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September 17, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-219

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indian punchline from today.. worth the read..
‘Biden’s phase’ of Ukraine war is beginning

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 20:18 utc | 101

indian punchline from today.. worth the read..
‘Biden’s phase’ of Ukraine war is beginning

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 20:18 utc | 102

Video of random mobilization event in Lwow.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/7186
And Odessa people got caught trying to flee the country.

A group of men from the Odessa region, who tried to escape abroad, was forced to listen to the Ukrainian anthem and a sermon by a priest after being captured.
After that they were sent to the military registration and enlistment office.
Among the recruits are 18 Ukrainians of military age. They paid 5 thousand dollars each to get to Moldova.
https://twitter.com/mazzenilsson/status/1703492667059933606

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 20:20 utc | 103

Video of random mobilization event in Lwow.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/7186
And Odessa people got caught trying to flee the country.

A group of men from the Odessa region, who tried to escape abroad, was forced to listen to the Ukrainian anthem and a sermon by a priest after being captured.
After that they were sent to the military registration and enlistment office.
Among the recruits are 18 Ukrainians of military age. They paid 5 thousand dollars each to get to Moldova.
https://twitter.com/mazzenilsson/status/1703492667059933606

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 20:20 utc | 104

@ simplex | Sep 17 2023 20:17 utc | 50
dip into the generous well that the poster down south provides..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 20:21 utc | 105

@ simplex | Sep 17 2023 20:17 utc | 50
dip into the generous well that the poster down south provides..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 20:21 utc | 106

Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 17 2023 15:01 utc | 5
the game is much bigger. Bigger is the wrong term, dirtier is much more better.
And if we do not use the terms of Lenin and from the OKW (Ukraine/borderland), we see a war between Malorussia (Little Russia) and Great Russia organize by Galazian.
* the king (government) from Ukrain (Malorussia/Little Russia – with Galizia) rules without problems
* the resources of Ukrain (Malorussia/Little Russia- with Galizia) are secured by the West.
* the army is renewed every few weeks with malo russian
* The Western population pays for this game with higher prices
As long as these conditions work russian solders will kill russian solders and Galizian will organize all this, and the overweight kremel assistent will talk about redlines

Posted by: theo | Sep 17 2023 20:30 utc | 107

Posted by: JessDTruth | Sep 17 2023 15:01 utc | 5
the game is much bigger. Bigger is the wrong term, dirtier is much more better.
And if we do not use the terms of Lenin and from the OKW (Ukraine/borderland), we see a war between Malorussia (Little Russia) and Great Russia organize by Galazian.
* the king (government) from Ukrain (Malorussia/Little Russia – with Galizia) rules without problems
* the resources of Ukrain (Malorussia/Little Russia- with Galizia) are secured by the West.
* the army is renewed every few weeks with malo russian
* The Western population pays for this game with higher prices
As long as these conditions work russian solders will kill russian solders and Galizian will organize all this, and the overweight kremel assistent will talk about redlines

Posted by: theo | Sep 17 2023 20:30 utc | 108

@ simplex | Sep 17 2023 20:17 utc | 50
dip into the generous well that the poster down south provides..
Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 20:21 utc | 53

thanks, very informative.
But still, so many sources talking about huge Ukro losses, but that seems to made no effect.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 17 2023 20:33 utc | 109

@ simplex | Sep 17 2023 20:17 utc | 50
dip into the generous well that the poster down south provides..
Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 20:21 utc | 53

thanks, very informative.
But still, so many sources talking about huge Ukro losses, but that seems to made no effect.

Posted by: simplex | Sep 17 2023 20:33 utc | 110

Dima says: “Klishchiivka and Andriivka Have Fallen”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCC13pQmFRk
What is the meaning of that?
Is it possible that Russia has problem with available soldiers?
Posted by: simplex | Sep 17 2023 20:17 utc | 50

It means several things :
1) the Ukrainian army is quite far from the ragtag band of 50-year old press-ganged into service described by Zanon. I mean, quite obviously they do have combat-ready, motivated formations, with enough morale to attack
2) the Ukies do have competent artillerymen and are probably gaining the upper hand against the Russians. This war has been an artillery war. If the Ukrainians are advancing, by deduction it means they are able to push Russian artillery back.
3) the Ukrainian army has not been completely decimated by the counteroffensive. They do still have combat-ready formations.
4) In fact, they have enough formations to be able to push the Russians both in Zaporozhie and around Bakhmut, while holding off the Russians in Kupyansk, as well as Maryinka, Avdeevka, Ugledar… We’re quite far from the collapse which was supposed to happen around March 2022.
Of course, faced with these unpleasant truths, many posters here will choose to trust the Plan and believe the Russians are toying with the Ukies, all available evidence on the ground notwithstanding.

Posted by: Micron | Sep 17 2023 20:44 utc | 111

Dima says: “Klishchiivka and Andriivka Have Fallen”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCC13pQmFRk
What is the meaning of that?
Is it possible that Russia has problem with available soldiers?
Posted by: simplex | Sep 17 2023 20:17 utc | 50

It means several things :
1) the Ukrainian army is quite far from the ragtag band of 50-year old press-ganged into service described by Zanon. I mean, quite obviously they do have combat-ready, motivated formations, with enough morale to attack
2) the Ukies do have competent artillerymen and are probably gaining the upper hand against the Russians. This war has been an artillery war. If the Ukrainians are advancing, by deduction it means they are able to push Russian artillery back.
3) the Ukrainian army has not been completely decimated by the counteroffensive. They do still have combat-ready formations.
4) In fact, they have enough formations to be able to push the Russians both in Zaporozhie and around Bakhmut, while holding off the Russians in Kupyansk, as well as Maryinka, Avdeevka, Ugledar… We’re quite far from the collapse which was supposed to happen around March 2022.
Of course, faced with these unpleasant truths, many posters here will choose to trust the Plan and believe the Russians are toying with the Ukies, all available evidence on the ground notwithstanding.

Posted by: Micron | Sep 17 2023 20:44 utc | 112

The North Korea thing is more about employing NK workforce in projects in Far East Russia, and operating various production plants. They might send some weapons to be tested in Ukraine, but it’s really not the main theme. Sure, a deal may also include 152mm shells etc. But weapons are secondary compared to other things.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 16:56 utc | 19
It’s about weapons, they kept repeating “we didn’t sign any agreements” it comes days after Russia reported being pissed off that their weapon agreements were ignored and Russian weapons were sent to third countries (Ukraine)
“Cluster bombs” were attacks on Russian stockpiles, Ukraine already had cluster munitions. And Putin said he had plenty of clusters out east while Kim Jong was visiting.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 17 2023 21:10 utc | 113

The North Korea thing is more about employing NK workforce in projects in Far East Russia, and operating various production plants. They might send some weapons to be tested in Ukraine, but it’s really not the main theme. Sure, a deal may also include 152mm shells etc. But weapons are secondary compared to other things.
Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 16:56 utc | 19
It’s about weapons, they kept repeating “we didn’t sign any agreements” it comes days after Russia reported being pissed off that their weapon agreements were ignored and Russian weapons were sent to third countries (Ukraine)
“Cluster bombs” were attacks on Russian stockpiles, Ukraine already had cluster munitions. And Putin said he had plenty of clusters out east while Kim Jong was visiting.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 17 2023 21:10 utc | 114

Posted by: theo | Sep 17 2023 20:30 utc | 54
forgot to explain why it is dirty
the condition:
* the king rules without problems ( Putin guaranteed it )
* the resources of Ukrain are secured by the West ( Russia accept it )
* the army is renewed every few weeks with malo russian ( Russia accept it )
* The Western population pays for this game with higher prices ( the overweight assistent is thatswhy very very happy and hope we pay much much more )
now let us stay on the side and watch this payed game
“Russians decimate themselves and the are very happy”.

Posted by: theo | Sep 17 2023 21:14 utc | 115

Posted by: theo | Sep 17 2023 20:30 utc | 54
forgot to explain why it is dirty
the condition:
* the king rules without problems ( Putin guaranteed it )
* the resources of Ukrain are secured by the West ( Russia accept it )
* the army is renewed every few weeks with malo russian ( Russia accept it )
* The Western population pays for this game with higher prices ( the overweight assistent is thatswhy very very happy and hope we pay much much more )
now let us stay on the side and watch this payed game
“Russians decimate themselves and the are very happy”.

Posted by: theo | Sep 17 2023 21:14 utc | 116

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 17 2023 18:11 utc | 36
Absolutely. NK has always been protected by China and Russia because of its strategic location.
What has changed. it is just now a little more public and perhaps NK is happier to import some consumer items. So Russia buys armaments from NK with rubles, which NK can use to buy consumer goods from China. A three way win. It was of course exactly the same story for Iran. Buy their drones which gives Iran money to import from China.
The question is why not done before. I am not quite sure but some of the reasoning would be; for Iran, it has long been a Russian enemy and has a very dangerous strategic location for Russia. The fear would be Iran capitulating to the USA, when any Russian armaments given to Iran may be used to hurt Russia. It has become less of an issue over recent years. I imagine also that the loosening of the bind of the US dollar has given much more flexibility to three way trade. Pretty much the same applies for NK.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 17 2023 21:18 utc | 117

Posted by: kupkee | Sep 17 2023 18:11 utc | 36
Absolutely. NK has always been protected by China and Russia because of its strategic location.
What has changed. it is just now a little more public and perhaps NK is happier to import some consumer items. So Russia buys armaments from NK with rubles, which NK can use to buy consumer goods from China. A three way win. It was of course exactly the same story for Iran. Buy their drones which gives Iran money to import from China.
The question is why not done before. I am not quite sure but some of the reasoning would be; for Iran, it has long been a Russian enemy and has a very dangerous strategic location for Russia. The fear would be Iran capitulating to the USA, when any Russian armaments given to Iran may be used to hurt Russia. It has become less of an issue over recent years. I imagine also that the loosening of the bind of the US dollar has given much more flexibility to three way trade. Pretty much the same applies for NK.

Posted by: watcher | Sep 17 2023 21:18 utc | 118

@Micron | Sep 17 2023 20:44 utc | 56
All available evidence shows that the Ukraine will never be able to get back the five regions it lost to the Russians. All available evidence shows that the Ukraine will never be able to pay back the war debts. All available evidence shows that the Ukraine could possibly cease to exist once the war ends, whatever the result.

Posted by: SG | Sep 17 2023 21:25 utc | 119

@Micron | Sep 17 2023 20:44 utc | 56
All available evidence shows that the Ukraine will never be able to get back the five regions it lost to the Russians. All available evidence shows that the Ukraine will never be able to pay back the war debts. All available evidence shows that the Ukraine could possibly cease to exist once the war ends, whatever the result.

Posted by: SG | Sep 17 2023 21:25 utc | 120

Military summary:
-RUAF is using FABs to bomb AFU positions along the Dnepr river
-RU still holds drone dominance in the Rabotyne-Verbove salient
-AFU made an unusual attempt to evacuate dead bodies from the field west of Novodonetsk – AFVs suffered casualties. Question is why? Dima suggests they were high priority VIPs or someone who must not be discovered by Russians
-RU made a successful rec-in-combat in the Urozhaine-Staramayorske direction. They managed to take part of Staramayorsk under control, which may compromise AFU plans in the entire area
-RU continues its attacks south of Maryinka, toward Novomikhalovka. Also Krasnogorovka
-AFU may control western part of Andryivka, east is grey zone
-AFU published a video from central part of Kleschevka, but there is no proof they control the SE or NE part
-RU bombs only certain parts of Kleschevka that AFU does actually control
-RU continue maintaining full control of drones over Ivanovske, which is the main distribution hub supporting their troops in Andryivka and Kleschevka. This slows down AFU a lot
-AFU will try to capture areas north of Artemovsk and push RU toward Soledar, but they have a lot of problems, namely, the entire front of Seversk has only very few AFU troops, making it vulnerable for RU attack
-5 explosions recorded in Kharkov, at least a tank repair facility hit
-Explosion in Zaporozhye

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 21:27 utc | 121

Military summary:
-RUAF is using FABs to bomb AFU positions along the Dnepr river
-RU still holds drone dominance in the Rabotyne-Verbove salient
-AFU made an unusual attempt to evacuate dead bodies from the field west of Novodonetsk – AFVs suffered casualties. Question is why? Dima suggests they were high priority VIPs or someone who must not be discovered by Russians
-RU made a successful rec-in-combat in the Urozhaine-Staramayorske direction. They managed to take part of Staramayorsk under control, which may compromise AFU plans in the entire area
-RU continues its attacks south of Maryinka, toward Novomikhalovka. Also Krasnogorovka
-AFU may control western part of Andryivka, east is grey zone
-AFU published a video from central part of Kleschevka, but there is no proof they control the SE or NE part
-RU bombs only certain parts of Kleschevka that AFU does actually control
-RU continue maintaining full control of drones over Ivanovske, which is the main distribution hub supporting their troops in Andryivka and Kleschevka. This slows down AFU a lot
-AFU will try to capture areas north of Artemovsk and push RU toward Soledar, but they have a lot of problems, namely, the entire front of Seversk has only very few AFU troops, making it vulnerable for RU attack
-5 explosions recorded in Kharkov, at least a tank repair facility hit
-Explosion in Zaporozhye

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 21:27 utc | 122

Taras 77* | Sep 17 2023 18:52 utc | 42
Thank you enormously for that background.
Center For a New American Security (CNAS) in 2007. These acronyms!
Billed as being militaristic, CNAS funding comes from[the usual]
Michael Kofman is CNAS. I googled him three years ago, when he was full-throated ululating for war with Russia in Ukraine.
[actually, it was the CNA acronym that I was googling years ago.
= Center for Naval Analyses]
Which explains Kofman’s fixation on Crimea and the orgiastic spasms when the Moskva was taken out very early on.
Kofman (and Rob Lee) obviously didn’t expect to get bogged down in a land/artillery war. They were hallucinating about a naval campaign taking Crimea.
[*Taras. I recall you posting at The Saker.]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 17 2023 21:31 utc | 123

Taras 77* | Sep 17 2023 18:52 utc | 42
Thank you enormously for that background.
Center For a New American Security (CNAS) in 2007. These acronyms!
Billed as being militaristic, CNAS funding comes from[the usual]
Michael Kofman is CNAS. I googled him three years ago, when he was full-throated ululating for war with Russia in Ukraine.
[actually, it was the CNA acronym that I was googling years ago.
= Center for Naval Analyses]
Which explains Kofman’s fixation on Crimea and the orgiastic spasms when the Moskva was taken out very early on.
Kofman (and Rob Lee) obviously didn’t expect to get bogged down in a land/artillery war. They were hallucinating about a naval campaign taking Crimea.
[*Taras. I recall you posting at The Saker.]

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 17 2023 21:31 utc | 124

Orgel 10
600W said it very well. I would just add that We westerners have been told by our various Government’s, that the leaders of NK are bad. Actually that is all I know about NK. We were also told over and over again how bad Russia and the USSR were,add China, Saddam, All leaders not put in place by the west are bad! Iran Iraq, Syria, Libya, Indonesia,Philippines Vietnam Laos It is the USA that supported and cheered on Polpot. Central and South America as well. What is amazing to me and shows how deeply we are ingrained in hating leaders our government tell us to, Is people who I know and who understand what is going on in Ukraine will say “ this war is so wrong and the west should stop killing people, I don’t like Putin but…..I don’t like Xi…. But, no war. I am no longer letting them get away with this line. I now ask why do you not like them and they stumble around cause the really know nothing about Russia China or NK! Putin and Xi are well loved in their countries for a reason the US just can’t tolerate this and it started long ago.

Posted by: Susan | Sep 17 2023 21:32 utc | 125

Orgel 10
600W said it very well. I would just add that We westerners have been told by our various Government’s, that the leaders of NK are bad. Actually that is all I know about NK. We were also told over and over again how bad Russia and the USSR were,add China, Saddam, All leaders not put in place by the west are bad! Iran Iraq, Syria, Libya, Indonesia,Philippines Vietnam Laos It is the USA that supported and cheered on Polpot. Central and South America as well. What is amazing to me and shows how deeply we are ingrained in hating leaders our government tell us to, Is people who I know and who understand what is going on in Ukraine will say “ this war is so wrong and the west should stop killing people, I don’t like Putin but…..I don’t like Xi…. But, no war. I am no longer letting them get away with this line. I now ask why do you not like them and they stumble around cause the really know nothing about Russia China or NK! Putin and Xi are well loved in their countries for a reason the US just can’t tolerate this and it started long ago.

Posted by: Susan | Sep 17 2023 21:32 utc | 126

@migueljose 29
thx for the link.
Geoffrey Roberts was the one who found documents which prove that Molotov 1954 was instructed to ask NATO for membership which was naturally denied. (I assume Wiki would quote those.)
From my pdf:
“March 26, 1954
Molotov’s Proposal that the USSR Join NATO, March
1954
Citation:
“Molotov’s Proposal that the USSR Join NATO, March 1954”, March 26, 1954, Wilson
Center Digital Archive, Foreign Policy Archives of the Russian Federation (Arkhiv
Vneshnei Politiki Rossiiskoi Federatsii, or AVP RF), F. 6, Op. 13, Pap. 2, D. 9, L1. 56-59.
Translated for CWIHP by Geoffrey Roberts and included in CWIHP e-Dossier No. 27.
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/113924
Summary:
In this memorandum to the Soviet Presidium, Foreign Minister Molotov proposes that the
Soviet Union publicly state its willingness to consider joining NATO. He explains that the
proposal is intended to disrupt the formation of the European Defense Community and
the rearmament of West Germany, and also limit the United State’s influence in Europe.”
Related is as well Stalin´s bid 1952 to keep Germany unified but neutral which was never considered seriously by Adenauer. It was clear that Germany unified only with NATO. In fact this was the main reason for the Iron Curtain. It would help consolidate USSR domestically but as well Germany.
The German Adenauer party CDU in power and its conservative allies were opposed to non-proliferation and arms reduction talks in the 1960s after Cuba demanding a unified Germany IN NATO. The US however wanted those reduction talk to materialize. USSR was only willing to negotiate if Germany would refrain from trying to gain WMDs. Only after the Wall was built and the German partition was a fact did the Germans agree under the new Brandt leadership. So in order to faciliate global stability by accepting a status quo did the Germans give up unification.
Whether RU and NATO was a matter already in the 1940s on some secret inofficial level could be. But I have not found documents. Which doesn´t mean they are not out there.

Posted by: AG | Sep 17 2023 21:32 utc | 127

@migueljose 29
thx for the link.
Geoffrey Roberts was the one who found documents which prove that Molotov 1954 was instructed to ask NATO for membership which was naturally denied. (I assume Wiki would quote those.)
From my pdf:
“March 26, 1954
Molotov’s Proposal that the USSR Join NATO, March
1954
Citation:
“Molotov’s Proposal that the USSR Join NATO, March 1954”, March 26, 1954, Wilson
Center Digital Archive, Foreign Policy Archives of the Russian Federation (Arkhiv
Vneshnei Politiki Rossiiskoi Federatsii, or AVP RF), F. 6, Op. 13, Pap. 2, D. 9, L1. 56-59.
Translated for CWIHP by Geoffrey Roberts and included in CWIHP e-Dossier No. 27.
https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/113924
Summary:
In this memorandum to the Soviet Presidium, Foreign Minister Molotov proposes that the
Soviet Union publicly state its willingness to consider joining NATO. He explains that the
proposal is intended to disrupt the formation of the European Defense Community and
the rearmament of West Germany, and also limit the United State’s influence in Europe.”
Related is as well Stalin´s bid 1952 to keep Germany unified but neutral which was never considered seriously by Adenauer. It was clear that Germany unified only with NATO. In fact this was the main reason for the Iron Curtain. It would help consolidate USSR domestically but as well Germany.
The German Adenauer party CDU in power and its conservative allies were opposed to non-proliferation and arms reduction talks in the 1960s after Cuba demanding a unified Germany IN NATO. The US however wanted those reduction talk to materialize. USSR was only willing to negotiate if Germany would refrain from trying to gain WMDs. Only after the Wall was built and the German partition was a fact did the Germans agree under the new Brandt leadership. So in order to faciliate global stability by accepting a status quo did the Germans give up unification.
Whether RU and NATO was a matter already in the 1940s on some secret inofficial level could be. But I have not found documents. Which doesn´t mean they are not out there.

Posted by: AG | Sep 17 2023 21:32 utc | 128

The Ukraine president, who’s probably now sitting on a plane heading to Washington, must now be wishing he’d paid more attention in school and read The Prince or even looked up the meaning of the word Patsy.
I have a slight bit of sympathy for the man, only in that his innocence of realpolitik and his basic common knowledge has been so craftily manipulated by the spooks of London and Washington.
The once happy and popular actor of Russian heritage was clearly identified many moons ago as the ideal gobshite. How easy it must have been to appeal to his vanity and get him to run as a politician and presidential candidate. He probably had serious political goals such as peace with Russia and the donbass and was likely to have been reassured by his backers that these goals were indeed noble and what was best for all Ukrainians.
Winning the election must have cemented his belief that he could change Ukraine and bring peace and prosperity to all. The reality of his situation was shielded from him, bags of coke, international heads of state visiting him, the western elites backing him all the way.
Reality started kicking in when he realised that the nazis in kiev wouldn’t play along with his ideas and then the Russians were on the border. Don’t worry Vlad,the west told him, Putin won’t invade, trust us.
Ok, he has invaded, time to make peace with the Russians now he thought. No no no. Time for you to act tough, we’ll support you and get rid of the Russians, don’t worry, they have a shit army and how are you for coke, are you running low?
Now the poor bastard is fucked, no way out. A total patsy, like oswald in 63.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 17 2023 21:39 utc | 129

The Ukraine president, who’s probably now sitting on a plane heading to Washington, must now be wishing he’d paid more attention in school and read The Prince or even looked up the meaning of the word Patsy.
I have a slight bit of sympathy for the man, only in that his innocence of realpolitik and his basic common knowledge has been so craftily manipulated by the spooks of London and Washington.
The once happy and popular actor of Russian heritage was clearly identified many moons ago as the ideal gobshite. How easy it must have been to appeal to his vanity and get him to run as a politician and presidential candidate. He probably had serious political goals such as peace with Russia and the donbass and was likely to have been reassured by his backers that these goals were indeed noble and what was best for all Ukrainians.
Winning the election must have cemented his belief that he could change Ukraine and bring peace and prosperity to all. The reality of his situation was shielded from him, bags of coke, international heads of state visiting him, the western elites backing him all the way.
Reality started kicking in when he realised that the nazis in kiev wouldn’t play along with his ideas and then the Russians were on the border. Don’t worry Vlad,the west told him, Putin won’t invade, trust us.
Ok, he has invaded, time to make peace with the Russians now he thought. No no no. Time for you to act tough, we’ll support you and get rid of the Russians, don’t worry, they have a shit army and how are you for coke, are you running low?
Now the poor bastard is fucked, no way out. A total patsy, like oswald in 63.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 17 2023 21:39 utc | 130

Dima says: “Klishchiivka and Andriivka Have Fallen”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCC13pQmFRk
What is the meaning of that?
Is it possible that Russia has problem with available soldiers?
These are small towns that are completely destroyed, they are worthless. They are isolated and impossible to to stage group concentrations in. That being said Ukraine is armed heavily, NATO is probably still trying to figure out how the hell Russia took so much land when the war started.
Either side moving forward is absolute suicide. It’s pointless murder and mayhem
Russia is the underdog not Ukraine, all of NATO is pumping billions into Ukraine both sides are burning down and attacking each other’s assets around the world. Russia’s main navel base has been attacked and downtown Moscow is being attacked. This is dangerous and out of control, it’s not a Korea situation it’s the started of the largest war the world has ever seen.

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 17 2023 21:42 utc | 131

Dima says: “Klishchiivka and Andriivka Have Fallen”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCC13pQmFRk
What is the meaning of that?
Is it possible that Russia has problem with available soldiers?
These are small towns that are completely destroyed, they are worthless. They are isolated and impossible to to stage group concentrations in. That being said Ukraine is armed heavily, NATO is probably still trying to figure out how the hell Russia took so much land when the war started.
Either side moving forward is absolute suicide. It’s pointless murder and mayhem
Russia is the underdog not Ukraine, all of NATO is pumping billions into Ukraine both sides are burning down and attacking each other’s assets around the world. Russia’s main navel base has been attacked and downtown Moscow is being attacked. This is dangerous and out of control, it’s not a Korea situation it’s the started of the largest war the world has ever seen.

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 17 2023 21:42 utc | 132

“After 19 months of war, most observers have understood that Russia’s ceaseless nuclear threats are a psychological operation, an attempt to frighten Ukraine and its allies into surrender.”
Timothy Snyder, author of Bloodlands, a book that tried to rehabilitate the Nazis in Ukraine ideologically, just a year or two before the coup is here trashing Musk for being concerned about nuclear war.
Put this nut, Bolton, max boot, Nuland, Freeland, blinken and Vindman side by side on the front lines. My dream YouTube video clip!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/17/elon-musk-likes-to-think-he-saved-us-from-armageddon-hes-just-brought-it-closer.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 17 2023 21:44 utc | 133

“After 19 months of war, most observers have understood that Russia’s ceaseless nuclear threats are a psychological operation, an attempt to frighten Ukraine and its allies into surrender.”
Timothy Snyder, author of Bloodlands, a book that tried to rehabilitate the Nazis in Ukraine ideologically, just a year or two before the coup is here trashing Musk for being concerned about nuclear war.
Put this nut, Bolton, max boot, Nuland, Freeland, blinken and Vindman side by side on the front lines. My dream YouTube video clip!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/17/elon-musk-likes-to-think-he-saved-us-from-armageddon-hes-just-brought-it-closer.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Sep 17 2023 21:44 utc | 134

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 17 2023 21:39 utc | 65
The Duran had an entire episode dedicated to Zelensky and his visit to Washington. Basically Zelensky was forced to abandon the negotiation which he probably had more or less sincere belief in Istanbul in March last year. And after that, he had to sign the presidential degree to not ever hold any sort of negotiations with Russia. They further speculated on what the fate will be.
Inside Ukraine, they are speculating that Zelensky must step down and leave the mess to someone else. But it isn’t that easy. US has the habit of replacing leaders with someone they like, but Mercouris once again drew up the historical comparison of Vietnam and how US might not be able to salvage the situation by, literally arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Another problem is Biden regime can’t pull off Zelensky, because it will immediately wake up the western public, who views Zelensky as the symbol of victory. That not all is well in ukroreich, after all.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 21:45 utc | 135

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Sep 17 2023 21:39 utc | 65
The Duran had an entire episode dedicated to Zelensky and his visit to Washington. Basically Zelensky was forced to abandon the negotiation which he probably had more or less sincere belief in Istanbul in March last year. And after that, he had to sign the presidential degree to not ever hold any sort of negotiations with Russia. They further speculated on what the fate will be.
Inside Ukraine, they are speculating that Zelensky must step down and leave the mess to someone else. But it isn’t that easy. US has the habit of replacing leaders with someone they like, but Mercouris once again drew up the historical comparison of Vietnam and how US might not be able to salvage the situation by, literally arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Another problem is Biden regime can’t pull off Zelensky, because it will immediately wake up the western public, who views Zelensky as the symbol of victory. That not all is well in ukroreich, after all.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 21:45 utc | 136

Dima, just like any fortune teller, collects fee and say anything that fits. The other day, somebody put it succinctly, these sites are pastime hobby, unsuitable for seriousness.
It follows that any derivations from Dima’s tube words, are either worthless or hopeless.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Sep 17 2023 22:05 utc | 137

Dima, just like any fortune teller, collects fee and say anything that fits. The other day, somebody put it succinctly, these sites are pastime hobby, unsuitable for seriousness.
It follows that any derivations from Dima’s tube words, are either worthless or hopeless.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Sep 17 2023 22:05 utc | 138

@ Ahenobarbus | Sep 17 2023 21:44 utc | 67
link not found…
timothy synder is a complete paid and bought propagandist working under the guise of some yale university prof… anything he says – i would believe the exact opposite, so i was curious to read the link!

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 22:10 utc | 139

@ Ahenobarbus | Sep 17 2023 21:44 utc | 67
link not found…
timothy synder is a complete paid and bought propagandist working under the guise of some yale university prof… anything he says – i would believe the exact opposite, so i was curious to read the link!

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 22:10 utc | 140

@ 600w | Sep 17 2023 18:05 utc | 35
thanks for saying all that..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 22:12 utc | 141

@ 600w | Sep 17 2023 18:05 utc | 35
thanks for saying all that..

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 22:12 utc | 142

Dima, just like any fortune teller, collects fee and say anything that fits. The other day, somebody put it succinctly, these sites are pastime hobby, unsuitable for seriousness.
It follows that any derivations from Dima’s tube words, are either worthless or hopeless.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Sep 17 2023 22:05 utc | 69
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Pleeeease tell that to @simplex. Not that it will make any difference to his daily memo called “Dima Says …”
I suspect @simplex is a total troll, playing stupid, trying to stimulate traffic to Dima. He posts only Dima News here; never responds to posts arising from his naivety; makes NO EFFORT to keep up with other news or analysis on the SMO.
All those sitrep mapping channels now BLATANTLY and ADMITTEDLY use clickbait headlines for traffic. They either ignore their own headlines or contradict them. On top of the boring minutae of APCs shelled, as you say worthless, hopeless fortune telling.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 17 2023 22:23 utc | 143

Dima, just like any fortune teller, collects fee and say anything that fits. The other day, somebody put it succinctly, these sites are pastime hobby, unsuitable for seriousness.
It follows that any derivations from Dima’s tube words, are either worthless or hopeless.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Sep 17 2023 22:05 utc | 69
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Pleeeease tell that to @simplex. Not that it will make any difference to his daily memo called “Dima Says …”
I suspect @simplex is a total troll, playing stupid, trying to stimulate traffic to Dima. He posts only Dima News here; never responds to posts arising from his naivety; makes NO EFFORT to keep up with other news or analysis on the SMO.
All those sitrep mapping channels now BLATANTLY and ADMITTEDLY use clickbait headlines for traffic. They either ignore their own headlines or contradict them. On top of the boring minutae of APCs shelled, as you say worthless, hopeless fortune telling.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 17 2023 22:23 utc | 144

Sea Breeze 2023-3 is scheduled to run from Sept. 11-15, 2023, in Constanta, Romania. This is a land and sea-based exercise with multinational Allies and Partners, aimed to enhance the capabilities of Black Sea and Partnership for Peace maritime security forces while progressively training and preparing the Ukraine Maritime Command staff.
This is what happened to the Russians boats, unless Russia backs down this is going to get ugly. Russia has no out from this mess and it is a far more dangerous situation than you all want to admit.
They stated “we have to win we have no other choice” it was a signal that they have been given no other option then to destroy the west. This isn’t a spectator sport or a video game it’s insane

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 17 2023 22:31 utc | 145

Sea Breeze 2023-3 is scheduled to run from Sept. 11-15, 2023, in Constanta, Romania. This is a land and sea-based exercise with multinational Allies and Partners, aimed to enhance the capabilities of Black Sea and Partnership for Peace maritime security forces while progressively training and preparing the Ukraine Maritime Command staff.
This is what happened to the Russians boats, unless Russia backs down this is going to get ugly. Russia has no out from this mess and it is a far more dangerous situation than you all want to admit.
They stated “we have to win we have no other choice” it was a signal that they have been given no other option then to destroy the west. This isn’t a spectator sport or a video game it’s insane

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 17 2023 22:31 utc | 146

PSA. Every time some fucknit posts “Dima says”, I feel another brain cell die.
Keep it up, and I’ll channel my inner RSH. FFS.
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Oh. And Fuck Mercouris. And his nonsense plot-twist, that “best korea” munitions are actually / really a cover for Chinese munitions.
No. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The Russians are dealing with the North Koreans, ….. like they have since WW2. (And before).
The Russia-North Korea interaction is a chess piece move to address South Korea (and Japan).
Anyone who’s watching (in Africa and South America) see the U$ source munitions in South Korea, and then have a tantrum, exactly like a two year old at the candy aisle in the supermarket, when Russia deals with North Korea.
And Snake Sullivan’s double-double-dog dare that there’ll be “consequences”, (sanctions even bigger than Sanctions From Hell™️) gives everyone watching a giant guffaw.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 17 2023 22:34 utc | 147

PSA. Every time some fucknit posts “Dima says”, I feel another brain cell die.
Keep it up, and I’ll channel my inner RSH. FFS.
——-
Oh. And Fuck Mercouris. And his nonsense plot-twist, that “best korea” munitions are actually / really a cover for Chinese munitions.
No. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The Russians are dealing with the North Koreans, ….. like they have since WW2. (And before).
The Russia-North Korea interaction is a chess piece move to address South Korea (and Japan).
Anyone who’s watching (in Africa and South America) see the U$ source munitions in South Korea, and then have a tantrum, exactly like a two year old at the candy aisle in the supermarket, when Russia deals with North Korea.
And Snake Sullivan’s double-double-dog dare that there’ll be “consequences”, (sanctions even bigger than Sanctions From Hell™️) gives everyone watching a giant guffaw.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 17 2023 22:34 utc | 148

They only took some selfies there, in the village. That’s not “taking”, it’s probably for msm and for Zeli’s visit to US this week. If it’s a real success then Ukr has to keep it and advance or whatever.

Posted by: rk | Sep 17 2023 22:41 utc | 149

They only took some selfies there, in the village. That’s not “taking”, it’s probably for msm and for Zeli’s visit to US this week. If it’s a real success then Ukr has to keep it and advance or whatever.

Posted by: rk | Sep 17 2023 22:41 utc | 150

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 17 2023 19:32 utc | 47
Col. Reisner:

“The last time we faced defense works of such strength was in Kursk.”

Ma, please give more context of this extraordinary quote, or a citation. Was it published? An interview?.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 17 2023 22:44 utc | 151

Posted by: Ma Laoshi | Sep 17 2023 19:32 utc | 47
Col. Reisner:

“The last time we faced defense works of such strength was in Kursk.”

Ma, please give more context of this extraordinary quote, or a citation. Was it published? An interview?.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Sep 17 2023 22:44 utc | 152

Posted by: AG | Sep 17 2023 21:32 utc | 64
re: USSR joining NATO after WW2
thanks for the archive and the comments AG. To me, it looks to be very, very important historical information that documents the intentions, proposals and actions taken by USSR, West Germany and the US/NATO that set the course for today’s war in Urkraine.
Good job in digging up the archive!

Posted by: migueljose | Sep 17 2023 22:52 utc | 153

Posted by: AG | Sep 17 2023 21:32 utc | 64
re: USSR joining NATO after WW2
thanks for the archive and the comments AG. To me, it looks to be very, very important historical information that documents the intentions, proposals and actions taken by USSR, West Germany and the US/NATO that set the course for today’s war in Urkraine.
Good job in digging up the archive!

Posted by: migueljose | Sep 17 2023 22:52 utc | 154

OohCanada | Sep 17 2023 22:31 utc | 73
Yes, an old transport ship that looks like it’s from Mad Max, a little speed boat and kayaks of some sort, I forgot what it was, one radar plane from US and some Bulgarians. I’m sure Russia, even China are afraid now, operation Danube Danger in progress!!

Posted by: rk | Sep 17 2023 22:53 utc | 155

OohCanada | Sep 17 2023 22:31 utc | 73
Yes, an old transport ship that looks like it’s from Mad Max, a little speed boat and kayaks of some sort, I forgot what it was, one radar plane from US and some Bulgarians. I’m sure Russia, even China are afraid now, operation Danube Danger in progress!!

Posted by: rk | Sep 17 2023 22:53 utc | 156

Posted by: Tiano | Sep 17 2023 18:23 utc | 38
thanks Tiano

Posted by: migueljose | Sep 17 2023 22:56 utc | 157

Posted by: Tiano | Sep 17 2023 18:23 utc | 38
thanks Tiano

Posted by: migueljose | Sep 17 2023 22:56 utc | 158

Eoin Clancy 52
All Western politicians are patsies. That’s the whole point of the entire system, to seduce the ambitious into being patsies for the interests of the Zionists through gift. But it’s an eyes-wide-open system and all participants are 100% aware of the potential gains and potential risks.
Have I got to have sympathy for David Cameron who destroyed Libya, or Blair who destroyed Iraq, or Erdogan who destroyed Syria because they were patsies? Zionist Henry Kissinger stsed clearly that some people confuse covert operations with social work.
Obviously if these fully aware and fully guilty of their war crimes patsies was seen to be suffering some kind of betrayal , it would deter other fools from patsying in future. So they’ve all got to be embalmed like Egyptian Mummies in the glow of safety and respect.
The Azovs are patsies, Hitler was a patsy. The concept of Nazism is a means of diverting attention from the identity of the puppetmasrers. Only if the mafia bosses’ identities are revealed are the patsies likely to have their throats cut .
When you play your violin for poor patsy Zelensky, you are condoning the criminals who give him his contract.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 17 2023 23:23 utc | 159

Eoin Clancy 52
All Western politicians are patsies. That’s the whole point of the entire system, to seduce the ambitious into being patsies for the interests of the Zionists through gift. But it’s an eyes-wide-open system and all participants are 100% aware of the potential gains and potential risks.
Have I got to have sympathy for David Cameron who destroyed Libya, or Blair who destroyed Iraq, or Erdogan who destroyed Syria because they were patsies? Zionist Henry Kissinger stsed clearly that some people confuse covert operations with social work.
Obviously if these fully aware and fully guilty of their war crimes patsies was seen to be suffering some kind of betrayal , it would deter other fools from patsying in future. So they’ve all got to be embalmed like Egyptian Mummies in the glow of safety and respect.
The Azovs are patsies, Hitler was a patsy. The concept of Nazism is a means of diverting attention from the identity of the puppetmasrers. Only if the mafia bosses’ identities are revealed are the patsies likely to have their throats cut .
When you play your violin for poor patsy Zelensky, you are condoning the criminals who give him his contract.

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 17 2023 23:23 utc | 160

Russia should stop playing and just damn turn Lwow, Stanislawow, Tarnopol and Rivne to ashes, Berlin Year Zero style.
To hell with Banderists. Make them suffer so much Satan himself in Hell will cry. Nuke London and the United Kunts of whatnot. Nuke the murderous degenerated bunch of gringos in Washington. Imagine the satisfaction to see Nuland vaporized, vanishing in a small cloud of nuclear ashes. Kill couple million yanquis, so it will spare lives of millions and millions of human beings all around the world.
Pale skinned gringos have no future anyway, billions of Africans, Asiatics and much discriminated Latinos will demographically eradicate them. Germans are already self-destroying themselves, as they invest more in polish for their cars and their holiday campers than in children and family. Good riddance.

Posted by: Timur | Sep 17 2023 23:40 utc | 161

Russia should stop playing and just damn turn Lwow, Stanislawow, Tarnopol and Rivne to ashes, Berlin Year Zero style.
To hell with Banderists. Make them suffer so much Satan himself in Hell will cry. Nuke London and the United Kunts of whatnot. Nuke the murderous degenerated bunch of gringos in Washington. Imagine the satisfaction to see Nuland vaporized, vanishing in a small cloud of nuclear ashes. Kill couple million yanquis, so it will spare lives of millions and millions of human beings all around the world.
Pale skinned gringos have no future anyway, billions of Africans, Asiatics and much discriminated Latinos will demographically eradicate them. Germans are already self-destroying themselves, as they invest more in polish for their cars and their holiday campers than in children and family. Good riddance.

Posted by: Timur | Sep 17 2023 23:40 utc | 162

@6
Perfect strategy to fight a war one-hand behind ur back!
Doubt that DPRK Fighters would fight with one-hand behind their back. Actually nobody would do this only chessmaster. Insane!
Imagine playing icehockey one-hand behind their back!?
Insane!
Meanwhile Ukrainian forces announcing the full control over the town of Klishchiivka/Кліщіївка after almost three months of hard In addition, some corrections were made some kilometers south showing that Ukrainian Army is closer to the town of Kurdyumivka/Курдюмівка (credit to @SyriaWar2), probably the next target of this counteroffensive.

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 17 2023 23:55 utc | 163

@6
Perfect strategy to fight a war one-hand behind ur back!
Doubt that DPRK Fighters would fight with one-hand behind their back. Actually nobody would do this only chessmaster. Insane!
Imagine playing icehockey one-hand behind their back!?
Insane!
Meanwhile Ukrainian forces announcing the full control over the town of Klishchiivka/Кліщіївка after almost three months of hard In addition, some corrections were made some kilometers south showing that Ukrainian Army is closer to the town of Kurdyumivka/Курдюмівка (credit to @SyriaWar2), probably the next target of this counteroffensive.

Posted by: SlowSoft | Sep 17 2023 23:55 utc | 164

the most important thing that Kim brought back is the blueprint for producing Lancets.
Within 6 months the NK will field 1 million Lancets and the Yoon poodle will shit in his pants

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 17 2023 23:56 utc | 165

the most important thing that Kim brought back is the blueprint for producing Lancets.
Within 6 months the NK will field 1 million Lancets and the Yoon poodle will shit in his pants

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 17 2023 23:56 utc | 166

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 17 2023 23:23 utc | 80
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Hey Giyane! You broke the deal. 🙁 You see? You couldn’t even go 24 hours without your usual form — of picking some random post #, then excreting your sicko theo-anarchist politics into the public airwaves.
I’m sincerely disappointed in your lack of self control. I’m sure the Koran talks about withholding one’s semen and not spilling it upon the ground. You’ve really let the Muslim Incel Community (the MIC) down.
But then maybe you don’t read my posts to you anymore. But be assured many others do and also wish you would fuck off and join the Taliban and preach your mindless vitriol in a Madrassa.
Take care in the Tora Bora caves, you animal.
Till next.
Oh shit! I’ve just realised, you might be ChatGPT. That would make perfect sense as to your bizarre modus operandi. Why didn’t anyone tell me??? Bugger. British Airways won’t be able to sell your entity a ticket to Kabul.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 0:13 utc | 167

Posted by: Giyane | Sep 17 2023 23:23 utc | 80
#####
Hey Giyane! You broke the deal. 🙁 You see? You couldn’t even go 24 hours without your usual form — of picking some random post #, then excreting your sicko theo-anarchist politics into the public airwaves.
I’m sincerely disappointed in your lack of self control. I’m sure the Koran talks about withholding one’s semen and not spilling it upon the ground. You’ve really let the Muslim Incel Community (the MIC) down.
But then maybe you don’t read my posts to you anymore. But be assured many others do and also wish you would fuck off and join the Taliban and preach your mindless vitriol in a Madrassa.
Take care in the Tora Bora caves, you animal.
Till next.
Oh shit! I’ve just realised, you might be ChatGPT. That would make perfect sense as to your bizarre modus operandi. Why didn’t anyone tell me??? Bugger. British Airways won’t be able to sell your entity a ticket to Kabul.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 0:13 utc | 168

Yes, an old transport ship that looks like it’s from Mad Max, a little speed boat and kayaks of some sort, I forgot what it was, one radar plane from US and some Bulgarians. I’m sure Russia, even China are afraid now, operation Danube Danger in progress!!
They hit the Russians dry dock in a main naval base killing Russian soldiers, it’s not a joke. Moscow is burning Russia is 1/10 the size of NATO it’s a dangerous situation.
The Americans can’t and won’t let Russia steal Nuclear power plants coal mines and everything else they are grabbing up. they will not walk away or fold until they show the peasants around the world not to fuck around.
Hopefully they work out a deal where everyone saves face but I don’t see how that’s even possible now.
They will try to cut Russia off from Africa and the Middle East, Russia knows what’s up, NATO knows what’s up. They have told us over and over what’s up but the population is blindly walking into a large scale war ignoring what is being said and played out.
They will keep degrading Russian military and air defenses until they feel safe walking into western Ukraine, Russia knows they will never stop so it epwill not back down.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 18 2023 0:15 utc | 169

Yes, an old transport ship that looks like it’s from Mad Max, a little speed boat and kayaks of some sort, I forgot what it was, one radar plane from US and some Bulgarians. I’m sure Russia, even China are afraid now, operation Danube Danger in progress!!
They hit the Russians dry dock in a main naval base killing Russian soldiers, it’s not a joke. Moscow is burning Russia is 1/10 the size of NATO it’s a dangerous situation.
The Americans can’t and won’t let Russia steal Nuclear power plants coal mines and everything else they are grabbing up. they will not walk away or fold until they show the peasants around the world not to fuck around.
Hopefully they work out a deal where everyone saves face but I don’t see how that’s even possible now.
They will try to cut Russia off from Africa and the Middle East, Russia knows what’s up, NATO knows what’s up. They have told us over and over what’s up but the population is blindly walking into a large scale war ignoring what is being said and played out.
They will keep degrading Russian military and air defenses until they feel safe walking into western Ukraine, Russia knows they will never stop so it epwill not back down.

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 18 2023 0:15 utc | 170

They will keep degrading Russian military and air defenses

They would have to start before they can keep. The reality is Russian losses have been minimal, and well within projections no doubt..probably less than estimated.
NATO looks like they showed up to a gun fight with some homemade shanks and a couple drunk friends they coerced to help.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 18 2023 0:37 utc | 171

They will keep degrading Russian military and air defenses

They would have to start before they can keep. The reality is Russian losses have been minimal, and well within projections no doubt..probably less than estimated.
NATO looks like they showed up to a gun fight with some homemade shanks and a couple drunk friends they coerced to help.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 18 2023 0:37 utc | 172

Posted by: Taras 77 | Sep 17 2023 18:52 utc | 42
Russia was taunted to go to war with Ukraine. China’s economy was destroyed by these NGO task forces to cripple it as a competitor. And the US is being ruled by bug eyed war hawks bent on making as much money as possible before Agenda 2030 coopts every global economy under the tutelage/totalitarian rule of Stakeholders.
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Interesting take.
Of course, those ‘bug eyed war hawks’ may still be ruling the roost after Agenda 2030. First the Western polities will collapse; then they will be the comprador class.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 18 2023 0:40 utc | 173

Posted by: Taras 77 | Sep 17 2023 18:52 utc | 42
Russia was taunted to go to war with Ukraine. China’s economy was destroyed by these NGO task forces to cripple it as a competitor. And the US is being ruled by bug eyed war hawks bent on making as much money as possible before Agenda 2030 coopts every global economy under the tutelage/totalitarian rule of Stakeholders.
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Interesting take.
Of course, those ‘bug eyed war hawks’ may still be ruling the roost after Agenda 2030. First the Western polities will collapse; then they will be the comprador class.

Posted by: Scorpion | Sep 18 2023 0:40 utc | 174

Flash : Kleshcheevka, dismal ruins; 17 September 2023
the desperate Ukrainian propaganda, to protract Western support

As usual, despite failure, the various Ukrainian authorities are eager to claim success, in order to protract Western support, but they are lacking coordination. Kleshcheevka is a village (512 inhabitants in peacetime), about 10 km southwest of downtown Bakhmut, Donetsk People’s Republic. In the ambition to seize back the city, the Atlanticist forces are attacking the village for three months.
On September 14 already, Ukrainian deputy defense minister Hanna Maliar announced the conquest of Kleshcheevka, but while operating in the area, the 3rd assault brigade, branch of Nazi Azov organization within the regular army, denied the gain.
A video surfaces on September 17, 2023, is showing Atlanticist fighters with flags, near a church, at the center of the former village, now in ruins. Nice picture, but the Ukrainian staff does not confirm its control. Volodymyr Zelenskyy claims it later, but is always lying. Kleshcheevka is still a battlefield.

Posted by: scanalyse | Sep 18 2023 0:48 utc | 175

Flash : Kleshcheevka, dismal ruins; 17 September 2023
the desperate Ukrainian propaganda, to protract Western support

As usual, despite failure, the various Ukrainian authorities are eager to claim success, in order to protract Western support, but they are lacking coordination. Kleshcheevka is a village (512 inhabitants in peacetime), about 10 km southwest of downtown Bakhmut, Donetsk People’s Republic. In the ambition to seize back the city, the Atlanticist forces are attacking the village for three months.
On September 14 already, Ukrainian deputy defense minister Hanna Maliar announced the conquest of Kleshcheevka, but while operating in the area, the 3rd assault brigade, branch of Nazi Azov organization within the regular army, denied the gain.
A video surfaces on September 17, 2023, is showing Atlanticist fighters with flags, near a church, at the center of the former village, now in ruins. Nice picture, but the Ukrainian staff does not confirm its control. Volodymyr Zelenskyy claims it later, but is always lying. Kleshcheevka is still a battlefield.

Posted by: scanalyse | Sep 18 2023 0:48 utc | 176

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 18 2023 0:15 utc | 85
Wow. When I first started reading you, I thought you were just a little misguided. Now I realise you are full blown crazy.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 0:48 utc | 177

Posted by: OohCanada | Sep 18 2023 0:15 utc | 85
Wow. When I first started reading you, I thought you were just a little misguided. Now I realise you are full blown crazy.

Posted by: SCCC | Sep 18 2023 0:48 utc | 178

I sense that Ukraine will be out of manpower almost any minute?
Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Sep 17 2023 15:56 utc | 12
Ukraine has a huge amount of reserves and manpower advantage over Russian forces there, and it’s one of the main reasons they can’t clear Donbass. Even if you read current Russian reports there is always mention of more Ukrainian units and reserves:

In the Rabotino area there are also no changes. The enemy is trying to increase pressure on Verbovoye by using units transferred from other directions.
Vremevsky ledge.
The enemy is regrouping to resume more intense attacks.
The situation near Kupyansk also has not undergone radical changes. The enemy somewhat strengthened the front due to the transferred reserves.

Posted by: MiniMo | Sep 18 2023 0:56 utc | 179

I sense that Ukraine will be out of manpower almost any minute?
Posted by: GEORGE CHAMBERLAIN | Sep 17 2023 15:56 utc | 12
Ukraine has a huge amount of reserves and manpower advantage over Russian forces there, and it’s one of the main reasons they can’t clear Donbass. Even if you read current Russian reports there is always mention of more Ukrainian units and reserves:

In the Rabotino area there are also no changes. The enemy is trying to increase pressure on Verbovoye by using units transferred from other directions.
Vremevsky ledge.
The enemy is regrouping to resume more intense attacks.
The situation near Kupyansk also has not undergone radical changes. The enemy somewhat strengthened the front due to the transferred reserves.

Posted by: MiniMo | Sep 18 2023 0:56 utc | 180

They would have to start before they can keep. The reality is Russian losses have been minimal, and well within projections no doubt..probably less than estimated.
NATO looks like they showed up to a gun fight with some homemade shanks and a couple drunk friends they coerced to help.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 18 2023 0:37 utc | 86
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What do you think is going on here? seriously
Russia is trying to overthrow the leaders of the world and take away control of the money. The sanctions imposed on Russia years ago helped this come to a head.
Russia has been told to surrender and hand over the leaders to be hung
The west has been told to remove all sanctions on everybody and move it’s back to 1991 positions.
Millions are dead in the Middle East over some gas fields, that is happening now not in the past. They will not let Russia take away everything and Russia is in too deep to give up because they will collapse.
Do you actually think they will had over everything to Russia without a fight?
There is a shitload of dead Russians, Merc’s and Ukrainians hundreds of thousands dead. Once the air defense is degraded they will send f-16’s. Do you have internet? They spent 3 or 4 weeks destroying radars and systems before attacking Crimea and obviously it worked. They will have spent 2 years so far trying to destroy systems. Russia is not magic they cannot keep fighting NATO armies( 3 so far all larger than any army in Europe) without taking damage.
The TV is not telling you the truth, Ukraine has everything it needs and more. NATO can crank out millions of shells and has endless supplies on hand. The Hillary “Russia,Russia,Russia” was when they started pumping out missiles and shells for this war.
Wagner showed the stockpiles they took in the Soledar mines, that’s what all the mines in Ukraine look like.,
Best case is NATO floods west Ukraine and they stalemate. But that leaves Russia in a sanctions/terrorist situation while they build up Ukraine.
So again what do you think is going to happen?

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 18 2023 1:23 utc | 181

They would have to start before they can keep. The reality is Russian losses have been minimal, and well within projections no doubt..probably less than estimated.
NATO looks like they showed up to a gun fight with some homemade shanks and a couple drunk friends they coerced to help.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 18 2023 0:37 utc | 86
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What do you think is going on here? seriously
Russia is trying to overthrow the leaders of the world and take away control of the money. The sanctions imposed on Russia years ago helped this come to a head.
Russia has been told to surrender and hand over the leaders to be hung
The west has been told to remove all sanctions on everybody and move it’s back to 1991 positions.
Millions are dead in the Middle East over some gas fields, that is happening now not in the past. They will not let Russia take away everything and Russia is in too deep to give up because they will collapse.
Do you actually think they will had over everything to Russia without a fight?
There is a shitload of dead Russians, Merc’s and Ukrainians hundreds of thousands dead. Once the air defense is degraded they will send f-16’s. Do you have internet? They spent 3 or 4 weeks destroying radars and systems before attacking Crimea and obviously it worked. They will have spent 2 years so far trying to destroy systems. Russia is not magic they cannot keep fighting NATO armies( 3 so far all larger than any army in Europe) without taking damage.
The TV is not telling you the truth, Ukraine has everything it needs and more. NATO can crank out millions of shells and has endless supplies on hand. The Hillary “Russia,Russia,Russia” was when they started pumping out missiles and shells for this war.
Wagner showed the stockpiles they took in the Soledar mines, that’s what all the mines in Ukraine look like.,
Best case is NATO floods west Ukraine and they stalemate. But that leaves Russia in a sanctions/terrorist situation while they build up Ukraine.
So again what do you think is going to happen?

Posted by: OhCanada | Sep 18 2023 1:23 utc | 182

Are NAFO trolls well paid? I’m open for hire.
Here’s an example of my talents. Sputnik reported NATO declaring they have 3 million men ready to march into Kremlin. I’m sure after that it’s Beijing. And finally the world will know peace at last.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:29 utc | 183

Are NAFO trolls well paid? I’m open for hire.
Here’s an example of my talents. Sputnik reported NATO declaring they have 3 million men ready to march into Kremlin. I’m sure after that it’s Beijing. And finally the world will know peace at last.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:29 utc | 184

There is nothing good about the regime in NK but if the deals between russia and nk lead to less hunger and suffering among nkoreans i guess it ultimately is a good thing.
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 17 2023 15:38 utc | 10
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Maybe if the US and its Western butt kissers would lift their sanctions against North Korea the mythical hunger and suffering among the North Koren people would take care of itself. Orgel, your view is skewed by false western propaganda. There is a correlation between Western sanctions and the living standards in NK, but they are not as bad as the Western narrative suggests.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 18 2023 1:30 utc | 185

There is nothing good about the regime in NK but if the deals between russia and nk lead to less hunger and suffering among nkoreans i guess it ultimately is a good thing.
Posted by: Orgel | Sep 17 2023 15:38 utc | 10
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Maybe if the US and its Western butt kissers would lift their sanctions against North Korea the mythical hunger and suffering among the North Koren people would take care of itself. Orgel, your view is skewed by false western propaganda. There is a correlation between Western sanctions and the living standards in NK, but they are not as bad as the Western narrative suggests.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 18 2023 1:30 utc | 186

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 18 2023 0:37 utc | 86 “The reality is Russian losses have been minimal, and well within projections no doubt..probably less than estimated.”
Whose projections?
These peoples: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1697553040071430306 ?

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 1:36 utc | 187

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Sep 18 2023 0:37 utc | 86 “The reality is Russian losses have been minimal, and well within projections no doubt..probably less than estimated.”
Whose projections?
These peoples: https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1697553040071430306 ?

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 1:36 utc | 188

Posted by: Ed | Sep 18 2023 1:30 utc | 93
That’s a concerned troll. Hope he explains the hunger, lack of medicine, in Yemen, Syria, Venezuela, Afghanistan. Likely he’d tell us it’s because they have bad govts. And same goes for China whose economy is forever collapsing, the people are oppressed and have no freedom, starving and desperately waiting for US to liberate them from evil commies.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:36 utc | 189

Posted by: Ed | Sep 18 2023 1:30 utc | 93
That’s a concerned troll. Hope he explains the hunger, lack of medicine, in Yemen, Syria, Venezuela, Afghanistan. Likely he’d tell us it’s because they have bad govts. And same goes for China whose economy is forever collapsing, the people are oppressed and have no freedom, starving and desperately waiting for US to liberate them from evil commies.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:36 utc | 190

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 1:36 utc | 94
Actually it’s Putin who said in one of his recent interviews that the Ukies are suffering more than 10:1 casualties.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:38 utc | 191

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 1:36 utc | 94
Actually it’s Putin who said in one of his recent interviews that the Ukies are suffering more than 10:1 casualties.

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:38 utc | 192

I live in China and I believe we actually have better info on what’s happening on the battlefields than you guys in the west with your heavily pro Nazi slanted MSM.
Here’s a screencap with translation done.
https://i.imgur.com/LOhuWD0.jpg

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:44 utc | 193

I live in China and I believe we actually have better info on what’s happening on the battlefields than you guys in the west with your heavily pro Nazi slanted MSM.
Here’s a screencap with translation done.
https://i.imgur.com/LOhuWD0.jpg

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:44 utc | 194

@migueljose 77
thx but I didnt do the digging, Geoffrey Roberts did 😉
I am merely quoting.
* * *
if interested some thoughts about domestic German policy in that time of relevance to your question:
In Germany these things (NATO Molotov, Stalin Note) are still not really being understood in the public mainstream.
1961 and the building of the Berlin Wall i.e. is regarded still as a precipice to world end.
It was not a kind thing to do. But BOTH sides preferred it to the status quo ante.
One might add that FRG and France were cooperating in a joint WMD program independent from the US mid 1950s. This was upended immediately by De Gaulle who kicked out the Germans and built his bomb without them. But there were serious secret negotiations by 1958 about joint warheads, uranium enrichment and adequate fighter planes being produced eventually by France, Germany and Italy together, this just shortly before De Gaulle came into power.
The question of course is: what would have happened had they realized those plans may be without De Gaulle gaining power. Would the US have intervened? Or would the French still have chosen the other path.
Since the RUs were no friends of German WMDs. And neither the US.
Last point: the German Social Democratic Party (Willy Brandt) made a famous rightwing to capitalist turn in 1959 with the historic Godesberger Party Program which in essence abandonded any remnants of Marxist or anti-capitalist thinking in the SPD. They eventually became compatible with the reigning system.
This was a “bitter” consequence after they had failed to stop German rearmament and stop the stationing of US WMDs in Germany even though throughout 1957 and until summer 1958 SPD, the mighty German unions, the Church and civil rights groups organized the biggest antiwar protests since WWII. 2 mio. people were protesting all over Western Germany and they could not stop the war mongering of the Adenauer government.
And when SPD lost important regional elections in North Rhine-Westphalia summer 1958, which had always been SPD-territory and the biggest state, despite their “Front Populaire” they decided to change course.
This is important in order to understand that the superficial liberal progressive moves Brandt is known for today and Schmidt in part too, were bought via abandoning some founding principles of the worker based Social Democratic Party of 1869.

Posted by: AG | Sep 18 2023 1:54 utc | 195

@migueljose 77
thx but I didnt do the digging, Geoffrey Roberts did 😉
I am merely quoting.
* * *
if interested some thoughts about domestic German policy in that time of relevance to your question:
In Germany these things (NATO Molotov, Stalin Note) are still not really being understood in the public mainstream.
1961 and the building of the Berlin Wall i.e. is regarded still as a precipice to world end.
It was not a kind thing to do. But BOTH sides preferred it to the status quo ante.
One might add that FRG and France were cooperating in a joint WMD program independent from the US mid 1950s. This was upended immediately by De Gaulle who kicked out the Germans and built his bomb without them. But there were serious secret negotiations by 1958 about joint warheads, uranium enrichment and adequate fighter planes being produced eventually by France, Germany and Italy together, this just shortly before De Gaulle came into power.
The question of course is: what would have happened had they realized those plans may be without De Gaulle gaining power. Would the US have intervened? Or would the French still have chosen the other path.
Since the RUs were no friends of German WMDs. And neither the US.
Last point: the German Social Democratic Party (Willy Brandt) made a famous rightwing to capitalist turn in 1959 with the historic Godesberger Party Program which in essence abandonded any remnants of Marxist or anti-capitalist thinking in the SPD. They eventually became compatible with the reigning system.
This was a “bitter” consequence after they had failed to stop German rearmament and stop the stationing of US WMDs in Germany even though throughout 1957 and until summer 1958 SPD, the mighty German unions, the Church and civil rights groups organized the biggest antiwar protests since WWII. 2 mio. people were protesting all over Western Germany and they could not stop the war mongering of the Adenauer government.
And when SPD lost important regional elections in North Rhine-Westphalia summer 1958, which had always been SPD-territory and the biggest state, despite their “Front Populaire” they decided to change course.
This is important in order to understand that the superficial liberal progressive moves Brandt is known for today and Schmidt in part too, were bought via abandoning some founding principles of the worker based Social Democratic Party of 1869.

Posted by: AG | Sep 18 2023 1:54 utc | 196

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:38 utc | 96 “Actually it’s Putin who said in one of his recent interviews that the Ukies are suffering more than 10:1 casualties”
Putin says a lot of stuff. Early February 2022: “Russian officials said no invasion of Ukraine was underway and none was planned.” Latter February 2022: “do not include an occupation” I believe it as much as what Zelenskyy says.
If Ukraine has suffered 10 casualties for every Russian one, it’s amazing how well the remaining barely trained Ukrainian soldiers are doing.
The numbers both sides have given out are junk. I would guess Meduza’s numbers as a base are the best data on the issue for Russia. Ukraine’s numbers are likely closer to Russia than being order of magnitude larger.

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 197

Posted by: Surferket | Sep 18 2023 1:38 utc | 96 “Actually it’s Putin who said in one of his recent interviews that the Ukies are suffering more than 10:1 casualties”
Putin says a lot of stuff. Early February 2022: “Russian officials said no invasion of Ukraine was underway and none was planned.” Latter February 2022: “do not include an occupation” I believe it as much as what Zelenskyy says.
If Ukraine has suffered 10 casualties for every Russian one, it’s amazing how well the remaining barely trained Ukrainian soldiers are doing.
The numbers both sides have given out are junk. I would guess Meduza’s numbers as a base are the best data on the issue for Russia. Ukraine’s numbers are likely closer to Russia than being order of magnitude larger.

Posted by: ed5 | Sep 18 2023 2:00 utc | 198

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 22:10 utc | 70
Here’s Timothy Snyder’s op ed piece at guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/17/elon-musk-likes-to-think-he-saved-us-from-armageddon-hes-just-brought-it-closer
If that doesn’t work, I went to the Guardian’s front page, typed “Timothy Snyder” into Search, and it popped up.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Sep 18 2023 2:11 utc | 199

Posted by: james | Sep 17 2023 22:10 utc | 70
Here’s Timothy Snyder’s op ed piece at guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/17/elon-musk-likes-to-think-he-saved-us-from-armageddon-hes-just-brought-it-closer
If that doesn’t work, I went to the Guardian’s front page, typed “Timothy Snyder” into Search, and it popped up.

Posted by: jonboinAR | Sep 18 2023 2:11 utc | 200