Ukraine SitRep: Western Military Commentators Finally Accept The Obvious
The Kuebler-Ross model of grief describes the human coping mechanism to deal with extremely difficult situations. It has five phases:
- denial - "No, not me, it cannot be true"
- anger - "Why me?"
- bargaining - attempting to postpone death with "good behaviour"
- depression - when reacting to their illness, and preparing for their death
- acceptance - "The final rest before the long journey"
With regard to the Ukrainian counter-offensive the last phase of the grief model has now been reached.
While not all politician are yet there, the military and intelligence specialists, who are part of the western propaganda squads, have made their conclusions. From their mouth the truth is dripping to the media. While the headlines below may not express it, the content of those pieces, especially in the first four, is finally admitting the obvious. It didn't work and the counter-offensive is done:
- Stormbreak: Fighting Through Russian Defences in Ukraine’s 2023 Offensive - RUSI - September 4
- Perseverance and Adaptation: Ukraine’s Counteroffensive at Three Months - War on the Rocks - September 4
- The Russians Are Getting Better - What Moscow Has Learned in Ukraine - Foreign Affairs, September 6
- How the Pentagon assesses Ukraine’s progress - Economist - September 6
- US Intelligence Official: Media Misleading Americans About Ukraine’s Battlefield Success - Hersh via Scheerpost - September 7
- NATO learning hard lessons about its future in Ukraine - Asia Times - September 7
- How Ukraine’s Heroic Stand Against Russia Could Collapse Into Failure- 1945 - September 7
- Ukrainian Progress: A Breach or a Breakthrough of Russian Lines? - War on the Rocks - September 8
- How Russia learned from mistakes to slow Ukraine’s counteroffensive - Washington Post - September 8
Simplicius has taken several of the above pieces apart and finds that they finally admit that the issue is lost:
Dire New Western Reports Call to Ditch NATO Tactics
Plus a roundup of other grist from the Western propaganda mill
Nothing of the above is new to Moon of Alabama readers. I may have helped to spare you the grief by not clinging to a the narrative but to the reality of the battlefield:
- On The Failure Of The Ukrainian Counterattack - June 16
- The Ukrainian Counter-Offensive Had No Chance. NATO Failed To Explain That. - June 23
- Reality Defeats The War Narrative - July 18
- Ukraine SitRep: The End Of The Counteroffensive - August 11
This outcome of the counteroffensive against the hardened Russian defense lines was predictable (May 11!):
In military books this is know as 'echeloned defense' with three lines of well prepared positions ten kilometer apart from each other. Each line consists of tank obstacles, mine belts, prepared anti-tank positions to monitor and counter potential breach attempts and well prepared artillery support from behind the next defense line.To crack such a nut without air support and without significant artillery advantage is nearly impossible.
But the Ukrainians did even worse than I had thought. The delaying action by the Russian army stopped them before they even reached the first defense line.
What may come next was predicted here on June 5, the day the counter-offensive was launched:
I strongly suspect that the Russian military will let the Ukrainian attacks run their course to then launch its own larger scale attacks against weakened Ukrainian defenses.
But to this day and while taking heavy losses the Ukrainian army is still running head first into a wall of Russian fire and concrete barriers. It may well keep going for another few weeks until the rain seasons sets in. That will lessen the chance of a renewed Russian attack. I have no idea yet of what might come instead of one.
To cope with the situation and bad news the U.S. will now send in a new wonder-weapon, the ATAMCS missiles with a range of up to 300 kilometer (190 miles). They come in several variants but the U.S. army will only be willing to hand over its older ones and only a few. The missiles are GPS guided which is unlikely to work well as Russia has sufficient electronic warfare assets that will disturb those signals. Some of these missiles will just divert from their target. Some will be shot down by air defenses. Some will come through. The 230 kilogram warhead can create quite a mess if it hits a large headquarter.
But keep in mind that the Russian forces are now regularly using FAB 500 glide bombs that come with nearly 500 kilogram of explosives. The bigger FAB 1500 have been tested too and are ready to be deployed. The new ATAMCS missiles will thereby not change the balance of force.
Former ambassador MK Bhadrakumar is sensing some diplomatic noise that might point to upcoming talks.
Ice cracking sounds on frozen lake of US-Russia relations
Talks may well follow but I would not expect any agreement. The Russian side will hold up its demands and the U.S. will still be unwilling to fulfill them. Not even a ceasefire will result from them.
Posted by b on September 9, 2023 at 14:44 UTC | Permalink
next page »Any sensible and responsible Ukrainian general would be plotting a coup and a surrender now.
Posted by: David Pollard | Sep 9 2023 15:08 utc | 3
Mobility warfare isn't inherent to modern ground wars but rather just appears as coincidence.
In the first half of WW2 the Allies were overwhelmingly unprepared compared to the Axis, and in the second half while both sides were skilled, in Europe the Axis were massively over-stretched across the continent while in the pacific the Axis suffered mostly to naval supply blockade including food, which caused the majority of causalities and weakness in defense.
The fact that WW2 was a "mobile" one was merely a large set of coincidences. In the American-Korean war the frontline was short in a mountainous area, resulting in a whole year of trench warfare, despite being a "modern" war involving the US. (No wonder it's "the forgotten war")
Theoretically, against a truly equally skilled defender with long-prepared defenses (which may be as far as fortifications with massive tunnels networks built for decades) equal not in size of materials or "official" quality but in actual quality, offensive operations against this defender is practically impossible. It will guarantee to be passable only in unromantic and dismal mass-artillery barrages, and will take too many causalities and resources to be effective. Against the "perfect defender" the only possible way to win is going for the ugly side of tactics- Threatening with and executing strategic bombing of the enemy's civilian targets, with the direct purpose of mass-killing civilians and depleting the population on the years-long run. Not just with explosives but also with unconventional weapons. The enemy either surrenders after receiving a tasting blow or collapses after a while. This is actually quite similar to what the Americans did in most of their modern wars.
Posted by: T6 | Sep 9 2023 15:10 utc | 4
Stellar work - always recommend MOA to anyone who asks a good place to know what's really going on vis a vis Russia/Ukraine.
Won't talk about all the elephants in the room (Blinken/Nuland et al) behind all this, but they're there.
The US is The Great Satan and has no interest in its own survival - the point is body count - and we ain't seen nothing yet.
Cheers!
Posted by: gottlieb | Sep 9 2023 15:12 utc | 5
Russia would absolutely foolish to agree to any ceasefire short of total fulfillment of the SMO's goals which Putin articulated.
Just look at Korea today. Just last week the US and SK held another round of military exercises. To avoid that, Ukraine will have to be defeated or capitulate to Russia's demands.
The ATACMS might be considered now to hit any large scale Russian gatherings for offensive actions. But, as b notes, Russian AD should be able to handle these.
Posted by: Crunchy | Sep 9 2023 15:16 utc | 6
I laid, among all friends, MoA.
This is a suitable example of accuracy.
Except…but…
I do apologize. Apparently my sincere call-to-action wasn’t enough to raise awareness, here:
There is a growing tendency among the Rethuglicans and their variously associated far-right extremists (among whom I don’t include the Trumpists) to increasingly associate the Opioid epidemic with China. Doug MacGregor, who is generally a realist in military matters, is running point on that propaganda front. My suggestion is that D.M. is a deep plant by people who want to provoke a war on China.
The only way the US wins such a war in China is via undisclosed technology, which I honestly do believe may be available.
But that also calls into question: what does the other side have in reserve?
We have all been pretending as if the meaning of “Special Military Operation” means “Limited Military Operation”, but I propose that there are other ways to understand the term.
As an aside here, I think we all recognize that Trump is easily manipulated because he’s simply a successful narcissist who can be easily discarded by the US oligarchs.
But this fentanyl thing…it’s insidious. The opioid epidemic in the US is entirely the product of US Big Pharma. China has almost nothing to do with any of it. The meth epidemic? Maybe. But this opioid crisis is entirely home-grown Big Pharma capitalist destruction in service of The Oligarchs.
The vast eradication of “useless eaters” is currently taking place, all under the attentive senses of various oligarchs (the Rockefellers, the Gates’s, the Morgan’s, the Goldmans and Sachs, the Carnegies—the list is long, and includes the Rothschilds, the City if London, and all that damned Norman aristocracy.
Doug MacGregor is clearly defending the horrific policy of the US/UK big-pharma elites. Doubtless, he wants far more kids (mostly male) to be pathologized as requiring “medication”.
All the while deflecting blame for failures in competence and theavailability of life-ending drugs onto the Chinese.
This mofo is FULLY aware of what he’s doing
Also: US industrial production has been hollowed out by the US oligarchs in pursuit of “agribusiness”, a term invented in a Rockefeller think-tank.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 15:17 utc | 7
It's possible to win a war with "morals" only against an overwhelmingly weak enemy or one which surprisingly agrees with strangely artificial and hard to enforce rules of war. Against a fully armed and skilled near-peer enemy it's only possible to either lose or win in a completely inhumane way which goes against every "international law of war" implemented after.. WW2. Post-war "war rules" are merely a cynical veil over the concept that all offensive actions are forbidden while defensive actions are allowed and you are a automatically a criminal/terrorist if you go to near-peer war and do not let yourself getting killed mass-killed.
Posted by: T6 | Sep 9 2023 15:21 utc | 9
the article from ambassador MK Bhadrakumar is encouraging.. we'll see what if anything, comes out of the g20 weekend here..
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 15:28 utc | 10
@ Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 15:17 utc | 7
that's an interesting allegation.. thanks..
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 15:32 utc | 11
About two months ago this website posted the exact same article, a claim that all the "western media" outlets were now reporting defeat for Ukraine But in those two months nothing comparable to a defeat has happened. Ukraine continues slow progress in the south while holding off Russian advances in the East. These articles listed are more about Ukraine changing tactics and trying to adapt. But this website dishonestly tries to misconstrue this article into the five stages of grief meme. The Simplicius articles, compiled by someone with a tendency to 9/11 conspiracy theories and bigoted attacks on transgender people, try to pull that same scam. It's irrational to mischaracterize changes in tactics as some kind of defeat.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 15:34 utc | 12
Big Serge some months ago described the crucial importance of German tanks in WW2 having radios on most of their battle tanks – allowing their panzer commanders to achieve highly effective command and control of large groups of panzer forces. Soviet tanks, by contrast, had few tank radios fitted when facing the blitzkrieg onslaught of Operation Barbarossa in 1941 and onwards.
Today, new technology is resulting in radio comms from tanks being a highly risky activity. Part of an article in a Ukrainian newspaper on the Ukrainian/Russian war, dated 9th Sep 2023, describes how advanced Russian SIGINT capabilities are making radio comms by tankers a fatal 'give-away' to the opposition:
“A tank platoon commander named Vladyslav recalls how the first time a Ukrainian tried to use a tank radio, the Russians immediately zeroed in on it and buried it in artillery. Since then, they learned never to use communications devices more powerful than a hand-held. Enemy troops are too-well positioned to punish any slip-ups.”
https://kyivindependent.com/new-brigade-bears-heavy-brunt-of-russias-onslaught-in-kharkiv-oblast/
Posted by: SoMuchToLearn | Sep 9 2023 15:36 utc | 13
You're management of this little bar has been a service to humanity since this war began. A toast to the best barkeep in the west!
Keep up the good work, old boy.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 15:40 utc | 14
@ Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 15:34 utc | 12
not sure why you post here.. especially if you can't understand nuance.. remain asleep.. it seems to suit you..
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 15:41 utc | 15
Thank you, b. A lot is being written now but you and the Saker were among the very first to bring light to my eyes.
I do not think there will be any peace. The US keeps doubling down and Russia should be very pleased at how things are shaping up, not only in Ukraine and the attrition of NATO, but in the Gobal South as well. Why would they want to stop now?
Many thanks again to you, and also the intelligent truth seekers who post to your blog.
Posted by: Moses22 | Sep 9 2023 15:43 utc | 16
When will commentators accept that their unquestioning jingoism and uncritical analysis of the build up to the conflict.
Has led to enormously inflated loss if life.
Let's not even begin on the economic destruction ongoing through Europe.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 9 2023 15:43 utc | 17
It's become Operation Tar-Baby for Washington.
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Sep 9 2023 14:55 utc | 2
Br'er Rabbit and the tar baby is the only story that made me laugh hard as a kid. Apt analogy.
I get a similar joy watching US imperialism fail miserably.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 15:47 utc | 18
Irish MEP Claire Daly got my link to MOA. I think all you barflies will like this.
https://youtu.be/YriTbfVLMiI?si=Le6S1BbVA29QnjOE
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 9 2023 15:53 utc | 19
@ Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 15:34 utc | 12
not sure why you post here.. especially if you can't understand nuance.. remain asleep.. it seems to suit you..
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 15:41 utc | 15
The poison dwarf claims to do it out of principle and not as a paid agent of imperialist intelligence. Weird, huh?
He just comes into the bar and gets whipped by reality over and over. A bit perverse considering every other site in the west is brimming with his kind.
Seems a normal person of his condition would just join the comments section at WaPo or NYT.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 15:53 utc | 20
@b:
But keep in mind that the Russian forces are now regularly using FAB 500 glide bombs that come with nearly 500 kilogram of explosives. The bigger FAB 1500 have been tested too and are ready to be deployed.
FAB-500 and FAB-1500 are simple unguided high explosive Soviet aerial bombs. It’s the UMPK kit (Unifitsirovannyy Modul Planirovaniya i Korrektsii, Unified Gliding & Guidance Module) that turns them into glide bombs.
Posted by: S | Sep 9 2023 15:54 utc | 21
Talks may well follow but I would not expect any agreement. The Russian side will hold up its demands and the U.S. will still be unwilling to fulfill them. Not even a ceasefire will result from them.
Russia has probably sustained north of 120K casualties. It's inconceivable that the Kremlin and the Russian public would not accept anything short of all stated War Aims to have been achieved. Failure to do so will result in Putin's dismissal. And he knows it.
Posted by: posa | Sep 9 2023 15:56 utc | 22
Chinese singer Wang Fan performed Katyusha in the Mariupol theater which Russia is currently rebuilding. It was blown up by Ua militants before they left the area and the destruction was blamed on Russia by the western press. Now Ukrainian web sites are frothing at the mouth at this latest affront to their narrative and their fake mayor (of Mariupol) is issuing ridiculous statements of outrage.
Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 9 2023 15:58 utc | 23
@12 - Inkan1969
Definitely Ukraine is winning, Russia is being weakened and Putin will soon die of cancer. Don’t forget Xi is a brutal dictator and the Chinese economy is about to collapse.
I vaguely recall Sun Tzu saying something applicable to this. Keep pouring Western weapons and resources into Ukraine. Meat grinders need meat. Time reveals the truth (except in Western history books).
Posted by: Moses22 | Sep 9 2023 16:02 utc | 24
I am thankful for the existence of this website as an island of sanity in an otherwise nutso landscape of thought.
That said, it is long damn way from "accepting the obvious" to taking responsibility for its cause.
The conflict cannot end until there is a deafening chorus of Mea Culpa.
Adding to the "not winning" outlook is the recent interview of former head of Czech intelligence, Andor Sandor.
Q: To what extent can a prolonged war destabilize the Central and Eastern European region? Does the region threaten to become a buffer zone between East and West?A: "I am afraid that the conflict in Ukraine is a war that will end with the collapse of Ukraine, suffering heavy losses and destruction. There will be another frozen conflict in the world, which will cause many problems for the part of Europe in which we live. Based on historical experience, as well as perceived threats and burdens, Russia will continue to be a unifying factor for Central and Eastern European countries.
[machine translated ==> https://myslpolska.info/2023/09/07/sandor-obawiam-sie-ze-zostaniemy-wciagnieci-w-wojne/ ]
Posted by: too scents | Sep 9 2023 16:04 utc | 25
@ Eoin Clancy | Sep 9 2023 15:53 utc | 20
it's a pretty good video and claire daly is always bang on.. my problem is the joke about zelensky being some important decision maker here.. that is a joke to my mind... this is all usa-nato-israel or whoever zelenskys puppet masters are here.. to get a settlement, it won't be with zelensky.. he is just a puppet here..
@ Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 15:53 utc | 21
personally, i think it is a japanese women, but i generally never bother to reply to them.. their posts highlight a mind with very little psychological insight to them... it is hard to think they are being paid for these posts, because they are obviously crap! i will go back to keeping them on the ignore list for obvious reasons.. i hope others do too.. thanks for your posts at moa ahenobarbus..
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 16:06 utc | 26
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 15:53 utc | 21
The poison dwarf claims to do it out of principle and not as a paid agent of imperialist intelligence. Weird, huh?
He just comes into the bar and gets whipped by reality over and over. A bit perverse considering every other site in the west is brimming with his kind.
It's not my fault that can't understand reality without making up a fantasy of imaginary paid agents. Do you go only here where there's supposed to be nobody but "your kind" who reinforce your claimed version of reality? Are you afraid of challenges to your own version?
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 15:41 utc | 15
Are you sure you're not the one who's dreaming?
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 16:09 utc | 27
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 15:17 utc | 7
Yes, you can only choose between one of two flavors in the imperial west today. You can get a scoop of war on Russia or one of war on China. If you're a real nutjob you can get a scoop of both at once.
Col. Doug may be playing that game, but he's done a great job humiliating the war on Russia crowd. May both sides tear each other to shreds so the ugly reality they both represent is revealed to the world and US imperialism falls.
I agree the drug addiction plaguing the US has nothing to do with China. Big pharma's legalized drug dealing is a big part of it (all the Sackler brothers deserve the death penalty), but the broader collapse of society, absence of viable avenues of social participation for working class youth and a culture that makes dead eyed consumers and not healthy critical minded citizens are a big part of the witches brew, as well.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 16:11 utc | 28
There is too much wishful thinking here. Ukraine is far from being defeated and the west can still solve all problems by printing money.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 9 2023 16:11 utc | 29
Are you sure you're not the one who's dreaming?
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 16:09 utc | 28
Yes, dreaming of the collapse of US imperialism and your precious Ukronazis, PD! People say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
But I could be wrong about you being here on principle. That's just what a paid law enforcement agent would say. Which is it?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 16:15 utc | 30
Doctorow, reporting from Belgium has a similar story to tell, https://gilbertdoctorow.com/
He makes the point that if the US strategy was to eliminate Russia as a potential ally of China, it has not worked.
Russia has grown stronger, both militarily and economically and has been forced to establish its independence from the 'West"; while NATO appears to be crumbling both militarily and economically.
The net result being that China, its western flank protected, now faces US aggression where the Empire is weakest in the Far East and the South China sea.
Things are not looking good for the warmongers in Washington- if they get their wish they will lose. And they see no way of postponing inevitable defeat in the long run except courting it in the short term.
Posted by: bevin | Sep 9 2023 16:16 utc | 31
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 16:15 utc | 31
Yes, dreaming of the collapse of US imperialism and your precious Ukronazis, PD! People say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...
But I could be wrong about you being here on principle. That's just what a paid law enforcement agent would say. Which is it?
You can dream about that as much as other people have dreamed of the Reich lasting 1000 years.
And you were the one implying that I was not here on principle, not the opposite.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 16:17 utc | 32
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 16:06 utc | 27
Back at you James. Love seeing you here.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 16:17 utc | 33
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 15:17 utc | 7
There is a growing tendency among the Rethuglicans and their variously associated far-right extremists (among whom I don’t include the Trumpists) to increasingly associate the Opioid epidemic with China. Doug MacGregor, who is generally a realist in military matters, is running point on that propaganda front. My suggestion is that D.M. is a deep plant by people who want to provoke a war on China.
A. Just like the R's and D's are trotted out as two opposing movements but are in fact two wings of the same Establishment bird, so also 'China' and 'The Outlaw US Empire' are regarded as two antagonists whereas in fact on the upper echelon level they are two wings of the same Globalista bird flying majestically towards a one-world order, albeit with various 'poles' on which to perch.
With Covid, I believe it a mistake to come down on either side of the 'China or US did it' debate; they work together.
According to Ramaswamy, there are 800 Chinese producing fentanyl in Mexico, but that doesn't mean that 'China' is doing it to 'America' as he jingoistically claims to garner votes. It is part of the concerted demoralization campaign along with the burning up of food factories, oil refineries, cultural dissonance with men in women's locker rooms, jailing political opponents and so forth.
Revolution here we come, except who is leading it? Not 'We the People', that's for sure. It's that same Globalista Reset crowd pulling strings all over the world.
That’s why that Oliver song has resonated with working people world wide, including tribals (with cell phones!):
Living in the 'new world'
with an old soul;
those rich men North of Richmond
they just wanna have total control..."
All nations have such men. And all working people know it.
Posted by: Moses22 | Sep 9 2023 15:43 utc | 16
I agree. G7 "leadership" is infested with psychopaths. These people do not recognize limitations to total world domination.
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 9 2023 16:17 utc | 35
@Eoin Clancy | Sep 9 2023 15:53 utc | 20
Irish MEP Claire Daly got my link to MOA. I think all you barflies will like this.Thank you, Claire Daly is one of the few voices of sanity, and she has a strong voice too! That she is speaking the horrible truth to the pathetic Quisling Jens Stoltenberg is the way it should be. I will never forgive that man for what he is done, even if he is just a puppet.
https://youtu.be/YriTbfVLMiI?si=Le6S1BbVA29QnjOE
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 9 2023 16:21 utc | 36
@Norwegian | Sep 9 2023 16:21 utc | 37
is done => has done
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 9 2023 16:27 utc | 37
Posted by: simplex | Sep 9 2023 16:11 utc | 30
If the West can solve all problems by printing money one wonders why they don't immediately deliver to the Ukrainians an additional 10 million artillery rounds to rejuvenate the offensive. After all it would only cost 20 or 30 billion - pocket change in a 40 trillion unified NATO economy.
Posted by: OnceWere | Sep 9 2023 16:38 utc | 38
About a fortnight ago, The Graun ran a piece claiming Ukraine had had a breakthrough in its "counter-offensive" (surely it's an "offensive" as they're attacking dug-in defensive positions rather than attacking into a Russian offensive?) and had got through Russia's "first line" of defenses.
I can't find it now, and deeply suspected it was horsesh!t at the time, but has anyone seen anything very recent that corroborates or debunks its claims?
Posted by: Observer | Sep 9 2023 16:39 utc | 39
After all those Nato enlargements;
the Maidan coup;
the Minsk I and II treaties and afterwards the interviews with Merkel and Hollande admitting the only reason for Minsk was to borrow time and arm Kiev;
the deliberate media silence about Nazi's committing atrocities in the Donbass and the bombardments on it by western media;
all those sanctions ready whithin a day of the Russian Special Military Operation;
the sabotage of the peace talks between Moscow, Ankara and kiev by Boris Johnson in spring '22;
the blowing up of Northstream 1 and 2;
every double down of "Biden" after another battlefield failure...
the Russians finally learned 2 things.
#1; negotiation with either Ukraine or Europe is useless, as they're not calling the shots; there is not a single souvereign country among them.
#2; the Americans (neocons, Biden's handlers et al) who do call the shots are completely, utterly and proven agreement incapable.
they do not believe in diplomacy, only in military solutions and genocide.
There will be no treaty. period. Medvedev was spot on this issue.
the only way to end this mess is one of two choices:
A: Russia will be destroyed, raped, plundered and Balkanized by the west, which means nuclear war, because the Russians will not allow their motherland to be ripped up. not after Hitler, and not after what happened during the Jeltzin years.
B: NATO, the EU and most certainly the Nazi regime in Kiev (read: the state of Ukraine) must be utterly defeated, never to rise again. America will lose and eventually leave Europe.
maybe this scenario will also turn nuclear.
that leaves us with a certain nuclear end times scenario or a possible nuclear end times scenario.
that's it. end of story.
Posted by: valar morghulis | Sep 9 2023 16:44 utc | 40
The situation is psychotic. Here is Axel Springer: "G20 statement backs Ukraine but omits Russia blame for war". That information is incorrect.
The G20 Leaders' Declaration" states neither. The only passage to which Axel Springer could refer—because Ukraine is nowhere else mentioned—is section, "For the Planet, People, Peace and Prosperity", pp-2-3, ¶7-13 plus Modi's signature one liner: "14. Today’s era must not be of war."
I finished reading that hot, steaming mess of acronyms one hour ago. So, I will cut to the chase: The principal objective of the summit is making NEW! markets for G7 private investors and "multilateral institutions" to rent (to lend) money to the poors. The "annex" (pp 30-37) lists contributors to the sales kit, which comically endorses "advancing financial inclusion" measured by G20 Remittance Target volume and fighting corruption, p.6, while committing to "the swift implementation of the two-pillar international tax package," p.24.
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 9 2023 16:58 utc | 41
Posted by: Observer | Sep 9 2023 16:39 utc | 42
Yes the Grauniad do delusion with the best of them.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 9 2023 16:58 utc | 42
@ Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 15:34 utc | 12not sure why you post here.. especially if you can't understand nuance.. remain asleep.. it seems to suit you..
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 15:41 utc | 15
Ink exhibits Dunning-Kruger syndrome. He thinks he understands the issues from the limited info (and disinfo) that he has heard in the mainstream media, and has derived his conclusions from that, with the certainty of a fool. The bigger picture does not exist for him because that would require re-evaluating his conclusions and a lot of work. No amount of argument or information will sway him from his beliefs. He is an idiot who shows up, drops a few turds on the bar then enjoys responding with even more turds when he is called out. As Ron White said, 'you just can't fix stupid.'
Posted by: Mike R | Sep 9 2023 16:59 utc | 43
The principal objective of the summit is making NEW! markets for G7 private investors ...
Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 9 2023 16:58 utc | 44
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Bingo!
Posted by: too scents | Sep 9 2023 17:04 utc | 44
MSM is gloating: Ukraine Situation Report: Breakthrough At Russia's Second Defensive Line
We shall see what Dima would say.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 9 2023 17:15 utc | 45
Posted by: Observer | Sep 9 2023 16:39 utc | 42
Where they talking about Rabotino? The Ukrainians have made some advances there, that have been presented as a breach every now and then the last couple of weeks. But that’s still in the crumble zone.
Posted by: Jörgen Hassler | Sep 9 2023 17:16 utc | 46
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 15:17 utc | 7
"The only way the US wins such a war in China is via undisclosed technology, which I honestly do believe may be available."
Yeah, and the F-22 was a successful plane, the 'Littoral Combat' ships are being ordered into mass production - the Zumwalt destroyers likewise, the F-35 has absolutely no problems, the new carriers lifts and launching systems are being eagerly welcomed by the sailors as being a dream come true, the USA has the best missile defense in the known world and the UFO aliens have just signed a treaty with Washington. That last one is the bit you really believe, I bet. LOL
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 9 2023 17:27 utc | 47
I write here just to address Pacifica's point at @7, which is dead-on accurate I think. First comment ever here, but love this site B. So good.
This is kind of a general plea, but we get so lost in the politics, and this team or that team, it's as if we've failed to figure out that the whole damn system is rotten, both teams. As the Founding Fathers realized, this is what poisoned so many governments in Greece and Rome and throughout history.
In any event, Trump was basically a 1980s Democrat who loves the country, hates wars, and just likes doing deals. Remember that MSNBC interview, where they listed out a bunch of positions and Trump is like, hey, you're describing me, and they said no, that's Bernie Sanders' platform. LOL. He is very close to the Kennedy family, which is why he and RFK do not attack each other. I would love to see that combined ticket. I truly believe that 2016 was the last free election, and the deep state was so sure he was going to get beaten in a landslide they did not activate all their plans/contingencies.
In any event, look at what Trump said on the campaign trail with regard to Russia. Why can't we get along?? What idiot wants to start WWIII??
Indeed. And then look how Trump dealt with China. Yes, he had very serious hawks on China on his team, but it really dealt with trade and business. Repeatedly, he made the comment that he doesn't blame China for these crappy trade deals and eating our lunch, they are just doing what's right for them, he blames our stupid leaders for allowing this to take place and completely hollowing out our industrial capacity. It is the fault of OUR politicians. That was completely respectful to the Chinese. (And of course, he would scapegoat this or that, such as Corona stuff, but that is just politics, even the Chinese get that)
As Pacifica said, Trump can be manipulated by the oligarchs, but it's even deeper than that. Understand how our entire system has been hijacked to work against the PEOPLE and for the benefit of the few at the top. Trump wanted no wars. Trump wanted to pardon Assange and Snowden any many others (he was threatened with immediate impeachment conviction if he did so). He wanted better labor deals and to secure the country.
The guy was impeached twice for essentially nothing. The Democrats were firing at will. And HIS OWN PARTY hated him. Opened up all these idiotic investigations like Russiagate. FFS, that scumbag Paul Ryan wouldn't even give him money to build the wall, which is the issue he won on. The deep state of McConnell, et al., had at their fingertips the ability to convict him with 20 GOP Senators standing at the ready if Trump went too far off the reservation. I think everyone has to remember that.
If one studies his errors, just consider what was arrayed against him. The Soleimani attack. True, I did not like that, but Trump was the only thing standing in the way of a full blown war against Iran. The MIC had those plans ready and literally said let's do it and put it before him. Trump said no.
Sending weaponry to Ukraine. Again, the WHOLE system was saying he was a puppet of Russia, so of course he was boxed into that corner. If he said no, can you imagine the fury of the system saying, see, we told you so!!
Pacifica, I'm not sure about MacGregor, and I'm willing to give some benefit of the doubt here b/c I really like his thoughts on Ukraine and military matters generally, but I do worry about any saber rattling with China. It makes no sense and is idiotic. They had nothing to do with the opiod plague. All one needs to do is look at the Sackler family and that whole rotten cabal and so many towers of power would come down if the people knew and the fury was put in the right direction. But certain ethnic clans and regulatory agencies would get nervous. There was a 25 page or so New Yorker article on that that was just brilliant.
It's amazing how much the system is against the people. You had Walgreens pharmacists refusing to fill prescriptions for ivermectin, which is essentially aspirin, but if you need some opiods, just come on up, no problem!!
Sorry for the very long winded message. The American system is rotten to the core. The only people in the ring that actually care about the American PEOPLE and peace and lives throughout the world imho are Trump, RFK, and Sanders to some extent. I don't trust anyone else quite frankly.
And finally, with the weaponization of the court system and these ridiculous indictments, which themselves are an indictment on the American populace as to the stupidity to which they have devolved and the darkness or partisanship that should have had these grand juries laughing this stuff out of the room, we are in sad and dark times now. Even though Hillary clearly was rotten to the core and an absolute criminal, I never supported anything criminal against her, you open that pandora's box and you don't know where it leads.
It's why there's a famous saying, grand juries are so retarded you can indict a ham sandwich. Very dark times ahead I think. The system is pulling out all the stops. I have no idea where this leads.
Posted by: Johnny | Sep 9 2023 17:32 utc | 48
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 9 2023 16:17 utc | 35
Maybe it's just capitalism, where corporations produce the products that maximize profits, including drugs and child trafficking.
Similarly, reducing supply to drive up prices or underspending on equipment maintenance is something based on maximizing shareholder returns.
I also think the virus is the product of transnational collusion, but the purpose is nothing magical, but rather to avoid stock market crashes and economic collapses like those of 1929 and 2008 through artificial detonation.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 9 2023 17:36 utc | 49
War until the last Ukrainian
https://t.me/russian_airborne/1688
Posted by: Crazy idiot | Sep 9 2023 17:39 utc | 50
@ Observer | Sep 9 2023 16:39 utc | 42
Far from the battlefields, policy meetings, and editorial boards, one can never be certain:
‘Ukrainian generals claim they have breached Russia's formidable first line of defences in the south, as the counter-offensive launched earlier this summer may be poised to gather pace.
. . .
"We are now between the first and second defensive lines," one of Ukraine's top generals in the south, Brig Gen Oleksandr Tarnavskiy told Britain's Observer newspaper.’
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/russia-defense-ukraine-trenches-dragon-teeth-visualized-614a4910
. . .but it could all be semantics with some Ukrainian authorities and Western sources now calling “the forward security zone” which includes Robotyne, “the first line”:
”Approached by the BBC on Saturday [September 2], Ukraine's 46th Air Assault Brigade said fighting was continuing near Russia's first line of defence, but that "no one has yet managed to go beyond the first line."’
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66702244
Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 9 2023 17:40 utc | 51
The Gruaniad was talking about Robotyne and 'breaching the first line of defense' - purest cope from the warmonger.
As I said, they've forced a salient ..still outside the first defense line..in low ground where they are surrounded on three sides by dug in Russians on high ground. What could possibly go wrong?
The level of idiocy in the prosecution of this war is off the charts. It's war for PR. Insanity..and the Western institutions have shown themselves to be utterly complicit in this warmongering.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 9 2023 17:40 utc | 52
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 15:34 utc | 12
Just as an experiment:
Could you please make a quick list of things you thought MoA got right?
Just need to check if you're a total imbecile or just a partial one.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2023 17:40 utc | 53
Army officially announced this week,
America will NOT be replacing/upgrading tanks sent to Ze.?
Instead focusing development of
first prototype by 2050, production 2060.
Btw, America has barely enough tank-reserves to protect only half the Walmarts from looters
*adagio for strings op.11
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WAoLJ8GbA4Y
Posted by: Timewilltell | Sep 9 2023 17:41 utc | 54
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 9 2023 16:17 utc | 35
I do share your general dismay at the will of the working man to fight.
Also; I agree that the Rs and Ds are a Uniparty.
But…no. The idea that the planet is ruled by a unified elite? That’s absurd.’
Chinese banks and bankers have been competing with European/US banks and bankers for hundreds of years. For just as long, South American, East Asian, Indian, and African peoples (as well as Central Asian folk) have been fighting Western Europe’s Colonialist agenda.
So your cynical—and totally unsupported, in any aspect—phantasy that China’s elite are united with the US Oligarchs
really is just comical. Farcical. Deluded. Cynically paid for by a letter-agency.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 17:42 utc | 55
About two months ago this website posted the exact same article, a claim that all the "western media" outlets were now reporting defeat for Ukraine But in those two months nothing comparable to a defeat has happened. Ukraine continues slow progress in the south while holding off Russian advances in the East. These articles listed are more about Ukraine changing tactics and trying to adapt. But this website dishonestly tries to misconstrue this article into the five stages of grief meme. The Simplicius articles, compiled by someone with a tendency to 9/11 conspiracy theories and bigoted attacks on transgender people, try to pull that same scam. It's irrational to mischaracterize changes in tactics as some kind of defeat.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 15:34 utc | 12
Apparently, the cleaning lady at foggy bottom forgot to feed your hamsters...
You know..... the ones which run your computer(s)...
BECAUSE....
You are confusing Bernard's work with that of Big Serge or Will Schryver...
AS FOR Simplicius' articles... it is apparent you cannot afford to subscribe....
Which is a pity....
Because if you subscribed.... you could read them.... and elucidate yourself...
But I digress...
Did Tony make it back safely??
Did the Zambians make lunch out of Vicky when she laid down the law WRT their debt???
OR
Did the Wagner guys make the Brits who have been raping Zambia an offer they couldn't refuse???
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 9 2023 17:42 utc | 56
@b - congratulations and thanks for your work. There is more truth in one of your posts, and the threads they stimulate than the combined total of all Western Media.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2023 17:43 utc | 57
I agree the drug addiction plaguing the US has nothing to do with China. Big pharma's legalized drug dealing is a big part of it (all the Sackler brothers deserve the death penalty), but the broader collapse of society, absence of viable avenues of social participation for working class youth and a culture that makes dead eyed consumers and not healthy critical minded citizens are a big part of the witches brew, as well.Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 16:11 utc | 29
Cheers.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 17:50 utc | 58
Given matters in China have a bearing upon the SMO, a few items to consider....
https://www.scmp.com/tech/article/3217919/tech-war-chinas-top-memory-chip-maker-ymtc-making-progress-producing-advanced-3d-nand-products
Tech war: China’s top memory chip maker YMTC making progress in producing advanced 3D NAND products with locally sourced equipment: sources
YMTC’s top secret project, which aims to use Chinese-only equipment, has placed big orders with domestic tool suppliers, including Beijing-based Naura Technology
The ramped up sourcing of local equipment comes after YMTC received fresh funding to the tune of US$7 billion from its state-backed investors, including the ‘Big Fund’
Chinese chip maker Yangtze Memory Technologies Corp (YMTC) is planning to use domestically sourced equipment to make advanced flash memory products after it was put on a US trade blacklist last year, according to industry sources.
If successful, the strategy would represent a breakthrough in China’s efforts to become self-sufficient in semiconductor production after the country was denied access to advanced chip making tools over Washington’s concerns that the technology would end up in the hands of the Chinese military.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-09-04/look-inside-huawei-mate-60-pro-phone-powered-by-made-in-china-chip
Huawei Teardown Shows Chip Breakthrough in Blow to US Sanctions
The company’s Mate 60 Pro is powered by SMIC’s 7nm chips, according to analysis that TechInsights conducted for Bloomberg News
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/30/how-china-became-king-of-new-nuclear-power-how-us-could-catch-up.html
China is the breakaway global leader in new nuclear construction.
China has 21 nuclear reactors under construction which will have a capacity for generating more than 21 gigawatts of electricity, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency. That is two and a half times more nuclear reactors under construction than any other country.
India has the second largest nuclear buildout right now, with eight reactors under construction that will be able to generate more than six gigawatts of electricity. Third place Turkey has four nuclear reactors under construction with a presumed capacity of 4.5 gigawatts.
The United States currently has one nuclear reactor under construction, the fourth reactor at the Vogtle power plant in Georgia, which will be able to generate just over 1 gigawatt.
“China is the de facto world leader in nuclear technology at the moment,” Jacopo Buongiorno, professor of nuclear science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told CNBC.
China is “the determined and pacing leader in global nuclear ambition at the moment,” agrees Kenneth Luongo, president and founder of the Partnership for Global Security, a nuclear and transnational security and energy policy non-profit. China is “leading, even racing ahead,” Luongo said.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202308/1297144.shtml
CHINA / SOCIETY
China to employ multiple methods to enhance monitoring of marine environmental pollution: MEE
By Shan Jie
Published: Aug 28, 2023 10:47 PM
In this aerial image, nuclear-contaminated water is released from the Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant into the ocean on August 24, 2023 in Okuma, Fukushima, Japan. Photo: VCG
In this aerial image, nuclear-contaminated water is released from the Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant into the ocean on August 24, 2023 in Okuma, Fukushima, Japan. Photo: VCG
The dumping of nuclear-contaminated wastewater from the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan has raised concerns among Chinese citizens about the state of the marine environment. Chinese environmental authorities on Monday vowed to strengthen the monitoring of marine environmental pollution through multiple means, including conducting baseline surveys of marine pollution and utilizing satellites for monitoring.
China has launched its third marine pollution baseline survey, with the goal of completing a thorough investigation and assessment by 2025, said Wang Juying, the director of the National Marine Environmental Monitoring Center, at the ministry's monthly press conference on Monday.
https://thechinaproject.com/2023/09/06/thailands-confusing-election-was-a-win-for-china/
Thailand’s confusing election was a win for China
Thailand's election saw winner Move Forward pushed to the opposition. It vowed to reset foreign relations including that with China. The current Pheu Thai-led government won't likely deliver that.
Chinese scientists look to 6G to hunt submarines, testing device small enough to fit on drone
Defence researchers say sensors can identify extremely small surface vibrations produced by a low-frequency sound source in the open sea
UAV-mounted platform could work in concert with other submarine detection methods such as a magnetic anomaly detector (MAD), microwave radar or laser
China’s most advanced Fujian aircraft carrier on track for 2025 PLA handover, latest Weibo photos suggest
Covers taken off all three electromagnetic catapults on the deck of the Fujian, social media photos posted by military buffs show
Images indicate readiness for sea trials and systems testing, with warship likely to join the PLA within two years as scheduled, observers say
Not included above.... Passenger traffic on the Laos High Speed Rail Network has more than doubled since the beginning of the year..
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 9 2023 17:54 utc | 59
Yeah, and the F-22 was a successful plane, the 'Littoral Combat' ships are being ordered into mass production - the Zumwalt destroyers likewise, the F-35 has absolutely no problems, the new carriers lifts and launching systems are being eagerly welcomed by the sailors as being a dream come true, the USA has the best missile defense in the known world and the UFO aliens have just signed a treaty with Washington. That last one is the bit you really believe, I bet. LOLPosted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 9 2023 17:27 utc | 50
I don’t pretend to know every advance the world may be hiding.
But I agree with everything you called our collective attention to: if that truly is the abysmal state of the US Armed Forces,then it’s in for a defeat.
If the US has been holding back, though—or if any of its competitors have been (both of which I seriously doubt)—then all future peer-to-peer wars will be unrecognizable, while the last 50 years of history will need to be re-re-written, because the current “history”, from the NATOstani perspective, is complete fiction.
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 18:03 utc | 60
Exactly how does this war end?
Simplicius makes the point that while Ukr soldiers can be slaughtered indefinitely, they are running out of most everything else. This means kamikaze attacks and massive loss of life. After the mud freezes, it also may mean Russia advances easily aside from minefields. This would also dovetail with loss of the EU/US being able to pay for weapons, even if they were available (aside from small arms). Even if a recession hits or Biden gets impeached, what changes?
Why would the US force an end to this? (EU vassals opinions are irrelevant) Russians die, Ukrainians die much more, why say 'stop'?
So, the prospective 'meat' either rebel en masse or they die for another decade (500 - 1000 per day). Currently, they are blocking women from leaving Ukraine, too.
Please offer evidence that I'm wrong. That would be better than the above.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 9 2023 18:09 utc | 61
There is too much wishful thinking here. Ukraine is far from being defeated and the west can still solve all problems by printing money.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 9 2023 16:11 utc | 30
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Tell us you haven't been grocery shopping in the West without telling us that you haven't been grocery shopping in the West.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 9 2023 18:11 utc | 62
But…no. The idea that the planet is ruled by a unified elite? That’s absurd.’
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 17:42 utc | 58
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Change "unified elite" to "the influence of Satan" and it makes perfect sense to me.
It is unnatural to exploit and consume other people. Small children aren't born with those impulses. They are learned in the societies and families that they grow up in. Look at any society and ask yourself about the values of that community. Horizontal social pressure (peer pressure from neighbors and family) is essential to social cohesion. Even if you don't like the values, the lack of a consensus around those values, or in the case of the West any moral values at all, leads to discivilization.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 9 2023 18:17 utc | 63
If the US has been holding back...
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 18:03 utc | 63
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The USofA has foundationalally fallen behind China. You could call the situation full spectrum retrograde.
A few examples:
Where is the Western advanced materials market? ==> https://news.metal.com/list/the-latest/rare-earth
Where is the Western integrated logistics platform? ==> https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3233734/us-raises-alarm-chinese-platform-corners-market-global-shipping-logistics
The Western audience doesn't understand how far behind they have fallen. If it weren't tragic it would be comical.
Posted by: too scents | Sep 9 2023 18:17 utc | 64
Guys, stop letting Inkan1969 yenwoda you. Just leave the bait alone until they retire the account and get a new fake handle for their work.
Posted by: super extra | Sep 9 2023 18:18 utc | 65
Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 9 2023 17:40 utc | 54
‘Ukrainian generals claim they have breached Russia's formidable first line of defences in the south, as the counter-offensive launched earlier this summer may be poised to gather pace.. . .but it could all be semantics with some Ukrainian authorities and Western sources now calling “the forward security zone” which includes Robotyne, “the first line”:
I've been hearing these claims for an entire week now in various forms: What's happening is that they're playing with the definition of "first line of defense" and defining "attacking past robotyne" (while the RF are still there) as "breaking the first line of defense.
Of course, robotyne is in the "grey zone". It's not even the first line of defense.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2023 18:18 utc | 66
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 9 2023 18:09 utc | 64
Mike Mihajlovic in his recent Real Truth Talk interview said that in his opinion the war will end (as it did WW2) once either side runs out of manpower and/or material. Which is probably true.
However, in the mean time, more people should be finding ways to hide from mobilization, leave, or surrender.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 9 2023 18:20 utc | 67
Here's the link...
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/realtruthtalk-interview
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 9 2023 18:21 utc | 68
UFO aliens have just signed a treaty with Washington. That last one is the bit you really believe, I bet. LOL
Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Sep 9 2023 17:27 utc | 50
"The Americans are not treaty capable"
-- Klaatu
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2023 18:23 utc | 69
Posted by: scorpion | Sep 9 2023 16:17 utc | 35
Yes, exactly. Glad to read someone else has clear cognitive awareness. I still posit this Uke/Russkie conflict is an international coup diversionary tactic. When over all individual and national sovereignty will be completely lost.
Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Sep 9 2023 18:30 utc | 70
Is the story of vulnerability of Russian hypersonic missiles true? The article linked below suggests that, and also alleges that leading Russian scientists involved in the development of this technology were arrested.
Posted by: fanto | Sep 9 2023 18:31 utc | 71
I can't find it now, and deeply suspected it was horsesh!t at the time, but has anyone seen anything very recent that corroborates or debunks its claims?
Posted by: Observer | Sep 9 2023 16:39 utc | 42
Check YouTube's DW, Telegraph and Times Radio channels where they claim the same breakthrough (and the capture of robotyne) multiple days consecutively for an entire week.
At some point they stalk talking about reported breakthroughs in areas that aren't even on the first line of defense ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2023 18:32 utc | 72
The USA Statute of Liberty knows her end is fast approaching
Posted by: AI | Sep 9 2023 18:34 utc | 73
Ukraine is far from being defeated and the west can still solve all problems by printing money.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 9 2023 16:11 utc | 30
How come the West has never been able to solve all it's current problems by printing money then?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2023 18:35 utc | 74
Posted by: fanto | Sep 9 2023 18:31 utc | 73
Gander seems like a typical anti Russian hack, from a brief search. claims the war is effectively over, Ukraine has won.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 9 2023 18:38 utc | 75
One final comment. Never, ever, underestimate the enemy. Rome wasn't built in a day. The Global American Empire wasn't either. As Pacifica stated, there are probably many, many other tricks up the Empire's sleeve. From everything I see, the GAE wants a big war, a world war, so slow and steady, and no overreactions or craziness on Russia's part, as maddening as it might be to some, seems to be the right call.
America still has a very very large group of Heritage Americans and that is a manpower and brainpower resource not to be discounted. Plus endless other additions in the last 40 or so years that could increase both. It is a land with vast resources whose people apparently can be tricked or convinced to mobilize by the media. It also controls most international institutions including the reserve currency. Financial, material, militarily and manpower, there is a reason America has been the sole remaining hegemon.
That is nothing to trifle with. Only a fool would disrespect that. And Putin and Xi are no fools. America may start to tear itself up internally, but it is nowhere near a serious stage yet. That has quite some time to play out I think.
But in no recorded history, that I can recall, do the "elites" hate the people so much as they do now in Western countries. It's almost sport for them to see how much they can screw over the native peoples. Really, only in the West. And that is because Western countries are ruled by a "foreign" "international" "elite," that have no connection to the people either by blood or allegiance. It's why I'm a monarchist. LOL. At least in a monarchy, the people had a figurehead they could appeal to that was connected to them by both blood and allegiance. The monarch's ultimate power over the oligarchs (and there will always be oligarchs or an elite, no matter the system, anyone who says anything different is an idiot) was the PEOPLE and the TRADITIONS. Through all recorded history. Today, the PEOPLE have NOTHING and NO ONE to appeal to.
The fact that you have credit cards charging 22% interest is all you need to know. Under the Code of Hammurabi, that would be a death sentence to the usurers. Now tell me who rules the modern West?
Posted by: Johnny | Sep 9 2023 18:38 utc | 76
Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 9 2023 15:58 utc | 24
Chinese singer Wang Fan performed Katyusha in the Mariupol theater which Russia is currently rebuilding.
A beautiful rendition of my favourite melody.
The YouTube comments are disgusting - mindless.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2023 18:47 utc | 77
Posted by: DocHollywood | Sep 9 2023 17:40 utc | 53
He might as well be saying, ‘we are between the upper and lower jaws of the crocodile and might soon be able to suffocate it by sticking our head down its throat’.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 9 2023 19:00 utc | 78
Irish MEP Mick Wallace also got my link to MOA. Here he is asking NATO chief a very interesting question. His question comes after a short piece with Doug and the judge. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/92m7s4btMwk?si=FR7vdllE44IzRDcn
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 9 2023 19:03 utc | 79
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 15:34 utc | 12
‘bigoted attacks on transgender people’ ….‘climate deniers’
Either an AI or a wannabe FUDer foot soldier, more duped than duping. Either way, I’d stay well clear
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Posted by: Milites | Sep 9 2023 19:10 utc | 80
I've been on Team Donbass since 2014. That means that I am skipping the entire Stages of Grief at this outcome.
Thanks for keeping me from the grief I would have felt if I was confined to the western Mighty Wurlitzer narrative, from the Empire of Lies, the last couple of years.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 9 2023 19:13 utc | 81
@fanto | Sep 9 2023 18:31 utc | 73
From your link:
The Russians launched an aerial attack on Kyiv on May 16 from the north, south, and east.Sure. That is how wars are won. By inverting reality.Six of Putin’s celebrated “Dagger” missiles were blown from the sky by U.S. Patriot defensive rockets.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 9 2023 19:18 utc | 82
Posted by: T6 | Sep 9 2023 15:10 utc | 4
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Hummm, sounds like Vietnam, except the Viet Cong who fought the US in the South, and the Viet Minh who fought the French, were never equal in military hardware or air power, yet they defeated two well equipped modern armies.
The NVA did receive support and military aid from both China and Russia, including air support, but still the tactic most used was Guerrilla warfare, hit and run attacks by small groups of fighters, often with the support of the rural civilian population in the North and the South.
I suppose you could say that it was defensive in so far as the Guerrillas hid in the jungles and caves which forced the French, the US, and the ARVN to come and get them in booby trapped jungles.
Posted by: Ed | Sep 9 2023 19:31 utc | 83
It's why I'm a monarchist. LOL. At least in a monarchy, the people had a figurehead they could appeal to that was connected to them by both blood and allegiance. The monarch's ultimate power over the oligarchs (and there will always be oligarchs or an elite, no matter the system, anyone who says anything different is an idiot) was the PEOPLE and the TRADITIONS. Through all recorded history. Today, the PEOPLE have NOTHING and NO ONE to appeal to.
The fact that you have credit cards charging 22% interest is all you need to know. Under the Code of Hammurabi, that would be a death sentence to the usurers. Now tell me who rules the modern West?
Posted by: Johnny | Sep 9 2023 18:38 utc | 78
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Great comment.
You're right that the "system" has been rigged against people so that there is no one to appeal to.
Bad people tend to rise to the top because psychologically healthy people aren't possessed by the Libido Dominandi and are much more interested in living peaceful family lives. This is why it is foolish to give power and obedience to other humans above anything else.
To paraphrase Frank Herbert, power doesn't corrupt. It attracts the corruptible. I feel that is a significant distinction.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 9 2023 19:34 utc | 84
@ super extra | Sep 9 2023 18:18 utc | 67
Yenwoda! Bingo! I knew Inkan reminded me of a past user, but I’d forgotten his name.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 9 2023 19:37 utc | 86
reply to 69, 70
I don't see that he brings up any specifics as to how this all ends. Russia's sole scare is that Ukraine can endure a "Tet Offensive" strategy. At the risk of sounding racist (which I don't want), maybe we can't compare a largely Buddhist background in a national war to Ukraine. Who can say?
I fear the example of what Trump as President manifested. "Smart" mainstream people kept thinking this or that couldn't happen - based on their assumptions of what could exist. Does the same naivete apply to war? The Unthinkable......isn't?
OTOH, false perceptions work in both directions. Could the US Uniparty simply react to end the war in a ceasefire, as driven by frustration and contempt for Ukraine and hatred for China, eager for confrontation with them? I perceive a whole lot of Western "reason" that's just a thin coat over crude emotion.
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 9 2023 19:39 utc | 87
The West. The West. The West.
U.S. Imperialim. And so on.
Let me fill a few holes in most of the commentators’ knowledge here.
There are more dollars traded in “the City of London” than the U.S.
If you can’t follow where that fact should lead you, I can’t help you.
Winston Churchill once described in boastful terms: With American brawn and British brains, the Anglo-Americans could rule the world.
“………As Prof. Carrol Quigley detailed in his The Anglo-American Establishment (New York: Books in Focus, Inc., 1981), the Round Table Group—also known as the Rhodes Trust, the Milner Kindergarten, and the Cliveden Set—was launched as an imperial secret society at the end of the 19th Century, with the specific goal of sustaining the British Empire, under the guise of the Commonwealth. Key to the entire project was the cooptation and recruitment of a U.S.A.-based Anglophile establishment, to consolidate the de facto absorption of the United States into the British fold…………”
I am a Kansas born and raised boy in fly-over country and I seem to know more about geopolitics than most here. We’re fighting for our existence just like everyone else. You can’t beat your enemy if you can’t define who your enemy is.
As for Ukraine and Russia’s tactics: wait for it. It is proceeding just fine.
Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Sep 9 2023 19:40 utc | 88
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 9 2023 17:40 utc | 55
Could you please make a quick list of things you thought MoA got right?
Just need to check if you're a total imbecile or just a partial one.
The website was right about Iraq back in the 2000's, right about Soleimani's assassination, and Israel's treatment of people in the occupied territories. It had an informed write-up on how AI really works, and noted that Putin governs to the right and so could be criticized from the left. Only a total imbecile would buy into anti-Semitic Khazar conspiracies.
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 9 2023 17:42 utc | 58
You don't have to subscribe in order to read Simplicius's articles. I don't see any news article about Nuland visiting Zambia.
Posted by: Mike R | Sep 9 2023 16:59 utc | 45
Ink exhibits Dunning-Kruger syndrome. He thinks he understands the issues from the limited info (and disinfo) that he has heard in the mainstream media, and has derived his conclusions from that, with the certainty of a fool. The bigger picture does not exist for him because that would require re-evaluating his conclusions and a lot of work. No amount of argument or information will sway him from his beliefs.
What do you base your expertise on? Wouldn't that basis be limited if you only derive them from pro-Putin sources? And are we allowed to question your "bigger picture". You seem attached to that bigger picture with certainty that prevents you from considering arguments and information counter to it.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 19:40 utc | 89
It's not my fault that can't understand reality without making up a fantasy of imaginary paid agents. Do you go only here where there's supposed to be nobody but "your kind" who reinforce your claimed version of reality? Are you afraid of challenges to your own version?
by: james | Sep 9 2023 15:41 utc | 15
Hi james. Trolls and hostile troll armies are an area of study for me. But that's within social media generally and comment sections in particular.
You have to contrast the tens of thousands of operatives against the couple of billion internet users out there.
In Balance it's my opinion that we get a good number of paid trolls on the site here, but like other sites the majority of these people are most likely just regular folks. Whatever that means.
It's a demographic with a certain mindset. For example the belief that they might sway our beliefs and opinions by reasoning with us. It does happen. And I know people that do similar confrontational things on right wing sites.
Are you sure you're not the one who's dreaming?
I'm pretty sure I am.
But Inkan you can take comfort in the idea that I think you're completely real. And there are millions of you folks out there.
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 16:09 utc | 28
Posted by: David G Horsman | Sep 9 2023 19:45 utc | 90
@ Milites | Sep 9 2023 19:10 utc | 82
AI? Well, I suppose something like ChatGPT could be programmed to pile on a series of ad hominems into a Gish gallop…
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 9 2023 19:47 utc | 91
Simplicius ends his essay....
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/dire-new-western-reports-call-to
Next year will certainly be an extremely eventful time where things are set to culminate with the heights of the American election cycle. It will be interesting to see whether the ruling establishment will finally be forced to cut the cord and throw Ukraine under the bus or whether they will dare risk some black swan escalation on the eve of the all-important and historic election. For now, Ukraine will continue to bleed for the gallery while the Russian war machine finishes calmly strapping on its armor in preparation for the killing blow.
Personally, I think him an optimist..... I doubt Ukraine can be held together that long....
I believe that with the onset of winter... Ukraine having cannibalized maintenance personnel for it's critical infrastructure....
Said infrastructure will be attacked enmasse ... for the purpose of making Ukrainian cities un-inhabitable....
To drive the Ukie civilian population out of the country.... or into the villages...
Where....
The civilian sector can no longer support the troops with food.... fuel.... water... transport...
AND.....
The Ukie war machine becomes immobilized.... Easy pickings for the Russian juggernaut....
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 9 2023 19:47 utc | 92
I don't see any news article about Nuland visiting Zambia.
Posted by: Mike R | Sep 9 2023 16:59 utc | 45
If you looked for such in the NYT/WaPo/Reuters/Bloomberg... you looked in all the wrong places...
You need access to Chinese/ASEAN/Russian sources...
AND.....
Must be willing to read them in the original Mandarin/Thai/Malay/Russian
Which I do....
And.....
I am not here to justify my reports....
I tell it like it is.... Whether you or the other trolls like it or not...
SCCC barely scraped the surface of my bio... he could not believe one man could achieve so much...
BECAUSE....
He and trolls like you are do nothings....
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 9 2023 19:55 utc | 93
@ b.
Thanks for sitrep that lurks through so much disinfo and obfuscation in general everydayness.
There are many voices calling this and that on stopping the RF in destruction of Ukraine, with a hidden thoughts on continuing push to weaken RF and China by some other means, but only strong statement from RF asking the unconditional capitulation by NATO thus Ukraine might halt Russian momentum that is growing and that at some point renders unstoppable.
Not understanding this by the current Western administrations is fatal. Regardless futile tryouts to disrupt Silk Road via Bharat under Modi, And while Modi, Saud, UAE and others seem compliant in the eyes of Biden and EU I have the feeling they just nod publicly while privately they will sink the idea at the first glitch West will make. And with the current Western incompetence that is happening real soon.
I think Ukraine is now even more unimportant and it is finished.
Focus is shifting rapidly elsewhere. However,
I hope that each and every person responsible for that tragedy will eventually be lined up against the wall.
Posted by: whirlX | Sep 9 2023 19:57 utc | 94
Political telegram channels wrote that the West was beginning to merge Ukraine, but propaganda in a single impulse tried to convince society of the opposite. After the G-20 resolution, all doubts were dispelled and everyone understands that the Korean scenario awaits us, and the attempt of our Foreign Ministry to criticize the resolution looks pathetic.According to the Financial Times, the final G20 statement on Ukraine was “a blow to Western countries that have spent the last year trying to convince developing countries to condemn Moscow and support Ukraine.”
The publication recalls that last year’s G20 declaration spoke of “aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine,” but now there is no such wording.
"Western diplomats said China's refusal to repeat the language was critical to pushing summit host India to offer compromise language," the newspaper said.
It is worth understanding that the resolution was supported by our main partners, the United States and Britain, which means Zelensky has time left until November.
https://t.me/Media_Post_UA/13372
International support for Ukraine is falling due to the conditional defeat of Ukraine during the offensive. Now there are rumors that Ukraine will go on the defensive, as the Russian Armed Forces are preparing a large-scale offensive.Also, problems with mobilization in Ukraine add to the disappointment of partners who realize that Ukraine will not survive a war of attrition.
https://t.me/legitimniy/16219
Posted by: Down South | Sep 9 2023 20:01 utc | 95
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 9 2023 19:55 utc | 95
Well, you seem to have achieved this:
https://cassandralegacy.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-internet-as-information.html
"Hi Luis. Mr Oprisko did submit an essay to IC and it went up briefly until I noticed what seemed to me to be attribution problems. I immediately took it back down, in a matter of hours. I don't however retain any records of the matter.
cheers. Juan Cole"
In essence: George Oprisko is indeed the author of the plagiary, and apparently tried to lure Juan Cole. In his first e-mail George Oprisko tried to lure myself falsely denying authorship. His second e-mail is probably a reaction to "legal action".
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Sep 9 2023 20:03 utc | 96
Deliveries of F-16 fighters and other new weapons to Ukraine will not allow the Ukrainian Armed Forces to turn the tide on the battlefield. This opinion was expressed by former American military man and foreign policy expert Matthew Ho in an interview with the Dialogue Works YouTube channel.“They talked about the Javeline, about the Stinger, about the Himars, about the Storm Shadow, about the Challenger, and so on and so forth,” recalls Ho of past arms supplies to Kiev, which the Ukrainian authorities presented over and over again as a “wunderwaffe” in the fight against the Russian Federation .
At the same time, Ho emphasizes that most of the weapons supplied by the West to Kyiv are already outdated. F-16 fighters were developed 40 years ago (and the aircraft that will become available to Ukraine will not be the newest, modernized versions, but one of the oldest), and Abrams tanks - before the Gulf War.
“There is a concern among the American military that any new or truly productive weapons transferred to the Ukrainians will fall into the hands of the Russians, and the Russians will learn to destroy these weapons,” the expert explains.
But even if the Ukrainians received new types of weapons from the West, this would not change the course of the conflict, because Russia has its own equally modern weapons, Ho believes.
For our part, we note that the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine showed that Western technology did not help Ukraine “knock out” the defenses of the Russian Federation, just as long-range missiles and aircraft would be useless in this matter (the F-16 is vulnerable to Russian Su-35 fighters, as well as air defense systems, such as S-300 or S-400). And the only opportunity for the West to try to turn the situation around is to send its own troops into the territory of Ukraine; this option has been calculated and is, in fact, a matter of time.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19582
Posted by: Down South | Sep 9 2023 20:03 utc | 97
Scorpion 35
China participating in medical research into bat related coronaviruses has nothing to do with the malicious spread of the virus by Big Pharma.
When people lie, and their lies are believed, the responsibility for the consequences rest fairly and squarely on the deceiver , not on the deceived.
China, Russia and RoW will never trust USUKIS again. The US is not being alerted to its precarious loss of reputation for fear of reprisals.
Once bitten, twice shy. If Blinken blinks re. War on China, he gets a hole in the head from Xi Eastwood. Pan pipe music.
The End.
Posted by: Giyane | Sep 9 2023 20:11 utc | 98
Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Sep 9 2023 17:42 utc | 57
Check Central Banks on BIS network list.
Contemplate how the oligarch billionaire class increased net wealth vs global GDP. This accelerated during Covid and also post SMO.
Consider how Chinese lockdowns ended soon after Xi extended his Premiership for life. Note how the same used to facilitate massive increase in mail-in ballots for 2020 US election. Note J6 demonstrators some still in solitary pending trial, including one for whom videos show him trying, unsuccessfully, to save the lives of two who died underfoot from police pressure; they don't want evidence to be presented that would debunk the Insurrection narrative they will use to find Trump guilty of leading it. Ask who is funding tens of thousands, maybe many more, illegal immigrants from all over the world (it's a minority coming in from Latin America now) with transcontinental plane fare and monthly debit card income after they cross in. And so on.
Maybe all just coincidence.
Maybe not.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 9 2023 19:34 utc | 86
Of course you liked the comment, Love. Are you also a closet monarchist?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 9 2023 20:14 utc | 100
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thanks b... you've been prescient to date and a much better source of news on this topic that most everywhere else.. i hope you are right here, but it seems the west can't say no to a continuation of military and financial support to keep it going... now the women are being enlisted.. when does the madness stop? a change in leadership? thanks for the ongoing coverage and links here today..
Posted by: james | Sep 9 2023 14:50 utc | 1