Dogtired | Sep 16 2023 16:21 utc | 235
Not for me, the site itself doesn’t appear in results on gugl. I’m in the “garden”, Ursula and Borel must be constipated

Posted by: rk | Sep 16 2023 17:56 utc | 503

Posted by: Satepestage | Sep 16 2023 17:06 utc | 244
The 203mm is far from obsolete, the first units of the 2S7M modernisation programme were delivered in 2020 and I’m pretty sure the post-SMO assessments will stress it’s vital role in the Russian artillery park, and need for continuing upgrades.

Posted by: Milites | Sep 16 2023 17:58 utc | 505

Posted by: Kind Stone | Sep 16 2023 17:38 utc | 247
Well, the end result will be the same. A large part of the population in Ukraine will end up in one side or the other, leave, they basically get to go where ever they want. Until they don’t…
The popular vision is that “Ukraine” will soon consist of the Kiev and adjacent regions, which are neutral buffer states. The game with the west is a hot potato type game, where Russia tries to dump the hostile russophobic population into EU jurisdiction where they have to pay for them. Russia do not want the nazis, only the non-nazi population.
But probably quite a lot of them will still be mobilized to the meat grinder and die. Some will manage to surrender. Everyone will be vetted and the mind virus infected dumped to the west.
There have been speculation that regardless of Russia significant increase of long range missile production, they have been in very little use and are piling up somewhere. That should be worrying Kiev regime and the west. One possible scenario is renewed attack on energy plants, another supporting an offensive with these missiles.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2023 18:07 utc | 507

DuckDuckGo still comes up with this sight first with a search for “moonofalabama.”

Posted by: Michael Weddington | Sep 16 2023 18:26 utc | 509

… And what about the RU owners/oligarchs/multis who are the players in the RU MIC?
Posted by: AG | Sep 16 2023 17:07 utc | 245
Maybe relevant to your question, I stumbled on a pointed exchange of criticisms of RF MIC players in the comments on an article on the development of guided rockets of the BM-21 “Grad” 122mm launch system.
I’d take the criticisms with a pinch of salt but also the defensive responses given that the article is from February of this year and there hasn’t been a single report of guided rockets being fielded for BM-21.
Either read or skip the article, the comments are at the bottom and mostly self explanatory.
https://en.topwar.ru/211044-dalshe-i-tochnee-novye-boepripasy-dlja-rszo-tornado-g.html

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2023 18:33 utc | 511

Ukraine is destroying Russian ships, submarines and AA systems and Putin retaliates by hitting grain silos or loading cranes in a relatively pro-RU city. Pathetic.

Posted by: Sea Librarian | Sep 16 2023 18:53 utc | 513

Posted by: Sea Librarian | Sep 16 2023 18:53 utc | 258
According to ukro insider channels, Ukraine is using grain storage to store their weapons. Of course, all of them have officially been designated as grain storage.
The more recent news is that Ukraine is storing western weapons in Khmelnitsky and Rivne nuclear power plant areas. And obviously Nato approves that.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2023 19:07 utc | 515

@sln2002/242
“That nomination is not unlike putting the LSE on a pedestal around which tory pederasty flows.”
where do you see any nomination?
I have no influence on your over-interpretations.
the author is not a person who has access to mainstream media.
what does pis and the European Commission have in common with this author’s publications – to which I provided links? You may not like it ideologically – but that’s no reason to deny it. I think it’s more important to get to know a different point of view (and one that is absolutely different from the mainstream). And think about what this person might be right about. Have you read this – may I ask?
private disputes here are not helpful to anyone. And they contribute nothing. It is obvious that the participants here have different views. It is not my goal to convince anyone of anything. Like many others, he is only looking for an objective view of reality.

Posted by: nc | Sep 16 2023 19:23 utc | 517

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 17:47 utc | 250
“in Dec. 1941 I suspect the survival of GB was of foremost concern as was keeping the Soviets in the war so the Germans couldn’t focus on GB the oil rich middle east.”
Thanks. Tend to agree. I’m sure there were differing views among US and GB elites about whether Germany or the USSR was the greater evil, but there was probably general agreement that a prolonged war that weakened both would be best. And whatever role Lend Lease may have played — and it was certainly less than the western narrative suggests — they got that. Then, almost the instant the war ended, they declared that the Soviets were no longer an ally but our greatest enemy. Which tells us something about how committed they were to a Soviet victory during the war.

Posted by: Mouse | Sep 16 2023 19:26 utc | 519

Posted by: Milites | Sep 16 2023 17:43 utc | 248 “For example, the T-90 was rated as .89 v a 2nd Gen Western MBT”
Where is this from?

Posted by: Ed5 | Sep 16 2023 19:30 utc | 521

@anon2020 257
hey thx!

Posted by: AG | Sep 16 2023 19:34 utc | 523

I am confused. Dima says: “Ukrainian Elite Units Suffered CRITICAL Losses” but in the same time he says that Ukrainians are preparing their counterattack with a huge force.
Is Dima credible?

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 16 2023 19:50 utc | 525

Posted by: AG | Sep 16 2023 19:34 utc | 263
Any time.

Posted by: anon2020 | Sep 16 2023 19:57 utc | 527

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 16 2023 19:50 utc | 264
Perhaps the “huge force” isn’t composed of elite units.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 16 2023 20:00 utc | 529

He says that Ukrainians are forcing Russians to retreat behind eastern railways and preparing their next attack to Bachmut for the next year.

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 16 2023 20:04 utc | 531

Simplex @ 264

Is Dima credible?

It’s the internets, he’s as credible as you want him to be. If he was working for Deutsche Welle, BBC, or for that matter even RT would you feel better? If someone on MoA says he is or isn’t would that provide the required certitude.
I think Simplex is Zanon. Didn’t mature over the hiatus.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Sep 16 2023 20:09 utc | 533

According to ukro insider channels, Ukraine is using grain storage to store their weapons. Of course, all of them have officially been designated as grain storage. Posted by: unimperator | Sep 16 2023 19:07 utc | 259
I don’t think you need insider reports to tell you that Ukraine will store their weapons anywhere they can, and that they are most likely to store them in places where it is politically or technically difficult for Russia to destroy them.
Seems sort of obvious…

Posted by: Comacho in Chief | Sep 16 2023 20:40 utc | 535

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 17:47 utc | 250
1941 I suspect the survival of GB was of foremost concern as was keeping the Soviets in the war so the Germans couldn’t focus on GB the oil rich middle east.
Lend-Lease was enacted in March 1941. It was intended to keep Britain fighting and the war going until the US administration could inveigle America into the war
AH considered the real enemy in the battle for world domination was the USA.
AH didn’t have any plans for world domination but FDR certainly did

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 16 2023 21:41 utc | 537

LOL!!
ICYMI, Military Summary has spotted Surovikin in Algeria, but is unwilling or unable to confirm whether his appearance signifies leisure or official capacity. How intensely amusing! To me but not Francafrique fans.

Posted by: sln2002 | Sep 16 2023 21:48 utc | 539

Constantine SCCC and others. Left/right discussions are irrelevant atm. In the 21st century we have humanist vs antihumanist. People of all different spectrums make up each group. We tell them apart by deeds,not words or ideologies. One side cultivates prosperity and advancement of the whole by the lifting of the individual. The other seeks control through fear and ignorance. Left and right are part of the fear and ignorance channel.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 16 2023 23:22 utc | 541

Constantine SCCC and others. Left/right discussions are irrelevant atm. In the 21st century we have humanist vs antihumanist. People of all different spectrums make up each group. We tell them apart by deeds,not words or ideologies. One side cultivates prosperity and advancement of the whole by the lifting of the individual. The other seeks control through fear and ignorance. Left and right are part of the fear and ignorance channel.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 16 2023 23:22 utc | 273
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I disagree with you Tannenhouser. The class struggle is NOT irrelevant, and it never will be until class distinctions are resolved and disappear. Your point about “humanist vs Anti-humanist” falls short of logic when decoupled from the class struggle, unless your point is about mental illness which is truly classless.
Who is a humanist and who is an anti-humanist: The slave who struggles against slavery or the Slave Master who owns slaves for profits? If the slave kills the Slave Master in order to escape, is he/she anti-human? If the Slave Master kills the slave who is trying to escape slavery, a humanist because he is protecting his “property”?
The antagonism between the slave and the slave master represents the class struggle in its most acute form, but Fudualism and Capitalism contained the same elements of class exploitation as slavery, just less severely so in most cases.
On the other hand, socialism is the reverse. It places the situation between the exploiter class and the exploited class on its head, and the former minority exploiter class becomes the exploited class, but only from his/her perspective. That is to say, they (the former exploiters) under socialism must earn their living just like everyone else. So, under those conditions who is the humanist and who is the anti-humanist?

Posted by: Ed | Sep 17 2023 0:19 utc | 543

@ 131
You see once 95% of Ukraine’s men are gone you will be left only eith the most superior specimen. They will dedicate their lives to mate with Ukrainian women, the money will be provided by NATO, to create a much more purified, powerful master race. Where all men are as vigorous as reznikov, refined and smart-looking like zelensky and streamlined like budanov. Posted by: T6 | Sep 15 2023 18:08 utc | 41
This just has to be snark…right?
Well, yes, it is, but the reality is no laughing matter. Back in 2022 a UN study predicted Ukraine’s population would never recover from the losses it had already incurred, and the study further presupposed the war would end in a few months. The study forecast the population of Ukraine would shrink to less than half what it was at the beginning of 2022, by 2100.
https://www.intellinews.com/un-projects-ukraine-s-population-will-never-recover-from-war-254300/
Predictions made to that far out are typically about as accurate as flipping a coin. However, how many more young men, potential fathers, has Ukraine lost since then, August 24th, 2022? Ukraine could be repopulated with immigrants – but they wouldn’t be Ukrainians, and the ethnicity is actually in peril of dying out. The ‘meat assaults’ using barely trained men press-ganged off the streets or out of universities have a cost that will not manifest itself until long after the war has ended.

Posted by: Mark | Sep 17 2023 0:34 utc | 545

“seriously, you think american civil war was about slavery? lol, you made my day”
Posted by: publicdisorder | Sep 16 2023 9:07 utc | 171
Great! Glad it was so easy to make your day.
All anyone has to do to see that the cause of secession and the resultant Civil War was indeed conflict over slavery is to find and read the various proclamations of secession by the Confederate States. And no, I’m not going to do the research for y’all.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 17 2023 2:50 utc | 547

“DuckDuckGo still comes up with this sight first with a search for “moonofalabama.”
Posted by: Michael Weddington | Sep 16 2023 18:26 utc | 256
That’s what I use also. I think we probably need to stop trying to hide ourselves so much. No matter what tech solution or novel method you use, just realise that the internet was created by a US goverment/military agency called DARPA. None of the retail work-arounds with various techy things are going to hide you from them, they control it. The more open we are, the harder it will be to get away with the persecution of dissenters.
Jail us all who dissent and then the “FEMA camps” thing goes from being a “crazy conspiracy theory” to being a conspiracy fact, like so many others have done. That said, it is best to keep at least nominal anonymity on blog postings and comments.

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 17 2023 3:30 utc | 549

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 17 2023 2:50 utc | 276
100%. The first campaign of the Civil War was in Kansas, the fight over allowing slavery in the new territories was the real catalyst. That and the possibility slaves might be emmancipated and what that looks like in lost $.
The failure of Reconstruction has led to many of the US current problems.

Posted by: Miller J | Sep 17 2023 3:35 utc | 551

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 16 2023 17:47 utc | 250
Same for kids growing up in the USA. Russia’s horrific sacrifice and stupendous victory in WW2 was essentially erased from the textbooks and the popular culture. Blame it on the Cold War, I guess. But tragically the demonization of Russia charade continues. The MIC and their political hacks always need a boogeyman. Appreciate your comments in 211, BTW.

Posted by: UBAH | Sep 17 2023 4:58 utc | 553

Ok I misspoke when I said I wouldn’t do “any” research for y’all. Here is a simple starting point of research for you people who don’t think the US Civil War was primarily about slavery. Ots obvious though that anyone who says the Civil War was not primarily fought over slavery is a troll.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 17 2023 5:42 utc | 555

Not for me, the site itself doesn’t appear in results on gugl. I’m in the “garden”, Ursula and Borel must be constipated
Posted by: rk | Sep 16 2023 17:56 utc | 253
Indeed. Normally I don’t have an opportunity to see it since the browser remembers the url and completes after a few letters. If you type ‘moon of alabama’ the first result in the US is a site calling this blog a propaganda. The url doesn’t come up in the first 30 results.

Posted by: RB | Sep 17 2023 5:49 utc | 557

To Norwegian who said :
“The old left/right terminology just serves as a “squirrel” to prevent real solutions.”
A real leftist would retort to you that The fact you dismiss the right/left terminology as irrelevant for now only proves that you are a rightist.
That said, I understand your point.

Posted by: jean levant | Sep 17 2023 5:51 utc | 559

The State Department of the Confederate States of America was lead by Judah Benjamin. When the Confederacy lost the war, that guy simply escaped to England which was then under Prime Minister…..and he never suffered any repercussions whatsover for being a huge political figure of the Confederacy. Judah Benjamin was the first Jew to hold a Cabinet position in North America, and the first to be elected to the United States Senate who had not renounced his faith. Confederate Secretey of State.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin

Posted by: Wisco | Sep 17 2023 6:10 utc | 561

“DuckDuckGo still comes up with this sight first with a search for “moonofalabama.”
Posted by: Michael Weddington | Sep 16 2023 18:26 utc | 256
Don’t forget duck was proudly announcing censorship on Russian sites since the beginning of the smo. duck basically admitted this way that it was a simple cia honeypot like Tor or Proton mail

Posted by: rk | Sep 17 2023 8:06 utc | 563

“…At least the “Anglo-American elites and their vassals” are not starving their own citizens….”
Observer@134
Ah interesting claim 134. Not sure how factual but commercial supermarkets are closing in some US cities (apparently because of crime/shoplifting) and Chicago City for example has had to open a replacement supermarket. If I read this here excuse the repetition.

Posted by: Inki | Sep 17 2023 8:06 utc | 565

Indeed. Normally I don’t have an opportunity to see it since the browser remembers the url and completes after a few letters. If you type ‘moon of alabama’ the first result in the US is a site calling this blog a propaganda. The url doesn’t come up in the first 30 results.
Posted by: RB | Sep 17 2023 5:49 utc | 281

I get mronline.org #1, which is a related site to this one. That is behind this one in articles, so it is odd that it shows up first and not this site I get the Wikipedia entry for a song of that name #2. And #3 is the Twitter account that corresponds to this site. The MOA Twitter account also shows up again at #13. The WhoWhatWhy.org review is #29. This actual site doesn’t show up before that (but the URL is on the Twitter account). But a big problem appears to be that there are songs and books that refer to the Moon of Alabama or Alabama Moon. Searching for “Moon of Alabama Ukraine” this site is the #1 result.

Posted by: Simon | Sep 17 2023 8:13 utc | 567

NATO Military Committee head Admiral Rob Bauer:
💬 The amount of weapons and ammunition Ukraine needs is huge. This is another thing we see in warfare. I would say it’s not new in and of itself, but the scale and volume of what’s being used is beyond our production capabilities. Right now we’re giving away weapons and ordering new ones at the same time. And it’s not balanced. So we’re calling on industry and governments to have a more intense debate to address this.
InfoDefenseENGLISH

At the same time…

A top NATO military official warned on Saturday that a drastic rise in ammunition prices means that allies’ higher defence spending does not automatically translate into greater security and called for a new approach to defence cooperation.
“Prices for equipment and ammunition are shooting up. Right now, we are paying more and more for exactly the same,” Dutch Admiral Rob Bauer, the chair of NATO’s military committee, said on Saturday after a meeting of the alliance’s chiefs of defence in Oslo.
“That means that we cannot make sure that the increased defence spending actually leads to more security.”
He pushed for a new approach to public-private cooperation in the defence sector to ramp up production capacity.
“Long term stability needs to prevail over short term profits. As we have seen in Ukraine, war is a whole of society event. Therefore, the prevention of war through resilience and deterrence should also be a whole of society event.”
NATO has been pressing for a boost in defence production to satisfy a demand for weapons and equipment that has soared since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, as allies not only rush supplies to Kyiv but also build up their own inventories.
“>https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2023/09/16/rising-ammunition-prices-set-back-nato-efforts-to-boost-security-official

Looks like Build Back Better and Great Reset is incompatible with arms production and industry in general, lol.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 8:20 utc | 569

The easiest way to access Moon of Alabama, is via Yandex browser!

Posted by: Grishka | Sep 17 2023 8:27 utc | 571

@unimperator | Sep 17 2023 8:20 utc | 287
That retard also said that nato has 3.5m soldiers ready to fight if they add Fin+Swe. It’s pure comedy.

Posted by: rk | Sep 17 2023 8:32 utc | 573

North Korea will supply the Russian army with KN-09 multiple-launch missile systems capable of firing 300 mm caliber at a distance of 220 km.
Head – 190 kg.
Inertial guidance
Satellite navigation for accuracy.
North Korea has decided to start supplying Russia with its latest KN-09 multiple launch missile systems, a system similar to HIMARS.
The US recently warned S. Korea that supplying arms to Russia will have serious consequences
“>https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1703320171463545130

North Korea has same right to test their weapons in real combat like USA does.

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 8:52 utc | 575

The North went to war against the secessionist South to free niggers..
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/lincoln5/1:848?hi=0;rgn=div1;singlegenre=All;size=25;sort=occur;start=1;subview=detail;type=simple;view=fulltext;q1=i+would+save+the+union
Hon. Horace Greely: Executive Mansion,
Dear Sir Washington, August 22, 1862.
I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.
As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing” as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.
I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” [2] If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free. Yours,
A. LINCOLN
(I have read some “contextualising” of this letter)

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 17 2023 9:10 utc | 577

Military Summary and Weeb Union reports:
-AFU evacuated almost entire right bank of Dnepr
-RU bombards AFU stuff on right bank
-RU has control dominance of FPV drones in Verbove-Robotyne salient
-Dima showed the LostArmour graphic of drone strikes, in the first half of September it was over 300, which is extrapolated to break the monthly record of August so far
-AFU has entered the first trench SWS of Verbove and trying to expand by advancing in the trench east and south (it was the corner junction)
-Still no sign of AFVs in Verbove direction
-Andryivka is still in gray zone, RU position moved on or beyond the rail line

Posted by: unimperator | Sep 17 2023 9:23 utc | 579

by: AG | Sep 16 2023 13:11 utc | 209
Yes, thanks for this overview.
There is at least a ton of papers and documents on “what would happen, if…”
But, reality is always different from the scientific fictions and military predictions.
In early 80s the prevailing major plan promoted within NATO was basically – nuke Fulda and Kassel and get out of Europe quick, if Soviets start rapidly advancing over the wide front in a conventional warfare way.
As of computer mistake in nukes, I seriously doubt that it’ll be a trigger to a deterrent.
I also think that everyone misunderstands what a “second strike” is and that is not in RF’s doctrine.
Today is not about 1945 Hiro/Nagasaki burn and blast style, but more damage is derived from EMP blast.
Say RF fires missile over EU and blasts 60-80 km above its center – EMP might and probably will fry everything digital (memory, CPU, hardrives etc.) in a pretty wide radius, while also overhead satellites go ‘bzzzt’.
That is enough to put EU back into the Middle Ages. No need for millions of dead, burned, irradiated etc.
And that is just one of the options where total destruction, as advertised in MAD, is further and further away. I see pushing for usage of nukes just as a uneducated mass panic and mil disinfo on behalf of those who have no other imagination options.
But sure it helps to take an hour and a half to get some interesting perspective watching really ingenious docu from 1982 “The Atomic Cafe”

Posted by: whirlX | Sep 17 2023 9:48 utc | 581

Posted by: Ново З | Sep 17 2023 9:10 utc | 291
well as long as it destroyed the worthless “planter class” of southern capitalists that’s a partial good right? and all the poor white suckers who fought for them died for nothing.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Sep 17 2023 10:12 utc | 583

“AH didn’t have any plans for world domination but FDR certainly did”
Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Sep 16 2023 21:41 utc | 270
I don’t pretend to know AH’s true ambitions however he predicted a struggle for world domination between the German “continental” power and the US sea based empire as enevitable in Mein Kampf.
Funny thing is he saw this 80 years before Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote “The Grand Chessboard”
He also expressed his admiration for the USA and justified the conquering of der Lebensraum in the east by the USA’s expansion to the Pacific at the expense of Native American lives … that part of Mien Kampf doesn’t get quoted much in the west these days though.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Sep 17 2023 11:14 utc | 585

Whoa are the people that can censor this website?
How do they do that technically?
How can they access google databases?
Why is that not declared anywhere?

Posted by: Simplex | Sep 17 2023 11:54 utc | 587

Until we see videos of NK weapons being used I don’t believe it. All sources for these news are from natostan and they are the ones moving more weapons in SK, Taiwan, Japan and they hope to do it in Vietnam soon. It’s their interest to create stories. The facts are different “No agreements were signed on this issue or on other issues and there were no such plans,” Peskov tass.com/politics/1675603

Posted by: rk | Sep 17 2023 14:19 utc | 589

Posted by: Mouse | Sep 16 2023 16:08 utc | 233
There is no point to refute the ravings of a lunatic who has been terminally brain damaged by Cold War propaganda. Feel free to ask him if there are any Bolsheviks in his room right now.
For those who are genuinely interested in the subject, the explanation is fairly obvious: if the Soviets collapsed, the might of the German armed forces would be directed against the Western Allies in the Mediterranean and the Middle East, while any effort to liberate western Europe would be hopeless. If people like Truman had their way, however, by late 1943 the Lend Lease would be directed towards the Germans.

Posted by: Constantine | Sep 17 2023 14:19 utc | 591

@Ed274. Left right is used to divide what we know as classes. I consider myself from the humanist class. I am in opposition to anything not in humanities best interest. As I said before we humanist come from all spectrums of your class society. A humanist force will act in the interests of all the classes not the narrow interest of one. It has been said here on many occasion. Socialism or barbarism. I hope using language you are comfortable with clarifies my position.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 17 2023 15:58 utc | 593

ED @ 274. Left right is used to divide what we know as classes. I consider myself from the humanist class. I am in opposition to anything not in humanities best interest. As I said before we humanists come from all spectrums of your class society. A humanist force will act in the interests of all the classes not the narrow interest of one. It has been said here on many occasion. Socialism or barbarism. I hope using language you are comfortable with clarifies my position.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 17 2023 15:58 utc | 299
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“A humanist force will act in the interests of all the classes not the narrow interest of one.”
So, you (being a “humanists”) would have no qualms with assisting a Slave Master beat his unruly slave to death. Perhaps you could give the poor Slave Master a rest while you take charge of the whip for a while: that would be mighty human of you.
Really Tannenhouser, you don’t know shit about humanity or humanism. Opposing slavery and other forms of class exploitation is NOT in “the narrow interest of one [class]”: It is in the interest of the overwhelming majority of human beings on planet earth who are exploited by a small ruling class, a fraction of the world’s population.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 17 2023 20:20 utc | 595

“seriously, you think american civil war was about slavery? lol, you made my day”
Posted by: publicdisorder | Sep 16 2023 9:07 utc | 171
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Great! Glad it was so easy to make your day.
All anyone has to do to see that the cause of secession and the resultant Civil War was indeed conflict over slavery is to find and read the various proclamations of secession by the Confederate States. And no, I’m not going to do the research for y’all.
Posted by: Wisco | Sep 17 2023 2:50 utc | 276
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Wisco, you are 100% correct and publicdisorder is a scum bag liar who knows you are right if he were to be honest. People
like publicdisorder hides behind slogans like “States Rights” or the right to “private property ownership.” But States Right to allow the ownership other human beings, and profit from their labor. It is all so very fucking obvious that any moron would understand it. So, what does this say about publicdisorder (and people like him): they are either morons or they are liars.

Posted by: Ed | Sep 17 2023 20:36 utc | 597

@the sock 300. Do u always lash out at strangers put words in their mouth and assign their values as u see fit? No where in anything i wrote would a rational person find anythin resempling the anti human werd salad bs u vomited here. Whats the weather like in clowntown? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Sep 17 2023 21:39 utc | 599