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September 17, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-219
Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Like our very own barkeep b, the force is strong with this one too. Enjoy Posted by: Suresh | Sep 18 2023 2:36 utc | 201 Like our very own barkeep b, the force is strong with this one too. Enjoy Posted by: Suresh | Sep 18 2023 2:36 utc | 202 Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 99 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 3:01 utc | 203 Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 99 Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 3:01 utc | 204 OhhCanada – you make me feel sorry for my southern fellow Canucks who are as deluded as their southern cousins in believing the propaganda spewed constantly on our mainstream media. Posted by: Arcticman | Sep 18 2023 3:22 utc | 205 OhhCanada – you make me feel sorry for my southern fellow Canucks who are as deluded as their southern cousins in believing the propaganda spewed constantly on our mainstream media. Posted by: Arcticman | Sep 18 2023 3:22 utc | 206 Uhhh what propaganda? Russia is on a mission with China to take away western control, nothing ever in history suggests they will just hand it over or give up without one hell of a fight. Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 18 2023 3:46 utc | 207 Uhhh what propaganda? Russia is on a mission with China to take away western control, nothing ever in history suggests they will just hand it over or give up without one hell of a fight. Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 18 2023 3:46 utc | 208 One ongoing meme I would like to add as a part of the countdown to some form of Ukraine capitulation (surrender is a different verb) is to track changes in Western MSM coverage. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 18 2023 3:47 utc | 209 One ongoing meme I would like to add as a part of the countdown to some form of Ukraine capitulation (surrender is a different verb) is to track changes in Western MSM coverage. Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 18 2023 3:47 utc | 210 Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 99 Posted by: OnceWere | Sep 18 2023 3:50 utc | 211 Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 99 Posted by: OnceWere | Sep 18 2023 3:50 utc | 212 jonBoinAR 100 Posted by: Giyane | Sep 18 2023 4:15 utc | 213 jonBoinAR 100 Posted by: Giyane | Sep 18 2023 4:15 utc | 214 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 18 2023 3:47 utc | 105 Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 4:39 utc | 215 Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 18 2023 3:47 utc | 105 Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 4:39 utc | 216 As we know the Deep State appears to have factions, one camp wanting to keep the Ukraine war going as long as possible, and the other wanting to move the war to China. Even the neocons must realize by now the US cannot prosecute a war on multiple fronts. I would expect that whoever wins this internecine tussle will dictate how long the Ukraine war runs. Likewise expect China feels quite comfortable the longer it runs. Posted by: Organic | Sep 18 2023 4:43 utc | 217 As we know the Deep State appears to have factions, one camp wanting to keep the Ukraine war going as long as possible, and the other wanting to move the war to China. Even the neocons must realize by now the US cannot prosecute a war on multiple fronts. I would expect that whoever wins this internecine tussle will dictate how long the Ukraine war runs. Likewise expect China feels quite comfortable the longer it runs. Posted by: Organic | Sep 18 2023 4:43 utc | 218 Posted by: Giyane | Sep 18 2023 4:15 utc | 107 Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 5:01 utc | 219 Posted by: Giyane | Sep 18 2023 4:15 utc | 107 Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 5:01 utc | 220 Even this lunatic Budanov said the war will not end in a Ukraine parade in Moscow, and Ukraine is completely reliant on external players while Russia only relies on itself. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2023 5:09 utc | 221 Even this lunatic Budanov said the war will not end in a Ukraine parade in Moscow, and Ukraine is completely reliant on external players while Russia only relies on itself. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2023 5:09 utc | 222 @DaVinci 2 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 5:59 utc | 223 @DaVinci 2 Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 5:59 utc | 224 @unimperator 111: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 6:14 utc | 225 @unimperator 111: Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 6:14 utc | 226 Canada announces a 33$ million package for air defence. that doesn’t even cover the cost of a full load of missiles in it Posted by: hankster | Sep 18 2023 6:35 utc | 227 Canada announces a 33$ million package for air defence. that doesn’t even cover the cost of a full load of missiles in it Posted by: hankster | Sep 18 2023 6:35 utc | 228
… that does seem possible to be honest … Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 18 2023 6:38 utc | 229
… that does seem possible to be honest … Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 18 2023 6:38 utc | 230 This looks like it’s going to be a stand off war. Posted by: Johnycomelately | Sep 18 2023 6:50 utc | 231 This looks like it’s going to be a stand off war. Posted by: Johnycomelately | Sep 18 2023 6:50 utc | 232
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Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:56 utc | 238 Apparently Gennady Laguta …
Suicide or “suicide”? That I suppose is one question. However the question more intriguing for me is does it foreshadow how Zelensky will finally leave the scene? Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 18 2023 6:56 utc | 239 Apparently Gennady Laguta …
Suicide or “suicide”? That I suppose is one question. However the question more intriguing for me is does it foreshadow how Zelensky will finally leave the scene? Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 18 2023 6:56 utc | 240 The reason america didn’t give ukraine everything it needs right away and instead drip feeding it is to prevent a fast Russian loss, and instead slowly bleed them dry. That keeps Putin in power while still badly damaging the Russian military which will weaken their global influence Posted by: Link | Sep 18 2023 7:00 utc | 241 The reason america didn’t give ukraine everything it needs right away and instead drip feeding it is to prevent a fast Russian loss, and instead slowly bleed them dry. That keeps Putin in power while still badly damaging the Russian military which will weaken their global influence Posted by: Link | Sep 18 2023 7:00 utc | 242
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Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:00 utc | 244 Above is part 2. Below is Part 1
Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:02 utc | 245 Above is part 2. Below is Part 1
Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:02 utc | 246 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:54 utc | 118 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 18 2023 7:31 utc | 247 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:54 utc | 118 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 18 2023 7:31 utc | 248 Ukronazis continue with their artillery & drones terror against civilians. Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 18 2023 7:32 utc | 249 Ukronazis continue with their artillery & drones terror against civilians. Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 18 2023 7:32 utc | 250 Very much to the point:
Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:37 utc | 251 Very much to the point:
Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:37 utc | 252 Very much to the point:
Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:37 utc | 253 Very much to the point:
Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:37 utc | 254 Even this lunatic Budanov said the war will not end in a Ukraine parade in Moscow, and Ukraine is completely reliant on external players while Russia only relies on itself. Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 7:46 utc | 255 Even this lunatic Budanov said the war will not end in a Ukraine parade in Moscow, and Ukraine is completely reliant on external players while Russia only relies on itself. Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 7:46 utc | 256 At this point, liberals who don’t see this war for what it truly is, that being a proxy war designed to cripple one of the USA’s biggest enemies while further funding the military industrial complex, are either obtuse or just simply don’t care. This was never a morality issue for the USA, we’re not in Ukraine to “save democracy” but simply to fuck over Russia and we truly don’t care whose dead bodies we trample over to get our ways. What the USA facilitated in Pakistan is absolutely a travesty; Imran Khan is one of the first politicians that inspired hope and change in Pakistani citizens and the USA essentially encouraged/funded a coupe in the country because a leader dared to put his countries interests over US/Nato Imperialism. Essentially sacrificed Pakistani citizens civil liberties and their democracy to “save Ukraine” in a war that Ukraine will not win. Posted by: Illustrious Trip | Sep 18 2023 7:49 utc | 257 At this point, liberals who don’t see this war for what it truly is, that being a proxy war designed to cripple one of the USA’s biggest enemies while further funding the military industrial complex, are either obtuse or just simply don’t care. This was never a morality issue for the USA, we’re not in Ukraine to “save democracy” but simply to fuck over Russia and we truly don’t care whose dead bodies we trample over to get our ways. What the USA facilitated in Pakistan is absolutely a travesty; Imran Khan is one of the first politicians that inspired hope and change in Pakistani citizens and the USA essentially encouraged/funded a coupe in the country because a leader dared to put his countries interests over US/Nato Imperialism. Essentially sacrificed Pakistani citizens civil liberties and their democracy to “save Ukraine” in a war that Ukraine will not win. Posted by: Illustrious Trip | Sep 18 2023 7:49 utc | 258 Seems like the era of “sanctions are only helping our economy” pipe dream are coming to an end…
https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/15/russia-raises-interest-rate-to-13-as-economy-struggles Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:52 utc | 259 Seems like the era of “sanctions are only helping our economy” pipe dream are coming to an end…
https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/15/russia-raises-interest-rate-to-13-as-economy-struggles Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:52 utc | 260 I wonder if Russian elites are aware about the western bloc using the ‘boiling frog’ strategy on Russia. Posted by: Kysai | Sep 18 2023 7:55 utc | 261 I wonder if Russian elites are aware about the western bloc using the ‘boiling frog’ strategy on Russia. Posted by: Kysai | Sep 18 2023 7:55 utc | 262 @rk #128
Posted by: Goingo | Sep 18 2023 7:57 utc | 263 @rk #128
Posted by: Goingo | Sep 18 2023 7:57 utc | 264 Goingo | Sep 18 2023 7:57 utc | 132 Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 8:01 utc | 265 Goingo | Sep 18 2023 7:57 utc | 132 Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 8:01 utc | 266
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https://t.me/rezident_ua/19627 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:07 utc | 269
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19627 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:07 utc | 270
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19703 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:10 utc | 271
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19703 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:10 utc | 272
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19704 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:47 utc | 273
https://t.me/rezident_ua/19704 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:47 utc | 274
Interesting! If you or anyone else (Petri?) has more data on that, or a link: please share! Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 8:55 utc | 275
Interesting! If you or anyone else (Petri?) has more data on that, or a link: please share! Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 8:55 utc | 276 I trust Dima. He is short he presents what is actually happening, he is not to wide as Mercouris, he is not to simple as Scot Ritter. Posted by: Simplex | Sep 18 2023 8:57 utc | 277 I trust Dima. He is short he presents what is actually happening, he is not to wide as Mercouris, he is not to simple as Scot Ritter. Posted by: Simplex | Sep 18 2023 8:57 utc | 278 Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 8:01 utc | 133 Posted by: Goingo | Sep 18 2023 8:59 utc | 279 Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 8:01 utc | 133 Posted by: Goingo | Sep 18 2023 8:59 utc | 280 james | Sep 17 2023 20:18 utc | 51, who posted indian punchline from today.. worth the read.. Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 18 2023 9:01 utc | 281 james | Sep 17 2023 20:18 utc | 51, who posted indian punchline from today.. worth the read.. Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 18 2023 9:01 utc | 282 Posted by: Simplex | Sep 18 2023 8:57 utc | 139 Posted by: Boo | Sep 18 2023 9:07 utc | 283 Posted by: Simplex | Sep 18 2023 8:57 utc | 139 Posted by: Boo | Sep 18 2023 9:07 utc | 284 If you or anyone else (Petri?) has more data on that, or a link: please share! Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:13 utc | 285 If you or anyone else (Petri?) has more data on that, or a link: please share! Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:13 utc | 286 Loud(y) Posted by: Suresh | Sep 18 2023 9:18 utc | 287 Loud(y) Posted by: Suresh | Sep 18 2023 9:18 utc | 288 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:02 utc | 123 “without achieving the Russian collapse as happened a year ago in Kherson and Kharkov” Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 9:24 utc | 289 Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:02 utc | 123 “without achieving the Russian collapse as happened a year ago in Kherson and Kharkov” Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 9:24 utc | 290
Thank you! Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 9:38 utc | 291
Thank you! Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 9:38 utc | 292
Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 9:45 utc | 293
Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 9:45 utc | 294 Funny update on Romanian invented drone telenovela. Bulgaria say they they’ve discovered a Ukr drone: Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:51 utc | 295 Funny update on Romanian invented drone telenovela. Bulgaria say they they’ve discovered a Ukr drone: Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:51 utc | 296 Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 18 2023 9:45 utc | 149 “unaudited Pentagon budget” Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 18 2023 9:53 utc | 297 Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 18 2023 9:45 utc | 149 “unaudited Pentagon budget” Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 18 2023 9:53 utc | 298 The finns may say one thing, but they are now in it. There is no going back. Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 18 2023 9:58 utc | 299 The finns may say one thing, but they are now in it. There is no going back. Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 18 2023 9:58 utc | 300 |
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