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September 17, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-219

Only for news & views directly related to the Ukraine conflict.

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Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 99
Technically legally speaking Russia is not at war against Ukraine. Even Elensky shy aware from declaring war and breaking of all ties with Russia.
Of course you know better and actually believe Elensky as a man of his words over Putin.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 3:01 utc | 203

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 99
Technically legally speaking Russia is not at war against Ukraine. Even Elensky shy aware from declaring war and breaking of all ties with Russia.
Of course you know better and actually believe Elensky as a man of his words over Putin.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 3:01 utc | 204

OhhCanada – you make me feel sorry for my southern fellow Canucks who are as deluded as their southern cousins in believing the propaganda spewed constantly on our mainstream media.
I pity you sometimes, as you so earnestly believe in your fairy tales… there is no Scrooge McDuck I am afraid, and real bears kill humans. Just don’t come up north and try to hug our polar bears, okay?

Posted by: Arcticman | Sep 18 2023 3:22 utc | 205

OhhCanada – you make me feel sorry for my southern fellow Canucks who are as deluded as their southern cousins in believing the propaganda spewed constantly on our mainstream media.
I pity you sometimes, as you so earnestly believe in your fairy tales… there is no Scrooge McDuck I am afraid, and real bears kill humans. Just don’t come up north and try to hug our polar bears, okay?

Posted by: Arcticman | Sep 18 2023 3:22 utc | 206

Uhhh what propaganda? Russia is on a mission with China to take away western control, nothing ever in history suggests they will just hand it over or give up without one hell of a fight.
Unless the US and Britain changed in 1 year things will not just stop. Do you honestly think they will just remove sanctions and allow 75% of the worlds population to get the upper hand and starve starve out the west?
Unless traitors that are waiting for BRICS so they can hide their money before a western collapse we are in for one hell of a war.
Tell me enlightened non propaganda man what do you think is going on right now?
They are attacking Moscow for fuck sake, let that sink in

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 18 2023 3:46 utc | 207

Uhhh what propaganda? Russia is on a mission with China to take away western control, nothing ever in history suggests they will just hand it over or give up without one hell of a fight.
Unless the US and Britain changed in 1 year things will not just stop. Do you honestly think they will just remove sanctions and allow 75% of the worlds population to get the upper hand and starve starve out the west?
Unless traitors that are waiting for BRICS so they can hide their money before a western collapse we are in for one hell of a war.
Tell me enlightened non propaganda man what do you think is going on right now?
They are attacking Moscow for fuck sake, let that sink in

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 18 2023 3:46 utc | 208

One ongoing meme I would like to add as a part of the countdown to some form of Ukraine capitulation (surrender is a different verb) is to track changes in Western MSM coverage.
Here and there we see tiny cracks in the mirror or the ice, but rather little. NYT, as the ‘official’ CIA outlet as skimpy with dribs and drabs. I am sure its gotta hurt. Blinken IMHO only listens to CIA, that arrogant bastard. DIA is never to be fooled (I have my reasons and they are not for disclosure), but what gets out is a mystery to me.
WaPo occasionally goes on the fence, read DoD. wsj (lower case intentional, given their preference for Black vs white, yes that crude) would really like a ‘win’ for Team USA.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 18 2023 3:47 utc | 209

One ongoing meme I would like to add as a part of the countdown to some form of Ukraine capitulation (surrender is a different verb) is to track changes in Western MSM coverage.
Here and there we see tiny cracks in the mirror or the ice, but rather little. NYT, as the ‘official’ CIA outlet as skimpy with dribs and drabs. I am sure its gotta hurt. Blinken IMHO only listens to CIA, that arrogant bastard. DIA is never to be fooled (I have my reasons and they are not for disclosure), but what gets out is a mystery to me.
WaPo occasionally goes on the fence, read DoD. wsj (lower case intentional, given their preference for Black vs white, yes that crude) would really like a ‘win’ for Team USA.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 18 2023 3:47 utc | 210

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 99
”The numbers both sides have given out are junk. I would guess Meduza’s numbers as a base are the best data on the issue for Russia. Ukraine’s numbers are likely closer to Russia than being order of magnitude larger.”
I think you mean Mediazona’s/BBC numbers – which have fallen to the lowest level since the conflict began. With that in mind even if you think that casualty numbers were fairly even at some points in the war (during the Bakhmut assault for example) it’s not that hard to believe that the loss ratio in this summer campaign has been massively unfavourable for the Ukrainians. How exactly could it be otherwise when you make almost daily infantry assaults against fortified positions and your advances averaged out over the entire active front would not likely exceed 10 m a day.

Posted by: OnceWere | Sep 18 2023 3:50 utc | 211

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 99
”The numbers both sides have given out are junk. I would guess Meduza’s numbers as a base are the best data on the issue for Russia. Ukraine’s numbers are likely closer to Russia than being order of magnitude larger.”
I think you mean Mediazona’s/BBC numbers – which have fallen to the lowest level since the conflict began. With that in mind even if you think that casualty numbers were fairly even at some points in the war (during the Bakhmut assault for example) it’s not that hard to believe that the loss ratio in this summer campaign has been massively unfavourable for the Ukrainians. How exactly could it be otherwise when you make almost daily infantry assaults against fortified positions and your advances averaged out over the entire active front would not likely exceed 10 m a day.

Posted by: OnceWere | Sep 18 2023 3:50 utc | 212

jonBoinAR 100
Guardian opeds are like the wreck of the top-heavy Mary Rose Elizabethan warship – the British rogue state can only stay intact if constantly watered with lies.
It’s rotten to the core and if it dries out will immediately fall apart.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 18 2023 4:15 utc | 213

jonBoinAR 100
Guardian opeds are like the wreck of the top-heavy Mary Rose Elizabethan warship – the British rogue state can only stay intact if constantly watered with lies.
It’s rotten to the core and if it dries out will immediately fall apart.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 18 2023 4:15 utc | 214

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 18 2023 3:47 utc | 105
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Oh if it were only true that apparent cracks in the MSM reporting might indicate proximity to a Kiev capitulation. But I fear it is not true. Soooo many tea leaf readers see big changes, little changes signs, indicators of an impending AFU demise. But I don’t yet. Still too many bellicose leaders backing Kiev till “the end of THEIR goals”. And remember, Putin and Lavrov have said they will not negotiate with puppet Zelensky, but only his masters. So until there’s a Pres-to-Pres summit, no ceasefire. And imo, that won’t be until it’s Trump-to-Putin, Nov 2024. I think even Biden knows and plans for that. Neither he nor Zelensky can possibly do a turnaround in the meantime.
Funnily, Biden and Z think they’ll be in a better bargaining position in 15 months. They think niggling and missiling the RF territory will tire Russian resolve. But evidence suggests that Russia will be in a more consolidated position to get its way.
So there’s many many more shells and bullets to be fired till Putin signs armistice with ANYONE.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 4:39 utc | 215

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Sep 18 2023 3:47 utc | 105
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Oh if it were only true that apparent cracks in the MSM reporting might indicate proximity to a Kiev capitulation. But I fear it is not true. Soooo many tea leaf readers see big changes, little changes signs, indicators of an impending AFU demise. But I don’t yet. Still too many bellicose leaders backing Kiev till “the end of THEIR goals”. And remember, Putin and Lavrov have said they will not negotiate with puppet Zelensky, but only his masters. So until there’s a Pres-to-Pres summit, no ceasefire. And imo, that won’t be until it’s Trump-to-Putin, Nov 2024. I think even Biden knows and plans for that. Neither he nor Zelensky can possibly do a turnaround in the meantime.
Funnily, Biden and Z think they’ll be in a better bargaining position in 15 months. They think niggling and missiling the RF territory will tire Russian resolve. But evidence suggests that Russia will be in a more consolidated position to get its way.
So there’s many many more shells and bullets to be fired till Putin signs armistice with ANYONE.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 4:39 utc | 216

As we know the Deep State appears to have factions, one camp wanting to keep the Ukraine war going as long as possible, and the other wanting to move the war to China. Even the neocons must realize by now the US cannot prosecute a war on multiple fronts. I would expect that whoever wins this internecine tussle will dictate how long the Ukraine war runs. Likewise expect China feels quite comfortable the longer it runs.

Posted by: Organic | Sep 18 2023 4:43 utc | 217

As we know the Deep State appears to have factions, one camp wanting to keep the Ukraine war going as long as possible, and the other wanting to move the war to China. Even the neocons must realize by now the US cannot prosecute a war on multiple fronts. I would expect that whoever wins this internecine tussle will dictate how long the Ukraine war runs. Likewise expect China feels quite comfortable the longer it runs.

Posted by: Organic | Sep 18 2023 4:43 utc | 218

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 18 2023 4:15 utc | 107
More typical tosh from the ChatGPT Giyane-meister. Tell us Great Clear One and Master of The Mixed Metaphor, why on earth do you think you need to tell people on this site that the Guardian is a propaganda rag? Answer: you don’t. You just needed a little trigger for yet another excuse to vent and proselytise the scum in your own mind.
Oh, and by the way, your old posts on the Craig Murray forum
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/forums/forum/discussion-forum/
where you laud ISIS has now exposed what you really are. Been to any good beheadings in Birmingham UK lately, Giyane? Why not stand as an MP on a platform of Sharia Law for Westminster.
Or still some seats left on the plane to Kabul.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 5:01 utc | 219

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 18 2023 4:15 utc | 107
More typical tosh from the ChatGPT Giyane-meister. Tell us Great Clear One and Master of The Mixed Metaphor, why on earth do you think you need to tell people on this site that the Guardian is a propaganda rag? Answer: you don’t. You just needed a little trigger for yet another excuse to vent and proselytise the scum in your own mind.
Oh, and by the way, your old posts on the Craig Murray forum
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/forums/forum/discussion-forum/
where you laud ISIS has now exposed what you really are. Been to any good beheadings in Birmingham UK lately, Giyane? Why not stand as an MP on a platform of Sharia Law for Westminster.
Or still some seats left on the plane to Kabul.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 5:01 utc | 220

Even this lunatic Budanov said the war will not end in a Ukraine parade in Moscow, and Ukraine is completely reliant on external players while Russia only relies on itself.
Translation: the message from Biden regime is they can no longer support Ukraine to the extent where it won’t start losing in a manner that is impossible to hide to the western audience even through the entire MSM Propaganda apparatus.
Also notice Finnish president starting to get really nervous looking and jumpy lately, and hysterical about nukes. Well, yeah, he is an idiot that massively screwed it for Finland by tying it to this rabid Nato, and subject to be sacrificed as a meatshield for British and American corporations.
So capitulation in sight..? Or neocons will double down post-Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2023 5:09 utc | 221

Even this lunatic Budanov said the war will not end in a Ukraine parade in Moscow, and Ukraine is completely reliant on external players while Russia only relies on itself.
Translation: the message from Biden regime is they can no longer support Ukraine to the extent where it won’t start losing in a manner that is impossible to hide to the western audience even through the entire MSM Propaganda apparatus.
Also notice Finnish president starting to get really nervous looking and jumpy lately, and hysterical about nukes. Well, yeah, he is an idiot that massively screwed it for Finland by tying it to this rabid Nato, and subject to be sacrificed as a meatshield for British and American corporations.
So capitulation in sight..? Or neocons will double down post-Ukraine.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2023 5:09 utc | 222

@DaVinci 2
Yes.
1. North Korea is probably the world’s most artillery-heavy army. It even has artillery tubes in shafts drilled into hillsides permanently pointed at Seoul. It has a correspondingly gigantic shell stock.
2. Frankly, nobody is going to invade North Korea, because North Korea is absolutely going to use its nuclear arsenal if they do.
3. Artillery ammunition has a limited shelf life. North Korean stocks are probably mostly decades old, 1990s vintage or earlier, and are reaching the end of their shelf life.
4. This Ukranazistan conflict is incredibly shell hungry. Except for nitwits like Martyanov, nobody believes even Russia has a bottomless supply of shells.
[i] Simplicius76 has repeatedly calculated the shell expenditures in the conflict, Russian shell manufacturing levels from official statements, and how much of a stock Russia has to build up to be able to launch big offensives (the answer is that it is unlikely before middle of next year at the earliest, from Russian current manufacturing figures plus projected expansion).
[ii] The main reason Russia reactivated the T 62 and T 55 tanks as direct fire artillery is to use up the huge stores of 115 mm and 100 mm shells, which only the T 62 and T 55 respectively can fire.
So it makes total sense for Russia to access the giant stockpile of old but still usable DPRK artillery ammunition, which might double its current shell stocks, and replace them with new manufacture. Both Putin and Kim should be happy with this.
…and this is the reason the Westernaganda is so obsessed with Kim’s visit and the arms deal.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 5:59 utc | 223

@DaVinci 2
Yes.
1. North Korea is probably the world’s most artillery-heavy army. It even has artillery tubes in shafts drilled into hillsides permanently pointed at Seoul. It has a correspondingly gigantic shell stock.
2. Frankly, nobody is going to invade North Korea, because North Korea is absolutely going to use its nuclear arsenal if they do.
3. Artillery ammunition has a limited shelf life. North Korean stocks are probably mostly decades old, 1990s vintage or earlier, and are reaching the end of their shelf life.
4. This Ukranazistan conflict is incredibly shell hungry. Except for nitwits like Martyanov, nobody believes even Russia has a bottomless supply of shells.
[i] Simplicius76 has repeatedly calculated the shell expenditures in the conflict, Russian shell manufacturing levels from official statements, and how much of a stock Russia has to build up to be able to launch big offensives (the answer is that it is unlikely before middle of next year at the earliest, from Russian current manufacturing figures plus projected expansion).
[ii] The main reason Russia reactivated the T 62 and T 55 tanks as direct fire artillery is to use up the huge stores of 115 mm and 100 mm shells, which only the T 62 and T 55 respectively can fire.
So it makes total sense for Russia to access the giant stockpile of old but still usable DPRK artillery ammunition, which might double its current shell stocks, and replace them with new manufacture. Both Putin and Kim should be happy with this.
…and this is the reason the Westernaganda is so obsessed with Kim’s visit and the arms deal.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 5:59 utc | 224

@unimperator 111:
Maybe the Kinzhal blow on Budanov’s head knocked a smidgen of sense into it?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 6:14 utc | 225

@unimperator 111:
Maybe the Kinzhal blow on Budanov’s head knocked a smidgen of sense into it?

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 6:14 utc | 226

Canada announces a 33$ million package for air defence. that doesn’t even cover the cost of a full load of missiles in it

Posted by: hankster | Sep 18 2023 6:35 utc | 227

Canada announces a 33$ million package for air defence. that doesn’t even cover the cost of a full load of missiles in it

Posted by: hankster | Sep 18 2023 6:35 utc | 228

@unimperator 111:
Maybe the Kinzhal blow on Budanov’s head knocked a smidgen of sense into it?
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 6:14 utc | 113

… that does seem possible to be honest …

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 18 2023 6:38 utc | 229

@unimperator 111:
Maybe the Kinzhal blow on Budanov’s head knocked a smidgen of sense into it?
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Sep 18 2023 6:14 utc | 113

… that does seem possible to be honest …

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 18 2023 6:38 utc | 230

This looks like it’s going to be a stand off war.
In this scenario Ukraine has longer range artillery and a larger supply of cruise missiles.
It’s surprising Gerans are used as a strategic weapon, my thoughts were that they would be produced in mass to cover the gap between artillery and missiles.

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Sep 18 2023 6:50 utc | 231

This looks like it’s going to be a stand off war.
In this scenario Ukraine has longer range artillery and a larger supply of cruise missiles.
It’s surprising Gerans are used as a strategic weapon, my thoughts were that they would be produced in mass to cover the gap between artillery and missiles.

Posted by: Johnycomelately | Sep 18 2023 6:50 utc | 232

According to our source, the main goal of Zelensky’s trip to the United States is to convince American politicians of support for Ukraine, not with words, but with money. The topic is about the allocation of $20.5 billion to Ukraine. Because of this, European loans worth €50 billion have also been frozen (the Europeans also don’t want to invest in Ukraine themselves, so that it doesn’t turn out like with tanks. When the Leopards are on fire and the Abrams have not arrived yet).
If he fails, then the whole trip was a failure. So Bankovaya is putting pressure on the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine so that they massively drive the infantry forward to achieve success during Ze’s trip to the USA, despite the losses.
The Office of the President is again pursuing political goals rather than strategic ones. With this approach, soon there will be no soldiers left, women and teenagers will have to be driven to zero.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16271

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:52 utc | 233

According to our source, the main goal of Zelensky’s trip to the United States is to convince American politicians of support for Ukraine, not with words, but with money. The topic is about the allocation of $20.5 billion to Ukraine. Because of this, European loans worth €50 billion have also been frozen (the Europeans also don’t want to invest in Ukraine themselves, so that it doesn’t turn out like with tanks. When the Leopards are on fire and the Abrams have not arrived yet).
If he fails, then the whole trip was a failure. So Bankovaya is putting pressure on the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine so that they massively drive the infantry forward to achieve success during Ze’s trip to the USA, despite the losses.
The Office of the President is again pursuing political goals rather than strategic ones. With this approach, soon there will be no soldiers left, women and teenagers will have to be driven to zero.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16271

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:52 utc | 234

Colleagues, Trump repeated what we wrote at the beginning of the war, when we pointed out that the Ukrainian people will lose everything during this conflict, the country will lose all industry and some territories (4 regions), will receive debt holes, devastation, crippled generations, a quiet split within the country for the coming decades, plus instability. Of course, the war lasted for years. And all for what? For the sake of Zelensky’s cover in Times magazine?
It would have been easier to implement the Minsk agreements, which Ze himself promised to implement and bring peace, but someone “convinced him” and, including in 2020, Bankovaya did everything to incite the war with renewed vigor.
Since 2014, Ukraine has only been losing territory, people, and industrial potential. This dynamic will continue for one simple reason: the West doesn’t really need all of Ukraine. Part of it is enough… the rest will be exchanged when the time comes.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16272

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:54 utc | 235

Colleagues, Trump repeated what we wrote at the beginning of the war, when we pointed out that the Ukrainian people will lose everything during this conflict, the country will lose all industry and some territories (4 regions), will receive debt holes, devastation, crippled generations, a quiet split within the country for the coming decades, plus instability. Of course, the war lasted for years. And all for what? For the sake of Zelensky’s cover in Times magazine?
It would have been easier to implement the Minsk agreements, which Ze himself promised to implement and bring peace, but someone “convinced him” and, including in 2020, Bankovaya did everything to incite the war with renewed vigor.
Since 2014, Ukraine has only been losing territory, people, and industrial potential. This dynamic will continue for one simple reason: the West doesn’t really need all of Ukraine. Part of it is enough… the rest will be exchanged when the time comes.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16272

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:54 utc | 236

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Military Expert Boris Rozhin on the SMO #Highlights in the Territory of the Former Ukraine by 23:41 Moscow Time for 17 September 2023⚡️
🔹1.#Zaporizhzhya Direction:
▪️ In the area of #Pyatikhatki – no changes.
▪️ In the #Rabotino area – also unchanged. The enemy is trying to strengthen the pressure on #Verbovoye at the expense of units transferred from other directions.
❗️In the coming days it is expected to continue attacks on #Verbovoye and in the direction of the heights between #Rabotino and #Verbovoye.
🔹2. Vremyevka Ledge:
▪️ The situation here is quite stable. There are no special movements at #Priyutnoye, #Staromayorskoye, #Urozhaynoye, #Novodonetskoye and #Novomayorskoye.
▪️ The enemy is regrouping to resume more intensive attacks.
🔹3. Artyomovsk:
▪️ Fighting continues on the #Kleshcheyevka – #Andreyevka-#Kurdyumovka line. The enemy controls part of #Andreyevka, as well as south and part of #Kleshcheyevka centre. Both sides are attacking and counterattacking in these areas.
▪️ #Kurdyumovka is under full control of the RF Armed Forces.
▪️ To the north of the city the situation is stable.
❗️Localised attacks from the #Seversk ledge cannot be ruled out.
🔹4. #Svatovo – #Kupyansk:
▪️ The RF Armed Forces continued to press on towards #Oskol west of #Svatovo and repelled attacks in the forest area west of #Kremennaya.
▪️ Today there have been no serious developments.
▪️ The situation near #Kupyansk has not undergone any radical changes either. The enemy has somewhat strengthened the front at the expense of transferred reserves.
▪️ Fighting continues near #Sinkovka and in the direction of #Petropavlovka and #Kislovka.

https://t.me/sitreports/15234

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:56 utc | 237

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ Military Expert Boris Rozhin on the SMO #Highlights in the Territory of the Former Ukraine by 23:41 Moscow Time for 17 September 2023⚡️
🔹1.#Zaporizhzhya Direction:
▪️ In the area of #Pyatikhatki – no changes.
▪️ In the #Rabotino area – also unchanged. The enemy is trying to strengthen the pressure on #Verbovoye at the expense of units transferred from other directions.
❗️In the coming days it is expected to continue attacks on #Verbovoye and in the direction of the heights between #Rabotino and #Verbovoye.
🔹2. Vremyevka Ledge:
▪️ The situation here is quite stable. There are no special movements at #Priyutnoye, #Staromayorskoye, #Urozhaynoye, #Novodonetskoye and #Novomayorskoye.
▪️ The enemy is regrouping to resume more intensive attacks.
🔹3. Artyomovsk:
▪️ Fighting continues on the #Kleshcheyevka – #Andreyevka-#Kurdyumovka line. The enemy controls part of #Andreyevka, as well as south and part of #Kleshcheyevka centre. Both sides are attacking and counterattacking in these areas.
▪️ #Kurdyumovka is under full control of the RF Armed Forces.
▪️ To the north of the city the situation is stable.
❗️Localised attacks from the #Seversk ledge cannot be ruled out.
🔹4. #Svatovo – #Kupyansk:
▪️ The RF Armed Forces continued to press on towards #Oskol west of #Svatovo and repelled attacks in the forest area west of #Kremennaya.
▪️ Today there have been no serious developments.
▪️ The situation near #Kupyansk has not undergone any radical changes either. The enemy has somewhat strengthened the front at the expense of transferred reserves.
▪️ Fighting continues near #Sinkovka and in the direction of #Petropavlovka and #Kislovka.

https://t.me/sitreports/15234

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:56 utc | 238

Apparently Gennady Laguta …

Former Head Of Ukrainian Kherson Region Committed Suicide
https://southfront.press/former-head-of-ukrainian-kherson-region-committed-suicide/
According to Mr Khlan, the former head of the Kherson region, who also led the local military administration, was driven to suicide by suspicion of surrendering the region to Russian forces.

“It was he who was accused of surrendering the Kherson region, although there is not a word in his duties about preparing for defense, such tasks did not apply at the time of the full-scale invasion and the leadership of the troops. But someone needs to be blamed for the loss of the South, right? Need to throw someone to the crowd? Well, they threw him,” the deputy wrote.

According to Khlan, Laguta was the only one of the representatives of the regional authorities who did not escape from the Kherson region, provided the removal of documents, evacuation of people etc.

“Do you know that no one in the Presidential Administration answered the calls three days before the invasion? They just ignored the calls of the head of the southern region. That’s at the same time when the region was lost … By the way, that is why there will never be an investigation of the first days of the war with these authorities (currently in power in Kiev). Because there will be so many unpleasant secrets discovered …”, — added Khlan.

On the other hand, some sources supposed that the former head of the Kherson region was killed because he knew too much about the early days of the Russian military operations in Ukraine. In February 2023, he also received suspicion from the SBU of fraud and forgery of documents.

Suicide or “suicide”? That I suppose is one question. However the question more intriguing for me is does it foreshadow how Zelensky will finally leave the scene?

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 18 2023 6:56 utc | 239

Apparently Gennady Laguta …

Former Head Of Ukrainian Kherson Region Committed Suicide
https://southfront.press/former-head-of-ukrainian-kherson-region-committed-suicide/
According to Mr Khlan, the former head of the Kherson region, who also led the local military administration, was driven to suicide by suspicion of surrendering the region to Russian forces.

“It was he who was accused of surrendering the Kherson region, although there is not a word in his duties about preparing for defense, such tasks did not apply at the time of the full-scale invasion and the leadership of the troops. But someone needs to be blamed for the loss of the South, right? Need to throw someone to the crowd? Well, they threw him,” the deputy wrote.

According to Khlan, Laguta was the only one of the representatives of the regional authorities who did not escape from the Kherson region, provided the removal of documents, evacuation of people etc.

“Do you know that no one in the Presidential Administration answered the calls three days before the invasion? They just ignored the calls of the head of the southern region. That’s at the same time when the region was lost … By the way, that is why there will never be an investigation of the first days of the war with these authorities (currently in power in Kiev). Because there will be so many unpleasant secrets discovered …”, — added Khlan.

On the other hand, some sources supposed that the former head of the Kherson region was killed because he knew too much about the early days of the Russian military operations in Ukraine. In February 2023, he also received suspicion from the SBU of fraud and forgery of documents.

Suicide or “suicide”? That I suppose is one question. However the question more intriguing for me is does it foreshadow how Zelensky will finally leave the scene?

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Sep 18 2023 6:56 utc | 240

The reason america didn’t give ukraine everything it needs right away and instead drip feeding it is to prevent a fast Russian loss, and instead slowly bleed them dry. That keeps Putin in power while still badly damaging the Russian military which will weaken their global influence

Posted by: Link | Sep 18 2023 7:00 utc | 241

The reason america didn’t give ukraine everything it needs right away and instead drip feeding it is to prevent a fast Russian loss, and instead slowly bleed them dry. That keeps Putin in power while still badly damaging the Russian military which will weaken their global influence

Posted by: Link | Sep 18 2023 7:00 utc | 242

Nevertheless, from an overall view of the front, the front has not changed significantly and the goal of reaching not the Sea of Azov but one of the main locations on the front, Tokmak, seems to be getting further and further away as the weeks go by.
Even on the eastern front, where the Ukrainian army has managed to recapture two towns south of Bakhmut, very important for a future operation to recapture the city, the situation is no better. It has taken the Ukrainian forces three months to take 41 square kilometres at the cost of heavy casualties. Recall that it took the Wagner forces nine weeks to take both locations.
Obviously the greater or lesser speed is not intended to demonstrate effectiveness, but rather to show the resistance that in both cases has been experienced on this front since the end of last year, one of the most deadly in the conflict.
The heavy attrition suffered by the Ukrainian side makes it clear that it was impossible to achieve the objectives of this summer counteroffensive. While it cannot yet be said that the Ukrainian army has lost its offensive capabilities, it lacks sufficient resources to keep up the pace of combat for several more months, which would be necessary to break through the Russian defence lines.
The small gap achieved by the Ukrainian troops on the Orekhiv front has not led to a collapse of the Russian forces as expected, but the Russian resistance remains unchanged.
It was already mentioned before, but it is necessary to remember that the defenses built during so many months in the southern flank (and that even today are still being built.) had been prepared expressly to stop an offensive of these characteristics, in fact between the main lines of defense there are multiple trenches and defensive lines that make a complex system that cannot be overcome so easily.
This palliates the inferiority of Russian troops in these fronts that on the other hand are reinforced with an artillery superiority, making that each locality is defended at the cost of a full destruction, which makes that the Robotino scenario is going to be reproduced again with each locality that the Ukrainian command proposes to recover.

https://t.me/geromanat/10130

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:00 utc | 243

Nevertheless, from an overall view of the front, the front has not changed significantly and the goal of reaching not the Sea of Azov but one of the main locations on the front, Tokmak, seems to be getting further and further away as the weeks go by.
Even on the eastern front, where the Ukrainian army has managed to recapture two towns south of Bakhmut, very important for a future operation to recapture the city, the situation is no better. It has taken the Ukrainian forces three months to take 41 square kilometres at the cost of heavy casualties. Recall that it took the Wagner forces nine weeks to take both locations.
Obviously the greater or lesser speed is not intended to demonstrate effectiveness, but rather to show the resistance that in both cases has been experienced on this front since the end of last year, one of the most deadly in the conflict.
The heavy attrition suffered by the Ukrainian side makes it clear that it was impossible to achieve the objectives of this summer counteroffensive. While it cannot yet be said that the Ukrainian army has lost its offensive capabilities, it lacks sufficient resources to keep up the pace of combat for several more months, which would be necessary to break through the Russian defence lines.
The small gap achieved by the Ukrainian troops on the Orekhiv front has not led to a collapse of the Russian forces as expected, but the Russian resistance remains unchanged.
It was already mentioned before, but it is necessary to remember that the defenses built during so many months in the southern flank (and that even today are still being built.) had been prepared expressly to stop an offensive of these characteristics, in fact between the main lines of defense there are multiple trenches and defensive lines that make a complex system that cannot be overcome so easily.
This palliates the inferiority of Russian troops in these fronts that on the other hand are reinforced with an artillery superiority, making that each locality is defended at the cost of a full destruction, which makes that the Robotino scenario is going to be reproduced again with each locality that the Ukrainian command proposes to recover.

https://t.me/geromanat/10130

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:00 utc | 244

Above is part 2. Below is Part 1

The forecast for the remainder of the fourth month of the offensive remains the same: the Ukrainian army will continue to wear down, making some advances on the southern and Bakhmut fronts, but without achieving the Russian collapse as happened a year ago in Kherson and Kharkov.
On the other hand, the Russian army will remain on the defensive for some more time: part of the mobilized troops will continue to gain experience in rearguard training, while rotations will take place from time to time to avoid attrition of the troops at the front.
In fact, the Wagner group is expected to return to the Ukrainian fronts, although no longer as the private military company that we knew, but with little autonomy and closely linked to the army, but with soldiers with great combat experience that will allow them to face the Ukrainian attacks.

https://t.me/geromanat/10131

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:02 utc | 245

Above is part 2. Below is Part 1

The forecast for the remainder of the fourth month of the offensive remains the same: the Ukrainian army will continue to wear down, making some advances on the southern and Bakhmut fronts, but without achieving the Russian collapse as happened a year ago in Kherson and Kharkov.
On the other hand, the Russian army will remain on the defensive for some more time: part of the mobilized troops will continue to gain experience in rearguard training, while rotations will take place from time to time to avoid attrition of the troops at the front.
In fact, the Wagner group is expected to return to the Ukrainian fronts, although no longer as the private military company that we knew, but with little autonomy and closely linked to the army, but with soldiers with great combat experience that will allow them to face the Ukrainian attacks.

https://t.me/geromanat/10131

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:02 utc | 246

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:54 utc | 118
To the Waste dead Ukies are as good as dead Russians.
They all the same … Russians after all.
Arent they?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 18 2023 7:31 utc | 247

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 6:54 utc | 118
To the Waste dead Ukies are as good as dead Russians.
They all the same … Russians after all.
Arent they?

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Sep 18 2023 7:31 utc | 248

Ukronazis continue with their artillery & drones terror against civilians.
Chessmaster is so much taking care of his small brothers nazi civilians that someone must ask:
How many ukronazis civilians ve been killed since begining of SMO by russian army in comparison compared to Russian civilians on russian territory plus new rusdian oblasts?
Rybar today
▪️At the same time, Ukrainian units continued to strike at the settlements of Kursk region.
As a result of the shelling, a man was killed in Plekhovo, and three civilians were wounded
▪️Ukrainian units do not stop the artillery terror of the settlements of Donetsk agglomeration.
A market in Svitlodars’k came under massive fire from the HIMARS MLRS: seven civilians were killed.
#digest #Russia #Ukraine #video
@rybar

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 18 2023 7:32 utc | 249

Ukronazis continue with their artillery & drones terror against civilians.
Chessmaster is so much taking care of his small brothers nazi civilians that someone must ask:
How many ukronazis civilians ve been killed since begining of SMO by russian army in comparison compared to Russian civilians on russian territory plus new rusdian oblasts?
Rybar today
▪️At the same time, Ukrainian units continued to strike at the settlements of Kursk region.
As a result of the shelling, a man was killed in Plekhovo, and three civilians were wounded
▪️Ukrainian units do not stop the artillery terror of the settlements of Donetsk agglomeration.
A market in Svitlodars’k came under massive fire from the HIMARS MLRS: seven civilians were killed.
#digest #Russia #Ukraine #video
@rybar

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 18 2023 7:32 utc | 250

Very much to the point:

Putin does not regard NATO as a security threat to the Russian Federation. Russian dislike of NATO enlargement is real enough, but it has nothing to do with legitimate national security concerns. Instead, Putin objects to NATO because it prevents him from bullying Russia’s neighbours.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/24/russias-aggression-against-ukraine-leaves-no-room-for-negotiations

Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:37 utc | 251

Very much to the point:

Putin does not regard NATO as a security threat to the Russian Federation. Russian dislike of NATO enlargement is real enough, but it has nothing to do with legitimate national security concerns. Instead, Putin objects to NATO because it prevents him from bullying Russia’s neighbours.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/24/russias-aggression-against-ukraine-leaves-no-room-for-negotiations

Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:37 utc | 252

Very much to the point:

Putin does not regard NATO as a security threat to the Russian Federation. Russian dislike of NATO enlargement is real enough, but it has nothing to do with legitimate national security concerns. Instead, Putin objects to NATO because it prevents him from bullying Russia’s neighbours.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/24/russias-aggression-against-ukraine-leaves-no-room-for-negotiations

Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:37 utc | 253

Very much to the point:

Putin does not regard NATO as a security threat to the Russian Federation. Russian dislike of NATO enlargement is real enough, but it has nothing to do with legitimate national security concerns. Instead, Putin objects to NATO because it prevents him from bullying Russia’s neighbours.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/24/russias-aggression-against-ukraine-leaves-no-room-for-negotiations

Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:37 utc | 254

Even this lunatic Budanov said the war will not end in a Ukraine parade in Moscow, and Ukraine is completely reliant on external players while Russia only relies on itself.
So capitulation in sight..? Or neocons will double down post-Ukraine.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2023 5:09 utc | 111
You misquote that retard. He said Russia will never surrender by choice and that they’ll never be in Kiev the same way Ukr won’t parade in Moscow.
The plan is to triple down, it’s working too well to stop. Next step is for Schlitz to send Taurus, he wants to be the first to attack as it was with tanks, then they’ll find something else to send until they prepare 100-200 f16 kamikaze. Russia isn’t advancing anyway, there’s no need for anything quick. Probably those will come next year, could be during elections in Russia. And they have not directly involved troops from Poland, Romania and Bulgaria yet, nato wants the entire Black Sea Ukr area so they can shoot at Crimea. Why do you think the “great drone danger” appeared at the same time in both Romania and Bulgaria? Because some screws allegedly fell on the border? But when Ukr mines were exploding on their beach it was ok. nato saw they can easily hit ships in Black Sea or targets in Crimea with just a few drones and missiles, now they want more.

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 7:46 utc | 255

Even this lunatic Budanov said the war will not end in a Ukraine parade in Moscow, and Ukraine is completely reliant on external players while Russia only relies on itself.
So capitulation in sight..? Or neocons will double down post-Ukraine.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2023 5:09 utc | 111
You misquote that retard. He said Russia will never surrender by choice and that they’ll never be in Kiev the same way Ukr won’t parade in Moscow.
The plan is to triple down, it’s working too well to stop. Next step is for Schlitz to send Taurus, he wants to be the first to attack as it was with tanks, then they’ll find something else to send until they prepare 100-200 f16 kamikaze. Russia isn’t advancing anyway, there’s no need for anything quick. Probably those will come next year, could be during elections in Russia. And they have not directly involved troops from Poland, Romania and Bulgaria yet, nato wants the entire Black Sea Ukr area so they can shoot at Crimea. Why do you think the “great drone danger” appeared at the same time in both Romania and Bulgaria? Because some screws allegedly fell on the border? But when Ukr mines were exploding on their beach it was ok. nato saw they can easily hit ships in Black Sea or targets in Crimea with just a few drones and missiles, now they want more.

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 7:46 utc | 256

At this point, liberals who don’t see this war for what it truly is, that being a proxy war designed to cripple one of the USA’s biggest enemies while further funding the military industrial complex, are either obtuse or just simply don’t care. This was never a morality issue for the USA, we’re not in Ukraine to “save democracy” but simply to fuck over Russia and we truly don’t care whose dead bodies we trample over to get our ways. What the USA facilitated in Pakistan is absolutely a travesty; Imran Khan is one of the first politicians that inspired hope and change in Pakistani citizens and the USA essentially encouraged/funded a coupe in the country because a leader dared to put his countries interests over US/Nato Imperialism. Essentially sacrificed Pakistani citizens civil liberties and their democracy to “save Ukraine” in a war that Ukraine will not win.

Posted by: Illustrious Trip | Sep 18 2023 7:49 utc | 257

At this point, liberals who don’t see this war for what it truly is, that being a proxy war designed to cripple one of the USA’s biggest enemies while further funding the military industrial complex, are either obtuse or just simply don’t care. This was never a morality issue for the USA, we’re not in Ukraine to “save democracy” but simply to fuck over Russia and we truly don’t care whose dead bodies we trample over to get our ways. What the USA facilitated in Pakistan is absolutely a travesty; Imran Khan is one of the first politicians that inspired hope and change in Pakistani citizens and the USA essentially encouraged/funded a coupe in the country because a leader dared to put his countries interests over US/Nato Imperialism. Essentially sacrificed Pakistani citizens civil liberties and their democracy to “save Ukraine” in a war that Ukraine will not win.

Posted by: Illustrious Trip | Sep 18 2023 7:49 utc | 258

Seems like the era of “sanctions are only helping our economy” pipe dream are coming to an end…

The Central Bank of Russia raised its key lending rate by one percentage point to 13% on Friday, a month after imposing an even larger hike. Concerns about inflation persist and the ruble continues to struggle against the dollar. In August the bank increased the lending rate to 12% — a jump of 3.5 percentage points — as the ruble fell to 100 against the greenback.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/15/russia-raises-interest-rate-to-13-as-economy-struggles

Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:52 utc | 259

Seems like the era of “sanctions are only helping our economy” pipe dream are coming to an end…

The Central Bank of Russia raised its key lending rate by one percentage point to 13% on Friday, a month after imposing an even larger hike. Concerns about inflation persist and the ruble continues to struggle against the dollar. In August the bank increased the lending rate to 12% — a jump of 3.5 percentage points — as the ruble fell to 100 against the greenback.

https://www.euronews.com/2023/09/15/russia-raises-interest-rate-to-13-as-economy-struggles

Posted by: Summer67 | Sep 18 2023 7:52 utc | 260

I wonder if Russian elites are aware about the western bloc using the ‘boiling frog’ strategy on Russia.

Posted by: Kysai | Sep 18 2023 7:55 utc | 261

I wonder if Russian elites are aware about the western bloc using the ‘boiling frog’ strategy on Russia.

Posted by: Kysai | Sep 18 2023 7:55 utc | 262

@rk #128
They might as well use F-35s.
https://wpde.com/news/local/officials-mishap-involving-f-35-occurs-near-north-charleston-pilot-hospitalized-after-ejecting#

Anyone with information on the F-35’s whereabouts is asked to contact the Base Defense Operations Center at 843-963-3600.

Posted by: Goingo | Sep 18 2023 7:57 utc | 263

@rk #128
They might as well use F-35s.
https://wpde.com/news/local/officials-mishap-involving-f-35-occurs-near-north-charleston-pilot-hospitalized-after-ejecting#

Anyone with information on the F-35’s whereabouts is asked to contact the Base Defense Operations Center at 843-963-3600.

Posted by: Goingo | Sep 18 2023 7:57 utc | 264

Goingo | Sep 18 2023 7:57 utc | 132
You don’t understand. It’s a stealth invisible plane!!

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 8:01 utc | 265

Goingo | Sep 18 2023 7:57 utc | 132
You don’t understand. It’s a stealth invisible plane!!

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 8:01 utc | 266

Our source reports that a closed sociological survey was conducted among Ukrainians who left the country.
70% of Ukrainians who left Ukraine will not vote for the current government and Zelensky.
77% consider Zelensky guilty of illegal mobilization.
80% consider him guilty of corruption in Ukraine.
Conclusion: Zelensky/Ermak and the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry have completely failed to work with diasporas and Ukrainian refugees.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16273

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:04 utc | 267

Our source reports that a closed sociological survey was conducted among Ukrainians who left the country.
70% of Ukrainians who left Ukraine will not vote for the current government and Zelensky.
77% consider Zelensky guilty of illegal mobilization.
80% consider him guilty of corruption in Ukraine.
Conclusion: Zelensky/Ermak and the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry have completely failed to work with diasporas and Ukrainian refugees.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16273

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:04 utc | 268

The Office of the President is actively working on new political projects; Akhmetov provides funding for the political projects of Arestovich and Usik.
Arestovich’s party must crush the electorate of the South-East, and Usik must go against Klitschko, the calculation is very accurate and will help Ermak form a parliamentary majority in the new Rada.
Several volunteers and military personnel are preparing against Pritula, who are supposed to enter the Soros electoral field.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19627

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:07 utc | 269

The Office of the President is actively working on new political projects; Akhmetov provides funding for the political projects of Arestovich and Usik.
Arestovich’s party must crush the electorate of the South-East, and Usik must go against Klitschko, the calculation is very accurate and will help Ermak form a parliamentary majority in the new Rada.
Several volunteers and military personnel are preparing against Pritula, who are supposed to enter the Soros electoral field.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19627

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:07 utc | 270

Zelensky will face serious rebuff at the UN General Assembly if he continues to avoid a diplomatic solution to the Ukrainian conflict
The armed confrontation between Kyiv and Moscow will likely again take center stage at the upcoming UN General Assembly. But excessive attention to this issue could cause outrage among the countries of the global south, writes The Guardian.
Moreover, according to experts, the existing split in the organization between the West and developing countries threatens to worsen after the planned speech by the Ukrainian president. Especially if he seeks to continue the conflict.
“We should not underestimate the element of risk. If Zelensky comes to the General Assembly and the Security Council and insists that Ukraine must continue to fight and that now is not the time for diplomacy, then I think he will receive serious rebuff,” predicts Richard Gowan, director of the UN International Crisis Group.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19703

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:10 utc | 271

Zelensky will face serious rebuff at the UN General Assembly if he continues to avoid a diplomatic solution to the Ukrainian conflict
The armed confrontation between Kyiv and Moscow will likely again take center stage at the upcoming UN General Assembly. But excessive attention to this issue could cause outrage among the countries of the global south, writes The Guardian.
Moreover, according to experts, the existing split in the organization between the West and developing countries threatens to worsen after the planned speech by the Ukrainian president. Especially if he seeks to continue the conflict.
“We should not underestimate the element of risk. If Zelensky comes to the General Assembly and the Security Council and insists that Ukraine must continue to fight and that now is not the time for diplomacy, then I think he will receive serious rebuff,” predicts Richard Gowan, director of the UN International Crisis Group.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19703

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:10 utc | 272

Our source in the OP said that there will be no Just Mobilization in Ukraine, deputies/officials/prosecutors/judges will not go to the front.
On Bankova they decided not to touch the system of power in order to maintain control over the vertical power structure, while increasing mobilization in rural areas and small towns.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19704

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:47 utc | 273

Our source in the OP said that there will be no Just Mobilization in Ukraine, deputies/officials/prosecutors/judges will not go to the front.
On Bankova they decided not to touch the system of power in order to maintain control over the vertical power structure, while increasing mobilization in rural areas and small towns.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/19704

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 8:47 utc | 274

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2023 5:09 utc | 111
Also notice Finnish president starting to get really nervous looking and jumpy lately, and hysterical about nukes. Well, yeah, he is an idiot that massively screwed it for Finland by tying it to this rabid Nato, and subject to be sacrificed as a meatshield for British and American corporations.

Interesting! If you or anyone else (Petri?) has more data on that, or a link: please share!
Ms. Marin cleverly left that ship and hired somewhere else. She is now on board of prolific peace purveyor Blair’s foundation.
I wonder if ordinary Finns are (still?) thinking the NATO move made their lives safer or better.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 8:55 utc | 275

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 18 2023 5:09 utc | 111
Also notice Finnish president starting to get really nervous looking and jumpy lately, and hysterical about nukes. Well, yeah, he is an idiot that massively screwed it for Finland by tying it to this rabid Nato, and subject to be sacrificed as a meatshield for British and American corporations.

Interesting! If you or anyone else (Petri?) has more data on that, or a link: please share!
Ms. Marin cleverly left that ship and hired somewhere else. She is now on board of prolific peace purveyor Blair’s foundation.
I wonder if ordinary Finns are (still?) thinking the NATO move made their lives safer or better.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 8:55 utc | 276

I trust Dima. He is short he presents what is actually happening, he is not to wide as Mercouris, he is not to simple as Scot Ritter.
Well, sometimes I am confused by Dima, as one day Ukrainians are terribly (critically) defeated, the other day they advance. I am not paid by Dima.
When the war started I was reading many analysts per day (teh above mentioned + Gonsalo Lira.
But now I trust only Dima.

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 18 2023 8:57 utc | 277

I trust Dima. He is short he presents what is actually happening, he is not to wide as Mercouris, he is not to simple as Scot Ritter.
Well, sometimes I am confused by Dima, as one day Ukrainians are terribly (critically) defeated, the other day they advance. I am not paid by Dima.
When the war started I was reading many analysts per day (teh above mentioned + Gonsalo Lira.
But now I trust only Dima.

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 18 2023 8:57 utc | 278

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 8:01 utc | 133
You´re right. THE perfect plane for the ghost of Kiev.

Posted by: Goingo | Sep 18 2023 8:59 utc | 279

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 8:01 utc | 133
You´re right. THE perfect plane for the ghost of Kiev.

Posted by: Goingo | Sep 18 2023 8:59 utc | 280

james | Sep 17 2023 20:18 utc | 51, who posted indian punchline from today.. worth the read..
‘Biden’s phase’ of Ukraine war is beginning

Thanks for that. Appreciated the video at the end of the article as well.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 18 2023 9:01 utc | 281

james | Sep 17 2023 20:18 utc | 51, who posted indian punchline from today.. worth the read..
‘Biden’s phase’ of Ukraine war is beginning

Thanks for that. Appreciated the video at the end of the article as well.

Posted by: Lantern Dude | Sep 18 2023 9:01 utc | 282

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 18 2023 8:57 utc | 139
Simpleton, you can go and write this fangirlish drivel on his youtube channel, and while you’re at it throw him your panties as well.

Posted by: Boo | Sep 18 2023 9:07 utc | 283

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 18 2023 8:57 utc | 139
Simpleton, you can go and write this fangirlish drivel on his youtube channel, and while you’re at it throw him your panties as well.

Posted by: Boo | Sep 18 2023 9:07 utc | 284

If you or anyone else (Petri?) has more data on that, or a link: please share!
I wonder if ordinary Finns are (still?) thinking the NATO move made their lives safer or better.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 8:55 utc | 138
It’s on Sputnik “I don’t mean any great friendship, but the capability to tolerate, even understand each other a bit,” Niinisto said in an interview, adding that trust will be needed after the end of the Ukraine conflict to ensure that “a new war is not waiting behind the door.” Speaking about the risks of a nuclear war, Niinisto said that countries supplying weapons to Ukraine need to take into account the possible escalation of the conflict into “a big war, that’s world war.”
Of course, while saying that, their total gifts are around $1.5bn, they promised to move a weapon factory to Ukr and nato drones are flying over Finland. So what the retard president says, exactly like the Budanov retard, is purely for his own media, there is no going back.

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:13 utc | 285

If you or anyone else (Petri?) has more data on that, or a link: please share!
I wonder if ordinary Finns are (still?) thinking the NATO move made their lives safer or better.
Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 8:55 utc | 138
It’s on Sputnik “I don’t mean any great friendship, but the capability to tolerate, even understand each other a bit,” Niinisto said in an interview, adding that trust will be needed after the end of the Ukraine conflict to ensure that “a new war is not waiting behind the door.” Speaking about the risks of a nuclear war, Niinisto said that countries supplying weapons to Ukraine need to take into account the possible escalation of the conflict into “a big war, that’s world war.”
Of course, while saying that, their total gifts are around $1.5bn, they promised to move a weapon factory to Ukr and nato drones are flying over Finland. So what the retard president says, exactly like the Budanov retard, is purely for his own media, there is no going back.

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:13 utc | 286

Loud(y)
“Can you please sit the fuck down
Protesting in your paper crown
You love to feel offended
Fighting from computer trenches
You got a semi-automatic mouth
Go easy now
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud”
“Can you please turn yourself down
Ritalin kids doing cocaine wipe outs
No need to feel offended
Born to a time when the quiet ended
You got a semi-automatic mouth
Go easy now
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud”
– Lewis Del Mar

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 18 2023 9:18 utc | 287

Loud(y)
“Can you please sit the fuck down
Protesting in your paper crown
You love to feel offended
Fighting from computer trenches
You got a semi-automatic mouth
Go easy now
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud”
“Can you please turn yourself down
Ritalin kids doing cocaine wipe outs
No need to feel offended
Born to a time when the quiet ended
You got a semi-automatic mouth
Go easy now
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud
And you’re so loud”
– Lewis Del Mar

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 18 2023 9:18 utc | 288

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:02 utc | 123 “without achieving the Russian collapse as happened a year ago in Kherson and Kharkov”
Kherson was a “collapse”?

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 9:24 utc | 289

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 7:02 utc | 123 “without achieving the Russian collapse as happened a year ago in Kherson and Kharkov”
Kherson was a “collapse”?

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 9:24 utc | 290

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:13 utc | 143

Thank you!
Finns are paying for the decisions of their leadership with sinking standard of living (for example paper mills and Finnair suffered) but that’s the same for e.g. Germans or Britons. It’s entirely possible most of them think this is unavoidable or necessary or even good.
What a pity: Finnland got so much out of their special position during the last Cold War.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 9:38 utc | 291

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:13 utc | 143

Thank you!
Finns are paying for the decisions of their leadership with sinking standard of living (for example paper mills and Finnair suffered) but that’s the same for e.g. Germans or Britons. It’s entirely possible most of them think this is unavoidable or necessary or even good.
What a pity: Finnland got so much out of their special position during the last Cold War.

Posted by: Konami | Sep 18 2023 9:38 utc | 292

Even Musk has already noted that the result of the Ukrainian offensive is so small, and the price is so high, that it is an unprofitable investment.
Only the Biden administration is trying to convince everyone that everything is going well and more money and weapons need to be allocated.
The entire offensive operation in the south of the country turned into an Azov massacre with heavy losses.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16274

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 9:45 utc | 293

Even Musk has already noted that the result of the Ukrainian offensive is so small, and the price is so high, that it is an unprofitable investment.
Only the Biden administration is trying to convince everyone that everything is going well and more money and weapons need to be allocated.
The entire offensive operation in the south of the country turned into an Azov massacre with heavy losses.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16274

Posted by: Down South | Sep 18 2023 9:45 utc | 294

Funny update on Romanian invented drone telenovela. Bulgaria say they they’ve discovered a Ukr drone:
“The wreckage of a Ukrainian UAV to which an 82-mm mine was attached has been found on Bulgaria’s Black Sea coast, the Bulgarian Defence Ministry has said. The event took place near the village of Tyulenovo, located 30 km from the Romanian border. Navy specialists were sent there to study the device and dispose of it.”

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:51 utc | 295

Funny update on Romanian invented drone telenovela. Bulgaria say they they’ve discovered a Ukr drone:
“The wreckage of a Ukrainian UAV to which an 82-mm mine was attached has been found on Bulgaria’s Black Sea coast, the Bulgarian Defence Ministry has said. The event took place near the village of Tyulenovo, located 30 km from the Romanian border. Navy specialists were sent there to study the device and dispose of it.”

Posted by: rk | Sep 18 2023 9:51 utc | 296

Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 18 2023 9:45 utc | 149 “unaudited Pentagon budget”
The Pentagon’s budget & inventory is audited. It’s just that the Pentagon has never “passed” an audit.
“Only seven of the 27 entities that make up the Department of Defense received a clean bill of financial health, representing 39% of the department’s $7 trillion in assets.”
“In 2019, the Pentagon audit process itself cost $428 million to conduct and another $472 million to fix problems the audit uncovered.”
https://blog.ucsusa.org/jknox/defense-spending-reaches-record-high-as-pentagon-fails-its-audit-for-fifth-time/

Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 18 2023 9:53 utc | 297

Posted by: ZimZum | Sep 18 2023 9:45 utc | 149 “unaudited Pentagon budget”
The Pentagon’s budget & inventory is audited. It’s just that the Pentagon has never “passed” an audit.
“Only seven of the 27 entities that make up the Department of Defense received a clean bill of financial health, representing 39% of the department’s $7 trillion in assets.”
“In 2019, the Pentagon audit process itself cost $428 million to conduct and another $472 million to fix problems the audit uncovered.”
https://blog.ucsusa.org/jknox/defense-spending-reaches-record-high-as-pentagon-fails-its-audit-for-fifth-time/

Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 18 2023 9:53 utc | 298

The finns may say one thing, but they are now in it. There is no going back.
All those leaders we have in the eu are a bunch of narcisists. They cant go back, or sue for peace, or do anything that would make them lose face. Admitting they are in the wrong will never happen.
Ukrainian lives are the price they are willing to pay. They know that russia most likely wont do anything to them wheter they win or lose.
Thats why its all just empty words. The meatgtinder continiues, while the us,uk,nato and eu try to get anyone in the rest of the world to do their biddings. Like this diamond ban, or rather to set up regulations so that they can brand whats good and whats bad. They wont stop until they have their dirty paws and one foot in everyones business, no matter if diamonds, arms, or agriculture.
Like in pakistan. Sell your weapons to “ukraine“ (but only that part of ukraine we allow), and you get that imf loan money whatever.
Mafia.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 18 2023 9:58 utc | 299

The finns may say one thing, but they are now in it. There is no going back.
All those leaders we have in the eu are a bunch of narcisists. They cant go back, or sue for peace, or do anything that would make them lose face. Admitting they are in the wrong will never happen.
Ukrainian lives are the price they are willing to pay. They know that russia most likely wont do anything to them wheter they win or lose.
Thats why its all just empty words. The meatgtinder continiues, while the us,uk,nato and eu try to get anyone in the rest of the world to do their biddings. Like this diamond ban, or rather to set up regulations so that they can brand whats good and whats bad. They wont stop until they have their dirty paws and one foot in everyones business, no matter if diamonds, arms, or agriculture.
Like in pakistan. Sell your weapons to “ukraine“ (but only that part of ukraine we allow), and you get that imf loan money whatever.
Mafia.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Sep 18 2023 9:58 utc | 300