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September 24, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-225
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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@ Dandy Chiggins III, #223, §145: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 24 2023 13:24 utc | 1 @ Dandy Chiggins III, #223, §145: Posted by: John Marks | Sep 24 2023 13:24 utc | 2 The Liturgy of Lies has expanded to 206 with about a dozen fresh new howlers added in the past month:
I am pondering if Von Der Leyen’s apparent attempt to imply Russia was responsible for the nuking of Hiroshima should be included, or to just view it as her poor command of English … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:27 utc | 3 The Liturgy of Lies has expanded to 206 with about a dozen fresh new howlers added in the past month:
I am pondering if Von Der Leyen’s apparent attempt to imply Russia was responsible for the nuking of Hiroshima should be included, or to just view it as her poor command of English … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:27 utc | 4 Good video on the RF diesel ban and consequences, and yes, it’s a hybrid war move. Food and fuel: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 13:36 utc | 5 Good video on the RF diesel ban and consequences, and yes, it’s a hybrid war move. Food and fuel: Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 13:36 utc | 6 The open support of ex-Nazis became undeniable last week when the Parliament in Ottawa gave a standing ovation to a former Waffen SS soldier. The applause was for his prescience in ‘fighting the Russians”. Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 13:41 utc | 7 The open support of ex-Nazis became undeniable last week when the Parliament in Ottawa gave a standing ovation to a former Waffen SS soldier. The applause was for his prescience in ‘fighting the Russians”. Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 13:41 utc | 8 …… to just view it as her poor command of English … Posted by: Exile | Sep 24 2023 13:42 utc | 9 …… to just view it as her poor command of English … Posted by: Exile | Sep 24 2023 13:42 utc | 10 Posted by: Exile | Sep 24 2023 13:42 utc | 5 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:45 utc | 11 Posted by: Exile | Sep 24 2023 13:42 utc | 5 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:45 utc | 12 More Cracks…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 24 2023 13:46 utc | 13 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 13:36 utc | 3 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:46 utc | 14 More Cracks…. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 24 2023 13:46 utc | 15 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 24 2023 13:36 utc | 3 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:46 utc | 16 Apologies for my post. There is a much better account in Forward at the link b gives in Week in Review. Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 13:50 utc | 17 Apologies for my post. There is a much better account in Forward at the link b gives in Week in Review. Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 13:50 utc | 18 Iam pondering if Von Der Leyen’s apparent attempt to imply Russia was responsible for the nuking of Hiroshima should be included, or to just view it as her poor command of English … Posted by: jpc | Sep 24 2023 13:52 utc | 19 Iam pondering if Von Der Leyen’s apparent attempt to imply Russia was responsible for the nuking of Hiroshima should be included, or to just view it as her poor command of English … Posted by: jpc | Sep 24 2023 13:52 utc | 20 Trudeau makes unhinged Hitler-worthy speech regarding Ukraine: Posted by: Visitor | Sep 24 2023 14:16 utc | 21 Trudeau makes unhinged Hitler-worthy speech regarding Ukraine: Posted by: Visitor | Sep 24 2023 14:16 utc | 22 Iam pondering if Von Der Leyen’s apparent attempt to imply Russia was responsible for the nuking of Hiroshima should be included, or to just view it as her poor command of English … Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 14:23 utc | 23 Iam pondering if Von Der Leyen’s apparent attempt to imply Russia was responsible for the nuking of Hiroshima should be included, or to just view it as her poor command of English … Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 14:23 utc | 24 Did you see the Canadian Parliament standing in unison and reverence to a 98 year old Waffen SS and Zelensky? Posted by: Cuffy | Sep 24 2023 14:23 utc | 25 Did you see the Canadian Parliament standing in unison and reverence to a 98 year old Waffen SS and Zelensky? Posted by: Cuffy | Sep 24 2023 14:23 utc | 26 German radio and TV news transmissions are accusing Russia of leaving the poor people of Nagorny Karabach to be killed or expelled by Aserbaidjan. Posted by: venice12 | Sep 24 2023 14:24 utc | 27 German radio and TV news transmissions are accusing Russia of leaving the poor people of Nagorny Karabach to be killed or expelled by Aserbaidjan. Posted by: venice12 | Sep 24 2023 14:24 utc | 28 where are the Jews ? Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:27 utc | 29 where are the Jews ? Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 14:27 utc | 30 Did you see the Canadian Parliament standing in unison and reverence to a 98 year old Waffen SS and Zelensky? Posted by: jpc | Sep 24 2023 14:28 utc | 31 Did you see the Canadian Parliament standing in unison and reverence to a 98 year old Waffen SS and Zelensky? Posted by: jpc | Sep 24 2023 14:28 utc | 32 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:27 utc | 2 Posted by: Fran | Sep 24 2023 14:29 utc | 33 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Sep 24 2023 13:27 utc | 2 Posted by: Fran | Sep 24 2023 14:29 utc | 34 wsj today Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 14:35 utc | 35 wsj today Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 24 2023 14:35 utc | 36 jpc | Sep 24 2023 13:52 utc | 10 Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:40 utc | 37 jpc | Sep 24 2023 13:52 utc | 10 Posted by: paddy | Sep 24 2023 14:40 utc | 38 The Russians are constantly improving the Lancet… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 24 2023 15:01 utc | 39 The Russians are constantly improving the Lancet… Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 24 2023 15:01 utc | 40 “It is only a matter of time until western history books explain, that Hitler was just defending Germany from a (planned) Russian invasion and Stalin was responsible for the holocaust.” Posted by: dh | Sep 24 2023 15:03 utc | 41 “It is only a matter of time until western history books explain, that Hitler was just defending Germany from a (planned) Russian invasion and Stalin was responsible for the holocaust.” Posted by: dh | Sep 24 2023 15:03 utc | 42 The US is not really “giving” Ukraine tax dollars. Biden is giving US companies and departments that money. Ukraine “pays” for everything including training in the US and EU. The US economy gets the money and in a theoretical sense Kiev owes the USG the money Biden gave to US contractors. Kiev will never be able to pay the money back, which means that whatever government runs Kiev is controlled by the US. Unless Russia takes the whole country, in that case the money is gone. Posted by: Lex | Sep 24 2023 15:16 utc | 43 The US is not really “giving” Ukraine tax dollars. Biden is giving US companies and departments that money. Ukraine “pays” for everything including training in the US and EU. The US economy gets the money and in a theoretical sense Kiev owes the USG the money Biden gave to US contractors. Kiev will never be able to pay the money back, which means that whatever government runs Kiev is controlled by the US. Unless Russia takes the whole country, in that case the money is gone. Posted by: Lex | Sep 24 2023 15:16 utc | 44 Cuffy@13 Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 15:16 utc | 45 Cuffy@13 Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 15:16 utc | 46 “It is only a matter of time until western history books explain, that Hitler was just defending Germany from a (planned) Russian invasion and Stalin was responsible for the holocaust.” Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 15:25 utc | 47 “It is only a matter of time until western history books explain, that Hitler was just defending Germany from a (planned) Russian invasion and Stalin was responsible for the holocaust.” Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 15:25 utc | 48 @ bevin | Sep 24 2023 15:16 utc | 23 Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 15:25 utc | 49 @ bevin | Sep 24 2023 15:16 utc | 23 Posted by: too scents | Sep 24 2023 15:25 utc | 50 Imagine the amount of drugs sloshing around in this Ukranazi’s (he’s a nazi, check the helmet patch) body. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 24 2023 15:46 utc | 51 Does anyone here have any insights or current Patrick Lancaster video’s regarding “what is going on in the Donetsk”?? Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 15:46 utc | 52 Imagine the amount of drugs sloshing around in this Ukranazi’s (he’s a nazi, check the helmet patch) body. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 24 2023 15:46 utc | 53 Does anyone here have any insights or current Patrick Lancaster video’s regarding “what is going on in the Donetsk”?? Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 15:46 utc | 54 @Brvin 24: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 24 2023 15:47 utc | 55 @Brvin 24: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 24 2023 15:47 utc | 56 Ukrainian community rejects Kiev’s call to leave Crimea (RIA Novosti, September 24, 2023 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 15:56 utc | 57 Ukrainian community rejects Kiev’s call to leave Crimea (RIA Novosti, September 24, 2023 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | Sep 24 2023 15:56 utc | 58 Unbeknownst to me, the person that received the standing ovation in Canadian parliament is from my area. It absolutely sickens me! As much as I would like to send a scathing email to my MP…I fear the possible repercussions of an unexpected CRA audit or visit from CSIS. Posted by: upsetter | Sep 24 2023 15:56 utc | 59 Unbeknownst to me, the person that received the standing ovation in Canadian parliament is from my area. It absolutely sickens me! As much as I would like to send a scathing email to my MP…I fear the possible repercussions of an unexpected CRA audit or visit from CSIS. Posted by: upsetter | Sep 24 2023 15:56 utc | 60
Posted by: Down South | Sep 24 2023 16:01 utc | 61
Posted by: Down South | Sep 24 2023 16:01 utc | 62 WTF has gone wrong with Canadian people? Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 16:02 utc | 63 WTF has gone wrong with Canadian people? Posted by: bubbles | Sep 24 2023 16:02 utc | 64
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19801 Posted by: Down South | Sep 24 2023 16:06 utc | 65
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19801 Posted by: Down South | Sep 24 2023 16:06 utc | 66 Has anyone considered there is some indication that Ukraine is flying blind about its population? That the internal numbers they work from may have little reality? Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 24 2023 16:09 utc | 67 Has anyone considered there is some indication that Ukraine is flying blind about its population? That the internal numbers they work from may have little reality? Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 24 2023 16:09 utc | 68
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19798 Posted by: Down South | Sep 24 2023 16:09 utc | 69
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19798 Posted by: Down South | Sep 24 2023 16:09 utc | 70 @ Biswapriya Purkayast 28 Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 24 2023 16:15 utc | 71 @ Biswapriya Purkayast 28 Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 24 2023 16:15 utc | 72 Ukraine Weekly Update – may be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-807 Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Sep 24 2023 16:27 utc | 73 Ukraine Weekly Update – may be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-807 Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Sep 24 2023 16:27 utc | 74 RE: Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 24 2023 16:09 utc | 35 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 16:29 utc | 75 RE: Posted by: Eighthman | Sep 24 2023 16:09 utc | 35 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 24 2023 16:29 utc | 76
No I didn’t watch because I don’t want to see that disgrace. Hey! Canada is a democracy. The best country in the World according to former PM Chretien (a friend of Trudeau the father). Those Canadian politicians self-appoint God like prerogatives to judge other nations. Once elected the PM of Canada usually acts as a king for the next four years. Canadians don’t complain very loudly if at all. Such a small country (internal market) punching at Russia and China is asking for trouble. Posted by: Richard L | Sep 24 2023 17:07 utc | 77
No I didn’t watch because I don’t want to see that disgrace. Hey! Canada is a democracy. The best country in the World according to former PM Chretien (a friend of Trudeau the father). Those Canadian politicians self-appoint God like prerogatives to judge other nations. Once elected the PM of Canada usually acts as a king for the next four years. Canadians don’t complain very loudly if at all. Such a small country (internal market) punching at Russia and China is asking for trouble. Posted by: Richard L | Sep 24 2023 17:07 utc | 78 One thing that Russia can always count on, without exception, is the short term thinking nature of the U.S. Political Class, especially American Appartchiks. Posted by: kupkee | Sep 24 2023 17:09 utc | 79 One thing that Russia can always count on, without exception, is the short term thinking nature of the U.S. Political Class, especially American Appartchiks. Posted by: kupkee | Sep 24 2023 17:09 utc | 80 “Did you see the Canadian Parliament standing in unison and reverence to a 98 year old Waffen SS and Zelensky? Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 24 2023 17:19 utc | 81 “Did you see the Canadian Parliament standing in unison and reverence to a 98 year old Waffen SS and Zelensky? Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 24 2023 17:19 utc | 82
I found that item of particular interest: it made me wonder whether this measure might lead to abuse or be retained even if the SMO should end. Posted by: David Levin | Sep 24 2023 17:26 utc | 83
I found that item of particular interest: it made me wonder whether this measure might lead to abuse or be retained even if the SMO should end. Posted by: David Levin | Sep 24 2023 17:26 utc | 84 Röschen aka Dixie Rose aka Ursula Albrecht aka Ursula von der Leyen Posted by: Tandil Ultra Plus | Sep 24 2023 17:27 utc | 85 Röschen aka Dixie Rose aka Ursula Albrecht aka Ursula von der Leyen Posted by: Tandil Ultra Plus | Sep 24 2023 17:27 utc | 86 One thing that Russia can always count on, without exception, is the short term thinking nature of the U.S. Political Class, especially American Appartchiks. Posted by: 600w | Sep 24 2023 17:27 utc | 87 One thing that Russia can always count on, without exception, is the short term thinking nature of the U.S. Political Class, especially American Appartchiks. Posted by: 600w | Sep 24 2023 17:27 utc | 88 “That’s the standard “history” spouted by the Unz brigade.” Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 17:36 utc | 89 “That’s the standard “history” spouted by the Unz brigade.” Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 17:36 utc | 90 “They’re looking toward the future, not back at the past.” Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 17:40 utc | 91 “They’re looking toward the future, not back at the past.” Posted by: bevin | Sep 24 2023 17:40 utc | 92 Whats gone wrong with the Canadians? well it started i believe just after the War when the British sent what was left of the Ukrainian 14th Galizien SS to settle in Canada, then you had the Cow Freeland who had connections with the scum,not sure what the Canadian WW2 vets that are still alive think about it, in 1944 after D-Day some Canadian POWs were murdered by the 12th SS Hitler Jugend Div Kurt Meyer was the commander, they murdered the men one at a time with a bullet in the back of the head in the grounds of a Abbey, there was at least one report of a beheading, that is the filth the West supports. Posted by: Englishman | Sep 24 2023 17:41 utc | 95 Whats gone wrong with the Canadians? well it started i believe just after the War when the British sent what was left of the Ukrainian 14th Galizien SS to settle in Canada, then you had the Cow Freeland who had connections with the scum,not sure what the Canadian WW2 vets that are still alive think about it, in 1944 after D-Day some Canadian POWs were murdered by the 12th SS Hitler Jugend Div Kurt Meyer was the commander, they murdered the men one at a time with a bullet in the back of the head in the grounds of a Abbey, there was at least one report of a beheading, that is the filth the West supports. Posted by: Englishman | Sep 24 2023 17:41 utc | 96 FWIW: Posted by: kupkee | Sep 24 2023 17:45 utc | 97 FWIW: Posted by: kupkee | Sep 24 2023 17:45 utc | 98 Remember, what ursula did is systemic. Remember the g7 at hiroshima? There was no apology from biden. And i could be wrong, since i only watched that farce halfheatedly, so correct me if im wrong, but i do not remember them saying anything that would link the bombs to the usa. Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 24 2023 17:47 utc | 99 Remember, what ursula did is systemic. Remember the g7 at hiroshima? There was no apology from biden. And i could be wrong, since i only watched that farce halfheatedly, so correct me if im wrong, but i do not remember them saying anything that would link the bombs to the usa. Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 24 2023 17:47 utc | 100 |
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