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September 25, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Battlefield Reports Show Lack Of Armor And Certain Munitions

Certain trends on the Ukrainian battle field can be seen in the daily reports the Russian military puts outs.

When the Ukrainian president Zelensky visited Washington he was criticized for his failing military strategy:

Ukraine will retake the fiercely contested eastern city of Bakhmut from Russia by the end of the year, President Volodymyr Zelensky predicted during his visit to Washington, an assertion that shows the gulf between Kyiv and American war planners who believe that Ukraine should be focusing more on the south.

U.S. intelligence and military officials have long questioned why Ukraine has fought so hard in Bakhmut, the scene of one of the bloodiest battles of the war. In March, Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III said the city was “more of a symbolic value than it is strategic and operational value.”

But Mr. Zelensky has been intent on trying to retake lost territory, and Ukraine has committed large numbers of troops and weapons to retaking Bakhmut and defending the surrounding Donbas region.

Some American officials say the fight in Bakhmut has become something of an obsession for Mr. Zelensky and his military leaders. The Ukrainians’ relentless focus on the city led them to believe that a possible victory was just around the corner, long after American officials had counseled them to move on to other targets because victory for either side would be pyrrhic.

I somewhat agree with U.S. officials on Bakhmut. It no longer has any strategic value for the Ukraine and its army is losing many soldiers and equipment in its continuing attacks there. In fact it is currently losing many more around Bakhmut than it is losing in its southern attack towards the Sea of Azov.

Today's report by the Russian Ministry of Defense lists 445 Ukrainian casualties in the Donetzk direction, mostly around Bakhmut, and only 100 casualties on the Zaporozhye front in the south. Yesterday's report had 305 versus 35. Last week's summary listed 1,455 Ukrainian troops killed and wounded around Bakhmut and 515 in the southern direction. There was no discernible progress in either direction.

Another trend noticeable in the daily reports is an increasing Ukrainian lack of armored vehicles.

A month ago the reported destruction of armored vehicles (including tanks) and unarmored trucks and pick-ups was still somewhat equal with, depending on the intensity of fighting, some 10-20 of both being destroyed per day. This has been the case since early March. My spreadsheet derived from the daily reports since March 2 sums up a total of 3,663 armored versus 3,600 unarmored vehicles as Ukrainian losses.

Over the last weeks that ratio has changed. Today the report says 12 armored versus 20 unarmored rides. Yesterday the ratio was 7 to 19. Last week's summary lists 84 armored versus 145 unarmored vehicles. Over the last 30 days the numbers are 419 armored versus 632 unarmored.

The ratio has not changed due to tactics. The first counter-offensive movements with high concentrations of tanks have failed. But those were only a few days with high armor losses. Ukraine has since emphasized infantry attacks. But the soldiers must still be transported towards their frontline positions. It is what armored vehicles, also called battle taxis, are used for as the frontline is usually under strong artillery fire. But it now seems that trucks and pick-ups are also used for this. They do not have a chance to survive under fire.

The lack of armor is likely caused by Russian kamikaze drones who are hunting down any single ride they can find. Replenishment from the West, which is running out of reserve vehicles, is no longer enough to replace what the Ukrainian army is losing on the battlefield.

Another trend can be seen in the type of Ukrainian artillery that the daily reports claim as destroyed. The Soviet era 152mm howitzer D-20 and MSTA-B as well as the self propelled 152mm Akatzíya are becoming less mentioned. There are now higher losses of 122mm D-30 and the self propelled 122mm 2S1 Gvodzdika. The bigger guns could reach further. Their diminishing numbers have been replaced by western derived 155 mm guns like the British made M-777 howitzer and various types of western self propelled 155mm howitzers like the Polish Krab systems. The daily reports show increasing losses of those. Losses of Soviet era Multi Launch Rocket Systems like the truck mounted Grad system have become a rarity on the Ukrainian side.

The observable change in destroyed guns likely reflects the availability of ammunition, or rather the lack of it. In February the New York Times reported that the production of 122mm ammunition in Bulgaria has been increased:

The factory stopped making the 122-millimeter shells in 1988 as the Cold War came to a close. But soon the assembly lines will be running again. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has turned Soviet-era arms and ammunition into critically important matériel as Western nations seek to supply Ukraine with the munitions it needs to foil Moscow’s assault.

And so in January, 35 years after the last 122-millimeter shells left the Terem plant, the company recommissioned production.

I have seen no such reports for a 152 mm production line. Nor can I find any report about the production of Grad missiles. The systems which use those no longer appear on the battlefield as they have become useless.

While probably not exact in their numbers the daily reports by the Russian Ministry of Defense do show certain trends on the battle field that  reflect the economic and logistic realities of the war quite well.

The overall high number of Ukrainian human losses in these reports, especially in the Bakhmut direction, have been confirmed by reports from the Ukrainian side. Videos also show that the Ukrainian side is using fewer armored vehicles and more trucks or even civilian vehicles. The losses of artillery pieces reflect the reported availability of certain types of ammunition.

Following the daily Russian reports is quite useful. I wonder why western media are not doing it.

Comments

Seems the Ukies and their Western allies got a bit too predictable for the Russians with their attacks on Crimea, a basic pattern of:
1. Global Hawk goes up to monitor Crimea
2. Ukies launch drone/missile attack to use up the Russian AA missiles
3. Coordinated attack on Crimea
Russia waited for 1 and 2, and then attacked themselves on the Ukie launch bases and intelligence sites (e.g. a hotel in Odessa housing a lot of Western intel folks). The Ukies had to cancel 3.
Military Summary Channel covers it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYI2-xHuddc

Posted by: Roger | Sep 25 2023 16:43 utc | 1

Seems the Ukies and their Western allies got a bit too predictable for the Russians with their attacks on Crimea, a basic pattern of:
1. Global Hawk goes up to monitor Crimea
2. Ukies launch drone/missile attack to use up the Russian AA missiles
3. Coordinated attack on Crimea
Russia waited for 1 and 2, and then attacked themselves on the Ukie launch bases and intelligence sites (e.g. a hotel in Odessa housing a lot of Western intel folks). The Ukies had to cancel 3.
Military Summary Channel covers it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYI2-xHuddc

Posted by: Roger | Sep 25 2023 16:43 utc | 2

Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland & her band of merry Neocons have no reverse gear:
“More M1 Abrams tanks will be sent in the coming months, the officials said, noting that those that were shipped into Ukrgaine on Saturday represented the first of 31 that the Biden administration has promised to send. The officials would not say how many have been delivered so far.”
https://jamesburrillangell.substack.com/p/strange-diplomacy-victoria-fck-the

Posted by: doim | Sep 25 2023 16:55 utc | 3

Victoria “Fuck the EU” Nuland & her band of merry Neocons have no reverse gear:
“More M1 Abrams tanks will be sent in the coming months, the officials said, noting that those that were shipped into Ukrgaine on Saturday represented the first of 31 that the Biden administration has promised to send. The officials would not say how many have been delivered so far.”
https://jamesburrillangell.substack.com/p/strange-diplomacy-victoria-fck-the

Posted by: doim | Sep 25 2023 16:55 utc | 4

thanks b… and thanks @ 1 roger for that too…

Posted by: james | Sep 25 2023 16:55 utc | 5

thanks b… and thanks @ 1 roger for that too…

Posted by: james | Sep 25 2023 16:55 utc | 6

Come on!!! When Russians captured it u explained by map of it’s importance

Posted by: A.z | Sep 25 2023 17:00 utc | 7

Come on!!! When Russians captured it u explained by map of it’s importance

Posted by: A.z | Sep 25 2023 17:00 utc | 8

Another confirmation of b’s assessment:
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/43303

Ukrainian forces use HIMARS/M270 to hit a Russian antenna.
📍47.392977,35.793944
🧐 This indicates that Ukrainian forces have serious problem when comes to artillery and depends on HIMARS/M270 for almost every target. The antenna is located only around 4.5 km from the frontlines and cost difference is huge (antennas are cheap).

Posted by: xor | Sep 25 2023 17:01 utc | 9

Another confirmation of b’s assessment:
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/43303

Ukrainian forces use HIMARS/M270 to hit a Russian antenna.
📍47.392977,35.793944
🧐 This indicates that Ukrainian forces have serious problem when comes to artillery and depends on HIMARS/M270 for almost every target. The antenna is located only around 4.5 km from the frontlines and cost difference is huge (antennas are cheap).

Posted by: xor | Sep 25 2023 17:01 utc | 10

Following current events is generally a very gloomy and grim affair. The one thing I find cheerful is the US provoked a cowardly proxy war and is going to lose badly.

Posted by: chunga | Sep 25 2023 17:06 utc | 11

Following current events is generally a very gloomy and grim affair. The one thing I find cheerful is the US provoked a cowardly proxy war and is going to lose badly.

Posted by: chunga | Sep 25 2023 17:06 utc | 12

@ chunga | Sep 25 2023 17:06 utc | 7
true……………

Posted by: james | Sep 25 2023 17:07 utc | 13

@ chunga | Sep 25 2023 17:06 utc | 7
true……………

Posted by: james | Sep 25 2023 17:07 utc | 14

@ post 3
I am sure Russia is eagerly awaiting the Abrams arrival so they can add one or two to the growing collection of western War trophies in Patriot’s Park

Posted by: Golddigger | Sep 25 2023 17:12 utc | 15

@ post 3
I am sure Russia is eagerly awaiting the Abrams arrival so they can add one or two to the growing collection of western War trophies in Patriot’s Park

Posted by: Golddigger | Sep 25 2023 17:12 utc | 16

A month ago the reported destruction of armored vehicles (including tanks) and unarmored trucks and pick-ups was still somewhat equal with, depending on the intensity of fighting, some 10-20 of both being destroyed per day. This has been the case since early March. My spreadsheet derived from the daily reports since March 2 sums up a total of 3,663 armored versus 3,600 unarmored vehicles as Ukrainian losses.

The pro-Russian LostArmour.info records a total of 2,309 visually confirmed losses since the beginning of the invasion (destroyed, disabled without recovery or captured) for Ukrainian armoured vehicles, so I do find it somewhat amusing that b comes up with the figure of 3,663 since March of this year based on Russian MoD reports. It is little wonder that some come to the conclusion that the AFU is on the verge of collapse any day now, Konashenkov has after all claimed to have destroyed the whole Ukrainian air force many times over. Keeping a spreadsheet based on what he says is only useful for later mocking the RuMoD, not using their figures unironically.
Losses of armored vehicles of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the Special Military Operation by month according to LOSTARMOUR.INFO
Interestingly, Oryx actually shows Ukrainian losses to be higher than the pro-Russian LostArmour resource.

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 17:15 utc | 17

A month ago the reported destruction of armored vehicles (including tanks) and unarmored trucks and pick-ups was still somewhat equal with, depending on the intensity of fighting, some 10-20 of both being destroyed per day. This has been the case since early March. My spreadsheet derived from the daily reports since March 2 sums up a total of 3,663 armored versus 3,600 unarmored vehicles as Ukrainian losses.

The pro-Russian LostArmour.info records a total of 2,309 visually confirmed losses since the beginning of the invasion (destroyed, disabled without recovery or captured) for Ukrainian armoured vehicles, so I do find it somewhat amusing that b comes up with the figure of 3,663 since March of this year based on Russian MoD reports. It is little wonder that some come to the conclusion that the AFU is on the verge of collapse any day now, Konashenkov has after all claimed to have destroyed the whole Ukrainian air force many times over. Keeping a spreadsheet based on what he says is only useful for later mocking the RuMoD, not using their figures unironically.
Losses of armored vehicles of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the Special Military Operation by month according to LOSTARMOUR.INFO
Interestingly, Oryx actually shows Ukrainian losses to be higher than the pro-Russian LostArmour resource.

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 17:15 utc | 18

@az Come on!!! When Russians captured it u explained by map of it’s importance
What is important for one side may not be important for the other side.
There is nothing in the strategic picture that would make Bakhmut, now largely destroyed, useful for the Ukrainian side. It is simply not the best use of its stretched resources.
From the Russian viewpoint Bakhmut was the Ukrainian logistic hub for a large front. Taking it out at that time made sense.

Posted by: b | Sep 25 2023 17:19 utc | 19

@az Come on!!! When Russians captured it u explained by map of it’s importance
What is important for one side may not be important for the other side.
There is nothing in the strategic picture that would make Bakhmut, now largely destroyed, useful for the Ukrainian side. It is simply not the best use of its stretched resources.
From the Russian viewpoint Bakhmut was the Ukrainian logistic hub for a large front. Taking it out at that time made sense.

Posted by: b | Sep 25 2023 17:19 utc | 20

I invite your comments on this fact checking exercise.
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-clare-daly-half-million-dead-ukraine-russian-invasion-nato-6177956-Sep2023/

Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2023 17:25 utc | 21

I invite your comments on this fact checking exercise.
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-clare-daly-half-million-dead-ukraine-russian-invasion-nato-6177956-Sep2023/

Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2023 17:25 utc | 22

Following current events is generally a very gloomy and grim affair. The one thing I find cheerful is the US provoked a cowardly proxy war and is going to lose badly.
Posted by: chunga | Sep 25 2023 17:06 utc | 6

How many US military personnel has the US lost in this war? Russia has lost 2870 officers as of September 25, 2023 (open source, real numbers will be higher). Of these we have
1 Lt. Gen
5 Maj. Gen
74 Col
178 Lt. Col
354 Maj
494 Capt
837 Senior Lt
505 Lt
51 Junior Lt
285 retired officers
86 officers of unknown rank
In addition, we have 31,875 obituaries for enlisted and officers found on Russian social media, according to the Goryushko telegram channel which tracks Russian armed forces losses.
As Lindsey Graham said, this is the best money the US has ever spent, which is why the usual anti-American crowd who want America to fall have suddenly become so concerned about the wellbeing of America’s public purse, I’m sure they have the best interest of America and NATO in mind…

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 17:26 utc | 23

Following current events is generally a very gloomy and grim affair. The one thing I find cheerful is the US provoked a cowardly proxy war and is going to lose badly.
Posted by: chunga | Sep 25 2023 17:06 utc | 6

How many US military personnel has the US lost in this war? Russia has lost 2870 officers as of September 25, 2023 (open source, real numbers will be higher). Of these we have
1 Lt. Gen
5 Maj. Gen
74 Col
178 Lt. Col
354 Maj
494 Capt
837 Senior Lt
505 Lt
51 Junior Lt
285 retired officers
86 officers of unknown rank
In addition, we have 31,875 obituaries for enlisted and officers found on Russian social media, according to the Goryushko telegram channel which tracks Russian armed forces losses.
As Lindsey Graham said, this is the best money the US has ever spent, which is why the usual anti-American crowd who want America to fall have suddenly become so concerned about the wellbeing of America’s public purse, I’m sure they have the best interest of America and NATO in mind…

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 17:26 utc | 24

… I have seen no such reports for a 152 mm production line. Nor can I find any report about the production of Grad missiles. …
Perhaps not what you had in mind but Grad rockets and 152mm artillery shells were reportedly supplied to Ukraine by Pakistani defence manufacturers. Not sure if this is ongoing supply or what the total numbers are.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 25 2023 17:31 utc | 25

… I have seen no such reports for a 152 mm production line. Nor can I find any report about the production of Grad missiles. …
Perhaps not what you had in mind but Grad rockets and 152mm artillery shells were reportedly supplied to Ukraine by Pakistani defence manufacturers. Not sure if this is ongoing supply or what the total numbers are.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 25 2023 17:31 utc | 26

@12 – I’m looking big picture. I believe this is existential for the Empire of Lies. Once Russia wins and Europeans have time to digest who destroyed those gas pipes they are going to kick troublemaking Americans out.
Another thing, without the mighty invincible military one cannot have the magic printing press and without the magic printing press one cannot have the mighty invincible military. Russia has PROVED the US military is neither mighty nor invincible. Much of the bloated military budget was simply stolen. As is the habit of Americans.
The world at large sees this plain as day.

Posted by: chunga | Sep 25 2023 17:35 utc | 27

@12 – I’m looking big picture. I believe this is existential for the Empire of Lies. Once Russia wins and Europeans have time to digest who destroyed those gas pipes they are going to kick troublemaking Americans out.
Another thing, without the mighty invincible military one cannot have the magic printing press and without the magic printing press one cannot have the mighty invincible military. Russia has PROVED the US military is neither mighty nor invincible. Much of the bloated military budget was simply stolen. As is the habit of Americans.
The world at large sees this plain as day.

Posted by: chunga | Sep 25 2023 17:35 utc | 28

Bakhmut area has a major rail hub is along a main highway and has hundreds of KM’s of “underground cities”. It absolutely has value. Ukraine and the west screamed over and over about attacking the south but planned a major assault out of Bakhmut, the Russians pointed this about before they launched the assault. It was absolutely devastating for Ukraine to lose.
Cities are great to park on north south roads behind buildings if the enemy is only to the west. It was a major battle of the war and the west did not expect it to happen.

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 25 2023 17:50 utc | 29

Bakhmut area has a major rail hub is along a main highway and has hundreds of KM’s of “underground cities”. It absolutely has value. Ukraine and the west screamed over and over about attacking the south but planned a major assault out of Bakhmut, the Russians pointed this about before they launched the assault. It was absolutely devastating for Ukraine to lose.
Cities are great to park on north south roads behind buildings if the enemy is only to the west. It was a major battle of the war and the west did not expect it to happen.

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 25 2023 17:50 utc | 30

Posted by: Roger | Sep 25 2023 16:43 utc | 1
Some of the stuff that’s going on is so dumb that it’s difficult to credit many of the protagonists with a survival instinct but I seriously doubt that those responsible for this very deliberate strategy of cruise missile attacks had anyone or anything important sitting around in a big fucking shit magnet like the Hotel Odessa complex right after they’d just hit Russia’s fleet HQ.
I don’t know what the solution to these attacks is but it certainly isn’t to be found in pretty generic retaliatory strikes dressed up in feel-good damage assessments.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 25 2023 17:52 utc | 31

Posted by: Roger | Sep 25 2023 16:43 utc | 1
Some of the stuff that’s going on is so dumb that it’s difficult to credit many of the protagonists with a survival instinct but I seriously doubt that those responsible for this very deliberate strategy of cruise missile attacks had anyone or anything important sitting around in a big fucking shit magnet like the Hotel Odessa complex right after they’d just hit Russia’s fleet HQ.
I don’t know what the solution to these attacks is but it certainly isn’t to be found in pretty generic retaliatory strikes dressed up in feel-good damage assessments.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 25 2023 17:52 utc | 32

I haven’t seen any F-16 fantasy hopium for several days now.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 25 2023 17:54 utc | 33

I haven’t seen any F-16 fantasy hopium for several days now.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 25 2023 17:54 utc | 34

Unfortunately, the printed western money would soon be poured into arm production. Bulgaria, Serbia and similar countries are ramping up their shell production for Ukraine.
Kremlin is to to slow while western resources are inexhaustible.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 25 2023 17:54 utc | 35

Unfortunately, the printed western money would soon be poured into arm production. Bulgaria, Serbia and similar countries are ramping up their shell production for Ukraine.
Kremlin is to to slow while western resources are inexhaustible.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 25 2023 17:54 utc | 36

@Soothsayer
LOL! You and your informations from Ukrainian sources again? Try a lot harder! Geeez, you really are a funny Banderite.

Posted by: hes | Sep 25 2023 17:55 utc | 37

@Soothsayer
LOL! You and your informations from Ukrainian sources again? Try a lot harder! Geeez, you really are a funny Banderite.

Posted by: hes | Sep 25 2023 17:55 utc | 38

Soothsayer 12
Yes, the Democrats have finally proved to US and European citizens and RoW 87 % that the US government is totally evil. No other way to do it. Even the Atlantacists are shocked to have tied themselves to the mast of a sinking ship. Why would any European of any calibre forgive the US for bringing this war to Europe?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 25 2023 17:56 utc | 39

Soothsayer 12
Yes, the Democrats have finally proved to US and European citizens and RoW 87 % that the US government is totally evil. No other way to do it. Even the Atlantacists are shocked to have tied themselves to the mast of a sinking ship. Why would any European of any calibre forgive the US for bringing this war to Europe?

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 25 2023 17:56 utc | 40

Fleet HQ
Russian response Hotel Odessa
🤔

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 25 2023 17:59 utc | 41

Fleet HQ
Russian response Hotel Odessa
🤔

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 25 2023 17:59 utc | 42

@soothayer
I don’t believe Ukrainians should die for American benefit any more than I think Americans should. And they are dying while others get rich.
I also don’t want to see America fall. I adore Western culture (although not the slavery/colonialism history). Advancing interests by military means will cause America to to lose its values and collapse from within if not externally from fighting losing wars.

Posted by: WG | Sep 25 2023 18:02 utc | 43

@soothayer
I don’t believe Ukrainians should die for American benefit any more than I think Americans should. And they are dying while others get rich.
I also don’t want to see America fall. I adore Western culture (although not the slavery/colonialism history). Advancing interests by military means will cause America to to lose its values and collapse from within if not externally from fighting losing wars.

Posted by: WG | Sep 25 2023 18:02 utc | 44

Another trend noticeable in the daily reports is an increasing Ukrainian lack of armored vehicles.
The Spring counteroffensive will soon end … during the coming wet season UA will be focused on delivery of long range missiles that could inflict critical damage …
Russia should have enforced a war zone including international airspace to abolish NATO infringement over Black Sea and participating in war through intelligence sharing as we have seen from Iraq-Iran war of the 80s forward.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 25 2023 18:06 utc | 45

Another trend noticeable in the daily reports is an increasing Ukrainian lack of armored vehicles.
The Spring counteroffensive will soon end … during the coming wet season UA will be focused on delivery of long range missiles that could inflict critical damage …
Russia should have enforced a war zone including international airspace to abolish NATO infringement over Black Sea and participating in war through intelligence sharing as we have seen from Iraq-Iran war of the 80s forward.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 25 2023 18:06 utc | 46

It’s terrible, a lot of Ukrainians were killed, why do Ukrainians continue to tolerate this and don’t try to overthrow these assholes with Zelensky? Do they really think of fighting to the last Ukrainian for the sake of the USA and NATO? At this rate, there will be no men left in Ukraine, then how are they going to pay off the endless loans and debts of the West? This is madness.
https://t.me/chub_detection/13893

Posted by: Crazy idiot | Sep 25 2023 18:12 utc | 47

It’s terrible, a lot of Ukrainians were killed, why do Ukrainians continue to tolerate this and don’t try to overthrow these assholes with Zelensky? Do they really think of fighting to the last Ukrainian for the sake of the USA and NATO? At this rate, there will be no men left in Ukraine, then how are they going to pay off the endless loans and debts of the West? This is madness.
https://t.me/chub_detection/13893

Posted by: Crazy idiot | Sep 25 2023 18:12 utc | 48

It’s probable that scarcity of long range 152 and Nato 155mm systems is an actual game changer in Ukraine. The 122mm systems are in relative terms medium/short range systems and less effective for counter-battery duty. Counter-battery duty is critical, and AFU relies mostly on Himars which is a specialized, much more expensive and rare system.
On the other hand, dealing with long range MLRS like Himars is hard because the searchable are is much larger behind the line. Same applies of course to Tornado-S system (there are claims Tornado-S was used to hit a Mig-29 and ammo train recently).

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2023 18:17 utc | 49

It’s probable that scarcity of long range 152 and Nato 155mm systems is an actual game changer in Ukraine. The 122mm systems are in relative terms medium/short range systems and less effective for counter-battery duty. Counter-battery duty is critical, and AFU relies mostly on Himars which is a specialized, much more expensive and rare system.
On the other hand, dealing with long range MLRS like Himars is hard because the searchable are is much larger behind the line. Same applies of course to Tornado-S system (there are claims Tornado-S was used to hit a Mig-29 and ammo train recently).

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2023 18:17 utc | 50

@Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 17:15 utc | 9
As far that I understand it LostArmour is not some government group collecting data but civilians who are collecting destroyed tank photos (not just from the war in Ukraine but also from different war theater.
They post pictures and count those numbers.
So maybe you can fathom that not from every destroyed Ukrainian tank or ifv/apc there is a picture? Furthermore you may realise that even there is picture that doesn’t mean, that LostArmour gets the picture…

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:18 utc | 51

@Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 17:15 utc | 9
As far that I understand it LostArmour is not some government group collecting data but civilians who are collecting destroyed tank photos (not just from the war in Ukraine but also from different war theater.
They post pictures and count those numbers.
So maybe you can fathom that not from every destroyed Ukrainian tank or ifv/apc there is a picture? Furthermore you may realise that even there is picture that doesn’t mean, that LostArmour gets the picture…

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:18 utc | 52

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:18 utc | 27
It’s better not to trust the figures coming out of either Ministry of Defence, Ukraine’s or Russia’s. Both ministries release absurd figures for the losses of the other side.

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 18:24 utc | 53

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:18 utc | 27
It’s better not to trust the figures coming out of either Ministry of Defence, Ukraine’s or Russia’s. Both ministries release absurd figures for the losses of the other side.

Posted by: Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 18:24 utc | 54

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:18 utc | 27
Oryx numbers should be divided by two, because they use pictures taken from various directions on the same tank. It is not random, but a systematic method of operation.
Ukraine’s general staff also plainly lie about most things they claim. On Russian side the lies are more lies by ommissions (some things are untold but what is told is relatively accurate).

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2023 18:30 utc | 55

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:18 utc | 27
Oryx numbers should be divided by two, because they use pictures taken from various directions on the same tank. It is not random, but a systematic method of operation.
Ukraine’s general staff also plainly lie about most things they claim. On Russian side the lies are more lies by ommissions (some things are untold but what is told is relatively accurate).

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2023 18:30 utc | 56

UKRAINE has limited lifespan, another 6 weeks or so.

Posted by: AI | Sep 25 2023 18:31 utc | 57

UKRAINE has limited lifespan, another 6 weeks or so.

Posted by: AI | Sep 25 2023 18:31 utc | 58

“I also don’t want to see America fall. I adore Western culture (although not the slavery/colonialism history). Advancing interests by military means will cause America to to lose its values and collapse from within if not externally from fighting losing wars.”
America is being invaded by the surplus population of the third world. It has been betrayed by its own elites and, if this continues for any length of time, America as it has been will be destroyed. Oh sure, there will be a place on the map called “The United States of America,” it will have a government, but the place will be functionally like Brazil or Mexico (if we are lucky) or Pakistan or Bangladesh (if we are not lucky). America is not losing its values; it is being deliberately destroyed from within.
So as interesting at the current Ukrainian/Russian conflict is, for US citizens, there is a much more important invasion in progress.

Posted by: TG | Sep 25 2023 18:34 utc | 59

“I also don’t want to see America fall. I adore Western culture (although not the slavery/colonialism history). Advancing interests by military means will cause America to to lose its values and collapse from within if not externally from fighting losing wars.”
America is being invaded by the surplus population of the third world. It has been betrayed by its own elites and, if this continues for any length of time, America as it has been will be destroyed. Oh sure, there will be a place on the map called “The United States of America,” it will have a government, but the place will be functionally like Brazil or Mexico (if we are lucky) or Pakistan or Bangladesh (if we are not lucky). America is not losing its values; it is being deliberately destroyed from within.
So as interesting at the current Ukrainian/Russian conflict is, for US citizens, there is a much more important invasion in progress.

Posted by: TG | Sep 25 2023 18:34 utc | 60

@Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 18:24 utc | 28
Well, I see it very similarly, although I trust the Russian MOD figures more than the Ukrainian ones.
The reason is that the Ukrainians give very low casualty figures and in my opinion they are not consistent due to other information.
For example, personnel losses: we know approximately what their strength was in February 2022 (about 250,000). In summer/fall 2022 they reported that they had already recruited 1 million new men and also this year recruiting continued…. but their casualty figures are very low – it just doesn’t fit. The same examples can be found in the equipment…

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:37 utc | 61

@Soothsayer | Sep 25 2023 18:24 utc | 28
Well, I see it very similarly, although I trust the Russian MOD figures more than the Ukrainian ones.
The reason is that the Ukrainians give very low casualty figures and in my opinion they are not consistent due to other information.
For example, personnel losses: we know approximately what their strength was in February 2022 (about 250,000). In summer/fall 2022 they reported that they had already recruited 1 million new men and also this year recruiting continued…. but their casualty figures are very low – it just doesn’t fit. The same examples can be found in the equipment…

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:37 utc | 62

Ukrainian forces use HIMARS/M270 to hit a Russian antenna.
This indicates that Ukrainian forces have serious problem when comes to artillery
Posted by: xor | Sep 25 2023 17:01 utc | 5
That tg channel draws a very wrong conclusion. It simply means they have so many himars they use them for everything. Their mlrs ammo is almost unlimited. the launchers are limited but Russia’s lack of drones and satellites and their static positions, never attacking, means shoot and run mlrs are rarely stopped. They can intercept the missiles, where is really needed.

Posted by: rk | Sep 25 2023 18:39 utc | 63

Ukrainian forces use HIMARS/M270 to hit a Russian antenna.
This indicates that Ukrainian forces have serious problem when comes to artillery
Posted by: xor | Sep 25 2023 17:01 utc | 5
That tg channel draws a very wrong conclusion. It simply means they have so many himars they use them for everything. Their mlrs ammo is almost unlimited. the launchers are limited but Russia’s lack of drones and satellites and their static positions, never attacking, means shoot and run mlrs are rarely stopped. They can intercept the missiles, where is really needed.

Posted by: rk | Sep 25 2023 18:39 utc | 64

@unimperator | Sep 25 2023 18:30 utc | 29
I never cared about Oryx… I always thought that they are just a propaganda tool.
Lost Armour I knew already before the SMO. They were always collecting “lost armour”. Especially also from the time of the Syrian civil war.

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:46 utc | 65

@unimperator | Sep 25 2023 18:30 utc | 29
I never cared about Oryx… I always thought that they are just a propaganda tool.
Lost Armour I knew already before the SMO. They were always collecting “lost armour”. Especially also from the time of the Syrian civil war.

Posted by: NoName | Sep 25 2023 18:46 utc | 66

If the Western media were to follow the loss reports, they’d also have to start accepting that they’ve been selling an insane lie to the public all along and that the war attempt against Russia is a hopeless pointless mass suicide. And that’s something they cannot permit themselves, nor be permitted, to do.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Sep 25 2023 18:46 utc | 67

If the Western media were to follow the loss reports, they’d also have to start accepting that they’ve been selling an insane lie to the public all along and that the war attempt against Russia is a hopeless pointless mass suicide. And that’s something they cannot permit themselves, nor be permitted, to do.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Sep 25 2023 18:46 utc | 68

Surely it has become apparent that Zelinsky and his administration appear to be, to use a Texas saying, “a taco short of a combination plate”. Actually, two tacos short!
Iodine status of children and women of reproductive age in the Western region of Ukraine
December 2019 INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF ENDOCRINOLOGY (Ukraine) 15(7):541-547
DOI:10.22141/2224-0721.15.7.2019.186057
Background. In recent years, the incidence of thyroid gland pathology has increased in Ukraine. The absolute number of cases of thyroid diseases in Ukraine over the past 10 years has increased from 689,000 to 1,486,000, according to the prevalence rates, that is 941.6 and 4,210.4 cases per 100,000 of population, respectively. Thyroid pathology with its total frequency in the population (as of 01.01.2018) is 46 % of the total endocrinological morbidity and takes the first place among endocrinopathies. The main cause is imbalance of trace elements and vitamins in the diet against the environmental degradation and technogenic pollution. The purpose of the work was to evaluate the iodine deficiency degree in the population of the Western region of Ukraine
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Iodine deficiency can have a negative impact on IQ. People living in areas affected by severe iodine deficiency may have an IQ of up to 13.5 points below that of those from comparable communities in areas where there is no iodine deficiency1. Iodine-deficient people may forfeit 15 IQ points, and nearly 50 million people suffer from some degree of iodine deficiency-related brain damage2. Every single study analyzed showed a positive correlation between IQ and iodine3. The population in iodine-deficient areas saw IQs rise by a full standard deviation, which is 15 points, after iodized salt was introduced4.

Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Sep 25 2023 18:47 utc | 69

Surely it has become apparent that Zelinsky and his administration appear to be, to use a Texas saying, “a taco short of a combination plate”. Actually, two tacos short!
Iodine status of children and women of reproductive age in the Western region of Ukraine
December 2019 INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF ENDOCRINOLOGY (Ukraine) 15(7):541-547
DOI:10.22141/2224-0721.15.7.2019.186057
Background. In recent years, the incidence of thyroid gland pathology has increased in Ukraine. The absolute number of cases of thyroid diseases in Ukraine over the past 10 years has increased from 689,000 to 1,486,000, according to the prevalence rates, that is 941.6 and 4,210.4 cases per 100,000 of population, respectively. Thyroid pathology with its total frequency in the population (as of 01.01.2018) is 46 % of the total endocrinological morbidity and takes the first place among endocrinopathies. The main cause is imbalance of trace elements and vitamins in the diet against the environmental degradation and technogenic pollution. The purpose of the work was to evaluate the iodine deficiency degree in the population of the Western region of Ukraine
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Iodine deficiency can have a negative impact on IQ. People living in areas affected by severe iodine deficiency may have an IQ of up to 13.5 points below that of those from comparable communities in areas where there is no iodine deficiency1. Iodine-deficient people may forfeit 15 IQ points, and nearly 50 million people suffer from some degree of iodine deficiency-related brain damage2. Every single study analyzed showed a positive correlation between IQ and iodine3. The population in iodine-deficient areas saw IQs rise by a full standard deviation, which is 15 points, after iodized salt was introduced4.

Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Sep 25 2023 18:47 utc | 70

thanks b, good stuff.
and
by: Roger | Sep 25 2023 16:43 utc | 1
1. Global Hawk goes up to monitor Crimea
2. Ukies launch drone/missile attack to use up the Russian AA missiles
3. Coordinated attack on Crimea

Yes, MilSu Dima might have some ideas on his own there, but in reality Global Hawk is just an add-on to Poseidon and Aries systems. Those are also flying and are needed for scanning radar, ships, subs and EW coverage.
The issue is that GPS is jammed heavily in the South-western part of the Black Sea and along the Romanian coast, so those NATO ISR assets are flying relatively protected.
I am pretty sure that very often GH is blinded, at least in some spectrums. Also, its satellite uplink is typically broken by EW after an hour or two, and not always. The best action would be to publicly and militarily deny those assets altogether. There is a designated corridor where planes can fly, but NATO is coming way too close.
Boeing RC-135W Rivet Joint is lately typically circling around Kaliningrad at night.
GH is scanning at 16 km height and at 80-120 or so km away from southern Russian coast. They can see a fly on an apple in Yalta. It is just annoying, and lately rather deadly and dangerous.
I doubt that any of Crimean strikes are done by Ukrainians. It was a pure and a direct NATO op.
And Hotel Odesa is just one of many places to hunt for NATO in Southern Ukraine.
At Kilia and Primorske near Romanian border are helipads and a definite NATO presence. They are using Tulcea airport for evac and casavac.
I think RF has that all under control. As GeromanAT on X dewd says, time will tell…

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 25 2023 19:01 utc | 71

thanks b, good stuff.
and
by: Roger | Sep 25 2023 16:43 utc | 1
1. Global Hawk goes up to monitor Crimea
2. Ukies launch drone/missile attack to use up the Russian AA missiles
3. Coordinated attack on Crimea

Yes, MilSu Dima might have some ideas on his own there, but in reality Global Hawk is just an add-on to Poseidon and Aries systems. Those are also flying and are needed for scanning radar, ships, subs and EW coverage.
The issue is that GPS is jammed heavily in the South-western part of the Black Sea and along the Romanian coast, so those NATO ISR assets are flying relatively protected.
I am pretty sure that very often GH is blinded, at least in some spectrums. Also, its satellite uplink is typically broken by EW after an hour or two, and not always. The best action would be to publicly and militarily deny those assets altogether. There is a designated corridor where planes can fly, but NATO is coming way too close.
Boeing RC-135W Rivet Joint is lately typically circling around Kaliningrad at night.
GH is scanning at 16 km height and at 80-120 or so km away from southern Russian coast. They can see a fly on an apple in Yalta. It is just annoying, and lately rather deadly and dangerous.
I doubt that any of Crimean strikes are done by Ukrainians. It was a pure and a direct NATO op.
And Hotel Odesa is just one of many places to hunt for NATO in Southern Ukraine.
At Kilia and Primorske near Romanian border are helipads and a definite NATO presence. They are using Tulcea airport for evac and casavac.
I think RF has that all under control. As GeromanAT on X dewd says, time will tell…

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 25 2023 19:01 utc | 72

Posted by: rk | Sep 25 2023 18:39 utc | 34
Unlimited supply do not exist nor from the NATO side nor from the Russian side.
Using something that cost hundred thousand dollars if not million to clear an antenna is very poor management.
Same thing with the Chinese spy ballon
USA used million usd missile, an expensive flight mission, to clear a Ballon 1/10 or maybe 1/100 of the value.
It’s not unlimited availability, it’s shooting with a cannon to a mosquito, because they have nothing else.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 25 2023 19:03 utc | 73

Posted by: rk | Sep 25 2023 18:39 utc | 34
Unlimited supply do not exist nor from the NATO side nor from the Russian side.
Using something that cost hundred thousand dollars if not million to clear an antenna is very poor management.
Same thing with the Chinese spy ballon
USA used million usd missile, an expensive flight mission, to clear a Ballon 1/10 or maybe 1/100 of the value.
It’s not unlimited availability, it’s shooting with a cannon to a mosquito, because they have nothing else.

Posted by: Mario | Sep 25 2023 19:03 utc | 74

Alex Christoforou theduran.com, relayed a report from Russian media that a Leopard tank destroyed yielded a prisoner who spoke only German, no Russian.
Does anyone have corroboration of this statement?

Posted by: Cecil Lena | Sep 25 2023 19:06 utc | 75

Alex Christoforou theduran.com, relayed a report from Russian media that a Leopard tank destroyed yielded a prisoner who spoke only German, no Russian.
Does anyone have corroboration of this statement?

Posted by: Cecil Lena | Sep 25 2023 19:06 utc | 76

Also Oryx once more.
In the beginning Ukraine had roughly 2500 tanks of the various old T-models.
Let’s say 1000 were active and 1500 mothballed. The 1000 were immediately in use and they began refurbishing the storaged ones, they also received later in Fall 2022 help from Poland and Czech refurbishing. Poland and Czech also continuously fed probably 500 more active T-72 and T-64 an T-55 tanks Ukraine.
So in December 2022, was the first interview where Zaluzhny said in one of the western rags that he needs “300 tanks, 600 AFVs, 500 artillery” etc. to launch the attack in 2023. Why did he request more tanks if they already have 1500-2000 usable tanks? Because there were only few of them left.
Also the Ukrainian tanks started disappearing from the front in Donbass in late 2022. The speculation was they were either run out or withdrawn for the winter or maintenance.
It’s also common in this sort of conflict that you can present your own tanks as the other side’s tanks, and this is what happened with Oryx and other western backed sources. So I would not modify Oryx figures not only by 2, but something like 2.3 when you take into account that effect. But each to their own, Ukraine clearly lost most of their 1500-2000 active tanks by December 2022.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2023 19:07 utc | 77

Also Oryx once more.
In the beginning Ukraine had roughly 2500 tanks of the various old T-models.
Let’s say 1000 were active and 1500 mothballed. The 1000 were immediately in use and they began refurbishing the storaged ones, they also received later in Fall 2022 help from Poland and Czech refurbishing. Poland and Czech also continuously fed probably 500 more active T-72 and T-64 an T-55 tanks Ukraine.
So in December 2022, was the first interview where Zaluzhny said in one of the western rags that he needs “300 tanks, 600 AFVs, 500 artillery” etc. to launch the attack in 2023. Why did he request more tanks if they already have 1500-2000 usable tanks? Because there were only few of them left.
Also the Ukrainian tanks started disappearing from the front in Donbass in late 2022. The speculation was they were either run out or withdrawn for the winter or maintenance.
It’s also common in this sort of conflict that you can present your own tanks as the other side’s tanks, and this is what happened with Oryx and other western backed sources. So I would not modify Oryx figures not only by 2, but something like 2.3 when you take into account that effect. But each to their own, Ukraine clearly lost most of their 1500-2000 active tanks by December 2022.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2023 19:07 utc | 78

Posted by: TG | Sep 25 2023 18:34 utc | 31
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America is being destroyed by its enlightenment “values” which have led to OnlyFans, obesity, transvestite Generals, and the commercialized murder of the unborn.
Immigrants are convenient scapegoats because they are the “other”. Not all of them want to slaughter the next generation, or pimp out their daughters as cam whores, or castrate their sons before puberty. Those mental illnesses are relatively unique to the West, and America in particular.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 25 2023 19:10 utc | 79

Posted by: TG | Sep 25 2023 18:34 utc | 31
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America is being destroyed by its enlightenment “values” which have led to OnlyFans, obesity, transvestite Generals, and the commercialized murder of the unborn.
Immigrants are convenient scapegoats because they are the “other”. Not all of them want to slaughter the next generation, or pimp out their daughters as cam whores, or castrate their sons before puberty. Those mental illnesses are relatively unique to the West, and America in particular.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 25 2023 19:10 utc | 80

Is HOMARS a ballistic weapon? If so, why cant Russian army deduce the positions of launchers?

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 25 2023 19:13 utc | 81

Is HOMARS a ballistic weapon? If so, why cant Russian army deduce the positions of launchers?

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 25 2023 19:13 utc | 82

It is telling that the NY Times casually mentions “US war planners” while talking about Ukraine.
What is odd is that NY Times readers will insist that the US is not involved in the war in Ukraine. Graham, Romney, Haley, and other gloaters over Russian deaths, are simply ignored. How is it possible that they can read about “US war planners”, as well as the money and weapons supplied to the Kiev regime, and still insist that this is a war only between Russia and Ukraine?
No cognitive dissonance involved. It is pure Doublethink.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 25 2023 19:26 utc | 83

It is telling that the NY Times casually mentions “US war planners” while talking about Ukraine.
What is odd is that NY Times readers will insist that the US is not involved in the war in Ukraine. Graham, Romney, Haley, and other gloaters over Russian deaths, are simply ignored. How is it possible that they can read about “US war planners”, as well as the money and weapons supplied to the Kiev regime, and still insist that this is a war only between Russia and Ukraine?
No cognitive dissonance involved. It is pure Doublethink.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Sep 25 2023 19:26 utc | 84

“Last week’s summary listed 1,455 Ukrainian troops killed and wounded around Bakhmut and 515 in the southern direction. There was no discernible progress in either direction.”
These figures are adding in the wounded, so people shouldn’t be using the figures for the number of dead, as there may be more wounded then dead in the mix.
I think Ukrainian forces deaths have been exaggerated in people’s minds by assuming the figures are dead only.

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 25 2023 19:27 utc | 85

“Last week’s summary listed 1,455 Ukrainian troops killed and wounded around Bakhmut and 515 in the southern direction. There was no discernible progress in either direction.”
These figures are adding in the wounded, so people shouldn’t be using the figures for the number of dead, as there may be more wounded then dead in the mix.
I think Ukrainian forces deaths have been exaggerated in people’s minds by assuming the figures are dead only.

Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 25 2023 19:27 utc | 86

I have had the notion that the fight in that area was suspicious when the losses were so high for what seemed so little gain. I keep wondering if something is buried there? Señor 404 would not care a whit about Bakmuht but Joe does and has ordered the nazi to protect it at all costs or else. I never recall Wagner doing more than sealing the other connections in the tunnel entrances on 404 occupied territory.
Are the “contractors” hiding the godzilla of the medical laboratories developing bio weapons? Are they hoping 404 will win so they don’t have to blow up same laboratories and kill selves to protect the US?
Not sure what else they would hide for the benefit of the west, but I’m not that bright.

Posted by: Tard | Sep 25 2023 19:29 utc | 87

I have had the notion that the fight in that area was suspicious when the losses were so high for what seemed so little gain. I keep wondering if something is buried there? Señor 404 would not care a whit about Bakmuht but Joe does and has ordered the nazi to protect it at all costs or else. I never recall Wagner doing more than sealing the other connections in the tunnel entrances on 404 occupied territory.
Are the “contractors” hiding the godzilla of the medical laboratories developing bio weapons? Are they hoping 404 will win so they don’t have to blow up same laboratories and kill selves to protect the US?
Not sure what else they would hide for the benefit of the west, but I’m not that bright.

Posted by: Tard | Sep 25 2023 19:29 utc | 88

Almost sure western media follow the daily reports of Russian MOD. But they are doing their job: filter out what they don’t want to talk about.

Posted by: w | Sep 25 2023 19:39 utc | 89

Almost sure western media follow the daily reports of Russian MOD. But they are doing their job: filter out what they don’t want to talk about.

Posted by: w | Sep 25 2023 19:39 utc | 90

@37
That iodine deficiency article is a bit hard to find, but here’s a link. I find this so shocking as to be hard to believe. Iodized salt is not expensive, and it’s hard to fathom how any country in Europe would have difficulty making it generally available.
article

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 25 2023 19:59 utc | 91

@37
That iodine deficiency article is a bit hard to find, but here’s a link. I find this so shocking as to be hard to believe. Iodized salt is not expensive, and it’s hard to fathom how any country in Europe would have difficulty making it generally available.
article

Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 25 2023 19:59 utc | 92

@40 “ Alex Christoforou theduran.com, relayed a report from Russian media that a Leopard tank destroyed yielded a prisoner who spoke only German, no Russian.
Does anyone have corroboration of this statement?”
Gilbert Doctorow reporting same: “ As a further straw in the wind, I point to another deeply troublesome bit of information that you will not find in The New York Times. The Russian news ticker today carries a report from a Russian commander in the field in Ukraine that his unit just destroyed a Leopard tank and found that the entire crew was Germans. Two of them were killed and one injured tank officer was taken prisoner. Those manning a Leopard surely were not soldiers of fortune but genuine Bundeswehr boys. Put in other words, NATO is now directly on the battlefield and not as advisers or instructors. We are headed into very dangerous territory.”
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/09/23/latest-news-on-the-war-these-past-two-days-we-have-advanced-considerably-to-a-full-blown-russia-nato-war/

Posted by: ZimInSeattle | Sep 25 2023 20:00 utc | 93

@40 “ Alex Christoforou theduran.com, relayed a report from Russian media that a Leopard tank destroyed yielded a prisoner who spoke only German, no Russian.
Does anyone have corroboration of this statement?”
Gilbert Doctorow reporting same: “ As a further straw in the wind, I point to another deeply troublesome bit of information that you will not find in The New York Times. The Russian news ticker today carries a report from a Russian commander in the field in Ukraine that his unit just destroyed a Leopard tank and found that the entire crew was Germans. Two of them were killed and one injured tank officer was taken prisoner. Those manning a Leopard surely were not soldiers of fortune but genuine Bundeswehr boys. Put in other words, NATO is now directly on the battlefield and not as advisers or instructors. We are headed into very dangerous territory.”
https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/09/23/latest-news-on-the-war-these-past-two-days-we-have-advanced-considerably-to-a-full-blown-russia-nato-war/

Posted by: ZimInSeattle | Sep 25 2023 20:00 utc | 94

I invite your comments on this fact checking exercise.
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-clare-daly-half-million-dead-ukraine-russian-invasion-nato-6177956-Sep2023/
Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2023 17:25 utc | 11
WHAT FACT CHECKING? It’s all confirmation bias, where quoting Stoltenberg and the NYT is somehow more factual because, well, you know, they’re more trustworthy. I call bullshit.
As for The Journal’s factcheck team, if you want credibility, pack a bag and get a flight to the war zone, put on a war helmet and body armour, and go count bodies, instead of sitting in your mom’s basement Googling facts. Honestly B, I don’t know how you let this b.s. get in print, and same goes for Soothsayer, that dipshit hasn’t printed a fact yet.

Posted by: madmarc | Sep 25 2023 20:03 utc | 95

I invite your comments on this fact checking exercise.
https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-clare-daly-half-million-dead-ukraine-russian-invasion-nato-6177956-Sep2023/
Posted by: jpc | Sep 25 2023 17:25 utc | 11
WHAT FACT CHECKING? It’s all confirmation bias, where quoting Stoltenberg and the NYT is somehow more factual because, well, you know, they’re more trustworthy. I call bullshit.
As for The Journal’s factcheck team, if you want credibility, pack a bag and get a flight to the war zone, put on a war helmet and body armour, and go count bodies, instead of sitting in your mom’s basement Googling facts. Honestly B, I don’t know how you let this b.s. get in print, and same goes for Soothsayer, that dipshit hasn’t printed a fact yet.

Posted by: madmarc | Sep 25 2023 20:03 utc | 96

“Following the daily Russian reports is quite useful. We wonders why western media are not doing it.”
perhaps because it creates too much cognitive dissonance with the dominant imperial narrative,
which has gone on for so long and it repeated so often that it’s taken as truth in spite of all the objective evidence and facts to the contrary.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 25 2023 20:09 utc | 97

“Following the daily Russian reports is quite useful. We wonders why western media are not doing it.”
perhaps because it creates too much cognitive dissonance with the dominant imperial narrative,
which has gone on for so long and it repeated so often that it’s taken as truth in spite of all the objective evidence and facts to the contrary.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Sep 25 2023 20:09 utc | 98

2. According to the Ukraine’ Minister of Health the number of disabled people who lost limbs amounted to 25,000 people. In the WWII, the number of disabled people without limbs was about 5% of the total number of wounded. That would around 500,000 wounded people. From this number, a low estimation of 25%, are dead: 125,000. Add 10,000 POW, and 20,000 missing soldiers: 155,000 irretrievable Ukrainians and 500,000 wounded. That’s a KIA ratio of 1/5 for the all SMO. Conservative numbers. A tragedy. A real nightmare for all the brothers. A disaster.
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Posted by: Lalita | Sep 25 2023 18:16 utc | 25
25.000 amputees , france in ww1 had 50.000 with 1.000.000 dead and 1.500.000 wounded (of which 600.000 invalids) and they raised 8.000.000 battling out for almost 40 months.
25.000 at 19 months, do the math 500.000 dead, 750.000 wounded (of which 500.000 unfit to continue and 200.000 will be permanent invalids) and they either raised 4.000.000 or they’re thinning their forces to the bone before each new levée ( I think that’s the case and they only raised 2.000.000 so far, it’s closer to what is possible without drafting heavily from pro.ukraine zones)…
I had 20.000/400.000 before the counterattack and almost 4 months @ 1.250-1.500/25.000-30.000 dead per month looks right
Now the big unkown is how long the recovery takes in the case of those that go back, but even if we say just a month that means an additional 100.000 unavailable at any end of month

Posted by: newbie | Sep 25 2023 20:29 utc | 99

2. According to the Ukraine’ Minister of Health the number of disabled people who lost limbs amounted to 25,000 people. In the WWII, the number of disabled people without limbs was about 5% of the total number of wounded. That would around 500,000 wounded people. From this number, a low estimation of 25%, are dead: 125,000. Add 10,000 POW, and 20,000 missing soldiers: 155,000 irretrievable Ukrainians and 500,000 wounded. That’s a KIA ratio of 1/5 for the all SMO. Conservative numbers. A tragedy. A real nightmare for all the brothers. A disaster.
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Posted by: Lalita | Sep 25 2023 18:16 utc | 25
25.000 amputees , france in ww1 had 50.000 with 1.000.000 dead and 1.500.000 wounded (of which 600.000 invalids) and they raised 8.000.000 battling out for almost 40 months.
25.000 at 19 months, do the math 500.000 dead, 750.000 wounded (of which 500.000 unfit to continue and 200.000 will be permanent invalids) and they either raised 4.000.000 or they’re thinning their forces to the bone before each new levée ( I think that’s the case and they only raised 2.000.000 so far, it’s closer to what is possible without drafting heavily from pro.ukraine zones)…
I had 20.000/400.000 before the counterattack and almost 4 months @ 1.250-1.500/25.000-30.000 dead per month looks right
Now the big unkown is how long the recovery takes in the case of those that go back, but even if we say just a month that means an additional 100.000 unavailable at any end of month

Posted by: newbie | Sep 25 2023 20:29 utc | 100