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September 22, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: The War By Numbers Of Humans

When I was much younger and still lived in my hometown I was training two local female volleyball teams.

There was also a local team for men with disabilities. We had some friendly matches. Most of the men, then in their 50s to 60s, had had amputations. Some due to accidents but most due to the second world war. But even with only one leg or one arm they beat my teenage girl teams without much problems.

After such matches I often sat down with the men and talked about the war and the consequences it had for them. They had all done well and were living more or less normal lives. But many more who had been wounded like them had killed themselves or died young due to the long term consequences of their wounds.

The numbers further down remind me of those men.

Yves Smith looks at Ukraine's future:

The Coming Ukraine Collapse and the “Rebuilding” Headfake

Its economic prospects are terrible and all the talk about 'rebuilding' it is mostly nonsense:

Now after that introduction, to the main event of the exceedingly poor economic prospects for what will be left of Ukraine… which is not even known. It’s pretty remarkable to see chipper talk in the West of rebuilding Ukraine, since it presupposes there will be a meaningful Ukraine left. It’s reminiscent of children discussing how much of an ailing parent’s wealth they expect to carve up when the process of dying could well wipe out the remaining assets.

When the war is over Ukraine will be a bankrupt and largely empty country. Yves quotes Michael Vlahos who mentions a piece by the intel-connected Jamestown Foundation about Ukraine's population numbers.

I searched for and found it:

Ukraine’s Manpower Requirements Reaching a Critical Threshold

The piece was published two months ago and its numbers are grueling. Here are some snippets:

Considering that Ukraine has a population of about 20 million citizens, and given that the most recent data on the number of people mobilized into the ranks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was last announced more than a year ago (at the time, it was reported that more than 1 million people had been mobilized), some estimates can be made based on how many new brigades have been created, the approximate number of those wounded and the calculations of the Ukrainian Ministry of Veterans Affairs regarding the potential number of combatants (up to 4 million) (Forbes.ua, July 8, 2022; Mva.gov.ua, May 23). Keeping in mind that Ukraine’s mobilization is permanent and that many have been wounded, the estimated number of mobilized Ukrainians totals about 2 million.

What does this mean for Ukraine? It means that 10 percent of the population is now involved with the armed forces, signifying that Ukraine’s mobilization reserve is rather small, with those pensioners who did not leave the country accounting for 10.7 million people (Pfu.gov.ua, July 12). All this means that Ukraine has approached a critical threshold with its personnel needs.

Twenty million minus the pensioners minus women and children leaves maybe some 6 million men that can potentially be mobilized. But many are still needed to run the economy and keep the trains rolling. The Minister of Veteran Affairs expects that there will be, in the end, some 4 million war veterans.

The war will likely end before that number is reached.

Since at least May the mobilization campaign has reached less than half the expected number (machine translation):

During July, only about 50% of the required number of soldiers was mobilized to the training centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which may soon lead to a decrease in the combat capability of the Ukrainian army.

This is evidenced by a preliminary analysis conducted at the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a source in the department told Ukrainian Military Pages. A noticeable deterioration in the results of recruiting new recruits to the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues from May 2023. Especially critical problems with the replenishment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine look against the background of increasing combat losses due to the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian army in the east and south and the offensive of Russian troops in the Kharkiv region.

Recall that in June, only 50% of those liable for military service from the number who were supposed to start training in training centers to replenish the Ukrainian army were also mobilized.

That lack of forces is the background of the recent mobilization corruption scandals. People had bribed the recruiters and doctors to get exempted. They will continue to do so.

Two million have already entered the Ukrainian army. Many of those have been wounded or killed.

Due to the war the number of people with disabilities in Ukraine has sharply increased (machine translation):

During the year and a half of the full-scale invasion, the number of Ukrainians with disabilities increased by 300 thousand.

Previously, 2.7 million people with disabilities lived in Ukraine, and now this figure has reached 3 million.

This was announced by the Minister of Social Policy Oksana Zholnovych at the opening of the All-Ukrainian Center for Comprehensive Rehabilitation for Persons with Disabilities, Ukrinform "Укрінформ"reports.

Given the miserable level of care for the wounded we can safely assume that a similar number of soldiers were killed.

Ukraine is running out of money and the minister wants to decrease social spending:

The Minister of Social Policy of Ukraine, Oksana Zholnovych, speaking at the International Sustainability Forum 2023 announced proposals to reform Ukraine’s social contract and social policies to aid the country’s further development.

In her opinion, in order to achieve success in the next 10 years, the state should not increase the number of existing social benefits.

Zolnovych says that it seems illogical for a veteran to earn a salary and pay tax which is later transferred back to him or her in some form of benefit. She feels that social policy should be a service that offers practical support where it is needed rather than just making payments.

Therefore, the Ministry proposes to develop these support services. Zolnovych gave examples: immigrants should be helped to adapt to their new life, find work, and integrate into society, if an individual has lost a limb, then they would receive help with finding and fitting a prosthesis, training how to use that prosthesis, and how to find appropriate work.

Some 20,000 of the wounded Ukrainian soldiers have had amputations:

There are not nearly enough prosthetic specialists in Ukraine to handle the growing need, said Olha Rudneva, the head of the Superhumans center for rehabilitating Ukrainian military amputees. Before the war, she said, only five people in all of Ukraine had formal rehabilitation training for people with arm or hand amputations, which in normal circumstances are less common than legs and feet as those sometimes are amputated due to complications with diabetes or other illnesses.

Rudneva estimated that 20,000 Ukrainians have endured at least one amputation since the war began. The government does not say how many of those are soldiers, but blast injuries are among the most common in a war with a long front line.

The lack of medical doctors in Ukraine was already serious when the war began. The war made it worse. It will now worsen even more. Starting October 1 female doctors and pharmacist will have to register for potential mobilization with the military enlistment office. Many are now fleeing the country as they fear that their travel will soon be restricted (machine translation):

Note that many doctors and nurses have long had military ID cards. Another thing is that there was no special control over the military registration of women until recently. For pharmacists, the prospect of becoming liable for military service is a novelty. And on this occasion, as the head of the association "FarmRada" Elena Prudnikova told us, the mood in the profile environment is alarming. The main thing that both doctors and pharmacists fear is the risk of being banned from leaving Ukraine.

According to Prudnikova, over the past two weeks, thousands of pharmacists have left in a hurry.

"Pharmacy owners are in a panic, people write applications and leave for Europe before the borders are closed to them. Who will work is an open question, especially since the industry is already in a severe crisis," Prudnikova told us.

The Ukrainian army will soon field body armor for female soldiers. There are currently some 5,000 female soldiers near the front lines. That could change if the Ukrainian military starts to mobilize more women.

As more Ukrainian soldiers defect to the Russian side the number of war prisoners has increased to about 9,000.

Civilian casualties have been low. The UN has registered less than 10,000 killed and less that 17,000 wounded.

The mobilization has serious consequences for Ukraine's economy. It lacks the labor force that is needed to keep it running.

As Yves writes:

Ukraine’s government is now substantially if not totally dependent on Western funding. Federal spending was $35 billion in 2021 and $61 billion in 2022. A substantial portion of US aid was to prop up the government.

And even if spending falls from war-level peaks, Ukraine’s fall in GDP (estimated at 25%, which seems low) in combination with not just an aged population, but now a large number of war disabled, including many amputees, means an increased social burden with greatly diminished productive capacity.

And we have not even factored in what happens if Russia eventually marches up to the Dnieper, getting even more of Ukraine’s most productive farm land, and/or takes the Black Sea coast, turning Ukraine into an even poorer landlocked rump state. The fact that the US is unwilling to make any concession to the key Russian demand of no Ukraine ever in NATO means Russia will prosecute the war until it has subjugated Ukraine, by whatever combination of conquest, installation of a captive government, and economic destruction needs to happen.

To 'rebuild' from that is likely impossible.

Comments

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2023 22:45 utc | 92
true… ethnocentric thinking or racist thinking is cultivated by the media and unfortunately the political leaders who have no greater vision for the world, but instead are divisive and working at dividing people into good and bad.. the ”you are either for us or against us’ bush 2 type thinking is being constantly cultivated… and of course there is a sucker born every day who falls for this shit..
i agree with karlof1.. it is ignorance that feeds this and people like yourself, karl and a number of others here are working in your own way to dispel this… good luck with your daughter… one day she might wake up.. good to see you here..

Posted by: james | Sep 22 2023 23:34 utc | 201

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2023 22:45 utc | 92
true… ethnocentric thinking or racist thinking is cultivated by the media and unfortunately the political leaders who have no greater vision for the world, but instead are divisive and working at dividing people into good and bad.. the ”you are either for us or against us’ bush 2 type thinking is being constantly cultivated… and of course there is a sucker born every day who falls for this shit..
i agree with karlof1.. it is ignorance that feeds this and people like yourself, karl and a number of others here are working in your own way to dispel this… good luck with your daughter… one day she might wake up.. good to see you here..

Posted by: james | Sep 22 2023 23:34 utc | 202

President Joe Biden has told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, that the United States will provide a small number of long-range ATACMS missiles to aid the war with Russia, three U.S. officials and a congressional official familiar with the discussions told NBC News on Friday.
It’s only wafer thin

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 22 2023 23:47 utc | 203

President Joe Biden has told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, that the United States will provide a small number of long-range ATACMS missiles to aid the war with Russia, three U.S. officials and a congressional official familiar with the discussions told NBC News on Friday.
It’s only wafer thin

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 22 2023 23:47 utc | 204

Posted by: jared | Sep 22 2023 19:13 utc | 27
What ursula “goebbels“ von der lying did in that speech was intentional.
Anyone been in japan has already seen that odd “the soviets did the bombs“ from the younger generation.
Schoolbooks omitt the culprit, the usa, by name. The museums dont mention them either.
Its a slow generational falsification of history the usa is pushing on japan. And their lapdog government is obliging with due dilligence.
Same they did in ukraine. Same lithuania is doing in their schools and historybooks. Kalla kajas (or however that piece of human garbage is spelled) said it live on camera a few months ago in the munich conference.
The usa/nato is whitewashing themself out of everyrhing.
Nonstop propaganda does the rest.
Thats how you breed the next wave of agressive rabid dogs. “western values“.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 22 2023 23:56 utc | 205

Posted by: jared | Sep 22 2023 19:13 utc | 27
What ursula “goebbels“ von der lying did in that speech was intentional.
Anyone been in japan has already seen that odd “the soviets did the bombs“ from the younger generation.
Schoolbooks omitt the culprit, the usa, by name. The museums dont mention them either.
Its a slow generational falsification of history the usa is pushing on japan. And their lapdog government is obliging with due dilligence.
Same they did in ukraine. Same lithuania is doing in their schools and historybooks. Kalla kajas (or however that piece of human garbage is spelled) said it live on camera a few months ago in the munich conference.
The usa/nato is whitewashing themself out of everyrhing.
Nonstop propaganda does the rest.
Thats how you breed the next wave of agressive rabid dogs. “western values“.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 22 2023 23:56 utc | 206

karlof1 | Sep 22 2023 23:12 utc | 100 “Is it rational to be ignorant, or is ignorance rational? Can Bliss really be attained by not knowing a great many things? Or can not knowing be deadly?”
On the first, I don’t think it is a question of rational or irrational, rather simply part of the pre-programmed character of the vast range of personal characters that make up humanity. Psyops is the study and weaponization of average human character.
I found a pdf copy of a CIA or special forces insurgency warfare training manual some years back. In any given target population, 80% are highly susceptible to propaganda. These are what I would call the group thinkers. Both modern marketing and western psyops are the same. Create group think trends. In marketing a nicnac or gadget or clothing fashion its about creating the illusion that many are using or doing this and that, especially the cool kids on the block. And so you have photogenic models to sell clothes and watches and so forth.
At the top of the chart was ten percent and at the bottom of the chart was the other ten percent. For the purposes of the US training manual on insurgency warfare, the non group thinkers at the top were anti US and not susceptible American psyops and they were the leadership to be overthrown. The ten percent at the bottom were the so called moderate rebels, freedom fighters or whatever other term is chosen for the corrupt and or ideological/religious extremists that operate as American proxies.
In Ukraine, the dedicated nazi’s are the extremists although the corruption in Ukraine was also a fertile ground for US/UK operations. But that middle 80% of the ordinary people in Ukraine have been the target of a massive psyops for the past eight years or more with all opposing voices being shut down in that time.
We see in Ukraine how easily that 80% of ordinary people can be led to their own destruction.
If we go back in history, humans are a social animal in general. Hunter gatherers always lived in groups so there is a natural need to fit in, to be part of the group. Size of the group only dependent upon food supplies.
An interesting thing in mustering sheep. A single sheep out on its own is difficult to control because it is thinking for itself. any number up to five is very difficult to control as they are thinking for themselves. Get the number up to twenty and group think begins to kick in. Ad more individuals and small mobs to get the mob size up to 100 and group think has kicked in completely and they are very easy to handle. Every sheep thinks the others know what they are doing. A large mob that starts to run are interesting to watch. Those that get to the lead suddenly wonder were the fuck are we supposed to be going and quickly drop back into the mob. There are some exceptions to this with occasionally some individual sheep taking the lead and the rest follow.
“Can Bliss really be attained by not knowing a great many things? Or can not knowing be deadly?”
My thought is both. In my sisters case she is also looking for a safe place where bad things don’t happen. But as we have seen by watching the Anglo wars for dominance, it is deadly especially at this point in history.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 0:14 utc | 207

karlof1 | Sep 22 2023 23:12 utc | 100 “Is it rational to be ignorant, or is ignorance rational? Can Bliss really be attained by not knowing a great many things? Or can not knowing be deadly?”
On the first, I don’t think it is a question of rational or irrational, rather simply part of the pre-programmed character of the vast range of personal characters that make up humanity. Psyops is the study and weaponization of average human character.
I found a pdf copy of a CIA or special forces insurgency warfare training manual some years back. In any given target population, 80% are highly susceptible to propaganda. These are what I would call the group thinkers. Both modern marketing and western psyops are the same. Create group think trends. In marketing a nicnac or gadget or clothing fashion its about creating the illusion that many are using or doing this and that, especially the cool kids on the block. And so you have photogenic models to sell clothes and watches and so forth.
At the top of the chart was ten percent and at the bottom of the chart was the other ten percent. For the purposes of the US training manual on insurgency warfare, the non group thinkers at the top were anti US and not susceptible American psyops and they were the leadership to be overthrown. The ten percent at the bottom were the so called moderate rebels, freedom fighters or whatever other term is chosen for the corrupt and or ideological/religious extremists that operate as American proxies.
In Ukraine, the dedicated nazi’s are the extremists although the corruption in Ukraine was also a fertile ground for US/UK operations. But that middle 80% of the ordinary people in Ukraine have been the target of a massive psyops for the past eight years or more with all opposing voices being shut down in that time.
We see in Ukraine how easily that 80% of ordinary people can be led to their own destruction.
If we go back in history, humans are a social animal in general. Hunter gatherers always lived in groups so there is a natural need to fit in, to be part of the group. Size of the group only dependent upon food supplies.
An interesting thing in mustering sheep. A single sheep out on its own is difficult to control because it is thinking for itself. any number up to five is very difficult to control as they are thinking for themselves. Get the number up to twenty and group think begins to kick in. Ad more individuals and small mobs to get the mob size up to 100 and group think has kicked in completely and they are very easy to handle. Every sheep thinks the others know what they are doing. A large mob that starts to run are interesting to watch. Those that get to the lead suddenly wonder were the fuck are we supposed to be going and quickly drop back into the mob. There are some exceptions to this with occasionally some individual sheep taking the lead and the rest follow.
“Can Bliss really be attained by not knowing a great many things? Or can not knowing be deadly?”
My thought is both. In my sisters case she is also looking for a safe place where bad things don’t happen. But as we have seen by watching the Anglo wars for dominance, it is deadly especially at this point in history.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 0:14 utc | 208

Europe’s Atlantacists who asked for and ran this pointless war expect to be thanked for helping Ukraine to rebuild itself. The same war criminals , who prosecuted the carstrophes of Iraq , Libya and Syria , also thought they would be thanked for these catastrophic military interventions .
On the contrary, the French have been rewarded for loyalty to the US, by being kicked out of Niger; the Germans who ran the War against Syria have had their Russian gas obliterated. These dishonourable nen and women have taken their status and rewards in exchange for betraying their countries.
The greatest humiliation of this war is not on the suckers for Nazism who died in a lost cause, but on these wealthy warmongers, like BoJo and Cameron , who have prostitued themselves to the US empire.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2023 0:14 utc | 209

Europe’s Atlantacists who asked for and ran this pointless war expect to be thanked for helping Ukraine to rebuild itself. The same war criminals , who prosecuted the carstrophes of Iraq , Libya and Syria , also thought they would be thanked for these catastrophic military interventions .
On the contrary, the French have been rewarded for loyalty to the US, by being kicked out of Niger; the Germans who ran the War against Syria have had their Russian gas obliterated. These dishonourable nen and women have taken their status and rewards in exchange for betraying their countries.
The greatest humiliation of this war is not on the suckers for Nazism who died in a lost cause, but on these wealthy warmongers, like BoJo and Cameron , who have prostitued themselves to the US empire.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 23 2023 0:14 utc | 210

Another questionable piece, despite the commendable attention for human suffering and the lack of mention for the mandatory Billion Men Russian Reserves, Weapons Based on New Physical Principles (one has to guess that everything physical is new for certain people), Big Arrows, Incoming Tectonic Shifts and all the garbage that is fed to “highly respected”, regular consumers.
The article is still one-dimensional and apodictic, even at a time when doubts and complexity would be required more than ever.
But, at least, I guess we come to understand why German volleyball never progressed to a decent level…

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 23 2023 0:32 utc | 211

Another questionable piece, despite the commendable attention for human suffering and the lack of mention for the mandatory Billion Men Russian Reserves, Weapons Based on New Physical Principles (one has to guess that everything physical is new for certain people), Big Arrows, Incoming Tectonic Shifts and all the garbage that is fed to “highly respected”, regular consumers.
The article is still one-dimensional and apodictic, even at a time when doubts and complexity would be required more than ever.
But, at least, I guess we come to understand why German volleyball never progressed to a decent level…

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 23 2023 0:32 utc | 212

What ursula “goebbels“ von der lying did in that speech was intentional.
Anyone been in japan has already seen that odd “the soviets did the bombs“ from the younger generation.
Schoolbooks omitt the culprit, the usa, by name. The museums dont mention them either.
Its a slow generational falsification of history the usa is pushing on japan. And their lapdog government is obliging with due dilligence.
Same they did in ukraine. Same lithuania is doing in their schools and historybooks. Kalla kajas (or however that piece of human garbage is spelled) said it live on camera a few months ago in the munich conference.
The usa/nato is whitewashing themself out of everyrhing.
Nonstop propaganda does the rest.
Thats how you breed the next wave of agressive rabid dogs. “western values“.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 22 2023 23:56 utc | 104#
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EXCELLENT! The drinks are on me Mr Justpassinby…..

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 23 2023 0:34 utc | 213

What ursula “goebbels“ von der lying did in that speech was intentional.
Anyone been in japan has already seen that odd “the soviets did the bombs“ from the younger generation.
Schoolbooks omitt the culprit, the usa, by name. The museums dont mention them either.
Its a slow generational falsification of history the usa is pushing on japan. And their lapdog government is obliging with due dilligence.
Same they did in ukraine. Same lithuania is doing in their schools and historybooks. Kalla kajas (or however that piece of human garbage is spelled) said it live on camera a few months ago in the munich conference.
The usa/nato is whitewashing themself out of everyrhing.
Nonstop propaganda does the rest.
Thats how you breed the next wave of agressive rabid dogs. “western values“.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 22 2023 23:56 utc | 104#
_________________________________________
EXCELLENT! The drinks are on me Mr Justpassinby…..

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 23 2023 0:34 utc | 214

From Wikipedia:
According to the United Nations, Ukraine has a population of 36,744,636 as of 2023. This is a steep decline from 2020, when it had a population of almost 44 million people.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 23 2023 0:34 utc | 215

From Wikipedia:
According to the United Nations, Ukraine has a population of 36,744,636 as of 2023. This is a steep decline from 2020, when it had a population of almost 44 million people.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 23 2023 0:34 utc | 216

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 22 2023 18:36 utc | 17
Don, the U.S. Military has indeed gone woke, but 400k women in the Army? JHFC, it’s not THAT bad! You’re off by a factor of 4, old boy.

Posted by: Duke | Sep 23 2023 0:35 utc | 217

Posted by: Don Bacon | Sep 22 2023 18:36 utc | 17
Don, the U.S. Military has indeed gone woke, but 400k women in the Army? JHFC, it’s not THAT bad! You’re off by a factor of 4, old boy.

Posted by: Duke | Sep 23 2023 0:35 utc | 218

Why do we always have to get the straight talk from the Russians?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR4Hnlpw7vw

Posted by: T S | Sep 23 2023 0:35 utc | 219

Why do we always have to get the straight talk from the Russians?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR4Hnlpw7vw

Posted by: T S | Sep 23 2023 0:35 utc | 220

Some videos for today.
Russian forces destroyed more Leopard tanks near Kupyansk:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20230922_173124_438:9
Russian Iskander strike destroyed enemy weapons depot:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20230922_064324_890:7
Russian Grad launcher pounds enemy position near Krasny Liman:
https://rutube.ru/video/af8685f72ca020d0643377038c7d239c/
Russian Grad launcher pounds enemy position on the southern DPR front:
https://rutube.ru/video/2e01813ec6d97b65e81b70fbdaa059f7/
Russian T-90 tank strikes enemy armored vehicles:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/T902209:e

Posted by: Nate | Sep 23 2023 0:45 utc | 221

Some videos for today.
Russian forces destroyed more Leopard tanks near Kupyansk:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20230922_173124_438:9
Russian Iskander strike destroyed enemy weapons depot:
https://odysee.com/@YuBratNavas:f/VID_20230922_064324_890:7
Russian Grad launcher pounds enemy position near Krasny Liman:
https://rutube.ru/video/af8685f72ca020d0643377038c7d239c/
Russian Grad launcher pounds enemy position on the southern DPR front:
https://rutube.ru/video/2e01813ec6d97b65e81b70fbdaa059f7/
Russian T-90 tank strikes enemy armored vehicles:
https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/T902209:e

Posted by: Nate | Sep 23 2023 0:45 utc | 222

Belarus president Lukashenko claims west has given the go-ahead to “dump Zelensky” as he has become a nuisance.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 23 2023 0:50 utc | 223

Belarus president Lukashenko claims west has given the go-ahead to “dump Zelensky” as he has become a nuisance.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 23 2023 0:50 utc | 224

james | Sep 22 2023 23:34 utc | 102
My family are gone to me. They have all moved into the group think of the woke world and that is a place I am unwilling to enter and join. In raising my family, trying to understand my children’s individual characters and help prepare them for their steps out into the world as adults, psyops and the power of scientifically applied psyops that we see today was unknown to me as a younger man.
MH17 was a major red flag for me. It signaled that Australia was not longer the lucky country, that our government was willing to sacrifice ordinary Australians to further five-eyes ‘interests’. Since then there has been a massive American/five-eyes propaganda blitz promoting wokism and demonizing Russia and China.
Ukraine having been led to its destruction should be a wakeup call to all in the west but the magic of psyops blinds the average person as to who the true enemy is.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 0:56 utc | 225

james | Sep 22 2023 23:34 utc | 102
My family are gone to me. They have all moved into the group think of the woke world and that is a place I am unwilling to enter and join. In raising my family, trying to understand my children’s individual characters and help prepare them for their steps out into the world as adults, psyops and the power of scientifically applied psyops that we see today was unknown to me as a younger man.
MH17 was a major red flag for me. It signaled that Australia was not longer the lucky country, that our government was willing to sacrifice ordinary Australians to further five-eyes ‘interests’. Since then there has been a massive American/five-eyes propaganda blitz promoting wokism and demonizing Russia and China.
Ukraine having been led to its destruction should be a wakeup call to all in the west but the magic of psyops blinds the average person as to who the true enemy is.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 0:56 utc | 226


Anyone been in japan has already seen that odd “the soviets did the bombs“ from the younger generation.
Schoolbooks omitt the culprit, the usa, by name. The museums dont mention them either.

Posted by @Justpassinby #104
That is utterly and completely delirious falsification.
Cretins (and their sockpuppets) who post absurdities like this should be reminded that people exist on this forum who have visited
平和記念公園 in Hiroshima and its Nagasaki equivalent more than once and in very recent times.
School children are constantly seen at museums and are generally well informed… Much better than their Western counterparts, for sure..
Moreover regular NHK coverage is more than adequate on this matter (though it does fail on other subjects).

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 23 2023 0:59 utc | 227


Anyone been in japan has already seen that odd “the soviets did the bombs“ from the younger generation.
Schoolbooks omitt the culprit, the usa, by name. The museums dont mention them either.

Posted by @Justpassinby #104
That is utterly and completely delirious falsification.
Cretins (and their sockpuppets) who post absurdities like this should be reminded that people exist on this forum who have visited
平和記念公園 in Hiroshima and its Nagasaki equivalent more than once and in very recent times.
School children are constantly seen at museums and are generally well informed… Much better than their Western counterparts, for sure..
Moreover regular NHK coverage is more than adequate on this matter (though it does fail on other subjects).

Posted by: MoaMetal | Sep 23 2023 0:59 utc | 228

Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 0:14 utc | 105–
Thanks for your reply. Your psyop info tells me the ignorant are easily duped while those that question and perform due diligence aren’t likely to fall for the ruse. That info also informs me that those who are taught to question and discover from a very early age–4-5 years old–have a much better chance of avoiding the group think trap. (Russia’s education system is moving in that direction.)
IMO, a nation of free thinkers is far more likely to advance than one where the citizens are drones. We look at China and see great advancements yet many still think they’re constrained and not allowed to think for themselves. (The same was true of Russians during the Cold War, which was very wrong.) Upthread, I mentioned the question I got today that relates to the endpoint of what we’re discussing.
I recall the refrain “Feed your head” recorded much later as the way to avoid the pitfalls described by Lewis Caroll and two others: Knowledge is Power and Knowledge will set you free. All have been my mantras for so long I’ve forgotten why I inquire until reminded again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:00 utc | 229

Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 0:14 utc | 105–
Thanks for your reply. Your psyop info tells me the ignorant are easily duped while those that question and perform due diligence aren’t likely to fall for the ruse. That info also informs me that those who are taught to question and discover from a very early age–4-5 years old–have a much better chance of avoiding the group think trap. (Russia’s education system is moving in that direction.)
IMO, a nation of free thinkers is far more likely to advance than one where the citizens are drones. We look at China and see great advancements yet many still think they’re constrained and not allowed to think for themselves. (The same was true of Russians during the Cold War, which was very wrong.) Upthread, I mentioned the question I got today that relates to the endpoint of what we’re discussing.
I recall the refrain “Feed your head” recorded much later as the way to avoid the pitfalls described by Lewis Caroll and two others: Knowledge is Power and Knowledge will set you free. All have been my mantras for so long I’ve forgotten why I inquire until reminded again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:00 utc | 230

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 0:14 utc | 105 and Karlof1
“Can Bliss really be attained by not knowing a great many things? Or can not knowing be deadly?”
My thought is both.”
Of course one must come to agreement on the definition of “bliss” but assuming a philosophical perspective of Buddhist origin, bliss arises from many causes and it arises from both knowing things as they are and knowing everything — which leads to bliss. This entails, according to the buddhadharma teachings, first, morality, which lays a foundation for mental stability or virtuous mind, and that attainment enables a person to understand and realize non-ignorance which is sometimes termed wisdom awareness, bliss or supreme joy which is shared with others.
Much of mainstream culture, left right, up down, encourages emotional engagement, obstructing wisdom awareness which would otherwise vanquish ignorance and sorrow.
All the best to you PeterAU

Posted by: Suzan | Sep 23 2023 1:13 utc | 231

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 0:14 utc | 105 and Karlof1
“Can Bliss really be attained by not knowing a great many things? Or can not knowing be deadly?”
My thought is both.”
Of course one must come to agreement on the definition of “bliss” but assuming a philosophical perspective of Buddhist origin, bliss arises from many causes and it arises from both knowing things as they are and knowing everything — which leads to bliss. This entails, according to the buddhadharma teachings, first, morality, which lays a foundation for mental stability or virtuous mind, and that attainment enables a person to understand and realize non-ignorance which is sometimes termed wisdom awareness, bliss or supreme joy which is shared with others.
Much of mainstream culture, left right, up down, encourages emotional engagement, obstructing wisdom awareness which would otherwise vanquish ignorance and sorrow.
All the best to you PeterAU

Posted by: Suzan | Sep 23 2023 1:13 utc | 232

Excellent b,
Very interesting looking at it from a different point view. Apart from the tax payer money myth in the middle part. Which spoils the debate.
” Zolnovych says that it seems illogical for a veteran to earn a salary and pay tax which is later transferred back to him or her in some form of benefit. ”
Very illogical indeed as it doesn’t work like that. It works like this …
https://new-wayland.com/blog/mmt-money-story-print-edition/
The salary will be paid either by
a) money creatively thin air if it is paid by the government.
Or
b) money created from thin air ( previous government deficit spending) now held as profits or bank lending if the salary is paid by the private sector.
Once they spend their salary it is taxed out of existence ( shredded) as their spending is someone else’s income and vice versa.
Money collected as taxes is shredded taken out of the whole system. Never to be seen again and certainly not spent back into the economy as benifits.
Zolnovych clearly doesn’t understand how it works. Zolnovych needs to buy and read a copy of the deficit myth by Stephanie Kelton.
Wherever they receive the salary it will be taxed and wherever it is spent it will be taxed as income. This flows right down the spending chains until the whole salary is taxed out of existence.
Even if some of the salary is saved eventually it will be spent and be taxed out of existence shredded. Why Tax Matches Spending eventually
https://new-wayland.com/blog/why-tax-matches-spending/
Of course what is saved makes up the budget deficit. If the savings are held as bonds makes up the national debt.
https://new-wayland.com/blog/bonds-pay-for-themselves/
The constraints on Ukraine are its skills and real resources and productive capacity of the economy. All the people who would otherwise be involved in production are away fighting the Russians, and anybody else is outside the reach of the Ukrainian taxation authority. Hryvinia isn’t worth anything much outside Ukraine.
As you can see, government spending automatically stops when it runs out of things to buy with its currency at a price worth paying.
In summary, printing money is only helpful if there is something available to buy with it. Skills and real resources. How many skills are now dead or wounded and as their productive capacity p!ummeted.
In 1945 the Australians produced a white paper on how they would solve many issues as Australians returned to Australia after WW2 and who now needed work now that the war was over. It can be found here
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=45069
Many other countries faced the same problems. It is a fantastic read and not a long read. That’s the huge problem Ukraine will face on a much, much, much bigger scale.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 23 2023 1:14 utc | 233

Excellent b,
Very interesting looking at it from a different point view. Apart from the tax payer money myth in the middle part. Which spoils the debate.
” Zolnovych says that it seems illogical for a veteran to earn a salary and pay tax which is later transferred back to him or her in some form of benefit. ”
Very illogical indeed as it doesn’t work like that. It works like this …
https://new-wayland.com/blog/mmt-money-story-print-edition/
The salary will be paid either by
a) money creatively thin air if it is paid by the government.
Or
b) money created from thin air ( previous government deficit spending) now held as profits or bank lending if the salary is paid by the private sector.
Once they spend their salary it is taxed out of existence ( shredded) as their spending is someone else’s income and vice versa.
Money collected as taxes is shredded taken out of the whole system. Never to be seen again and certainly not spent back into the economy as benifits.
Zolnovych clearly doesn’t understand how it works. Zolnovych needs to buy and read a copy of the deficit myth by Stephanie Kelton.
Wherever they receive the salary it will be taxed and wherever it is spent it will be taxed as income. This flows right down the spending chains until the whole salary is taxed out of existence.
Even if some of the salary is saved eventually it will be spent and be taxed out of existence shredded. Why Tax Matches Spending eventually
https://new-wayland.com/blog/why-tax-matches-spending/
Of course what is saved makes up the budget deficit. If the savings are held as bonds makes up the national debt.
https://new-wayland.com/blog/bonds-pay-for-themselves/
The constraints on Ukraine are its skills and real resources and productive capacity of the economy. All the people who would otherwise be involved in production are away fighting the Russians, and anybody else is outside the reach of the Ukrainian taxation authority. Hryvinia isn’t worth anything much outside Ukraine.
As you can see, government spending automatically stops when it runs out of things to buy with its currency at a price worth paying.
In summary, printing money is only helpful if there is something available to buy with it. Skills and real resources. How many skills are now dead or wounded and as their productive capacity p!ummeted.
In 1945 the Australians produced a white paper on how they would solve many issues as Australians returned to Australia after WW2 and who now needed work now that the war was over. It can be found here
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=45069
Many other countries faced the same problems. It is a fantastic read and not a long read. That’s the huge problem Ukraine will face on a much, much, much bigger scale.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 23 2023 1:14 utc | 234

hat ursula “goebbels“ von der lying did in that speech was intentional.
Anyone been in japan has already seen that odd “the soviets did the bombs“ from the younger generation.
Schoolbooks omitt the culprit, the usa, by name. The museums dont mention them either.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 22 2023 23:56 utc | 104#
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EXCELLENT! The drinks are on me Mr Justpassinby…..
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 23 2023 0:34 utc | 108
Sometimes it’s just what the tech guys tell them to say, the algorithm says “fails” and “controversy” are how you get the clicks.
That being said the Russians rushed to upload it’s WW2 archives a couple years back and the news called them liars

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 23 2023 1:17 utc | 235

hat ursula “goebbels“ von der lying did in that speech was intentional.
Anyone been in japan has already seen that odd “the soviets did the bombs“ from the younger generation.
Schoolbooks omitt the culprit, the usa, by name. The museums dont mention them either.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 22 2023 23:56 utc | 104#
_________________________________________
EXCELLENT! The drinks are on me Mr Justpassinby…..
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 23 2023 0:34 utc | 108
Sometimes it’s just what the tech guys tell them to say, the algorithm says “fails” and “controversy” are how you get the clicks.
That being said the Russians rushed to upload it’s WW2 archives a couple years back and the news called them liars

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 23 2023 1:17 utc | 236

What an excellent piece! So Zelensky came to Canada and addressed the Canadian parliament where there is not a single politician in any party left or right that opposes Canada’s continuing outsized participation and support for this dangerous folly.
A couple of items on the corrupt clown’s visit:
As It Happened: Zelenskyy Visits Canada, Addresses Parliament as PM Pledges $650 Million in Ukraine Aid
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/as-it-happened-zelenskyy-visits-canada-addresses-parliament-as-pm-pledges-650m-in-ukraine-aid-1.6572802
“During the visit, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Canada will be making a $650 million ‘multi-year commitment that provides predictable, steady support to Ukraine,’…”
CPAC Recaps Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to Ottawa and address to Parliament in the House of Commons Chamber…
https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=f9809cea-1e07-47cd-a94d-2ddd3e1351db

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 23 2023 1:23 utc | 237

What an excellent piece! So Zelensky came to Canada and addressed the Canadian parliament where there is not a single politician in any party left or right that opposes Canada’s continuing outsized participation and support for this dangerous folly.
A couple of items on the corrupt clown’s visit:
As It Happened: Zelenskyy Visits Canada, Addresses Parliament as PM Pledges $650 Million in Ukraine Aid
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/as-it-happened-zelenskyy-visits-canada-addresses-parliament-as-pm-pledges-650m-in-ukraine-aid-1.6572802
“During the visit, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Canada will be making a $650 million ‘multi-year commitment that provides predictable, steady support to Ukraine,’…”
CPAC Recaps Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to Ottawa and address to Parliament in the House of Commons Chamber…
https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=f9809cea-1e07-47cd-a94d-2ddd3e1351db

Posted by: John Gilberts | Sep 23 2023 1:23 utc | 238

karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:00 utc | 116
Quality education on critical thinking/free thinking would be unthinkable to the ruling western elite. It can only occur under a socialist system. My youngest daughter once had a one hour or half hour class on critical thinking after which she said wow dad, you use critical thinking. In my case it is not something I was taught, rather I was the annoying kid that always said why? That combined with a lifetime enrolled in the the school of hard knocks.
james original short comment is leading me too far off topic for this thread of b’s so will leave it at that and try to write more at some point in an open thread.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 1:36 utc | 239

karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:00 utc | 116
Quality education on critical thinking/free thinking would be unthinkable to the ruling western elite. It can only occur under a socialist system. My youngest daughter once had a one hour or half hour class on critical thinking after which she said wow dad, you use critical thinking. In my case it is not something I was taught, rather I was the annoying kid that always said why? That combined with a lifetime enrolled in the the school of hard knocks.
james original short comment is leading me too far off topic for this thread of b’s so will leave it at that and try to write more at some point in an open thread.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 1:36 utc | 240

Today’s SCF editorial dishes out the most recent dirt over the Ukraine Ag spat, “So Much For European Solidarity… Poland’s Bickering With Kiev Regime Threatens to Unravel NATO’s Proxy War Facade”:

The European economies are buckling from the huge costs of the war, including the crippling loss of affordable Russian energy sources and the vast military expenditures that are diverting from the civilian economy and the public good, as well as the strain from the influx of millions of Ukrainian refugees. The genuine needs of the latter are highly questionable, as many EU citizens see their own needs being relegated to accommodate Ukrainians deemed to be exploiting “welfare tourism”.
And the people of Europe are paying the heavy price of economic and social hardship. Not least of all from the war’s disruption of Black Sea shipping of agriculture exports. Ukraine’s prodigious exports of wheat, corn, sunflower seeds and other grains have inundated the markets of the EU with the effect of plunging produce prices for European farmers.
Initially, the European Commission bosses permitted the inflow of Ukrainian agro-exports as “an act of solidarity” with the Kiev regime. But farming communities in the eastern EU countries have seen their livelihoods decimated by the bureaucrats in Brussels who know no bounds in the lengths they will go to indulge Washington’s proxy war.
Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia have seen their agricultural industries swamped with cheaper Ukrainian commodities which has, in turn, wreaked havoc on millions of farming families.
A temporary EU-wide ban was imposed on Ukrainian exports to alleviate the economic repercussions. As usual, the chiseling Kiev regime has continually carped about the ban and even threatened to take the EU to arbitration in the World Trade Organization.
The brazenness of the Kiev cartel was on maximum display this week when Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky addressed the United Nations in New York and mocked his European benefactors for “setting the stage” to help Russia by not permitting more Ukrainian agro-exports into their markets.
That was too much for the Poles. The next day, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced the halting of weapons to Ukraine.

Welfare tourism is a phrase Reagan would have greatly enjoyed. The Polish election will be rather interesting IMO.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:46 utc | 241

Today’s SCF editorial dishes out the most recent dirt over the Ukraine Ag spat, “So Much For European Solidarity… Poland’s Bickering With Kiev Regime Threatens to Unravel NATO’s Proxy War Facade”:

The European economies are buckling from the huge costs of the war, including the crippling loss of affordable Russian energy sources and the vast military expenditures that are diverting from the civilian economy and the public good, as well as the strain from the influx of millions of Ukrainian refugees. The genuine needs of the latter are highly questionable, as many EU citizens see their own needs being relegated to accommodate Ukrainians deemed to be exploiting “welfare tourism”.
And the people of Europe are paying the heavy price of economic and social hardship. Not least of all from the war’s disruption of Black Sea shipping of agriculture exports. Ukraine’s prodigious exports of wheat, corn, sunflower seeds and other grains have inundated the markets of the EU with the effect of plunging produce prices for European farmers.
Initially, the European Commission bosses permitted the inflow of Ukrainian agro-exports as “an act of solidarity” with the Kiev regime. But farming communities in the eastern EU countries have seen their livelihoods decimated by the bureaucrats in Brussels who know no bounds in the lengths they will go to indulge Washington’s proxy war.
Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia have seen their agricultural industries swamped with cheaper Ukrainian commodities which has, in turn, wreaked havoc on millions of farming families.
A temporary EU-wide ban was imposed on Ukrainian exports to alleviate the economic repercussions. As usual, the chiseling Kiev regime has continually carped about the ban and even threatened to take the EU to arbitration in the World Trade Organization.
The brazenness of the Kiev cartel was on maximum display this week when Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky addressed the United Nations in New York and mocked his European benefactors for “setting the stage” to help Russia by not permitting more Ukrainian agro-exports into their markets.
That was too much for the Poles. The next day, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced the halting of weapons to Ukraine.

Welfare tourism is a phrase Reagan would have greatly enjoyed. The Polish election will be rather interesting IMO.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:46 utc | 242

When i saw the body armour being showcased for pregnant women i thought not only is that the end but the level of evilness to even think its ok

Posted by: hankster | Sep 23 2023 1:56 utc | 243

When i saw the body armour being showcased for pregnant women i thought not only is that the end but the level of evilness to even think its ok

Posted by: hankster | Sep 23 2023 1:56 utc | 244

Suzan | Sep 23 2023 1:13 utc | 117–
Thanks much for your addition. “Wisdom awareness” IMO is a universal goal within Asian martial art systems, which is where I learned it.
Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 1:36 utc | 121–
Thanks for your reply. IMO, Ukrainian ignorance and allowing yourself to submit to a long series of lies that began in 1991, recurred in 2004-5, and then lost your country in 2014 reveal docility in being too timid to ask why. Discover, explore, ask questions are the components of early child education, but using TV as babysitter and phone as toy plus video games has dulled and negated much of that. Now that white collar workers are being targeted for conscription, there’s a massive exodus of those targeted when they should’ve left long ago. Amazing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:58 utc | 245

Suzan | Sep 23 2023 1:13 utc | 117–
Thanks much for your addition. “Wisdom awareness” IMO is a universal goal within Asian martial art systems, which is where I learned it.
Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 1:36 utc | 121–
Thanks for your reply. IMO, Ukrainian ignorance and allowing yourself to submit to a long series of lies that began in 1991, recurred in 2004-5, and then lost your country in 2014 reveal docility in being too timid to ask why. Discover, explore, ask questions are the components of early child education, but using TV as babysitter and phone as toy plus video games has dulled and negated much of that. Now that white collar workers are being targeted for conscription, there’s a massive exodus of those targeted when they should’ve left long ago. Amazing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:58 utc | 246

Again, warnings of the likelihood of failure in the sanctions war had been given by Fed officials who, it was reported, were advising strongly against the sanctions war even before it was engaged in.
Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:13 utc | 7
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I am sure there was disagreement, but from inside the government?
I don’t remember. I do know from personal experience that there were, maybe likely still are, quite a few serious senior brains inside Treasury.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 23 2023 1:58 utc | 247

Again, warnings of the likelihood of failure in the sanctions war had been given by Fed officials who, it was reported, were advising strongly against the sanctions war even before it was engaged in.
Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:13 utc | 7
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I am sure there was disagreement, but from inside the government?
I don’t remember. I do know from personal experience that there were, maybe likely still are, quite a few serious senior brains inside Treasury.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 23 2023 1:58 utc | 248

#100 karlof1
True friends/citizens willing to help, willing to sacrifice selfs materialism and career for humankind, without asking for a single dime. When you are able to physically see change, humanity move in a better direction that you helped create, is the most precious payment mankind can provide. It’s this rarity of true democracy that America lacks in all of us. Unfortunately getting to this stage of life takes a lifetime of sacrifice, but end up meeting people like you and other friends along the way. https://youtube.com/watch?v=L1cpZj9RKwc Some are forced to change their names just to eat, but that only makes us stronger. Enjoy the track, moa special

Posted by: lynx | Sep 23 2023 2:01 utc | 249

#100 karlof1
True friends/citizens willing to help, willing to sacrifice selfs materialism and career for humankind, without asking for a single dime. When you are able to physically see change, humanity move in a better direction that you helped create, is the most precious payment mankind can provide. It’s this rarity of true democracy that America lacks in all of us. Unfortunately getting to this stage of life takes a lifetime of sacrifice, but end up meeting people like you and other friends along the way. https://youtube.com/watch?v=L1cpZj9RKwc Some are forced to change their names just to eat, but that only makes us stronger. Enjoy the track, moa special

Posted by: lynx | Sep 23 2023 2:01 utc | 250

Suzan | Sep 23 2023 1:13 utc | 117 “Of course one must come to agreement on the definition of “bliss” but assuming a philosophical perspective of Buddhist origin, bliss arises from many causes and it arises from both knowing things as they are and knowing everything — which leads to bliss.”
A very interesting comment that I would like to reply to but it leads me too far off topic. As we watch the Ukrainians marching to their destruction, like lambs walking up the ramp and into the slaughterhouse, I feel there is a great need to analyse average human character and the effects of western pysops targeting that average 80%, just as colour revolutions were analysed and countered.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 2:03 utc | 251

Suzan | Sep 23 2023 1:13 utc | 117 “Of course one must come to agreement on the definition of “bliss” but assuming a philosophical perspective of Buddhist origin, bliss arises from many causes and it arises from both knowing things as they are and knowing everything — which leads to bliss.”
A very interesting comment that I would like to reply to but it leads me too far off topic. As we watch the Ukrainians marching to their destruction, like lambs walking up the ramp and into the slaughterhouse, I feel there is a great need to analyse average human character and the effects of western pysops targeting that average 80%, just as colour revolutions were analysed and countered.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 2:03 utc | 252

@ karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:00 utc | 116
“Your psyop info tells me the ignorant are easily duped while those that question and perform due diligence aren’t likely to fall for the ruse. That info also informs me that those who are taught to question and discover from a very early age–4-5 years old–have a much better chance of avoiding the group think trap. (Russia’s education system is moving in that direction.) IMO, a nation of free thinkers is far more likely to advance than one where the citizens are drones.”
Ok, agreed.
“We look at China and see great advancements yet many still think they’re constrained and not allowed to think for themselves.”
Western China had material advancements, at the cost of total loss of personal freedom of thought. Amazing how blind you are to the CPCs rule. Normal Chinese are not happy at all at present, but stuck like flies in THE party’s web – Xi Jinping’s thoughts.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 23 2023 2:06 utc | 253

@ karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 1:00 utc | 116
“Your psyop info tells me the ignorant are easily duped while those that question and perform due diligence aren’t likely to fall for the ruse. That info also informs me that those who are taught to question and discover from a very early age–4-5 years old–have a much better chance of avoiding the group think trap. (Russia’s education system is moving in that direction.) IMO, a nation of free thinkers is far more likely to advance than one where the citizens are drones.”
Ok, agreed.
“We look at China and see great advancements yet many still think they’re constrained and not allowed to think for themselves.”
Western China had material advancements, at the cost of total loss of personal freedom of thought. Amazing how blind you are to the CPCs rule. Normal Chinese are not happy at all at present, but stuck like flies in THE party’s web – Xi Jinping’s thoughts.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 23 2023 2:06 utc | 254

Antonym | Sep 23 2023 2:06 utc | 128
You are exactly the sort of person this conversation has been about, either wittingly or unwittingly. Communism is a direct threat to the cast/class system of India hence the hatred of India’s higher classes/casts towards China. If the Indian lower class peasantry get a wiff of meritocracy the elite ruling class will be overthrown.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 2:14 utc | 255

Antonym | Sep 23 2023 2:06 utc | 128
You are exactly the sort of person this conversation has been about, either wittingly or unwittingly. Communism is a direct threat to the cast/class system of India hence the hatred of India’s higher classes/casts towards China. If the Indian lower class peasantry get a wiff of meritocracy the elite ruling class will be overthrown.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 2:14 utc | 256

Good to read the OT conversation including Peter AU1
The question that comes to my mind when I read about all the population stats of Ukraine is that they are not broken out to exclude the oblasts under Russia control. What % of the population is/was that?
I am not trying to make light of the number of deaths which is a sad comment on our species but believe that there are areas of old Ukraine where all citizens are not being forcibly conscripted into the Russia meat grinder.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 23 2023 2:14 utc | 257

Good to read the OT conversation including Peter AU1
The question that comes to my mind when I read about all the population stats of Ukraine is that they are not broken out to exclude the oblasts under Russia control. What % of the population is/was that?
I am not trying to make light of the number of deaths which is a sad comment on our species but believe that there are areas of old Ukraine where all citizens are not being forcibly conscripted into the Russia meat grinder.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 23 2023 2:14 utc | 258

Re: Posted by: Simon | Sep 22 2023 18:02 utc | 2

I think the war will not continue for much longer. The USA is prodding Zelenskyy to start to negotiate, and I think the increased and frankly embarrassing strikes on the Black Sea fleet are a message to Russia to keep its negotiation demands reasonable. Either a frozen conflict at the line of control, or perhaps an agreement similar to what was almost hammered out near the beginning of the war in Istanbul (and which almost all pro-Russians would consider nearly a capituation). Putin and the Russian government regularly go on about how close they were to a deal and what a shame it is that it fell through. I think a similar deal is in the offing soon, with the stick of relentless strikes on the hapless Black Sea fleet (it really does seem particularly incompetent) and Russia’s general inability to deal with large missile/Himars strikes mixed with drones, as well as the carrot of resuming exports to Europe, vacations there, iPhones, Hollywood movies and European cars purchased in peace

If the Russians take either of these “deals” it is a complete Russian capitulation. It will achieve very little and guarantee further conflict in the future.
Have you learnt NOTHING from Minsk I or Minsk II or the last 30/100 years? It appears so.
It would be incredibly stupid to take either of these deals.
Just go and WIN the darn war.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 23 2023 2:19 utc | 259

Re: Posted by: Simon | Sep 22 2023 18:02 utc | 2

I think the war will not continue for much longer. The USA is prodding Zelenskyy to start to negotiate, and I think the increased and frankly embarrassing strikes on the Black Sea fleet are a message to Russia to keep its negotiation demands reasonable. Either a frozen conflict at the line of control, or perhaps an agreement similar to what was almost hammered out near the beginning of the war in Istanbul (and which almost all pro-Russians would consider nearly a capituation). Putin and the Russian government regularly go on about how close they were to a deal and what a shame it is that it fell through. I think a similar deal is in the offing soon, with the stick of relentless strikes on the hapless Black Sea fleet (it really does seem particularly incompetent) and Russia’s general inability to deal with large missile/Himars strikes mixed with drones, as well as the carrot of resuming exports to Europe, vacations there, iPhones, Hollywood movies and European cars purchased in peace

If the Russians take either of these “deals” it is a complete Russian capitulation. It will achieve very little and guarantee further conflict in the future.
Have you learnt NOTHING from Minsk I or Minsk II or the last 30/100 years? It appears so.
It would be incredibly stupid to take either of these deals.
Just go and WIN the darn war.

Posted by: Julian | Sep 23 2023 2:19 utc | 260

@peter au1.
“Ukrainians marching to their destruction, like lambs walking up the ramp and into the slaughterhouse, I feel there is a great need to analyse average human character and the effects of western pysops targeting that average 80%, just as colour revolutions were analysed and countered.”
Look at who benefits. Not too difficult to see who is being exploited. Clear seeing is contrary to the omnipresent narrative so difficult to promulgate whilst dominators prevail. Nevertheless, reality asserts itself, impregnable. Belonging, not belonging, this is the thing. May people coalescence around their core interests… without being influenced by greater interests. This requires clear seeing uninfluenced by monster minds.

Posted by: Suzan | Sep 23 2023 2:34 utc | 261

@peter au1.
“Ukrainians marching to their destruction, like lambs walking up the ramp and into the slaughterhouse, I feel there is a great need to analyse average human character and the effects of western pysops targeting that average 80%, just as colour revolutions were analysed and countered.”
Look at who benefits. Not too difficult to see who is being exploited. Clear seeing is contrary to the omnipresent narrative so difficult to promulgate whilst dominators prevail. Nevertheless, reality asserts itself, impregnable. Belonging, not belonging, this is the thing. May people coalescence around their core interests… without being influenced by greater interests. This requires clear seeing uninfluenced by monster minds.

Posted by: Suzan | Sep 23 2023 2:34 utc | 262

@peter au1.
“Ukrainians marching to their destruction, like lambs walking up the ramp and into the slaughterhouse, I feel there is a great need to analyse average human character and the effects of western pysops targeting that average 80%, just as colour revolutions were analysed and countered.”
Look at who benefits. Not too difficult to see who is being exploited. Clear seeing is contrary to the omnipresent narrative so difficult to promulgate whilst dominators prevail. Nevertheless, reality asserts itself, impregnable. Belonging, not belonging, this is the thing. May people coalescence around their core interests… without being influenced by greater interests. This requires clear seeing uninfluenced by monster minds.

Posted by: Suzan | Sep 23 2023 2:34 utc | 263

@peter au1.
“Ukrainians marching to their destruction, like lambs walking up the ramp and into the slaughterhouse, I feel there is a great need to analyse average human character and the effects of western pysops targeting that average 80%, just as colour revolutions were analysed and countered.”
Look at who benefits. Not too difficult to see who is being exploited. Clear seeing is contrary to the omnipresent narrative so difficult to promulgate whilst dominators prevail. Nevertheless, reality asserts itself, impregnable. Belonging, not belonging, this is the thing. May people coalescence around their core interests… without being influenced by greater interests. This requires clear seeing uninfluenced by monster minds.

Posted by: Suzan | Sep 23 2023 2:34 utc | 264

Today, RF-MIL/Gov (SMO) has not yet get in a ‘good position’ to rely on any of issues acc.to new negotiations with the US.
The US only wants the “endless war” for “its” (not the folk’s) purposes – not any ceasefires RF/UKR – that’s all to know about the Nuland/Hillary Fan Club and Blackrock shared NGOs, and all v.d.Liars, BS-Bocks within Europe Govs.
Negotiations based on the current UKR-state Piano-Cock-Player having announced (RF must give Crimea back ultimately) is out of acceptance of any of ROW.
What crazy approach towards international hearings (UN) might a man be supported like the Piano-Cock-Player Mr. Z – without any immediate shot down and killed by an engaged sniper, asap.?
Best wished to the Nuland/Hillary Fan Club in Europe.
You’ll be next to be targeted furthermore after have cutting your left leg due to your “Sanctions”.
– be sure – even Ms. BS-Bock + Scholz vasalls.

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 23 2023 2:36 utc | 265

Today, RF-MIL/Gov (SMO) has not yet get in a ‘good position’ to rely on any of issues acc.to new negotiations with the US.
The US only wants the “endless war” for “its” (not the folk’s) purposes – not any ceasefires RF/UKR – that’s all to know about the Nuland/Hillary Fan Club and Blackrock shared NGOs, and all v.d.Liars, BS-Bocks within Europe Govs.
Negotiations based on the current UKR-state Piano-Cock-Player having announced (RF must give Crimea back ultimately) is out of acceptance of any of ROW.
What crazy approach towards international hearings (UN) might a man be supported like the Piano-Cock-Player Mr. Z – without any immediate shot down and killed by an engaged sniper, asap.?
Best wished to the Nuland/Hillary Fan Club in Europe.
You’ll be next to be targeted furthermore after have cutting your left leg due to your “Sanctions”.
– be sure – even Ms. BS-Bock + Scholz vasalls.

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 23 2023 2:36 utc | 266

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 2:14 utc | 129
“You are exactly the sort of person this conversation has been about, either wittingly or unwittingly. Communism is a direct threat to the cast/class system of India hence the hatred of India’s higher classes/casts towards China.”
Look in the mirror resurrected Peter. Present humanity is not capable of real communism in any country on Earth simply because their consciousness is stuck in higher Ape regions. Evolution will come up with a next species – classless beings who are 100% social.
FYI, India has overcome the (British enforced – divide and concur) caste system today as much as Australia ceased to be a prison colony.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 23 2023 2:40 utc | 267

@ Peter AU1 | Sep 23 2023 2:14 utc | 129
“You are exactly the sort of person this conversation has been about, either wittingly or unwittingly. Communism is a direct threat to the cast/class system of India hence the hatred of India’s higher classes/casts towards China.”
Look in the mirror resurrected Peter. Present humanity is not capable of real communism in any country on Earth simply because their consciousness is stuck in higher Ape regions. Evolution will come up with a next species – classless beings who are 100% social.
FYI, India has overcome the (British enforced – divide and concur) caste system today as much as Australia ceased to be a prison colony.

Posted by: Antonym | Sep 23 2023 2:40 utc | 268

The blog stutters a bit? I did not post twice afaik
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Posted by: Suzan | Sep 23 2023 2:41 utc | 269

The blog stutters a bit? I did not post twice afaik
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Posted by: Suzan | Sep 23 2023 2:41 utc | 270

lynx | Sep 23 2023 2:01 utc | 126–
Thanks for your reply. There’s a topic here for a Sunday Sermon within your words and those of the video you linked that melds with my current draft.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 2:43 utc | 271

lynx | Sep 23 2023 2:01 utc | 126–
Thanks for your reply. There’s a topic here for a Sunday Sermon within your words and those of the video you linked that melds with my current draft.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 2:43 utc | 272

@Soothsayer
Those numbers are for war casualties since WW2 times. No information is available on war pensions only related to Ukraine war.
USA has a higher number of people getting war pensions. That includes world wars, Korean war, Vietnam war, Afghanistan, etc. Not all relates to Afghanistan war.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 23 2023 2:59 utc | 273

@Soothsayer
Those numbers are for war casualties since WW2 times. No information is available on war pensions only related to Ukraine war.
USA has a higher number of people getting war pensions. That includes world wars, Korean war, Vietnam war, Afghanistan, etc. Not all relates to Afghanistan war.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 23 2023 2:59 utc | 274

Ukraine plans to storm Crimea region by land and sea with NATO equipment.
If Russia plans well, it’s going to be salmon harvesting time! If not it will be a turning point in the war.
Ukraine’s northern defenses have thinned out as most troops are active in the south. A new push to northern cities should be considered. This will not only ease pressure on the southern front but also a logistics nightmare for Ukraine. Best done in winter. Bogged down Ukie troops can be laid to waste.
Russia should field long distance and long endurance drones to watch over few functioning Ukie airports. Real time information is needed to destroy its remaining SU24 and Mi24 craft. Also F16 craft when they come. Ukies must have large stocks of NATO missiles stored close by and standby pilots.
Ukie boat movements have come to a standstill for now. Sea mines are useful to harvest them if they start to feel adventurous again.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 23 2023 3:16 utc | 275

Ukraine plans to storm Crimea region by land and sea with NATO equipment.
If Russia plans well, it’s going to be salmon harvesting time! If not it will be a turning point in the war.
Ukraine’s northern defenses have thinned out as most troops are active in the south. A new push to northern cities should be considered. This will not only ease pressure on the southern front but also a logistics nightmare for Ukraine. Best done in winter. Bogged down Ukie troops can be laid to waste.
Russia should field long distance and long endurance drones to watch over few functioning Ukie airports. Real time information is needed to destroy its remaining SU24 and Mi24 craft. Also F16 craft when they come. Ukies must have large stocks of NATO missiles stored close by and standby pilots.
Ukie boat movements have come to a standstill for now. Sea mines are useful to harvest them if they start to feel adventurous again.

Posted by: Jason | Sep 23 2023 3:16 utc | 276

I’m convince Russia has been losing the war, what with the constant attacks on empty building, disabled ships etc.
I fear NATO is going to steal defeat from the jaws of victory by farting about and losing men and material pussy footing about in minefields instead of pushing the Russians out of Crimea already. C’mon, the Russian are already surrendering in droves, WT actual F dudes and dudettes? And where tf is NATO? These mofos had just 1 job, stop Russia!!!
But for real comedy gold, here’s Liver Sausage’s address to the UN, just like Soothsayer, rk @ this bar
https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1704836751368376390?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1704836751368376390%7Ctwgr%5E7220ecfa420a7ded28888c8cc1655c797e69ec3f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalsouth.co%2F2023%2F09%2F21%2Fdaily-chronicles-88%2F

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 23 2023 3:18 utc | 277

I’m convince Russia has been losing the war, what with the constant attacks on empty building, disabled ships etc.
I fear NATO is going to steal defeat from the jaws of victory by farting about and losing men and material pussy footing about in minefields instead of pushing the Russians out of Crimea already. C’mon, the Russian are already surrendering in droves, WT actual F dudes and dudettes? And where tf is NATO? These mofos had just 1 job, stop Russia!!!
But for real comedy gold, here’s Liver Sausage’s address to the UN, just like Soothsayer, rk @ this bar
https://twitter.com/thesiriusreport/status/1704836751368376390?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1704836751368376390%7Ctwgr%5E7220ecfa420a7ded28888c8cc1655c797e69ec3f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fglobalsouth.co%2F2023%2F09%2F21%2Fdaily-chronicles-88%2F

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 23 2023 3:18 utc | 278

Russia has spent $25.6 billion [dollars or rubles] on compensation to families of deceased soldiers and $21 billion [dollars or rubles] on compensation to the wounded. Putin has previously signed a decree earlier in the year ordering the payout of $68,800 [dollars or rubles]to the families of deceased and $41,300 [dollars or rubles] to soldiers that are wounded. Using this we can get a glance at potential Russian casualties assuming zero corruption and money laundering.
According to the expenditures by the Russian Government they have conducted payouts to the next of kin for 372,093 soldiers killed in action. [wrong].
According to expenditures by the Russian government, they have conducted payouts to 508,474 soldiers wounded in action. [wrong].
According to Russian expenditures, Russian casualties in the past 18 months are as follows.
KIA: 372,093 [based on what?]
WIA: 508,474 [based on what?]
Total Casualties: 880,567 [based on what?]
The depletion of the Russian-speaking population of the world continues swimmingly.
Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
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Soothsayer, you lie when the truth fits better. You call b a liar, but you offer little but empty numbers based on US dollars and empty claims based on US dollars. All of which tells me that your information is coming from some lying US propaganda that doesn’t know shit from shine olé. Soothsayer, you are a pathetic piece of wasted humanity.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 23 2023 3:23 utc | 279

Russia has spent $25.6 billion [dollars or rubles] on compensation to families of deceased soldiers and $21 billion [dollars or rubles] on compensation to the wounded. Putin has previously signed a decree earlier in the year ordering the payout of $68,800 [dollars or rubles]to the families of deceased and $41,300 [dollars or rubles] to soldiers that are wounded. Using this we can get a glance at potential Russian casualties assuming zero corruption and money laundering.
According to the expenditures by the Russian Government they have conducted payouts to the next of kin for 372,093 soldiers killed in action. [wrong].
According to expenditures by the Russian government, they have conducted payouts to 508,474 soldiers wounded in action. [wrong].
According to Russian expenditures, Russian casualties in the past 18 months are as follows.
KIA: 372,093 [based on what?]
WIA: 508,474 [based on what?]
Total Casualties: 880,567 [based on what?]
The depletion of the Russian-speaking population of the world continues swimmingly.
Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
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Soothsayer, you lie when the truth fits better. You call b a liar, but you offer little but empty numbers based on US dollars and empty claims based on US dollars. All of which tells me that your information is coming from some lying US propaganda that doesn’t know shit from shine olé. Soothsayer, you are a pathetic piece of wasted humanity.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 23 2023 3:23 utc | 280

Antonym, karlof, PeterAU – your discussion about education, socialism, China, India, meritocracy, etc. is very thought provoking, and deserves in my opinion to be re-introduced in the open thread.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 23 2023 3:25 utc | 281

Antonym, karlof, PeterAU – your discussion about education, socialism, China, India, meritocracy, etc. is very thought provoking, and deserves in my opinion to be re-introduced in the open thread.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 23 2023 3:25 utc | 282

The much-anticipated western revisionist talking points were given a trial run today in a Canadian newspaper. After blaming the faltering counteroffensive on “Western allies’ reluctance to provide much-needed weapons earlier in the war”, the author claimed:
– “should Ukraine fall, it’s almost certain that war will engulf eastern Europe. Russia has repeatedly signalled its intent to reabsorb the Baltic states, Moldova and possibly Poland, too.”
– Therefore, abandoning Ukraine and permitting territorial concessions would “in all likelihood cause countless deaths, global economic havoc and possibly global nuclear war…so it’s better for everyone if we stop Russia now, before things get out of hand.”
– “Russia is a global adversary that wants to undermine American interests, and is partnering with China to do so. By supporting Ukraine, the U.S. has already been able to destroy half of Russia’s combat capability.”
– Also, “thanks to Kyiv, Moscow’s capacity to project force into the Arctic has already been hampered for a decade or so.”
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/adam-zivo-zelenskyy-visit-a-reminder-that-backing-ukraine-makes-canada-strong

Posted by: jayc | Sep 23 2023 3:26 utc | 283

The much-anticipated western revisionist talking points were given a trial run today in a Canadian newspaper. After blaming the faltering counteroffensive on “Western allies’ reluctance to provide much-needed weapons earlier in the war”, the author claimed:
– “should Ukraine fall, it’s almost certain that war will engulf eastern Europe. Russia has repeatedly signalled its intent to reabsorb the Baltic states, Moldova and possibly Poland, too.”
– Therefore, abandoning Ukraine and permitting territorial concessions would “in all likelihood cause countless deaths, global economic havoc and possibly global nuclear war…so it’s better for everyone if we stop Russia now, before things get out of hand.”
– “Russia is a global adversary that wants to undermine American interests, and is partnering with China to do so. By supporting Ukraine, the U.S. has already been able to destroy half of Russia’s combat capability.”
– Also, “thanks to Kyiv, Moscow’s capacity to project force into the Arctic has already been hampered for a decade or so.”
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/adam-zivo-zelenskyy-visit-a-reminder-that-backing-ukraine-makes-canada-strong

Posted by: jayc | Sep 23 2023 3:26 utc | 284

RE: Fantasma | Sep 22 2023 18:22 utc | 11
Thank you! Brilliant response.

Posted by: Lubica | Sep 23 2023 3:39 utc | 285

RE: Fantasma | Sep 22 2023 18:22 utc | 11
Thank you! Brilliant response.

Posted by: Lubica | Sep 23 2023 3:39 utc | 286

Posted by: Jason | Sep 23 2023 3:16 utc | 139

.. If Russia plans well, it’s going to be salmon harvesting time! If not it will be a turning point in the war. ..

Dear Jason – a turning point is not in-sight.
Keep calm sitting in Your home in a “Sessel”.
What we (MoAs relates to DNR/LNR) trying to find out is the fact, how long this “war” will going on.
All we (DNR/Kherson/LPR/Saparhniza, acc.to latest polls) have got infos about, so we may stay here – as ever before – and secured by RF!
If YOU-Ms.-BBock – Foreign Minister of Germany – claims that Russia is an evil and has to be fighted aginst Russia with delivering some newest German “TAURUS” missiles, than :
You (Ms. BS-Bock) may have considered about your possibilties to ship an X numbers of those German Taurus Rockets.
Are You (Ms. BS-Bock + Your Master Scholz) really sure to deliver that batch – as an ‘extension’ – the newest “Taurus” missiles to the ‘UKR Forces’ have already received at a hidden Romania ports
Like any proofs ? I don’t like any proofs !

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 23 2023 3:50 utc | 287

Posted by: Jason | Sep 23 2023 3:16 utc | 139

.. If Russia plans well, it’s going to be salmon harvesting time! If not it will be a turning point in the war. ..

Dear Jason – a turning point is not in-sight.
Keep calm sitting in Your home in a “Sessel”.
What we (MoAs relates to DNR/LNR) trying to find out is the fact, how long this “war” will going on.
All we (DNR/Kherson/LPR/Saparhniza, acc.to latest polls) have got infos about, so we may stay here – as ever before – and secured by RF!
If YOU-Ms.-BBock – Foreign Minister of Germany – claims that Russia is an evil and has to be fighted aginst Russia with delivering some newest German “TAURUS” missiles, than :
You (Ms. BS-Bock) may have considered about your possibilties to ship an X numbers of those German Taurus Rockets.
Are You (Ms. BS-Bock + Your Master Scholz) really sure to deliver that batch – as an ‘extension’ – the newest “Taurus” missiles to the ‘UKR Forces’ have already received at a hidden Romania ports
Like any proofs ? I don’t like any proofs !

Posted by: spare_truth | Sep 23 2023 3:50 utc | 288

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 23 2023 1:14 utc | 118
“In summary, printing money is only helpful if there is something available to buy with it. Skills and real resources.”
Do you mean there will be deflation of prices in Ukraine? Or hyperinflation? For non-economists it is difficult to comprehend, what you drive at.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 23 2023 3:55 utc | 289

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 23 2023 1:14 utc | 118
“In summary, printing money is only helpful if there is something available to buy with it. Skills and real resources.”
Do you mean there will be deflation of prices in Ukraine? Or hyperinflation? For non-economists it is difficult to comprehend, what you drive at.

Posted by: fanto | Sep 23 2023 3:55 utc | 290

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
dasvidaniya
https://youtube.com/watch?v=p55qkzcxn1k
Posted by: Fantasma | Sep 22 2023 18:22 utc | 11
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Thank you Fantasma, that was a far better response to Soothsayer than mine. Bravo! Bravo!

Posted by: Ed | Sep 23 2023 4:03 utc | 291

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
dasvidaniya
https://youtube.com/watch?v=p55qkzcxn1k
Posted by: Fantasma | Sep 22 2023 18:22 utc | 11
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Thank you Fantasma, that was a far better response to Soothsayer than mine. Bravo! Bravo!

Posted by: Ed | Sep 23 2023 4:03 utc | 292

Justpassinby | Sep 22 2023 23:56 utc | 104
**** Its a slow generational falsification of history the usa is pushing on japan. And their lapdog government is obliging with due dilligence.
Same they did in ukraine. Same lithuania is doing in their schools and historybooks. Kalla kajas (or however that piece of human garbage is spelled) said it live on camera a few months ago in the munich conference.
The usa/nato is whitewashing themself out of everyrhing.
Nonstop propaganda does the rest.
Thats how you breed the next wave of agressive rabid dogs. “western values“.***
There is an appropriate response to such propagandist lies as VdL and Boris spout and intend to perpetuate. How long before disbelief in their crap becomes a crime?
The solution would be a promise of “You lie — you die”.
Not only guaranteed, but done……
But of course, since nobody in power in NATO takes the “leader” of Russia seriously any more, and he would not wish to offend his Western fellow capitalists and professionals anyway, that response will not be made.
So, it’s ever onwards to to 1984.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 23 2023 4:05 utc | 293

Justpassinby | Sep 22 2023 23:56 utc | 104
**** Its a slow generational falsification of history the usa is pushing on japan. And their lapdog government is obliging with due dilligence.
Same they did in ukraine. Same lithuania is doing in their schools and historybooks. Kalla kajas (or however that piece of human garbage is spelled) said it live on camera a few months ago in the munich conference.
The usa/nato is whitewashing themself out of everyrhing.
Nonstop propaganda does the rest.
Thats how you breed the next wave of agressive rabid dogs. “western values“.***
There is an appropriate response to such propagandist lies as VdL and Boris spout and intend to perpetuate. How long before disbelief in their crap becomes a crime?
The solution would be a promise of “You lie — you die”.
Not only guaranteed, but done……
But of course, since nobody in power in NATO takes the “leader” of Russia seriously any more, and he would not wish to offend his Western fellow capitalists and professionals anyway, that response will not be made.
So, it’s ever onwards to to 1984.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 23 2023 4:05 utc | 294

Ed | Sep 23 2023 3:23 utc | 141–
This is from today’s discussion of Russia’s labor market I reported on here, ,”Novgorod: Academic Tournaments, Jobs, Education, and Discussions”:

Putin: Separately, I will mention such an important issue as supporting veterans of a special military operation, including in improving their skills, obtaining a new profession, finding employment, and organizing their own business. All these are the tasks of the special state fund “Defenders of the Fatherland”. Today I visited the Novgorod branch [of the foundation] and saw how its work is organized. I hope that its branches are already actively working in all regions of the Russian Federation and will increase the pace of this work, which is a very important area.
I would like to emphasize that we need to do everything possible so that our heroes – in the full sense of heroes, our guys who are fighting on the front line-feel that they are in demand, can work, can provide for their loved ones, their families, and create these families. There are a lot of young people there. Family members of comrades we have lost should receive the same full assistance. Once again, I ask the heads of the regions to keep all these issues under their personal control. Dear colleagues, I have stressed this many times. I see your efforts, they are yielding results, and I ask you to keep the same bar….
What is the current situation with the level of wages and salaries in general? By the end of July, their growth was 10 and a half percent in real terms.
This is good, of course, we need to support this trend, make it sustainable, and to do this, the state should help people of all ages become more professional, qualified, and therefore competitive in the labor market. We are talking about creating real opportunities for citizens to add to their knowledge base, gradually update their skills and competencies. Our entire system of education and, of course, upbringing should be focused on these tasks. [My Emphasis]

IMO, that’s exactly how a nation/government should act and those against Russia have nothing of the sort because those running them lack basic humanity and a communal outlook, and their citizenry for the most part act like Good Germans thanks to their indoctrination.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 4:21 utc | 295

Ed | Sep 23 2023 3:23 utc | 141–
This is from today’s discussion of Russia’s labor market I reported on here, ,”Novgorod: Academic Tournaments, Jobs, Education, and Discussions”:

Putin: Separately, I will mention such an important issue as supporting veterans of a special military operation, including in improving their skills, obtaining a new profession, finding employment, and organizing their own business. All these are the tasks of the special state fund “Defenders of the Fatherland”. Today I visited the Novgorod branch [of the foundation] and saw how its work is organized. I hope that its branches are already actively working in all regions of the Russian Federation and will increase the pace of this work, which is a very important area.
I would like to emphasize that we need to do everything possible so that our heroes – in the full sense of heroes, our guys who are fighting on the front line-feel that they are in demand, can work, can provide for their loved ones, their families, and create these families. There are a lot of young people there. Family members of comrades we have lost should receive the same full assistance. Once again, I ask the heads of the regions to keep all these issues under their personal control. Dear colleagues, I have stressed this many times. I see your efforts, they are yielding results, and I ask you to keep the same bar….
What is the current situation with the level of wages and salaries in general? By the end of July, their growth was 10 and a half percent in real terms.
This is good, of course, we need to support this trend, make it sustainable, and to do this, the state should help people of all ages become more professional, qualified, and therefore competitive in the labor market. We are talking about creating real opportunities for citizens to add to their knowledge base, gradually update their skills and competencies. Our entire system of education and, of course, upbringing should be focused on these tasks. [My Emphasis]

IMO, that’s exactly how a nation/government should act and those against Russia have nothing of the sort because those running them lack basic humanity and a communal outlook, and their citizenry for the most part act like Good Germans thanks to their indoctrination.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 23 2023 4:21 utc | 296

” I have heard that the number of prisoners now in Russian hands is about 18’000. (Far too late to find it again, – several days ago.) ” [I heard on this post that the number is 9000, mostly Ukraine solders who surrendered peacefully] Ed.
Were these Red Cross numbers because I dont recall hearing about any of the following ?
” Under the Third Geneva Convention, prisoners of war (POW) must be: Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honor. Able to inform their next of kin and the International Committee of the Red Cross of their capture [, and] allowed to communicate regularly with relatives and receive packages. Given adequate food, clothing, housing, and medical attention. Paid for work done and not forced to do work that is dangerous, unhealthy, or degrading. Released quickly after conflicts end. Not compelled to give any information except for name, age, rank, and service number. In addition, if wounded or sick on the battlefield, the prisoner will receive help from the International Committee of the Red Cross. ”
Posted by: Shocked | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc
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Shocked, you may be shocked but there are no Red Cross personnel in Russian or Ukraine POW camps. They aren’t in Russian POW camps because they are western stooges, and they aren’t in Ukrainian POW camps because they would be forced to report war crimes committed against Russian POWs by the thousands. It is best that they don’t show up because they might have to testify against the UAF someday.
What the fuck did you expect?

Posted by: Ed | Sep 23 2023 4:26 utc | 297

” I have heard that the number of prisoners now in Russian hands is about 18’000. (Far too late to find it again, – several days ago.) ” [I heard on this post that the number is 9000, mostly Ukraine solders who surrendered peacefully] Ed.
Were these Red Cross numbers because I dont recall hearing about any of the following ?
” Under the Third Geneva Convention, prisoners of war (POW) must be: Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honor. Able to inform their next of kin and the International Committee of the Red Cross of their capture [, and] allowed to communicate regularly with relatives and receive packages. Given adequate food, clothing, housing, and medical attention. Paid for work done and not forced to do work that is dangerous, unhealthy, or degrading. Released quickly after conflicts end. Not compelled to give any information except for name, age, rank, and service number. In addition, if wounded or sick on the battlefield, the prisoner will receive help from the International Committee of the Red Cross. ”
Posted by: Shocked | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc
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Shocked, you may be shocked but there are no Red Cross personnel in Russian or Ukraine POW camps. They aren’t in Russian POW camps because they are western stooges, and they aren’t in Ukrainian POW camps because they would be forced to report war crimes committed against Russian POWs by the thousands. It is best that they don’t show up because they might have to testify against the UAF someday.
What the fuck did you expect?

Posted by: Ed | Sep 23 2023 4:26 utc | 298

I’ve noticed that they seem to have put more emphasis on the China deterrent side recently. That the war was necessary in order to deter China from invading Taiwan. This narrative was always there from the beginning, but I believe they have dialed it up considerably in recent weeks. I wonder if that is going to be their exit plan. I.e., something like: “the war was terrible, but we achieved our goal to deter Chinese aggression. So it was necessary and we are victorious. Ukrainian losses were unfortunate but for a good cause.”

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Sep 23 2023 4:37 utc | 299

I’ve noticed that they seem to have put more emphasis on the China deterrent side recently. That the war was necessary in order to deter China from invading Taiwan. This narrative was always there from the beginning, but I believe they have dialed it up considerably in recent weeks. I wonder if that is going to be their exit plan. I.e., something like: “the war was terrible, but we achieved our goal to deter Chinese aggression. So it was necessary and we are victorious. Ukrainian losses were unfortunate but for a good cause.”

Posted by: Rune Denmark | Sep 23 2023 4:37 utc | 300