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September 22, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: The War By Numbers Of Humans

When I was much younger and still lived in my hometown I was training two local female volleyball teams.

There was also a local team for men with disabilities. We had some friendly matches. Most of the men, then in their 50s to 60s, had had amputations. Some due to accidents but most due to the second world war. But even with only one leg or one arm they beat my teenage girl teams without much problems.

After such matches I often sat down with the men and talked about the war and the consequences it had for them. They had all done well and were living more or less normal lives. But many more who had been wounded like them had killed themselves or died young due to the long term consequences of their wounds.

The numbers further down remind me of those men.

Yves Smith looks at Ukraine's future:

The Coming Ukraine Collapse and the “Rebuilding” Headfake

Its economic prospects are terrible and all the talk about 'rebuilding' it is mostly nonsense:

Now after that introduction, to the main event of the exceedingly poor economic prospects for what will be left of Ukraine… which is not even known. It’s pretty remarkable to see chipper talk in the West of rebuilding Ukraine, since it presupposes there will be a meaningful Ukraine left. It’s reminiscent of children discussing how much of an ailing parent’s wealth they expect to carve up when the process of dying could well wipe out the remaining assets.

When the war is over Ukraine will be a bankrupt and largely empty country. Yves quotes Michael Vlahos who mentions a piece by the intel-connected Jamestown Foundation about Ukraine's population numbers.

I searched for and found it:

Ukraine’s Manpower Requirements Reaching a Critical Threshold

The piece was published two months ago and its numbers are grueling. Here are some snippets:

Considering that Ukraine has a population of about 20 million citizens, and given that the most recent data on the number of people mobilized into the ranks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was last announced more than a year ago (at the time, it was reported that more than 1 million people had been mobilized), some estimates can be made based on how many new brigades have been created, the approximate number of those wounded and the calculations of the Ukrainian Ministry of Veterans Affairs regarding the potential number of combatants (up to 4 million) (Forbes.ua, July 8, 2022; Mva.gov.ua, May 23). Keeping in mind that Ukraine’s mobilization is permanent and that many have been wounded, the estimated number of mobilized Ukrainians totals about 2 million.

What does this mean for Ukraine? It means that 10 percent of the population is now involved with the armed forces, signifying that Ukraine’s mobilization reserve is rather small, with those pensioners who did not leave the country accounting for 10.7 million people (Pfu.gov.ua, July 12). All this means that Ukraine has approached a critical threshold with its personnel needs.

Twenty million minus the pensioners minus women and children leaves maybe some 6 million men that can potentially be mobilized. But many are still needed to run the economy and keep the trains rolling. The Minister of Veteran Affairs expects that there will be, in the end, some 4 million war veterans.

The war will likely end before that number is reached.

Since at least May the mobilization campaign has reached less than half the expected number (machine translation):

During July, only about 50% of the required number of soldiers was mobilized to the training centers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which may soon lead to a decrease in the combat capability of the Ukrainian army.

This is evidenced by a preliminary analysis conducted at the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a source in the department told Ukrainian Military Pages. A noticeable deterioration in the results of recruiting new recruits to the Armed Forces of Ukraine continues from May 2023. Especially critical problems with the replenishment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine look against the background of increasing combat losses due to the counteroffensive of the Ukrainian army in the east and south and the offensive of Russian troops in the Kharkiv region.

Recall that in June, only 50% of those liable for military service from the number who were supposed to start training in training centers to replenish the Ukrainian army were also mobilized.

That lack of forces is the background of the recent mobilization corruption scandals. People had bribed the recruiters and doctors to get exempted. They will continue to do so.

Two million have already entered the Ukrainian army. Many of those have been wounded or killed.

Due to the war the number of people with disabilities in Ukraine has sharply increased (machine translation):

During the year and a half of the full-scale invasion, the number of Ukrainians with disabilities increased by 300 thousand.

Previously, 2.7 million people with disabilities lived in Ukraine, and now this figure has reached 3 million.

This was announced by the Minister of Social Policy Oksana Zholnovych at the opening of the All-Ukrainian Center for Comprehensive Rehabilitation for Persons with Disabilities, Ukrinform "Укрінформ"reports.

Given the miserable level of care for the wounded we can safely assume that a similar number of soldiers were killed.

Ukraine is running out of money and the minister wants to decrease social spending:

The Minister of Social Policy of Ukraine, Oksana Zholnovych, speaking at the International Sustainability Forum 2023 announced proposals to reform Ukraine’s social contract and social policies to aid the country’s further development.

In her opinion, in order to achieve success in the next 10 years, the state should not increase the number of existing social benefits.

Zolnovych says that it seems illogical for a veteran to earn a salary and pay tax which is later transferred back to him or her in some form of benefit. She feels that social policy should be a service that offers practical support where it is needed rather than just making payments.

Therefore, the Ministry proposes to develop these support services. Zolnovych gave examples: immigrants should be helped to adapt to their new life, find work, and integrate into society, if an individual has lost a limb, then they would receive help with finding and fitting a prosthesis, training how to use that prosthesis, and how to find appropriate work.

Some 20,000 of the wounded Ukrainian soldiers have had amputations:

There are not nearly enough prosthetic specialists in Ukraine to handle the growing need, said Olha Rudneva, the head of the Superhumans center for rehabilitating Ukrainian military amputees. Before the war, she said, only five people in all of Ukraine had formal rehabilitation training for people with arm or hand amputations, which in normal circumstances are less common than legs and feet as those sometimes are amputated due to complications with diabetes or other illnesses.

Rudneva estimated that 20,000 Ukrainians have endured at least one amputation since the war began. The government does not say how many of those are soldiers, but blast injuries are among the most common in a war with a long front line.

The lack of medical doctors in Ukraine was already serious when the war began. The war made it worse. It will now worsen even more. Starting October 1 female doctors and pharmacist will have to register for potential mobilization with the military enlistment office. Many are now fleeing the country as they fear that their travel will soon be restricted (machine translation):

Note that many doctors and nurses have long had military ID cards. Another thing is that there was no special control over the military registration of women until recently. For pharmacists, the prospect of becoming liable for military service is a novelty. And on this occasion, as the head of the association "FarmRada" Elena Prudnikova told us, the mood in the profile environment is alarming. The main thing that both doctors and pharmacists fear is the risk of being banned from leaving Ukraine.

According to Prudnikova, over the past two weeks, thousands of pharmacists have left in a hurry.

"Pharmacy owners are in a panic, people write applications and leave for Europe before the borders are closed to them. Who will work is an open question, especially since the industry is already in a severe crisis," Prudnikova told us.

The Ukrainian army will soon field body armor for female soldiers. There are currently some 5,000 female soldiers near the front lines. That could change if the Ukrainian military starts to mobilize more women.

As more Ukrainian soldiers defect to the Russian side the number of war prisoners has increased to about 9,000.

Civilian casualties have been low. The UN has registered less than 10,000 killed and less that 17,000 wounded.

The mobilization has serious consequences for Ukraine's economy. It lacks the labor force that is needed to keep it running.

As Yves writes:

Ukraine’s government is now substantially if not totally dependent on Western funding. Federal spending was $35 billion in 2021 and $61 billion in 2022. A substantial portion of US aid was to prop up the government.

And even if spending falls from war-level peaks, Ukraine’s fall in GDP (estimated at 25%, which seems low) in combination with not just an aged population, but now a large number of war disabled, including many amputees, means an increased social burden with greatly diminished productive capacity.

And we have not even factored in what happens if Russia eventually marches up to the Dnieper, getting even more of Ukraine’s most productive farm land, and/or takes the Black Sea coast, turning Ukraine into an even poorer landlocked rump state. The fact that the US is unwilling to make any concession to the key Russian demand of no Ukraine ever in NATO means Russia will prosecute the war until it has subjugated Ukraine, by whatever combination of conquest, installation of a captive government, and economic destruction needs to happen.

To 'rebuild' from that is likely impossible.

Comments

Maybe Jews have decided that Israel is untenable in the long run and have the Ukraine in mind as a possible refuge? Depopulation of Ukraine would facilitate such a plan.

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 22 2023 20:16 utc | 101

Maybe Jews have decided that Israel is untenable in the long run and have the Ukraine in mind as a possible refuge? Depopulation of Ukraine would facilitate such a plan.

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 22 2023 20:16 utc | 102

I have heard that the number of prisoners now in Russian hands is about 18’000. (Far too late to find it again, – several days ago.) But it holds up as rybar were congratulating themselves on “provoking” 800+ surrenders immediately after they posted the “Volga” radio code/wavelength on their site.
As the Ukrainians bombed prisoners held by Russians after Avrostal fell, they will now be wary of giving away too much information.
***
One reason that the Polish may want to stop supplying arms:
Early reports claimed the largest contingent of “mercenaries” with the Ukranians were Polish. Probably soldiers “on leave” or wearing other figleaves. If the same rate of attrition as for Ukrainians is applied, then the Polish will have lost a lot of men. (Some may have simply left, but soldiers on “forward deployment” do not necessarily have the right to leave as they wish to).
So a figure of up to 10’000 Polish mercenaries was mentioned, and even if only 10% were lost KIA, a thousand bodies are difficult to hide for an army that is “not at war”, and with an election coming up an unwanted complication.
Poland may need to back off temporarily, so no troops, no arms.
(I doubt that they lost 70-80% of men as the Ukrainians have, as earlier (in january?) a large section shot up the Azov backshooters first, when they tried to do a tactical retreat and were stopped.)
***
Zelenski visibly did not get what he wanted at the UN, BUT the Taurus missiles (“Oh, no, we are not going to give them to Ukraine”……said Baerback before her latest 360° pirouette) ARE going to be given to Ukraine. 45 now and a further 50 later on. Even less reason to believe German ministers.
***
The Americans are definitely coordinating the missile launches on Crimea, and the UK must be the ones inserting instructions into the Storm shadows, as this has to be done while on the ground. It is also probably they are doing the naval drone bit. Obviously they do not want to be accused of having “boots on the ground” so by using the US forces as examples, they are probably all wearing skirts and high heeled shoes. otherwise they could be said to be participating in WWIII. ( Wonder Woke threebe?)
***
Last point, the NATO-UKE are building up mine clearing forces and other mechanical means of advancing past the first Suvrokin line near Rabotino, so expect more last minute action before “rain stops play”

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 22 2023 20:16 utc | 103

I have heard that the number of prisoners now in Russian hands is about 18’000. (Far too late to find it again, – several days ago.) But it holds up as rybar were congratulating themselves on “provoking” 800+ surrenders immediately after they posted the “Volga” radio code/wavelength on their site.
As the Ukrainians bombed prisoners held by Russians after Avrostal fell, they will now be wary of giving away too much information.
***
One reason that the Polish may want to stop supplying arms:
Early reports claimed the largest contingent of “mercenaries” with the Ukranians were Polish. Probably soldiers “on leave” or wearing other figleaves. If the same rate of attrition as for Ukrainians is applied, then the Polish will have lost a lot of men. (Some may have simply left, but soldiers on “forward deployment” do not necessarily have the right to leave as they wish to).
So a figure of up to 10’000 Polish mercenaries was mentioned, and even if only 10% were lost KIA, a thousand bodies are difficult to hide for an army that is “not at war”, and with an election coming up an unwanted complication.
Poland may need to back off temporarily, so no troops, no arms.
(I doubt that they lost 70-80% of men as the Ukrainians have, as earlier (in january?) a large section shot up the Azov backshooters first, when they tried to do a tactical retreat and were stopped.)
***
Zelenski visibly did not get what he wanted at the UN, BUT the Taurus missiles (“Oh, no, we are not going to give them to Ukraine”……said Baerback before her latest 360° pirouette) ARE going to be given to Ukraine. 45 now and a further 50 later on. Even less reason to believe German ministers.
***
The Americans are definitely coordinating the missile launches on Crimea, and the UK must be the ones inserting instructions into the Storm shadows, as this has to be done while on the ground. It is also probably they are doing the naval drone bit. Obviously they do not want to be accused of having “boots on the ground” so by using the US forces as examples, they are probably all wearing skirts and high heeled shoes. otherwise they could be said to be participating in WWIII. ( Wonder Woke threebe?)
***
Last point, the NATO-UKE are building up mine clearing forces and other mechanical means of advancing past the first Suvrokin line near Rabotino, so expect more last minute action before “rain stops play”

Posted by: Stonebird | Sep 22 2023 20:16 utc | 104

It is my sincere hope that each country that aided Ukraine have their entire political apparatus charged with crimes against humanity. They then spend the rest of their lives wandering the earth at our mercies or not.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 22 2023 20:28 utc | 105

It is my sincere hope that each country that aided Ukraine have their entire political apparatus charged with crimes against humanity. They then spend the rest of their lives wandering the earth at our mercies or not.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 22 2023 20:28 utc | 106

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:09 utc | 6
Who is “we”? Do you identify with the Anglo-American oligarchs and the politicos serving their interests?
If your response is “hell no”, then the answer to your question is that the criminal treatment of the proxies isn’t a concern as long as it serves the interests of the Anglo-American empire. Aghans, South Vietnamese, Iraqis and other Arabs, various Africans, Latin Americans you name it, although the Ukrainians top the cake.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 22 2023 20:28 utc | 107

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:09 utc | 6
Who is “we”? Do you identify with the Anglo-American oligarchs and the politicos serving their interests?
If your response is “hell no”, then the answer to your question is that the criminal treatment of the proxies isn’t a concern as long as it serves the interests of the Anglo-American empire. Aghans, South Vietnamese, Iraqis and other Arabs, various Africans, Latin Americans you name it, although the Ukrainians top the cake.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 22 2023 20:28 utc | 108

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
The Vlasovite Navalnist or the paid western mole serving the same narrative continues to infest the blog. An indication that MoA is on the right track, I guess.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 22 2023 20:33 utc | 109

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
The Vlasovite Navalnist or the paid western mole serving the same narrative continues to infest the blog. An indication that MoA is on the right track, I guess.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 22 2023 20:33 utc | 110

“..Anyone cheering imperialist war is not left. They are a fraud sponsored by the RC of Europe and the US. It just aids them to refer to them that way. They are hard right war mongers and extreme capitalists with a reverse racial gender hierarchy.” Ahenobarbus@44
To which I would add, what is also true in Canada and elsewhere, that these spokesmen for the ‘left’ are invariably careerist mediocrities looking for promotion.
Most of them believe in nothing except their own comfort- they are a collective cross that the working class have had to bear since the franchise opened up opportunities for sellouts and traitors.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 22 2023 20:33 utc | 111

“..Anyone cheering imperialist war is not left. They are a fraud sponsored by the RC of Europe and the US. It just aids them to refer to them that way. They are hard right war mongers and extreme capitalists with a reverse racial gender hierarchy.” Ahenobarbus@44
To which I would add, what is also true in Canada and elsewhere, that these spokesmen for the ‘left’ are invariably careerist mediocrities looking for promotion.
Most of them believe in nothing except their own comfort- they are a collective cross that the working class have had to bear since the franchise opened up opportunities for sellouts and traitors.

Posted by: bevin | Sep 22 2023 20:33 utc | 112

Homicidal maniacs try to act surprised.
Biden tells Zelensk* that U.S. will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles, 22 Sep

Some in Washington had resisted supplying the weapons system, known as “attack-ems,” out of fear that it would widen the war with Russia.
President Joe Biden has told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, that the United States will provide a small number of long-range missiles to aid the war with Russia, three U.S. officials and a congressional official familiar with the discussions told NBC News on Friday. The officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly, did not say when the missiles would be delivered or when a public announcement would be made.
[…]
The congressional official said there was still a debate about the type of missile that would be sent and how many would be delivered to Ukraine. They added that countries in Eastern Europe had already given Ukraine large portions of their weapons stockpiles.
[…]
The White House initially withheld approval for requests for Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, Howitzer artillery pieces, anti-ship missiles and HIMARS systems, but later gave the green light to them being shipped.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 22 2023 20:38 utc | 113

Homicidal maniacs try to act surprised.
Biden tells Zelensk* that U.S. will send Ukraine ATACMS long-range missiles, 22 Sep

Some in Washington had resisted supplying the weapons system, known as “attack-ems,” out of fear that it would widen the war with Russia.
President Joe Biden has told his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, that the United States will provide a small number of long-range missiles to aid the war with Russia, three U.S. officials and a congressional official familiar with the discussions told NBC News on Friday. The officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly, did not say when the missiles would be delivered or when a public announcement would be made.
[…]
The congressional official said there was still a debate about the type of missile that would be sent and how many would be delivered to Ukraine. They added that countries in Eastern Europe had already given Ukraine large portions of their weapons stockpiles.
[…]
The White House initially withheld approval for requests for Stinger anti-aircraft missiles, Howitzer artillery pieces, anti-ship missiles and HIMARS systems, but later gave the green light to them being shipped.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 22 2023 20:38 utc | 114

the Russians would have ran out of troops if they lost 500 000 people. Isn’t 500 000 the high end of total troops committed so far?
Most of the Russian troops are mobilized Ukies anyway so I doubt anyone runs out soon.
The EU and the US dumped plenty of money on Ukraine today they are not walking away and they are far from done. People are speculating pressure on Ukraine to negotiate but I have seen nothing to suggest that. I have seen many speeches how Russia must be defeated.
The US and NATO are not loosing they still have all their troops all their planes and thousands of tanks. Africa and the Middle East have not been settled yet so Russia will be tying up the west for a long time yet
Cutting Turkey out of the new trade route was a grave mistake by the west, if they lose turkey they lose the power balance and Turkey seems pissed about it

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 20:39 utc | 115

the Russians would have ran out of troops if they lost 500 000 people. Isn’t 500 000 the high end of total troops committed so far?
Most of the Russian troops are mobilized Ukies anyway so I doubt anyone runs out soon.
The EU and the US dumped plenty of money on Ukraine today they are not walking away and they are far from done. People are speculating pressure on Ukraine to negotiate but I have seen nothing to suggest that. I have seen many speeches how Russia must be defeated.
The US and NATO are not loosing they still have all their troops all their planes and thousands of tanks. Africa and the Middle East have not been settled yet so Russia will be tying up the west for a long time yet
Cutting Turkey out of the new trade route was a grave mistake by the west, if they lose turkey they lose the power balance and Turkey seems pissed about it

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 20:39 utc | 116

11 million Remaining in Kiev controled Territory
N.B. The rippling impacts of war wounded and deaths last into the 3rd and 4th generations. It’s staggering when one understands how deeply damaging war is.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 22 2023 17:56 utc | 1

Your numbers are pretty much in accord with my previous estimates….
I emphasize… nearly 10.4 million pensioners….
The Ukies are not able to meet mobilization quotas… for the simple reason…. mobilizable male resource is gone…
SO….
Now mobilizing 16-18 year olds and pensioners… Famous case of 71 year old trainee in Germany learning to drive a tank…
Meanwhile Russia continues to kill 1000-2000 / day…
When the Ukie army collapses… probably suddenly…. formations enmasse walking home…
Russia for it’s part… has opened crisis lines to support those wishing to surrender…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 20:42 utc | 117

11 million Remaining in Kiev controled Territory
N.B. The rippling impacts of war wounded and deaths last into the 3rd and 4th generations. It’s staggering when one understands how deeply damaging war is.
Posted by: Exile | Sep 22 2023 17:56 utc | 1

Your numbers are pretty much in accord with my previous estimates….
I emphasize… nearly 10.4 million pensioners….
The Ukies are not able to meet mobilization quotas… for the simple reason…. mobilizable male resource is gone…
SO….
Now mobilizing 16-18 year olds and pensioners… Famous case of 71 year old trainee in Germany learning to drive a tank…
Meanwhile Russia continues to kill 1000-2000 / day…
When the Ukie army collapses… probably suddenly…. formations enmasse walking home…
Russia for it’s part… has opened crisis lines to support those wishing to surrender…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 20:42 utc | 118

@Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
KIA: 372,093
WIA: 508,474
Total Casualties: 880,567

SIM card data ….. 1.2 million cards destroyed == 1 million KIA and/or WIA
This figure grows by ~ 7-15 thousand / week…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 20:49 utc | 119

@Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
KIA: 372,093
WIA: 508,474
Total Casualties: 880,567

SIM card data ….. 1.2 million cards destroyed == 1 million KIA and/or WIA
This figure grows by ~ 7-15 thousand / week…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 20:49 utc | 120

The German Left – even prewar-hardcore pacificst – are surprisingly happy with it: Because white people kill white people in this war. It’s a win/win situation for them.
Posted by: Phil | Sep 22 2023 19:43 utc | 41
Well, the chief ideologues of what could pass as anti-white sentiment would be the German rightists. I mean, the German nationalists were top notch racists towards so many pale-skinned Europeans in the east and south of the continent. Moreover, the war in Ukraine was put on track by Merkel, a solid right-winger. And her party continues to support the war effort against Russia.
One could further mention Adrian Zenz, a western supremacist right-winger and a fascist heretic who asserts that the goal of Jesus was to promote free-market capitalism and how to become filthy rich. That would be the same globalist puke that spearheaded the propaganda campaign against China abou Xinjiang. And I don’t recall cultural liberals and ultra-progs denouncing his claims on account of his rightist convictions.
In short, this “leftist anti-white stance” is utter horsecrap. What matters is the interests of the oligarchy and the neoliberal right is on top of any leftist frauds.
Plus, one could make some questions about the moral standing of any who express indignation about “whites killing other whites”, but not when “non-whites” are involved.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 22 2023 20:49 utc | 121

The German Left – even prewar-hardcore pacificst – are surprisingly happy with it: Because white people kill white people in this war. It’s a win/win situation for them.
Posted by: Phil | Sep 22 2023 19:43 utc | 41
Well, the chief ideologues of what could pass as anti-white sentiment would be the German rightists. I mean, the German nationalists were top notch racists towards so many pale-skinned Europeans in the east and south of the continent. Moreover, the war in Ukraine was put on track by Merkel, a solid right-winger. And her party continues to support the war effort against Russia.
One could further mention Adrian Zenz, a western supremacist right-winger and a fascist heretic who asserts that the goal of Jesus was to promote free-market capitalism and how to become filthy rich. That would be the same globalist puke that spearheaded the propaganda campaign against China abou Xinjiang. And I don’t recall cultural liberals and ultra-progs denouncing his claims on account of his rightist convictions.
In short, this “leftist anti-white stance” is utter horsecrap. What matters is the interests of the oligarchy and the neoliberal right is on top of any leftist frauds.
Plus, one could make some questions about the moral standing of any who express indignation about “whites killing other whites”, but not when “non-whites” are involved.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 22 2023 20:49 utc | 122

Bankrupt destroyed Ukraine will be left as the big stone at the neck of the EU so that it remain sunk deep under water for the decades to come, making it no match for the US..
Pharmacists are running from Ukraine to Europe? No worries, there will come US Pharma Giant retailers ( which moreover will help in “vaccinating Europe” and thus decimating remaining public health systems…and European helathy population with “their formulas”… ) as they have come the US Big Agrobusinees, US Big Gas, plus black transplantologists, human traders, drug traders, and every scamer in the world…to manage EU squezed taxpayers money….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Sep 22 2023 20:54 utc | 123

Bankrupt destroyed Ukraine will be left as the big stone at the neck of the EU so that it remain sunk deep under water for the decades to come, making it no match for the US..
Pharmacists are running from Ukraine to Europe? No worries, there will come US Pharma Giant retailers ( which moreover will help in “vaccinating Europe” and thus decimating remaining public health systems…and European helathy population with “their formulas”… ) as they have come the US Big Agrobusinees, US Big Gas, plus black transplantologists, human traders, drug traders, and every scamer in the world…to manage EU squezed taxpayers money….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Sep 22 2023 20:54 utc | 124

Simon | Sep 22 2023 19:26 utc | 34
bigger than Vietnam was for the USA
Yep.
Vietnam was never existential for the U$. And it was fought thousands of kms from the U$.
What a nonsense [and a glaring example of U$-centric thinking] to try to compare U$-Vietnam with what absolutely is an existential war for Russia, fought on historical Russian territory, against USNATO, and a full cohort of all U$ controlled vassals.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 22 2023 20:56 utc | 125

Simon | Sep 22 2023 19:26 utc | 34
bigger than Vietnam was for the USA
Yep.
Vietnam was never existential for the U$. And it was fought thousands of kms from the U$.
What a nonsense [and a glaring example of U$-centric thinking] to try to compare U$-Vietnam with what absolutely is an existential war for Russia, fought on historical Russian territory, against USNATO, and a full cohort of all U$ controlled vassals.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 22 2023 20:56 utc | 126

As for what will happen to Ukraine if one remains as a political entity when this is over, look at Libya and Afghanistan for the most likely pictures. The Syrian outcome is possible as is what became of Yugoslavia. When we go back to December 2021 and look at what was on offer by Russia then and then add the SMO’s goals, I stand by my original assessment that Ukraine will vanish from the pages of time as a political entity. Given how Russia has behaved regarding self-determination, I assume Russia will allow those remaining in what was Ukraine to choose from a limited number of choices, one of which will be the city-statelet of Kiev, whose possible borders are unknown currently. That’s the only outcome I see from the requirements of No NATO, No Nazis, and no standing military or arms manufacturing capabilities, just basic security forces with external security being guaranteed by Russia and Belarus.
As for the bigger issue of NATO on Russia’s borders, that’s a whole different yet related issue that will also need to be solved. IMO, Russia will absorb all the remaining Great Russian lands unless the people there vote otherwise. As for what will follow in relations with Europe, one of the little noted facts currently is the massive increase in Russian LNG exports to Europe, which confirms geoeconomic dependency on Russia continues despite the vaunted sanctions that would defeat Russia without a shot fired.
Reconstruction and reintegration in the “new” Russian regions will follow the pattern established in Donbass and all Russia will lend a shoulder. Of course, those regions where people vote to return to their original nation will assume those nations will help them rebuild. However, it’s entirely possible the newly adopted nation will refuse to accept the new lands, people and expense, and that will create further problems. As such, we shall await the passage of time and run of events.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2023 20:59 utc | 127

As for what will happen to Ukraine if one remains as a political entity when this is over, look at Libya and Afghanistan for the most likely pictures. The Syrian outcome is possible as is what became of Yugoslavia. When we go back to December 2021 and look at what was on offer by Russia then and then add the SMO’s goals, I stand by my original assessment that Ukraine will vanish from the pages of time as a political entity. Given how Russia has behaved regarding self-determination, I assume Russia will allow those remaining in what was Ukraine to choose from a limited number of choices, one of which will be the city-statelet of Kiev, whose possible borders are unknown currently. That’s the only outcome I see from the requirements of No NATO, No Nazis, and no standing military or arms manufacturing capabilities, just basic security forces with external security being guaranteed by Russia and Belarus.
As for the bigger issue of NATO on Russia’s borders, that’s a whole different yet related issue that will also need to be solved. IMO, Russia will absorb all the remaining Great Russian lands unless the people there vote otherwise. As for what will follow in relations with Europe, one of the little noted facts currently is the massive increase in Russian LNG exports to Europe, which confirms geoeconomic dependency on Russia continues despite the vaunted sanctions that would defeat Russia without a shot fired.
Reconstruction and reintegration in the “new” Russian regions will follow the pattern established in Donbass and all Russia will lend a shoulder. Of course, those regions where people vote to return to their original nation will assume those nations will help them rebuild. However, it’s entirely possible the newly adopted nation will refuse to accept the new lands, people and expense, and that will create further problems. As such, we shall await the passage of time and run of events.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2023 20:59 utc | 128

Only Russia makes the major components of the Ukraine electrical system. By simply destroying 750KV el. network, Russia can, without killing any civilians force massive movement of Ukrainians in direction of EU and collapse of Ukrainian state.
But Putin does not want or cannot do that.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 21:02 utc | 129

Only Russia makes the major components of the Ukraine electrical system. By simply destroying 750KV el. network, Russia can, without killing any civilians force massive movement of Ukrainians in direction of EU and collapse of Ukrainian state.
But Putin does not want or cannot do that.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 21:02 utc | 130

From Gerroman Telegram Channel….
https://t.me/geromanat/10497
GO TO VOLGA AND SAVE YOUR LIFE: REAL RESULTS
▪️On July 20, when the Goodwill Revenge team launched the Volga and surrender initiative at a frequency of 149.200, the number of captured Ukrainians was 7950 people .
▪️On September 5, we, together with @ZSU_Hunter_2_0 , published a promotional video for the initiative, calling for it to be disseminated as much as possible: at that time there were 8,106 people in captivity.
▪️On September 7, two days later, we were faced with the fact that the frequency in Ukraine was being blocked. Then fellow electronic warfare specialists suggested using additional frequencies: 49.200 and 449.200 .
🔻As of today, September 22, we state that the initiative is working . The total number of members of the Ukrainian formations who surrendered is 8,991 people . Thanks to our video, new frequencies, word of mouth, orders from commanders from above , 885 people surrendered in 17 days.
This is a real, real, tangible result. Videos of members of Ukrainian formations surrendering in groups appear every day. Hurray, comrades!

The losses mount……
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 21:03 utc | 131

From Gerroman Telegram Channel….
https://t.me/geromanat/10497
GO TO VOLGA AND SAVE YOUR LIFE: REAL RESULTS
▪️On July 20, when the Goodwill Revenge team launched the Volga and surrender initiative at a frequency of 149.200, the number of captured Ukrainians was 7950 people .
▪️On September 5, we, together with @ZSU_Hunter_2_0 , published a promotional video for the initiative, calling for it to be disseminated as much as possible: at that time there were 8,106 people in captivity.
▪️On September 7, two days later, we were faced with the fact that the frequency in Ukraine was being blocked. Then fellow electronic warfare specialists suggested using additional frequencies: 49.200 and 449.200 .
🔻As of today, September 22, we state that the initiative is working . The total number of members of the Ukrainian formations who surrendered is 8,991 people . Thanks to our video, new frequencies, word of mouth, orders from commanders from above , 885 people surrendered in 17 days.
This is a real, real, tangible result. Videos of members of Ukrainian formations surrendering in groups appear every day. Hurray, comrades!

The losses mount……
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 21:03 utc | 132

RT: US to supply Ukraine with ATACMS missiles – media
The long-range munitions, repeatedly demanded by Kiev, will reportedly come with controversial cluster warheads
Quite clear. They are not afraid of Russia any more. The escalation continues…

Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 21:06 utc | 133

RT: US to supply Ukraine with ATACMS missiles – media
The long-range munitions, repeatedly demanded by Kiev, will reportedly come with controversial cluster warheads
Quite clear. They are not afraid of Russia any more. The escalation continues…

Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 21:06 utc | 134

@ English Outsider et al.
Sanctions game tears apart normal business and cultural relations between nations. Only the few and chosen can to do business with Russia – and it’s lucrative business. Estonian Prime Minister and her husband come to mind, US of course, too.
Still, it is not without danger for Russia – the few and selected on her side can perhaps easily turn coat at later day. At this point, one is reminded of the fate of the USSR.

Posted by: js | Sep 22 2023 21:15 utc | 135

@ English Outsider et al.
Sanctions game tears apart normal business and cultural relations between nations. Only the few and chosen can to do business with Russia – and it’s lucrative business. Estonian Prime Minister and her husband come to mind, US of course, too.
Still, it is not without danger for Russia – the few and selected on her side can perhaps easily turn coat at later day. At this point, one is reminded of the fate of the USSR.

Posted by: js | Sep 22 2023 21:15 utc | 136

Why don’t the Dems send all the migrants from the southern border to Kiev? That would help Kiev and help their cities.

Posted by: oracle | Sep 22 2023 21:19 utc | 137

Why don’t the Dems send all the migrants from the southern border to Kiev? That would help Kiev and help their cities.

Posted by: oracle | Sep 22 2023 21:19 utc | 138

B, by all metrics your numbers are right (although I’d consider the total population almost 50% higher but with no potencial for more than 4 million draftees 60% of the pre-war potential of 7 million)
Kia should be 500.000 by month end (and 25.000 amputees and 475.000 further unrecoverable hounded) from more than 2.000.000 mobilized.
But mobilizing Kiev and other friendlies will be a problem for Z… they might think a regime change is in order, specially if under strength to face a new Russian attack

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 22 2023 21:19 utc | 139

B, by all metrics your numbers are right (although I’d consider the total population almost 50% higher but with no potencial for more than 4 million draftees 60% of the pre-war potential of 7 million)
Kia should be 500.000 by month end (and 25.000 amputees and 475.000 further unrecoverable hounded) from more than 2.000.000 mobilized.
But mobilizing Kiev and other friendlies will be a problem for Z… they might think a regime change is in order, specially if under strength to face a new Russian attack

Posted by: Newbie | Sep 22 2023 21:19 utc | 140

Only Russia makes the major components of the Ukraine electrical system. By simply destroying 750KV el. network, Russia can, without killing any civilians force massive movement of Ukrainians in direction of EU and collapse of Ukrainian state.
But Putin does not want or cannot do that.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 21:02 utc | 66
The Russians are smarter than that, they have destroyed a large portion of the Ukies ability to produce power but left enough of the the grid intact for the power to run everywhere. The problem for the west is that the power has to run from the EU to Ukraine to keep the lights on when Russia hits any random substation or if everyone wants power.
Sneaky Sneaky
They left the power alone long enough for the neighbors to hook up and sign contracts for buying Ukraine’s power

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 21:19 utc | 141

Only Russia makes the major components of the Ukraine electrical system. By simply destroying 750KV el. network, Russia can, without killing any civilians force massive movement of Ukrainians in direction of EU and collapse of Ukrainian state.
But Putin does not want or cannot do that.
Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 21:02 utc | 66
The Russians are smarter than that, they have destroyed a large portion of the Ukies ability to produce power but left enough of the the grid intact for the power to run everywhere. The problem for the west is that the power has to run from the EU to Ukraine to keep the lights on when Russia hits any random substation or if everyone wants power.
Sneaky Sneaky
They left the power alone long enough for the neighbors to hook up and sign contracts for buying Ukraine’s power

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 21:19 utc | 142

Why, then, are we even now shovelling thousands upon thousands of unfortunate Ukrainians into the killing fields?
Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:17 utc | 9
To do otherwise at this point would be an admission of defeat is the simple answer. And that is not acceptable, worse even than “Peace with Honor”
Which of course, wasn’t Honorable, like many things related to politics

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 22 2023 21:22 utc | 143

Why, then, are we even now shovelling thousands upon thousands of unfortunate Ukrainians into the killing fields?
Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:17 utc | 9
To do otherwise at this point would be an admission of defeat is the simple answer. And that is not acceptable, worse even than “Peace with Honor”
Which of course, wasn’t Honorable, like many things related to politics

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 22 2023 21:22 utc | 144

@Petri Krohn | Sep 22 2023 18:19 utc | 10

The Tochka massacre in Kramatorsk may have been intentional.

The spent casing had “for the children” written on it so there is no doubt it was intentional.

Posted by: cirsium | Sep 22 2023 21:23 utc | 145

@Petri Krohn | Sep 22 2023 18:19 utc | 10

The Tochka massacre in Kramatorsk may have been intentional.

The spent casing had “for the children” written on it so there is no doubt it was intentional.

Posted by: cirsium | Sep 22 2023 21:23 utc | 146

of course escalation continues. And after ATACMS it will be something bigger and with more range, etc.
So Ukraine is going to be bled. By now people live their lives normally in Kiev and Lwow. Russia has enough tools to cause mass destruction in conventional way.
Not sure it will not end in nuclear war in 2024. Russia can be badly damaged by nuclear hits but yanquis have to be sure they can intercept any kind of nukes, because it would be enough that Russia hits New York, Washington, Los Angeles, to inflicts much more wound and yanquis will cry like pigs before slaughter, they are virgin to war on their soil. Russian territory has enough northern empty forestry to get survival spots but USA will be very bad.

Posted by: Timur | Sep 22 2023 21:35 utc | 147

of course escalation continues. And after ATACMS it will be something bigger and with more range, etc.
So Ukraine is going to be bled. By now people live their lives normally in Kiev and Lwow. Russia has enough tools to cause mass destruction in conventional way.
Not sure it will not end in nuclear war in 2024. Russia can be badly damaged by nuclear hits but yanquis have to be sure they can intercept any kind of nukes, because it would be enough that Russia hits New York, Washington, Los Angeles, to inflicts much more wound and yanquis will cry like pigs before slaughter, they are virgin to war on their soil. Russian territory has enough northern empty forestry to get survival spots but USA will be very bad.

Posted by: Timur | Sep 22 2023 21:35 utc | 148

Posted by: Soothsayer | 22 sep 2023 18:16 utc 8
If it doesn’t show any source then it is fake 8

Posted by: Neocons | Sep 22 2023 21:49 utc | 149

Posted by: Soothsayer | 22 sep 2023 18:16 utc 8
If it doesn’t show any source then it is fake 8

Posted by: Neocons | Sep 22 2023 21:49 utc | 150

Well they’re white, they got the internet and they ain’t muslim so they got that going for them. There’s lots of work in the escort business and titty bars. Other than that look to Libya, Syria and Afghanistan to see their future.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 22 2023 21:53 utc | 151

Well they’re white, they got the internet and they ain’t muslim so they got that going for them. There’s lots of work in the escort business and titty bars. Other than that look to Libya, Syria and Afghanistan to see their future.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 22 2023 21:53 utc | 152

” I have heard that the number of prisoners now in Russian hands is about 18’000. (Far too late to find it again, – several days ago.) ”
Were these Red Cross numbers because I dont recall hearing about any of the following ?
” Under the Third Geneva Convention, prisoners of war (POW) must be:
Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honor
Able to inform their next of kin and the International Committee of the Red Cross of their capture
Allowed to communicate regularly with relatives and receive packages
Given adequate food, clothing, housing, and medical attention
Paid for work done and not forced to do work that is dangerous, unhealthy, or degrading
Released quickly after conflicts end
Not compelled to give any information except for name, age, rank, and service number
In addition, if wounded or sick on the battlefield, the prisoner will receive help from the International Committee of the Red Cross. ”

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 153

” I have heard that the number of prisoners now in Russian hands is about 18’000. (Far too late to find it again, – several days ago.) ”
Were these Red Cross numbers because I dont recall hearing about any of the following ?
” Under the Third Geneva Convention, prisoners of war (POW) must be:
Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honor
Able to inform their next of kin and the International Committee of the Red Cross of their capture
Allowed to communicate regularly with relatives and receive packages
Given adequate food, clothing, housing, and medical attention
Paid for work done and not forced to do work that is dangerous, unhealthy, or degrading
Released quickly after conflicts end
Not compelled to give any information except for name, age, rank, and service number
In addition, if wounded or sick on the battlefield, the prisoner will receive help from the International Committee of the Red Cross. ”

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 154

1. Destroy Russia
2. Until the last Ukrainian
3. As long as it takes
These are the stated objectives. It has been said over and over and over. It’s not a bluff or a joke it is their plan.
Still today they say Russia must lose.
Ukraine is fucked, Russia is stuck in a nightmare and the west is desperate to hold on to what it’s got.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 155

1. Destroy Russia
2. Until the last Ukrainian
3. As long as it takes
These are the stated objectives. It has been said over and over and over. It’s not a bluff or a joke it is their plan.
Still today they say Russia must lose.
Ukraine is fucked, Russia is stuck in a nightmare and the west is desperate to hold on to what it’s got.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 156

When the business in “killing ruskies” there are no pacifist political party in Germany, never have been and never will be, some things never change in 1.000 years (from the Baltic Crusades and the Teutonic Order)

Posted by: Dave | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 157

When the business in “killing ruskies” there are no pacifist political party in Germany, never have been and never will be, some things never change in 1.000 years (from the Baltic Crusades and the Teutonic Order)

Posted by: Dave | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 158

Excellent piece of work B. It puts everything in perspective, especially the comment that this is a cheap war for the US.
This is a multi generational crisis for Ukraine and ultimately Europe. Nothing has been learnt from history on the continent of Europe.
Peace and prosperity from Siberia to Portugal was not very long ago a slight possibility.
Once again the city of London has destroyed the lives of millions and created long lasting hatred between countries on the continent.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 22 2023 19:00 utc | 22
A CHEAP WAR FOR THE U.S. ??
From Wolf Richter, “the iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF [TLT], which focuses on U.S. Treasury bonds with a maturity of 20 years or more, fell 2.6% today and has plunged by 47% (!!!!!!) from the peak in August 2020. If long-term interest rates continue to rise, the price will continue to fall.
Spending money you do not have, borrowing to fill the increasing gap between reckless desires and ability to pay has come home to roost. Russia’s greatest asset, and Russia has many, is de facto the U.S. continuing to live in Disneyland.
There are $ Trillions of U.S. paper Promises that have the 47% discounts. No “mark to market (current value)” Just hold for 20 or 30 years and pretend you will be made whole before you are dead.
Sorry. The U.S. cannot afford the Ukraine War, and soon the U.S will not be able to afford the interest on her debt. Alternatively, they could fire Powell, put the Printing Press in high gear, and do a Weimar Republic.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 22 2023 22:02 utc | 159

Excellent piece of work B. It puts everything in perspective, especially the comment that this is a cheap war for the US.
This is a multi generational crisis for Ukraine and ultimately Europe. Nothing has been learnt from history on the continent of Europe.
Peace and prosperity from Siberia to Portugal was not very long ago a slight possibility.
Once again the city of London has destroyed the lives of millions and created long lasting hatred between countries on the continent.
Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 22 2023 19:00 utc | 22
A CHEAP WAR FOR THE U.S. ??
From Wolf Richter, “the iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF [TLT], which focuses on U.S. Treasury bonds with a maturity of 20 years or more, fell 2.6% today and has plunged by 47% (!!!!!!) from the peak in August 2020. If long-term interest rates continue to rise, the price will continue to fall.
Spending money you do not have, borrowing to fill the increasing gap between reckless desires and ability to pay has come home to roost. Russia’s greatest asset, and Russia has many, is de facto the U.S. continuing to live in Disneyland.
There are $ Trillions of U.S. paper Promises that have the 47% discounts. No “mark to market (current value)” Just hold for 20 or 30 years and pretend you will be made whole before you are dead.
Sorry. The U.S. cannot afford the Ukraine War, and soon the U.S will not be able to afford the interest on her debt. Alternatively, they could fire Powell, put the Printing Press in high gear, and do a Weimar Republic.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 22 2023 22:02 utc | 160

RE: “Quite clear. They are not afraid of Russia any more. The escalation continues…”
Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 21:06 utc | 68
“anymore”?? They never were. It’s why they took this path to begin with. They’re not capable of “fear”. And “consequences” are always someone else’s to pay. It doesn’t occur to them and they don’t care if the world burns. In their minds, they’re sipping wine & texting, it’s just another day. Someone else is dying.. someone else’s building is collapsing, someone else is being bombed.
What do they have to fear?
For irrational minds, the rational makes no sense to them.
All that Russia has to decide, is when does it get dangerous enough, that he must risk a few million of Russian lives to put this rabid dog down for good and save the rest of his Country? I’m guessing every sub and every available ally is on standby.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2023 22:05 utc | 161

RE: “Quite clear. They are not afraid of Russia any more. The escalation continues…”
Posted by: simplex | Sep 22 2023 21:06 utc | 68
“anymore”?? They never were. It’s why they took this path to begin with. They’re not capable of “fear”. And “consequences” are always someone else’s to pay. It doesn’t occur to them and they don’t care if the world burns. In their minds, they’re sipping wine & texting, it’s just another day. Someone else is dying.. someone else’s building is collapsing, someone else is being bombed.
What do they have to fear?
For irrational minds, the rational makes no sense to them.
All that Russia has to decide, is when does it get dangerous enough, that he must risk a few million of Russian lives to put this rabid dog down for good and save the rest of his Country? I’m guessing every sub and every available ally is on standby.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 22 2023 22:05 utc | 162

A thought From “Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2023 20:59 utc | 65 “
Well that is the crux of the matter with regards to Europe. With the US cannibalising and exploiting its vassals , US-associated LNG has increased in Europe. Russian LNG sales to Europe are also increasing. We are also told that the US wants a Cold War II scenario with two different trading blocks. Ie a destruction of Globalism ,now that the US does not profit from it much in relative terms to China etc.
So where will the EU go? I can’t see the US allowing Russian LNG exports to the EU in the long term as it will make the EU reliant on Russian gas again. What can/will the US do?

Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 22 2023 22:05 utc | 163

A thought From “Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2023 20:59 utc | 65 “
Well that is the crux of the matter with regards to Europe. With the US cannibalising and exploiting its vassals , US-associated LNG has increased in Europe. Russian LNG sales to Europe are also increasing. We are also told that the US wants a Cold War II scenario with two different trading blocks. Ie a destruction of Globalism ,now that the US does not profit from it much in relative terms to China etc.
So where will the EU go? I can’t see the US allowing Russian LNG exports to the EU in the long term as it will make the EU reliant on Russian gas again. What can/will the US do?

Posted by: Wondrous | Sep 22 2023 22:05 utc | 164

I can’t help but think that if the Ukies hadn’t been such assholes and abused and murdered their Russian, Hungarian, and Roma speaking neighbors, we wouldn’t be here. I can’t help but think that if the Ukies hadn’t been such consummate greedy idiots with the notion that they could suck up to the EU and they’d be able to get plenty of money for nothin’ and the chicks are free, we wouldn’t be here. Somebody needs to tell the z-man that when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging. Sadly, it seems that Ukies in general and the Z-man in specific aren’t very bright. Which is sad.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Sep 22 2023 22:13 utc | 165

I can’t help but think that if the Ukies hadn’t been such assholes and abused and murdered their Russian, Hungarian, and Roma speaking neighbors, we wouldn’t be here. I can’t help but think that if the Ukies hadn’t been such consummate greedy idiots with the notion that they could suck up to the EU and they’d be able to get plenty of money for nothin’ and the chicks are free, we wouldn’t be here. Somebody needs to tell the z-man that when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging. Sadly, it seems that Ukies in general and the Z-man in specific aren’t very bright. Which is sad.

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Sep 22 2023 22:13 utc | 166

Posted by: Milites | Sep 22 2023 19:25 utc
The enormous numbers of casualties in The Great Patriotic War led , of course, to ingenious developments such as the
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilizarov_apparatus
which was subsequently expanded to deal with many natural conditions and injuries, to the utter amazement of Western “specialists” when they became aware of it…
Needs must, aka
Necessity truly is the Mother of Invention,

Posted by: Cortes | Sep 22 2023 22:13 utc | 167

Posted by: Milites | Sep 22 2023 19:25 utc
The enormous numbers of casualties in The Great Patriotic War led , of course, to ingenious developments such as the
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilizarov_apparatus
which was subsequently expanded to deal with many natural conditions and injuries, to the utter amazement of Western “specialists” when they became aware of it…
Needs must, aka
Necessity truly is the Mother of Invention,

Posted by: Cortes | Sep 22 2023 22:13 utc | 168

1. Destroy Russia
2. Until the last Ukrainian
3. As long as it takes
Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 79
4. The wealthy control the political system
“Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America nor, for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy”
― Hermann Göring
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8381-naturally-the-common-people-don-t-want-war-neither-in-russia

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 22 2023 22:16 utc | 169

1. Destroy Russia
2. Until the last Ukrainian
3. As long as it takes
Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 79
4. The wealthy control the political system
“Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America nor, for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy”
― Hermann Göring
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8381-naturally-the-common-people-don-t-want-war-neither-in-russia

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 22 2023 22:16 utc | 170

Were these Red Cross numbers because I dont recall hearing about any of the following ?
” Under the Third Geneva Convention, prisoners of war (POW) must be:
Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honor
Able to inform their next of kin and the International Committee of the Red Cross of their capture
Allowed to communicate regularly with relatives and receive packages
Given adequate food, clothing, housing, and medical attention
Shocked…

My dear Shocked…. are you aware…. that the Ukies castrate Russian POWs….
That the Ukies shoot wounded Russian POWs
That the Ukies beat Russian POWs to death….
That the Ukies call the loved ones of Russian POWs for the purpose of extorting $$ from them…
That the ICRC cares not one whit for Russian POWs…
Have your breasts become bruised from beating it over the mis treatment of Russian POWs???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 22:17 utc | 171

Were these Red Cross numbers because I dont recall hearing about any of the following ?
” Under the Third Geneva Convention, prisoners of war (POW) must be:
Treated humanely with respect for their persons and their honor
Able to inform their next of kin and the International Committee of the Red Cross of their capture
Allowed to communicate regularly with relatives and receive packages
Given adequate food, clothing, housing, and medical attention
Shocked…

My dear Shocked…. are you aware…. that the Ukies castrate Russian POWs….
That the Ukies shoot wounded Russian POWs
That the Ukies beat Russian POWs to death….
That the Ukies call the loved ones of Russian POWs for the purpose of extorting $$ from them…
That the ICRC cares not one whit for Russian POWs…
Have your breasts become bruised from beating it over the mis treatment of Russian POWs???
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 22:17 utc | 172

My basic calc at the start of the war was 35million Ukrainians vs 140million Russians. No way Ukraine could win if Russia was serious. All the weapons sent to the proxy could never win the war. Nothing but death and injuries. Now the corrupt Clintons and Pritzker are going takes $billions sent to U to “rebuild”. The US corruption never ends.

Posted by: Cyclingnut | Sep 22 2023 22:19 utc | 173

My basic calc at the start of the war was 35million Ukrainians vs 140million Russians. No way Ukraine could win if Russia was serious. All the weapons sent to the proxy could never win the war. Nothing but death and injuries. Now the corrupt Clintons and Pritzker are going takes $billions sent to U to “rebuild”. The US corruption never ends.

Posted by: Cyclingnut | Sep 22 2023 22:19 utc | 174

@ English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:17 utc | 9 and @7
thanks eo! great posts.. i always look for your input.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Sep 22 2023 22:24 utc | 175

@ English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:17 utc | 9 and @7
thanks eo! great posts.. i always look for your input.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Sep 22 2023 22:24 utc | 176

Now there is another way of viewing the Prigozhin affair.
During April of 2023, Prigozhin, and co-conspirators in the Russian Ministry of Defense, organized what appeared to be a serious dispute between them, although, as one might expect, it was never exactly clear what this dispute was about. This sowing of discord was to provide a plausible excuse to completely withdraw the Wagner group from Bakhmut (the town the Russians call Artyomovsk) as the Ukrainians were losing badly to the Wagner fighters.
On April 30 Prigozhin (the Wagner spokesperson, often incorrectly called the head of the group) accused the country’s military leaders of “high treason” for not providing his group with ammunition, and threatened to withdraw Wagner from Bakhmut if it didn’t receive more ammunition.
On May 5 Prigozhin stated that Wagner would pull out of Bakhmut on May 10. He stated this even though he had recently predicted that the (long delayed) Ukrainian counter-offensive would begin by 15 May. Thus, it is was somewhat likely, according to him, that the Ukrainian counter-offensive would occur after Wagner had been withdrawn, or as Wagner was being withdrawn. A Russian Patriot could hardly have missed that this might occur, and would not have planned a May 10 pullout. Yet Prigozhin does not even notice the problem. It is evidently not a concern of his.
In the evening of the next day the Ministry of Defense promised that the Wagner group would get all the arms they needed. Not having a sufficient excuse to pull Wagner fighters out, they stay, and fight, until May 20, when Wagner declared victory in Bakhmut. However, what was victory in Bakhmut? Victory in Bakhmut was simply the pushing of the Ukrainian army out of the contiguous suburbs of Bakhmut into the area west and south-west of the city. So, victory in Bakhmut, left intact most of the army that had been in Bakhmut, only now it was positioned west and south-west of the city, where much of it remains to this day. So even though we are told that the fight in Bakhmut is over, it actually still goes on.
On May 25 Wagner began their withdrawal from Bakhmut, and the transfer of positions to the Russian army. This was completed by June 1. So, the traitor Prigozhin had been able to arrange for Wagner fighters to be completely withdrawn and replaced by supposedly less capable forces. Not only that, but the Wagner forces left no fortified lines. These had to be cobbled together by the replacement forces and held against the entire Ukrainian army that had withdrawn from Bakhmut, and was now west, and south-west, of the city. This they were able to do. See this short video by Alexander Mercouris. Wagner’s withdrawal let the pressure off the remaining Ukrainian forces giving them time to stabilize their defenses and plan future offenses. This is a similar strategy to that used by the traitor Surovikin at Kherson, and east of Kharkov. In one case you win the battle for the enemy by ordering your own troops to withdraw. In the other, you have the enemy escape defeat, by ordering your own troops to withdraw.

Posted by: darling | Sep 22 2023 22:31 utc | 177

Now there is another way of viewing the Prigozhin affair.
During April of 2023, Prigozhin, and co-conspirators in the Russian Ministry of Defense, organized what appeared to be a serious dispute between them, although, as one might expect, it was never exactly clear what this dispute was about. This sowing of discord was to provide a plausible excuse to completely withdraw the Wagner group from Bakhmut (the town the Russians call Artyomovsk) as the Ukrainians were losing badly to the Wagner fighters.
On April 30 Prigozhin (the Wagner spokesperson, often incorrectly called the head of the group) accused the country’s military leaders of “high treason” for not providing his group with ammunition, and threatened to withdraw Wagner from Bakhmut if it didn’t receive more ammunition.
On May 5 Prigozhin stated that Wagner would pull out of Bakhmut on May 10. He stated this even though he had recently predicted that the (long delayed) Ukrainian counter-offensive would begin by 15 May. Thus, it is was somewhat likely, according to him, that the Ukrainian counter-offensive would occur after Wagner had been withdrawn, or as Wagner was being withdrawn. A Russian Patriot could hardly have missed that this might occur, and would not have planned a May 10 pullout. Yet Prigozhin does not even notice the problem. It is evidently not a concern of his.
In the evening of the next day the Ministry of Defense promised that the Wagner group would get all the arms they needed. Not having a sufficient excuse to pull Wagner fighters out, they stay, and fight, until May 20, when Wagner declared victory in Bakhmut. However, what was victory in Bakhmut? Victory in Bakhmut was simply the pushing of the Ukrainian army out of the contiguous suburbs of Bakhmut into the area west and south-west of the city. So, victory in Bakhmut, left intact most of the army that had been in Bakhmut, only now it was positioned west and south-west of the city, where much of it remains to this day. So even though we are told that the fight in Bakhmut is over, it actually still goes on.
On May 25 Wagner began their withdrawal from Bakhmut, and the transfer of positions to the Russian army. This was completed by June 1. So, the traitor Prigozhin had been able to arrange for Wagner fighters to be completely withdrawn and replaced by supposedly less capable forces. Not only that, but the Wagner forces left no fortified lines. These had to be cobbled together by the replacement forces and held against the entire Ukrainian army that had withdrawn from Bakhmut, and was now west, and south-west, of the city. This they were able to do. See this short video by Alexander Mercouris. Wagner’s withdrawal let the pressure off the remaining Ukrainian forces giving them time to stabilize their defenses and plan future offenses. This is a similar strategy to that used by the traitor Surovikin at Kherson, and east of Kharkov. In one case you win the battle for the enemy by ordering your own troops to withdraw. In the other, you have the enemy escape defeat, by ordering your own troops to withdraw.

Posted by: darling | Sep 22 2023 22:31 utc | 178

I pass my comment to Mick Wallace Irish MEP
How do you sleep at night??! – MEP Mick Wallace- speech from 19 Sep 2023
16 mins … worth it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QChtzNTaO3o&t=5s

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 22 2023 22:41 utc | 179

I pass my comment to Mick Wallace Irish MEP
How do you sleep at night??! – MEP Mick Wallace- speech from 19 Sep 2023
16 mins … worth it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QChtzNTaO3o&t=5s

Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 22 2023 22:41 utc | 180

james | Sep 22 2023 18:23 utc | 12 “man… this is so so sad…………. all for usa imperialism… what a complete waste and disaster..”
james, I got an insight into this when my sister came to visit for a short time. In most things she is a completely rational person but on geo-politics she is completely irrational – hysterical is more the right term. I will write more about that another time if I can, but the basis is that she makes decisions based on her emotions and has no interest in facts nor history nor the cause of conflict. She told me that herself. She has taken on anglo war propaganda and demonization of target nations and their leaders with a religious conviction. Xi and Putin are utterly evil ect.
Those of us here see those under the influence of the American pied piper being led to their destruction and it occurs time after time in the American/anglo quest for expanded and continued world dominance.
For me, I have watched friends and family all come under the influence of the American pied piper and it is lie watching the little children being led away. Australia’s time is nearly here. As per b’s last article, this looks to be the turning point in the war against Russia with the failure of the vaunted offensive. Poland turning against Ukraine marks a major turning point. American voices to launch the war against China are getting stronger.That will lead to at the very least the destruction of the Australian economy though that is now being systematically looted by the Americans as as Australians fearfully watch the non existent threat of China.
Racism – the fear of ‘those others’. Once analysed it is the fear of the unknown, like a fear of the dark. Humans unlike predators in the natural world do not have good night vision so that is likely part of our pre-programmed character we are born with and for good reason.
Fear of people with a different language or different culture that is not understood is I think the basis for underlying racism and this is what the American propaganda preys on. This also is I think why US/UK have worked with the Ukraine nazi’s to create a fictional culture and history which will separate Ukraine from Russia and create racism or at least the atmosphere for racism (the fear of ‘those others’) to germinate and thrive.
The Russia China joint statement marked the historical changing of and era, this blink of a historical eye in which the anglo world had dominated the globe. Before this is over, many – like the Ukrainians – will be led by the American pied piper to either physical or at best financial destruction. As you say with the Ukrainians – sad – but due to human nature also inevitable.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2023 22:45 utc | 181

james | Sep 22 2023 18:23 utc | 12 “man… this is so so sad…………. all for usa imperialism… what a complete waste and disaster..”
james, I got an insight into this when my sister came to visit for a short time. In most things she is a completely rational person but on geo-politics she is completely irrational – hysterical is more the right term. I will write more about that another time if I can, but the basis is that she makes decisions based on her emotions and has no interest in facts nor history nor the cause of conflict. She told me that herself. She has taken on anglo war propaganda and demonization of target nations and their leaders with a religious conviction. Xi and Putin are utterly evil ect.
Those of us here see those under the influence of the American pied piper being led to their destruction and it occurs time after time in the American/anglo quest for expanded and continued world dominance.
For me, I have watched friends and family all come under the influence of the American pied piper and it is lie watching the little children being led away. Australia’s time is nearly here. As per b’s last article, this looks to be the turning point in the war against Russia with the failure of the vaunted offensive. Poland turning against Ukraine marks a major turning point. American voices to launch the war against China are getting stronger.That will lead to at the very least the destruction of the Australian economy though that is now being systematically looted by the Americans as as Australians fearfully watch the non existent threat of China.
Racism – the fear of ‘those others’. Once analysed it is the fear of the unknown, like a fear of the dark. Humans unlike predators in the natural world do not have good night vision so that is likely part of our pre-programmed character we are born with and for good reason.
Fear of people with a different language or different culture that is not understood is I think the basis for underlying racism and this is what the American propaganda preys on. This also is I think why US/UK have worked with the Ukraine nazi’s to create a fictional culture and history which will separate Ukraine from Russia and create racism or at least the atmosphere for racism (the fear of ‘those others’) to germinate and thrive.
The Russia China joint statement marked the historical changing of and era, this blink of a historical eye in which the anglo world had dominated the globe. Before this is over, many – like the Ukrainians – will be led by the American pied piper to either physical or at best financial destruction. As you say with the Ukrainians – sad – but due to human nature also inevitable.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2023 22:45 utc | 182

” My dear Shocked…. are you aware…. that the Ukies castrate Russian POWs….
That the Ukies shoot wounded Russian POWs
That the Ukies beat Russian POWs to death….
That the Ukies call the loved ones of Russian POWs for the purpose of extorting $$ from them…
That the ICRC cares not one whit for Russian POWs…
Have your breasts become bruised from beating it over the mis treatment of Russian POWs???
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 22:17 utc | 87 ”
You’re being emotional as we all know about the atrocities.
My question is ” Where is the international Red Cross ” as required by Geneva conventions ? Where are the letters home from the Ukie prisoners ? Where are the Red Cross visits to camps, on both sides ? Why are there video ” confessions ” from both the Ukie and Russian sides when POW’s cant be forced to talk ? So forth and so on.

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 22 2023 22:52 utc | 183

” My dear Shocked…. are you aware…. that the Ukies castrate Russian POWs….
That the Ukies shoot wounded Russian POWs
That the Ukies beat Russian POWs to death….
That the Ukies call the loved ones of Russian POWs for the purpose of extorting $$ from them…
That the ICRC cares not one whit for Russian POWs…
Have your breasts become bruised from beating it over the mis treatment of Russian POWs???
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 22 2023 22:17 utc | 87 ”
You’re being emotional as we all know about the atrocities.
My question is ” Where is the international Red Cross ” as required by Geneva conventions ? Where are the letters home from the Ukie prisoners ? Where are the Red Cross visits to camps, on both sides ? Why are there video ” confessions ” from both the Ukie and Russian sides when POW’s cant be forced to talk ? So forth and so on.

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 22 2023 22:52 utc | 184

We know (surely?) that the ‘Libyanization’ of Ukraine was plan B. It suits the USA to have a failed black hole festering in the heart of Europe. So there will be a rebuild—by Russia, after which Ukraine will join the Federation.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 22 2023 22:55 utc | 185

We know (surely?) that the ‘Libyanization’ of Ukraine was plan B. It suits the USA to have a failed black hole festering in the heart of Europe. So there will be a rebuild—by Russia, after which Ukraine will join the Federation.

Posted by: Patroklos | Sep 22 2023 22:55 utc | 186

Posted by: oracle | Sep 22 2023 21:19 utc | 70
Most of the migrants at the moment are from Venezuela. Prior to about last year, very few (and I mean a TINY number of) Venezuelans made the journey. Pray tell, what happened to Venezuela between the years of 2016 and 2020 that might have wrecked their economy in ways that not even Shrub or the neocons in the Obama administration could accomplish in their own wildest dreams? I say send the migrants to Mar-a-Lago and the children of all Trump and Obama administration lackeys to the front lines in Ukraine.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 22 2023 22:56 utc | 187

Posted by: oracle | Sep 22 2023 21:19 utc | 70
Most of the migrants at the moment are from Venezuela. Prior to about last year, very few (and I mean a TINY number of) Venezuelans made the journey. Pray tell, what happened to Venezuela between the years of 2016 and 2020 that might have wrecked their economy in ways that not even Shrub or the neocons in the Obama administration could accomplish in their own wildest dreams? I say send the migrants to Mar-a-Lago and the children of all Trump and Obama administration lackeys to the front lines in Ukraine.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 22 2023 22:56 utc | 188

^^^How could I have forgotten Shrub and Darth Cheney’s people too?
Almost all of the migrants from any Central/South American country are fleeing right-wing Democrat and righter-wing Republican policies to crush reforms in their countries, especially of the left-leaning type.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 22 2023 22:58 utc | 189

^^^How could I have forgotten Shrub and Darth Cheney’s people too?
Almost all of the migrants from any Central/South American country are fleeing right-wing Democrat and righter-wing Republican policies to crush reforms in their countries, especially of the left-leaning type.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Sep 22 2023 22:58 utc | 190

Killed Ukrainians
https://t.me/xoxol_uk/17345
https://t.me/chub_detection/13769
Captured Ukrainians
https://t.me/xoxol_uk/17367
https://t.me/xoxol_uk/17373

Posted by: Crazy idiot | Sep 22 2023 22:59 utc | 191

Killed Ukrainians
https://t.me/xoxol_uk/17345
https://t.me/chub_detection/13769
Captured Ukrainians
https://t.me/xoxol_uk/17367
https://t.me/xoxol_uk/17373

Posted by: Crazy idiot | Sep 22 2023 22:59 utc | 192

English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:09 utc | 6
In attacking Russia through Ukraine, the west crossed the Rubicon. Nato defeat in Ukraine will begin the disintegration of Nato which I believe is Russia’s main goal. Defeat in Ukraine also destroys the the political futures of the current batch of European bobbling heads ‘leaders’ in Europe. With defeat in Ukraine, many of these will be replaced by leaderships that will try to mend fences sufficiently with Russia to restore cheap and reliable energy supply. The Americans and British realized this long ago which is why they destroyed nordstream.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2023 23:02 utc | 193

English Outsider | Sep 22 2023 18:09 utc | 6
In attacking Russia through Ukraine, the west crossed the Rubicon. Nato defeat in Ukraine will begin the disintegration of Nato which I believe is Russia’s main goal. Defeat in Ukraine also destroys the the political futures of the current batch of European bobbling heads ‘leaders’ in Europe. With defeat in Ukraine, many of these will be replaced by leaderships that will try to mend fences sufficiently with Russia to restore cheap and reliable energy supply. The Americans and British realized this long ago which is why they destroyed nordstream.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2023 23:02 utc | 194

Ukraine is fucked, Russia is stuck in a nightmare and the west is desperate to hold on to what it’s got.
Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 79
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If you call a growing economy, stronger world diplomatic position, and the most advanced ground army a nightmare …
You don’t understand Slavs. Many Russians are elated at how things have gone since the start of the SMO.
Sure, some crybabies complain about a drone strike or three on Moscow, but that’s really just the cost of doing business. That business is reshaping the world order away from unipolarity and towards a multi-polar order with Russia as one of the principal architects.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 22 2023 23:04 utc | 195

Ukraine is fucked, Russia is stuck in a nightmare and the west is desperate to hold on to what it’s got.
Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 22 2023 21:58 utc | 79
##############
If you call a growing economy, stronger world diplomatic position, and the most advanced ground army a nightmare …
You don’t understand Slavs. Many Russians are elated at how things have gone since the start of the SMO.
Sure, some crybabies complain about a drone strike or three on Moscow, but that’s really just the cost of doing business. That business is reshaping the world order away from unipolarity and towards a multi-polar order with Russia as one of the principal architects.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 22 2023 23:04 utc | 196

Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2023 22:45 utc | 92–
Hi Peter! It’s good to read your writing again! I know you’ve talked about your sister before. In this example, you’re proving that rational people are still capable of ignorance, and it’s ignorance that fuels the fear of the unknown for you’re not afraid of something you know. Sure, you might be fearful of certain snakes because you know they’re dangerous, or you could fear all snakes because you’re ignorant and don’t/can’t tell the good ones from the dangerous ones. Same goes with spiders. My wife knows that she hates all spiders and has no interest in discovering their differences, yet she’s a very rational person.
I just wrote a long answer to a commenter at my substack asking how we can keep the bad actors from gaining power. Again, one of the main factors is ignorance of the citizen’s duties which exist but few know because they’re never taught. Writing on this the following question was raised in my mind: Is it rational to be ignorant, or is ignorance rational? Can Bliss really be attained by not knowing a great many things? Or can not knowing be deadly?
Tough, those questions. Good to have your words to read to prompt such questions.
My Best Mate!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2023 23:12 utc | 197

Peter AU1 | Sep 22 2023 22:45 utc | 92–
Hi Peter! It’s good to read your writing again! I know you’ve talked about your sister before. In this example, you’re proving that rational people are still capable of ignorance, and it’s ignorance that fuels the fear of the unknown for you’re not afraid of something you know. Sure, you might be fearful of certain snakes because you know they’re dangerous, or you could fear all snakes because you’re ignorant and don’t/can’t tell the good ones from the dangerous ones. Same goes with spiders. My wife knows that she hates all spiders and has no interest in discovering their differences, yet she’s a very rational person.
I just wrote a long answer to a commenter at my substack asking how we can keep the bad actors from gaining power. Again, one of the main factors is ignorance of the citizen’s duties which exist but few know because they’re never taught. Writing on this the following question was raised in my mind: Is it rational to be ignorant, or is ignorance rational? Can Bliss really be attained by not knowing a great many things? Or can not knowing be deadly?
Tough, those questions. Good to have your words to read to prompt such questions.
My Best Mate!

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 22 2023 23:12 utc | 198

The depletion of the Russian-speaking population of the world continues swimmingly.
Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
Yeh…you worthless prick Soothsayer. And it was russia that bombed the market killing 16 civilians! Lol. You and your Nafoids are a set delusional bastards who reeally dont deserve the opportunity B gives you to spout your kiev orc propoganda on Moon of Alabama.
But then again, I suppose you give us all a little chuckle knowing how brain dead you and the nafoids are. You appear vto be living in a hollywood movie….all of you!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 22 2023 23:13 utc | 199

The depletion of the Russian-speaking population of the world continues swimmingly.
Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 22 2023 18:16 utc | 8
Yeh…you worthless prick Soothsayer. And it was russia that bombed the market killing 16 civilians! Lol. You and your Nafoids are a set delusional bastards who reeally dont deserve the opportunity B gives you to spout your kiev orc propoganda on Moon of Alabama.
But then again, I suppose you give us all a little chuckle knowing how brain dead you and the nafoids are. You appear vto be living in a hollywood movie….all of you!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 22 2023 23:13 utc | 200