to restore the border of 1906, even taking Israel to the International Court to get back one square kilometer at Taba where Israelis had a hotel, even that went back to Egypt. Egyptians were filled with wrath at al-Sisi for conceding the two disputed, uninhabited islands of Tiran and Sanafir to Saudi Arabia. By nationalist logic, the very same logic the Zionists are using, no inch of national territory can ever be given up, and Egyptians certainly subscribe to that, especially over Sinai.

Israel has suffered a massive, cataclysmic moral defeat over Gaza, and it will get worse and worse the deeper they dig themselves in. By their own logic, they have to reestablish unquestioned, unassailable military superiority, but if they can even do that in this case, the cost is going to be way higher than any previous costs they have endured. The puny little territory of Gaza would be an entirely insufficient gain for them, in no way compensating for their real loss here, which is not of course merely the Israeli dead and wounded. The Israeli establishment, the right wing, and maybe the Israelis mostly in general are so filled with rage over the Gaza affair that they can't even think straight, so they just default back to tit-for-tat, knee-jerk reaction, which won't get them anywhere. Meanwhile, one of the greatest massacres since the Second World War (by no means the only one, nor even necessarily the biggest), may be about to unfold.

The mostly costly aspects of all are likely to be changed and hardened attitudes worldwide not just against Israel but also against the United States and its relentless, murderous imperialism. The threat of this change is already causing the US government and its various clients to backpedal on their initial bloodthirsty responses, but that precipitates them into a huge dilemma of contradiction that is going probably to damage them further, and maybe if they double down even presage the unfolding of the big one, the meltdown of empire and capitalism that we all always talk about. So they are surely very afraid here.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 30 2023 14:34 utc | 82

It shows what kind of "tunnel vision" these people have. Or how much they have been "bought and paid for" by Israel.

In - at least - one regard Biden & Co. have miscalculated by assuming that Egypt would be willing to accept those palestinians. Egypt seems to be "unwilling" to accept the palestinians. Egypt doesn't want "to touch" this (palestinian) "hot potato" with a ten foot pole.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Oct 30 2023 14:34 utc | 83

This poster, using the pseudonym "Observer" writes...
I find it hard to believe that the Biden administration couldn't have bribed/coerced Sisi to "give up" Sinai for a new Palestinian state. Money/assassination are just two of the tools the US uses to force 3rd world countries' "leaders" to do The Empire's bidding, and it would take a better man than the psychopathic kleptocrat Sisi to turn them down.

I think the current situation - or some verion of it - suits enough powerful/influential people that it will continue until something radically changes. As much as people tend to think that Washington is completely in hock to the Israel Lobby, the current arrangement means that Israel needs the US to survive as an apartheid state, which is clearly what most Israelis want.

Were he true to his monikker, he would have noticed that the radical change he thinks necessary, occurred....

The arab street.... the umma... in response to Israel's apocalyptic vision... as enunciated by Netanyhu, Biden, Jackson, etal.... has changed states....

Before... passive... introverted with the exception of the Resistance..

Now... enraged... demanding retribution...

There is no way Sisi, the King of Jordan, MBS, the leaders of Pakistan (now shown to be lackeys of USrael), Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkye, etal... can remain in power should they kowtow to Palestinian genocide/ethnic cleansing...
BECAUSE...
The street will burn them at the stake.... as traitors... to islam...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 30 2023 14:37 utc | 84

Egypt also seems to fear a repeat of what we all know as the "Arab Spring".

Posted by: Mr. Market | Oct 30 2023 14:38 utc | 85

Observer @ 70: "I find it hard to believe that the Biden administration couldn't have bribed/coerced Sisi to "give up" Sinai for a new Palestinian state."

Have a look at a satellite map of the Sinai. It's desert. Two million refugees in that area would have to be supplied with food and water, forever. Picture hundreds of trucks delivering food and water, day after day after day. I'm sure Sisi knows that once the Gazans were shipped to the Sinai, they would be a huge economic burden. Egypt might receive Western aid to help but that could end once the world's gaze turned elsewhere, or be used as leverage against Egypt ad infinitum.

And that's assuming the refugees wouldn't get sick of living in tents in baking heat, and headed for Cairo. What would Egypt do then? Accepting the Gazans would be political suicide for Sisi, and he knows it.

The whole idea of "Gaza on the Sinai" is just some Zionist pipe-dream whereby the Gazans die off in the desert instead of being wiped out by IDF bombs. It's just attempted genocide at arm's length.

Posted by: ADB | Oct 30 2023 14:38 utc | 86

The whole idea of "Gaza on the Sinai" is just some Zionist pipe-dream whereby the Gazans die off in the desert instead of being wiped out by IDF bombs. It's just attempted genocide at arm's length.

Posted by: ADB | Oct 30 2023 14:38 utc | 88

That's right. They'd die in the desert waiting for the water truck that broke down.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 30 2023 14:42 utc | 87

Anthony Blinken should have stuck to playing in a rock and roll band...He would have done less damage there....

Posted by: pyrrhus | Oct 30 2023 14:43 utc | 88

Definitely to watch today's interview with Alastair Crooke on the Napolitano show. Very good sense of where things are going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohj-wHm9ICk

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 30 2023 14:46 utc | 89

The problem for Israel now is that there is no outcome in which they are not the losers in some way.

Posted by: Cabe | Oct 30 2023 14:34 utc | 84

You have produced the most precise and reality-based description of the boundary of the situation.

Regardless of what happens to the Palestinians, this is the best Isreal can achieve, and it will not be in their favor, not even the hydrocarbons off Gaza will make up for it.

Thank you.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 30 2023 14:47 utc | 90

9) The International Community is nearly impotent in it's ability to protect Palestinian lives and rights.

Posted by: librul | Oct 30 2023 12:53 utc | 48


It's like magic, with two diametrically opposed migration policies:

(1)Flood the EU and the UK with Muslim immigrants from everywhere but Gaza- they come on leaky rubber rafts- Gaza residents get no rubber rafts- since no one will take them

(2)Gaza is sacred and the land rights of its people sacred so they are to be encouraged, nay forced to stay and hopfuly kill Israelis, and the whole world is blind to this immigration policy contrast

Posted by: william paul | Oct 30 2023 14:48 utc | 91

"..I find it hard to believe that the Biden administration couldn't have bribed/coerced Sisi to "give up" Sinai for a new Palestinian state. Money/assassination are just two of the tools the US uses to force 3rd world countries' "leaders" to do The Empire's bidding, and it would take a better man than the psychopathic kleptocrat Sisi to turn them down."

There's a very simple answer. Sisi is as good as it gets in Egypt for the Empire. Any replacement who could last a week would have to take military action to support Palestine.
Sisi is US trained and on the payroll.
But even he understands that Israel has only one choice: either it backs off or it kills every living creature in Gaza. The people who cintrol the knesset and the state have opted for the latter.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 30 2023 14:49 utc | 92

There is video confirmation of Israeli tanks on main NE/SW artery Salah-al-Deen (Saladin) street, 3km inside the Strip, as Israel moves to isolate Gaza City from Nuseirat/Bureij & all points south.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 30 2023 14:50 utc | 93

There is video confirmation of Israeli tanks on main NE/SW artery Salah-al-Deen (Saladin) street,

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 30 2023 14:50 utc | 95

It really doesn't matter if Israeli tanks go parading in the countryside - that is not defended. The point comes in the city: the fight is going to be a city-fight, and the Israelis haven't tackled it yet. Crooke says that from the latest news, Israeli troops are on the open land before Gaza City northeast, and on Saladin street (outside the city).

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 30 2023 14:56 utc | 94

Probably an unpopular opinion but I am not on board with blaming "Arab leaders".

My own NATO government is cheering on genocide. So I need to take responsbility before pointing at others.

I don't want WWIII and neither do they. The first priority has to be to just stop the airstrikes and the military assault on Gaza and the US + UK could halt that today if they wanted. And then aid needs to go in. So the US UK can stop the military side and allow the aid that Arabs have already sent to go through.

Yes, Arab / Muslim leaders could and should do a LOT more but let's be clear that Israel is a creation of the Zionist movement/lobby, the UK and the US and they need to take responsibility for the genocide and ethnic cleansing that is currently occurring and has been occurring since 1947 (and even before). That UN vote was hardly fair and the UN was tiny back then.

Who thought it was a good idea to have "Palestine" in three separate unconnected parts per the original plan????

Not only do these 3 players control what happens in Israel, they control the banking, media and institutions such as the IMF, WB, UN, ICC etc.

Arab / Muslim leaders (especially those sitting on top of oil or geopolitically important assets) have always been between a rock and a hard place (see: Nasser, Saddam, Gaddafi, Mossadegh).

UAE has been independent only since 1974. While I sort of roll my eyes at the development which took place after Rashid bin Al Maktoum's death in Dubai, e.g., they did work hard to diversify from oil, built up the free trade zone, invested in education and healthcare etc. Don't know much about Al Nahyan but any time any of these guys step out of line they're immediately branded as "authoritarian" which means "know your place". Remember the soap opera about one of the Dubai ruler's wives running away....it was a message to the UAE.

Saudi has arguably never been totally independent, Aramco us the Arab AMERICAN oil company and MBS was immediately targeted as a tyrant when he showed a tendency to do things his way.

Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait....tiny states with vulnerable leaders. Egypt, Jordan are CIA test labs.


Posted by: pq | Oct 30 2023 15:00 utc | 95

Posted by: Arch Bungle in 2 AS DIRECTED BY THEIR ISRAELI PUPPETEERS.
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UFFFF

Deuteronomio 7:1-2, 24, 20:16-18

7:

1 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you

2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

24 He will give their kings into your hand, and you will wipe out their names from under heaven. No one will be able to stand up against you; you will destroy them.

20:

16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.

18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomio+7%3A1-2%2C+24%2C+20%3A16-18&version=NIV

Posted by: Neocons | Oct 30 2023 15:01 utc | 96

That was my idea, b! -- Antarctica for the zealots! Who knows? With global warming it could become a paradise!

Posted by: juliania | Oct 30 2023 15:07 utc | 97

Are Palestinians like Russians, chosing to fight and die to the last Palestinian rather than live in a Woke World without a Palestine....

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Oct 30 2023 14:26 utc | 78

Yes. They refuse a 2nd Naqba.

(Besides which, Israel is bombing the roads to the south, so it's die standing your ground at home vs die running.)

Posted by: Mary | Oct 30 2023 15:16 utc | 98

I'll bet the bar a round of Tennessee whiskey that if anybody on the world stage can unravel this thing before it results in complete disaster it will be Putin. With help from China.

Somebody has to step up to the plate.

Posted by: chunga | Oct 30 2023 15:20 utc | 99

Israel faces looming 'economic crisis', warn 300 economists

Some of Israel’s most senior economists have warned that the country faces an impending economic crisis following the country’s war on Gaza.

“You do not understand the magnitude of the economic crisis that Israel’s economy is facing,” said the signatories in an open letter to the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich.

The country’s current economic plans were no longer viable, the group of 300 economists warned.

“Continuation of the current conduct harms Israel’s economy, undermines citizens’ trust in the public system, and undermines the State of Israel’s ability to recover from the situation it has found itself in,” the economists said.

They recommended non-essential expenditures in the budget to be immediately cut, and for funds to be diverted to deal with damages related to the war, aid to victims and internally displaced Israelis.

The International Monetary Fund earlier this year had already downgraded the country’s economic outlook because of deep political polarisation in the country.

Posted by: Zet | Oct 30 2023 15:22 utc | 100

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