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I also appreciate reading the links posted by Deep South.
@Ed, you used the words ‘attack’ and ‘attacking’ in your comment, despite the absence of aggression in any of the comments favoring DS’ efforts, including mine.
Perhaps a great many lurkers, including me, who have been following this fine site feel the importance of DS’ contributions warrant speaking up.
Surely this indicates the degree of support for this source of information, no?
Posted by: Joe B | Sep 20 2023 16:04 utc | 101
I also appreciate reading the links posted by Deep South.
@Ed, you used the words ‘attack’ and ‘attacking’ in your comment, despite the absence of aggression in any of the comments favoring DS’ efforts, including mine.
Perhaps a great many lurkers, including me, who have been following this fine site feel the importance of DS’ contributions warrant speaking up.
Surely this indicates the degree of support for this source of information, no?
Posted by: Joe B | Sep 20 2023 16:04 utc | 102
@neutrino #40:
I highly appreciate telegram summaries by Down South, because I would never dare to register with a social network myself.
You don’t need to register a Telegram account to read a public Telegram channel. You can just go to its webpage and read it.
For example, here’s the link for the Russian Telegram channel Rybar: https://t.me/s/rybar
You can paste the link into Google Translate to read the channel in English: https://t-me.translate.goog/s/rybar?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 16:10 utc | 103
@neutrino #40:
I highly appreciate telegram summaries by Down South, because I would never dare to register with a social network myself.
You don’t need to register a Telegram account to read a public Telegram channel. You can just go to its webpage and read it.
For example, here’s the link for the Russian Telegram channel Rybar: https://t.me/s/rybar
You can paste the link into Google Translate to read the channel in English: https://t-me.translate.goog/s/rybar?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en
Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 16:10 utc | 104
Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
In the great scheme of things mr slayer…you are the Orcs! If i remember rightly from Lord of the Rings the Orcs just threw themselves relentlessly at the forces of Gandalf.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 20 2023 16:15 utc | 105
Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
In the great scheme of things mr slayer…you are the Orcs! If i remember rightly from Lord of the Rings the Orcs just threw themselves relentlessly at the forces of Gandalf.
Posted by: HERMIUS | Sep 20 2023 16:15 utc | 106
@Ed | Sep 20 2023 15:38 utc | 38
The MoA belongs to b, and if those who want to have TG news all day on demand should go to TG and read it; if I am not mistaken, I think there is a pay wall.
You are mistaken, there is absolutely zero paywalls on Telegram. I agree people should go to TG and read, there is much to learn there. I go there every day if time permits.
I understand the Down South TG posts here have been useful to some, but they have been overdone. Just keep the volume moderate and there should be no problem. If you begin to dominate a thread it is time to get your own blog.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 16:16 utc | 107
@Ed | Sep 20 2023 15:38 utc | 38
The MoA belongs to b, and if those who want to have TG news all day on demand should go to TG and read it; if I am not mistaken, I think there is a pay wall.
You are mistaken, there is absolutely zero paywalls on Telegram. I agree people should go to TG and read, there is much to learn there. I go there every day if time permits.
I understand the Down South TG posts here have been useful to some, but they have been overdone. Just keep the volume moderate and there should be no problem. If you begin to dominate a thread it is time to get your own blog.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 16:16 utc | 108
Simplincuis reports….
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-92023-friction-and-turmoil
A very strange and interesting incident. Russia released footage of a new variant Lancet-3M drone with extended range, hitting a Ukrainian Mig-29 jet at the Dolgintsevo airfield near Krivoy Rog:
Firstly, the good news is it shows that Lancets can now go upwards of 70km+ or more behind enemy lines, which is the distance of the airfield from Russia’s side of the Dnieper.
However, it brought up a lot of questions regarding how it’s possible that an airfield seemingly full of functional planes can be left unperturbed so close to the frontline, as you can see several other planes in the video. Some have suggested some of them may be mothballed donor planes for parts. Also based on this photo showing a stack of tires, some further suggested that Ukraine was readying to cover the planes with tires as Russia has recently done, or to burn the tires to create concealing smoke, sensing an upcoming attack—which could point to the fact that the planes had only just arrived prior to the hit:
Nevertheless, it still brings up other questions. 70km from the frontline is well within range of heavy MLRS (Smerch) as well as a variety of other systems (Iskanders, etc.) which could flatten those planes. One thing is we know days ago, Russia announced destroying 5 planes at that very field:
Since we don’t know the exact date of the Lancet video, it could have happened before or after that. Which means the Lancet may have very well just been the opening strike after having first reconned the planes there, and the subsequent missile attack followed soon after. This is the most logical explanation.
However, since this has stirred a wider discussion amongst other experts, I’ll paste a few of the most cogent ones because I think the debate around why Russia can’t just “annihilate” all Ukraine’s airfields at once is an important one. To this day, most lay people can’t understand this and believe it’s easy to just launch a mass “strike” of some sort to wipe out entire airfields making them completely unusable, as well as destroying anything parked there.
But that’s not quite how it works. The main reason being some of these Soviet constructed fields like the Starokonstantinovka one are so gargantuan it’s difficult to imagine or quite appreciate the size for the average person. There is no type of strike that can completely wipe such a thing out, short of a nuclear one. But I’ll allow the following expert to explain:
After another successful raid by Ukrainian Su-24Ms with Storm Shadow missiles, taking off from the Starokonstantinov airbase, they again began to raise the question of “why don’t we destroy enemy missiles, aircraft and their bases?” .
The answer, as always, is quite simple and banal: because we can’t.
This is not a matter of some behind-the-scenes agreements that many invent to explain what is happening. The fact is that the bases of enemy missiles and bombers are well protected by both shelters and air defense systems, and timely receipt of information from NATO satellite reconnaissance allows them to withdraw their aircraft several hours before the strike, which we have also written about several times.
At the same time, we simply do not use cluster warheads for the Kalibr or X-101 cruise missiles, which could immediately cover entire Ukrainian aviation sites (if it were possible to catch them in the open) or landfills of non-flying specimens that are taken away to spare parts for those still flying. And missiles capable of effectively hitting strong reinforced concrete shelters are few in number and extremely expensive.
On the other hand, as practice shows, our attempt to play passive defense ends with the enemy having the initiative and, having accumulated only a few difficult-to-kill missiles, simply breaking through the air defense in one specific place and causing serious damage that cannot be resisted.
Military Informant
Rybar:
“Why can’t we take and destroy Ukrainian airfields, ports and railway junctions?”
A good answer to this question was given by the American military theorist Edward Luttwak in his recent article.
According to him, only for one raid of the British Air Force on Germany during the Second World War, aircraft could drop 2560 tons of ammunition.: This is more than the total tonnage delivered by Russian cruise missiles to targets on Ukrainian territory since the beginning of the CDF.
The nature of the fighting has changed dramatically since then. If then 700 (!) bombers could have participated in one attack, now there is not even such a large number of aircraft and flight personnel. Today, this approach, if the enemy has air defense, will lead to the fact that the already scarce bombers will simply run out in a month or two.
Both “Kalibry” and X-101 are effective means of pinpoint destruction. But it is certainly not worth waiting for the fact that a salvo of 10 missiles is capable of demolishing some large Soviet factory that Ukraine has inherited, for objective reasons. And this is true for other similar products, be it Tomahawk or Storm Shadow.
This is clearly seen in the example of the US attack on the Syrian Shayrat airbase in 2017: with the launch of 59 missiles and accurate hits, no “moonscape” happened there, and planes from the airfield began to take off the very next day. (Rybar)
One point the first one brings up is that if Russia had missiles specially designed to hit runways, it could at least do a somewhat better job of potentially negating runways (though they would still be fixed). There are special missiles for this some countries have, for instance France’s Matra Durandal:
The Durandal is an anti-runway penetration bomb developed by the French company Matra (now MBDA), designed to destroy airport runways and exported to several countries. A simple crater in a runway could be just filled in, so the Durandal uses two explosions to displace the concrete slabs of a runway, thus making the runway much more difficult to repair.
Russia has bombs that do this, for instance Betab-500ShP but they have to be dropped from a jet, which counts them out. The P-270 Moskit and a few other missiles are said to have secondary anti-runway functions, though I don’t think they’re specifically tailored to that like the Durandal, with the dual explosion, etc. But I’m not sure if Russia has attempted to use those on runways.
Ultimately, runways can still be fixed and even filled in relatively easily so it’s not the hugest deterrent and I’m not sure how good the trade off is between what time you gain versus the cost of the missiles you use. It’s good for something like a third world country, where you can disable their only runway, but against a military power like Ukraine it may not create much of a hindrance.
And speaking of that, here’s a new photo of a Russian Su-34 in flight with Fab-500M62 UMPK glidebombs attached.
Russia has released a new military ad which seems to “hint” at the future takeover of Kiev and Odessa:
The Ukrainian government proposes that prisoners generate electricity by pedaling bicycles.
Wars are messy..
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 20 2023 16:19 utc | 109
Simplincuis reports….
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-92023-friction-and-turmoil
A very strange and interesting incident. Russia released footage of a new variant Lancet-3M drone with extended range, hitting a Ukrainian Mig-29 jet at the Dolgintsevo airfield near Krivoy Rog:
Firstly, the good news is it shows that Lancets can now go upwards of 70km+ or more behind enemy lines, which is the distance of the airfield from Russia’s side of the Dnieper.
However, it brought up a lot of questions regarding how it’s possible that an airfield seemingly full of functional planes can be left unperturbed so close to the frontline, as you can see several other planes in the video. Some have suggested some of them may be mothballed donor planes for parts. Also based on this photo showing a stack of tires, some further suggested that Ukraine was readying to cover the planes with tires as Russia has recently done, or to burn the tires to create concealing smoke, sensing an upcoming attack—which could point to the fact that the planes had only just arrived prior to the hit:
Nevertheless, it still brings up other questions. 70km from the frontline is well within range of heavy MLRS (Smerch) as well as a variety of other systems (Iskanders, etc.) which could flatten those planes. One thing is we know days ago, Russia announced destroying 5 planes at that very field:
Since we don’t know the exact date of the Lancet video, it could have happened before or after that. Which means the Lancet may have very well just been the opening strike after having first reconned the planes there, and the subsequent missile attack followed soon after. This is the most logical explanation.
However, since this has stirred a wider discussion amongst other experts, I’ll paste a few of the most cogent ones because I think the debate around why Russia can’t just “annihilate” all Ukraine’s airfields at once is an important one. To this day, most lay people can’t understand this and believe it’s easy to just launch a mass “strike” of some sort to wipe out entire airfields making them completely unusable, as well as destroying anything parked there.
But that’s not quite how it works. The main reason being some of these Soviet constructed fields like the Starokonstantinovka one are so gargantuan it’s difficult to imagine or quite appreciate the size for the average person. There is no type of strike that can completely wipe such a thing out, short of a nuclear one. But I’ll allow the following expert to explain:
After another successful raid by Ukrainian Su-24Ms with Storm Shadow missiles, taking off from the Starokonstantinov airbase, they again began to raise the question of “why don’t we destroy enemy missiles, aircraft and their bases?” .
The answer, as always, is quite simple and banal: because we can’t.
This is not a matter of some behind-the-scenes agreements that many invent to explain what is happening. The fact is that the bases of enemy missiles and bombers are well protected by both shelters and air defense systems, and timely receipt of information from NATO satellite reconnaissance allows them to withdraw their aircraft several hours before the strike, which we have also written about several times.
At the same time, we simply do not use cluster warheads for the Kalibr or X-101 cruise missiles, which could immediately cover entire Ukrainian aviation sites (if it were possible to catch them in the open) or landfills of non-flying specimens that are taken away to spare parts for those still flying. And missiles capable of effectively hitting strong reinforced concrete shelters are few in number and extremely expensive.
On the other hand, as practice shows, our attempt to play passive defense ends with the enemy having the initiative and, having accumulated only a few difficult-to-kill missiles, simply breaking through the air defense in one specific place and causing serious damage that cannot be resisted.
Military Informant
Rybar:
“Why can’t we take and destroy Ukrainian airfields, ports and railway junctions?”
A good answer to this question was given by the American military theorist Edward Luttwak in his recent article.
According to him, only for one raid of the British Air Force on Germany during the Second World War, aircraft could drop 2560 tons of ammunition.: This is more than the total tonnage delivered by Russian cruise missiles to targets on Ukrainian territory since the beginning of the CDF.
The nature of the fighting has changed dramatically since then. If then 700 (!) bombers could have participated in one attack, now there is not even such a large number of aircraft and flight personnel. Today, this approach, if the enemy has air defense, will lead to the fact that the already scarce bombers will simply run out in a month or two.
Both “Kalibry” and X-101 are effective means of pinpoint destruction. But it is certainly not worth waiting for the fact that a salvo of 10 missiles is capable of demolishing some large Soviet factory that Ukraine has inherited, for objective reasons. And this is true for other similar products, be it Tomahawk or Storm Shadow.
This is clearly seen in the example of the US attack on the Syrian Shayrat airbase in 2017: with the launch of 59 missiles and accurate hits, no “moonscape” happened there, and planes from the airfield began to take off the very next day. (Rybar)
One point the first one brings up is that if Russia had missiles specially designed to hit runways, it could at least do a somewhat better job of potentially negating runways (though they would still be fixed). There are special missiles for this some countries have, for instance France’s Matra Durandal:
The Durandal is an anti-runway penetration bomb developed by the French company Matra (now MBDA), designed to destroy airport runways and exported to several countries. A simple crater in a runway could be just filled in, so the Durandal uses two explosions to displace the concrete slabs of a runway, thus making the runway much more difficult to repair.
Russia has bombs that do this, for instance Betab-500ShP but they have to be dropped from a jet, which counts them out. The P-270 Moskit and a few other missiles are said to have secondary anti-runway functions, though I don’t think they’re specifically tailored to that like the Durandal, with the dual explosion, etc. But I’m not sure if Russia has attempted to use those on runways.
Ultimately, runways can still be fixed and even filled in relatively easily so it’s not the hugest deterrent and I’m not sure how good the trade off is between what time you gain versus the cost of the missiles you use. It’s good for something like a third world country, where you can disable their only runway, but against a military power like Ukraine it may not create much of a hindrance.
And speaking of that, here’s a new photo of a Russian Su-34 in flight with Fab-500M62 UMPK glidebombs attached.
Russia has released a new military ad which seems to “hint” at the future takeover of Kiev and Odessa:
The Ukrainian government proposes that prisoners generate electricity by pedaling bicycles.
Wars are messy..
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 20 2023 16:19 utc | 110
Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
The “88” was a nice touch. /s
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 20 2023 16:19 utc | 111
Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
The “88” was a nice touch. /s
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 20 2023 16:19 utc | 112
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 15:54 utc | 45
IIRC the Avenger AD only has a passive FLIR sensor, no active radar, so detection was probably visual or poor EMCON discipline.
As for the extended range Lancets I’m wondering if they are piggy-backing for extended range options.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 20 2023 16:21 utc | 113
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 15:54 utc | 45
IIRC the Avenger AD only has a passive FLIR sensor, no active radar, so detection was probably visual or poor EMCON discipline.
As for the extended range Lancets I’m wondering if they are piggy-backing for extended range options.
Posted by: Milites | Sep 20 2023 16:21 utc | 114
@Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 20 2023 16:19 utc | 55
No need to copy/paste all of simplicius, I just read the original
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-92023-friction-and-turmoil
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 16:22 utc | 115
@Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 20 2023 16:19 utc | 55
No need to copy/paste all of simplicius, I just read the original
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-92023-friction-and-turmoil
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 16:22 utc | 116
A much easier way than using Google translate is to download https://yandex.com/ and insert whatever russian site, including rybar, in the browser field and click translate, and voila the site is translated into english
Posted by: On the roof | Sep 20 2023 16:25 utc | 117
A much easier way than using Google translate is to download https://yandex.com/ and insert whatever russian site, including rybar, in the browser field and click translate, and voila the site is translated into english
Posted by: On the roof | Sep 20 2023 16:25 utc | 118
Perhaps an acceptable modus operandi for people like Down South to post short(er) excerpts from Telegram, SCF, etc., frame them with an introductory comment and/or summarization of the rest, and provide source links?
In any case I value Down South’s contributions highly, missed them in his absence, and hope to continue seeing them indefinitely.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 20 2023 16:30 utc | 119
Perhaps an acceptable modus operandi for people like Down South to post short(er) excerpts from Telegram, SCF, etc., frame them with an introductory comment and/or summarization of the rest, and provide source links?
In any case I value Down South’s contributions highly, missed them in his absence, and hope to continue seeing them indefinitely.
Posted by: malenkov | Sep 20 2023 16:30 utc | 120
Posted by: b | Sep 20 2023 13:01 utc | 1
Will do.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 16:30 utc | 121
Posted by: b | Sep 20 2023 13:01 utc | 1
Will do.
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 16:30 utc | 122
I usually avoid links that begin with ME (Telegram). Telegram links are uniformly poor quality video, hard to view without the app, and have fragmentary narrative. Perhaps this is why B objects to them. Telegram appears to me to be an app meant for people to view on their phones, people interested in sound bytes rather than analysis.
Posted by: A. Pols | Sep 20 2023 16:32 utc | 123
I usually avoid links that begin with ME (Telegram). Telegram links are uniformly poor quality video, hard to view without the app, and have fragmentary narrative. Perhaps this is why B objects to them. Telegram appears to me to be an app meant for people to view on their phones, people interested in sound bytes rather than analysis.
Posted by: A. Pols | Sep 20 2023 16:32 utc | 124
The issue of payments to dead and wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a systemic problem of the state; officials are deliberately delaying the process in order to save the budget, and in some cases they are simply waiting for a bribe to resolve the issue.
Ukrainians see the attitude towards missing/dead or wounded soldiers, whom the state treats disgustingly, but propaganda does not notice the problems.
The lack of Fair mobilization, corruption in the TCC and VLK all this kills the faith of Ukrainians in the need to defend the country, while officials/politicians get rich and make money from blood.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19745
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 16:33 utc | 125
The issue of payments to dead and wounded soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is a systemic problem of the state; officials are deliberately delaying the process in order to save the budget, and in some cases they are simply waiting for a bribe to resolve the issue.
Ukrainians see the attitude towards missing/dead or wounded soldiers, whom the state treats disgustingly, but propaganda does not notice the problems.
The lack of Fair mobilization, corruption in the TCC and VLK all this kills the faith of Ukrainians in the need to defend the country, while officials/politicians get rich and make money from blood.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19745
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 16:33 utc | 126
Our sources report that the Office of the President considers Poland’s actions in the trade war with Ukraine to be sanctioned by the Biden Administration, which is demanding that Zelensky begin peace negotiations with the Kremlin.
The West has turned on economic methods to strangle the Ukrainian economy, and its clientele within the country is promoting corruption cases in order to weaken Zelensky’s power and make him manageable.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19747
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 16:34 utc | 127
Our sources report that the Office of the President considers Poland’s actions in the trade war with Ukraine to be sanctioned by the Biden Administration, which is demanding that Zelensky begin peace negotiations with the Kremlin.
The West has turned on economic methods to strangle the Ukrainian economy, and its clientele within the country is promoting corruption cases in order to weaken Zelensky’s power and make him manageable.
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19747
Posted by: Down South | Sep 20 2023 16:34 utc | 128
Dear b,
because I don´t have a smartphone I can´t take part in telegramm.
Thats why I like the t.me quotes here.
MfG
Posted by: Oberbayer | Sep 20 2023 16:41 utc | 129
Dear b,
because I don´t have a smartphone I can´t take part in telegramm.
Thats why I like the t.me quotes here.
MfG
Posted by: Oberbayer | Sep 20 2023 16:41 utc | 130
Most of Down South’s posts come from Telegram channels Rezident, Legitimnyy and DD Geopolitics. One can read them in English in an ordinary web browser by clicking the following links:
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/rezident_ua?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/legitimniy?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics
Down South’s main contribution is selecting the most interesting posts to repost them here.
But this is b’s blog, and if b thinks Down South is overposting, then maybe Down South can start his/her own “Ukrainian/Russian Telegram digest” blog.
Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 16:45 utc | 131
Most of Down South’s posts come from Telegram channels Rezident, Legitimnyy and DD Geopolitics. One can read them in English in an ordinary web browser by clicking the following links:
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/rezident_ua?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/legitimniy?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en
https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics
Down South’s main contribution is selecting the most interesting posts to repost them here.
But this is b’s blog, and if b thinks Down South is overposting, then maybe Down South can start his/her own “Ukrainian/Russian Telegram digest” blog.
Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 16:45 utc | 132
@A. Pols | Sep 20 2023 16:32 utc | 62
Telegram appears to me to be an app meant for people to view on their phones, people interested in sound bytes rather than analysis.
You are mistaken, Telegram is best on a PC. I use it under Windows and Linux, rarely on a phone. People should just try it instead of speculating based on no experience.
The best Ukraine-related channels are IMHO Slavyangrad, DD Geopolitics and a few others.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 16:46 utc | 133
@A. Pols | Sep 20 2023 16:32 utc | 62
Telegram appears to me to be an app meant for people to view on their phones, people interested in sound bytes rather than analysis.
You are mistaken, Telegram is best on a PC. I use it under Windows and Linux, rarely on a phone. People should just try it instead of speculating based on no experience.
The best Ukraine-related channels are IMHO Slavyangrad, DD Geopolitics and a few others.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 16:46 utc | 134
DS@64
This description reminds me of the Russian situation with Wagner PMC. The west created a tool for a task, and then the tool began to exceed its mandate and became difficult to control. It also began to criticize its master. Now there is an attempt to limit the delegated power before the situation becomes unmanageable and the tool will need to be destroyed.
Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 20 2023 16:53 utc | 135
DS@64
This description reminds me of the Russian situation with Wagner PMC. The west created a tool for a task, and then the tool began to exceed its mandate and became difficult to control. It also began to criticize its master. Now there is an attempt to limit the delegated power before the situation becomes unmanageable and the tool will need to be destroyed.
Posted by: the pessimist | Sep 20 2023 16:53 utc | 136
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
Thanks for the NAFO troll to show off their support of Nazis.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 20 2023 16:53 utc | 137
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
Thanks for the NAFO troll to show off their support of Nazis.
Posted by: Colin | Sep 20 2023 16:53 utc | 138
I do use a smartphone and have no propblem viewing any telegram site when using xandex.com. And by the way, video quality is exellent.
I have at least 15 different webpages in the browser which I can read russian speaking sites daily without any problem.
I do recommend https://aftershock.news/
Posted by: On the roof | Sep 20 2023 16:55 utc | 139
I do use a smartphone and have no propblem viewing any telegram site when using xandex.com. And by the way, video quality is exellent.
I have at least 15 different webpages in the browser which I can read russian speaking sites daily without any problem.
I do recommend https://aftershock.news/
Posted by: On the roof | Sep 20 2023 16:55 utc | 140
67 Norweigan
Yes, the best way to read and for instance use xandex.com is on PC, but you can also use smartphone, at least here in Sweden
Posted by: On the roof | Sep 20 2023 17:00 utc | 141
67 Norweigan
Yes, the best way to read and for instance use xandex.com is on PC, but you can also use smartphone, at least here in Sweden
Posted by: On the roof | Sep 20 2023 17:00 utc | 142
@Oberbayer #65:
because I don´t have a smartphone I can´t take part in telegramm
You don’t need a smartphone to read public Telegram channels. You can read them in an ordinary web browser, on your computer. For example, try this link right now: https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics . As you can see, it’s a sequence of posts, with the latest post at the bottom. You can scroll the page up to see earlier posts.
Each post has a HH:MM timestamp in its lower right corner. You can click this timestamp to open the post in a separate window. This allows you to share it with someone else by copying the link in the address bar (also allows you to see the date of the post).
Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 17:03 utc | 143
@Oberbayer #65:
because I don´t have a smartphone I can´t take part in telegramm
You don’t need a smartphone to read public Telegram channels. You can read them in an ordinary web browser, on your computer. For example, try this link right now: https://t.me/s/DDGeopolitics . As you can see, it’s a sequence of posts, with the latest post at the bottom. You can scroll the page up to see earlier posts.
Each post has a HH:MM timestamp in its lower right corner. You can click this timestamp to open the post in a separate window. This allows you to share it with someone else by copying the link in the address bar (also allows you to see the date of the post).
Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 17:03 utc | 144
Unconfirmed rumors (yes, from Telegram chatter) that “Sarah” Ashton-Cirillo has been suspended by the Kiev regime.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 17:05 utc | 145
Unconfirmed rumors (yes, from Telegram chatter) that “Sarah” Ashton-Cirillo has been suspended by the Kiev regime.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 17:05 utc | 146
All I want to know is – what’s Germany ‘double face’ feature. I cannot believe how much effort Russia put in forgiving germanys past – due to ww2 massacre against Slavic people. Germany does not deserve to be the manager of Europe. They should be cut out.
Posted by: Innuendo | Sep 20 2023 17:11 utc | 147
All I want to know is – what’s Germany ‘double face’ feature. I cannot believe how much effort Russia put in forgiving germanys past – due to ww2 massacre against Slavic people. Germany does not deserve to be the manager of Europe. They should be cut out.
Posted by: Innuendo | Sep 20 2023 17:11 utc | 148
S @ 52
Thank you for posting those URLs. They work.
For a few months I had Telegram but it seems they reconfigure the entire ecosystem daily if not hourly. Then I became aware of the /s/ business, it too worked for a while but now there is no possible orthographic arrangement of those characters that creates a functional URL when it is my fingers on the keyboard.
I’ve come to the conclusion that those of us who are not pre-wired to operate the tech are simply going to die. No one will miss us. In meantime nice to have any access at all.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 20 2023 17:15 utc | 149
S @ 52
Thank you for posting those URLs. They work.
For a few months I had Telegram but it seems they reconfigure the entire ecosystem daily if not hourly. Then I became aware of the /s/ business, it too worked for a while but now there is no possible orthographic arrangement of those characters that creates a functional URL when it is my fingers on the keyboard.
I’ve come to the conclusion that those of us who are not pre-wired to operate the tech are simply going to die. No one will miss us. In meantime nice to have any access at all.
Posted by: oldhippie | Sep 20 2023 17:15 utc | 150
“I usually avoid links that begin with ME (Telegram). Telegram links are uniformly poor quality video, hard to view without the app, and have fragmentary narrative.”
Agreed. If you are expecting to get informed and educated via social media, you are doing it wrong.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 20 2023 17:19 utc | 151
“I usually avoid links that begin with ME (Telegram). Telegram links are uniformly poor quality video, hard to view without the app, and have fragmentary narrative.”
Agreed. If you are expecting to get informed and educated via social media, you are doing it wrong.
Posted by: Comandante | Sep 20 2023 17:19 utc | 152
DownSouth’s psost are good to have. I deleted my Telegram as it eats memory on my PDA so a summary is useful.
Posted by: Pipedream | Sep 20 2023 17:32 utc | 153
DownSouth’s psost are good to have. I deleted my Telegram as it eats memory on my PDA so a summary is useful.
Posted by: Pipedream | Sep 20 2023 17:32 utc | 154
People have got some nerves praising DS and insisting to read his TG parroting here, when b explicitly demands a reduced posting frequency!
Why not just adhere to blogowner, DS? And for the DS acolytes – why not go to TG and read the stuff yourselves or at least settle with a short summary of a (one) post, the link AND a comment of you own.
Posted by: Baddy | Sep 20 2023 17:38 utc | 155
People have got some nerves praising DS and insisting to read his TG parroting here, when b explicitly demands a reduced posting frequency!
Why not just adhere to blogowner, DS? And for the DS acolytes – why not go to TG and read the stuff yourselves or at least settle with a short summary of a (one) post, the link AND a comment of you own.
Posted by: Baddy | Sep 20 2023 17:38 utc | 156
German industry responding to their government, by leaving.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 13:14 utc | 3
If you stay, you will have to adapt. If you leave, you will have to adapt, too. But at least if you leave the choice has been yours.
This is true for both industry and citizens.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 20 2023 17:38 utc | 157
German industry responding to their government, by leaving.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 13:14 utc | 3
If you stay, you will have to adapt. If you leave, you will have to adapt, too. But at least if you leave the choice has been yours.
This is true for both industry and citizens.
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 20 2023 17:38 utc | 158
@S #52
Thank you. I tried your link, it’s reasonably functional.
Posted by: neutrino | Sep 20 2023 17:40 utc | 159
@S #52
Thank you. I tried your link, it’s reasonably functional.
Posted by: neutrino | Sep 20 2023 17:40 utc | 160
Maybe DS shld use a tinyurl for the TG reports. It might help MoA to keep away from radars.
Posted by: Minaa | Sep 20 2023 17:44 utc | 161
Maybe DS shld use a tinyurl for the TG reports. It might help MoA to keep away from radars.
Posted by: Minaa | Sep 20 2023 17:44 utc | 162
@Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 17:05 utc | 74
Unconfirmed rumors (yes, from Telegram chatter) that “Sarah” Ashton-Cirillo has been suspended by the Kiev regime.
It seems to be confirmed https://twitter.com/TDF_UA/status/1704513698709012889
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 17:46 utc | 163
@Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 17:05 utc | 74
Unconfirmed rumors (yes, from Telegram chatter) that “Sarah” Ashton-Cirillo has been suspended by the Kiev regime.
It seems to be confirmed https://twitter.com/TDF_UA/status/1704513698709012889
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 17:46 utc | 164
My analysis of the Ukraine war in my blog rpdeans.blogspot.com
I post on Geopolitics, Indian national security and startups.
Posted by: Deans | Sep 20 2023 14:02 utc | 14
”
This post is part of a series, which may be of interest those who like data based minutiae of warfare. I expect it to appeal only to a small niche. I’ve mentioned my data sources – the Mediazona / BBC study, which is the only one of its kind I’m aware of and oryx.
”
Mediazona (Russian: Медиазона) is a Russian independent media outlet focused on Anti Putinist opposition that was founded by Maria Alyokhina and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, who are also co-founders of the protest group and band Pussy Riot.
BBC, … Without words.
Try another table!
Posted by: 600w | Sep 20 2023 17:48 utc | 165
My analysis of the Ukraine war in my blog rpdeans.blogspot.com
I post on Geopolitics, Indian national security and startups.
Posted by: Deans | Sep 20 2023 14:02 utc | 14
”
This post is part of a series, which may be of interest those who like data based minutiae of warfare. I expect it to appeal only to a small niche. I’ve mentioned my data sources – the Mediazona / BBC study, which is the only one of its kind I’m aware of and oryx.
”
Mediazona (Russian: Медиазона) is a Russian independent media outlet focused on Anti Putinist opposition that was founded by Maria Alyokhina and Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, who are also co-founders of the protest group and band Pussy Riot.
BBC, … Without words.
Try another table!
Posted by: 600w | Sep 20 2023 17:48 utc | 166
For what or whom these Russians ve died?
===============
🗞 5 Russian peace keepers have been killed.
———————
❗️The car was shot at from small arms while returning from an observation post in the Janyatag area.
As a result of the shelling, the Russian servicemen who were present were killed.
Russian and Azerbaijani investigators are working on the spot.
Military Informant
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 20 2023 17:58 utc | 167
For what or whom these Russians ve died?
===============
🗞 5 Russian peace keepers have been killed.
———————
❗️The car was shot at from small arms while returning from an observation post in the Janyatag area.
As a result of the shelling, the Russian servicemen who were present were killed.
Russian and Azerbaijani investigators are working on the spot.
Military Informant
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 20 2023 17:58 utc | 168
Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
MOA is a virtual bar, but most people here know the reality.
But you come from the fantasy corner and probably got lost.
Is your account name meant to be provocative?
You could have chosen 87 etc., right?
Get well soon for your health!.
Posted by: 600w | Sep 20 2023 18:04 utc | 169
Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
MOA is a virtual bar, but most people here know the reality.
But you come from the fantasy corner and probably got lost.
Is your account name meant to be provocative?
You could have chosen 87 etc., right?
Get well soon for your health!.
Posted by: 600w | Sep 20 2023 18:04 utc | 170
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 20 2023 17:38 utc | 80
To be honest, all industry that in essence makes end meet and is thus completely dependent on fossil fuels – often subsidized and cheap – has no place in the West. Its a low value added activity that seems like a charity, keeping people busy that would otherwise be working in high-added value sectors.
Such is the biological industry that we call agriculture (no relation to culture) in the West. Massive farms that pollute, pay little and are kept within the supply chain in, ahem, chains. Chemicals, paint, kitchens etc. also a massive consumer-fest in the West. The house next door was built in 2017, changed hands twice since and guess what: they all remodeled the kitchen! When we moved in our new house after living almost 10 years in a different one, we had 12m3 of accumulated crap to throw away.
Who the f needs 25 types of cereals, all in plastic and carboard? Optimized in taste, smell, looks, size and competitive shelving so that the maximum is bought and profited. Made possible by consumer modeling, in essence the same technique as propaganda.
Overconsumption is rampant, waste is rampant, pollution is out of control, corruption through lobby work and of course extraction of wealth from poorer countries.
They want to relocate: good riddance. After some adjustment we will be better for it. There is no place for corporations solely existing due to overconsumption they themselves instigate.
Posted by: alek_a | Sep 20 2023 18:05 utc | 171
Posted by: Passerby | Sep 20 2023 17:38 utc | 80
To be honest, all industry that in essence makes end meet and is thus completely dependent on fossil fuels – often subsidized and cheap – has no place in the West. Its a low value added activity that seems like a charity, keeping people busy that would otherwise be working in high-added value sectors.
Such is the biological industry that we call agriculture (no relation to culture) in the West. Massive farms that pollute, pay little and are kept within the supply chain in, ahem, chains. Chemicals, paint, kitchens etc. also a massive consumer-fest in the West. The house next door was built in 2017, changed hands twice since and guess what: they all remodeled the kitchen! When we moved in our new house after living almost 10 years in a different one, we had 12m3 of accumulated crap to throw away.
Who the f needs 25 types of cereals, all in plastic and carboard? Optimized in taste, smell, looks, size and competitive shelving so that the maximum is bought and profited. Made possible by consumer modeling, in essence the same technique as propaganda.
Overconsumption is rampant, waste is rampant, pollution is out of control, corruption through lobby work and of course extraction of wealth from poorer countries.
They want to relocate: good riddance. After some adjustment we will be better for it. There is no place for corporations solely existing due to overconsumption they themselves instigate.
Posted by: alek_a | Sep 20 2023 18:05 utc | 172
Posted by: Innuendo | Sep 20 2023 17:11 utc | 75
Agree!
Germany is Putins lovely’s „western partner“
He is still living in the 60‘ or 70‘s when he lived in East Germany
Quite naive this chessmaster
But what u expect from somebody with whom his western partners were driving skateboard on Minsk 2 😁
Think he is still dreaming of Lisboa – Vladivostok
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 20 2023 18:09 utc | 173
Posted by: Innuendo | Sep 20 2023 17:11 utc | 75
Agree!
Germany is Putins lovely’s „western partner“
He is still living in the 60‘ or 70‘s when he lived in East Germany
Quite naive this chessmaster
But what u expect from somebody with whom his western partners were driving skateboard on Minsk 2 😁
Think he is still dreaming of Lisboa – Vladivostok
Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 20 2023 18:09 utc | 174
I also appreciate DownSouth’s posts here. Telegram doesn’t work well at all for me on my desktop for some reason, so I’m relying on what he posts here.
Posted by: Ender | Sep 20 2023 18:12 utc | 175
I also appreciate DownSouth’s posts here. Telegram doesn’t work well at all for me on my desktop for some reason, so I’m relying on what he posts here.
Posted by: Ender | Sep 20 2023 18:12 utc | 176
Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 17:03 utc | 73
thx for your reply and your links.
I am interested in the future developments,because in my army-time I was the adju of a russian
general in the nva of the gdr.
Kindly regards
Posted by: Oberbayer | Sep 20 2023 18:14 utc | 177
Posted by: S | Sep 20 2023 17:03 utc | 73
thx for your reply and your links.
I am interested in the future developments,because in my army-time I was the adju of a russian
general in the nva of the gdr.
Kindly regards
Posted by: Oberbayer | Sep 20 2023 18:14 utc | 178
🇺🇲🇺🇦❗️Ukraine will not receive ATACMS missiles , Fox News correspondent Lucas Tomlinson tweeted.
“>https://t.me/intelslava/51375
If true, there are more and more signs the Kiev regime is being thrown under the bus by its sponsor.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 18:17 utc | 179
🇺🇲🇺🇦❗️Ukraine will not receive ATACMS missiles , Fox News correspondent Lucas Tomlinson tweeted.
“>https://t.me/intelslava/51375
If true, there are more and more signs the Kiev regime is being thrown under the bus by its sponsor.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 20 2023 18:17 utc | 180
The theatre of the obscene is entering its final act’s.
And there will be still more appalling moments but!
The question is.
For whos benefit ?
In a decade.
Who’s running the Ukraine.
And the population remnant?
That’s all that needs to be revealed.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 20 2023 18:26 utc | 181
The theatre of the obscene is entering its final act’s.
And there will be still more appalling moments but!
The question is.
For whos benefit ?
In a decade.
Who’s running the Ukraine.
And the population remnant?
That’s all that needs to be revealed.
Posted by: jpc | Sep 20 2023 18:26 utc | 182
RE: Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 20 2023 15:51 utc | 45
I appreciate the “great power” link and checked out article & MOA, I had forgotten how good those MOA articles are.
I’m not in much agreement about “back door wrangling” as others are.
After Wang Yi was assaulted by Blinken & UK Clancy about China’s “stance” and how it needed to change regarding Russia, he then immediately left for Russia and the next day publicly stated his support of all things Russia.
The VP of China was met with John Kerry, tin cup in hand for “climate support”. So the “international” lets adopt Ukraines “10 point peace proposal” was certainly dead. Or any other statement.
If there were Ukraine “proposals” … I’m sure it went like this:
Zelensky/Blinken: We want to “build a space” for talks, let’s commit to a limited ceasefire…
Russia: No.
Zelensky/Blinken: You take your men out of Zaporozhye, return the NPP, get out of Kherson, we will let you keep Crimea, and your land bridge, and we freeze the conflict, have UN elections/peacekeepers while negotiations with all parties, NATO will be taken off the table during the freeze.
Until we have Ukraine security agreements in place.
Russia: No
Zelensky/Blinken: If you do not remove your troops from our territory, we will have no choice but to destroy every place a soldier of yours is standing.
Russia: No.
Biden: “Putin could end this war tomorrow if he wanted too”.
Russia: “Now we understand one another….”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 20 2023 18:27 utc | 183
RE: Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 20 2023 15:51 utc | 45
I appreciate the “great power” link and checked out article & MOA, I had forgotten how good those MOA articles are.
I’m not in much agreement about “back door wrangling” as others are.
After Wang Yi was assaulted by Blinken & UK Clancy about China’s “stance” and how it needed to change regarding Russia, he then immediately left for Russia and the next day publicly stated his support of all things Russia.
The VP of China was met with John Kerry, tin cup in hand for “climate support”. So the “international” lets adopt Ukraines “10 point peace proposal” was certainly dead. Or any other statement.
If there were Ukraine “proposals” … I’m sure it went like this:
Zelensky/Blinken: We want to “build a space” for talks, let’s commit to a limited ceasefire…
Russia: No.
Zelensky/Blinken: You take your men out of Zaporozhye, return the NPP, get out of Kherson, we will let you keep Crimea, and your land bridge, and we freeze the conflict, have UN elections/peacekeepers while negotiations with all parties, NATO will be taken off the table during the freeze.
Until we have Ukraine security agreements in place.
Russia: No
Zelensky/Blinken: If you do not remove your troops from our territory, we will have no choice but to destroy every place a soldier of yours is standing.
Russia: No.
Biden: “Putin could end this war tomorrow if he wanted too”.
Russia: “Now we understand one another….”
Posted by: Trubind1 | Sep 20 2023 18:27 utc | 184
Ukraine’s chances of ever getting into the EU were always tiny. Now they are exactly zero. It will never be in NATO. It will never get ironclad security guarantees from the West. Not a single drop of western non-mercenary blood will ever be spilt on its behalf. Compared to 1991, its population will likely halve over the course of the next decade. The remnants of its industrial core are now part of Russia. So are the areas rich in natural resources and much of its fabled chernozem. Its infrastructure is in ruins. That one neighbor they used to kind of at least sometimes be able to get along with is now a mortal enemy. Outside of the dominant liberal-progressive PMC bubble, there is growing hatred for Ukrainians in Europe where there used to be just indifference – and once the right-wingers will come to power (by capitalizing on the disastrous economic consequences in France and Germany) this hostility will be shown openly with ugly consequences.
Future historians will look back at Ukraine’s decision making and struggle to explain this gargantuan, self-sabotaging stupidity. Ukraine was never a bed of roses, its history drenched in blood and tears. And by adopting a nationalism purely centered on victimhood and ancient grievances they managed to make their situation even worse. I hope those brief spells of collective catharsis they experienced while lobbing shells at Donetsk or torching labor unionists in Odessa were worth all of this – because beyond those little memories they are going to lose everything in this war.
Posted by: Schlachterhund | Sep 20 2023 18:29 utc | 185
Ukraine’s chances of ever getting into the EU were always tiny. Now they are exactly zero. It will never be in NATO. It will never get ironclad security guarantees from the West. Not a single drop of western non-mercenary blood will ever be spilt on its behalf. Compared to 1991, its population will likely halve over the course of the next decade. The remnants of its industrial core are now part of Russia. So are the areas rich in natural resources and much of its fabled chernozem. Its infrastructure is in ruins. That one neighbor they used to kind of at least sometimes be able to get along with is now a mortal enemy. Outside of the dominant liberal-progressive PMC bubble, there is growing hatred for Ukrainians in Europe where there used to be just indifference – and once the right-wingers will come to power (by capitalizing on the disastrous economic consequences in France and Germany) this hostility will be shown openly with ugly consequences.
Future historians will look back at Ukraine’s decision making and struggle to explain this gargantuan, self-sabotaging stupidity. Ukraine was never a bed of roses, its history drenched in blood and tears. And by adopting a nationalism purely centered on victimhood and ancient grievances they managed to make their situation even worse. I hope those brief spells of collective catharsis they experienced while lobbing shells at Donetsk or torching labor unionists in Odessa were worth all of this – because beyond those little memories they are going to lose everything in this war.
Posted by: Schlachterhund | Sep 20 2023 18:29 utc | 186
Norwegian @ 83
Unconfirmed rumors (yes, from Telegram chatter) that “Sarah” Ashton-Cirillo has been suspended by the Kiev regime. It seems to be confirmed
If Biden buys the farm or gets impeached the DNC can run Cirillo as VP for Kamala. I try not to succumb to the lure of decadence but it would be exquisite. If dystopia had limits it wouldn’t be dystopia.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 18:34 utc | 187
Norwegian @ 83
Unconfirmed rumors (yes, from Telegram chatter) that “Sarah” Ashton-Cirillo has been suspended by the Kiev regime. It seems to be confirmed
If Biden buys the farm or gets impeached the DNC can run Cirillo as VP for Kamala. I try not to succumb to the lure of decadence but it would be exquisite. If dystopia had limits it wouldn’t be dystopia.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 18:34 utc | 188
@85
guess Pashinyan & Aliev will award them with medals
„heros of naborny karabach“
Posted by: tesla | Sep 20 2023 18:34 utc | 189
@85
guess Pashinyan & Aliev will award them with medals
„heros of naborny karabach“
Posted by: tesla | Sep 20 2023 18:34 utc | 190
Now that people are warming to 500k ukranian KIA lets explain a small detail.
The 1:1 KIA to WIA incapable of returning to active duty.
Everytime soldirs are hit, 1/6 dies 1/6 becomes irreversibly useless (but only 1 in 20 an amputee) and 2/3 go back to the front.
That can give an initial KIA to WIA of 1:6, but after some rounds in the carousel it’s getting close to 1:1
1:3 or 1:1.67 is a typical number when you are still injecting a lot of conscripts, lot of the wonded will play again and either leave one way or the other.
Posted by: newbie | Sep 20 2023 18:36 utc | 191
Now that people are warming to 500k ukranian KIA lets explain a small detail.
The 1:1 KIA to WIA incapable of returning to active duty.
Everytime soldirs are hit, 1/6 dies 1/6 becomes irreversibly useless (but only 1 in 20 an amputee) and 2/3 go back to the front.
That can give an initial KIA to WIA of 1:6, but after some rounds in the carousel it’s getting close to 1:1
1:3 or 1:1.67 is a typical number when you are still injecting a lot of conscripts, lot of the wonded will play again and either leave one way or the other.
Posted by: newbie | Sep 20 2023 18:36 utc | 192
because I don´t have a smartphone (…)
Posted by: Oberbayer | Sep 20 2023 16:41 utc | 66
YOU LIE!
http://www.culturepub.fr/videos/les-cahiers-du-cinema-john-malkovitch/
Posted by: Leuk | Sep 20 2023 18:38 utc | 193
because I don´t have a smartphone (…)
Posted by: Oberbayer | Sep 20 2023 16:41 utc | 66
YOU LIE!
http://www.culturepub.fr/videos/les-cahiers-du-cinema-john-malkovitch/
Posted by: Leuk | Sep 20 2023 18:38 utc | 194
Norwegian @ 91
Ukraine will not receive ATACMS missiles , Fox News correspondent Lucas Tomlinson tweeted.
Meh, today off, tomorrow on, on-off, off-on, that’s the trick but this ATACMS crap is getting long in the tooth. Maybe the Pentagon is as confused as they want us to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqjhHVUzl8o
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 18:39 utc | 195
Norwegian @ 91
Ukraine will not receive ATACMS missiles , Fox News correspondent Lucas Tomlinson tweeted.
Meh, today off, tomorrow on, on-off, off-on, that’s the trick but this ATACMS crap is getting long in the tooth. Maybe the Pentagon is as confused as they want us to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqjhHVUzl8o
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 20 2023 18:39 utc | 196
Outside of the dominant liberal-progressive PMC bubble, there is growing hatred for Ukrainians in Europe where there used to be just indifference
Posted by: Schlachterhund | Sep 20 2023 18:29
Interior Minister Nancy Faeser, of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), has stated her party’s intention to massively expand voting rights for foreigners. This includes a plan for refugees who have lived in Germany for more than six months to be allowed to vote, according to the German daily BILD.
Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 18:40 utc | 197
Outside of the dominant liberal-progressive PMC bubble, there is growing hatred for Ukrainians in Europe where there used to be just indifference
Posted by: Schlachterhund | Sep 20 2023 18:29
Interior Minister Nancy Faeser, of the Social Democratic Party (SPD), has stated her party’s intention to massively expand voting rights for foreigners. This includes a plan for refugees who have lived in Germany for more than six months to be allowed to vote, according to the German daily BILD.
Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 18:40 utc | 198
@100
Hahahaha
what the hell is Germany?
Germany is dead!
Its die „Mannschaft“! ))))
Posted by: tesla | Sep 20 2023 18:45 utc | 199
@100
Hahahaha
what the hell is Germany?
Germany is dead!
Its die „Mannschaft“! ))))
Posted by: tesla | Sep 20 2023 18:45 utc | 200