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September 24, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-225
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 16:02 utc | 33 Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 16:02 utc | 33 Russia is indeed de-nazifying Ukraine. The nazi’s being the collective West. Posted by: xor | Sep 25 2023 10:57 utc | 403 Russia is indeed de-nazifying Ukraine. The nazi’s being the collective West. Posted by: xor | Sep 25 2023 10:57 utc | 404 @ Patience, §105: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 25 2023 11:34 utc | 405 @ Patience, §105: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 25 2023 11:34 utc | 406 Posted by: xor | Sep 25 2023 10:57 utc | 203 Posted by: notlurking | Sep 25 2023 11:37 utc | 407 Posted by: xor | Sep 25 2023 10:57 utc | 203 Posted by: notlurking | Sep 25 2023 11:37 utc | 408 Two modified Swedish versions of the Leopard 2 (STRV-122) damaged near Svatove.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2023 11:37 utc | 409 I have yet to see Milites offer a single piece of actual substantive critique, ever. He can’t even honestly quote the statements he chews out his generic, AI like retorts for. Posted by: Brautigan | Sep 25 2023 11:37 utc | 410 Two modified Swedish versions of the Leopard 2 (STRV-122) damaged near Svatove.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 25 2023 11:37 utc | 411 I have yet to see Milites offer a single piece of actual substantive critique, ever. He can’t even honestly quote the statements he chews out his generic, AI like retorts for. Posted by: Brautigan | Sep 25 2023 11:37 utc | 412 Multiple Western MSM outlets today are reporting on the SS celebrations in the Canadian Parliament, in honour of their Jewish ‘hero’ Zelensky: Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 25 2023 11:40 utc | 413 Multiple Western MSM outlets today are reporting on the SS celebrations in the Canadian Parliament, in honour of their Jewish ‘hero’ Zelensky: Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 25 2023 11:40 utc | 414 Pepe Escobar Reports on Ukie Morale… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 25 2023 11:48 utc | 415 Pepe Escobar Reports on Ukie Morale… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 25 2023 11:48 utc | 416 Rubiconned @ 208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIdGgEhr1s8 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 25 2023 11:56 utc | 417 Rubiconned @ 208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIdGgEhr1s8 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 25 2023 11:56 utc | 418 RE: Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 112 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 25 2023 11:56 utc | 419 RE: Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 112 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 25 2023 11:56 utc | 420 Can someone create a Canadian flag with a swastika instead of the maple leave? Then we can all send it it to all Canazian embassies on Twitter… would be sweet to get something like that trending on Twitter with the hashtag #CaNazis 🙂 Posted by: Zet | Sep 25 2023 12:20 utc | 423 Can someone create a Canadian flag with a swastika instead of the maple leave? Then we can all send it it to all Canazian embassies on Twitter… would be sweet to get something like that trending on Twitter with the hashtag #CaNazis 🙂 Posted by: Zet | Sep 25 2023 12:20 utc | 424 The democracy in England is, seeing from outside, a solid democracy, with huge tradition of serious debate. Posted by: RB | Sep 25 2023 12:21 utc | 425 The democracy in England is, seeing from outside, a solid democracy, with huge tradition of serious debate. Posted by: RB | Sep 25 2023 12:21 utc | 426 Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of the Russian state television channel RT, the Rossiya Segodnya news agency, and the Sputnik news agency — after the attack on the Black Sea Fleet HQ: “The escalation will continue exponentially until we are forced to give them all an ultimatum that from now on we will treat them as participants in the conflict, that is, the military adversaries that they are….” Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 25 2023 12:23 utc | 429 Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of the Russian state television channel RT, the Rossiya Segodnya news agency, and the Sputnik news agency — after the attack on the Black Sea Fleet HQ: “The escalation will continue exponentially until we are forced to give them all an ultimatum that from now on we will treat them as participants in the conflict, that is, the military adversaries that they are….” Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 25 2023 12:23 utc | 430 Simonyan has figured it out. And there are increasingly more Russians who have said essentially the same thing. “[Putin’s] critics are arguing that unless he draws a firm line soon, there will be no limits to what the United States might provide to Kyiv.” They’re right. Until Russia shows a willingness to retaliate, the escalations will continue, the weapons delivered will become more advanced, the provocations more serious. The US and UK will not stop until they’ve seriously damaged Russia. Posted by: Mario | Sep 25 2023 12:34 utc | 431 Simonyan has figured it out. And there are increasingly more Russians who have said essentially the same thing. “[Putin’s] critics are arguing that unless he draws a firm line soon, there will be no limits to what the United States might provide to Kyiv.” They’re right. Until Russia shows a willingness to retaliate, the escalations will continue, the weapons delivered will become more advanced, the provocations more serious. The US and UK will not stop until they’ve seriously damaged Russia. Posted by: Mario | Sep 25 2023 12:34 utc | 432 Uninterpretor @200 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 25 2023 12:36 utc | 433 Uninterpretor @200 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 25 2023 12:36 utc | 434 John Helmer opines on NATO’s sanctions war… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 25 2023 12:50 utc | 435 John Helmer opines on NATO’s sanctions war… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 25 2023 12:50 utc | 436 Speaking from a base of some knowledge of Canadian political party practices, I can say with high confidence there is now way the Liberal party member who holds the House of Commons Speakership who have gone off on his own initiative to insert the recognition of someone in the gallery on a day there is a high visibility official visitor. Such visits are intensely scripted and coordinated. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 25 2023 13:09 utc | 437 Speaking from a base of some knowledge of Canadian political party practices, I can say with high confidence there is now way the Liberal party member who holds the House of Commons Speakership who have gone off on his own initiative to insert the recognition of someone in the gallery on a day there is a high visibility official visitor. Such visits are intensely scripted and coordinated. Posted by: Figleaf23 | Sep 25 2023 13:09 utc | 438 At best it was a motivated blunder by a significant number of ignoramouses. Posted by: too scents | Sep 25 2023 13:16 utc | 439 At best it was a motivated blunder by a significant number of ignoramouses. Posted by: too scents | Sep 25 2023 13:16 utc | 440 rk@197 ….not to worry, no children in Washington, London or Brussels will suffer from these…..hmm ….mere wee toys really. When the VerySloMo is over everyone will see NATO has Russia best interests at heart. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 25 2023 13:18 utc | 441 rk@197 ….not to worry, no children in Washington, London or Brussels will suffer from these…..hmm ….mere wee toys really. When the VerySloMo is over everyone will see NATO has Russia best interests at heart. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 25 2023 13:18 utc | 442 My girlfriend asked how they’d blame this on Russia. The answer? They’ll call it “malinformation.” Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 25 2023 13:20 utc | 443 My girlfriend asked how they’d blame this on Russia. The answer? They’ll call it “malinformation.” Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 25 2023 13:20 utc | 444
Respectfully disagree, Rubiconned. The egregious act, including the subsequent pro forma nopology (it is safe to assume nobody will suffer consequences), was meant to set a precedent. Open Nazism is now approved mainstream discourse in Canada: It has officially come out of the closet. Posted by: malenkov | Sep 25 2023 13:26 utc | 445
Respectfully disagree, Rubiconned. The egregious act, including the subsequent pro forma nopology (it is safe to assume nobody will suffer consequences), was meant to set a precedent. Open Nazism is now approved mainstream discourse in Canada: It has officially come out of the closet. Posted by: malenkov | Sep 25 2023 13:26 utc | 446 and the house speaker for canadian parliament has apologized.. you can read that on cbc.. better late then never.. Posted by: bubbles | Sep 25 2023 13:32 utc | 447 and the house speaker for canadian parliament has apologized.. you can read that on cbc.. better late then never.. Posted by: bubbles | Sep 25 2023 13:32 utc | 448 @malenkov 224 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 25 2023 13:32 utc | 449 @malenkov 224 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 25 2023 13:32 utc | 450 Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 25 2023 12:23 utc | 216 Posted by: ed5 | Sep 25 2023 13:38 utc | 451 Posted by: Kellen Cramer | Sep 25 2023 12:23 utc | 216 Posted by: ed5 | Sep 25 2023 13:38 utc | 452 Vlads Western Partners MSM nonstop (every hour) announcing with joy the death of black fleet commander sokolov with 34 officers …… Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 25 2023 13:49 utc | 453 Vlads Western Partners MSM nonstop (every hour) announcing with joy the death of black fleet commander sokolov with 34 officers …… Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 25 2023 13:49 utc | 454 @ Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 25 2023 13:32 utc | 226 Posted by: malenkov | Sep 25 2023 13:52 utc | 455 @ Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 25 2023 13:32 utc | 226 Posted by: malenkov | Sep 25 2023 13:52 utc | 456 Generally they have provided earlier versions of the most advanced weapons. Posted by: Mario | Sep 25 2023 13:57 utc | 457 Generally they have provided earlier versions of the most advanced weapons. Posted by: Mario | Sep 25 2023 13:57 utc | 458
Oh no! NO LIMIT, you say. What exactly is left in that cupboard? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 25 2023 14:09 utc | 459
Oh no! NO LIMIT, you say. What exactly is left in that cupboard? Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 25 2023 14:09 utc | 460 The Washington Post asking “who did it?” one year on.
Post. Truth. Comedy. Posted by: too scents | Sep 25 2023 14:17 utc | 461 The Washington Post asking “who did it?” one year on.
Post. Truth. Comedy. Posted by: too scents | Sep 25 2023 14:17 utc | 462 correct link ==> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/09/25/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-update-russia-ukraine/ Posted by: too scents | Sep 25 2023 14:19 utc | 463 correct link ==> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/09/25/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-update-russia-ukraine/ Posted by: too scents | Sep 25 2023 14:19 utc | 464 Did anyone post the Bill Kristol TV ad yet? Posted by: bevin | Sep 25 2023 14:29 utc | 465 Did anyone post the Bill Kristol TV ad yet? Posted by: bevin | Sep 25 2023 14:29 utc | 466 Hersch is onto something. Posted by: bisfugged | Sep 25 2023 14:37 utc | 467 Hersch is onto something. Posted by: bisfugged | Sep 25 2023 14:37 utc | 468 @ Milites 109 Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 25 2023 14:37 utc | 469 @ Milites 109 Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 25 2023 14:37 utc | 470 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 25 2023 8:58 utc | 190
Do you think that the US cares about such trifles, Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 25 2023 14:40 utc | 471 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Sep 25 2023 8:58 utc | 190
Do you think that the US cares about such trifles, Posted by: ghiwen | Sep 25 2023 14:40 utc | 472 Salaam.So the Abrams tanks have been “handed over” to 404.They will be”delivered” to the scrap metal heap in due course.”Wonderwaffen”,eh Posted by: 4q8 | Sep 25 2023 14:42 utc | 473 Salaam.So the Abrams tanks have been “handed over” to 404.They will be”delivered” to the scrap metal heap in due course.”Wonderwaffen”,eh Posted by: 4q8 | Sep 25 2023 14:42 utc | 474 TomQ Collins Posted by: bevin | Sep 25 2023 14:49 utc | 475 TomQ Collins Posted by: bevin | Sep 25 2023 14:49 utc | 476 Posted by: John Marks | Sep 24 2023 13:24 utc | 1 Posted by: Peter Williams | Sep 25 2023 14:50 utc | 477 Posted by: John Marks | Sep 24 2023 13:24 utc | 1 Posted by: Peter Williams | Sep 25 2023 14:50 utc | 478 Another example of how consumer-grade technology can be adapted for military use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Team_Awareness_Kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb2OBIw-1Oc
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 25 2023 14:53 utc | 479 Another example of how consumer-grade technology can be adapted for military use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Team_Awareness_Kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb2OBIw-1Oc
Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 25 2023 14:53 utc | 480 @ RB&14; snake&214; LoveDonbass&165; bisfugged&164 Posted by: fanto | Sep 25 2023 15:03 utc | 481 @ RB&14; snake&214; LoveDonbass&165; bisfugged&164 Posted by: fanto | Sep 25 2023 15:03 utc | 482 @ Peter Williams, §239: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 25 2023 15:26 utc | 483 @ Peter Williams, §239: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 25 2023 15:26 utc | 484 Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 25 2023 11:40 utc | 208 Posted by: john brewster | Sep 25 2023 15:47 utc | 485 Posted by: Rubiconned | Sep 25 2023 11:40 utc | 208 Posted by: john brewster | Sep 25 2023 15:47 utc | 486 This would be consistent with Sy Hearsh’s article indicating a split in the intel community, since they would be the ones puling the media’s strings in this kind of perception management operation. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 25 2023 15:53 utc | 487 This would be consistent with Sy Hearsh’s article indicating a split in the intel community, since they would be the ones puling the media’s strings in this kind of perception management operation. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 25 2023 15:53 utc | 488 @Peter Williams #239:
First of all, the ban was introduced not by Russia, but by the EAEU. Secondly, the ban is partial and does not extend to passenger cars.
Everything else, including passenger cars, is allowed. Posted by: S | Sep 25 2023 16:03 utc | 489 @Peter Williams #239:
First of all, the ban was introduced not by Russia, but by the EAEU. Secondly, the ban is partial and does not extend to passenger cars.
Everything else, including passenger cars, is allowed. Posted by: S | Sep 25 2023 16:03 utc | 490 john brewster @ 244
These retractions are an old newspaper trick, 70% of the public sees the original front page headline, 10% sees the apology or retraction published on page 37 three days later. The propagandists get their cake and to eat it too. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 25 2023 16:19 utc | 491 john brewster @ 244
These retractions are an old newspaper trick, 70% of the public sees the original front page headline, 10% sees the apology or retraction published on page 37 three days later. The propagandists get their cake and to eat it too. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 25 2023 16:19 utc | 492 RE: Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 25 2023 15:53 utc | 245 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 25 2023 16:24 utc | 493 RE: Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 25 2023 15:53 utc | 245 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 25 2023 16:24 utc | 494 Zet @ 12:20 asks for a Canadian flag with a swastika instead of a maple leaf. Well, maybe one with a swastika inside the maple leafwill do? See https://constantinereport.com/how-nazi-war-criminals-got-into-canada/ Posted by: malenkov | Sep 25 2023 16:33 utc | 495 Zet @ 12:20 asks for a Canadian flag with a swastika instead of a maple leaf. Well, maybe one with a swastika inside the maple leafwill do? See https://constantinereport.com/how-nazi-war-criminals-got-into-canada/ Posted by: malenkov | Sep 25 2023 16:33 utc | 496 Anyone who thinks replacing trudeau the lesser and his gov’t would result in policy changes toward Ukraine and Russia should read this article from 2015. Posted by: bubbles | Sep 25 2023 16:41 utc | 497 Anyone who thinks replacing trudeau the lesser and his gov’t would result in policy changes toward Ukraine and Russia should read this article from 2015. Posted by: bubbles | Sep 25 2023 16:41 utc | 498 Re: Posted by: john brewster | Sep 25 2023 15:47 utc | 244 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 25 2023 16:42 utc | 499 Re: Posted by: john brewster | Sep 25 2023 15:47 utc | 244 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 25 2023 16:42 utc | 500 |
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