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September 21, 2023

Ukraine Open Thread 2023-222

When the Ukrainian President Zelenski recently spoke at the UN General Assembly the hall was pretty empty.

What the media hides. @narrative_hole - 23:43 UTC · Sep 20, 2023

🇺🇦 Ukrainian media edited the audience for Zelensky’s speech at the UN to make it look like everyone was listening, including Zelensky himself 😂
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Strana also reported this (machine translation):

The telethon showed how Zelensky listens to himself in the UN hall during his own speech on the podium

A live broadcast of the national telethon of United News showed an edited version of President Volodymyr Zelensky's speech at the 78th session of the UN General Assembly, which took place on September 19.

As a result of editing, it turned out that Zelensky was sitting in the hall next to the head of the Presidential Office Andrey Ermak and Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba, listening to himself from the podium.

There was no such oversight in the official UN broadcast.

Use as Ukraine Open Thread ...

The current open thread for other issues is here

Posted by b on September 21, 2023 at 13:04 UTC | Permalink

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Elensky listening to Elensky...well, he is a comedian.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 21 2023 13:12 utc | 1

b. that is good start to set up the important subject and discuss it.

I think that Western narrative becomes really uninteresting. Arch did 100+ lies from "unprovoked" to "pickle jar AD".
I believe that multipolar representatives are following and know what is happening, a bit more in-depth than an average person. I think Ze & U-Gang are too long omnipresent everywhere and nobody cares any more. He, unknown nobody, proposes to have RF kicked out of security council. Way to go, really.

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 21 2023 13:16 utc | 2

"German and Spanish television crews have arrived in the city. They are going to stage video footage about civilians 'tortured' during [Russia’s] operation to liberate Kherson" - Governor Vladimir Saldo (tass.com/politics/1678369)

SBU reported on the detention of an entire family [mother and daughter] of “collaborators” in the Kherson region, who, according to the agency, “helped Russia hold a referendum” (t.me/CyberspecNews/42797)

Posted by: rk | Sep 21 2023 13:20 utc | 3

Argh - reposting as this thread just started, whilst I was writing it at the old one!

The way they broadcast from the UN!
Bloody hell what a waste of a few hours watching that load of old cock at the UNSC.

What the ef is a “multilateral, rules based, world order’? That the dancing monkeys at the UNSC keep farting on about?

Does it have any relationship to the actual UN Articles? Which are not about variable ‘Rules’.

Multilateral seems to be the new doublespeak for Unipolar.

The speeches by African and UAE and other speakers in clipped English of the aristo variety, Private Shultz too! Apparently German isn’t allowed ,maybe it sounds a bit .. German.
The conquistadors bastards who for centuries have raped and pillaged south and Central America’s. Who keep their own peoples down and poor while they live it up in America and Europe and the desert glass cities.
The U.K. and French liars who claim only tens of thousand dead in Ukraine- who the f*** do they think they are kidding?
As for that President , from Bulgaria? What a total tosser!

That UN is now a turd castle - a tower of bubble - popping as we watch.

Take away the Russian and Chinese vetoes! They beg. Give it to some strange African representative, educated at Oxbridge who knows the King of England and Netherlands, and some strange excolonial dogs dinner country , India, which should have long ago reverted to its desperate states that the subcontinent always was. Which the departing Imperium screwed up with the lines it drew on the maps.

The same bastards having done the same to the Middle East and Africa last century too.

Enough!

Time to erase these hundred year old lines and return to the borders of Peoples and their languages.
Time to erase the oldest conquistadors and the newer Yankee mongrels and all stops between that laid claim to these far off continents and imposed their languages.
Time to defang their imperial shapeshifter corporations that just keep mutating and are the current colonial forces - going where they like, stealing what they want, holding the UN figleaf captured and trained monkeys infront of their genitals whilst claiming they are the Rules Based Order that makes up the Rules as they go along.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 21 2023 13:32 utc | 4

Nitter nixed??

Can‘t get it to load. Anyone else?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 21 2023 13:38 utc | 5

That UN is now a turd castle - a tower of bubble - popping as we watch.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 21 2023 13:32 utc | 4

############

It always was. I remember when Colin Powell was talking about WMDs in Iraq.

The difference is that you're really paying attention now.

If one assumes any given institution anywhere in the world is rotten, they will be more right than they will be wrong, certainly in the West.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2023 13:44 utc | 6

DunGroanin @4
That pretty well sums it up!

Posted by: bevin | Sep 21 2023 13:46 utc | 7

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks at the UN Security Council:

English version, not yet fully translated:
https://mid.ru/en/press_service/video/view/1905317/#sel=2:1:IPV,2:10:FVX

German version:
https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2023/die-grundsatzrede-des-russischen-aussenministers-lawrow-im-un-sicherheitsrat-im-o-ton/

Russian original:
https://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1905317/

Wow, what a speech!

Posted by: Zet | Sep 21 2023 13:52 utc | 8

So the west is withdrawing support from Zelensky even while claim that this is going to be a long war.
Makes me think they do not want/expect actual negotiations, but they simply want to appear to be promoting negotiations so that they can be in better position for elections.
It seems they no longer feel obliged to be discrete about their dishonesty.

Posted by: jared | Sep 21 2023 13:54 utc | 9

Any organisation of which the USA is a member is more than likely to be corrupt, if it serves American interests. The UN didn't start out that way, but the USA would never permit any organisation to have greater authority globally than itself. As a consequence, Rules (as set down by America) are more important than International Law is now the global watchword.

Posted by: Bramble | Sep 21 2023 13:56 utc | 10

The monolith begins to crack....
Ukraine grain sales to Europe, which is of such poor quality that it is fit only for livestock. Five European countries tried rejecting Ukraine shipments because they would undercut local farmers. Then Poland, Slovakia, and Hungary passed import bans (despite arguably not being allowed to take this measure as individual EU states), which led to Ukraine suing all three countries at the WTO.

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia responded by imposing unilateral bans, going against EU policy of acting in unison on trade matters and raising an awkward situation for the commission….

Romania has not applied unilateral measures but Bulgaria introduced a ban on sunflower seeds from Ukraine on Wednesday after days of protests by farmers.

This is almost suicidally ill timed. Even if Ukraine thought it needed to sue, it would have been prudent to wait until elections were over in Poland and Slovakia (both in upcoming weeks) where anti-giving-Ukraine-a-blank-check parties are doing well enough that they could win or become the lead actors in a coalition government.

If one or both countries wind up having their voters repudiate Project Ukraine, this will put the US on its back foot in a major way. A loss by Ukraine stalwarts would be a mere sighting shot but would greatly worry other EU leaders.

But for Russia-hating Poland’s voters to back off from Project Ukraine would throw a wrench in any US “coalition of the willing” escalation fantasies, since many hawks have assumed Poland would be willing to supply troops and materiel for direct action if push came to shove.

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki’s revelation to local media on Wednesday that his country had stopped supplying arms to Ukraine in favor of arming itself showed just how far bilateral ties have plunged over the past week. Warsaw unilaterally extended restrictions on its eastern neighbor’s agricultural imports upon the expiry of the European Commission’s deal on 15 September in order to protect its farmers, which prompted Kiev to complain to the WTO about it on Monday.

Later that same day, Polish government spokesman Piotr Muller suggested that Warsaw might let its aid to Ukrainian refugees lapse next spring instead of extending it, thus hinting at a willingness to expand their trade dispute into other dimensions. If that happens, then the over one and a half million Ukrainians temporarily residing in Poland would either have to return home or go to elsewhere to Germany for instance. Everything then snowballed into a full-blown political crisis on Tuesday.

Polish Minister of European Affairs Szymon Szynkowski vel Sek ominously warned that:

Ukraine’s actions make no impression on us… but they do make a certain impression on Polish public opinion. This can be seen in the polls, in the level of public support for continued support for Ukraine. And this harms Ukraine itself. We would like to continue supporting Ukraine, but, for this to be possible, we must have the support of Poles in this matter. If we don’t have it, it will be difficult for us to continue supporting Ukraine in the same way as we have been doing so far.


Polish President Andrzej Duda’s response that he shared with reporters showed how offended he was:

Ukraine is behaving like a drowning person clinging to everything he can… but we have the right to defend ourselves against harm being done to us. A drowning person is extremely dangerous, he can pull you down to the depths… simply drown the rescuer. We must act to protect ourselves from the harm being done to us, because if the drowning person… drowns us, he will not get help. So we have to take care of our interests and we will do it effectively and decisively.

It was against this backdrop that Poland urgently summoned the Ukrainian Ambassador on Wednesday, after which Morawiecki revealed later that day that Poland is no longer sending weapons to Kiev. Prior to Ukraine complaining to the WTO about Poland, which is what set this fast-moving sequence of events into motion, tensions were already boiling for some time as a result of the failed counteroffensive sobering them up from the mutual delusion of seemingly inevitable victory over Russia.

Changes are a coming..... Rand Paul stands in the senate vowing to stop further $$ to Ukraine...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 21 2023 14:05 utc | 11

⚡️ The source reports that the commanders of the Georgian National Legion, fighting on the side of Ukraine, are lobbying for a project to carry out massive drone strikes on critical infrastructure in Abkhazia.

Abkhazia is strategically located next to Sochi, where Putin regularly visits. Russia is launching an airport in Abkhazia, which is intended as a reserve site, including for military purposes. Georgian fighters propose to carry out pre-emptive strikes on airport facilities to prevent it from being launched.

There is also a Russian military base in Abkhazia.

Their goals also include destabilizing the South Caucasus region and the subsequent overthrow of the pro-Russian government in Georgia. Recently, the Georgian intelligence service announced a planned coup d'etat for the fall of this year. Georgian fighters fighting in Ukraine will, after some time, begin a massive return to Georgia for these purposes.


https://t.me/legitimniy/16302

Posted by: Down South | Sep 21 2023 14:14 utc | 12

The Ukrainian counteroffensive has only a few weeks left - after the rains begin, it will be necessary to sum up the results, which will demonstrate the inability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to break through Russian defenses this year.

The state of affairs at the front clearly indicates that the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has entered its decisive phase. Ukraine has already brought its reserves into battle, despite the fact that the initial goals (to reach Melitopol, to cut the supply lines of the Russian Armed Forces near the shore of the Sea of ​​​​Azov) were not achieved. Ukraine also suffers from a chronic shortage of air defense capabilities, a shortage of howitzers and artillery pieces, a shortage of electronic warfare systems, missiles and, perhaps most importantly, having at best 25% of the required mine clearance capacity.

At the same time, Russia’s multi-level, deeply echeloned defense relies heavily on minefields aimed at slowing down the enemy’s advance or directing the Ukrainian Armed Forces into affected areas where pre-prepared artillery crews await them.

Western experts are already pointing out that supplying Kyiv with long-range missiles and aircraft will not improve the situation, and the fighting is developing into a long war of attrition, naturally, not in favor of Ukraine.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/19763

Posted by: Down South | Sep 21 2023 14:19 utc | 13

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 21 2023 14:05 utc | 11

Great post, I think zelensky might have stepped on his own dick with those lawsuits... With the upcoming elections, Poland won't back down

Posted by: ctiger | Sep 21 2023 14:20 utc | 14

Brian Berletic posted the following on his twitter channel
Inconvenient Truth Regarding Russian Losses (according to pro-Western sources)

USG-backed Mediazona indicates Russian casualties amid Ukraine's major offensive are near their lowest of the conflict.

Spike in timeline's middle was fighting over Bakhmut.

h/t A. Mercouris

Mediazona reports on Russian Losses during the SMO...
At least 3508 confirmed military deaths between 4 Jun 23 -- 7 Sept 23 Number of deaths / day
has dropped significantly during the last month(s)

This while Poltava Oblast reports 90% of it's mobilized soldiers are dead....

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 21 2023 14:20 utc | 15

The conflict between the Office of the President and Zaluzhny has been going on for more than a year; at Bankova they are dissatisfied with the independence of the Commander-in-Chief and the fact that he cannot be fired, while he is Zelensky’s main political competitor.

Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny may become a defendant in a criminal case regarding the rapid seizure of southern Ukraine by the Russians, the BBC reports, citing sources.

The investigation has been going on for a year and a half. The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has already spoken with investigators, but has no procedural status in this case yet.

“It is possible that such a status will appear later. Given this possible development of events, in narrow political circles the case of the occupation of the South is already being called the “Zaluzhny case,” the publication writes.

The SBU and the State Bureau of Investigation refused to respond to a request regarding Zaluzhny’s participation in the investigative actions.

So far, no one has received suspicion in this case, but this could happen in the near future. While interrogations are ongoing. Among those interrogated are generals, representatives of the military command and civil authorities.

In particular, the following were interrogated:

- Commander of the Defense Forces Sergei Naev,
- former commanders of the group of troops "South", including generals Andrei Kovalchuk and Andrei Sokolov,
- commanders of other military formations that are part of this group,
- ex-chiefs of the General Staff Viktor Muzhenko and Ruslan Khomchak,
- ex-commander of the 59th separate motorized infantry brigade that defended the south, Alexander Vinogradov,
- military man Ivan Sestrivatovsky, who was supposed to blow up the bridges on Chongar, but for some reason he didn’t succeed,
- former leaders of Kherson, including ex-chairman of the Kherson OVA Gennady Laguta, who was found dead in Kyiv on September 16.

An Air Force source in the President's Office says that the military had to blow up bridges and take other measures according to the regulations, without Zelensky's command.

Previously, information appeared in the media about allegedly tense relations between Zelensky and Zaluzhny, but both sides denied it.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/19764

Posted by: Down South | Sep 21 2023 14:22 utc | 16

Russia must and will be destroyed!!!

Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 21 2023 14:24 utc | 17

Posted by: Bramble | Sep 21 2023 13:56 utc | 10

##############

The UN's predecessor, the League of Nations, was also corrupt. It's key founder Woodrow Wilson was one of the earliest "progressive" Americans.

IMO, it's less about who is involved specifically, and more about the fact that all of these institutions have a consistent pattern of rot over time.

That won't stop people from creating and supporting these institutions whose outcome is inevitable.

Hope in our fellow men can the best, and worst, thing about humanity.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2023 14:24 utc | 18

In case you missed this...
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-92023-friction-and-turmoil
State Duma Chairman Andrey Kartapolov has now put speculation to rest with a new decree which states directly that previously mobilized troops will not be “demobilized”, and that their term will end only when the SMO itself ends:

"They will return home after completing a special military operation. No rotation is provided. They are entitled to leave for every six months served, and they now go on these vacations, " the deputy said.

However, they are still stating simply that the 300k mobilized from last year will not be mass demobilized until the war is over.

This is good news as it means Russia is building up its forces. Interestingly, on this topic, General Milley made a new statement where he referenced that Russia has 200k or “200k plus” troops in Ukraine. Once again we recall that I’ve repeatedly hammered the point that Russia is using far less troops than people were led to believe. If they have only 200k+ in Ukraine now after mass mobilizations and hundreds of thousands of new enlistments, imagine what they had at the very beginning? That’s why I stand by my reporting of Russia only using 70-80k men in the opening stages of the SMO, and not much more than that even by the time of the first year anniversary. Though I should mention that I believe Russia has total 350-450k forces as part of the SMO, but they are not necessarily all in Ukraine or on the frontlines, as a portion is being used for rotation purposes, etc.

Ultimately though there may be some deliberate deception at play from the Russian Duma as they may not want to completely reveal their future war plans. So for all we know they may be building those newly recruited for a huge strike fist while for now downplaying them as reserves of a sort.

Moving on, the other big subject for which we have an update is Ukrainian losses. Yesterday’s bombshell came from the head of Poltava region military commissariat:

Losses of last year's replenishment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to 90 percent - military commissar of Poltava

This recognition was made by the acting head of the Poltava Regional TCC, Lieutenant Colonel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Vitaly Berezhnoy.

Big question... when will the Ukie war machine fall apart??

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 21 2023 14:26 utc | 19

Will Schryver discusses M777 inventory currently operational in Ukie hands...
Will Schryver
@imetatronink
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12h
The AFU must now be depleted to a scant few dozen US-supplied M-777 howitzers.

Estimating the number of unreported shipments, they had to have received at least 200 units in total.

I'll bet they have fewer than 50 of them remaining, likely all of them with worn tubes.

The Russian Tornado-S MLRS is far superior to the American HIMARS.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz drew a very impressive crowd at the UN. (Hall was empty)

Germany is racing towards failed-state status.

There are increasing indications the Russians are ramping up preparations for a major counter-offensive. How and where remains to be seen. But if history is any guide, they will move with overwhelming force and decisiveness.

So apparently a US pilot, for reasons that remain unclear, ejected from a still-flying Marine Corps F-35B somewhere over South Carolina, but a frantic search cannot locate the abandoned jet. And now the USMC commandant has ordered a two-day "stand-down" for "all aviation units" around the world!!!

Note well, the order is not for "all F-35 units", but for "all aviation units".

To me, that must be interpreted as everything that flies — attack aircraft, tankers, helicopters, etc.

WHY?

This makes absolutely no sense at all — and STRONGLY suggests that they actually DO KNOW what happened to that F-35B ... and it must be DAMN SERIOUS — and somehow applicable to ALL AIRCRAFT for them to have ordered a total stand-down of "all aviation units".

Well ... I cannot for the life of me imagine what would warrant such an extreme action on the part of the US military. But it simply must be something that has severely spooked them.


Worn tubes means poor accuracy.... World wide stand down means critical maintenance is slip shod to the point aircraft fail in flight....

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 21 2023 14:32 utc | 20

If Poland truly ceased weapon shipments, it should show up in the front line within 2 weeks at most. Of course, they might be just pretending.

Regardless of what Poland does, Russia is already squeezing the AFU pocket (Rabotyne-Verbove-Novopokrovsk) tighter, and the AFU forces have stopped in Kleschevka area. The collapse of former pocket could end up in disaster, considering AFU also has inadequate amount of AFVs to evacuate or transport anyone.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 21 2023 14:33 utc | 21

An important article at the WSWS today.
According to Andre Damon the US is preparing the way for all out war against Russia.

"The Biden administration used Tuesday’s meeting of the United Nations General Assembly as a platform to launch a full-throated tirade against Russia, of the kind made by countries before they declare war..." https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/09/21/aciy-s21.html

Posted by: bevin | Sep 21 2023 14:44 utc | 22

Slavyangrad Telegram Channel Reports...
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/64050
The government has approved a list of countries whose banks will be able to participate in currency trading in Russia

Foreign credit organizations and brokers from friendly and neutral countries will be allowed to trade on the Russian foreign exchange market and on the market for derivative financial instruments. An order approving the list of such states was signed by Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin.

The list includes more than 30 countries. These are Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Bahrain, Brazil, Venezuela, Vietnam, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Qatar, China, Cuba, Malaysia, Morocco, Mongolia, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Thailand, Turkey, South African Republic.

The Resolution was prepared to implement the new norms of the Federal Law "On Organized Trading" adopted in July 2023. These norms are aimed at increasing the efficiency of the mechanism of direct conversion of national currencies of friendly and neutral countries and the formation of direct quotations to the ruble to meet the demand of the Russian economy for settlements in the national currency.

It is surprising how weak the impact of the "hole ceiling" on Russian oil grades has been. This speaks not so much about Russia's strong economic and political ties with the world's producers of the Global South (although, this is also true), but about the wild miscalculations of American geopoliticians and all sorts of "think tanks" in planning the economic struggle against our country and their foreign policy weakness.

While the "hegemon" is burning its strategic reserve of oil and gasoline in hopes of somehow keeping domestic prices down until the end of Biden's first term so that the Democrats have any chance of re-election, Russia's and Saudi Arabia's voluntary production and export cuts, as well as growing demand in India and China, are pushing oil prices well above the "hole ceiling" invented by America's handlers.

Higher market values have already allowed Russia to squeeze the "hegemon" in the traditional U.S. diesel markets of Brazil, and Mexico. Russian exporters are gradually entering other Latin American fuel markets. But now we will talk not about them, but about Asian markets.

Bloomberg sheds crocodile tears over the U.S. plans to limit the income of Russian oil producers - and our state - through a "price ceiling" on oil. This is especially true for the Russian ESPO grade, which is maximally suitable for diesel production at refineries in APR countries. Unfortunately, Russian refineries are not "customized" for ESPO, and all oil of this grade is exported.

And it is going very well, according to the complaining notes in Bloomberg. Thus, on the third day ESPO outpaced Brent grade in terms of price. Not by much - by 60 cents - but it is the fact itself that is important. For the last time such an overtaking was in December 2022, i.e. before the introduction of the "hole ceiling" of 60 dollars per "barrel" of Russian "totalitarian oil without molecules of freedom and democracy". After the introduction of the "ceiling", ESPO was shipped at a discount to Brent at $15 per "barrel" in the worst months.

For reference, the current price of Brent is trading at 92 dollars and 46 cents. That is, ESPO under October delivery contracts is shipped for 93 dollars.

But this is not good news either. The fact is that Russia has set its sights on global expansion into diesel markets. This is much more profitable than selling oil, as it leaves more added value in our country. So, because of the ill-considered attempts of the US to destabilize the Russian economy, they have thrown the world markets not only for oil, but also for fuel out of balance. And diesel, which is actively traded by Russia, also costs above the "ceiling" prices - in the neighborhood of 140 dollars. Exactly the same price per barrel is fixed today at American gas stations, which is a historical record.

It is interesting that at such tasty prices, European refineries were underloaded due to the refusal of Russian oil. African decolonization with the termination of some contracts with French refineries has also added to Europe's problems. This has already pushed diesel and gasoline prices in the "Old World" by 60% during the summer months. While European refineries were able to "cut super profits" due to market conditions, they had to suffer losses from downtime due to anti-European decisions of officials who sold out to the "American Obkom".

As a result, we can cautiously state that the time of discounts on Russian oil and gasoline is over, and the American satellites led by their "hegemon" have driven themselves into an extremely difficult fuel situation. It is unclear what "ceilings" we can talk about today. The attempt to restrict Russia, which is illegal from the point of view of international law, has failed and has hurt the United States, which has been forced to sell off its strategic reserves, and Europe, which is experiencing a fuel shortage. On which I congratulate you.

Russia is organizing payment systems for it's products outside the reach of NATO sanctions...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 21 2023 14:52 utc | 23

Notice Murdock is gone, wondering about this.

Haven't seen anything in the news. Like the unga didn't happen. News my area doesn't cover it.

When I searched google news aggregate unga, again nothing about ze! After page five yahoonews article ranking news at past fifty articles. Searching more to hundred list, only two entries mentioned.

This was a blackout. America tired of Ukraine bs.


Plus holidays soon, Americans most miserable time of year. The worst months, everybody angry, poorer, and hungry, cold.

Biden the worst president this country ever had. But USA deserves every bit.

Posted by: Redwhiteorange | Sep 21 2023 15:00 utc | 24

"Poland will no longer send weapons to Ukraine, says PM, as grain dispute escalates"

Posted by: Themanwhofelltoearth | Sep 21 2023 15:11 utc | 25

German radio news just said that this was a translation issue and Poland will still deliver weapons… LOL, somebody obviously intervened here.

Posted by: Zet | Sep 21 2023 15:14 utc | 25

While we await the outcome of the surrender terms offered to Blinken and his donkey.
A little reflection on some meme.

Re “ Russia must and will be destroyed!!!
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 21 2023 14:24 utc | 17”

Not it must NOT and never WILL BE you undisguised Nazi sloganeer

Tolstoy a South African born English diplomats son, I understand , who became an English professor at Oxford.
Spent decades inventing the new religion of ‘his’ books based on Norse and other fairytales.
It is a riff on the Great Civilised West and the Unwashed Barbaric East.
They have been monstering Russia for centuries because it refused to yield.

CS Lewis , another professor, was working on his invention Narnia.
As others also have done and still do, to provide some new fusion to grab the future children’s imaginations so they can be made to do terrible things to other humans for the will of a very few.

These professors would regularly read each others inventions and provide critique and feedback to perfect the ‘imaginary lands’ - which had characters that seemed to resemble us, the good , the hobbits, or these born to rule, using children as ciphers.

Oxbridge (Ivy League in US) is where the Establishment always trained its senior managers, recruited its spies and gave easy rides to the thicko aristos and bought foreign potentates equally thicko children and let them become the willing toys of the imperialists.

They run our world and they use the invented religions because old religions don’t hold power over these who know that a god did not exist, did not create the universe in 6 days, that the sun doesn’t orbit us, there is no heaven and hell is right here and right now, in this life because we are the slaves of the very few - who need imaginary stories to keep us under control and give our week minded , uneducated thugs a reason to hate their fellow Man.

Orcs ! Indeed. What do they consider themselves to be? Some strang asexual elfin types? Some weird child size butter wouldn’t melt little hobbits, from an island like ‘shire’?
Little small minded deluded children, spouting xenophobic chants and oaths.

All the PR supremos and Propaganda merchants from Ponsonby onwards, including most of the ‘great’ English authors of the last 150 years created the current fake world we in the collective waste and our slave brethren we colonised , believe in.
Yankees, a created culture, became the creators of mass Film and TV land. Comic books and special effects. America is after all the greatest invention of the Europeans.
Greater than their individual empires - ALL of whom have only had the same Old Masters and Slave Owners Shapeshifting through history.

The Garden and the Jungle!
There will only be weeds left, nothing will live there.
The grain from Ukraine is poisonous, it is Genetically Modified and is being force fed people to make them ill.

The jungle however will always thrive and sustain.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 21 2023 15:15 utc | 26

Ursula was right after all:

Guys received a new tank from the Russian Federation, they went to new positions, and began working on enemy fortifications.

Suddenly, a voice emerged from the tank, saying, "Washing is complete," and the hatch opened by itself.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/64031

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 21 2023 15:16 utc | 27

RE: Themanwhofelltoearth @25

I’m a believer that the most obvious reason is the correct one… Poland doesn’t have anymore weapons to send. They can’t say that, because it would make them look weak. Their own cub boards are bare boned and they’re waiting on US restocks.
They got nothing to send is all. The whole NATO EU is an embarrassment.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 21 2023 15:27 utc | 28

LoveDonbass @ 18

The UN's predecessor, the League of Nations, was also corrupt. It's key founder Woodrow Wilson was one of the earliest "progressive" Americans.

Excellent point, and Wilson was one of the USA's most corrupt and racist Presidents.

Lots of institutions that seemed reasonable and functional during the cold war are being revealed for what they always were, tools of hegemony. It's quite shocking though I'm now inured, most people I meet haven't noticed a fucking thing.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 21 2023 15:30 utc | 29

Honestly if I wanted to see a little rat faced character dance around and hustle money out of me, I'd go to Disneyland.

The real news yesterday was that story on how imperialism's two junk yard dogs are fighting each other now. Poland says no more weaponry and described Ukraine as a drowning man who will try to pull it's rescuers down with it to a watery grave.

Change is certainly in the air.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 21 2023 15:34 utc | 30

Changes are a coming..... Rand Paul stands in the senate vowing to stop further $$ to Ukraine...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 21 2023 14:05 utc | 11

Boy, Rand is looking better and better to me. Well see how long he can sustain that pose.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 21 2023 15:36 utc | 31

by: bevin | Sep 21 2023 14:44 utc | 22

Thanks for this link.

It is scary that the USA really wants to escalate to the direct confrontation.

It is also enlightening that now the USA played its UN speech with the cards open, so there is no doubt about what they stand for.

RF must surrender, change its "regime" and dismember, says Biden in a nutshell.

He already has Putin's answer a year ago - "Let them try".

That is why we see no RF's offensive, and a very modest RF engagement.

This is yet another delusion of the USA where it tries to create its own reality, and it'll come at the huge cost.
My only hope is that some sort of internal struggle in the Senate brings this old, senile and evil man and his rotten clique down, even if January 6th is repeated at the higher intensity.
It is a lot better for Americans to burn their own house down than to push RF to do it for them.

Sure, they will try. I mean, for years they have been bringing piles of weapons to Europe and very little appeared on the front lines of Ukraine, mainly trash.

I expect some sort of action where NATO manoeuvres will just transform on the fly into an open attack on RF's installations and AD systems.
For NATO and the USA there is no way back, as they are lost in the forest of their delusional supremacy and Nazi style exceptionalism.
Question that remains is where they will find meat for it?

The Western military has predicted around 3.600 NATO KIA a day on this wide open front, I say double that and add losses in assets such as bases and airports and a majority in main infrastructure throughout Europe. And it'll be, not even nuclear.
This will not end up well for NATO, EU, and the USA let alone Biden's wicked Mafia administration.

I am sure RF knows more about NATO's plans than the other way around, and that is why I do not really panic there.
How very stupid speech and a move from Biden.
A real shame it is, and that will be hard to wash off for many generations to come.


Posted by: whirlX | Sep 21 2023 15:36 utc | 32

RE: unimperator | Sep 21 2023 14:33 utc | 21
“If Poland truly ceased weapon shipments, it should show up in the front line within 2 weeks at most. Of course, they might be just pretending”

Not necessarily. They stated they would remain a corridor for others to ship weapons through.

They don’t have anything to send themselves, they’re probably below minimum for themselves now.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 21 2023 15:38 utc | 33

Poland’s declaration of no weapons was for new shipments, those already contracted and agreed will continue. But the tell is the reason Poland gave: it must arm itself. That suggests that Poland was in the process of running itself dry. Some will respond that Poland announced lots of new weapons procurement. It did, but announcing contracts is not the same as announcing delivery. Not to mention that Poland’s long term budget is not going to support their military wishlist.

Likely the Poles are A. electioneering because PiS is getting a lot of pressure with elections coming up and B. indicating that Ukraine as a military force able to withstand Russia is all but done. For the latter situation it means that anything more going to Ukraine is wasted, with the corollary that Polish leadership may be reading the US getting ready to cut the cord and realizing that when push comes to shove, Poland will not be able to rely on the US. In which case it needs to focus on its own capability rather than supporting Ukraine for the US.

Posted by: Lex | Sep 21 2023 15:39 utc | 34

TO: ZET @8

Thanks for links, was an awesome read. The English version isn’t completed yet, as still being translated I think, do say “to be continued”… but excellent read out.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 21 2023 15:41 utc | 35

DunGroanin | Sep 21 2023 13:32 said this:

" ... Multilateral seems to be the new doublespeak for Unipolar ..."

(All boldened and [bracketed] text in this post is by LongCovid.)
It gets even better, when MULTILATERAL becomes MULTISTAKEHOLDER, as e.g. in the UN Secretary-General's proposal from the "Summit of the Future Policy", March 2023.
It is quite hellish IMHO (or maybe just scary or omnious) ... but VERY interesting. You can check it for yourself. Google

1. "OUR COMMON AGENDA", or
2. "Strengthening the International Response to Complex Global Shocks", or
3. "Emergency Platform" + "UN Secretary-General"

Here's the excerpt from the document (UN Sec-Gen proposal) titled "Our Common Agenda, Policy Brief 2: Strengthening the International Response to Complex Global Shocks - An Emergency Platform":

"... [page #14]
INCLUSIVE AND MULTISTAKEHOLDER:
An Emergency Platform would be inclusive and allow for the participation of all relevant actors with an ability to contribute meaningfully to the global response. This should include relevant actors from from all parts of the world, including the private sector[!], civil society[!], subject-matter experts[!], academics and others. The Secretary-General would be responsible[!] for identifying such relevant actors and for overseeing their contribution to the response."

Posted by: LongCovid | Sep 21 2023 15:46 utc | 36

Posted by: Lex | Sep 21 2023 15:39 utc | 35

Most likely Poland ran out of Krab self propelled howitzers, T-72 tanks and whatever else they gave Ukraine in copious amounts. Those things are still the backbone of Ukraine's army, so there will be an effect.

Poland is waiting for US and South Korea to replace the items they gave Ukraine. And US has choices to either give everything to Ukraine, or actually fill EU Nato country orders, like Polish orders.

This is why project Ukraine is in a predicament. Nato/US found out that "ramping war industry" isn't just as easy as snapping fingers, Nato is suffering high inflation in the most basic ammunition already.

You need actually factories and skilled workforce, energy and raw materials to ramp up industries. Look at Germany, they are going in the opposite direction and energy and raw material shortages pop up immediately when usage goes up in the slightest amount.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 21 2023 15:46 utc | 37

Poland's Duda and Speaker McCarthy are doing the Baerbock 360. The media can't keep up with their position on the Ukraine.

We're drowning.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2023 15:50 utc | 38

I'd summarize Seymour Hersch's "When the intelligence is inconvenient" as: Ukraine has already lost, and if the US sends in the military, it will be the US that loses next. Don't.

Posted by: Passerby | Sep 21 2023 15:51 utc | 39

I’m guessing Bidens meeting with the C5 (Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, ect)
Was yes, an obvious play to assert and cause problems for China and Russia, but the more immediate was probably to get Soviet era weapons off of them. Probably a very hefty bribe offer.

Let’s face it, they can approve those billions, but they need boatloads of more weapons, preferably Soviet for Ukrainians to use or this thing dies by Christmas.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 21 2023 15:52 utc | 40

they can approve those billions

Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 21 2023 15:52 utc | 41

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Can they indeed?

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2023 15:57 utc | 41

whirlX @ 33

I expect some sort of action where NATO manoeuvres will just transform on the fly into an open attack on RF's installations and AD systems.

Yup, I expect that too, as does Russia, as does China, we are in the preliminary phase were all the parties are getting their ducks in a row. Then bang one side makes the big move, which here will be NATO and the USA. All wars seem to follow that path, dancing around each other in the ring before throwing the first punch.

When Putin said, "let them try" he was resigned to it. Seemed incidental but I caught it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 21 2023 15:59 utc | 42

While the USSR could wipe NATO out without much trouble, the USSR and NATO never actually came to blows. So the USSR's advantage in conventional land warfare was never used. Add to that the USSR's lack of sufficient food production for its population and being dependent on grain and meat imports, and you have a situation which is untenable in the long run. The West was therefore able to use its advantage in the BS'ting MSM and finance to impact the USSR.

Russia has inherited the USSR's military advantage over NATO as far as conventional land warfare is concerned, while being in a food surplus situation due mainly to newly introduced cultivars of wheat. The West's dominance in the BS'ting MSM and finance, while still strong, now has no impact on Russia. Russia is now using its military advantage by engaging in its SloMO in Ukraine. The West has no answer to this skirmish. This conflict is existential for the West.

Military might wins over high culture, MSM BS and financial skulduggery all the time, but only if the military might is used. Russia has learnt from the USSR.

Posted by: gT | Sep 21 2023 16:08 utc | 43


@ Dr. George W Oprisko 15

"At least 3508 confirmed [Russian] military deaths between 4 Jun 23 -- 7 Sept."

We know Ukrainian deaths were 71,000 in that same period, so the ratio is an extremely impressive 1:20.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 21 2023 16:11 utc | 44

BS and financial skulduggery

Posted by: gT | Sep 21 2023 16:08 utc | 44

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The World's 3 biggest companies buy revenue are:

. Amazon
. Walmart
. State Grid Corporation of China

One of those companies is unlike the others.

Posted by: too scents | Sep 21 2023 16:15 utc | 45

Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 21 2023 14:24 utc | 17

Dont just type from your basement, lead by example and go fight for your orcraine!
____

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 21 2023 15:59 utc | 43

Sooner or later they have to do something stupid. Project “ukraine“ wont get any big return on investment if this drags on by the next fiscal year shareholders meeting.

Personally id say thousand pinpricks are the bigger problem for russia, but nato needs their big hollywood moment, or else the caravan moves on...

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 21 2023 16:20 utc | 46

@DunGroanin #5

Try replacing nitter.net with nitter.poast.org

Looks like a temporary issue, owner zedeus accidentally broke the main instance:

https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/1029

Posted by: neutrino | Sep 21 2023 16:34 utc | 47

US 10 yr rate 4.48% so far today @ Bloomberg. Seems like someone set a wild fire in the bonds field. That's .37 points higher than Greece, bastion of stability it is.

How High Is The Water Mamma
Two Feet High And Rising
How High Is The Water Papa
She Said It Is Two Feet High And Rising
We Can Make It To The Road In A Homemade Boat
'Cause Thats The Only Thing That We've Got Left That Floats

Five Feet High and Rising
Johnny Cash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK7P4Sgomtw


Posted by: bubbles | Sep 21 2023 16:45 utc | 48

Just in: Russia is stopping exports of diesel and gasoline.

The argument is that prices have risen in RF and supply is constrained due to excessive exports. Perhaps. Perhaps. However, a more likely reason is that there is an opportunity to engage in a little asymmetric warfare (principally with Europe) now that the oil market has tightened significantly and deliver great pain to their economies.

People might think due to the hype around EVs and the like, that diesel demand is decreasing and not a major issue. However, all trucks, buses, and trains that aren't somehow EV (and there aren't many of these) rely on diesel. The curb will turn the screws on Europe and also the US since it is also experiencing a tight market with the added bonus of really pleasing buyers of Russian crude (think China and India) who can now resell higher priced oil derivatives to the West.

A very simple decision with a good cover (gasoline and diesel prices have risen in the RF) that will have a depressing effect on Western economies and even drive up inflation. Since UKr is supplied from Europe, this will increase the cost of EU's support. A good way to increase discontent at the present policy.

One has to think this is a really nice action in terms of max pain with minimum cost. The word "brilliant" springs to mind. And the timing couldn't be better with all the blovation about stopping Russian oil.

Posted by: Scots Bloke | Sep 21 2023 16:50 utc | 49

I have read that NK is to supply Russia with 10 million 152 and 122 mm artillery shells.
10 thousand a day for three years roughly.
Here is my question.
Anyone care to comment on the status of the Russia ability to manufacture the required barrels for their artillery.?

Posted by: jpc | Sep 21 2023 16:55 utc | 50

So the west is withdrawing support from Zelensky even while claim that this is going to be a long war.
Makes me think they do not want/expect actual negotiations, but they simply want to appear to be promoting negotiations so that they can be in better position for elections.
It seems they no longer feel obliged to be discrete about their dishonesty.

Posted by: jared | Sep 21 2023 13:54 utc | 9

I have seen no evidence that the West is doing anything other than double down on the War in Ukraine.

And ignore anything the Polish government says for the time being, as it's just election theater. The ruling Polish Party, PiS, is trying to cast itself as the only party representing specifically Polish interests. But once the elections are over, Poland will slink back into line, no matter who wins.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Sep 21 2023 16:59 utc | 51

"US 10 yr rate 4.48% so far today @ Bloomberg. Seems like someone set a wild fire in the bonds field. That's .37 points higher than Greece, bastion of stability it is."

Interesting, Keep in mind that UST yields were well over 10% in the early 1980s for a time.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Sep 21 2023 17:00 utc | 52

@ Posted by: neutrino | Sep 21 2023 16:34 utc | 48

Thank you that works!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 21 2023 17:03 utc | 53

Scots Bloke @ 50

Perhaps indeed, all food moves on diesel. Throughout history that's what really breaks governments. Russians have the fuel, Russians have the grain. Doesn't have to be 100%, just the percentage needed to bust things up.

bubbles @ 49

Terrific Bubbles. Made my day. And, yeh, I live on high ground.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 21 2023 17:05 utc | 54

Last night I finally posted my substack article containing the translation of Lavrov's UNSC speech that was seen by some barflies while it apparently eluded others. So again, "Lavrov's Devastating UNSC Presentation".

Also worthy of reading is Finnian Cunningham's latest at SCF, "New Iron Curtain in Europe, Like Last One, is a Creation of Western Hostility Towards Russia", which contains one excellent nugget about who coined the "Iron Curtain" phrase.

The MFA's Russian language page has numerous readouts of the many sideline meetings occurring at the UNGA along with links to the six meetings Putin's special envoy for the Middle East and Africa Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov had with national representatives from that region and their readouts. I've found that waiting for the few English translations is a waste of time, plus you don't get anywhere near the amount of information. And the same goes for the Kremlin's website.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2023 17:07 utc | 55

All aviation units
#20 Oprisko

Interesting, also
seeing Shoigu in Iran yesterday only added to the mystery since federalist empire would never admit defeat. Coincidence

Westpoint thinks
Cognitive superiority is achieved through technological advantage

Sucks to be them

Posted by: Eleven bravo | Sep 21 2023 17:09 utc | 56

jpc | Sep 21 2023 16:55 utc | 51--

I don't see that info as a question of barrels. Rather, I agree with Simplicius that it's all about providing for the doctrinal ammo reserve so a massive offensive can be launched in Ukraine.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2023 17:11 utc | 57

DunGroanin be on fire today!

Posted by: nwwoods | Sep 21 2023 17:16 utc | 58

Poland walking back its “no more weapons for ukraine“ and slovakia settling its dispute on grain already.
The invisible hand working overtime to keep the grift going.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 21 2023 17:18 utc | 59

Doh! Re my post regarding ‘orcs’ at Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 21 2023 15:15 utc | 27

“Tolstoy a South African born English diplomats son..”

I obviously meant TOLKIEN of course not the great Russian Tolstoy !

Sorry. The perils of thumb typing a long comment on a phone ..

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 21 2023 17:19 utc | 60

Scots Bloke | Sep 21 2023 16:50 utc | 50--

Russia's hot economy is driving its fuel prices up, so it's restricting exports to solve the demand issue. Russia is very sensitive to inflation and is walking a fine-line policy-wise as it wants wages to rise (which they are) while lowering consumer costs. Currently, the budgeting process for 2024 and planning for 2025-6 is nearing its completion. Since logistics and related infrastructure growth are national priorities, fuel use will escalate. Just expanding rail transport 100% will lead to an increase in diesel as not all of Russia's railways are electrified. And so forth.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2023 17:27 utc | 61

To: too scents | Sep 21 2023 16:15 utc | 46

The World's 3 biggest companies buy revenue are:

. Amazon
. Walmart
. State Grid Corporation of China

One of those companies is unlike the others.

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Well, I don't get it. They all get their warez from China!?

Posted by: C | Sep 21 2023 17:32 utc | 62

"Anyone care to comment on the status of the Russia ability to manufacture the required barrels for their artillery.?
Posted by: jpc | Sep 21 2023 16:55 utc | 51"

Western studies have recently said Russia is producing 7 times more artillery than entire West.

But West will most likely almost catch them in 5-10 years.

Russia is most likely being prudent and finding more sources now. In case of a BIG war with the entire West.

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 21 2023 17:35 utc | 63

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 21 2023 14:24 utc | 18

"The UN's predecessor, the League of Nations, was also corrupt. It's key founder Woodrow Wilson was one of the earliest "progressive" Americans."

I agree that Woodrow Wilson, an academic , was a piss poor president-he was 'progressive' . My thinking is that the earlier progressives Teddy Roosevelt along with the writings/influence of Sinclair Lewis and alike al was a positive economic and cultural step for America..

Teddy must have done something right as the Republicans wouldn't let him run in 1912, he ran independently against Taft which allowed Wilson to sneak through

Wilson was but a puppet of the City of London.

Posted by: canuck | Sep 21 2023 17:36 utc | 64

The Real wonderweapon has secretly emerged.
Russia's LISTVA
Is the most hightech advancement in hundred years of war. America keeps getting smaller on the map everyday
https://tass.com/defense/1661583

Posted by: Eleven bravo | Sep 21 2023 17:36 utc | 65

Posted by: Scots Bloke | Sep 21 2023 16:50 utc | 50

Biden also pledged to empty the rest of US strategic petroleum reserve, which is already historical all-time lows. It has the ability to cause disruptions in US.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 21 2023 17:43 utc | 66

Posted by: Zet | Sep 21 2023 13:52 utc | 8

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2023 17:07 utc | 56.

Lavrov's speech. No mention of the essential fact: that the Russian military action taken on 24 February 2022 was taken to pre-empt a feared incursion into the Donbass by the Kiev forces.

Why would Lavrov omit this essential fact?

Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 21 2023 17:46 utc | 67

Interesting, Keep in mind that UST yields were well over 10% in the early 1980s for a time.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Sep 21 2023 17:00 utc | 53

I remember. I bought a nice 3 bdr bungalow in a good sized community for $25,000 a few years before that and an old farm for even less.. Things were different then.

Posted by: bubbles | Sep 21 2023 17:47 utc | 68

karlof1 @ 62

Russia's hot economy is driving its fuel prices up, so it's restricting exports to solve the demand issue.

I'm not sure how a country with ample fossil fuels can have supply issues, Gazprom is pretty much a state run corporation, the state could just fix prices at the pump. Nixon did this in the 1970s and oil in the USA isn't state run.

Maybe it's about refining capacity, that's possible, but to me Russia limiting export sounds like a diplomatic way of saying we are sanctioning the west without looking like it's walking in the Empire's nasty footsteps. Oil, gas, grain, uranium, now diesel - energy and food, hybrid part is also escalating.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 21 2023 18:01 utc | 69

The success of the Ukrainian counteroffensive is the most convincing proof that NATO's military assistance reaches the address, and does not disappear into the pockets of corrupt Ukrainian officials — Stoltenberg
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/6062

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 21 2023 18:12 utc | 70

President Taft wouldn't approve the Federal Reserve, so the plutocrats engineered his defeat in the election of 2012. They got Theodore Roosevelt to run third-party, which split the Republican vote, so that Wilson was elected. Wilson successfully got the Federal Reserve Act through Congress and signed it.

Similarly, when GHW Bush couldn't get NAFTA through Congress, the plutocrats engineered Bill Clinton's election by having Perot run third-party.

Posted by: Lysias | Sep 21 2023 18:34 utc | 71

bubbles @ 69

I bought a nice 3 bdr bungalow in a good sized community for $25,000 a few years before that and an old farm for even less.. Things were different then.

Yes, now only Black Rock can buy condos and only Bill Gates can buy farms. As intended.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 21 2023 18:46 utc | 72

Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 21 2023 18:12 utc | 71

Hypothetically, yes, it would be the most convincing proof.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 21 2023 18:47 utc | 73

@ bevin, §22:
Jeez!
Is the wisdom of western civilization going to sit back and allow a dement to precipitate WW3?
Are they all nihilists or suicidal?

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 21 2023 19:18 utc | 74

unimperator @ 67

Biden also pledged to empty the rest of US strategic petroleum reserve, which is already historical all-time lows. It has the ability to cause disruptions in US.

It's supposed to be a "reserve, and "strategic", right? Rainy day fund, storm clouds on the horizon, best to top up??? Been following this for a while, maybe it's as simple as it looks, the DNC keeping prices at the pump under control for the election, little else matters.

On the other hand, maybe they are bum rushing the collapse. Nothing coming out of Washington is less than terrifying.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 21 2023 19:41 utc | 75

50

most mining and construction relies on diesel machines..so eg western mining of Lithium to gold ..potash for fertiliserss....agricultural seed sowing and harvesting...general farming dependan on diesel.to possible reconstruction of Ukraine plus all shipping of raw materials maybe naval shipping....emergency generators for military and hospitals....etc etc

Posted by: Jo | Sep 21 2023 19:53 utc | 76

@ Themanwhofelltoearth, §72:
There´s a lovely phrase for it: "two stops beyond Dagenham".
On the London underground map, Barking is two stops beyond Dagenham.
"Barking" is a colloquial abbreviation of "barking mad", i.e. barking like a rabid dog.

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 21 2023 19:54 utc | 77

ceasefire announced Armenia-Azer.
But then Azer demands all N-K separatists/separatists for all recent wars to be handed over to them.....now was this in the agreement or an add on as some kind of underhand trick? N-K residents(those who remain?) must hand over all weapons.....which presupposes any Azer. peoples who might be tempted to consolidate their own properties or expand into N-K and seize Armenian cultural families properties will be prevented by peacekeepers.....but suppose the Armenian cultural peoples are to be "persuaded" to go home and these peoples have no means of self defence....will /can peacekeepers protect them in the light of the last couple days when they could not?

Posted by: Jo | Sep 21 2023 20:03 utc | 78

What are Putin and his ‘peace keepers’ doing in Nagorno-Karabakh, who stood and watched the massacre of Armenians by the zionist supremacists let by Ilham Aliyev?

The Russian ‘peace keepers’ knew what they should do. They were told not to get involve, is not good for Russian interest, because Putin wants to keep the Turk on his side. Because Putin is an ally of Israel, and zionist Ilham Aliyev is a servant of Israel. Israel is using Baku to kill Iranians. Putin wants to keep supremacists ‘turk’ on his side, thus, is sacrificing Armenians and Iranians for his interests.

Yesterday at the UN assembly, the charlatan, Erdugan, told the world that Baku and Turkey are ONE STATE. Putin, like the zionist Aliyev is an ally of Israel. Putin allows Israel to bomb Syria on a daily basis and you, Pepe, is ignoring all these crimes against humanity because the Christian world does not have a ‘leader’, so everyone ignores how Putin is using others for his political interest.

Never forget that Iran is the MAIN country responsible for the fall of the ‘rules-based order’ due to Iran and his allies’ RESISTANCE to zionist mass murderers’ expansionist plan and they have paid a heavy price NOT Russia or China. Everyone must remember this. Putin was begging the mass murderers until two years ago, but the West denied his request to be accepted as an equal ally. Then, Putin changed the course. Russia always was part of the criminal West against the rest.

Iran stood against the warmongers alone, and paid a heavy PRICE for it where still goes on, not china. China always cooperated fully with the mass murderers in Washington because China was in a good position as long as china helped the West against the Soviet Union. However, China was smart enough to use the opportunity to improve its economic condition greatly where US cannot easily defeat China anymore.

((Azerbaijan went all out against Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh by bombing the regional capital Stepanakert with Israeli surface-to-surface LORA missiles and Israeli Harop kamikaze drones.))

There is ONLY one Azerbaijan in the world that is located in Iran. Many Iranians call it FAKE republic of Baku. Baku was part of Iranian territory until the Czar of Russia stole it in the 19th century. If Khazar Tribe can pose as ‘Hebrews’ and steals Palestinian land, and Putin continue to capture territories in Georgia and Ukraine, add them to Russian territory, then Iran must take Baku back, because Baku was part of Iranian province of Azerbaijan until taken by Russia from Iran.

The majority of problems inthe region are related to Russia and Ottoman’s land grab and the transfer of the people in these territories to control people of the region. Stalin used this policy on Tajik people who speak Persian. You will find Tajik, beside Tajikistan, in Afghanistan, Uzbkistan and other states.

{{After the Russo-Persian wars of 1804–1813 and 1826–1828, Qajar Iran was forced to cede its Caucasian territories to the Russian Empire; the treaties of Gulistan in 1813 and Turkmenchay in 1828 defined the border between Czarist Russia and Qajar Iran.The region north of the Aras was Iranian until it was occupied by Russia during the 19th century.}}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan%E2%80%93Iran_relations

Stalin deliberately kept the name Azerbaijan to steal the rest later on. In fact, Stalin created a pro Russian puppet group in the Iranian province of Azerbaijan during WWII, but Iran and the US were against it, thus, it did not survive and Stalin went into his grave few years later for good.
Putin should not help the Zionist supremacists, Erdugan and Aliyev against the interest of Armenia and Iran. He should watch his steps not to bring the past hatred back.

Posted by: Sari | Sep 21 2023 20:21 utc | 79

by: gT | Sep 21 2023 16:08 utc | 44

Russia put the USSR (CCCP) together. It also did let it go apart, but not entirely.
And it still is the biggest Bobo in the jungle, so hey cannot really learn from USSR anything, since this synergy was induced by what is today RF.
The only new, to them, way back then in early 90s, was the Western mind and attitude, set and acted outside of the almighty hypno-Toad style Hollywood and MTV propaganda. Yeah, not performing very impressive there.

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 21 2023 20:28 utc | 80

What happened to auslander and larchmonter?

Posted by: mi | Sep 21 2023 20:39 utc | 81

@ Bevin

The WSWS tends to overstate risks because it doesn't have a firm grasp or expertise on real military capabilities and logistics.

The US has taken a maximalist position from the start, but it doesn't have the means to intervene. NATO doesn't have the means to fight for more than a few weeks.

Scott Ritter and MacGregor have made these points, along with Martyanov.

WSWS gets the logic of the situation but often fails to see through the grand standing and bluster. It takes the US too seriously.

Posted by: Ringo | Sep 21 2023 20:46 utc | 82

@Sari, §81:
Armenia has invited its own fate by behaving, under Pashinyan, like the Ukraine.
You´re right, the Azeris are Turks and ⅔ of the Azeris are in the Irani provinces of Tabriz.
Russia may well agree to Turkey annexing these and the current Azerbaijan (and so gain a Caspian coast and the port of Baku) in exchange for Iran taking over the Kurdish areas of Turkey around Lake Van.
Russia´s price would be a northernmost slice of Azerbaijan, the Lezgian-speaking areas around Quba & Siyazan.
That might bring Armenia to its senses . . .

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 21 2023 21:05 utc | 83

" Posted by: John Marks | Sep 21 2023 21:05 utc | 85 "


Fake republic of Baku is controlled by Turkey/Israel against Iran. The Zionist mass murderers, Israel, is against Christian Armenia because Israel needs Baku territory to operate against Iran. Recently, people from Baku entered into Azerbaijan, the Iranian province, then went to Shiraz and killed many people including children in a Mosque while they were praying. The zionist Aliyev allows Israel to operate from Baku against Iran.

Putin sacrifices Christian Armenia for the interest of Israel, Turkey/Baku and Russia against Iran and Armenia because he needs to have the supremacist Turk on his side in the power struggle in the caucuses.
Aliyev wants to incorporate Armenia into fake republic of Baku and all of them want to deny Iran any role in the Caucasus because Iran has a civilization over 7000 years in the region that frightens them all including Russia. UK believes that Iran should not be allowed to have any role in the central Asia.

These wars are staged for the interest of the Jewish mafia tribe to deny Iran of its excellent geopolitical position in the Belt and Road Initiative Project, to prevent Iran becoming an economic powerhouse. Israel, Turkey, Baku, US, even Russia do not want this. Turkey, Israel and its servant Aliyev, want to deny Iran an opening to EUROPE. Russia has no objection to this plan so China. Iran will never accept this plan and will find a way to bring its enemies on their knees.

The Charlatan Erdugan said the following at the UN General assembly:

{{Türkiye’s expectation that Armenia fulfill its commitments, especially those related to the opening of the Zangezur corridor, a key planned unimpeded road through Armenian territory connecting Azerbaijan to its Nakhchivan exclave. As everyone now accepts, Karabakh is Azerbaijani territory. The imposition of any other status will never be accepted,}}

The Zangezur corridor is IRAN’s RED LINE and will not tolerate to see her enemies deny Iran of her rightful place. They know Iran will act. Shame on Putin that is cooperating with Iran’s enemies.

Zangezur is the only corridor that connects Iran to Europe. They want to suffocate Iranian nation since they could not do it by extreme economic sanctions.

Posted by: Sari | Sep 21 2023 21:11 utc | 84

@ mi | Sep 21 2023 20:39 utc | 83

Larchmonter is alive and well and regularly posts at Martyanov’s site (smoothiex12 at blogspot dot com) as Larch445.

Auslander has disappeared. I recall hearing something about a family tragedy, but that was long ago and his absence is troubling.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 21 2023 21:21 utc | 85

@ Sari, §86.
I don´t see that your argument from history (even 7000 years of it) is relevant. Iran has no citizens in the Caucasus, whatever it may have had in the past. And its role in central Asia is restricted to Tajikistan, basically a Persian exclave. The rest is overwhelmingly Turkish, from China across the steppes and the Caspian and through Azerbaijan (both the Irani parts and Aliyev´s part) and Turkey to Istanbul.
Even less understandable is your assertion that the proposed Zangezur road interferes with Irani trade.
As I said, Turkey would probably be very happy to swap the Kurdish Lake Van area for Irani Azerbaijan, which is Turkish-speaking. There need be no hostility whatsoever. Trade can continue regardless.
Without entering the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, I don´t think Iran helps its case by its insistence on expunging one side (Israel) from the map.

Posted by: John Marks | Sep 21 2023 21:41 utc | 86

Posted by: Sari | Sep 21 2023 21:11 utc | 86

Azerbaijan was under the Persian Empire from 532 BC to 233 BC. This seems like quite some time ago and hardly relevant.

It was under the Ottoman Empire, from the early sixteenth century to the early 19th century, at which point it became part of the Russian Empire.

The last time I went to Turkey, I ran into prosperous Azerbaijanis ladies near Izmir who were clearly Turkic and seemed quite content with their Turkish identity.

I really dont understand what you are talking about when you refer to Azerbaijan being Persian. Could you please explain it to me without the hyperbole? Were their Iranian ethnicities in Azerbaijan, sure, so what, there are also Black ethnicities in Africa, nobody claims Detroit belongs to Liberia.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 21 2023 21:42 utc | 87

@b, @al : I'm sure I recognise 'Down South's nom de plume from m-p-dot-net back in the first kerfuffle.

Posted by: Father Dougal | Sep 21 2023 0:46 utc | 169

This is a link from the previous, past over, Ukraine thread that triggered memories that I wonder if anyone else here remembers?.

Mp.net was a trailblazing site, the Mp being military photos, that ended up reporting on incidents all over the place. It met its end, TPTB using threats of serious financial penalty for photo copyright infringement, with its outstanding posts on Ukraine, on a level on the ground far beyond that which we can see now, at the time of the Battle of Debaltseve which clearly pushed beyond the acceptable US limit.

The rump of that site moved onto a new site themess.net that lasted for a while then it to folded but not from external pressure. Us posters then scattered with a few of us ending up on Russiadefence.net including Auslander.


Auslander has disappeared. I recall hearing something about a family tragedy, but that was long ago and his absence is troubling.

Posted by: malenkov | Sep 21 2023 21:21 utc | 87

From memory, his family tragedy was both his adopted sons being killed in the Donbas. He lives in Crimea and, very sensibly, is clearly keeping a very low profile. We miss him but if anything had happened to him I'm sure his wife would have told us on RD.N

Posted by: JohninMK | Sep 21 2023 21:48 utc | 88

" Posted by: John Marks | Sep 21 2023 21:41 utc | 88

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 21 2023 21:42 utc | 89 "

The Armenian people have been betrayed by their own government and those who promised to protect them from Pan-Turkism, mainly Russia.

The representative of Iranian-Armenian expect Russia and Iran to stand against fascist Pan-Turkism to protect not only Armenians, but also the SECURITY of the caucuses and the region.

Mr. Robert Biglerian, a representative of Armenian- Iranian in his speech during the public meeting of the Islamic Council in Iran, said the following:

{{The developments of the past three years in the South Caucasus region, especially Armenia and Karabakh, and the unbridled attacks of brutality carried out against Armenians by the regime of Baku recently is known to the world. It was started against the Armenian people of Karabakh along with the passive observance of so called the “Russian peace keepers”.

As someone who has closely followed the Second Karabakh War on October 6, 1999, and the developments of the past three years, it became clear to me that basically Islamic Republic has not had a specific approach towards the Caucasus in the last three decades and most likely, in terms of establishing regional order, but it is generally based on the conditions and trust or calculation of benefits to Russia, because we were challenged in the Persian Gulf and the Middle East.

The Armenian people living in the autonomous region of Karabagh according to their constitution. They had legally voted to separate from the Republic of Azerbaijan and had gone through the legal process within the framework of the right to self-determination. It was Azerbaijan that adopted a violent method of conflict and war instead of a peaceful solution.

Biglerian clarified: the Islamic Republic knows that when it talks about the red line of these changes, especially the border changes, it cannot only refer to the border or the border line between Iran and Armenia. Basically, the geography of the region, especially the map and topography of Armenia, is such that the border line without the border of the Syunik province of Armenia and the depth of the Armenian soil is worthless.

In this way, Iran has not paid enough attention to the developments that are taking place in Karabakh now, to protect territorial integrity. Yesterday, Erdogan at the UN General Assembly meeting publicly said: the current attacks on Karabagh and its eventual capture, will take place with the consent of Syria, is a prelude to the opening of NATO’s long corridor, the so-called, Zangzur.

This representative of the Iranian-Armenians at the Islamic Council continued:

Now that the world order has been weaken, all developments are going on rapidly, genocide has started in Karabakh. Turkey and pan-Turkism are taking place in the region to implement their annexationist goals after the ethnic cleansing and genocide of 1915.

In the war 3 years ago, the Baku regime, was able to achieve victory by taking advantage of Turkey’s help, Russia’s green light, the use of Takfiri mercenaries, and the intelligence and military cooperation of the Zionist regime. In this way, he used a phosphorus bomb and committed a war crime.}}

The world must condemn the zionist war criminals, Aliyev, Erdugan and Netanyahu and green light from Russia for geopolitical gains against people.

Posted by: Sari | Sep 21 2023 21:53 utc | 89

90
from what I seem to remember Auslander bless him was suffering from serious health issues c 18 months ago in his last posts.

Posted by: Jo | Sep 21 2023 21:53 utc | 90

" Were their Iranian ethnicities in Azerbaijan, sure, so what, there are also Black ethnicities in Africa, nobody claims Detroit belongs to Liberia.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 21 2023 21:42 utc | 89 "


Detroit might not belong to Liberia but it definitely belongs to Africa.

Posted by: Bardon Kaldian | Sep 21 2023 21:56 utc | 91

by: Sari | Sep 21 2023 20:21 utc | 81

That is one point of view and I appreciate it, (minus the Wikipedia link, as it cannot be very trusted, somehow).
Claiming this as a land grab similar to Palestine, it is not, as some perceive it.
Then again one can say it is a Greek territory since Alexander the Great passed there and reshuffled the population, too. That would anger the Turks, I am sure.
Their conflict will destroy NATO - Putin wins. :)

No border is a perfect one and every nation in the world, minus the USA, tries to conform to some rational understanding how far it can go and make the best out of it.
Iran is big enough and smart enough to use Baku as a remote connections base and build better ties, use it well and do not have some ancient historical hysterics about it.
And I agree that Zionism should be combated as every other idea ending on -sm.
In Iran and over those areas were always many Jewish traders since the Silk Road birth. Many, if not majority of them are not Zionists by far and are well integrated into the societies. Israel is hopelessly trying to influence those mainly for many years. But do you kick them out just because they might become Zionist one day. Maybe. Maybe never. Those are all prejudices we need to curb down, otherwise everyone ends being the Nazi.

Yes, there were some more recent population shuffles about, but then it happened everywhere and it happens all the time, with worsening climate cycle one can expect even more migrations. How do you define the borders then? How do you handle the melting pot? Knowing that makes you rich on many levels.

Also, I do not think so that Putin is playing on two cards only, but he makes the debt and creates one too at the same time, especially with Erdo and such "complicated and demanding partners, but still close friends".
Politics is not and cannot be moral, by the default. But one should make the best out of it, not the worst, as we see it happening in UN.

One can also see it as a positioning for BRI commisions, as greed should be toned down.
We need to learn how to look at the real picture on the ground as a semi-advanced civilization, not ignoring individual perspectives, but dismantling the current state of the mind. Our values are lying elsewhere.
Important is that there is no killing and injuring.
The rest should and can be agreed. This is how it always begins and ends.

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 21 2023 22:03 utc | 92

Biggest US " embassy " : Iraq

Second biggest: Armenia

Massive new " embassy " being currently built: Lebanon


Seems very telling to me as far as US intentions are concerned.

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 21 2023 22:05 utc | 93

rk | Sep 21 2023 13:20 utc | 3
*** "German and Spanish television crews have arrived in the city. They are going to stage video footage about civilians 'tortured' during [Russia’s] operation to liberate Kherson" - Governor Vladimir Saldo (tass.com/politics/1678369)***

So wy not toast the EU 'meeja' shit to crisps as a warning to others of their sort?

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 21 2023 22:09 utc | 94

So now Poland will be building up much more modern armaments than Ukraine has recieved....to eventually turn onto a weakened Ukraine as it finally realises the neonazi tendencies of that ongoing bankrupt country..and might opportunistically claim to protect Catholic ethnicities of 404 maybe . and to grab what it can of what is left? Poland does have a largish army .....

Posted by: Jo | Sep 21 2023 22:19 utc | 95

"The Armenian people living in the autonomous region of Karabagh according to their constitution. They had legally voted to separate from the Republic of Azerbaijan and had gone through the legal process within the framework of the right to self-determination."

You do realize that your benefactors in the US State Department would turn a US boarder town to glass if a group of Mexican people living according to their constitution voted to legally separate from the USA in their right to self-determination.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Sep 21 2023 22:20 utc | 96

" Yes, there were some more recent population shuffles about, but then it happened everywhere and it happens all the time, with worsening climate cycle one can expect even more migrations. How do you define the borders then? How do you handle the melting pot? Knowing that makes you rich on many levels.


Posted by: whirlX | Sep 21 2023 22:03 utc | 94 "


Are you proposing a world with no borders or nations ? Clarification would be appreciated.

Posted by: Shocked | Sep 21 2023 22:20 utc | 97

by: Shocked | Sep 21 2023 22:20 utc | 99

Nations and borders are not the same.

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 21 2023 22:24 utc | 98

We will support Ukraine for as long as it takes to see which way the wind is blowing.

Posted by: Oh | Sep 21 2023 22:27 utc | 99

Russia's hot economy is driving its fuel prices up, so it's restricting exports to solve the demand issue. Russia is very sensitive to inflation and is walking a fine-line policy-wise as it wants wages to rise (which they are) while lowering consumer costs.

Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 21 2023 17:27 utc | 62
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Karlof1, thanks for the translation of Lavrov's speech to the UN. His speech will go down in history as one of the great speeches to have come from the UN. Also, it was my first time visiting your site, I liked it.

I wish the US politicians (blue or red) would have the same concern for wages while fighting inflation. The US destroys wages to fight inflation. High cost for oil and gas, military spending, etc. may cause high inflation but historically, unemployment, reduced wages and benefits, is the primary fix.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 21 2023 22:28 utc | 100

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