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September 20, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-221
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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The KIA to WIA ratio increases drastically when the casualties are happening so fast that they overwhelm the ability of medics to render immediate life saving treatment. Posted by: Callmelennie | Sep 20 2023 18:51 utc | 201 The KIA to WIA ratio increases drastically when the casualties are happening so fast that they overwhelm the ability of medics to render immediate life saving treatment. Posted by: Callmelennie | Sep 20 2023 18:51 utc | 202 Rand Paul …. telling it as it is …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 18:56 utc | 203 Rand Paul …. telling it as it is …. Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 18:56 utc | 204 RE: Posted by: tesla | Sep 20 2023 18:34 utc | 96 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 20 2023 18:59 utc | 205 RE: Posted by: tesla | Sep 20 2023 18:34 utc | 96 Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 20 2023 18:59 utc | 206
This is a must see. It is scary how correct he was. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 19:04 utc | 207
This is a must see. It is scary how correct he was. Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 19:04 utc | 208 Interior Minister Nancy Faeser, of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), has stated her party’s intention to massively expand voting rights for foreigners. This includes a plan for refugees who have lived in Germany for more than six months to be allowed to vote, according to the German daily BILD. Posted by: Zet | Sep 20 2023 19:20 utc | 209 Interior Minister Nancy Faeser, of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), has stated her party’s intention to massively expand voting rights for foreigners. This includes a plan for refugees who have lived in Germany for more than six months to be allowed to vote, according to the German daily BILD. Posted by: Zet | Sep 20 2023 19:20 utc | 210 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 19:04 utc | 105 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2023 19:28 utc | 211 Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 19:04 utc | 105 Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2023 19:28 utc | 212 Posted by: Zet | Sep 20 2023 19:20 utc | Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 19:42 utc | 213 Posted by: Zet | Sep 20 2023 19:20 utc | Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 19:42 utc | 214 @Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 20 2023 16:19 utc | 56 Posted by: gT | Sep 20 2023 19:44 utc | 215 @Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 20 2023 16:19 utc | 56 Posted by: gT | Sep 20 2023 19:44 utc | 216 Posted by: gT | Sep 20 2023 19:44 utc | 109 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 19:55 utc | 217 Posted by: gT | Sep 20 2023 19:44 utc | 109 Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 19:55 utc | 218 Posted by: ld | Sep 20 2023 15:51 utc | 44 Posted by: Morongobill | Sep 20 2023 19:59 utc | 219 Posted by: ld | Sep 20 2023 15:51 utc | 44 Posted by: Morongobill | Sep 20 2023 19:59 utc | 220 Ukraine’s change in tactics from heavy armour assaults to infantry on foot is probably due to the fact that the donated armour was being manned by sheep dipped NATO forces who have now realised that the Russians can and will destroy their tanks and APCs, along with their occupants. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 20 2023 20:09 utc | 221 Ukraine’s change in tactics from heavy armour assaults to infantry on foot is probably due to the fact that the donated armour was being manned by sheep dipped NATO forces who have now realised that the Russians can and will destroy their tanks and APCs, along with their occupants. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Sep 20 2023 20:09 utc | 222 @ Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 18:56 utc | 103 Posted by: Weimar | Sep 20 2023 20:12 utc | 223 @ Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 18:56 utc | 103 Posted by: Weimar | Sep 20 2023 20:12 utc | 224 Breaking: Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 20:16 utc | 225 Breaking: Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 20:16 utc | 226 Just my humble opinion. Posted by: T S | Sep 20 2023 20:25 utc | 227 Just my humble opinion. Posted by: T S | Sep 20 2023 20:25 utc | 228 Polish PM Morawieczki said Poland has ceased forwarding weapons to Ukraine, because it needs to arm itself. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 20:28 utc | 229 Polish PM Morawieczki said Poland has ceased forwarding weapons to Ukraine, because it needs to arm itself. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 20:28 utc | 230
I can’t access Telegram. I do appreciate the contributions from Down South as extreemly usefull. Please continue. Posted by: bm | Sep 20 2023 20:32 utc | 231
I can’t access Telegram. I do appreciate the contributions from Down South as extreemly usefull. Please continue. Posted by: bm | Sep 20 2023 20:32 utc | 232 sheep dipped NATO forces accepting stupid orders to self destruct? Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 20:35 utc | 233 sheep dipped NATO forces accepting stupid orders to self destruct? Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 20:35 utc | 234 Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 16:10 utc | 52 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 20 2023 20:36 utc | 235 Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 16:10 utc | 52 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 20 2023 20:36 utc | 236 According to Military summary, the drama with Poland may also be a show to hide the poor results of the aid meetings in Ramstein, namely, Ukraine has got commitments on merely 45 tanks (30 Leopard 1 tanks and 15 T-72 tanks purchased by Denmark) and some Norwegian AFVs. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 20:39 utc | 237 According to Military summary, the drama with Poland may also be a show to hide the poor results of the aid meetings in Ramstein, namely, Ukraine has got commitments on merely 45 tanks (30 Leopard 1 tanks and 15 T-72 tanks purchased by Denmark) and some Norwegian AFVs. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 20:39 utc | 238 After having lost the access to Strategic Culture Foundation for the last two or three weeks, I regain with the help of Pepe Escobar. It suffices to change ‘.com’ for ‘.su’ Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 20 2023 20:42 utc | 239 After having lost the access to Strategic Culture Foundation for the last two or three weeks, I regain with the help of Pepe Escobar. It suffices to change ‘.com’ for ‘.su’ Posted by: António Ferrão | Sep 20 2023 20:42 utc | 240 Surely this indicates the degree of support for this source of information, no? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 20 2023 20:45 utc | 241 Surely this indicates the degree of support for this source of information, no? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 20 2023 20:45 utc | 242 https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics Posted by: Martina | Sep 20 2023 20:45 utc | 243 https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics Posted by: Martina | Sep 20 2023 20:45 utc | 244 “Cirillo as VP for Kamala. I try not to succumb to the lure of decadence but it would be exquisite. If dystopia had limits it wouldn’t be dystopia.” Posted by: dh | Sep 20 2023 20:46 utc | 245 “Cirillo as VP for Kamala. I try not to succumb to the lure of decadence but it would be exquisite. If dystopia had limits it wouldn’t be dystopia.” Posted by: dh | Sep 20 2023 20:46 utc | 246 Finally some good news for Zelensky:
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 20:52 utc | 247 Finally some good news for Zelensky:
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 20:52 utc | 248 Sorry little troll, NOT fake news. Read the link you posted. They said 6 months and now, hours later, they say it was a simple mistake, “let’s do 6 years” Posted by: Zet | Sep 20 2023 21:12 utc | 249 Sorry little troll, NOT fake news. Read the link you posted. They said 6 months and now, hours later, they say it was a simple mistake, “let’s do 6 years” Posted by: Zet | Sep 20 2023 21:12 utc | 250 @ Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 18:56 utc | 103 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 20 2023 21:20 utc | 251 @ Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 18:56 utc | 103 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 20 2023 21:20 utc | 252 I understand the Down South TG posts here have been useful to some, but they have been overdone. Just keep the volume moderate and there should be no problem. If you begin to dominate a thread it is time to get your own blog. Posted by: KitaySupporter | Sep 20 2023 21:22 utc | 253 I understand the Down South TG posts here have been useful to some, but they have been overdone. Just keep the volume moderate and there should be no problem. If you begin to dominate a thread it is time to get your own blog. Posted by: KitaySupporter | Sep 20 2023 21:22 utc | 254 This would make Rand Paul cross eyed and his own head would explode. He simply can’t grasp it. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 20 2023 21:26 utc | 255 This would make Rand Paul cross eyed and his own head would explode. He simply can’t grasp it. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 20 2023 21:26 utc | 256 @Weimar | Sep 20 2023 20:12 utc | 113 Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 21:29 utc | 257 @Weimar | Sep 20 2023 20:12 utc | 113 Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 21:29 utc | 258 @António Ferrão | Sep 20 2023 20:42 utc | 121 Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 21:40 utc | 259 @António Ferrão | Sep 20 2023 20:42 utc | 121 Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 21:40 utc | 260 Do you agree with the content of what Rand Paul stated in the US Senate, or not? Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 20 2023 21:40 utc | 261 Do you agree with the content of what Rand Paul stated in the US Senate, or not? Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 20 2023 21:40 utc | 262 @Martina | Sep 20 2023 20:45 utc | 123 Posted by: cirsium | Sep 20 2023 21:41 utc | 263 @Martina | Sep 20 2023 20:45 utc | 123 Posted by: cirsium | Sep 20 2023 21:41 utc | 264 Lots of explosions in Crimea right now : Sevastopol, Simferopol, Dzhankoi, Novofyodorovka… Posted by: Nerdanel | Sep 20 2023 21:48 utc | 265 Lots of explosions in Crimea right now : Sevastopol, Simferopol, Dzhankoi, Novofyodorovka… Posted by: Nerdanel | Sep 20 2023 21:48 utc | 266 Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 21:29 utc | 130 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 20 2023 22:00 utc | 267 Posted by: Don Firineach | Sep 20 2023 21:29 utc | 130 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Sep 20 2023 22:00 utc | 268 Posted by: Trubind1 @ 104 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 22:01 utc | 269 Posted by: Trubind1 @ 104 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 22:01 utc | 270 Posted by: Nerdanel | Sep 20 2023 21:48 utc | 134 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 20 2023 22:28 utc | 271 Posted by: Nerdanel | Sep 20 2023 21:48 utc | 134 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 20 2023 22:28 utc | 272 Re Down South posts, I really enjoy these, and the signal is high relative to a lot of the “your mother wears army boots” type of posts. Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 20 2023 22:30 utc | 273 Re Down South posts, I really enjoy these, and the signal is high relative to a lot of the “your mother wears army boots” type of posts. Posted by: Boris Badenov | Sep 20 2023 22:30 utc | 274 Please keep Down Souths posts. I dont do telegram or twitter or anything like that. Hers the only place I see his/her posts. Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 20 2023 22:31 utc | 275 Please keep Down Souths posts. I dont do telegram or twitter or anything like that. Hers the only place I see his/her posts. Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 20 2023 22:31 utc | 276 Posted by: bm | Sep 20 2023 20:32 utc | 117 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 20 2023 22:33 utc | 277 Posted by: bm | Sep 20 2023 20:32 utc | 117 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 20 2023 22:33 utc | 278 Posted by: b | Sep 20 2023 13:01 utc | 1 Posted by: Tak-Tik | Sep 20 2023 22:38 utc | 279 Posted by: b | Sep 20 2023 13:01 utc | 1 Posted by: Tak-Tik | Sep 20 2023 22:38 utc | 280 Lots of explosions in Crimea right now : Sevastopol, Simferopol, Dzhankoi, Novofyodorovka… Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 22:39 utc | 281 Lots of explosions in Crimea right now : Sevastopol, Simferopol, Dzhankoi, Novofyodorovka… Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 22:39 utc | 282 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 22:39 utc | 142 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 20 2023 23:03 utc | 283 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 22:39 utc | 142 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 20 2023 23:03 utc | 284
It takes more than one complaint to be a “downer”. The downers on the website are the guys who consistently complain about anyone that challenges the notion that things are going very well for Russia or points out things than went or are going unfavorably for Russia. But people seem to like their complaints as they are never called downers. They are apparently viewed as helpful censors. Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2023 23:03 utc | 285
It takes more than one complaint to be a “downer”. The downers on the website are the guys who consistently complain about anyone that challenges the notion that things are going very well for Russia or points out things than went or are going unfavorably for Russia. But people seem to like their complaints as they are never called downers. They are apparently viewed as helpful censors. Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2023 23:03 utc | 286 Surferket @ 137
There are posts on TG, most just regurgitating Rybar easier to just check that. The fact that there is so little info is worrisome though supposedly all is going well, of course RF is shooting everything down, we will know in the morning. All this stuff is trials from NATO, ever bigger, the escalation escalator. The big strikes are yet to come once they find the soft spots. I assume RF knows that. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 23:04 utc | 287 Surferket @ 137
There are posts on TG, most just regurgitating Rybar easier to just check that. The fact that there is so little info is worrisome though supposedly all is going well, of course RF is shooting everything down, we will know in the morning. All this stuff is trials from NATO, ever bigger, the escalation escalator. The big strikes are yet to come once they find the soft spots. I assume RF knows that. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 23:04 utc | 288 https://southfront.press/storm-shadow-missiles-targeted-crimea-for-the-second-day-in-a-row/ Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 23:10 utc | 289 https://southfront.press/storm-shadow-missiles-targeted-crimea-for-the-second-day-in-a-row/ Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 23:10 utc | 290
We get it, you want countries to be able to inflate their currency. Disagreement on one issue does not mean you can handwave away any other positions of a person. Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2023 23:12 utc | 291
We get it, you want countries to be able to inflate their currency. Disagreement on one issue does not mean you can handwave away any other positions of a person. Posted by: Simon | Sep 20 2023 23:12 utc | 292 Thousands of the brainwashed listen to him. Trapped in a lifetime of myths. Sheep being herded by the shepherd. A very sad state of affairs. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 23:13 utc | 293 Thousands of the brainwashed listen to him. Trapped in a lifetime of myths. Sheep being herded by the shepherd. A very sad state of affairs. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 23:13 utc | 294 According to the UK Daily Express, Russian troops “have only shovels to fight with” as “they have run out of weapons.” Posted by: anon | Sep 20 2023 23:16 utc | 295 According to the UK Daily Express, Russian troops “have only shovels to fight with” as “they have run out of weapons.” Posted by: anon | Sep 20 2023 23:16 utc | 296 How ironic. Here we are, discussing whether Down South is posting too much 404-related news on a 404 thread, and Derek Henry’s echo chamber waltzes in with a quartet of off-topic comments. Posted by: malenkov | Sep 20 2023 23:16 utc | 297 How ironic. Here we are, discussing whether Down South is posting too much 404-related news on a 404 thread, and Derek Henry’s echo chamber waltzes in with a quartet of off-topic comments. Posted by: malenkov | Sep 20 2023 23:16 utc | 298 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 22:39 utc | 142 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 23:22 utc | 299 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 22:39 utc | 142 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 23:22 utc | 300 |
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