I come here to get Down South’s reporting since I don’t do social media.

Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | Sep 20 2023 13:10 utc | 3

German industry responding to their government, by leaving.
I have mentioned BASF spending $10B in China. wsj, below, has a better list.
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/german-companies-defy-rising-pressure-to-limit-exposure-to-china-4a877b27?mod=hp_lead_pos10
After this major Janet Yellen accomplishment she is going for net zero carbon banking. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 20 2023 13:14 utc | 5

hmmm The Intercept has an article . USA got Pakistan to supply arms to Ukraine by getting them out of an IMF situation . Price was Pakistan military and USA organising the vote of no confidence vote against Imran Khan to get him out. I wonder what the relationship is between Russia and Pakistan…….
The apparently enhanced Lancet longer range that has been successful targeting further airfields with what remains -?-of Ukr airforce… vids seem to show quite a few planes on the ground!!!…via Sputnik news
“Now, conjectured the US report, the Lancet’s new, longer-travel range can “threaten not just the MiGs at Dolgintsevo, but also any Ukrainian warplanes using the reserve base at Voznesensk in Nikolayev Regio”. Sputnik surmises the attack is a warning that any F16 arrivals using these bases will be dealt with by such .
Comments are that the Ukr base has insufficient air defence… but I wonder why these bases have not been sufficiently targeted by Russia before …considering Ukr planes have already been and may continue to fly and launch eg Stormshadow … ???

Posted by: Jo | Sep 20 2023 13:26 utc | 7

and I mean these bases could have targeted by bombers and larger long range missiles ….a Ukr SU24 bomber was “intercepted “by Rus planes yesterday and more Stormshadows… so also there are still these.

Posted by: Jo | Sep 20 2023 13:38 utc | 9

Graunidad is really sophisticated as they put the main story on Nagorno Karabach to appear as EU brokered a ceasefire. I am not linking it even.
I think that Ukraine is finished and it will tone down really soon. Ze is done as his regime soon gone. Possible resolution will come out of Ukrainian military as everyone there understands that there will be no new tanks or planes, just NATO trash. Does the West understand that every doubling down will bring just negative results remains to be seen.
Maybe Down South overdoses us with TG stuff, but for some of us who are deprived of such info is not useless.
Ukrainian threads would be useful to discuss, if TG cuts will be posted upfront in a header.

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 20 2023 13:41 utc | 11

I appreciate down south reposting as well.i don’t have time to comb through social media either. Thanks DS.

Posted by: Gerry | Sep 20 2023 13:42 utc | 13

I record Ukrainian drones attacks on civilians daily but I have not been able to find any reports of these since the 17th Sept. Am I missing something or have the drone attacks been suspended. Artillery attacks on civilians continue daily as usual. Could this have something to do with the UNGA or Starlink. Maybe someone has already reported on it and I have missed it. Any information would be appreciated.

Posted by: Rob Campbell | Sep 20 2023 13:43 utc | 15

Re: Down South
Ignore B, keep it up.
Oso

Posted by: El Oso de Los Llanos | Sep 20 2023 13:53 utc | 17

Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!

Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 19

b – I find that Down South’s posts complement your articles and this gives a fuller picture of the situation.

Posted by: cirsium | Sep 20 2023 13:56 utc | 21

Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | Sep 20 2023 13:10 utc | 2
and
Posted by: Gerry | Sep 20 2023 13:42 utc | 7
I, too, truly value DownSouth’s re-posts, particularly at this crucial juncture in the war.
If the current level of re-posting is unacceptable to our host, would DownSouth please consider initiating a Substack, separate from this forum, in which to continue or even expand on the work he has been doing here?

Posted by: Mexicana | Sep 20 2023 13:56 utc | 23

I am long time reader, I disagree with @b, DownSouth’s TG postings are a fabulous time saver for us, even for those like me who read the original sources, he does an unpayable work to all the readers.
I kindly suggest @b to be mercyful and understanding, as long as his re-posts are fitting the general benefit of the readers/users.
Thank you

Posted by: lurker | Sep 20 2023 13:59 utc | 25

My analysis of the Ukraine war in my blog rpdeans.blogspot.com
I post on Geopolitics, Indian national security and startups.

Posted by: Deans | Sep 20 2023 14:02 utc | 27

It’s reported that just since the beginning of the “Volga” program allowing Ukrainian soldiers to surrender by contacting the RF through radio, around 3500 UA soldiers have already surrendered. The radio channels were increased a couple months ago, seeing an uptick from just 200 soldiers to the current count. This seems very significant news. Feels like a big development will come about in the next few months…

Posted by: T6 | Sep 20 2023 14:05 utc | 29

Also posting to support Down South’s contributions.
The noise-to-information ratio in this forum can be deafening, and it’s a reason why I post little. Down South is one of the very few posters that I follow regularly.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 20 2023 14:08 utc | 31

I enjoy the bar from work. I too find DownSouth’s postings to be helpful and supplemental to the threads, b.
Thank you, b, for hosting us!

Posted by: Granite | Sep 20 2023 14:09 utc | 33

Re: Telegram posts.
What B seems to be asking is for Down South to cut back, not eliminate.
And that doesn’t stop any of the rest of you from posting Telegram links. Although the same high-quality standard is implied.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 20 2023 14:13 utc | 35

that is Monty Pythonesk thinking… losing arms and legs and calling them flesh wounds is not a wise thing to do..

Posted by: RiNS | Sep 20 2023 14:14 utc | 37

hmmm The Intercept has an article . USA got Pakistan to supply arms to Ukraine by getting them out of an IMF situation . Price was Pakistan military and USA organising the vote of no confidence vote against Imran Khan to get him out. I wonder what the relationship is between Russia and Pakistan…….
Posted by: Jo | Sep 20 2023 13:26 utc | 4
The two Eurasian giants are waiting patiently for the time that the naughty, out of control, imbecilic children running that country will start psychotherapy for real.
The people will sort out the illegal occupation of their freedom, abuses and financial terror unleashed by low IQ narcissistic overgrown children.

Posted by: sal | Sep 20 2023 14:16 utc | 39

Ummm as owner of the bar B must have a good reason to ask for cutback on telegram/twitter/etc links
He doesnt even need to give explanations.
There are so many ways someone with nonactive acvountbcan still browse those sites. Nitter for twitter for example.
Dont be lazy and respect the bar owner. Cheers

Posted by: Comandante | Sep 20 2023 14:21 utc | 41

b – I find that Down South’s posts complement your articles and this gives a fuller picture of the situation.
Posted by: cirsium | Sep 20 2023 13:56 utc | 11
I have the same experience. B’s bar of course.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 20 2023 14:36 utc | 43

b | Sep 20 2023 13:01 utc | 1
IMO, Down South’s telegram repostings are more valuable
than at least 95% of other comments.

Posted by: Cindy Martin | Sep 20 2023 14:38 utc | 45

Hal Freeman explored the life of Vladimir Putin…
https://halfreeman.wordpress.com
Putin and his colleagues realized that the end was coming for the USSR, although it does not appear that they thought it would come as quickly as it did. There were things all along that led Putin to express admiration for men like Alexander Solzhenitsyn or Andrei Sakharov, who were dissidents. He also thought the USSR should hold elections for their leaders. According to a colleague in Germany Putin called the Soviet’s participation in the war in Afghanistan “senseless and in fact criminal.” One Russian commentator I read some time ago, whose name I cannot recall, referred to Putin as a семидесятник (“semidesyatnik”). The term means, “person of the 70s,” that is, the generation that came of age in the 1970s. While of course there were exceptions, individuals of that generation were known for reaching young adulthood at the time the USSR was turning into an ineffective regime run by tired, old men. Hence, they were very patriotic in so far as their relationship to their country, but they had no strong ideological commitment to Communism or the Party. Chernobyl, the war in Afghanistan, and the declining standard of living combined to make them distrust, at least to some degree, the value of the Communist system.
At the end of his career in Germany, Putin is known for one final act of valor. On November 9, 1989 the Berlin Wall came down. The dividing line between the two “Berlins” was no more. Rioting and rabble rousing continued after the wall came down. On December 5 a large crowd of “rebels,” many of whom were armed, flooded the area of the East German secret intelligence compound, and it appeared they were doing a lot of damage. Some were screaming they were torturing people.
The KGB office and yard was located in the same compound. Around midnight a fraction of the large crowd broke off and headed toward the KGB office. Putin’s superiors had already left for the evening, and he was in charge. He had been monitoring the situation all evening and expected the rioters would come. He had phoned Moscow several times for counsel or orders. After all attempts failed, he realized Moscow was not going to respond. He was on his own. He later admitted to his own shock that no one in his home country would advise him or even talk to him. He said, “At that moment I had the feeling that the country was no more.” He must have sensed more strongly than ever that it was the twilight not only of the USSR, the country in which he had been raised, it was also the end of the Communism he had been taught from a child, and eventually it was the twilight of his own KGB career as well.
There are several varying accounts of what happened next. Some more fantastic than others. I will stick with the basics, although I am sure if one had been there that night it would not have looked like a calm event on anyone’s recollection.
Putin stopped the telephone calls to Moscow and put on his uniform. Some say he carried a side arm, but others say he left his weapon in the office. As the crowd approached Putin calmly walked out and confronted them alone. He addressed their leader in a normal tone. The German would say later he was taken aback at first because he had never heard a Russian speak such fluent German. Putin informed them the building was guarded. His men were armed, and he had already given them the orders that if anyone entered the yard they were to open fire. There was probably more said than that. Putin indicated that whatever they did to him, his men had already received their orders. He clearly gave the impression that “his men” had more firepower than they actually had. At that point he calmly turned and walked back toward the building—not knowing if they would let him live to complete that walk or not.
The crowd had gathered to harass and harm the German security. They decided they did not want to risk their lives taking on the Russians. For all his KGB career Putin had been an administrator who worked on case files, wrote, reviewed and sent reports. At that moment, on that night, however, I think he would have made Major Belov quite proud.
Apparently, Putin is made of pretty stern stuff….
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Sep 20 2023 14:39 utc | 47

… and I mean these bases could have targeted by bombers and larger long range missiles ….a Ukr SU24 bomber was “intercepted “by Rus planes yesterday and more Stormshadows… so also there are still these.
Posted by: Jo | Sep 20 2023 13:38 utc | 5
It’s just harder that it seems to hit the planes themselves, a live video feed and the ability to steer a few kg of explosive to within a metre or so makes a huge difference. Precision really does matter,
On the other hand there are layers and levels. If RF were to magically prevent UA from operating military aircraft there is such a thing as a Ground Launched Cruise Missile so flying aircraft is mostly about destroying old hardware because cruise missiles can be got into the air other ways.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 20 2023 14:42 utc | 49

Max Blumenthal: Ukraine to become “Big Israel”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmICm4qO3i4&t=1851s

Posted by: crone | Sep 20 2023 14:46 utc | 51

Latest Simplicus sitrep is up
Also another plug for DownSouth’s posts. He does a fantastic job of curating Telegram and bringing good content to the bar.
3 cheers for DownSouth!

Posted by: Ezz | Sep 20 2023 14:56 utc | 53

I wonder why these bases have not been sufficiently targeted by Russia before …considering Ukr planes have already been and may continue to fly and launch eg Stormshadow … ???
Posted by: Jo | Sep 20 2023 13:26 utc
Airfields were hit multiple times. The Migs are sent one after another from Poland, they don’t wait somewhere in Ukr to be used. When natoid planes will arrive the story will be different, they need much better airfield conditions than Soviet planes

Posted by: rk | Sep 20 2023 14:59 utc | 55

Down South. I find your Telegram posts very useful.

Posted by: Rob Campbell | Sep 20 2023 15:02 utc | 57

@Posted by: b | Sep 20 2023 13:01 utc | 1
I also find Down South’s TG re-postings useful. But I can understand that b might prefer Down South to be more selective? Maybe a 20-30% reduction in the number of re-postings? Just my guess, but I imagine there is significant work for b in managing the large volume of comments.
And thank you to b and Down South for all your hard work! MoA is my primary source of news now.

Posted by: tawharanui | Sep 20 2023 15:09 utc | 59

agree with @pretzelattack 22
albeit I don´t have the expertise of most others here
(I don´t have the impression the site is being convoluted via DS since its font is immediately recognizable visually)

Posted by: AG | Sep 20 2023 15:10 utc | 61

Posted by: Cindy Martin | Sep 20 2023 14:38 utc | 23
Hear, hear. Particularly true lately.

Posted by: Mexicana | Sep 20 2023 15:10 utc | 63

Going slow is winning!
Russian HQ Attacked. Many Military Officers Killed
Russian army officers key to Moscow’s war effort in Ukraine were killed following a strike on their military headquarters, a Russian Telgrm channel has reported.
The VChK-OGPU outlet, which purports to have inside information from Russian security forces, said that the command post of Russia’s 7th Airborne Division located in the occupied part of the southern Ukrainian oblast of Kherson had been hit.
“Many officers died from a targeted strike,” said the post, “the exact number of victims has been carefully concealed. At the time of the shelling, the paratroopers had been undergoing daily planning.”
The channel said the information was confirmed by Yevgeny Khanin, the chairman of the veterans organization of the 7th Guards Air Assault Division stationed in Novorossiysk, in Russia’s Krasnodar region, which lies close to Kherson.
[link to http://www.msn.com (secure)]

Posted by: Stegiel | Sep 20 2023 15:14 utc | 65

Financial Times: Poland ramps up Ukraine criticism ahead of elections https://archive.is/NpmeY

Poland has escalated its rhetoric against Ukraine beyond a trade dispute over grain, with president Andrzej Duda comparing the war-torn country to a drowning person clinging to their rescuer and endangering their life.
“Ukraine is behaving like a drowning person clinging to anything available,” Duda told Polish journalists in New York on Tuesday. “A drowning person is extremely dangerous, capable of pulling you down to the depths . . . simply drown the rescuer.”
The president’s unflattering remarks came after Poland led a coalition of central and eastern European countries that extended unilateral curbs on imports of Ukrainian foodstuffs despite the EU agreeing to lift them on Friday.
“We have the right to defend ourselves against harm being done to us,” Duda said.
Warsaw is now unlikely to extend the current level of support granted to about 1mn Ukrainian refugees beyond 2024. “These regulations will simply expire next year,” Polish government spokesperson Piotr Müller said on Monday.

Zelensky reacts on Twitter https://archive.is/qyNuI

Russia has blocked our Black and Azov sea ports and continues to target our Danube ports with missiles and drones. It tries to weaponize global food shortages in exchange for recognition of some, if not all, of the captured territories. Russia is launching food prices as weapons.
We opened a temporary sea export corridor. We’re working to preserve land routes. Alarmingly, some in Europe play out solidarity in a political theater—turning grain into a thriller. They may seem to play their own roles. In fact they’re helping set the stage for a Moscow actor.

Posted by: qwert | Sep 20 2023 15:17 utc | 67

Posted by: Stegiel | Sep 20 2023 15:14 utc | 33

Are you trying to reassure yourself? Everything the Ukrainians say can be taken with a fist sized ball of salt. Even if true I’m struggling to understand why you think it matters?
The Ukrainians (not all being completely retarded or having a death wish) having the coward Maericans helping them will of course be able to pull off occasional tactical successes..this is inevitable, wither slowSmo or fastSmo. What it doesn’t do however is change the strategic course of the war.
Ukraine should surrender and would if it wasn’t a marionette dancing to Maericas tune.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 20 2023 15:23 utc | 69

Posted by: Stegiel | Sep 20 2023 15:14 utc | 33
There is a piece written by a previous ‘strictly come dancing’ irish homosexual journalist based in London reporting for the newsweek outlet. Anything from newsweek is russofobic and very likely fake.

Posted by: AI | Sep 20 2023 15:31 utc | 71

I, also, for the reasons many stated above, value Down South’s work.
Also, check out https://askeptic.substack.com This site is similar to Simplicius’ Garden of Knowledge.
Antoinetta III

Posted by: Antoinetta III | Sep 20 2023 15:32 utc | 73

Victory, when it comes, will not feel like victory; it could not. But neither will it be a whimper, as Eliot puts it in his poem. It will simply be the end of the Special Military Operation. There will be a lot of sadness because of the destruction and lives wasted in terrible fashion. No victory parades, none.
But there will be peace, something we haven’t had for a long, long time. And each of us will savor it like an unexpected blessing, and we will be thankful, indeed we will be thankful. Let’s savor it in advance as this smallest liturgical feast begins- the birth of the Mother of Christ, the Theotokos. In icons, births and deaths are represented very similarly – there is shown the littlest of souls, coming into the world or departing from it.
Thanks be, that we can now see the light at the end of the tunnel, distant still perhaps, but bright with the promise of a new day ahead.

Posted by: juliania | Sep 20 2023 15:33 utc | 75

Re: Telegram posts.
What B seems to be asking is for Down South to cut back, not eliminate.
And that doesn’t stop any of the rest of you from posting Telegram links. Although the same high-quality standard is implied.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 20 2023 14:13 utc | 18
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Exactly Love Donbass, b just asked that Down South not monopolize the MoA with post after post of “news” from TG. The MoA belongs to b, and if those who want to have TG news all day on demand should go to TG and read it; if I am not mistaken, I think there is a pay wall.
Many (not all) of the people who are attacking b about this issue are NOT familiar to me, and I have been reading and posting comments here almost since the SMO started in February 2022. Funny how people who otherwise have nothing to say come out of the woodwork to attack b and MoA when the opportunity arises.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 20 2023 15:38 utc | 77

Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!
Posted by: Orc_Slayer_88 | Sep 20 2023 13:55 utc | 10
Here’s one for the soon to be armless, legless wonder of the world.
Metallica, One.
https://youtu.be/WM8bTdBs-cw?si=Va5CqEPF83A_-57y
Go easy on the mythology buddy. You and your fellow orc slayers are going to end up like this guy.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 20 2023 15:44 utc | 79

I highly appreciate telegram summaries by Down South, because I would never dare to register with a social network myself.

Posted by: neutrino | Sep 20 2023 15:44 utc | 81

Re juliana (37):
Amen.
Матерь Христова, молись о нас

Posted by: Ciaran | Sep 20 2023 15:44 utc | 83

The Meth-heads that control DC have unleashed a Financial Trainwreck.
Interest this Fiscal year (Sept 30th) is $1 Trillion – more than the Pentagon. Estimated Interest for Fiscal year ending Sept 30/2024, is
$ 1.6 Trillion. Tax revenue is declining, spending is greater than budget.
New Debt, including rolling over Old Debt, demands $5-6 Trillion in funding. Foreign Purchases are wobbling and the Fed risks Hyper-inflation if they buy the Debt using newly Printed Money.
Russia is winning this war, by playing Rope-a-Dope with Ukraine, and letting the U.S. do what it is best at. Lying and Bragging.
Europe is going to rue the day they stopped paying for their own defense and were relegated to concubines being told what to do by their belligerent Benefactor.

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 20 2023 15:48 utc | 85

I only come here for five or six posters… Down South is one of them.
since I am banned I am posting to a cloud in hopes that b hears/sees before it is too late.
It isn’t bots and trolls that are destroying the best blog on the internet … it is the owner himself.
I remember back before vk.
what a sad day

Posted by: ld | Sep 20 2023 15:51 utc | 87

‘Right now, there is and will be intensive negotiations/talks in the US, on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly meeting. Reportedly, Russian FM Lavrov has given an ultimatum to President Zelensky and Biden & Zelensky will have tough talks. Allegedly, talks have been extremely tough and Zelensky may return with empty hands.’
https://greatpowerrelations.com/western-false-narrative-coming-to-an-end/
MoA gets well deserved appreciation in that article. Go’orn b.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Sep 20 2023 15:51 utc | 89

Tally of drone strikes the other night.

The moment of the explosion in Krivoy Rog last night – the sounds of arrivals were recorded by a video surveillance camera.
The same explosions were heard:
▪️In Odessa and Odessa region
▪️In Khmelnitsky region
▪️Ukrainian TG channels reported about a group of “Geran” UAVs flying to the Lvov region through the Ternopil region.
NE.CAXAP
https://t.me/sharednewsby/12312
[ Album ]
The mayor of Lvov reported that Russian Geraniums hit an industrial warehouse in the city.
The mayor of the city of Lvov reported that as a result of the work of Russian “Geraniums”, an industrial warehouse in the city was hit – a fire was recorded on its territory. However, it is not specified which industrial facility was hit.
NE.CAXAP
https://t.me/sharednewsby/12313
The work of “Geranium” on the port infrastructure of the Odessa region last night (Reni in the video).
▪️In Lvov, fires in warehouses with NATO ammunition cannot be extinguished for more than 5 hours.
NE.CAXAP
https://t.me/sharednewsby/12315
[ Album ]
Images from Slavyansk of a college campus building where the enemy was being stationed.
ENGINEERS OF THE BLACK SEA FLEET 🇷🇺 ⚓️
“>https://t.me/sharednewsby/12326

American Avenger A/D system hit by D-30 howitzer. https://t.me/the_Right_People/23738

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 15:54 utc | 91

Ukraine will make any sacrifice to liberate its lands…death to all Orcs!!!
Orc_Slayer_88
Well, not all Ukrainians are quite so insane as you may be. We read that the non-Nazi, reasonable conscripts into Zelenskyy’s army are now surrendering in droves to Russian forces. I suggest that yahoos of your obvious persuasion replace these sane fellows now in Russian prison camps (where they are treated like human beings, unlike what the Kiev regime did to them). After all, someone has to keep up the MoD’s daily Ukrainian casualty numbers.

Posted by: Jack Gordon | Sep 20 2023 15:54 utc | 93

Azerbaijan-Armenia Update: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/armenia-azerbaijan-update

Posted by: Rob Campbell | Sep 20 2023 15:58 utc | 95

Came across this in today’s RT and if you’ve seen it, watch it again. It regards Idiocracy. LMAO
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1669042023582556168
Like Canada and Indian relations now.

Posted by: Angelo | Sep 20 2023 15:59 utc | 97

🇷🇺 Footage of the destruction of the base of the forces of the 35th Marine Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Ugledar
According to the location established by intelligence for the concentration of manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near the settlement. Pavlovka suffered a missile strike. A precise missile hit destroyed the militants and equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the temporary deployment point.
The command and observation post of the battalion of the 72nd Mechanized Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Ugledar area was also hit.
@Slavyangrad
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/29868

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 20 2023 16:02 utc | 99