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September 11, 2023
Zelensky Threatens To Terrorize Europe

The Economist published another interview with the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski.

It includes his usual unrealistic platitudes about not ending the war until Russia has completely pulled back. Speaking with an English language media he didn't miss to mention the ever misunderstood story about Chamberlain's move in Munich:

Tapping loudly on the table, Mr Zelensky rejects outright the idea of compromise with Vladimir Putin. War will continue for “as long as Russia remains on Ukrainian territory”, he says. A negotiated deal would not be permanent. The Russian president has a habit of creating “frozen conflicts” on Russia’s borders (in Georgia, for example), not as ends in themselves but because his goal is to “restore the Soviet Union”. Those who choose to talk to the man in the Kremlin are “tricking themselves”, much like the Western leaders who signed an agreement with Adolf Hitler at Munich in 1938 only to watch him invade Czechoslovakia. “The mistake is not diplomacy. The mistake is diplomacy with Putin. He negotiates only with himself.”

In 1938 Chamberlain had no other choice but to give in on Czechoslovakia. Britain was not ready for war and the parts Hitler wanted to annex from Czechoslovakia had undeniably a largely German population:

He contended that Sudeten German grievances were justified and believed that Hitler's intentions were limited.

Zelenski goes on to threaten, in rather unthankful fashion, those countries which have delivered aid to Ukraine but may want to cut their losses:

Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally “behaved well” and are “very grateful” to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a “good story” for Europe if it were to “drive these people into a corner”.

I have seen such threats from low ranking individuals of the fascist Bandera fringe. They spoke of terrorism they would unleash in the West should it end its support for Ukraine. That the Ukrainian president now reinforces such threats shows how deeply he immersed himself in that mindset.

A previous Economist story shows that Ukraine has already set up the necessary infrastructure to wage a terrorist campaign:

In modern Ukraine, assassinations date back to at least 2015, when its domestic security service (SBU) created a new body after Russia had seized Crimea and the eastern Donbas region. The elite fifth counter-intelligence directorate started life as a saboteur force in response to the invasion. It later came to focus on what is euphemistically called “wet work”.

Valentin Nalivaychenko, who headed the SBU at the time, says the switch came about when Ukraine’s then leaders decided that a policy of imprisoning collaborators was not enough. Prisons were overflowing, but few were deterred. “We reluctantly came to the conclusion that we needed to eliminate terrorists,” he says. A former officer of the directorate describes it in similar terms. “We needed to bring war to them.” In 2015 and 2016 the directorate was linked to the assassinations of key Russian-backed commanders in the Donbas; Mikhail Tolstykh, aka “Givi”, killed in a rocket attack; Arsen Pavlov, aka “Motorola”, blown up in a lift; Alexander Zakharchenko, blown up in a restaurant (pictured).

Intelligence insiders say the SBU’s fifth directorate is playing a central role in counter-Russia operations.

From there it is just a short step towards total war:

Meanwhile, a long war of attrition would mean a fork in the road for Ukraine. The country would lose even more people, both on the front lines and to emigration. It would require a “totally militarised economy”. The government would have to put that prospect to its citizens, Mr Zelensky says, without specifying how; a new social contract could not be the decision of one person. Almost 19 months into the war, the president says he is “morally” ready for the switch. But he will only broach the idea with his people if the weakness in the eyes of his Western backers becomes a “trend”. Has that moment come? No, not yet, he says. “Thank God.”

Does Zelenski know of any country with a totally militarized economy that survived? I have yet to hear of one.

Anyway. To end the war is not in his hands. But can the West end the war?

Yves Smith takes a look:

Has the West Closed All Its Project Ukraine Exits?

She concludes that an end to the war is unlikely until bigger things change:

In other words, the way to an end game is regime change. And the weak regimes are all in the West.

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any country with a totally militarized economy that survived

위대한 김일성민족 김정일조선의 존엄과 영예를 온세상에 빛내이자!

Posted by: sam | Sep 11 2023 13:02 utc | 1

any country with a totally militarized economy that survived

위대한 김일성민족 김정일조선의 존엄과 영예를 온세상에 빛내이자!

Posted by: sam | Sep 11 2023 13:02 utc | 2

This is going to be one of his last interviews as “president” of ukraine

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 11 2023 13:06 utc | 3

This is going to be one of his last interviews as “president” of ukraine

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 11 2023 13:06 utc | 4

Z needs to go to bring peace to [uk]raine. Regime change must now happen

Posted by: AI | Sep 11 2023 13:14 utc | 5

Z needs to go to bring peace to [uk]raine. Regime change must now happen

Posted by: AI | Sep 11 2023 13:14 utc | 6

Thanks -B-
I had heard rumors but this is the first in print “threats” I’ve seen. Also, some mentioning a “Declaration of War “…
After the insidious UK Telegraph article, among many, I sense we’re at that Boris Johnson moment again, where the UK feels entitled to be “in charge” of the EU continent & “wage war” using NATO as it sees fit and the U.S. refocuses on Asian matters.
There’s a definite tug-of-war between Zelensky’s UK & US handlers. His “threats” the EU should take seriously.
There are many that believe the UK is some kind of US poodle, I’ve never believed that, their reach and power is hidden, but still applicable and lethal. Not so much “militarily” but in the areas of disruption & terrorism.
In any event, the fact that Zelensky is threatening, really the US NATO poodles, doesn’t strike me as an “act of desperation”, it’s a flat out rejection of Blinken’s “visit” and marching orders, or it’s Blinken’s marching orders to turn this mess over to the EU for support.
Either way, the handwriting is on the wall, find a way to drag NATO in, or US walks away.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 11 2023 13:17 utc | 7

Thanks -B-
I had heard rumors but this is the first in print “threats” I’ve seen. Also, some mentioning a “Declaration of War “…
After the insidious UK Telegraph article, among many, I sense we’re at that Boris Johnson moment again, where the UK feels entitled to be “in charge” of the EU continent & “wage war” using NATO as it sees fit and the U.S. refocuses on Asian matters.
There’s a definite tug-of-war between Zelensky’s UK & US handlers. His “threats” the EU should take seriously.
There are many that believe the UK is some kind of US poodle, I’ve never believed that, their reach and power is hidden, but still applicable and lethal. Not so much “militarily” but in the areas of disruption & terrorism.
In any event, the fact that Zelensky is threatening, really the US NATO poodles, doesn’t strike me as an “act of desperation”, it’s a flat out rejection of Blinken’s “visit” and marching orders, or it’s Blinken’s marching orders to turn this mess over to the EU for support.
Either way, the handwriting is on the wall, find a way to drag NATO in, or US walks away.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 11 2023 13:17 utc | 8

The terrorist infrastructure in Europe has already been setup through hundreds of millions or several billion $ worth of weapons transferred from Ukraine into Europe under the guise of “accounting errors” and corruption, and neo-nazi Bandera cells set up in every corner of Europe.
Yes, it’s the white man’s version of ISIS.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2023 13:19 utc | 9

The terrorist infrastructure in Europe has already been setup through hundreds of millions or several billion $ worth of weapons transferred from Ukraine into Europe under the guise of “accounting errors” and corruption, and neo-nazi Bandera cells set up in every corner of Europe.
Yes, it’s the white man’s version of ISIS.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2023 13:19 utc | 10

JOURNALISTS FOUND OUT HOW SHURMA OPTIMIZES TAXES FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF HRYVNIAS
The brother of the deputy head of the Office of the President is recorded as the owner of venture funds, which he uses to optimize tax payments.
The Helios Venture Fund is one of the most important assets of the family of Rostyslav Shurma, Deputy Head of the President’s Office, who before joining the Office of the President from December 2019 to November 2021 shone as the director of the fund, and later it was headed by the wife of Shurma’s brother Oleh. The authorized capital of the fund is UAH 435 million, they write in their material “Shurma’s venture capital for billions» Yuriy Nikolov and Antonina Volkotrub.
The founder of the fund is now Souniera Invest LLC with an authorized capital of 150 thousand rubles. and the beneficiaries are Oleh Shurma and Svitlana Stoyan and Olha Kuzina. The first, Svitlana Stoyan, Shurma’s partner, is a supplier of books and office equipment to institutions in the Donetsk region for 116 thousand hryvnias. The second is Olha Kuzina from Zaporizhzhia, a sole proprietorship, whose main activity is the activity of cafes and mobile canteens.
“Sauniera’s property was formed according to all the rules of white business — through offshore companies from the Marshall Islands (Noda Investment Limited — disappeared in the fall of 2022, Warren properties ltd and Vincent Holding Company), which the beneficiaries owned through a Cypriot trust (Marithema Nominee Services Limited). Usually, such complex ownership structures are used for money laundering and, yes, for tax optimization,” the authors of the article note.
https://zn.ua/ukr/ECONOMICS/zhurnalisti-diznalisja-jak-shurma-optimizuje-podatki-na-sotni-miljoniv-hriven.html

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 11 2023 13:20 utc | 11

JOURNALISTS FOUND OUT HOW SHURMA OPTIMIZES TAXES FOR HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF HRYVNIAS
The brother of the deputy head of the Office of the President is recorded as the owner of venture funds, which he uses to optimize tax payments.
The Helios Venture Fund is one of the most important assets of the family of Rostyslav Shurma, Deputy Head of the President’s Office, who before joining the Office of the President from December 2019 to November 2021 shone as the director of the fund, and later it was headed by the wife of Shurma’s brother Oleh. The authorized capital of the fund is UAH 435 million, they write in their material “Shurma’s venture capital for billions» Yuriy Nikolov and Antonina Volkotrub.
The founder of the fund is now Souniera Invest LLC with an authorized capital of 150 thousand rubles. and the beneficiaries are Oleh Shurma and Svitlana Stoyan and Olha Kuzina. The first, Svitlana Stoyan, Shurma’s partner, is a supplier of books and office equipment to institutions in the Donetsk region for 116 thousand hryvnias. The second is Olha Kuzina from Zaporizhzhia, a sole proprietorship, whose main activity is the activity of cafes and mobile canteens.
“Sauniera’s property was formed according to all the rules of white business — through offshore companies from the Marshall Islands (Noda Investment Limited — disappeared in the fall of 2022, Warren properties ltd and Vincent Holding Company), which the beneficiaries owned through a Cypriot trust (Marithema Nominee Services Limited). Usually, such complex ownership structures are used for money laundering and, yes, for tax optimization,” the authors of the article note.
https://zn.ua/ukr/ECONOMICS/zhurnalisti-diznalisja-jak-shurma-optimizuje-podatki-na-sotni-miljoniv-hriven.html

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 11 2023 13:20 utc | 12

Zilinski is a belligerent fuck, and the Russians are dragging their heals……will laugh my fucking ass off when Putin has to sit across the table from the little punk and negotiate…..don’t worry guys and girls I’ll supply lots of free towels, the amount of faces with egg on them will be colossal.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 11 2023 13:21 utc | 13

Zilinski is a belligerent fuck, and the Russians are dragging their heals……will laugh my fucking ass off when Putin has to sit across the table from the little punk and negotiate…..don’t worry guys and girls I’ll supply lots of free towels, the amount of faces with egg on them will be colossal.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 11 2023 13:21 utc | 14

More from zn.ua- turning everything around:
AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE NEW MOBILIZATION, THE GENERAL STAFF REMINDS THE RUSSIANS THAT THEIR ONLY WAY TO SURVIVE IS UKRAINIAN CAPTIVITY
In remote regions of Russia and in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine Mass forced mobilization will begin soon, caused by the catastrophic losses of the Russian army in the war, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There Tellthat the Kremlin plans to gather another 700,40 people to participate in hostilities, of which about <>,<> are residents of the Chechen Republic.
“Ordinary citizens will once again go to the front as ‘cannon fodder’ – residents of Russian regions, who will be pushed to death in the back by Kadyrov’s executioners,” the General Staff reminds. “Therefore, almost the only way for the Russian military to survive is to voluntarily surrender to the Defence Forces of Ukraine.”
https://zn.ua/ukr/WORLD/rosija-planuje-mobilizuvati-u-vijsko-shche-700-tisjach-hromadjan-vtrati-voroha-katastrofichni-henshtab-.html

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 11 2023 13:25 utc | 15

More from zn.ua- turning everything around:
AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE NEW MOBILIZATION, THE GENERAL STAFF REMINDS THE RUSSIANS THAT THEIR ONLY WAY TO SURVIVE IS UKRAINIAN CAPTIVITY
In remote regions of Russia and in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine Mass forced mobilization will begin soon, caused by the catastrophic losses of the Russian army in the war, according to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. There Tellthat the Kremlin plans to gather another 700,40 people to participate in hostilities, of which about <>,<> are residents of the Chechen Republic.
“Ordinary citizens will once again go to the front as ‘cannon fodder’ – residents of Russian regions, who will be pushed to death in the back by Kadyrov’s executioners,” the General Staff reminds. “Therefore, almost the only way for the Russian military to survive is to voluntarily surrender to the Defence Forces of Ukraine.”
https://zn.ua/ukr/WORLD/rosija-planuje-mobilizuvati-u-vijsko-shche-700-tisjach-hromadjan-vtrati-voroha-katastrofichni-henshtab-.html

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Sep 11 2023 13:25 utc | 16

You’re “inside Uke’s assassintion prog” link doesn’t work but this one does
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme
I don’t see how a programme of terrorism in Europe is going to liberate what was Ukraine.
My country had 30yrs of Irish Republican terrorism but they didn’t get a result until they, literally, began blowing up the financial sector.

Posted by: Tubb | Sep 11 2023 13:30 utc | 17

You’re “inside Uke’s assassintion prog” link doesn’t work but this one does
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme
I don’t see how a programme of terrorism in Europe is going to liberate what was Ukraine.
My country had 30yrs of Irish Republican terrorism but they didn’t get a result until they, literally, began blowing up the financial sector.

Posted by: Tubb | Sep 11 2023 13:30 utc | 18

Much like the budding young state of Jews in Palestine in 1947-48 … the terror campaign would hit the city of London with bomb attacks if an independent state wasn’t established by United Nations Resolution … Irgun Zevai Leumi (Lehi) or Zionist “Stern Gang”

Posted by: Oui | Sep 11 2023 13:31 utc | 19

Much like the budding young state of Jews in Palestine in 1947-48 … the terror campaign would hit the city of London with bomb attacks if an independent state wasn’t established by United Nations Resolution … Irgun Zevai Leumi (Lehi) or Zionist “Stern Gang”

Posted by: Oui | Sep 11 2023 13:31 utc | 20

-B-
RE: Yves Smith takes a look:
“Has the West Closed All Its Project Ukraine Exits?”
Regarding article. The last month or so, I’ve read so many articles & all the “YouTube” analysts, commentators ect on
“How the West will: freeze, end, settle, expand the conflict, what the West”might do” what the “West” will settle for.
It’s all West narcissistic mindset that REFUSES to accept the have no control over the: ending, settlement, freezing of the conflict.
All their machinations will come to naught. They have zero power to “decide” anything. The SMO will fulfill its goals.
There is only one “deviation” … the decision to “expand by bring NATO/US into direct conflict.
This decision too had been “gamed” by Russia.
All this flaunting, flailing, scheming, plots, threats, have also been “gamed” by Russia.
The West has only 2 choices… capitulate to meet SMO goals
(Goals are not about “territory”) or move on to WW3.
It’s obvious Russia and allies grow stronger by the month, while US and allies grow weaker.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 11 2023 13:38 utc | 21

-B-
RE: Yves Smith takes a look:
“Has the West Closed All Its Project Ukraine Exits?”
Regarding article. The last month or so, I’ve read so many articles & all the “YouTube” analysts, commentators ect on
“How the West will: freeze, end, settle, expand the conflict, what the West”might do” what the “West” will settle for.
It’s all West narcissistic mindset that REFUSES to accept the have no control over the: ending, settlement, freezing of the conflict.
All their machinations will come to naught. They have zero power to “decide” anything. The SMO will fulfill its goals.
There is only one “deviation” … the decision to “expand by bring NATO/US into direct conflict.
This decision too had been “gamed” by Russia.
All this flaunting, flailing, scheming, plots, threats, have also been “gamed” by Russia.
The West has only 2 choices… capitulate to meet SMO goals
(Goals are not about “territory”) or move on to WW3.
It’s obvious Russia and allies grow stronger by the month, while US and allies grow weaker.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 11 2023 13:38 utc | 22

Tubb@11….sorry mate, if there were bombs going off in your country they were set by FSB or SBS and of course the Brits will always credit the ‘terririst’ when they blow things up to get your attention….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 11 2023 13:38 utc | 23

Tubb@11….sorry mate, if there were bombs going off in your country they were set by FSB or SBS and of course the Brits will always credit the ‘terririst’ when they blow things up to get your attention….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 11 2023 13:38 utc | 24

Pic of Boris Johnson [dressed in the style of a Black Cardinal] performing a “Nazi salute” in Lviv yesterday
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/41814

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2023 13:41 utc | 25

Pic of Boris Johnson [dressed in the style of a Black Cardinal] performing a “Nazi salute” in Lviv yesterday
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/41814

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2023 13:41 utc | 26

Talking about Chamberlain I heard a story about how Hitler outwitted Chamberlain at Munich. Apparently, Chamberlain was a bad chain smoker-2-3 packs a day. Hitler didn’t allow smoking in his presence (he was also a vegetarian), knew about Chamberlain’s habit so he kept talking for two plus hours while Chamberlain couldn’t smoke (and boy did he need one in the situation he was in!) so Chamberlain at wits end complied, appeased.
However, I do agree with ‘b’ UK, Europe was not in a position to challenge Hitler militarily at that time; he didn’t have a choice; and neither do the Ukrainians today visa vis the Russians but they are driven by the US unfortunately.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 11 2023 13:41 utc | 27

Talking about Chamberlain I heard a story about how Hitler outwitted Chamberlain at Munich. Apparently, Chamberlain was a bad chain smoker-2-3 packs a day. Hitler didn’t allow smoking in his presence (he was also a vegetarian), knew about Chamberlain’s habit so he kept talking for two plus hours while Chamberlain couldn’t smoke (and boy did he need one in the situation he was in!) so Chamberlain at wits end complied, appeased.
However, I do agree with ‘b’ UK, Europe was not in a position to challenge Hitler militarily at that time; he didn’t have a choice; and neither do the Ukrainians today visa vis the Russians but they are driven by the US unfortunately.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 11 2023 13:41 utc | 28

Posted by: Oui | Sep 11 2023 13:31 utc | 12
The Israeli inspiration of the idea is much more obvious if you compare Zelensky’s threat to the Samson option, where we’re told that Israeli nuclear weapons are not aimed at Arabs, but at Europe, just in case Europe should backslide in supporting Israel.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 11 2023 13:43 utc | 29

Posted by: Oui | Sep 11 2023 13:31 utc | 12
The Israeli inspiration of the idea is much more obvious if you compare Zelensky’s threat to the Samson option, where we’re told that Israeli nuclear weapons are not aimed at Arabs, but at Europe, just in case Europe should backslide in supporting Israel.

Posted by: laguerre | Sep 11 2023 13:43 utc | 30

> In 1938 Chamberlain had no other choice but to give in on Czechoslovakia
Not at all. The entire interwar foreign policy of Britain was fostering Germany to use it as an attack dog against the Soviets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Lievywdoo
Czechoslovakia gave Germany 30% of the armament industry capacity that it had at the start of World War II. Czechoslovaks werent even given a seat on the table where their sovereignty was signed off other nations led by British. It was a master play from Britain to prop up Germany to use it as an attack dog as the top echelons of the British elite openly advocated at the time.

Posted by: Dodrey Dougherton | Sep 11 2023 13:44 utc | 31

> In 1938 Chamberlain had no other choice but to give in on Czechoslovakia
Not at all. The entire interwar foreign policy of Britain was fostering Germany to use it as an attack dog against the Soviets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Lievywdoo
Czechoslovakia gave Germany 30% of the armament industry capacity that it had at the start of World War II. Czechoslovaks werent even given a seat on the table where their sovereignty was signed off other nations led by British. It was a master play from Britain to prop up Germany to use it as an attack dog as the top echelons of the British elite openly advocated at the time.

Posted by: Dodrey Dougherton | Sep 11 2023 13:44 utc | 32

Posted by: Dodrey Dougherton | Sep 11 2023 13:44 utc | 18
The Soviets proposed an Entente with France and UK earlier than 1939 but UK refused. France had much more left wing influence.
Britain also made a naval treaty removing most naval restrictions for Germany in 1935. Germany created a non-aggression pact with Poland, which originally envisioned Poland would ally with Germany to attack the Soviets.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2023 13:58 utc | 33

Posted by: Dodrey Dougherton | Sep 11 2023 13:44 utc | 18
The Soviets proposed an Entente with France and UK earlier than 1939 but UK refused. France had much more left wing influence.
Britain also made a naval treaty removing most naval restrictions for Germany in 1935. Germany created a non-aggression pact with Poland, which originally envisioned Poland would ally with Germany to attack the Soviets.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2023 13:58 utc | 34

And that is why, as an American, I favor giving Ukraine, the so-called best weapons we have. We need to get this fight out of our system.
F16’s? No, give them F35’s.
Give them as man Abrams tanks as they want.
As awful as this is, ‘we’ have to get this fight out of our system. Let Ukraine get the best tanks / aircraft and let them throw in the towel without the likes of Nikki Haley bellowing that we held back.
Many say that the U.S. is slow walking this in order to avoid embarrassment. This is all the more reason to do it. Let the world (and the U.S. public) see the truth.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Sep 11 2023 14:02 utc | 35

And that is why, as an American, I favor giving Ukraine, the so-called best weapons we have. We need to get this fight out of our system.
F16’s? No, give them F35’s.
Give them as man Abrams tanks as they want.
As awful as this is, ‘we’ have to get this fight out of our system. Let Ukraine get the best tanks / aircraft and let them throw in the towel without the likes of Nikki Haley bellowing that we held back.
Many say that the U.S. is slow walking this in order to avoid embarrassment. This is all the more reason to do it. Let the world (and the U.S. public) see the truth.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Sep 11 2023 14:02 utc | 36

5 – 11. Pin excessive hopes on foreign Wunderwaffen;

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 11 2023 14:03 utc | 37

5 – 11. Pin excessive hopes on foreign Wunderwaffen;

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 11 2023 14:03 utc | 38

12 – The Irgun Zvai Bandera. What a thought…

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 11 2023 14:05 utc | 39

12 – The Irgun Zvai Bandera. What a thought…

Posted by: Waldorf | Sep 11 2023 14:05 utc | 40

Caitlin Johnstone’s latest:
Blinken: US Does Not Oppose Ukrainian Attacks Inside Russia With US-Supplied Missiles

Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 11 2023 14:21 utc | 41

Caitlin Johnstone’s latest:
Blinken: US Does Not Oppose Ukrainian Attacks Inside Russia With US-Supplied Missiles

Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 11 2023 14:21 utc | 42

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 11 2023 13:38 utc | 13
The hubris of the US/West is a constant source of wonderment, but the general public in the western nations does not have the stomach to see tens of thousands of their young men slaughtered in Ukraine, not even in Poland. Their governments are another matter. And the nations of western Europe are not going to accept seeing their major military bases destroyed by missiles if they intervene directly. One thing that’s keeping Europe locked into project Ukraine is the belief, reinforced by their so-called leaders, that Russia will seek to occupy other European countries if it has a win in Ukraine. Europe at this point is between a rock and a hard place – a hysterical fear of Russia ‘expanding’ westward while watching their arsenals dwindle while their wonder weapons are destroyed on the Ukrainian steppe. A long cold winter may be a clarifying experience.

Posted by: Mike R | Sep 11 2023 14:25 utc | 43

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 11 2023 13:38 utc | 13
The hubris of the US/West is a constant source of wonderment, but the general public in the western nations does not have the stomach to see tens of thousands of their young men slaughtered in Ukraine, not even in Poland. Their governments are another matter. And the nations of western Europe are not going to accept seeing their major military bases destroyed by missiles if they intervene directly. One thing that’s keeping Europe locked into project Ukraine is the belief, reinforced by their so-called leaders, that Russia will seek to occupy other European countries if it has a win in Ukraine. Europe at this point is between a rock and a hard place – a hysterical fear of Russia ‘expanding’ westward while watching their arsenals dwindle while their wonder weapons are destroyed on the Ukrainian steppe. A long cold winter may be a clarifying experience.

Posted by: Mike R | Sep 11 2023 14:25 utc | 44

zelenski and his masters are stuck in an illicit tv drama plot, using Cold War misinformation to con the people out of trillions of value which would better not enrich the war profiteers

Posted by: paddy | Sep 11 2023 14:30 utc | 45

zelenski and his masters are stuck in an illicit tv drama plot, using Cold War misinformation to con the people out of trillions of value which would better not enrich the war profiteers

Posted by: paddy | Sep 11 2023 14:30 utc | 46

@Dodrey Dougherton 18
Excactly. Hitler considered until 1941 the UK and the US as being allies, and Chamberlain pulled the strings in 1938 to itimidate the Czechoslovakian government to give in to Hitler’s demands (which had been drafted by Chamberlain). The goal has been from the beginning to use the prepped up Nazis for a war against Russia.

Posted by: Kassandra | Sep 11 2023 14:36 utc | 47

@Dodrey Dougherton 18
Excactly. Hitler considered until 1941 the UK and the US as being allies, and Chamberlain pulled the strings in 1938 to itimidate the Czechoslovakian government to give in to Hitler’s demands (which had been drafted by Chamberlain). The goal has been from the beginning to use the prepped up Nazis for a war against Russia.

Posted by: Kassandra | Sep 11 2023 14:36 utc | 48

@Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 11 2023 14:21 utc | 28
Vicky has also spoken, has a problem with “Russia’s most precious assets”. twitter.com/mtracey/status/1700955293922869341

Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2023 14:37 utc | 49

@Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 11 2023 14:21 utc | 28
Vicky has also spoken, has a problem with “Russia’s most precious assets”. twitter.com/mtracey/status/1700955293922869341

Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2023 14:37 utc | 50

How to insure your offensive will fail in 10 easy steps:
1. Announce when you will attack.
2. Make it obvious where you are going to attack.
3. Provide little or no air support.
4. Give the enemy plenty of time to prepare their offensives.
5. Possess much less artillery and mortar than the enemy.
6. Possess much less drone support than the enemy.
7. Continue to attack where previous attacks have obviously failed.
8. Fail to remove your dead and injured men from the field.
9. Force your troops to attack when they know their is a high chance of them not making it.
10.Provide military leaders that have little respect among their troops.
Posted by: young | Sep 11 2023 13:14 utc | 5
HOW TO ENSURE YOUR WAR WILL FAIL IN 10 EASY STEPS:
1. Start a fight with a country 10 times your size, by every measure.
2. Lie incessantly, make certain you insult and infuriate your opponent.
3. Enlist the help of a belligerent, mouthy Bully, esp. one who has no memory of it’s own recent catastrophic failures.
4. Have insufficient armaments and trained soldiers. Bring in whatever obsolete, worn-out, various and incompatible junk available at outrageous prices.
5. Take advice and direction from 2 countries seething with Hatred, but who have never, ever fought Russia directly in 150 years. In Crimea where one of them developed wonderful stories, but was slaughtered in fact.
6. Take “help” from Poland who are just assisting you to weaken yourself.
7. Refuse to look at the Big Picture, where your partner’s propaganda machine is well-oiled, but hiding the slow undermining of their own nations.
8. Never look at the Russian Proposal, a reasonable starting point, but now so far in the Rearview Mirror that it has disappeared.
9. Threaten your European supporters. That is the best Strategy. For your own demise.
10. Don’t forget that you have flipped from an Asset to a Liability for everyone. Nato, USSA, Ukraine. Yet Russia may yet see you as an asset. A Comedian as a Wartime Commander. Yes. Right before your eyes. There is the Joke.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 11 2023 14:39 utc | 51

How to insure your offensive will fail in 10 easy steps:
1. Announce when you will attack.
2. Make it obvious where you are going to attack.
3. Provide little or no air support.
4. Give the enemy plenty of time to prepare their offensives.
5. Possess much less artillery and mortar than the enemy.
6. Possess much less drone support than the enemy.
7. Continue to attack where previous attacks have obviously failed.
8. Fail to remove your dead and injured men from the field.
9. Force your troops to attack when they know their is a high chance of them not making it.
10.Provide military leaders that have little respect among their troops.
Posted by: young | Sep 11 2023 13:14 utc | 5
HOW TO ENSURE YOUR WAR WILL FAIL IN 10 EASY STEPS:
1. Start a fight with a country 10 times your size, by every measure.
2. Lie incessantly, make certain you insult and infuriate your opponent.
3. Enlist the help of a belligerent, mouthy Bully, esp. one who has no memory of it’s own recent catastrophic failures.
4. Have insufficient armaments and trained soldiers. Bring in whatever obsolete, worn-out, various and incompatible junk available at outrageous prices.
5. Take advice and direction from 2 countries seething with Hatred, but who have never, ever fought Russia directly in 150 years. In Crimea where one of them developed wonderful stories, but was slaughtered in fact.
6. Take “help” from Poland who are just assisting you to weaken yourself.
7. Refuse to look at the Big Picture, where your partner’s propaganda machine is well-oiled, but hiding the slow undermining of their own nations.
8. Never look at the Russian Proposal, a reasonable starting point, but now so far in the Rearview Mirror that it has disappeared.
9. Threaten your European supporters. That is the best Strategy. For your own demise.
10. Don’t forget that you have flipped from an Asset to a Liability for everyone. Nato, USSA, Ukraine. Yet Russia may yet see you as an asset. A Comedian as a Wartime Commander. Yes. Right before your eyes. There is the Joke.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 11 2023 14:39 utc | 52

Is the U$ now using Russian telegram as a source for battle front mapping????

US Army General and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley reviews a map of the situation on the Southern Front.
The map is just like ours on the Internet

https://t.me/llordofwar/201175

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2023 14:40 utc | 53

Is the U$ now using Russian telegram as a source for battle front mapping????

US Army General and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley reviews a map of the situation on the Southern Front.
The map is just like ours on the Internet

https://t.me/llordofwar/201175

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2023 14:40 utc | 54

A threat from Ukrainian ‘refugees’ in Europe? Not if they are forcibly deported.
But really, Zenky? Why aren’t those ‘refugees’ running home to fight the ‘invaders’ instead of waiting till the Greek Kalends to Rise Up and Run Riot? Could it be that they have no confidence in your matchless leadership. You know, that leadership quality lauded by the likes of senile dipstick Eliot Cohen.
And why trust in Creepy Joe anyway? The attraction of unprotected anal sex with Zelenska is surely waning. In any case, in the nutty way of our American friends, the best way of mobilising support is for a parade of hyphenated Americans petitioning Biden to do something, do anything.

Posted by: DilNir | Sep 11 2023 14:41 utc | 55

A threat from Ukrainian ‘refugees’ in Europe? Not if they are forcibly deported.
But really, Zenky? Why aren’t those ‘refugees’ running home to fight the ‘invaders’ instead of waiting till the Greek Kalends to Rise Up and Run Riot? Could it be that they have no confidence in your matchless leadership. You know, that leadership quality lauded by the likes of senile dipstick Eliot Cohen.
And why trust in Creepy Joe anyway? The attraction of unprotected anal sex with Zelenska is surely waning. In any case, in the nutty way of our American friends, the best way of mobilising support is for a parade of hyphenated Americans petitioning Biden to do something, do anything.

Posted by: DilNir | Sep 11 2023 14:41 utc | 56

Oh yeah sure, go and do this. Just let nutjob far-right Ukrainians launch a bombing campaign across Europe.
Does this idiot really want the EU to back Putin and let him carve up the whole Ukraine for Russia? Because that’s exactly how you’d do it. But if he really wants the average EU citizen to end up saying “You know what, Putin was right, fuck these guys.”, he ‘s free to try it.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 11 2023 14:42 utc | 57

Oh yeah sure, go and do this. Just let nutjob far-right Ukrainians launch a bombing campaign across Europe.
Does this idiot really want the EU to back Putin and let him carve up the whole Ukraine for Russia? Because that’s exactly how you’d do it. But if he really wants the average EU citizen to end up saying “You know what, Putin was right, fuck these guys.”, he ‘s free to try it.

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Sep 11 2023 14:42 utc | 58

Expensive day for Ukraine:

At the Dolgintsevo airfield in Krivoy Rog, the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed two MiG-29 fighters and three Su-25 attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force
>~ The scouts of the 205th brigade transmitted the coordinates of the hangar from foreign-made vehicles and RVD of one of the units of the Territorial Defense Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the settlement. Otradokamenka, after which the Russian Aerospace Forces launched an airstrike. https://t.me/llordofwar/201223
And

Germany will supply another 40 Marder infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine. The equipment will be used to compensate for the heavy losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in light armored vehicles after the failed summer offensive.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2023 14:43 utc | 59

Expensive day for Ukraine:

At the Dolgintsevo airfield in Krivoy Rog, the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed two MiG-29 fighters and three Su-25 attack aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force
>~ The scouts of the 205th brigade transmitted the coordinates of the hangar from foreign-made vehicles and RVD of one of the units of the Territorial Defense Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the settlement. Otradokamenka, after which the Russian Aerospace Forces launched an airstrike. https://t.me/llordofwar/201223
And

Germany will supply another 40 Marder infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine. The equipment will be used to compensate for the heavy losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in light armored vehicles after the failed summer offensive.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2023 14:43 utc | 60

To me at least, it is obvious NATO are 1930’s nazi Germany. It is they that have continually pressed forward (eastward) absorbing sovereign nations into a mostly single entity. Historians have written tomes about what would have happened if the “Allied” nations had challenged Hitler, militarily before their incursion in Poland. Well, we have a test case as Russia has challenged the Empire, and didn’t wait for Ukraine to be fully in the NATO/Euro fold. Will Russia be successful and was it better for them to take action when they did rather than a year later after Ukraine received NATO membership and maybe nukes?
I think so.

Posted by: Milton | Sep 11 2023 14:43 utc | 61

To me at least, it is obvious NATO are 1930’s nazi Germany. It is they that have continually pressed forward (eastward) absorbing sovereign nations into a mostly single entity. Historians have written tomes about what would have happened if the “Allied” nations had challenged Hitler, militarily before their incursion in Poland. Well, we have a test case as Russia has challenged the Empire, and didn’t wait for Ukraine to be fully in the NATO/Euro fold. Will Russia be successful and was it better for them to take action when they did rather than a year later after Ukraine received NATO membership and maybe nukes?
I think so.

Posted by: Milton | Sep 11 2023 14:43 utc | 62

Is the U$ now using Russian telegram as a source for battle front mapping????
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2023 14:40 utc | 34
Wrong. The U$/UK is creating the fake “osint” maps and is trying to make them more believable by showing a braindead actor like Milley in front of them. You can’t blame them for trying, the front line isn’t moving anywhere, they can pretend anything they want. And the mud months will give them more sources of imaginary success, it’s guaranteed nothing will happen, come back next summer.

Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2023 14:50 utc | 63

Is the U$ now using Russian telegram as a source for battle front mapping????
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 11 2023 14:40 utc | 34
Wrong. The U$/UK is creating the fake “osint” maps and is trying to make them more believable by showing a braindead actor like Milley in front of them. You can’t blame them for trying, the front line isn’t moving anywhere, they can pretend anything they want. And the mud months will give them more sources of imaginary success, it’s guaranteed nothing will happen, come back next summer.

Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2023 14:50 utc | 64

“…Europe was not in a position to challenge Hitler militarily at that time; he didn’t have a choice; and neither do the Ukrainians today visa vis the Russians but they are driven by the US unfortunately..” canuck@16
Nothing could be further from the truth. The threats against Czechoslovakia were largely bluff. As Dodfrey and Unimperator have pointed out the Skoda and associated arms manufacturers (such as the Brno plants) gave Germany far more than the greatly exagerrated increase in arms production gave the UK, after Munich.
The truth is that the Czechs could have defended themselves- that was the Germans’ concern. And getting Chamberlain and Daladier to underwrite their surrender saved the Wehrmacht considerable trouble and possible defeat.
It cannot be said too often that the strategy of the two western powers was to strengthen Hitler while pointing him eastwards. Which is why France caved so quickly in 1940 and the UK came very close to following it.
So far as I recall the French military alone was considerably larger and better armed that the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe in 1938, while the British had, and were later able to call upon, the vast reserve capacity of the Empire.
The German High Command was very nervous about Hitler’s threats. They did not realise that, for the Anglo French capitalists he was a favoured attack dog, the Czechs were given to him, and his fellow fascists in Poland and Hungary, as a token of the rewards that would come his way if he destroyed the Soviet Union too.
It was at Munich that the true nature of both the British and French governments was made unmistakeably clear, it was neither pacifism nor cowardice but hatred of communism that lay behind the appeasement at Munich.
The wonder is that, thanks to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Chamberlain and the French were unable to do a Munich Mark II when the ethnicity of the population of Dansk became a thing a year later.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 14:51 utc | 65

“…Europe was not in a position to challenge Hitler militarily at that time; he didn’t have a choice; and neither do the Ukrainians today visa vis the Russians but they are driven by the US unfortunately..” canuck@16
Nothing could be further from the truth. The threats against Czechoslovakia were largely bluff. As Dodfrey and Unimperator have pointed out the Skoda and associated arms manufacturers (such as the Brno plants) gave Germany far more than the greatly exagerrated increase in arms production gave the UK, after Munich.
The truth is that the Czechs could have defended themselves- that was the Germans’ concern. And getting Chamberlain and Daladier to underwrite their surrender saved the Wehrmacht considerable trouble and possible defeat.
It cannot be said too often that the strategy of the two western powers was to strengthen Hitler while pointing him eastwards. Which is why France caved so quickly in 1940 and the UK came very close to following it.
So far as I recall the French military alone was considerably larger and better armed that the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe in 1938, while the British had, and were later able to call upon, the vast reserve capacity of the Empire.
The German High Command was very nervous about Hitler’s threats. They did not realise that, for the Anglo French capitalists he was a favoured attack dog, the Czechs were given to him, and his fellow fascists in Poland and Hungary, as a token of the rewards that would come his way if he destroyed the Soviet Union too.
It was at Munich that the true nature of both the British and French governments was made unmistakeably clear, it was neither pacifism nor cowardice but hatred of communism that lay behind the appeasement at Munich.
The wonder is that, thanks to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, Chamberlain and the French were unable to do a Munich Mark II when the ethnicity of the population of Dansk became a thing a year later.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 14:51 utc | 66

@Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2023 14:37 utc | 32
Showing once again that they are only capable of escalation. It’s highly unlikely to end well. US military assets in Europe and Syria might be targeted in retaliation.

Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 11 2023 14:57 utc | 67

@Posted by: rk | Sep 11 2023 14:37 utc | 32
Showing once again that they are only capable of escalation. It’s highly unlikely to end well. US military assets in Europe and Syria might be targeted in retaliation.

Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 11 2023 14:57 utc | 68

@38
the u$$a neocons knew time was running out vis a vis Russia and China. obomber disappointed, they had clinton! but failed to cheat enough.
trump impeached for not starting war in galatia
Biden lined up for spring 2022 as ordered by neocon/nazis.
Russia hit first feint to kiev grabbed Kherson and Kharkov while neocon gloat over feint working.
times was not on u$$a empires side in 2010.
the world marches on u$$a fades
Biden has deed to Brooklyn bridge…… selling cheap

Posted by: paddy | Sep 11 2023 14:59 utc | 69

@38
the u$$a neocons knew time was running out vis a vis Russia and China. obomber disappointed, they had clinton! but failed to cheat enough.
trump impeached for not starting war in galatia
Biden lined up for spring 2022 as ordered by neocon/nazis.
Russia hit first feint to kiev grabbed Kherson and Kharkov while neocon gloat over feint working.
times was not on u$$a empires side in 2010.
the world marches on u$$a fades
Biden has deed to Brooklyn bridge…… selling cheap

Posted by: paddy | Sep 11 2023 14:59 utc | 70

I did post on the other thread more-than-a-decent probability that the AFU advanced pocket in Rabotyne will collapse. In addition to losing 40k personnel/300 tanks / 600 AFVs (those were the numbers over a month ago), it is rubbing salt in the wounds for Nato.
Definitely, it could be the prelude of the collapse of fronts east of the Dnepr. My guess is Blinken and Nato diplomacy are trying to stall and avoid this sort of scenario with their suggestions of “frozen conflict” and talks of “forcing Zelensky to agree on something”.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2023 15:00 utc | 71

I did post on the other thread more-than-a-decent probability that the AFU advanced pocket in Rabotyne will collapse. In addition to losing 40k personnel/300 tanks / 600 AFVs (those were the numbers over a month ago), it is rubbing salt in the wounds for Nato.
Definitely, it could be the prelude of the collapse of fronts east of the Dnepr. My guess is Blinken and Nato diplomacy are trying to stall and avoid this sort of scenario with their suggestions of “frozen conflict” and talks of “forcing Zelensky to agree on something”.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 11 2023 15:00 utc | 72

I doubt there are that many Banderites in the EU. Those who emigrated, particularly since the start of the SMO, are unlikely to be true believers (and those who were inEurope probably returned to fulfill their patriotic duty).
Once Ukraine collapses the Banderites have much to fear from the millions of Ukrainians who lost loved ones. There will also be many Banderites who will become furious to how they were deceived and betrayed by the higher up Banderites who were pocketing millions betraying Ukraine by taking bribes, selling weapons on the black market and profiting off those who could pay to avoid the draft.
So Zelinsky and the other top guys will need very good security in their overseas penthouses purchased with their loot. They risk getting the treatment that Trotsky got; or indeed suffer the fate of Bandera and be killed years after the war is over.

Posted by: Neal | Sep 11 2023 15:05 utc | 73

I doubt there are that many Banderites in the EU. Those who emigrated, particularly since the start of the SMO, are unlikely to be true believers (and those who were inEurope probably returned to fulfill their patriotic duty).
Once Ukraine collapses the Banderites have much to fear from the millions of Ukrainians who lost loved ones. There will also be many Banderites who will become furious to how they were deceived and betrayed by the higher up Banderites who were pocketing millions betraying Ukraine by taking bribes, selling weapons on the black market and profiting off those who could pay to avoid the draft.
So Zelinsky and the other top guys will need very good security in their overseas penthouses purchased with their loot. They risk getting the treatment that Trotsky got; or indeed suffer the fate of Bandera and be killed years after the war is over.

Posted by: Neal | Sep 11 2023 15:05 utc | 74

Zelenski goes on to threaten, in rather unthankful fashion, those countries which have delivered aid to Ukraine but may want to cut their losses:
I agree with most of what you say, but not so much with this point. Ukraine wanted to negotiate and was told (or at least heavily persuaded) not to. That was an insanely stupid and self-destructive move, but to say that the Ukrainians should be thankful for getting some weapons and ISR support in order to wipe out its own population for an absolutely unwinnable war when it had alternatives is a bit unfair, I think.

Posted by: Comacho in Chief | Sep 11 2023 15:09 utc | 75

Zelenski goes on to threaten, in rather unthankful fashion, those countries which have delivered aid to Ukraine but may want to cut their losses:
I agree with most of what you say, but not so much with this point. Ukraine wanted to negotiate and was told (or at least heavily persuaded) not to. That was an insanely stupid and self-destructive move, but to say that the Ukrainians should be thankful for getting some weapons and ISR support in order to wipe out its own population for an absolutely unwinnable war when it had alternatives is a bit unfair, I think.

Posted by: Comacho in Chief | Sep 11 2023 15:09 utc | 76

In all seriousness, and without any personal prejudice against Zelensky, any objective psychological profile of the man would conclude he is deeply paranoid but with delusions of grandeur, getting morexand more disconnected from rational reality. I would say he is not far from a serious breakdown. As the news about the true situations at the front continue to trickle in to him, soon he will just crack. I think he is in that same stage of crazy deluded denial as Hitler was when he made ridiculous and fatal final pushes against all advice and commonsense. His loss of Western support will crumble exponentially from here on.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 11 2023 15:12 utc | 77

In all seriousness, and without any personal prejudice against Zelensky, any objective psychological profile of the man would conclude he is deeply paranoid but with delusions of grandeur, getting morexand more disconnected from rational reality. I would say he is not far from a serious breakdown. As the news about the true situations at the front continue to trickle in to him, soon he will just crack. I think he is in that same stage of crazy deluded denial as Hitler was when he made ridiculous and fatal final pushes against all advice and commonsense. His loss of Western support will crumble exponentially from here on.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 11 2023 15:12 utc | 78

thanks b…
“drive these people into a corner”.
that is exactly what zelensky – usa-nato have done to the ukrainian people inside ukraine. they are now seeking women to serve in the military thru enlistment.. i am certain the mood inside of ukraine is off the charts in disagreement with this war and the logic of this war, not to mention all of their relatives either directly getting killed, maimed and etc… no one in their right mind in ukraine would want this to continue..this war is being forced on them.. i am certain most of them know this..
@ paul from norway and @ melaleuca – thanks for those posts..
@ sean the leprechaun | Sep 11 2023 13:38 utc | 14 – exactly..

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2023 15:13 utc | 79

thanks b…
“drive these people into a corner”.
that is exactly what zelensky – usa-nato have done to the ukrainian people inside ukraine. they are now seeking women to serve in the military thru enlistment.. i am certain the mood inside of ukraine is off the charts in disagreement with this war and the logic of this war, not to mention all of their relatives either directly getting killed, maimed and etc… no one in their right mind in ukraine would want this to continue..this war is being forced on them.. i am certain most of them know this..
@ paul from norway and @ melaleuca – thanks for those posts..
@ sean the leprechaun | Sep 11 2023 13:38 utc | 14 – exactly..

Posted by: james | Sep 11 2023 15:13 utc | 80

Who knew?
There were elections across Russia, including the new Ukrainian oblasts, over the weekend.
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 15:16 utc | 81

Who knew?
There were elections across Russia, including the new Ukrainian oblasts, over the weekend.
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 15:16 utc | 82

I see nothing wrong with these comments. He is completely correct. The silver lining of this war is that it has jolted the West into action. Germany especially.
Day 557
Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 11 2023 12:58 utc | 1
Nothing wrong with Nazis terrorists roaming Europe with military grade weaponry seeking revenge on the societies who’s RC armed them and gave them billions to carry out a doomed effort to erase historic Russia, an effort which has brought all of humanity to the brink of extinction.
You are garbage just like your precious Zelinsky and I sincerely hope you get your chance to join these Nazis in death on the battlefield.
The silver lining is that this imperialist Nazi adventure in Ukraine has jolted the entire world into awareness that US imperialism is the enemy of all humanity.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 11 2023 15:28 utc | 83

I see nothing wrong with these comments. He is completely correct. The silver lining of this war is that it has jolted the West into action. Germany especially.
Day 557
Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 11 2023 12:58 utc | 1
Nothing wrong with Nazis terrorists roaming Europe with military grade weaponry seeking revenge on the societies who’s RC armed them and gave them billions to carry out a doomed effort to erase historic Russia, an effort which has brought all of humanity to the brink of extinction.
You are garbage just like your precious Zelinsky and I sincerely hope you get your chance to join these Nazis in death on the battlefield.
The silver lining is that this imperialist Nazi adventure in Ukraine has jolted the entire world into awareness that US imperialism is the enemy of all humanity.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 11 2023 15:28 utc | 84

Blinken’s visit in Kiev may have multiple purposes: there was the usual announcement of unfaltering support, news of further military support. Perhaps Zelenksy’s domestic terror threat in b’s piece is related to Blinken’s visit (there are several ways how this might have happened).
But there’s also this: Blinken says Ukraine is ready for talks with Russia: Ukraine will negotiate if there is an initiative on the part of Russia, US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said in an interview with ABC. (it’s a random link carrying the message). It’s the first time I’ve seen a message of that kind from a Western official.
I don’t have an opinion if Blinken means what he says (we all know that Kiev forbade itself to negotiate with Moscow), and I don’t think that Russia is interested in negotations at this point and then it’s also unclear how to trust any Western proposal at this point. But Blinken’s tone is new.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 11 2023 15:31 utc | 85

Blinken’s visit in Kiev may have multiple purposes: there was the usual announcement of unfaltering support, news of further military support. Perhaps Zelenksy’s domestic terror threat in b’s piece is related to Blinken’s visit (there are several ways how this might have happened).
But there’s also this: Blinken says Ukraine is ready for talks with Russia: Ukraine will negotiate if there is an initiative on the part of Russia, US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said in an interview with ABC. (it’s a random link carrying the message). It’s the first time I’ve seen a message of that kind from a Western official.
I don’t have an opinion if Blinken means what he says (we all know that Kiev forbade itself to negotiate with Moscow), and I don’t think that Russia is interested in negotations at this point and then it’s also unclear how to trust any Western proposal at this point. But Blinken’s tone is new.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 11 2023 15:31 utc | 86

“They spoke of terrorism they would unleash in the West should it end its support for Ukraine.”
Thx b – as with MANY such statements, they only serve to paint a forthcoming narrative, which in this case revolves around the weaponized mass importation of fighting age males into G7 countries. Who’s to say sleeper cells aren’t already being established in those countries? The probability for such is high, given similar historic precedent. And perhaps the Outlaw Empire intended this outcome by roping in the G7 to hand over the mil gear & “volunteers”, knowing the wells would eventually run dry & turmoil at home would ensue. The subjugation of the G7 was always THE target. The decimation of Ukraine & its citizens is a bonus. Not sure how this ends though, short of additional inputs/factors, as we are not the drivers here – all we can do is examine evidence & hypothesize.

Posted by: ianMoone | Sep 11 2023 15:32 utc | 87

“They spoke of terrorism they would unleash in the West should it end its support for Ukraine.”
Thx b – as with MANY such statements, they only serve to paint a forthcoming narrative, which in this case revolves around the weaponized mass importation of fighting age males into G7 countries. Who’s to say sleeper cells aren’t already being established in those countries? The probability for such is high, given similar historic precedent. And perhaps the Outlaw Empire intended this outcome by roping in the G7 to hand over the mil gear & “volunteers”, knowing the wells would eventually run dry & turmoil at home would ensue. The subjugation of the G7 was always THE target. The decimation of Ukraine & its citizens is a bonus. Not sure how this ends though, short of additional inputs/factors, as we are not the drivers here – all we can do is examine evidence & hypothesize.

Posted by: ianMoone | Sep 11 2023 15:32 utc | 88

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 15:16 utc | 41
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As I’ve said a few times, life goes on during the SMO. Putin’s remit is much larger than this war which consumes 95% of our Russia bandwidth.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 11 2023 15:36 utc | 89

Posted by: bevin | Sep 11 2023 15:16 utc | 41
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As I’ve said a few times, life goes on during the SMO. Putin’s remit is much larger than this war which consumes 95% of our Russia bandwidth.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 11 2023 15:36 utc | 90

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2023/09/11/the-mackinder-strategic-bible-reconsidered/
New stuff from Alister…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 11 2023 15:41 utc | 91

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2023/09/11/the-mackinder-strategic-bible-reconsidered/
New stuff from Alister…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 11 2023 15:41 utc | 92

Does Zelenski know of any country with a totally militarized economy that survived? I have yet to hear of one.
============================
Israel comes close.
Z’s endless demands for billions look like a classic shakedown to me. Also very much like Israel, which somehow pulls off being both dependent and a bully, just like a spoiled teenager manipulating over-indulgent parents. In this regard both Ukraine and Israel feel quite similar.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2023 15:45 utc | 93

Does Zelenski know of any country with a totally militarized economy that survived? I have yet to hear of one.
============================
Israel comes close.
Z’s endless demands for billions look like a classic shakedown to me. Also very much like Israel, which somehow pulls off being both dependent and a bully, just like a spoiled teenager manipulating over-indulgent parents. In this regard both Ukraine and Israel feel quite similar.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 11 2023 15:45 utc | 94

I have predicted a collapse of this regime before the end of the year. I could be wrong, but not by much I think.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 11 2023 15:49 utc | 95

I have predicted a collapse of this regime before the end of the year. I could be wrong, but not by much I think.

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 11 2023 15:49 utc | 96

My country had 30yrs of Irish Republican terrorism but they didn’t get a result until they, literally, began blowing up the financial sector.
Posted by: Tubb | Sep 11 2023 13:30 utc | 11

One man’s terrorist?
I always thought I was a freedom fighter, attempting to liberate my people from an occupying power. Thank you for showing me my error.

Posted by: irish al | Sep 11 2023 15:54 utc | 97

My country had 30yrs of Irish Republican terrorism but they didn’t get a result until they, literally, began blowing up the financial sector.
Posted by: Tubb | Sep 11 2023 13:30 utc | 11

One man’s terrorist?
I always thought I was a freedom fighter, attempting to liberate my people from an occupying power. Thank you for showing me my error.

Posted by: irish al | Sep 11 2023 15:54 utc | 98

“There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned.”
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The millions of Ukrainians left the country for a reason. They did not have to leave.
To expect these “risk avoiders” to act terroristically in the EU, GB, USA, etc. is naive.
Of course, their mass provides cover for corresponding perpetrators, which Ukraine can set in motion at any time, if they are not already on the ground.
However, the consequences for this mass would be drastic after an attack.
Which employer would still trust Ukrainians?
Which landlord would still be happy to rent to Ukrainians?
The population would also react, with progroms, etc.
(e.g. if a number of Muslim migrants became victims).
If Baerbock then still thinks it would be clever to blame it on the Russians, …
Ukrainian terrorism would fall back on the supporters, i.e. the governments of the respective states.
The populations have other views on this.
The people would know that it is not the Russians and that their own government is endangering private and public security.
Well, have fun!
But if Ukraine is named as the author, the support ends at that moment.
So Ukraine could only commit terrorism on low level, which would not find public interest, thus would not be cleared up.
So it does not bring anything either.
In any case, Zelensky is now in the spotlight.
The statement probably originated in Zelensky’s Nazi environment.
They “think” that everything can be settled by force.

Posted by: 600w | Sep 11 2023 15:55 utc | 99

“There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned.”
———-
The millions of Ukrainians left the country for a reason. They did not have to leave.
To expect these “risk avoiders” to act terroristically in the EU, GB, USA, etc. is naive.
Of course, their mass provides cover for corresponding perpetrators, which Ukraine can set in motion at any time, if they are not already on the ground.
However, the consequences for this mass would be drastic after an attack.
Which employer would still trust Ukrainians?
Which landlord would still be happy to rent to Ukrainians?
The population would also react, with progroms, etc.
(e.g. if a number of Muslim migrants became victims).
If Baerbock then still thinks it would be clever to blame it on the Russians, …
Ukrainian terrorism would fall back on the supporters, i.e. the governments of the respective states.
The populations have other views on this.
The people would know that it is not the Russians and that their own government is endangering private and public security.
Well, have fun!
But if Ukraine is named as the author, the support ends at that moment.
So Ukraine could only commit terrorism on low level, which would not find public interest, thus would not be cleared up.
So it does not bring anything either.
In any case, Zelensky is now in the spotlight.
The statement probably originated in Zelensky’s Nazi environment.
They “think” that everything can be settled by force.

Posted by: 600w | Sep 11 2023 15:55 utc | 100