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October 15, 2023
Arnaud Bertrand – How Israel Stepped Into A Trap

by Arnaud Bertrand
(Republished with the author's permission)

One of the more interesting arguments I've been seeing A LOT on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is: "Hamas undoubtedly predicted Israel's massive retaliation, that makes them all the more guilty for sacrificing Palestinian lives".

What people don't realize is that the fact this reaction – the massive collective punishment – was indeed immensely predictable says just as much about Israel than it does about Hamas.

It says a lot about Israel for 3 reasons. 1) It says a lot about Israel's image that it was expected to react with massive collective punishment, violating international law. 2) It also says a lot about Israel's inability to think strategically that it would react in exactly the way its adversary predicted it to. Revenge is not a strategy, in fact it is the opposite of strategic. And, lastly 3) it says a lot that Israel doesn't seem to have learned a thing from the US's immense mistakes in its post 9-11 response.

Yes, of course, it also says a lot about Hamas, because they knew their actions would undoubtedly cause untold suffering on their own people (on top of the suffering they caused with the attacks). No question there.

This looks to be, unfortunately, a competition for whom can gain the most sympathy from the outside world for their suffering. And from where I am standing, Israel is losing big time by playing into the hand of its adversary. Even Europe – Europe! – is on the verge today of breaking ranks with a full-on revolt at the highest levels of the bureaucracy against Von Der Leyen for her unqualified support for Israel. This is on top of renewed support for the Palestinian cause by the Muslim world, and generally the entire global South (with the notable exception of India, who pretty much runs on Islamophobia today under Modi).

I'm going to go out on a limb here and hypothesize that this was Hamas, as an organization, committing suicide for the Palestinian cause. Hamas undoubtedly won't survive this, it's pretty clear. And sadly thousands of innocent lives will be lost. But they've focused the entire global conversation on their topic and Israel's reaction is making Palestinians win the sympathy war.

What should Israel have done instead? Well, they should have recognized which war Hamas was baiting them into. Not a war against them per se, but a war for hearts and minds. They missed the forest for the trees. Which is stunning because they started with the upper hand, by far. They could have used the initial attacks to rally immense support, declare a period of mourning, unify much of the world around the just cause of not killing innocent civilians. Instead, they started doing so in turn, on an even grander scale: so far they've killed 614 children and 370 women. It's an unfathomable and immensely consequential mistake.

This war also reveals something interesting, and I'll end with this. It reveals how much power and influence the wider West has lost in driving the global conversation. Remember post 9-11, when the US had much the same overaction as Israel today by invading Afghanistan? At the time we didn't hear any significant opposition. It was there for sure but it was inaudible. Today by contrast it is so overwhelming that even Europe – Europe! – feels compelled to dissent. Which of course they'd never do out of pure morality, they do so because they have their back against the wall, in their words they "don't want to lose the global South", which wasn't even remotely a factor back in 2001. Heck we just saw that the US asked China – China! – to "use its influence to push for calm in the Middle-East": this would have been absolutely unthinkable 22 years ago, what better proof that they themselves lost their influence? Influence ironically lost for the very reason that they overreacted 22 years ago: how ironical that they'd ask for China's help today in supporting yet another overaction, they really can't help themselves …

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Comments

Menz @ 301
Wow thanks for that valuble link.
A large helping of truth and sanity.
An antidote to the media misinfomation, public perseption manigment and fog of war.
Much respect to you and the Yanis Varoufakis. Bookmarked, and will share widely.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2023 9:24 utc | 601

Menz @ 301
Wow thanks for that valuble link.
A large helping of truth and sanity.
An antidote to the media misinfomation, public perseption manigment and fog of war.
Much respect to you and the Yanis Varoufakis. Bookmarked, and will share widely.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2023 9:24 utc | 602

Thank you Mark2, here is another Truthsayer:
Israel & the Myth of ‘Self Defence’ @davidahearst
https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1713128051356082550

Posted by: Menz | Oct 16 2023 9:41 utc | 603

Thank you Mark2, here is another Truthsayer:
Israel & the Myth of ‘Self Defence’ @davidahearst
https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1713128051356082550

Posted by: Menz | Oct 16 2023 9:41 utc | 604

Ed | Oct 16 2023 0:10 utc | 227
Thanks for your response. Indeed I meant the borders of 1949, that existed before 1967, and should not have called them “borders of 1967” to avoid that misunderstanding.
Cynic | Oct 15 2023 23:04 utc | 218
One thing I failed to explain in my initial post @172 was that, while population pressure accounts for a generally raised readiness for violence within Israel’s society, this aggression will of course be redirected towards an external enemy, which keeps it from destroying Israel from within. So the density of 442.6 inhabitants per square kilometer, will translate into hatred against those people nearby (in Palestine and Gaza) who are perceived as “too many”, which then, by the desire for more “Lebensraum”, further translates into votes for the likes of Netanjahu.
The same will of course happen on the other side, where the density is 6300 inhab./km2, living basically in captivity, and gives rise to features like Hamas and its atrocities.

Posted by: grunzt | Oct 16 2023 9:54 utc | 605

Ed | Oct 16 2023 0:10 utc | 227
Thanks for your response. Indeed I meant the borders of 1949, that existed before 1967, and should not have called them “borders of 1967” to avoid that misunderstanding.
Cynic | Oct 15 2023 23:04 utc | 218
One thing I failed to explain in my initial post @172 was that, while population pressure accounts for a generally raised readiness for violence within Israel’s society, this aggression will of course be redirected towards an external enemy, which keeps it from destroying Israel from within. So the density of 442.6 inhabitants per square kilometer, will translate into hatred against those people nearby (in Palestine and Gaza) who are perceived as “too many”, which then, by the desire for more “Lebensraum”, further translates into votes for the likes of Netanjahu.
The same will of course happen on the other side, where the density is 6300 inhab./km2, living basically in captivity, and gives rise to features like Hamas and its atrocities.

Posted by: grunzt | Oct 16 2023 9:54 utc | 606

by rk | Oct 16 2023 9:22 utc | 303
Oh, how many weird arguments.
RF is continuing its Syrian protective posture unchallenged, and it is not bogged down in Ukraine.
SMO is not war. War with RF looks and feels completely different, and the best for the West is not to provoke it.
Iran is having the back upped by RF, and China, added some other BRICKS countries.
That is more than enough to counter The West.
EU is pretty helpless bunch of desperate poodles split between EU 1 and EU 2 classes of its citizens.
EU 2 is East Europe 2nd class coach. It basically is a lot cheaper work force for EU 1 and a buffer zone for preventing the garden being eaten by a jungle. A typical colonial mindset.
If Iran escalates anything and with the backing of China and RF plus the rest of the BRICS and Arab states, against the USA or Israel there will be nobody left to come after them.
Let alone some sleazy Graham character from some backwater.
The only reason that the planet is not smouldering and crackling in a radiation and total devastation is stoic patience and vision of smart and wise leaders as Xi and Putin and then also some other BRICS leaders.
Everyone else acting important in the World is just an opportunistic moron born in vain, failing to be noticed on the history board no matter how hard they try.
So Aussie lady has some points there.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 16 2023 10:10 utc | 607

by rk | Oct 16 2023 9:22 utc | 303
Oh, how many weird arguments.
RF is continuing its Syrian protective posture unchallenged, and it is not bogged down in Ukraine.
SMO is not war. War with RF looks and feels completely different, and the best for the West is not to provoke it.
Iran is having the back upped by RF, and China, added some other BRICKS countries.
That is more than enough to counter The West.
EU is pretty helpless bunch of desperate poodles split between EU 1 and EU 2 classes of its citizens.
EU 2 is East Europe 2nd class coach. It basically is a lot cheaper work force for EU 1 and a buffer zone for preventing the garden being eaten by a jungle. A typical colonial mindset.
If Iran escalates anything and with the backing of China and RF plus the rest of the BRICS and Arab states, against the USA or Israel there will be nobody left to come after them.
Let alone some sleazy Graham character from some backwater.
The only reason that the planet is not smouldering and crackling in a radiation and total devastation is stoic patience and vision of smart and wise leaders as Xi and Putin and then also some other BRICS leaders.
Everyone else acting important in the World is just an opportunistic moron born in vain, failing to be noticed on the history board no matter how hard they try.
So Aussie lady has some points there.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 16 2023 10:10 utc | 608

Posted by: rk | Oct 16 2023 9:22 utc | 303
“…we will come after you.”
We??? Did you leave out the last part of Lindsey’s speech on purpose?
“You know how I feel. I’ll be proud to lead you wonderful guys in battle anytime, anywhere. That’s all.”

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 16 2023 10:14 utc | 609

Posted by: rk | Oct 16 2023 9:22 utc | 303
“…we will come after you.”
We??? Did you leave out the last part of Lindsey’s speech on purpose?
“You know how I feel. I’ll be proud to lead you wonderful guys in battle anytime, anywhere. That’s all.”

Posted by: waynorinorway | Oct 16 2023 10:14 utc | 610

Hassan Mafi ‏
@thatdayin1992
“Our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.” — Nelson Mandela
https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1713196326878429534

Posted by: Menz | Oct 16 2023 10:28 utc | 611

Hassan Mafi ‏
@thatdayin1992
“Our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.” — Nelson Mandela
https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1713196326878429534

Posted by: Menz | Oct 16 2023 10:28 utc | 612

The whole world can see through the transprent lies and spin from America England and Isrsel, the dishonesty is now working against themselves, not for them.
When i say the above i include the massive groundswell of anger in the western public, at the sight of those poor inocent Palastinians.
@ 305 that right there is the truth.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2023 10:34 utc | 613

The whole world can see through the transprent lies and spin from America England and Isrsel, the dishonesty is now working against themselves, not for them.
When i say the above i include the massive groundswell of anger in the western public, at the sight of those poor inocent Palastinians.
@ 305 that right there is the truth.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2023 10:34 utc | 614

If you look at both events (Hamas and 9/11) from an Hegelian dialect perspective, it looks a lot more logical.
9/11 was organised for 2 reasons: war in the Middle East and installing a police state in the US (under the guise of “protecting” the US citizens)
The Hamas assault was organized to give Israel the excuse to start a massive war against the Palestinians, for the simple reason that they want all Palestinians out for a very long time now.

Posted by: Koen | Oct 16 2023 10:35 utc | 615

If you look at both events (Hamas and 9/11) from an Hegelian dialect perspective, it looks a lot more logical.
9/11 was organised for 2 reasons: war in the Middle East and installing a police state in the US (under the guise of “protecting” the US citizens)
The Hamas assault was organized to give Israel the excuse to start a massive war against the Palestinians, for the simple reason that they want all Palestinians out for a very long time now.

Posted by: Koen | Oct 16 2023 10:35 utc | 616

fanto @261: “…he [Shahid Bolsen] gives the impression that Israel was an American invention, which it is not.”
That is an addition by your imagination. Israel is an imperial invention by the British. Like Canada, it was seized by the US as the British Empire collapsed. Israel is now a de facto US colony. Bolsen was clearly talking about the facts on the ground. You embellish those facts, and then focus upon your own embellishment, even though it has little to do with the point Bolsen was making. This suggests you either didn’t understand his point (easy to do… not everyone is smart) or you are deliberately trying to obfuscate Bolsen’s point.
As for posters who are concerned (trolling?) about whether or not Bolsen is trustworthy, or perhaps even an AI, I suggest you stick to cartoons; perhaps ones about ponies and intended for little girls? Only an absolute fool takes words found on the Internet (or anywhere else for that matter) and plants them into their brain without doing their own filtering and analysis. Anyway, what did Bolsen say that required trust? He simply assembled facts that any intelligent and alert person should already be aware of into a larger framework that helps clarify current events. The framework he built isn’t even that elaborate where it could hide misdirection. It is just not what most people would first assume after consuming mass media and thinking in a shallow manner, so to point out that the US is abusing Israel might confuse some people.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2023 10:39 utc | 617

fanto @261: “…he [Shahid Bolsen] gives the impression that Israel was an American invention, which it is not.”
That is an addition by your imagination. Israel is an imperial invention by the British. Like Canada, it was seized by the US as the British Empire collapsed. Israel is now a de facto US colony. Bolsen was clearly talking about the facts on the ground. You embellish those facts, and then focus upon your own embellishment, even though it has little to do with the point Bolsen was making. This suggests you either didn’t understand his point (easy to do… not everyone is smart) or you are deliberately trying to obfuscate Bolsen’s point.
As for posters who are concerned (trolling?) about whether or not Bolsen is trustworthy, or perhaps even an AI, I suggest you stick to cartoons; perhaps ones about ponies and intended for little girls? Only an absolute fool takes words found on the Internet (or anywhere else for that matter) and plants them into their brain without doing their own filtering and analysis. Anyway, what did Bolsen say that required trust? He simply assembled facts that any intelligent and alert person should already be aware of into a larger framework that helps clarify current events. The framework he built isn’t even that elaborate where it could hide misdirection. It is just not what most people would first assume after consuming mass media and thinking in a shallow manner, so to point out that the US is abusing Israel might confuse some people.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2023 10:39 utc | 618

Koen @312: “The Hamas assault was organized to give Israel the excuse to start a massive war against the Palestinians, for the simple reason that they want all Palestinians out for a very long time now.”
I don’t buy it. The Israelis never needed a reason for mass murder. They don’t exterminate all the Palestinians not because they lack an excuse, but because they can’t.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2023 10:43 utc | 619

Koen @312: “The Hamas assault was organized to give Israel the excuse to start a massive war against the Palestinians, for the simple reason that they want all Palestinians out for a very long time now.”
I don’t buy it. The Israelis never needed a reason for mass murder. They don’t exterminate all the Palestinians not because they lack an excuse, but because they can’t.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2023 10:43 utc | 620

Both netinyaho and zelinsky have got the same evil look in their eye, take a look.
Its the look of a nobody who has been promised huge wealth and power by the devil if only they carry out his eveil plans. Now im not religeous, its a metaphor.
The devil in this case is who ever is running America right now. And i dont only meen biden.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2023 10:43 utc | 621

Both netinyaho and zelinsky have got the same evil look in their eye, take a look.
Its the look of a nobody who has been promised huge wealth and power by the devil if only they carry out his eveil plans. Now im not religeous, its a metaphor.
The devil in this case is who ever is running America right now. And i dont only meen biden.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 16 2023 10:43 utc | 622

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2023 10:39 utc | 313
Yes, I agree.
I was hoping some of the people dismissing his arguments would put up their own arguments.

Posted by: tawharanui | Oct 16 2023 10:55 utc | 623

@ Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 16 2023 10:39 utc | 313
Yes, I agree.
I was hoping some of the people dismissing his arguments would put up their own arguments.

Posted by: tawharanui | Oct 16 2023 10:55 utc | 624

Posted by: rk | Oct 16 2023 9:22 utc | 304
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++++++++++++
The first sign of defeat is Denial. You seem to fit that category very well.
Regarding your comment: The failed smo, the constant killing and destruction that Russia accepts from a shitty proxy of kamikaze peasants shows US no longer has opponents. Russia has now integrated 23% of Ukraine territory into the Russian Federation – that amounts to 90% [minimum] of Ukraine’s GDP.

Posted by: AI | Oct 16 2023 14:14 utc | 625

Posted by: rk | Oct 16 2023 9:22 utc | 304
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++++++++++++
The first sign of defeat is Denial. You seem to fit that category very well.
Regarding your comment: The failed smo, the constant killing and destruction that Russia accepts from a shitty proxy of kamikaze peasants shows US no longer has opponents. Russia has now integrated 23% of Ukraine territory into the Russian Federation – that amounts to 90% [minimum] of Ukraine’s GDP.

Posted by: AI | Oct 16 2023 14:14 utc | 626

@unimperator #31
US deploying carriers as knee-jerk reaction: I agree.
The rest of it: I do not. Incompetence in the US military and intel agencies, and leadership, is the order of the day.
Hizbullah: I don’t know, but it would be logical for Hizbullah to intervene to retake Lebanese land occupied by Israel should the IDF get into a Stalingrad/Leningrad situation in Gaza.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 14:16 utc | 627

@unimperator #31
US deploying carriers as knee-jerk reaction: I agree.
The rest of it: I do not. Incompetence in the US military and intel agencies, and leadership, is the order of the day.
Hizbullah: I don’t know, but it would be logical for Hizbullah to intervene to retake Lebanese land occupied by Israel should the IDF get into a Stalingrad/Leningrad situation in Gaza.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 14:16 utc | 628

@Trubind1 #40
If there is one lesson any group should have learned by now, it is that the “terrorist” designation is meaningless.
The US has put on and taken off different rebel groups in Syria.
The Taliban went from terrorists to rulers of Afghanistan.
So no, I do not agree that Hamas has to change anything. If their gambits works, they will be celebrated.
As for the US: also disagree. The US can’t enforce diddly-squat nor have they implemented the multi-decade old UN Two State resolution. Just because Biden and Netanyahu don’t get along, doesn’t mean the US is going to suddenly become competent in settling Arab-Israeli affairs. Putin described the past 70 years of US “leadership” very accurately.
So disagree also.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 14:21 utc | 629

@Trubind1 #40
If there is one lesson any group should have learned by now, it is that the “terrorist” designation is meaningless.
The US has put on and taken off different rebel groups in Syria.
The Taliban went from terrorists to rulers of Afghanistan.
So no, I do not agree that Hamas has to change anything. If their gambits works, they will be celebrated.
As for the US: also disagree. The US can’t enforce diddly-squat nor have they implemented the multi-decade old UN Two State resolution. Just because Biden and Netanyahu don’t get along, doesn’t mean the US is going to suddenly become competent in settling Arab-Israeli affairs. Putin described the past 70 years of US “leadership” very accurately.
So disagree also.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 14:21 utc | 630

Hizbullah: I don’t know…
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 14:16 utc | 318

The red flag symbolizes vengeance.
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2023/10/15/2972129/hezbollah-signals-vengeance-by-hoisting-red-flag-video
This conflict is not about territory. It is about justice.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2023 14:26 utc | 631

Hizbullah: I don’t know…
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 14:16 utc | 318

The red flag symbolizes vengeance.
https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2023/10/15/2972129/hezbollah-signals-vengeance-by-hoisting-red-flag-video
This conflict is not about territory. It is about justice.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2023 14:26 utc | 632

@ tawharanui | Oct 16 2023 5:51 utc | 286
thanks… that link did not come up when his name was put in the search engine..
@ William Gruff | Oct 16 2023 10:39 utc | 311
your posts are often funny with the addition of being on target too.. thanks wg..

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2023 15:39 utc | 633

@ tawharanui | Oct 16 2023 5:51 utc | 286
thanks… that link did not come up when his name was put in the search engine..
@ William Gruff | Oct 16 2023 10:39 utc | 311
your posts are often funny with the addition of being on target too.. thanks wg..

Posted by: james | Oct 16 2023 15:39 utc | 634

@too scents #318
If “justice” was truly the driving factor, Hizbullah would already have attacked even though they were not notified of Hamas’ plans.
Nasrallah has never struck me as anything but a smart, pragmatic leader.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 16:18 utc | 635

@too scents #318
If “justice” was truly the driving factor, Hizbullah would already have attacked even though they were not notified of Hamas’ plans.
Nasrallah has never struck me as anything but a smart, pragmatic leader.

Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 16:18 utc | 636

Nasrallah has never struck me as anything but a smart, pragmatic leader.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 16:18 utc | 320

Indeed. Hezbollah will wait for the situation to develop to their advantage.
Nasrallah prophecises the 3rd fall of Jerusalem within 80 years of the Zionist State’s founding.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2023 16:35 utc | 637

Nasrallah has never struck me as anything but a smart, pragmatic leader.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 16 2023 16:18 utc | 320

Indeed. Hezbollah will wait for the situation to develop to their advantage.
Nasrallah prophecises the 3rd fall of Jerusalem within 80 years of the Zionist State’s founding.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 16 2023 16:35 utc | 638

Hamas couldn’t win the current paradigm. Gaza is getting more uninhabitable every year due to the water issue and the Israeli blockade makes improvements impossible. The attack on Israel may change the equation and was made in desperation. No decent person supports terrorism but perhaps Hamas believes if it worked for Jewish terrorists in 1946 it will work for them today. Israeli leadership should figure a way to make a peace both sides can live with.

Posted by: Bismarck | Oct 16 2023 18:59 utc | 639

Hamas couldn’t win the current paradigm. Gaza is getting more uninhabitable every year due to the water issue and the Israeli blockade makes improvements impossible. The attack on Israel may change the equation and was made in desperation. No decent person supports terrorism but perhaps Hamas believes if it worked for Jewish terrorists in 1946 it will work for them today. Israeli leadership should figure a way to make a peace both sides can live with.

Posted by: Bismarck | Oct 16 2023 18:59 utc | 640

@ William Gruff| 311
Hallo, Mr Gruff!! you are cleverly taking my comment out of context and try to make something else out of it. Please – take a breath and see clearly, that it is not my imagination what I said about Zionist movement preceding USA involvement in ME.

Posted by: fanto | Oct 16 2023 22:55 utc | 641

@ William Gruff| 311
Hallo, Mr Gruff!! you are cleverly taking my comment out of context and try to make something else out of it. Please – take a breath and see clearly, that it is not my imagination what I said about Zionist movement preceding USA involvement in ME.

Posted by: fanto | Oct 16 2023 22:55 utc | 642

The practice of the revenge by Israel and USA is tied to the Old Testament theology on which judaism and American protestantism are based.

Posted by: JP | Oct 18 2023 12:58 utc | 643

The practice of the revenge by Israel and USA is tied to the Old Testament theology on which judaism and American protestantism are based.

Posted by: JP | Oct 18 2023 12:58 utc | 644

The philosopher Zizek addresses the topic:
“Some conspiracy theorists will insist that the Netanyahu government must have known some kind of attack was coming, given the strength of Israel’s surveillance and intelligence-gathering capabilities in Gaza. But while the attack certainly serves the interests of the Israeli hard-liners now in power, it also casts doubt on Netanyahu’s claim to be “Mr. Security.”
“In any case, it is not hard to see that both sides — Hamas and Israel’s ultranationalist government — are against any peace option. Each is committed to a struggle to the death.
“The Hamas attack comes at a time of great conflict within Israel, owing to the Netanyahu government’s efforts to gut the judiciary. The country is thus split between nationalist fundamentalists who want to abolish democratic institutions and a civil society movement that is aware of this threat but reluctant to ally with more moderate Palestinians.”
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3238275/we-should-not-have-choose-between-hamas-terrorists-and-israeli-hardliners
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/10/16/world/israel-palestine-fundamentalists/

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 19 2023 18:14 utc | 645

The philosopher Zizek addresses the topic:
“Some conspiracy theorists will insist that the Netanyahu government must have known some kind of attack was coming, given the strength of Israel’s surveillance and intelligence-gathering capabilities in Gaza. But while the attack certainly serves the interests of the Israeli hard-liners now in power, it also casts doubt on Netanyahu’s claim to be “Mr. Security.”
“In any case, it is not hard to see that both sides — Hamas and Israel’s ultranationalist government — are against any peace option. Each is committed to a struggle to the death.
“The Hamas attack comes at a time of great conflict within Israel, owing to the Netanyahu government’s efforts to gut the judiciary. The country is thus split between nationalist fundamentalists who want to abolish democratic institutions and a civil society movement that is aware of this threat but reluctant to ally with more moderate Palestinians.”
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3238275/we-should-not-have-choose-between-hamas-terrorists-and-israeli-hardliners
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/commentary/2023/10/16/world/israel-palestine-fundamentalists/

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 19 2023 18:14 utc | 646