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September 24, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-225
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Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 24 2023 21:06 utc | 94
Doubt that very much in the UK, the secondary school history syllabus, ‘Rise of the Dictators and the origins of WWII’ does not paint a favourable picture of Herr Hitler, and the hyper-condensed WWII module on WWII clearly shows Germany to be the aggressor, with Russia’s role in defeating Hitler acknowledged. Being accused of any pro-Nazi sympathies here is a social death sentence, though this is being somewhat vitiated by Leftists using the term whenever they are losing an argument, which is often.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 24 2023 21:58 utc | 201
Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 24 2023 21:06 utc | 94
Doubt that very much in the UK, the secondary school history syllabus, ‘Rise of the Dictators and the origins of WWII’ does not paint a favourable picture of Herr Hitler, and the hyper-condensed WWII module on WWII clearly shows Germany to be the aggressor, with Russia’s role in defeating Hitler acknowledged. Being accused of any pro-Nazi sympathies here is a social death sentence, though this is being somewhat vitiated by Leftists using the term whenever they are losing an argument, which is often.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 24 2023 21:58 utc | 202
As a Canadian I was utterly disgusted with our political class happily giving a standing ovation to a veteran of the Waffen SS in our parliament, a man described as “fighting for Ukrainian independence” rather than the truth of fighting for the Nazis and helping the murder of Poles, Jews and freedom fighters in other nations fighting against Nazi Germany. Applauding the dictator Zelensky was not enough, so they wheeled in the SS veteran!
The level of lying and delusion that the Canadian comprador political class will stoop to seems to know no bounds these days.
As a Canadian I was utterly disgusted with our political class happily giving a standing ovation to a veteran of the Waffen SS in our parliament, a man described as “fighting for Ukrainian independence” rather than the truth of fighting for the Nazis and helping the murder of Poles, Jews and freedom fighters in other nations fighting against Nazi Germany. Applauding the dictator Zelensky was not enough, so they wheeled in the SS veteran!
The level of lying and delusion that the Canadian comprador political class will stoop to seems to know no bounds these days.
Re: Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 20:41 utc | 92
Thanks Paddy, and an eye opener. I had not considered the subs and infrastructure. A whole other set of expenses & considerations.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:02 utc | 205
Re: Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 20:41 utc | 92
Thanks Paddy, and an eye opener. I had not considered the subs and infrastructure. A whole other set of expenses & considerations.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:02 utc | 206
I am pondering if Von Der Leyen’s apparent attempt to imply Russia was responsible for the nuking of Hiroshima should be included, or to just view it as her poor command of English …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:27 utc | 2
Of course the Russians (aka the Soviets) were/are responsible for Hiroshima AND Nagasaki. Everyone knows that the Japanese had to be forced to surrender BEFORE the Russians (aka the Soviets) could land on Hokkaido and seize the island. And thus be part of the capitulation of Japan.
🙂
Posted by: Patience | Sep 24 2023 22:02 utc | 207
I am pondering if Von Der Leyen’s apparent attempt to imply Russia was responsible for the nuking of Hiroshima should be included, or to just view it as her poor command of English …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:27 utc | 2
Of course the Russians (aka the Soviets) were/are responsible for Hiroshima AND Nagasaki. Everyone knows that the Japanese had to be forced to surrender BEFORE the Russians (aka the Soviets) could land on Hokkaido and seize the island. And thus be part of the capitulation of Japan.
🙂
Posted by: Patience | Sep 24 2023 22:02 utc | 208
@ bubbles | Sep 24 2023 21:48 utc | 101
bang on.. thanks for stating all that… it appears b needs to make a post on this…
@ Roger | Sep 24 2023 21:58 utc | 103
ditto your comment as well.. in fact, i think there are a number of canucks like us here who are calling bullshit on what is happening.. unfortunately we are outside the halls of political power and i don’t see this 2 oe 3 party system in canada as any better then the 2 party system in the usa… and for the record, i will be voting maxine bernier in the next election… i can’t find any alternatives.. maxine wants to get rid of nato.. he gets my vote just for that…
Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 22:07 utc | 209
@ bubbles | Sep 24 2023 21:48 utc | 101
bang on.. thanks for stating all that… it appears b needs to make a post on this…
@ Roger | Sep 24 2023 21:58 utc | 103
ditto your comment as well.. in fact, i think there are a number of canucks like us here who are calling bullshit on what is happening.. unfortunately we are outside the halls of political power and i don’t see this 2 oe 3 party system in canada as any better then the 2 party system in the usa… and for the record, i will be voting maxine bernier in the next election… i can’t find any alternatives.. maxine wants to get rid of nato.. he gets my vote just for that…
Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 22:07 utc | 210
@ bevin 46
As you know, it’s important to not exaggerate in any direction, exactly because we never want to be doing a
Van der Leiden ourselves. I’ve read a lot of unz.com and I generally pay attention to what Ron Unz himself writes.
I’ve seen exactly one article, not by Ron Unz IIRC, which merely suggested that the USSR might attack Germany in the 1940’s, and consequently pleaded for the legitimacy to consider that Hitler was only acting in a defensive mode.
Of course that idea is completely at odds with all the facts that are in a thousand history books. You know this too.
The issue is whether any web site should ever give latitude to even consider any idea that is flat wrong. Not to claim that the idea is true, but just to gnaw on it. unz.com has a wide range of opinions and anaylsis. You can find vigorous defenses of David Irving, for example. Having spent more time on it than it was worth to me, I never saw much to show that Irving outright lied to whitewash the Nazis. Yes, like historians do, he got close to his sources and may have been somewhat captured by them, but I’ve seen far far more innuendo against him than hard facts. Offhand, I can’t think of any other large-scale defense of the brown plague at unz.com. The site has excellent analyses by Laurent Guyénot that you can’t find anywhere else. Michael Whitney is probably their most prolific writer and much of his material comes from wsws.org. OMG, Red Scare Time. It’s an obvious fact that the site covers Jewish influence and misdeeds. There’s a lot of that, and fortunately some Jews oppose Jewish crimes. Ron Unz is just one of many.
Going just one step further, Loompanics, a publishing company that thrived in the 1970’s, would publish any damn thing. Flat Earth, Hollow Earth, UFO’s, and … all sorts of conspiracy theories, even theories that were true and unsafe to publish. They were publishing turds and gems without discrimination. That may have been more profitable, but more to the point, it may have provided Loompanics editors protection from Executive Action.
One thing life taught me is that valuable truths don’t usually come from tall dark handsome strangers in a suit or on a white horse. And if you are hoping for someone to come and rescue you, it’s less likely to be one of those good-looking strangers. It’s the difference between Hollywood and Real Life. In the 1970’a, when hitch-hiking was common and safe, I was lucky to learned a lot from total strangers. I thought at the time that bumming rides from the side of a highway was God’s way of throwing information my way. Conversely, in the age of the internet, the curated websites are the most useless. What makes MoA so uniquely valuable is that there is no censorship. For that, I thank God and Bernard.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 24 2023 22:08 utc | 211
@ bevin 46
As you know, it’s important to not exaggerate in any direction, exactly because we never want to be doing a
Van der Leiden ourselves. I’ve read a lot of unz.com and I generally pay attention to what Ron Unz himself writes.
I’ve seen exactly one article, not by Ron Unz IIRC, which merely suggested that the USSR might attack Germany in the 1940’s, and consequently pleaded for the legitimacy to consider that Hitler was only acting in a defensive mode.
Of course that idea is completely at odds with all the facts that are in a thousand history books. You know this too.
The issue is whether any web site should ever give latitude to even consider any idea that is flat wrong. Not to claim that the idea is true, but just to gnaw on it. unz.com has a wide range of opinions and anaylsis. You can find vigorous defenses of David Irving, for example. Having spent more time on it than it was worth to me, I never saw much to show that Irving outright lied to whitewash the Nazis. Yes, like historians do, he got close to his sources and may have been somewhat captured by them, but I’ve seen far far more innuendo against him than hard facts. Offhand, I can’t think of any other large-scale defense of the brown plague at unz.com. The site has excellent analyses by Laurent Guyénot that you can’t find anywhere else. Michael Whitney is probably their most prolific writer and much of his material comes from wsws.org. OMG, Red Scare Time. It’s an obvious fact that the site covers Jewish influence and misdeeds. There’s a lot of that, and fortunately some Jews oppose Jewish crimes. Ron Unz is just one of many.
Going just one step further, Loompanics, a publishing company that thrived in the 1970’s, would publish any damn thing. Flat Earth, Hollow Earth, UFO’s, and … all sorts of conspiracy theories, even theories that were true and unsafe to publish. They were publishing turds and gems without discrimination. That may have been more profitable, but more to the point, it may have provided Loompanics editors protection from Executive Action.
One thing life taught me is that valuable truths don’t usually come from tall dark handsome strangers in a suit or on a white horse. And if you are hoping for someone to come and rescue you, it’s less likely to be one of those good-looking strangers. It’s the difference between Hollywood and Real Life. In the 1970’a, when hitch-hiking was common and safe, I was lucky to learned a lot from total strangers. I thought at the time that bumming rides from the side of a highway was God’s way of throwing information my way. Conversely, in the age of the internet, the curated websites are the most useless. What makes MoA so uniquely valuable is that there is no censorship. For that, I thank God and Bernard.
Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 24 2023 22:08 utc | 212
President Putin will be visiting China in October of this year.
The likely agenda will include discussion and decision making on how to respond to the USA’s tacit declared intention of impending war against both Russia and China. Can the two leaders afford to do nothing?
Putin’s words, (paraphrased), “if war is inevitable, strike first”
Getting North Korea on side was a first step.
The USA has made it abundantly clear to the whole World that it regards Russia as an enemy and is pursuing a war against Russia which will not be ended by any peace deal in Ukraine.
The peace deal needs to be between Russia-China and the USA.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 24 2023 22:10 utc | 213
President Putin will be visiting China in October of this year.
The likely agenda will include discussion and decision making on how to respond to the USA’s tacit declared intention of impending war against both Russia and China. Can the two leaders afford to do nothing?
Putin’s words, (paraphrased), “if war is inevitable, strike first”
Getting North Korea on side was a first step.
The USA has made it abundantly clear to the whole World that it regards Russia as an enemy and is pursuing a war against Russia which will not be ended by any peace deal in Ukraine.
The peace deal needs to be between Russia-China and the USA.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 24 2023 22:10 utc | 214
Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 21:41 utc | 99
Yeah, they had all those armoured divisions trained in an aggressive doctrine of manoeuvre, and all those attack submarines and all those truckers constantly checking fording points of major rivers, because they were a purely defensive force, deployed to shield against NATO, the force they significantly out-numbered on the ground. I guess the Berlin Wall was also to protect East German citizens from the evils of higher-standards of living and personal freedom.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 24 2023 22:14 utc | 215
Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 21:41 utc | 99
Yeah, they had all those armoured divisions trained in an aggressive doctrine of manoeuvre, and all those attack submarines and all those truckers constantly checking fording points of major rivers, because they were a purely defensive force, deployed to shield against NATO, the force they significantly out-numbered on the ground. I guess the Berlin Wall was also to protect East German citizens from the evils of higher-standards of living and personal freedom.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 24 2023 22:14 utc | 216
bevin @ 21:44 —
Think farther south. Like, say, Cuba. :-)))
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 24 2023 22:14 utc | 217
bevin @ 21:44 —
Think farther south. Like, say, Cuba. :-)))
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 24 2023 22:14 utc | 218
RE: Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 21:48 utc | 101
“The greatest failing was, not keeping the Americans out”
Another “failing” might be… the continuation of “colony” status under the British Monarchy and the servitude to the Crown after the French left. Your no more “independent” than the U.S. or French are at this juncture. Federal Reserve has us all by the balls.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:16 utc | 219
RE: Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 21:48 utc | 101
“The greatest failing was, not keeping the Americans out”
Another “failing” might be… the continuation of “colony” status under the British Monarchy and the servitude to the Crown after the French left. Your no more “independent” than the U.S. or French are at this juncture. Federal Reserve has us all by the balls.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:16 utc | 220
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 19:16 utc | 69 “The US will hand over its UNSC Chair in a week, Putin will see Xi, and I’m sticking with my 2nd 3rd week in October as the Russian assault commences and full capture of Zaphoriza & Khearson.”
If UNSC stand for United Nations Security Council, Albania is the current chair. Not the US.
As to your prediction that Russia will capture the entirely of Zaphoriza and Kherson by the end of the 3rd week in October, well, we’ve got about a month to go. I will be interested to see how good your prediction ends up.
Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 221
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 19:16 utc | 69 “The US will hand over its UNSC Chair in a week, Putin will see Xi, and I’m sticking with my 2nd 3rd week in October as the Russian assault commences and full capture of Zaphoriza & Khearson.”
If UNSC stand for United Nations Security Council, Albania is the current chair. Not the US.
As to your prediction that Russia will capture the entirely of Zaphoriza and Kherson by the end of the 3rd week in October, well, we’ve got about a month to go. I will be interested to see how good your prediction ends up.
Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 222
@ ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 112
Same difference — Albania is a US toady state. Not quite as obviously as Kosovo, which is the useles bit of land around Camp Bondsteel, but nonetheless.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 24 2023 22:28 utc | 223
@ ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 112
Same difference — Albania is a US toady state. Not quite as obviously as Kosovo, which is the useles bit of land around Camp Bondsteel, but nonetheless.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 24 2023 22:28 utc | 224
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 24 2023 19:50 utc | 79
Given that the same thing is happening at the Russian and Chinese sites:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/nuclear-testing-china-russia-us-exclusive-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
Does that mean the US will have to rely on the UK and French for nuclear weapons? And Russia and China will rely on? Pakistan? India?
Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:29 utc | 225
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 24 2023 19:50 utc | 79
Given that the same thing is happening at the Russian and Chinese sites:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/22/asia/nuclear-testing-china-russia-us-exclusive-intl-hnk-ml/index.html
Does that mean the US will have to rely on the UK and French for nuclear weapons? And Russia and China will rely on? Pakistan? India?
Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:29 utc | 226
RE: Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 112
Nah, I’m suggesting they’ll start there offensive the 2-3rd week in October. I don’t know how long to capture them will take.
And thx for correction on UNSC Chair. I don’t know why I had that ingrained for some reason.
It’s simply that Ukraine is wearing down, and the NPP has got to get fully secured along with the outliers of Khearson.
Again, it’s only what I’d do. It’s just an opinion.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:32 utc | 227
RE: Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 112
Nah, I’m suggesting they’ll start there offensive the 2-3rd week in October. I don’t know how long to capture them will take.
And thx for correction on UNSC Chair. I don’t know why I had that ingrained for some reason.
It’s simply that Ukraine is wearing down, and the NPP has got to get fully secured along with the outliers of Khearson.
Again, it’s only what I’d do. It’s just an opinion.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:32 utc | 228
CitizenSmith @ 108
The peace deal needs to be between Russia-China and the USA.
Excellent and exactly right. And, we are a long way from that. Despite the last 20 months I’m not even sure we are at the Dunkirk point in the timeline, certainly not at the Pearl Harbor point, which will be when China enters the war militarily. I don’t believe history repeats and WW3 has a big hybrid war component, seems it will be longer than four years to get to that peace deal, but hopefully with a lot less than 50 million dead.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 22:34 utc | 229
CitizenSmith @ 108
The peace deal needs to be between Russia-China and the USA.
Excellent and exactly right. And, we are a long way from that. Despite the last 20 months I’m not even sure we are at the Dunkirk point in the timeline, certainly not at the Pearl Harbor point, which will be when China enters the war militarily. I don’t believe history repeats and WW3 has a big hybrid war component, seems it will be longer than four years to get to that peace deal, but hopefully with a lot less than 50 million dead.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 22:34 utc | 230
“Some 3,300 workers have been hired in the last two years, with the workforce now topping more than 17,270.”
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 24 2023 19:50 utc | 79
Would these 17,00 + people be considered working class or elite? Just wondering.
Posted by: dh | Sep 24 2023 22:39 utc | 231
“Some 3,300 workers have been hired in the last two years, with the workforce now topping more than 17,270.”
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 24 2023 19:50 utc | 79
Would these 17,00 + people be considered working class or elite? Just wondering.
Posted by: dh | Sep 24 2023 22:39 utc | 232
Does it interest the bar to notify that kissinger is reported to be in Kiev now . Speculate away .. his coffin travels first class
Posted by: hankster | Sep 24 2023 22:43 utc | 233
Does it interest the bar to notify that kissinger is reported to be in Kiev now . Speculate away .. his coffin travels first class
Posted by: hankster | Sep 24 2023 22:43 utc | 234
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:32 utc | 115
Okay, start the offensive by 2nd or 3rd week in October.
I have been keeping track of peoples claims here while trying to use them get a better understanding of what is happening and what might happen.
Thanks.
Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:43 utc | 235
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:32 utc | 115
Okay, start the offensive by 2nd or 3rd week in October.
I have been keeping track of peoples claims here while trying to use them get a better understanding of what is happening and what might happen.
Thanks.
Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:43 utc | 236
james@106….most Canadians are complacent, beer, hockey, curling, in no particular order. Seems the Speaker has apologized, dollar short….but done on purpose. WEF Nazis the lot of them…..like your idea of voting for Big Max, personally I boycott everything, the cynic in me.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 24 2023 22:47 utc | 237
james@106….most Canadians are complacent, beer, hockey, curling, in no particular order. Seems the Speaker has apologized, dollar short….but done on purpose. WEF Nazis the lot of them…..like your idea of voting for Big Max, personally I boycott everything, the cynic in me.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Sep 24 2023 22:47 utc | 238
@112 and @115 – russ. offensive end oct23
I think you are wrong, first, it depends on weather and secondly, the cities are easy to be fortified, after bahkmut, I dont think, RU will make the same mistake.
IMO, they will escalate by bombing the infrastructure and send a lot of new refugees towards EU.
but in the meantime, they will be still destroying all pieces of AFU on the contact line.
Posted by: gpc | Sep 24 2023 22:48 utc | 239
@112 and @115 – russ. offensive end oct23
I think you are wrong, first, it depends on weather and secondly, the cities are easy to be fortified, after bahkmut, I dont think, RU will make the same mistake.
IMO, they will escalate by bombing the infrastructure and send a lot of new refugees towards EU.
but in the meantime, they will be still destroying all pieces of AFU on the contact line.
Posted by: gpc | Sep 24 2023 22:48 utc | 240
RE: “The peace deal needs to be between Russia-China and the USA.”
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 24 2023 22:10 utc | 108
Your post was a lot to think about. As for Ukraine, I don’t see China wading in at all, or anymore than they have. They certainly aren’t going to go so far as a “peace guarantor” or sign anything.
Their meeting frankly won’t be much about Ukraine… it’s all lining up the BRI Summit to follow.
I do think a big announcement will come out of it.
Maybe a BRI Bank or something to do with BRICS since Russia chair now?
I see it as an important meet. More towards 2024-2025 goals.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:51 utc | 241
RE: “The peace deal needs to be between Russia-China and the USA.”
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 24 2023 22:10 utc | 108
Your post was a lot to think about. As for Ukraine, I don’t see China wading in at all, or anymore than they have. They certainly aren’t going to go so far as a “peace guarantor” or sign anything.
Their meeting frankly won’t be much about Ukraine… it’s all lining up the BRI Summit to follow.
I do think a big announcement will come out of it.
Maybe a BRI Bank or something to do with BRICS since Russia chair now?
I see it as an important meet. More towards 2024-2025 goals.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 22:51 utc | 242
Re: Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 112
As to your prediction that Russia will capture the entirely of Zaphoriza and Kherson by the end of the 3rd week in October, well, we’ve got about a month to go. I will be interested to see how good your prediction ends up.
There is ZERO chance Russia launches any big offensive in October. ZERO.
Where are the non-existent preparations for this big offensive?!?!?
Posted by: Julian | Sep 24 2023 22:52 utc | 243
Re: Posted by: ed5 | Sep 24 2023 22:22 utc | 112
As to your prediction that Russia will capture the entirely of Zaphoriza and Kherson by the end of the 3rd week in October, well, we’ve got about a month to go. I will be interested to see how good your prediction ends up.
There is ZERO chance Russia launches any big offensive in October. ZERO.
Where are the non-existent preparations for this big offensive?!?!?
Posted by: Julian | Sep 24 2023 22:52 utc | 244
Visitor @ 11
Trudeau makes unhinged Hitler-worthy speech regarding Ukraine
Mere coincidence? Trudeau is a fraud and has no agency just like Zelensky, he is what his handlers make him out to be, that’s all there is to it. Let’s see, last week, Johnson and Von Der Leyen told us the Allies included Germany and Japan against the Russian Axis who bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Canadian Parliament gave a standing ovation to a 98y/o Waffen SS Nazi for… not much except being a Nazi. And, Trudeau does a Hitler imitation. Oh, to be a fly on the wall watching Trudeau and his handlers rehearsing that!
The first chapter of the revisionism of WW2 and Nazism is being written before our eyes. Make a note of it, it’s morbid but it’s fascinating.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 22:53 utc | 245
Visitor @ 11
Trudeau makes unhinged Hitler-worthy speech regarding Ukraine
Mere coincidence? Trudeau is a fraud and has no agency just like Zelensky, he is what his handlers make him out to be, that’s all there is to it. Let’s see, last week, Johnson and Von Der Leyen told us the Allies included Germany and Japan against the Russian Axis who bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Canadian Parliament gave a standing ovation to a 98y/o Waffen SS Nazi for… not much except being a Nazi. And, Trudeau does a Hitler imitation. Oh, to be a fly on the wall watching Trudeau and his handlers rehearsing that!
The first chapter of the revisionism of WW2 and Nazism is being written before our eyes. Make a note of it, it’s morbid but it’s fascinating.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 22:53 utc | 246
Ukies getting more sophisticated.
SloMo giving them enough time for evil creativity
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/43222
⚡️ Report about an Ukrainian attack on the Khalino airfield in Kursk
They say the drone was downed but the warhead detonated during it’s inspection causing casualties
From Rybar:
After attempts to attack the Khalino airfield in the Kursk region, we had deaths there. One of the fallen drones turned out to have a “surprise”.
Previously, the enemy had already used such tactics in the Kherson direction, where several drones shot down and landed with the help of electronic warfare were blown up after detection.
They were also exposed to various chemicals that affected the respiratory tract. Therefore, downed enemy drones must be handled with care and this practice must be taken into account.
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 24 2023 22:53 utc | 247
Ukies getting more sophisticated.
SloMo giving them enough time for evil creativity
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/43222
⚡️ Report about an Ukrainian attack on the Khalino airfield in Kursk
They say the drone was downed but the warhead detonated during it’s inspection causing casualties
From Rybar:
After attempts to attack the Khalino airfield in the Kursk region, we had deaths there. One of the fallen drones turned out to have a “surprise”.
Previously, the enemy had already used such tactics in the Kherson direction, where several drones shot down and landed with the help of electronic warfare were blown up after detection.
They were also exposed to various chemicals that affected the respiratory tract. Therefore, downed enemy drones must be handled with care and this practice must be taken into account.
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 24 2023 22:53 utc | 248
Arch Bungle @ 2:
Ursula von der Lying is descended on her mother’s side from the Ladson family of South Carolina.
The Ladson family is an American family of English descent that belonged to the planter and merchant elite of Charleston, South Carolina from the late 17th century. The family [was] among the first handful of European settlers of the English colony of Carolina in the 1670s, where the family quickly became part of the American gentry … The [Ladsons] were large plantation owners and wealthy merchants in Charleston, and owned hundreds of slaves until slavery was abolished in 1865. James Ladson served in the American Revolutionary War and became lieutenant-governor of South Carolina, while his son James H. Ladson was part of the Charleston oligarchy that was influential in launching the American Civil War. The President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen, who lived under the name Rose Ladson in her 20s, is a descendant of the family through her American great-grandmother …
Ursula von der Lying lived under the name Rose Ladson in the late 1970s while studying in the UK. At the time, there was a risk that she, like many other young people from rich families in Germany, would be kidnapped by the Baader-Meinhof gang and held hostage so she had to leave Germany for her own safety under a different name. Why she chose Ladson as her surname, when the Ladsons were synonymous with the Confederate plantation elites, I do not know – one might have assumed she would have chosen her alias a bit more carefully to avoid potential embarrassment.
Our Uschi also lived in the United States during the 1990s as a stay-at-home wife and mother while her husband was teaching at Stanford University.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 24 2023 22:54 utc | 249
Arch Bungle @ 2:
Ursula von der Lying is descended on her mother’s side from the Ladson family of South Carolina.
The Ladson family is an American family of English descent that belonged to the planter and merchant elite of Charleston, South Carolina from the late 17th century. The family [was] among the first handful of European settlers of the English colony of Carolina in the 1670s, where the family quickly became part of the American gentry … The [Ladsons] were large plantation owners and wealthy merchants in Charleston, and owned hundreds of slaves until slavery was abolished in 1865. James Ladson served in the American Revolutionary War and became lieutenant-governor of South Carolina, while his son James H. Ladson was part of the Charleston oligarchy that was influential in launching the American Civil War. The President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen, who lived under the name Rose Ladson in her 20s, is a descendant of the family through her American great-grandmother …
Ursula von der Lying lived under the name Rose Ladson in the late 1970s while studying in the UK. At the time, there was a risk that she, like many other young people from rich families in Germany, would be kidnapped by the Baader-Meinhof gang and held hostage so she had to leave Germany for her own safety under a different name. Why she chose Ladson as her surname, when the Ladsons were synonymous with the Confederate plantation elites, I do not know – one might have assumed she would have chosen her alias a bit more carefully to avoid potential embarrassment.
Our Uschi also lived in the United States during the 1990s as a stay-at-home wife and mother while her husband was teaching at Stanford University.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 24 2023 22:54 utc | 250
i will be voting maxine bernier in the next election… i can’t find any alternatives.. maxine wants to get rid of nato.. he gets my vote just for that…
Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 22:07 utc | 106
Protest vote seems to be all that’s left if one isn’t a member of the tiny few who have political party memberships and they have them to be part of an organization that operates with cronyism as it’s main attraction . Pork barrelling is another appropriate term.
Sadly, these characteristics are not exclusive to the West, but perhaps more caustic to those who have to listen to their clap trap given their ever phoney posturing as holier than all the other skimmers, scammers and reprehensible reprobates.
Ukraine isn’t the only place where graft is rampant, but it appears to be a cultural heritage there, thus making it an attractive destination for Western and other interests.
As the wise old manipulator would say..”Wuts your price?”
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:01 utc | 251
i will be voting maxine bernier in the next election… i can’t find any alternatives.. maxine wants to get rid of nato.. he gets my vote just for that…
Posted by: james | Sep 24 2023 22:07 utc | 106
Protest vote seems to be all that’s left if one isn’t a member of the tiny few who have political party memberships and they have them to be part of an organization that operates with cronyism as it’s main attraction . Pork barrelling is another appropriate term.
Sadly, these characteristics are not exclusive to the West, but perhaps more caustic to those who have to listen to their clap trap given their ever phoney posturing as holier than all the other skimmers, scammers and reprehensible reprobates.
Ukraine isn’t the only place where graft is rampant, but it appears to be a cultural heritage there, thus making it an attractive destination for Western and other interests.
As the wise old manipulator would say..”Wuts your price?”
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:01 utc | 252
After attempts to attack the Khalino airfield in the Kursk region, we had deaths there. One of the fallen drones turned out to have a “surprise”.
Previously, the enemy had already used such tactics in the Kherson direction, where several drones shot down and landed with the help of electronic warfare were blown up after detection.
They were also exposed to various chemicals that affected the respiratory tract. Therefore, downed enemy drones must be handled with care and this practice must be taken into account.
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 24 2023 22:53 utc | 125
They mention deaths but not how many. Strange how Russia reports numbers of Ukrainians killed in strikes from afar, but has no number for local victims.
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:02 utc | 253
After attempts to attack the Khalino airfield in the Kursk region, we had deaths there. One of the fallen drones turned out to have a “surprise”.
Previously, the enemy had already used such tactics in the Kherson direction, where several drones shot down and landed with the help of electronic warfare were blown up after detection.
They were also exposed to various chemicals that affected the respiratory tract. Therefore, downed enemy drones must be handled with care and this practice must be taken into account.
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 24 2023 22:53 utc | 125
They mention deaths but not how many. Strange how Russia reports numbers of Ukrainians killed in strikes from afar, but has no number for local victims.
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:02 utc | 254
Military Summary report quoted the situation in Kleschevka.
AFU has the ability to deploy more stuff inside Kleschevka, but they do not have the possibility to leave. It’s a large fire pocket that keeps sucking stuff in. The whole village, as is the norm, is obliterated of usable buildings.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:02 utc | 255
Military Summary report quoted the situation in Kleschevka.
AFU has the ability to deploy more stuff inside Kleschevka, but they do not have the possibility to leave. It’s a large fire pocket that keeps sucking stuff in. The whole village, as is the norm, is obliterated of usable buildings.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:02 utc | 256
Trubind1 @ 122
Your post was a lot to think about. As for Ukraine, I don’t see China wading in at all, or anymore than they have. They certainly aren’t going to go so far as a “peace guarantor” or sign anything.
It’s not up to Russia and/or China, it’s up to the USA how it joins the multipolar world, whether it loses gracefully or has to be crushed into surrender. Pretty much the pattern of all wars, except for the hybrid part where China and Russia are doing everything possible setting conditions for the USA to lose gracefully and not lay vast waste all around.
CitizenSmith is correct, it started Russia v. NATO but it will end Russia-China v. USA.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 23:07 utc | 257
Trubind1 @ 122
Your post was a lot to think about. As for Ukraine, I don’t see China wading in at all, or anymore than they have. They certainly aren’t going to go so far as a “peace guarantor” or sign anything.
It’s not up to Russia and/or China, it’s up to the USA how it joins the multipolar world, whether it loses gracefully or has to be crushed into surrender. Pretty much the pattern of all wars, except for the hybrid part where China and Russia are doing everything possible setting conditions for the USA to lose gracefully and not lay vast waste all around.
CitizenSmith is correct, it started Russia v. NATO but it will end Russia-China v. USA.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 23:07 utc | 258
RE: “Where are the non-existent preparations for this big offensive?!?!?”
Posted by: Julian | Sep 24 2023 22:52 utc | 123
It’s hardly a “big offensive” to finish out Zaphoryza & Khearson, while holding defensive on rest of line.
And the preparations are done. Everything is ready, the reserves are ready, The drone swarms are ready, and the line is weak enough.
Hey they may not do a thing, but I’m guessing they’ll begin, they aren’t just going to sit there another 6 months while Ukraine resupplies and configures another army.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 23:11 utc | 259
RE: “Where are the non-existent preparations for this big offensive?!?!?”
Posted by: Julian | Sep 24 2023 22:52 utc | 123
It’s hardly a “big offensive” to finish out Zaphoryza & Khearson, while holding defensive on rest of line.
And the preparations are done. Everything is ready, the reserves are ready, The drone swarms are ready, and the line is weak enough.
Hey they may not do a thing, but I’m guessing they’ll begin, they aren’t just going to sit there another 6 months while Ukraine resupplies and configures another army.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 23:11 utc | 260
@ English Outsider, §80:
As in Syria, so in the Ukraine, it is really England that is pushing this war, using America as muscle.
It´s well described in Michael Oswald´s 2017 film “The Spider´s Web”.
Posted by: John Marks | Sep 24 2023 20:35 utc | 91
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The US Neocons are plying an ‘America First’ game, IMHO, to take a phrase from DJT some years ago.
They encourage and appreciate the UK for all the trouble they care to make. Blinken et. al. would stoop for no one. The Russians see it that way too, US on behalf of the West against Russia and the East. Read karlof1, he has a lot of stuff.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 23:11 utc | 261
@ English Outsider, §80:
As in Syria, so in the Ukraine, it is really England that is pushing this war, using America as muscle.
It´s well described in Michael Oswald´s 2017 film “The Spider´s Web”.
Posted by: John Marks | Sep 24 2023 20:35 utc | 91
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The US Neocons are plying an ‘America First’ game, IMHO, to take a phrase from DJT some years ago.
They encourage and appreciate the UK for all the trouble they care to make. Blinken et. al. would stoop for no one. The Russians see it that way too, US on behalf of the West against Russia and the East. Read karlof1, he has a lot of stuff.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 23:11 utc | 262
Reports from TG (Slavyangrad):
-high rise hotel building in Odessa hit and in fire, Ukrainian media reports Navy HQ used it
-Odessa port facilities hit
-other strikes in Odessa
-British have provided Ukraine 2000 vehicles containing asbestos (with friends like these…)
-Dolgintsevo airfield is obliterated and cratered and most likely unusable from now on – a missile warehouse was hit
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:13 utc | 263
Reports from TG (Slavyangrad):
-high rise hotel building in Odessa hit and in fire, Ukrainian media reports Navy HQ used it
-Odessa port facilities hit
-other strikes in Odessa
-British have provided Ukraine 2000 vehicles containing asbestos (with friends like these…)
-Dolgintsevo airfield is obliterated and cratered and most likely unusable from now on – a missile warehouse was hit
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:13 utc | 264
Dolgintsevo airbase in Dnepro or Krivoy Rog region…
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:15 utc | 265
Dolgintsevo airbase in Dnepro or Krivoy Rog region…
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:15 utc | 266
Someone remarked that Down South’s post were mostly negative, and I noticed that too. But I think they are reality because fact is that Russian forces haven’t made much real progress, especially in the Donbass area. Russian military is not sufficiently supporting the forces in Donbass with weapons and other supplies.
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:17 utc | 267
Someone remarked that Down South’s post were mostly negative, and I noticed that too. But I think they are reality because fact is that Russian forces haven’t made much real progress, especially in the Donbass area. Russian military is not sufficiently supporting the forces in Donbass with weapons and other supplies.
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:17 utc | 268
I guess the Berlin Wall was also to protect East German citizens from the evils of higher-standards of living and personal freedom.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 24 2023 22:14 utc | 109
The West, including Churchill had been plotting against the USSR even before the Soviets liberated / conquered much of German territory. The Soviets suffered tremendous infrastructure damage and the loss of 24 million or so of it’s population.
The US waited to enter the war until there was indication that the Nazi’s could be beaten and ‘further’ profits could be had. America lost something like 450,000 dead in WW2, and no significant structural damage.
Your point was?
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:19 utc | 269
I guess the Berlin Wall was also to protect East German citizens from the evils of higher-standards of living and personal freedom.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 24 2023 22:14 utc | 109
The West, including Churchill had been plotting against the USSR even before the Soviets liberated / conquered much of German territory. The Soviets suffered tremendous infrastructure damage and the loss of 24 million or so of it’s population.
The US waited to enter the war until there was indication that the Nazi’s could be beaten and ‘further’ profits could be had. America lost something like 450,000 dead in WW2, and no significant structural damage.
Your point was?
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:19 utc | 270
-Dolgintsevo airfield is obliterated and cratered and most likely unusable from now on – a missile warehouse was hit
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:13 utc | 133
Does anyone know how much this airfield was used by Ukrainian/NATO military and how important it has been for them in the war? If it has been a significant factor then why wasn’t it bombed a year ago?
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:20 utc | 271
-Dolgintsevo airfield is obliterated and cratered and most likely unusable from now on – a missile warehouse was hit
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:13 utc | 133
Does anyone know how much this airfield was used by Ukrainian/NATO military and how important it has been for them in the war? If it has been a significant factor then why wasn’t it bombed a year ago?
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:20 utc | 272
LATEST FAKES FROM THE GOONS IN KIEV AND THE NAFO LYING TWATS
Fake: Hospitals in Mariupol have been closed to admit civilians. Every day 300-400 people die in the city
https://waronfakes.com/civil/fake-hospitals-in-mariupol-have-been-closed-to-admit-civilians-every-day-300-400-people-die-in-the-city/
Fake: Russia Shuts Down Factories in Mariupol and Refuses to Assist in Their Restoration
https://waronfakes.com/civil/fake-russia-shuts-down-factories-in-mariupol-and-refuses-to-assist-in-their-restoration/
Fake: Ramzan Kadyrov dies in Moscow Central Clinical Hospital
https://waronfakes.com/civil/fake-ramzan-kadyrov-dies-in-moscow-central-clinical-hospital/
Fake: Acting head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, is preparing to evacuate the civilian population of the republic, including residents of Mariupol
https://waronfakes.com/dnr/fake-acting-head-of-the-dpr-denis-pushilin-is-preparing-to-evacuate-the-civilian-population-of-the-republic-including-residents-of-mariupol/
Fake: Russia is not going to rebuild residential buildings in Mariupol
https://waronfakes.com/common/fake-russia-is-not-going-to-rebuild-residential-buildings-in-mariupol/
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 24 2023 23:21 utc | 273
LATEST FAKES FROM THE GOONS IN KIEV AND THE NAFO LYING TWATS
Fake: Hospitals in Mariupol have been closed to admit civilians. Every day 300-400 people die in the city
https://waronfakes.com/civil/fake-hospitals-in-mariupol-have-been-closed-to-admit-civilians-every-day-300-400-people-die-in-the-city/
Fake: Russia Shuts Down Factories in Mariupol and Refuses to Assist in Their Restoration
https://waronfakes.com/civil/fake-russia-shuts-down-factories-in-mariupol-and-refuses-to-assist-in-their-restoration/
Fake: Ramzan Kadyrov dies in Moscow Central Clinical Hospital
https://waronfakes.com/civil/fake-ramzan-kadyrov-dies-in-moscow-central-clinical-hospital/
Fake: Acting head of the DPR, Denis Pushilin, is preparing to evacuate the civilian population of the republic, including residents of Mariupol
https://waronfakes.com/dnr/fake-acting-head-of-the-dpr-denis-pushilin-is-preparing-to-evacuate-the-civilian-population-of-the-republic-including-residents-of-mariupol/
Fake: Russia is not going to rebuild residential buildings in Mariupol
https://waronfakes.com/common/fake-russia-is-not-going-to-rebuild-residential-buildings-in-mariupol/
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 24 2023 23:21 utc | 274
The US waited to enter the war until there was indication that the Nazi’s could be beaten and ‘further’ profits could be had. America lost something like 450,000 dead in WW2, and no significant structural damage.
Your point was?
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:19 utc | 136
US entered when the Soviets started having success and overtaking large parts of Europe. It worried that Soviets would take over all of Europe. That’s why it entered the war – to go against Soviets mainly. They didn’t fight the war to protect the Jews and others being killed by the Nazis – U.S. had years to enter if it was truly worried about that.
And Pearl Harbor was deliberately sacrificed to give U.S. an excuse to fight Japan. It must have really wanted military bases there, because, after 78 years, it is still occupying Japan.
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:25 utc | 275
The US waited to enter the war until there was indication that the Nazi’s could be beaten and ‘further’ profits could be had. America lost something like 450,000 dead in WW2, and no significant structural damage.
Your point was?
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:19 utc | 136
US entered when the Soviets started having success and overtaking large parts of Europe. It worried that Soviets would take over all of Europe. That’s why it entered the war – to go against Soviets mainly. They didn’t fight the war to protect the Jews and others being killed by the Nazis – U.S. had years to enter if it was truly worried about that.
And Pearl Harbor was deliberately sacrificed to give U.S. an excuse to fight Japan. It must have really wanted military bases there, because, after 78 years, it is still occupying Japan.
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:25 utc | 276
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:17 utc | 135
Apparently Ukraine is shifting around its base of operations for its remaining 5 Su-24 bombers. So one day they might be there, the next day they might be somewhere else. It makes no sense to bomb empty concrete, but maybe they finally found out where the temporary base was set up and managed to hit it?
Most likely the missiles are in short supply, in addition to the carriers. Concrete runways are not in short supply.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:26 utc | 277
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:17 utc | 135
Apparently Ukraine is shifting around its base of operations for its remaining 5 Su-24 bombers. So one day they might be there, the next day they might be somewhere else. It makes no sense to bomb empty concrete, but maybe they finally found out where the temporary base was set up and managed to hit it?
Most likely the missiles are in short supply, in addition to the carriers. Concrete runways are not in short supply.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:26 utc | 278
128
Yes strange but more strange the naivety & carelessness in handling these ukro toy’s
Anyhow russian numbers re like chessmasters red lines
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 24 2023 23:39 utc | 279
128
Yes strange but more strange the naivety & carelessness in handling these ukro toy’s
Anyhow russian numbers re like chessmasters red lines
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 24 2023 23:39 utc | 280
bubbles @ 136
The US waited to enter the war until there was indication that the Nazi’s could be beaten and ‘further’ profits could be had. America lost something like 450,000 dead in WW2, and no significant structural damage.
They did the same thing in WW1. Neat trick, let’s see if they can pull it off in WW3.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 23:41 utc | 281
bubbles @ 136
The US waited to enter the war until there was indication that the Nazi’s could be beaten and ‘further’ profits could be had. America lost something like 450,000 dead in WW2, and no significant structural damage.
They did the same thing in WW1. Neat trick, let’s see if they can pull it off in WW3.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 23:41 utc | 282
[ Album ]
💥🇺🇦🇺🇸A security guard from the Ukrainian delegation to the US got into a drunken bar brawl.
Zelensky’s tour in the United States ended decently: an employee of his security service got drunk, demanded that Americans shouted “glory to Ukraine” in a bar and started fighting. As a result, he was beaten up by the Americans.
“>https://t.me/infodefENGLAND/12614
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:43 utc | 283
[ Album ]
💥🇺🇦🇺🇸A security guard from the Ukrainian delegation to the US got into a drunken bar brawl.
Zelensky’s tour in the United States ended decently: an employee of his security service got drunk, demanded that Americans shouted “glory to Ukraine” in a bar and started fighting. As a result, he was beaten up by the Americans.
“>https://t.me/infodefENGLAND/12614
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:43 utc | 284
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 24 2023 19:35 utc | 741
They are not “Ukrainian” apologists. More often than not, these are western liberals who praise their puppet in nominal control of the satrapy. The number of Ukrainians who curse Zelensky has risen exponentially and this isn’t restricted to the pro-Russian ones.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 24 2023 23:44 utc | 285
Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 24 2023 19:35 utc | 741
They are not “Ukrainian” apologists. More often than not, these are western liberals who praise their puppet in nominal control of the satrapy. The number of Ukrainians who curse Zelensky has risen exponentially and this isn’t restricted to the pro-Russian ones.
Posted by: Constantine | Sep 24 2023 23:44 utc | 286
Unless Russia launches a comprehensive offensive which turns out successfully there will always be ambiguity and ultimate spinning potential for the neo cons who rule the state department in washington. the lindsey grahams are perfectly happy to let the bleeding continue forever as few americans are being affected.
Posted by: Oh | Sep 24 2023 23:50 utc | 287
Unless Russia launches a comprehensive offensive which turns out successfully there will always be ambiguity and ultimate spinning potential for the neo cons who rule the state department in washington. the lindsey grahams are perfectly happy to let the bleeding continue forever as few americans are being affected.
Posted by: Oh | Sep 24 2023 23:50 utc | 288
RE: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 23:07 utc | 130
I see what you mean and agree. I was specifically commenting on a “ Ukraine” peace agreement, that it wouldn’t be like a Minsk where China acts as a “guarantor” of the peace is all.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 23:52 utc | 289
RE: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 23:07 utc | 130
I see what you mean and agree. I was specifically commenting on a “ Ukraine” peace agreement, that it wouldn’t be like a Minsk where China acts as a “guarantor” of the peace is all.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 23:52 utc | 290
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:25 utc | 139
Operation Barbarossa started on Sunday, 22 June 1941,
Pearl Harbor attack Dec 7, 1941
America goaded their previous protege into military action then took their good old time deciding on their European bet. Meanwhile playing both sides.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:55 utc | 291
Posted by: MiniMO | Sep 24 2023 23:25 utc | 139
Operation Barbarossa started on Sunday, 22 June 1941,
Pearl Harbor attack Dec 7, 1941
America goaded their previous protege into military action then took their good old time deciding on their European bet. Meanwhile playing both sides.
Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:55 utc | 292
Gunther Fehlinger, one of the Nato honchos has called bombing Belgrade (due to the Nato false flag events in Kosovo).
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:58 utc | 293
Gunther Fehlinger, one of the Nato honchos has called bombing Belgrade (due to the Nato false flag events in Kosovo).
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 24 2023 23:58 utc | 294
🇷🇸There’s been a bloody incident which is ongoing in Kosovo
Rybar’s take on it
What is happening in Kosovo and Metohija?
Situation by 20.00 September 24, 2023
See below 👇👇
On the night of September 24, a new provocation was committed in Kosovo and Metohija. In the village of Banska, a shootout took place between Kosovo security forces and unknown persons.
The Albanian side claims that as a result one policeman was killed and two more were injured. The shooting began after an attempt to stop two trucks without license plates, which allegedly entered the region despite the ban on the import of Serbian products.
▪️Since the morning of September 24, the north of Kosovo and Metohija has been occupied by “police” and “special forces” – they block roads, inspect Serbian cars and refuse to let ambulances through. Banska is surrounded on all sides.
▪️A particularly difficult situation developed in the Banska monastery, into whose territory “Kosovo special forces” broke into. There is a group of 30 pilgrims from Novi Sad in the monastery. They all locked themselves in the temple grounds. Shots can be heard all day.
In Kosovo Mitrovica and Zvecan “police” patrols have also been strengthened , who inspect all Serbian cars.
“Kosovo Prime Minister” Kurti claims that about 30 “armed Serbs from paramilitary formations” were dispersed in the monastery and surrounding houses. And the president of the self-proclaimed republic claims that “armed people in armored vehicles penetrated 15 km deep into the region.”
▪️Despite the fact that the shooting has continued since the night, there are no supporting photo/video materials. Therefore, the Albanian side presents blurry photographs as evidence and claims that the armed people communicate in Serbian and Russian languages.
▪️The US Embassy, the German Ambassador, the OSCE, immediately took the side of the Albanians
EU Special Representative Lajcak, who, according to unofficial information, flew to Kosovo, as well as a British MP and an Albanian lobbyist Alicia Kerns.
🔻Such consolidation only means that the United States and the EU gave Pristina the “green light” for ethnic cleansing and the use of force. It is to be expected that the West will try to stir up as many conflicts as possible before the elections in the US and EU – and Kosovo, unfortunately, is one of them.
At the moment, there is information about three Serbs killed, five more were detained. The operation continues: “special forces” storm the Banjska monastery and search the houses of the Serbs. There is no data on increasing the readiness of the Serbian Armed Forces.
At 21.00 the President of Serbia will make an emergency address to the nation.
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 25 2023 0:12 utc | 295
🇷🇸There’s been a bloody incident which is ongoing in Kosovo
Rybar’s take on it
What is happening in Kosovo and Metohija?
Situation by 20.00 September 24, 2023
See below 👇👇
On the night of September 24, a new provocation was committed in Kosovo and Metohija. In the village of Banska, a shootout took place between Kosovo security forces and unknown persons.
The Albanian side claims that as a result one policeman was killed and two more were injured. The shooting began after an attempt to stop two trucks without license plates, which allegedly entered the region despite the ban on the import of Serbian products.
▪️Since the morning of September 24, the north of Kosovo and Metohija has been occupied by “police” and “special forces” – they block roads, inspect Serbian cars and refuse to let ambulances through. Banska is surrounded on all sides.
▪️A particularly difficult situation developed in the Banska monastery, into whose territory “Kosovo special forces” broke into. There is a group of 30 pilgrims from Novi Sad in the monastery. They all locked themselves in the temple grounds. Shots can be heard all day.
In Kosovo Mitrovica and Zvecan “police” patrols have also been strengthened , who inspect all Serbian cars.
“Kosovo Prime Minister” Kurti claims that about 30 “armed Serbs from paramilitary formations” were dispersed in the monastery and surrounding houses. And the president of the self-proclaimed republic claims that “armed people in armored vehicles penetrated 15 km deep into the region.”
▪️Despite the fact that the shooting has continued since the night, there are no supporting photo/video materials. Therefore, the Albanian side presents blurry photographs as evidence and claims that the armed people communicate in Serbian and Russian languages.
▪️The US Embassy, the German Ambassador, the OSCE, immediately took the side of the Albanians
EU Special Representative Lajcak, who, according to unofficial information, flew to Kosovo, as well as a British MP and an Albanian lobbyist Alicia Kerns.
🔻Such consolidation only means that the United States and the EU gave Pristina the “green light” for ethnic cleansing and the use of force. It is to be expected that the West will try to stir up as many conflicts as possible before the elections in the US and EU – and Kosovo, unfortunately, is one of them.
At the moment, there is information about three Serbs killed, five more were detained. The operation continues: “special forces” storm the Banjska monastery and search the houses of the Serbs. There is no data on increasing the readiness of the Serbian Armed Forces.
At 21.00 the President of Serbia will make an emergency address to the nation.
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 25 2023 0:12 utc | 296
@ sean the leprechaun | Sep 24 2023 22:47 utc | 120
you prairie folks are a down to earth lot!! i am coming around to thinking those who focus on beer, hockey, curling and etc – are a lot smarter then we give them credit for being!
@ bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:01 utc | 127
well, politics is noxious… i will give you that and yeah – what’s yer price, pretty much sums up a good chunk of it… happy trails..
Posted by: james | Sep 25 2023 0:14 utc | 297
@ sean the leprechaun | Sep 24 2023 22:47 utc | 120
you prairie folks are a down to earth lot!! i am coming around to thinking those who focus on beer, hockey, curling and etc – are a lot smarter then we give them credit for being!
@ bubbles | Sep 24 2023 23:01 utc | 127
well, politics is noxious… i will give you that and yeah – what’s yer price, pretty much sums up a good chunk of it… happy trails..
Posted by: james | Sep 25 2023 0:14 utc | 298
About von der Lying’s statement on Hiroshima:
It’s part of the deliberate rewriting of history.
In 50 years, it’ll be Russia that bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that sank the Lusitania, shot John F Kennedy, did 11/9, and created the iceberg that sank the Titanic too*.
(*Some Westernaganda already said Captain Smith of the Titanic had Russian ancestry and left the rest up to the reader to draw the conclusions.)
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 25 2023 0:26 utc | 299
About von der Lying’s statement on Hiroshima:
It’s part of the deliberate rewriting of history.
In 50 years, it’ll be Russia that bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that sank the Lusitania, shot John F Kennedy, did 11/9, and created the iceberg that sank the Titanic too*.
(*Some Westernaganda already said Captain Smith of the Titanic had Russian ancestry and left the rest up to the reader to draw the conclusions.)
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 25 2023 0:26 utc | 300